How to Install Front Sway Bar with Michael Flare
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- This is a tutorial on how to install a front sway bar in your vehicle. The vehicle used in the video was originally a 1996 Honda Civic CX, Sway bars are one of the most effect suspension components for better handling performance. Most sway bars and installed in a similar way. The bar used in the video is a ST [Suspension Techniques] 24mm front sway bar for a 1996 - 2000 Honda Civic LX/HX/EX.
Hella helpful even after 7 years ! I think I will be going with the set up. Thanks for clearing up my sway bar confusions. I have a DX hatch that is 75% Type R converted. I definitely need EX LCAs.
God bless this man soul...came in clutch the the video. I really need sway and help me understand more on what i need to do.
Do you have the link from where you bought the sway bar kit from?
Just did this upgrade finally! I went with the 26mm Type R and boy do I feel a difference. Thanks much mike
What is your rear sway bar size though? 26mm front is so thick, you'll probably have strong understeer.
Really well! The bushings are really good so far. I'll let you know how well they really are next time I'm at the race track.
Where did you get the sway bar bracket and the black mounting bracket
Is there a kit I keep ordering energy suspension bushing and bracket and they don't even come close to mounting up to the factory holes in my 1998 civic
Thanks, I tap it over man it was a pain in the ass but I got it done .The time pay off am really loving the way she ride now..
love the music selection in this video !
Ugh I'm glad I watched this. I guess I'm not installing a front bar on my integra. My dam exhaust manifold can't be split or come off my head with out machin work. 2 studs are froze in the head and the bolts holding the upper manifold and lower last time I installed them were forced in and I'm lucky they didn't snap. There's no installing a header unless I pull the head and machine those stupid exhaust studds out.
One thing I did different was re installed the wheels before tightening up the bolts on the sway bar and drove it onto ramps. I was able to reach all the bolts with the wheels on. And the suspension was loaded.
That's a very great way to do it too. It loads it exactly the same for both methods. Yours method is probably slightly better but it's unnoticeable though.
Backround music from One Voice 😄
That's ff8 eyes on me. Dude your cool with me
Lol one voice - always on my mind on background song
Super helpful video!!!
great video, but you forgot to mention anything about the torque specs.. what was the torque spec you put to the sway bar end links.. to those dual bushings on each end of the sway bar links.. .. what was the torque you did? thanks dude.
D-bracket = 16 ft/lbs.
End links = 22 ft/lbs.
Oooooh that wsna be a baller go I haven't heard that song in a min
i love all your videos!
Function 7 is the best aftermarket Subframe Brace and lower control arms in my opinion for Hondas which is made out of Aluminum 7075. I don't know if you need that strength for what you're your purpose is.
good job man 👍👍
Can I do it without a Michael Flare?
Alright sounds good! ive been in a life long debate whether or not to get the asr or bwr subframe brace ahhaha
ASR is strong because it's Aluminum 7075 instead of Aluminum 6061 T6. I don't know if you need that strength or not.
Is this the same as for a 01 civic lx coupe?
Why do millenials get distracted over nonsense this young man is teaching us gold most of us know how expensive mechanics are here we are all the comments about a stupid song ..
I don't think the 7th generation 2001 Civiic pats will fit.
Dude u make me wanna buy itr sub bar for my rs dc4
Good job man , I bought ek 1997 and I wonder why they didn't come with sway bar, also my with one piece lower arm.
Eyes on me song at 7:40 O.o
Great content. Hopefully stupid copyrights won’t ruin it. As much one voice brought be back lol
what on earth possessed you to play music during a how to video?
C'mon listen to it so sick lol
horralltiki don’t hate on his music 😂😂😂
I love your videos bro. Thanks for being on RUclips. I learned a lot for my own project build. God bless u brother. Please type in my name on the search and tell me what u think. I must thank u again Mike.
There about 7 songs being played in the background of this video. Which song are you talking about?
I believe em1 and ctr are 26mm in the front sway bar
It is.
I believe EF's come with front sway bars and only the Si's came with rear
So you have a 24 in the front and 22 in the rear? Doesn't that still over steer a little or is it pretty neutral? What spring rate are your coils? Sorry for the million questions.
Manuel Hernandez The bigger the bar in the area, the more that area will slide out more so a 22mm rear sway bar will not swing the tail out as much as a 24mm rear sway bar. You want to find the ratio you like the most, and it really depends on the car's suspension setup and chassis. I like 24mm front and 22mm rear. If I did a 26mm front and kept a 22mm rear, the car will have more UNDERSTEER because the front will want to slide out more on a turn. If I kept a 24mm front and did a 26mm rear, the car will have more oversteer. I'm not exactly sure about my spring rate numbers but my setup is Skunk2 springs with KYB AGX struts.
Looking for a youtube video on How to install a Sway Bar in a VT Commodore... any help is appreciated...
Thanks, Managed to work it out eventually. Never again!!
Hey Michael, I was just wondering if I have to remove the front knuckles in order to access the front lower LCA? Or can I just remove the front lower LCAs without removing the whole knuckle?
Timmy Dang You do NOT need to remove the knuckle.
Sup Mike, Thanks for the video. I have a question since I ran into a problem. I did a 5 lug conversion on my 98 integra. Bought type r rear sway bar which didn't line up correctly with rear subframe which I already bought the correct rear sway bar. Anyways for my front lower sway bar. Should I bought for Type R or base model? When I did the 5 lug conversion I remember for the front, I recieved the 5 lug disc brake conversion with upper control arms. I've read the lower front control arms are the same besides bushings. Well i'm learning and struggling along the way. Do I need to buy aftermarket endlinks too? I've been working towards an itr clone, pretty close to being all stock besides the rear lcas and f..7 brace. Thanks man if you can help advice me on the compatibility.
You're Integra's rear lower subframe will not have holes to fit a large sway bar like the Type R, those holes were originally made to fit smaller sway bars like anything less than 18mm or something. That why you need a subframe brace like me because the braces usually have more holes. You can get OEM or aftermarket for the front lower control arms, it doesn't matter.
Thanks dude. Yeah I have an after market rear subframe and the spare rear sway bar. I could only find the front lower sway bar (only) without hardware and through ebay it's pretty tricky with products showing different compatibility. I'll probably buy end links by hard race.
I wanna be a bollaaaaa shot caller!
I just ordered a front Eibach anti-sway bar for my 92' Civic without even knowing if it will be a direct bolt on.
Did your car already have a front sway bar? If not, then it's not gonna be a bolt on and requires brackets and adapters or different front lower control arms that is sway bar compatible.
Ugh, you are right and thanks. No, my EG never came with either anti sway bars front/rear. It took awhile to eventually get the rear Eibach bar installed and now the challenge is the front. Looks like I'm gonna need to order and Si or EX model front control lower arm, which has the mount holes.
Hey Michael what would happen if I put a 22mm in the front and a 22mm sway bar in the rear ....what type of steering would I have over or under steering 1992 Honda Civic h/b
+ebony973 22mm in both the front and rear is exactly what I have as my setup right now. Ideally, this will have a little bit more oversteer compared to a factory EK9 because a factory EK9 has 26mm front and 22mm rear.
Nice what alarm do u have ? Ant special features it has other than remote start?
Michael having a problem I'm installing my 26 mm front sway bar on my dx everything on Q .. then I notice me brackets hold threads are rusted out I clean them out but the bolts not holding my question is .Can I tap the holes to fit a little lager bolt?
***** Maybe the new bolts that came with your sway bar is not the right size to fit the car's hole. Tapping and making a new thread for the sway bar is very difficult because it's takes a lot of power and effort to make the new threads. I think auto stores have kits available that will help you make larger bolt holes but like I said, it's going to be very difficult.
My HX does have an OEM sway bar
Why do you need to put an adapter plate,can i use just original bushings instead?
That part of the subframe on the car is not a flat surface. The adapter has a shape that fits the uneven surface.
Hey i have a 05 civic and i didnt run the shiter cable underneath the "U" and i think it snapped because it was rubbing against it after my install do you think thats possible
+jessie goraya It could be the case but I'm not sure.
hey just wondering how the swaybars feel? make a good difference?
You have to find the right balance you want for your car. The bigger the bar, the more that end will swing out. Sway bars is one of the most effective suspension components for racing; it makes strut bars seem like Jell-O. I have a large Civic Type R rear sway bar so this bar was just the right size. My car's handling is superb! It kept my car's body roll very minimal and the turning was very strong, quick, and stiff making it very responsive. There are times when I was oversteering because of the balance of the bars (I blame the CTR rear bar. LOL). Overall I love it. It understeers and oversteers on a few corners.
My first Autocross Race
So I can get 92-95 civic ex lca n sway bar to bolt up to my 97 ek hatch ?
I think the EG LCA will not work with the EK chassis. You can get a 96-00 Civic LX/EX/Si front LCA and sway bar.
Then y dodnt you use them in the video so people know what to use
I'm trying to get the rear sway bar for my four-door EK can Honda Civic SI fit for it
what about Function7 lca's and sub brace what do you think about them?
Why did you choose an ex control arm over an si??
Juan Rodríguez The Si arm uses a side mounted sway bar end link. The ST Suspension sway bar I have uses a top mounted sway bar endlink and the EX also uses a top mounted endlink. Not only that but the strut fork is also different for the Si and the EX. The Si is the only model with a slightly different shaped strut fork than all the other models (CX/DX/LX/EX). I would have to change my strut fork also if I got the Si arm and still won’t be able to install the new ST Suspension sway bar.
25mm for front sway bar and 25.4 for rear sway bar? How would the balance be?
Or 25mm for the front and 22 for the rear? How would the balance be
You will have a very hard time trying to get the car to turn quickly around back to back turns. The thicker the front bar compared to the rear, the more understeer you will have and vise versa.
@@MichaelFlare so would 25mm in the front be better with the 22mm in the rear?
@@Southsaccccc - I’m confused. Are you only choosing one sway bar?
@@MichaelFlare no I’m asking is it good if I run 25mm for the front sway bar n run 22mm for the rear sway bar. Would it handle good.
My rpm gage jumps when I turn on the headlights do you know what it is
In these type of old cars, the electrical system is very traditional. There's no components that stabilize the poewr currents throughout the car. For example: When a subwoofer beat hits, the headlight would usually dim in old cars. I have never heard of an RPM rising after a headlight is turned on but I know it's the same concept as I stated above. Perhaps you should google and see if others have solved the problem. I'm sorry that I can't help you a lot. Good luck.
Michael Flare thanks for sharing did you sell your old stick shifter
No. I put it up for sale on Craigslist but it's not sold yet.
Will u give me the site where u bought this sway set up?
You can search the web and find websites that sell them. You can buy the one I got on eBay or the ST Suspension website itself.
Cant find the stsuspension adapters anywhere. Have any idea?
Or do the adapters only come in the kit with the sway bar
I think you got the kit for cars that come with sway bars already. That's why they didn't give you an adapter. That's exactly what I got too so I had to go to the junkyard to get a lower control arm that has the stock sway bar mounting holes.
@@MichaelFlare the junkyards n my area dont usually have much. Any idea where i can just buy adapters?
Can this same set up work on a eg hatch the same way
Yes, same procedure of installing except different parts because EG has a different fitment than EK.
hows the bwr subframe brace holding up?
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How u torque it down with out a torque wrench
riki Ramirez I have a mechanical and an electrical torque wrenches that I can use any time to check the torque.
i really need help, can a jdm ek9 front sway bar hook up to sir lca's im having trouble
I don't know everything about the SiR but I know they are simliar to EM1 in the USA. Every Civic in this generation in USA have top mounted sway bar mounts on the front lower control arms except for the 1999 - 2000 Civic Si [EM1]. The EM1 uses the simliar layout as the EK9 for the front sway bar because they are both side mounted sway bar mounts on the front lower controls arms rather than bottom mounted, and they also have a wider strut fork to fit these control arms too. Again, I don't know everything about the SiR but if you tell me whether your SiR's front sway bar is top mounted or side mounted on the front lower control arms, then I can tell you a more definite answer.
thanks for the quick response, i got it mounted to the sub frame but the 3 style of endlinks arent working, is there a way i can send u a pick? e mail?
Of course the sway bar is mounted to the subframe in the middle. I'm asking about the mounting style on the lower control arms itself where the ends of the sway bars connect to. Is the sway bar supposed to be top mounted or side mounted onto the control arms? Look at it and tell me which one.
Michael Flare side
I taking your word that the control arms have side mounted areas for the sway bar. The EK9 sway bar is also side mounted meaning it will fit with the control arms. The only thing I can think about your issue is that you have wrong endlinks. There are two types of endlinks (top/bottom or side mounted). Any Civic model lower the SiR/EM1 will have top mounted stuff. You have the wrong endlinks. Get side mounted endlinks.
lol dat one voice!
you need to mute the music in the background i can't understand what you're saying.
i have a 96 civic cx also and was going to install st front sway bars also after passwordJDM sends me my TYPE R rear sway bar AHHH... anyways does it matter what year front lca i get ? or as long as its a 96-00 lx ex dx front lca i would be fine ?
+Alley Phonthalangsy As long as the year is in the 1996 to 2000 range, then you're good to attach it to an EK chassis.
+Michael Flare hey Michael nice biuld... do i have to get the hole control arm or just the rear portion with the hole for the sway bar link?
Judging by your name, I assume you have an EP3. I don't know much about EP3s but just go under the car and check the front LCA and see if there's holes in the middle of them where a sway bar would be mounted. In USA, no Civic hatchbacks in my car's year had them so I had to get it from a junkyard off of a sedan Civic from same year.
+Michael Flare no sorry im actually asking because i just got a 98 EJ6 and want to add a sway bar from another civic that came stock with one
Is yours a hatchback? If it yes, then your car doesn't have the holes on the front LCA then. Just go under the car and check the holes on the LCAs.
Is you're car a Cx or DX?
You can tell by looking at the trunk because it doesn't have the rear windshield wiper that this is a CX. Which is absolutely grateful because the Civic Type R's doing have the rear wipers either! I would have had to get a new trunk or have it removed, molded, and repainted.
lower the music
And when my project is completed I want your email address I can show you
This tutorial would be immensely better without the annoying music. Really bad voice mic technique just using camera mic, requires a quiet background to better hear what you saying. It can work OK if you keep other sounds very low or absent. Good information to learn, but please, do it over without the annoying music.
You should lower the hell out of the car bro
Why is the music so loud lol
Turn off the music. 😒