THIS Is The Secret Behind Why The 2022 Jeep Grand Wagoneer Can Tow A Massive 10,000 Pounds!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
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Imagine a 2500 version of the wagoneer with a cummins/aisin combo.
That would be sick
It fits the attitude of the Excursion for sure. Just with better towing
That would be crazy considering you can’t even get a Ram 2500 with the Aisin transmission.
Even better Cummins and 9 speed Allison combo
@@gbaby4rb64 I thought the new 10 Spd trans in the GM Hd trucks arent really Allison made and its a version of 10R thats used in the Ford SDs. Didnt think there was a 9spd Allison at all.
Andre is just such cool dude, I love it.
Bostondan; I met him at their offices and he was as nice in person as he seems.
I agree, Andre is awesome!
Remember in the beginning when he only spoke Russian and got little exposure? Who would have thought he would become a favorite.
Ask Jim when the heck is the ram 1500 392 coming!!! It needs to be done.
This is great, but I’m waiting until 2023 for the “extra length” version that competes with Suburban and Expedition Max
The Jeep compares more to the Cadillac Escalade and Lincoln Navigator now
I mean that is what Fiat Chrysler is benchmarking
I think Ram brand should have the vehicle that competes with the suburban … Ram deserves a suv
@@benjaminlibertarianscorpio Yep! 100% agreed. Im just more excited for the big boy Wagoneer with extended wheelbase that will compete with the Cadillac Escalade ESV and Lincoln Navigator L for cargo space.
I agree on the waiting for LWB and the eco diesel for me. Looking fwd to it!
My dad bought a ‘72 Wagoneer through a military program when we moved from Italy to an AF base in eastern Washington state. I was one at the time of the move but we had the vehicle for a few years and I can still remember driving through the property we owned off base doing vermin control. We leased property out to some rancher that grazed cows out there. My mom especially missed that “car” when we got transferred to CA and my dad didn’t think we still needed it. It made such an imprint on me, have always wanted a white Wagoneer.
Great looking American made Luxury! Thank you TFL and Wagoneer
It’s time for Andre to launch his own channel. He has risen to the top of the car reviewer game.
If the curb weight is 6420 lbs and the GVWR is 7780 lbs, if you are at the maximum payload of 1360 lb.
If you are at the maximum payload of 1360 lbs , will the Grand Wagoneer still be able to tow the maximum 9860 lbs?
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, If a woodchuck could chuck wood?
@@johnadkins3466 isn’t the regular wagoner the one that tows10k?
They all with the TFL I guess.
Dude I love my phone because I can enjoy watching TFL 😝
Excellent interview, mine is on order, can’t wait!
My 2005 Armada tows 10,000 lbs, for 300K+ trouble free miles. Great vehicle.
Love my armada I have yet to see a check engine light
Love the sound of that big 8 cylinder
i really wish that rear window went down.. that would make it a real winner and something not being offered in its class
Only full size that offers it is the sequoia but its not in the same league as this because its not a luxury suv so its really not comparable.
Beautiful vehicle. Now I just need to win the lotto to afford one
Excellent work Andre!
Well done, excellent presentation
Loved the first impression! Would love to have one…so many choices! The 392 Rubicon or this….Jeep you’re killing me.
Great work👍
Jim Harrison seems like a great guy make the Jeep brand at it's highest level. Great demonstration and very satisfied with the vehicle. I can't wait to buy one of those..
Great video again!
Andre really loves towing 🤣
I wish they would of had the Rear window roll down. Why aren’t more manufacturers doing that anymore.
Ask you momma
great review
what's the lifespan of the air spring set up? in salted and chemical winter areas?
The vibration canceler is to save them from having a heavy flywheel and for cylinder deactivation, and a cheap way to deal with bad NVH. It does not work for off road terrain. By the time you roll over a rock, it will be too late to vibrate it away. 9:00
When will the series 1 be available to build and price on the website, currently the entry level 2wd is $68k in Series II form...
This was awesome!
Needs Dual Fuel Tanks , Couple Gussets for that Hitch , Rear Facing side mirror mounted Cameras for Towing , and the Center Cooler for the second row seats .
What’s the tank behind the rear tire on driver side
I love the sound of it
Just tell me how good the sustained downhill transmission braking is when towing, along with payload and wheelbase. Tow rating doesn't matter if other elements don't support it.
They conveniently leave that part out when the Jeep rep is in the car lol
Excellent... will look at as alternative when upgrading my expedition
I’d want one because it’s one of like 2 suvs that can maybe go tow the trailers I use with my Ram2500… and maybe sometimes I wanna have that extra interior space for a road trip versus the pick up… or if the Ram has to pull another trailer around and we take both vehicles somewhere. Like a big boat and a big toy hauler… can’t leave either behind sometimes for the weekend
Hey, can you guys take the Maverick Hybrid up the Ike Gauntlet loaded. I’m currently looking at the Maverick and I’m concerned if I take it camping it won’t be able to handle all everything. And if you get the 2.0 could you compare the two going up the gauntlet. Thank you
When you first showed the frame and driveline display model, it did not make sense at first while I was looking at the depth of the frame rails and the elaborate and expensive rear suspension. Then it made sense. This chassis was designed to incorporate a skate board configuration of dual motor and under floor battery pack. And a good size one at that. It will be a $140k+ Jeep, but it’s designed to migrate to battery electric down the road.
I have seen some 2022 Wagoners on the roads and in driveways and they are very good looking out in the real world. They have a very sharp, elegant and vibrant paint and overall finish on them. They have an expensive classy look to them.
Anyone notice the exhaust? No giant mid muffler. The catalytic converters are also resonators, and there are 2 small resonators/mufflers at the back. Wonder what it would sound like minus just rear resonators/mufflers.
Number one name in utility sports
Unexplained fires are a matter for courts!
Canyonero!!!!
thanks
The air tanks should have been mounted in the rear of this vehicle, in the dead space between the hitch and cross member imo.
Let's see the macho Ramcharger version, hopefully with much better styling!
He mentions the dual canister air suspension allows the vehicle to go up and down level instead of front and back sequentially like some older vehicles. Anyone know if this is only on the Grand? Our Wagoneer SIII raises and lowers sequentially. (Rocking)
What a nice guy Jim is. The thanks and recognition of TFL by Jim at the end is very interesting. I can see some good deals coming TFL's way when purchasing vehicles. Maybe even upgrade Tommy's running gear on the 2 door. The Wagoneer is for the Elite though isn't it. A special vehicle too.
Soccer moms and mall crawler crowds should be happy they finally have a V8, 4 door, 4 wheel drive mini-van.
Man this thing is nice
For $100,000 I would be disappointed if it didn't tow 10,000 pounds.
In the real world you will never be able to. Unless you are the only occupant and you have a perfect 1000lbs of tongue weight. Any more and you will be over the GVW. It truly is no different than any other 1500 series truck. You always exceed GVW before hitting max towing.
Now don't get me wrong I wouldn't hesitate to tow a flat bed with a bobcat weighing that much. But I would never tow a 10,000lb house trailer that big with this or any other 1500 series.
@@geoffmooregm they come with the 6.4
They should use the Power Wagon frame and axle setup, under the Ram banner, shorten the length and bring back the RAM Charger SUV. Solid axle front and rear with lockers and winch. And market it to the off road crowd and try to keep prices somewhat reasonable.
yes look at the org Cherokee was based off the sj 1974-83 basic 2/4 dr rubber floor mats vinyl seats independent rear suspension sucks ' oh we want a comfy ride leg room for the 3rd row seat' who goes off roading 7-9 people in a 3row suv off roading
Will less farkles, and no carpet.
I was on I-75 heading north from Detroit and there was a Grand Wagoneer in the slow lane and went to make a lane change to the left lane (2 of 4 lanes) and a car in lane 3 was merging into lane 2 the the GW somehow seen that and swerved back into it's original lane. The Wagoneer had his turn signal on and the other car did not but the Wagoneer somehow detected that and the driver was either alerted or the vehicle switched back into it's lane. I don't have these features in my car but thought that was pretty cool. It happened in a split second and I would have been side swiped in my car if that occurred with me. I wasn't a big fan of all this technology at first but after seeing that I think the vehicle saw that and assisted the driver.. I know other vehicles have this but was just something I witnessed and was impressed with. I actually thought I was about to witness the first Grand Wagoneer accident while watching but the car had to have assisted. Pretty cool Tech!
Best interiors in any vehicle's
Any vehicle? Rolls Royce? Bentley? Range Rover SV? Mercedes-Maybach? I don't believe it...
Not even close
Put all of that in a Ram 2500 CC 4x4 for 2022 I’ll be on board. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍
i hope jeep returns home....it's full of history and DNA
love the wood... lets put some on the outside....( we've had 10 wagoneers over the years.
Andre acting like my kid 5:27
For me it was love at first review. The underpinning review, the design, engineering, assembly, the provenance, capabilities, descriptions, queries, information, road trip, excellent. Inside, outside, and under...impressive. Andre, your reviews, taken together, outstanding, informing, useful. You have obviously earned the views, trust and respect of maker, buyer, dreamer. Jeep, welcome to premium luxury performance. Thanks Andre, Jim, Grand Wagoneer, TFLtalk. Excellent.
I have a 2022 airstream 30’ international and would love to see how the grand wagoneer handles it. Nothing out there to COMFORTABLY carry 6 passengers and tow.
openpilot driving the Grand Wagoneer hands-free could be sweet
“The Grand Wagoneer is a great way to uh... to uh, keep up with the Jones’s.”
when do we get the "hellcat" version?
Ram Charger Bronco killer.....Cmon man!!!!!!
I've bought a Series III (be delivered in May or June 2022. They informed me I may not have the 10,000 . Man ! I'm surprised !!!! Hey I want to 10,000 lbs towing no less guys at Jeep !!!! FranK (from Québec City) .
They've set the bar pretty high, will be very interested to see how the hybrid version compares in performance/towing :popcorn:
Kind of odd they don’t have the E-torque system on it already, but maybe there’s good reason for that, being as it’s not overly effective
@@tylerwalk7699 The 5.7 wagoneer does have the E-torque. This 392 engine is stolen directly from the scat packs and SRT's which are not set up for E-torque which is why the grand wagoneer doesn't have it. Also the fact that it would be pretty much useless because this engine has more than enough power.
@@gasolinediesel972 10-4, guess I didn’t do too much research on the matter cause I’m not in the market for a while. At least til it comes back to planet earth
So this car had more powe than the Range Rover Supercharged Autobiography?
Thanks for share, good video.🙏🏻
They should have opened the moonroof for the shoot. It would have given more light…
The frame look was very smart and useful. Nice marketing.
It needs a solid rear axle made of steel with leaf springs for stability and carrying capacity
100k+ for a Jeep FIAT Grand wagoneer? It’s a gorgeous vehicle but Not worth Anywhere near that price tag! 😬
Especially with the predicted reliability based on ALL JEEP CHRYSLER STELANTIS PRODUCT HISTORY! If they had lifetime warranty on everything then maybe, but unless you just have the nostalgia bug, I just can't justify 80k-110k. I know the wagoneer starts at 50k but who really wants a base wagoneer!
I would love to hook this up to my 30 ft airstream international and put six people inside and go for a ride. Nothing out there to tow and COMFORTABLY carry 6 passengers. Can you say diesel option?
Andre, how about asking some difficult questions like, what their plan is to improve reliability and quality control? Ram, Chrysler, Jeep has a horrible quality/reliability issues.
Curious if they thought about fitting this with a solid rear axle? Looking at the chassis you can see how limited the articulation is going to be. Definitely will be great towing horse trailers on gravel roads, but seems like they're leaving a lot of off road capability back on the drawing table. With the popularity of overlanding/ offroading seems like more could have been done to design to those markets.
Do a comparison to the Cadillac Escalade
If Jeep Makes the Wagoneer longer than Suburban...im gonna be there number one fan!!! I mean come on Mr Jim Morrison!!! If the wagoneer is bigger than the regular Escalade You Have To Make in Longer than the ESV Escalade ( Go Big or Go Home)...😍😍😍
will there be a diesel option ???
So despite the Grand Wagoneer having the 6.4 L Hemi engine, when you look at the payload capacity, the Wagoneer with the 5.7 L engine supplemented by four wheel electric motors has the superior payload capacity along with similar towing ratings. The smaller engine also is reported to provide a 2 mpg improvement in gas mileage. So strictly from a towing standpoint, they have similar tow rating , but which will do a better job towing a 7500 lb trailer with a fully loaded vehicle??
Hate box frames. Mud and dirt gets stuck inside the rails rusting through inside out. I prefer a thick C section frame to prevent that to happen, even if it has many disadvantages as less stiff.
Tough to hear you from all the way back there in 1970
@@trevorj79 you still got some heavy duty trucks.
Looks like there is room for a second gas tank.
Or some batteries, when it goes hybrid.
Guest: for Texas customers it can be a gun safe too…
Andrey: uhhhh…
🤣😂
I have to admit that I wasn't impressed with the new Grand Wagoneer because I thought it was too soft for going off-road. Yep, that's different. Still curious on the payload, and would love to see those power numbers in the heavy duty trucks. Nicely done!
How many do you really think are going to go off road in this. Not many. Hard core off road, zero.
1360lbs to 1580lbs depending on options. Towing 10,000lbs in the real world will come down to a numbers game. It won't happen unless you ignore payload/GVW limits in moat real work scenarios.
Make a commercial how the safety features beat the competition and how many safety features it has
I have a 2023. Has a 3L twin turbo. It moves.
Apparently thats what the ram is going with
10,000lbs towing capacity is really great but the 1,000lbs Payload makes that 10,000lbs towing capacity pointless especially for a family of 4 wanting to pull a travel trailer.
Drives me nuts how manufacturers do that! Same with the new tundra, 12000lb towing capacity but the most payload available is 1900lb which you will be lucky to find on most tundra trims. Why is to so hard to get decent payload capacity?
Hmm, new 392 for the Ram in the near future?
471 hp and 455 lb-ft in the half ton would be incredible. Especially if they put it in the lower trim level and pair it with the Wrangler 4xE system.
Does it come with a cummins
They say "dual exhaust," but it ISN'T. They run the exhaust into a single pipe, then split it at the tail. Nothing more than looks. Defeats the purpose.
Tell Jim to put a 14" screen in that truck and bring the out the Trail wagon
Something TFL trucks needs to investigate is all these new Jeep vehicles is great but the problem I have is we purchased a new
2020 Jeep Gladiator for $56,000 and had an issue with the front axle and they can't get parts so the warranty is no good if they
can't supply parts to fix them and I am not the only Jeep owner that's having problems. Jeep needs to fix the parts issue!
Took awhile but jeep and dodge have finally caught up to the rest of society.
Let's see some luxury given to Chrysler now!! And more vehicles!
Don't like the welded hitch. Gonna have to cut it out and re-weld to replace during a minor rear end collision.
a nice 3/4 suv. finally a big jeep.
Brownie points
Jim and Andre do a FANTASTIC job of educating us on the new Grand Wagoneer - with no mention of “Toxic Masculinity” or “global warming”, etc. - like in the other TFL video. Thanks for sticking to the truck/suv review and not making this political. Now Jim - you guys nailed it with regards to the specs and interior, but is there a way you could make the Wagoneer look a little better on the outside? That said, I look forward to this thing hitting The Gauntlet soon…
Build the off road macho ramcharger!!!
Can’t wait to see the Durango on this platform
like it please offer a 2 row for us who have no need a 7-8 pass family car its just me and the dog
Lower the seat boom two row SUV
@@brentvance3958 etra wt to carry around for no reason im shopping for some thing else do like the hemi engine
It may have good bones but that doesn't mean it isn't going to be junk like a lot of FCA products. They usually have a lot of electrical gremlins. I don't see how people can afford 100K vehicles with the way the economy is going. Is it going to be built in Mexico along with the HD trucks?
I swear to god, how can we “forget” about the 7k lb trailer if the Jeep PR rep keeps mentioning it ??
The 1965 international travel all wagon is the best
Wow, and Toyota discontinued Land Cruiser in USA.
Kudos to Jeep.
What a great vehicle!
Not even anywhere near the same size as a Grand Wagoneer, Escalade or Navigator
It's the 10th of October, where are these wagoneers?
If you like Land Rover reliability, you'll love the the dependability that only Chrysler, Fiat and Peugeot can deliver.
The tech will annoy you as it fails, but bring an umbrella and comfy shoes. The only consolation is that the tow truck drivers that I know are good folks. I think that they'll eventually give you their home phone number. You can save yourself the time and call them before you leave home.
When does it get a hellcat!!!!?
I prefer leaf springs and solid axels all around and a better exterior design nostalgic to the original one…and yeah..that wood trim is a must…Jeep engineers need to go back to the drawing board!
In a luxurious SVU you are not getting live axels. It’s all about smooth. Nobody is taking this off road.
Why not that engine in RAM 1500 ?
Hopefully this means 6.4L comes to half ton Ram.
Ford Expeditions have a 33 gallon tank