Ok, I expected the Tesla range to be horrible, which it was, but I did NOT expect it to cost more to recharge than to refill the Ram with diesel. What a joke 🤣
Most don't. Electric is only for home charging there you can save a lot of money but why would you want a Cybertruck then? Just get a cheap EV for a runabout or short commute. A better option is to find a good plugin hybrid that can do moist things well enough for most.
That was surprising. But that was some damn cheap diesel. It's about $4.65 here in PA so the Ram woulda been $40. I'd still pay that vice waiting 2 hrs. every 80 miles.
We always knew the range would be garbage and the experience of towing and stopping constantly would be garbage… what this did was put numbers to it. Not surprising on any front (except maybe the price of diesel!) but still a good experiment to do once and for all.
So from San Francisco to LA it takes 14 hours with a Cyber truck. Takes a Cummins 7 hours. So not only are you saving time. You’re saving money. And you’re towing safer.
Pulling an 8,000 pound trailer at 70 mph is rank ignorant and completely illegal in California. This comparo was tilted like an old pinball against the Tesla. These two Titans are about as responsive to change as Steam railroad engineers were in 1940.
"we're low on power captain. 10 miles until next charging station" "Kill the lights and radio, divert all power to the main engine" "I captain, on your mark" "Engage"
Excellent video. It's amazing, you only went 85 miles and had to stop unhook and charge, plus it cost $12 more to go only 85 miles! And the diesel was on its way in 3 minutes, while the EV had to charge for 1 1/2 hours! Diesel trucks aren't going anywhere for a very long time.
The government is already pushing it. California passed a law banning the sale of all diesel trucks by 2036 and the removal of all diesel trucks by 2042.
The thing is, the Diesel could have gone another 250+ miles (or so) without having to stop, whereas the Cyberwhatever would have had to stop what, another 3 times?
Cool, so if you take a family trip from the east coast to say…Yellowstone and back is 3,400 miles. 85 mile recharges means 40 stops @ 1.5 hours each = 60 hours of charging, and 40 times hitching and unhitching your trailer. Fun !
It's not 1.5 hours each, but yes, it would still be a lot of stops. It would be close to 60 hours on the road, driving, and a little over 20 hours stopped, charging.
Wait till the government starts taxing gasoline real high to get gasoline powered vehicles off the road!! The government is going to make it impossible to drive a gasoline-powered vehicle they're going to luxury tax it to death!!!
Just wait till they start taxing gasoline and gasoline powered vehicles so high that people have to switch to electric... It's coming... Good ole USA....
@@cjrod9443 That's not nearly as much as fees and road taxes on fuel. In some states, the price of gas or diesel is 20-35% government taxes and fees. So, if it costs you $40 to "fast" charge, it could cost you over $50 with government add-ons. That's ~2x more than diesel.
@@johnjohnson9431 450-475 in my no DEF Cummings. Automatic brakeset controller. Speed 60-65. Wear and tear???? Compare the components. My Dodges don't break in till 150k. Anyone???
Your "Trip cost comparison" at the end should include "time to refill/recharge" to 100%. I don't know many people who place absolutely ZERO value on their time. In fact, for many of us, our time wasted is not simply income lost - but opportunities lost as well. Great job though guys - as usual. 👍🏻
I get what your saying and agree with your view but the "cost/value: of time" is Highly subjective and I'm all but 100% sure why it wasn't figured into the equation.
Based on my experience of towing travel trailers with all the wind resistance they have and you can really see a big change in fuel needs when you hit a strong headwind, meaning a stop every 50 miles, or so, and depending where you can recharge you are also at the mercy of where you can stop, not necessarily when you'd like to. The total amount of time lost would require at least one more overnight stop to travel to any distant destination. Also if you do overestimate your range and end up on the side of the road, what then, it's not like someone can bring you a gas, or diesel can.
@@averyparticularsetofskills Yup - but read again what I wrote. I mentioned including the *time* - not a dollar amount. People can assign whatever they value their own time at.
Last summer I drove my 1999 Chevy Suburban 6.5 diesel from south NJ to Belfast Maine on one tank 42 GA and got 19 MPG During a heat wave 90+ degrees AC on the whole trip with front & rear air, packed to the top with vacation gear...Not bad for 25 year old technology....
In-atmosphere vehicles on the ground do better in thinner air. (Some lower end aeronautical vehicles that tend to prefer thicker air have worse range in thinner air, but some higher end aeronautical vehicles that act more like rockets or compress the air better for their engines and prefer thinner air have better range in thinner air.) My point: the CT would also do a bit better in that summer weather, too, but nowhere near as well as your diesel in summer.
Diesel engines are very often turbocharged so the truck will perform identical at higher or lower elevations. The air is forced into the engine above atmospheric pressure. Make no excuses for that abortion of a truck
No No No No No! You must be mistaken!! Your Government overlords are demanding that you STOP USING such technology right away!! It's for your own good!! THEY know what's best for you!! They wouldn't lie to you would they? So please stop using the 1999 Chevy Suburban IMMEDIATELY!!! ......(its for your own good)
I’m a trucker and I found this video interesting. Two full tanks and I can cover 1000 miles averaging 5.9 mpg towing 44,000 cargo and have been passed by the Budweiser brewery there. For some reason I thought those supercharging stations were free but I guess they are more expensive than diesel thanks guys great video
IIRC way back when Teslas first appeared free charging was included in the price of the car. Possibly for as long as you owned it? Anyone have better info?
@larder54 True, also as recent as last year they offered a year or two free SuperCharging on some of their top end cars as a promo. Typically the cost varies depending on the energy provider. Home charging is where the real savings comes in. Here its ~$5 for 100 miles in our Model Y if charged at home and ~$10 for 100 miles at the closest superchargers.
@@lawrencewiddis2447 Because it's hugely inconvenient. What if it's lashing it down at night in a really dodgy area, where you want to be in and out as quick as possible. Wait no, got to fanny about for the next hour unhitching and hitching my truck whilst I'm shattered during a long drive.
@@lawrencewiddis2447 no but maybe Tesla should’ve thought of this. Why would they think of this because most people that bought this truck didn’t buy it for its truck capabilities. They brought it so everyone would look at them.
That was subtract another 60% of the range so another 51 miles would be missing that would leave 35 miles total range on that truck when it’s full. The cyper truck and all Evies are a scam.
@@Mowers11it’s not that they’re a scam… it’s that EVs are simply inefficient at its core. An entire Kilowatt of power can be wasted in a mile. That’s ridiculous.
It would be closer to 30-40 minutes for every 1.5 hours driving. Not great, but not as bad as you're making it out to be. This is why EV trucks need a minimum ~200 kWh battery pack. That keeps you on the road for 2 to 2.5 hours between stops. For reference, a 400 kWh pack would give it nearly identical range to the RAM they drove.
@@newscoulomb3705 you are forgetting to add the time it takes to find a place to park the trailer, unhook, and re-hook it. It may only take 30-40min to charge then add 30 min for all the other bs you have to do before getting back on the road.
@@allengrier4767 No, I'm not forgetting. It's just too variable to account for. Luckily, I helped push the needle on getting charging providers to start installing high-power, pull-through stalls, and EV Tesla appears to be catching on now (yes, they are a bit behind, though). So depending on what chargers you decide to use on whatever trip you're taking, you might not need to detach the trailer at all (e.g., EVgo chargers at GM Energy, Pilot-Flying J locations).
I have a 2014 Super Duty with the 6.7 turbo diesel, I hauled a 18,000 lb trailer 600 miles I stopped once for diesel. I was going up Interstate Hills at 1/3 throttle. The hitch is rated at 15,000 lb. Kudos to these guys to work so hard trying to say something nice about this non-functional "truck"
@@metalmike570 I am unconvinced about the benefit to the environment. It's less efficient to use power due to the losses from generator to outlet~charger. I'd prefer to see electric axles and onboard battery pack along with an electric generator under the hood.
@@WaIIyMaven So you are saying you're a better engineer than Elon Musk? I doubt that very much, but your ideas make me think he'd hire you. That's the only way for innovation to evolve I did an about face on your comment!
I own a plug-in Hybrid, a Toyota Rav4 Prime. So I have some personal experience with plugging-in to recharge a car traction battery. PHEV's have gas engines and electric propulsion, so they combine traits of both. I can run on gas up to 550 miles on the 14 gallon tank, or up to 52 miles on the electric battery. And if I lived in a city with extreme cold winters, I would have to worry about Range Anxiety since the car would be running on gas anytime it's colder than 14°F (the lower limit to run in EV mode on this car). But pure-EV's have too many disadvantages for my comfort level. They cost too much to purchase and insure, they get terrible range in extremely hot or cold weather, they take way too long to charge on road trips, public Level 3 DC fast charging is 3 times more expensive than home charging and twice as expensive per mile as just putting gasoline in a regular car or Hybrid, and you can't take them into rural areas - the charging infrastructure is still concentrated along Interstates and major State highways.
I do not love or hate any truck. I base my purchasing on the results that the team at TFL Truck get in the testing. Seriously guys. You provide the exact information people want before they decide. I tell everyone to check out your channel. Thank you for everything you do. It is a tremendous help.
Yes. I love that they say "No hateful comments." I'm not a fan of EV's at all, but they may have their place with people who only drive a short distance.
I can install an aftermarket fuel tank or an auxiliary fuel tank on my diesel truck and drive anywhere from 1200 to 2000 miles. How many batteries (and how much weight) does it take to bring a Cybertruck from 300 miles range to that same amount?
Can you even imagine anyone who hauls a camper wanting to stop every 90 miles or so (if even possible) have to unhook the trailer to (fuel) up and wait up to 90 minutes for each recharge and costs you more to fuel up? The illusion of green savings.
You have to remember this is a specific case scenario, hauling heavy loads long distance is not the use case for most daily pickup driving. Majority would be charging at home or work on 10c per kwh or less, not paying supercharger costs. A huge number of pickups drive around with groceries or the bikes in the back for the weekend day trip. If you compared the running cost to those situations, (which is the majority) then it's a different story. I'd like to go EV but sticking to my diesel jeep for hauling the 2.5t horse trailer for long distance shows.
Going a hundred miles is not a long trip for most campers. Maybe electric is the way to go for city folk. But I have a bunch of kids quads and a 43 foot long toy hauler. I’ll stick with my Cummings. 20,000 lbs go 300 miles before I have to refill my tank. The Cummings in this video could double the size and weight of the trailer and still out preform this truck that cost much more. I can fill my truck in maybe 10 minutes and the Tesla takes 1.5 hrs. What are my kids gonna do for 1.5 hrs in a truck stop. It’s not even a comparison.
In 1 year will lose 10% range just like all Li-ion batteries, in 5 years will lose around another 10% so REAL range will be ~60miles and ~10miles to find a charger and even that no one would EVER do with an ICE vehicle. Most would never go below 60 miles range on an ICE vehicle. Oh yea ~30%-->50% reduction in range due to cold... Truck my aarse
~100km in reasonable winter conditions towing. Leaving ~15% on each end for safety and battery protection (going 15-85) means stopping every 45 minutes, unhitching, plugging in, waiting 1.5 hours, paying C$60, re-hitching, and then you can drive another 45 minutes before rinse, repeat, etc. EVs make zero sense for towing.
@@Tats2020 And not sure if it goes up for the Cybertruck, but what I heard is that to replace the batteries of a Tesla, they need to replace the whole undercarriage. Which is a big proces, and appearantly costs about as much as, if not more than just buying a new car. Which it basically is if you change that what makes a car a car, in my opinion. In that respect, I think Toyota had a better idea with their Prius, being able to replace batteries without having to change everything else, as I've seen on the Chrisfix channel. And with older Yota's, like those first Priusses, that looked like someone who knows what he's doing could still do it himself. Not sure if that's still the case with the newer Toyota's though.
And that abysmal range was during good/warm weather. Repeat the test in Minnesota in winter while using the heater, the blowers and the windshield wipers on a battery that's already lost 25% due to the cold weather before you even start.
The average gas pump delivers half a liter Diesel per second. That's 5kWh per second or 18 Megawatt charging Power. No super charger can deliver 18 Megawatt Power.
@@philippeferreiradesousa4524 And who tows around ridiculous heavy loads all the time. I guess some retired folks but they have lots of time on their hands and can recharge with less worry.
Holy crap! You're actually asking the Cybertruck to do things that people expect trucks to do.🤣🤣🤣 Certainly glad that you're doing it so I don't have to!
One thing I didn't notice you mention -- it looked like the terrain you drove over was fairly flat. Where I live in the foothills of the Blue Ridge, we are constantly going up and downhill -- and some of then are pretty good inclines. Plus if we wanted to tow a trailer or a camper up into the mountains of NC, we're going up long, tall inclines. And out there in the Rockies, I know it would be worse, like up near Estes Park. It seems like that would greatly decrease your distance between charges. Can y'all test that, sometime?
The Cybertruck only cost them $15 to fillup at home. It cost $38 to fillup at a supercharger. The Diesel cost them $25 at the cheapest diesel fueling station in the world. This was not comparable. I was surprised that the Cybertruck made 86 miles. Pretty sure after a few updates it will do the same trip and get closer to 95 miles. Either way, Cybertruck was a beast. Very impressed.
So, this is the worst case for the Cybertruck. Towing cross country for recreation is something that a truck only does a small percent of the time. If you are retired and just pulling your RV around the country, the Cybertruck is no more for you than a compact car would be. The reason you get an EV truck is if you use it primarily in-town and then...10% of the energy cost with Off-peak charging, (no oil changes to pay for or sit and wait for), 3X the torque, charge in your garage with 0 minutes sitting at a fueling station. After 6 years of EV ownership, I'm all in!
@@davidbeppler3032 I know it's hard for you EV-tards to fathom, but TFL was doing a towing test. Meaning, they aren't going to be able to "charge at home" and have to do it on the road. They weren't just driving circles around a home charger towing a trailer but rather on the highway traveling. Can you comprehend this? EV trucks, suck....
Thanks for this comparison drive. I thought you answered a lot of questions I had. As a commercial truck driver the one comment I have to make about the Tesla is that not having mirrors that allow you to see beyond yor trailer is a definitive safety hazard. I am always checking the mirrors on RVs and other private haulers I am behind to see if they can see me. This truck can't. I am a dedicated Smith System driver and using those mirrors would not allow me to drive correctly. On another topic, the Cybertruck is the only vehicle I have ever seen that makes an AMC Pacer look sexy. Nuf Said.
Depends on the time of day and location in California too. I paid anywhere from 32 cents/kw to 60 cents/kw. That's pretty wild when the cost can almost double from one Supercharger to another!
@@gifthorse3675 The stainless steel is bulletproof. So I saw a thumbnail a dude is going to fire a 50 cal at it!!! Man I think they mean a pistol bullet not a damn 50 cal!!!
@@Areku06 lol...they sell overpriced garbage! Plenty of reasons to hate. Make a cheap car that is used locally only...you might actually have something. Fit and finish of a Tesla is comparable the the junk GM was making in the 80's. Need spare parts? Sorry. Want to fix your own tesla? Sorry. A huge overpriced nightmare. No thanks!
Why does everyone complain about the horrible range but fail to state that it takes HOURS to recharge it? You can't always find supercharging stations and when you do a lot of the time there is a car or three there charged up and the occupants are inside eating
That's far from accurate, and I own a Model 3. It takes a little while to charge, but not hours. I am done in 20-30 minutes when it’s really empty. The Supercharger network is extensive, and it’s easy to find one in areas where people drive a lot. They are also divided reasonably between major cities. I’ve traveled a lot with it. As for you saying people squat on chargers, that can’t be further from the truth. Idle fees occur for every minute you sit there beyond your charging point, and it gets expensive quickly. You’re either repeating rumors, or what I really think is happening is you’re making things up as you go along.
I think with the higher voltage system it was supposed to be able to charge faster, but that isn't set up yet - for some unknown reason. So if that was enabled, it could in theory charge in like 30 - 40 minutes. But... it's not.
They've just shown how long it takes to charge, so how can you say it's wrong? If all the other chargers were in use the charge power would drop by half, causing even more delay...and what if you had to queue to even get on a charger?
I don't even know who would buy an electric vehicle if they drive far enough to need to fill up while they are out driving. I've never stopped to charge my electric car ever. Just plug it in when I get home, and my average day tskes about 40% charge. If you can't charge at home for 90% of your driving needs, seems silly to go electric...especially for towing.
why would you even buy a electric car at all when they still make cars that run on fuel, they cost less to buy and to fuel up. there is nothing a electric car can do that a car that runs on fuel can't.
Out of curiosity me and a friend compared the cyper truck more to an suv than a truck. How would it compare in this test to a Tahoe or something like that?
I’m a hybrid/all-electric fan. I think for daily driving in town, they’re fantastic. HOWEVER when it comes to towing even light loads, skip the battery and go get a diesel. Nothing beats the range you get from a diesel.
Its unfortunate that you can't add a stand alone generator to an ev instead of being hybrid. The generator would be easier to replace and maintain and cheaper. You would only need it in certain situations as well. Overall emissions and fuel economy would be better than ice and you get the ev torque.
New gas trucks tow well. Not as well as diesel of course, but my crew cab long bed Super Duty with 7.3 liter Godzilla and 4.30 gears can tow large trailers unbelievably well. I’ve towed 15k pounds with ease. And I have a 48 gallon tank.
I’ll add the caveat, gassers tow well too. My comment was based on the comparison that TFL did in the video. There’s a place of EVs, but we haven’t reached the point quite yet where they will replace a pickup that tows regularly. I know we will get there in the near future but current available technology/cost will push this out a few more years.
It depends on the weight as they said in the video. The Cybertruck was over it's towing limit to make it look bad! In reality it should never be used in that capacity.. You'll need a much larger EV for that weight!
The weight as towed was under the teslas max. You could double the weight tied by the dodge and it would still have more range than what the ct did with the weight in the video and for about the same money. Ev’s just aren’t competitive in the consumer towing market if you intend to tow over a 50 mile radius from your home.
I had no idea that the range on the Tesla would be so low. That would be a non starter for most anyone towing any distance at all. I tow a 28' Airstream with a 2nd gen Ram/ Cummins, 400 miles isn't an issue between fill-up's with my rig. Thanks for an honest video of the facts.
I’ve seen a couple cyber trucks here in Casper Wyoming. They are a strange duck to be sure. Probably nice for around town, or an overnight trip to a town close enough to charge an return home, but I like to take a matter of minutes to fuel up , not hours. Plus when the battery needs replaced , how much is that . And what’s one worth as a used truck with a battery that’s say only half gone 🤷♂️
Tesla Cybertruck can be purchased with the optional trailer with a 25kW diesel powered generator and charging cable. This provides greater mileage between refueling. 😂
"Whoops I'm puttin in gas!" I got a good laugh from that. As a diesel pickup owner it is clear to my family that no one, under any circumstances, ever, ever, fills the tank of my dmax exept me.
Same here with my Cummins. The wife asked if she could go put gas in it, cause she wanted to drive my truck. I said, no you can’t put gas in it. It’s diesel, it doesn’t take gas. Lol
One of my buddies had a jacked up diesel pickup wouldn’t let anyone drive it one day his daughter’s car was broken down so he said you can drive it this one time lol.She put gas in it locked it up tighter than a drum!!
Haha what? Bud i owe ev, gas and diesel. In case you don't know, you can NOT put gas on a diesel truck because the fuel pump connector is completely different. It will NOT fit a gas pump on a diesel truck fuel connector. So no your family will do just fine putting diesel in a diesel truck with a diesel specific fuel pump. No gas or ev pump going to fit in there. Ask me how I know 😂
@@vm2003in the US you sure can. You must be looking at the Semi Truck pumps with the bigger nozzle. Normal diesel pumps use the exact same nozzle as a gas one, Just a different color.
When I tow with my F-250, I often refuel at the truck lanes. Those pumps put out ~60 gallons per minute, so it literally takes 30 seconds to fill my tank.
Use the right tools for the job, probably the best advice given in the video. Great video guys, this is more “truck work” than the average truck owner does on average
As a big proponent of EV’s thanks for actually testing this. There’s so much hype and rumors that people throw around but facts are what matter. A lot of people would just dismiss it without even trying.
Who has the money, you may be able to test drive, but that’s not putting it to a real test. Everyone’s different, their locations, weather, terrain etc
EVs are awful for the environment (mining heavy metals, other minerals not needed in internal combustion engines) and run on coal. Not even close to the lies greenies have proclaimed about them. Not to mention they are inconvenient and super expensive. And the grid cannot handle the electric draw. The only thing good about EVs is the acceleration, which isn't much.
@@meritholdingllc123 I’m seeing the price slowly declining, the grid slowly getting more hydro and solar and less coal, and most importantly I’m not seeing anyone building refineries in their backyard…
Seeing this video justifies my discontent for the Cyberjunk! I love the convenience of my 2018 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins. Towed my 68 Buick skylark from Illinois to Kentucky and back with ease and didn't even break a sweat.
My F250 Diesel Super Duty pulls my 5th wheel without breaking a sweat. It will still be doing it 200,000 + miles later, long after the Cyber Truck has burned up its batteries. Those smoking batteries and the replacement truck can't be good for the environment. No one ever looks at the long term.
Absolutely, but I'd rather be cummin than strokin though 😂😂. Old guy joke 🤠 But seriously, as an old grey haired guy, duel citizenship, I have some EVs in Germany. The maintenance in cold weather, power outages, and NOONE HAS TESTED THESE VEHICLES FOR LASTING vs COST! I have! In Germany I have several in the family. I'll take a Toyota, Honda, and of course a VW without a lot of out of pocket maintenance. Here in America, ALL diesels at every one of my homes and ranches. Multiple states. Cattleman's association bought a cyber truck to test. Negative! Sorry Elon but through the mud pulling small 18ft trailer and feeding cows, nope! Recharge every night. Quick charge, all you guys out there know what a quick charge does to batteries. Now for fun! My old 2WD 24v Cummins drug the cyber backwards with ease. 99' with total locker tranny and rear end. On another note, "Rancher looking for young strong girl who likes tanning! Must be able to hold 2 solar panels on truck roof to charge batteries" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Serious country girls apply within! Must love the Cyber truck cowboy lifestyle!🤣😁 Y'all heard about that bucees that burned down??? Negative on them Tesla stations at that location. Can't go into TX and travel across country as a 240v or even a converter will help when out of power!! Remember, this is a duel motor that uses more electric and wear and tear. But in the end as I love to tell vegans, that nail polish remover and gear grease come from the cow! Facts matter!😎
The long term is those batteries are not going to last forever, i have heard, for a car, over $50,000 for whole batter unit. So i am guessing we are seeing The Daimler Motor-Lastwagen is the world's first truck, manufactured in the year 1896 by Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft and designed by Gottlieb Daimler. Basically the 1900 version of it.
No one is replacing EV batteries and no batteries are catching fire except for the drama you see in media. EV fires are 1/10 petrol fires. Certainly though this test fails the EV truck in hauling. Few people I’ve talked to ever plan to tow heavy wt cybertruck
@@flyingyakdeath I own many EVs, you will be replacing those batteries the more you quick charge. What did it take to fill up my diesel? 5 minutes. EV , full charge 🤔🤔🤔. My Cyber is sitting in Germany. Works ok. I also upgraded range and more power with duel motors. We've had EVs in small towns in Europe quite some time. You should maybe look at when the first EV was invented. There's people like me that actually buy and test. Have tried a Lucid? Lightning?
A lot of people who try pick up trucks wouldn’t know how to pound a nail into a board. Tesla is a horrible company run by a horrible man named Elon Musk. What else would you expect from Vladimir Putin‘s girlfriend?
300 miles seems optimistic if you never take EV to 0%, only recharge to 80% to save time and battery life, and drive 78mph with the AC blasting. I bet you will be stopping every 150 miles.
EVs are only for rich people with heated garages, home chargers, and second gas cars, then they’re better than gas, no stopping at a pump. If you don’t fit this category, you likely shouldn’t be looking into one.
Try Moving your car collection cross country with such a Diesel Pickup Truck in comparison to an actual Semi Truck. It takes the same amount of Diesel per Mile - when loaded with 27 tons (54.000 punds) of cargo, compared to how much? 9t (20.00 0 lb) if its a really beefy truck and trailer combination. You would need to go 3-4 times as often all the distance and have to use 3-4 times the amount of Diesel. So lets stay with the saying: Pick the right tool for the right job. How would I know? A friend of us had a private collection of old trucks, offroad cars, spares and truck repair eqipment to move over a distance of 600 miles - he tried to do it with his Range Rover with a trailer first and soon found out, that he could simply not afford it. Getting desperate he then bought a used semi for 6000 dollars, borrowed a trailer and we were absolutely blown away what an efficient combination that was. Ah and let's not forget: The semi does the whole distance without refilling, easily ^^
@@genius1a well now your comparing a pickup truck to a semi truck, why wouldn't you compare the diesel semi to an ev semi? or do I need to compare a semi to a train?
@@timessiah94 *My 3 engine train is even MOAR efficient, and I can carry other people's loads, so I ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY, when I move my car collection from one side of the country to the other, every 2 months.*
@@timessiah94 Why should I? I don't care where the power comes from, it can be Gazoline, Diesel, nuclear fission, hydrogen, coal fire,... as long as the whole machine can do well, what I want or need it to do. Yes, The Tesla S ist absolutely hillarious when it comes to transporting cargo, but the Lamborghini Aventador is even more ridcolous for that. Use the right machine for the right job! A better question would be: Is there any role, a Tesla Semi can do better than a Diesel Semi? Yes: How about heavy cargo, that needs to go over a mountain on a regular basis: With the Diesel Semi you need Diesel to go up, afterwards you can brake downhill to maintain low speeds using a retarder that dissipates heat to the air. With the electric Semi you roughly need half of the primary energy used by the Diesel Semi to get up there - and going downhill you get 70% of that back on top of that by regenerative breaking. Do that 10 times a day, through the whole year and you will find, that a Diesel Semi would be way more expensive to run. If you ask me, which I would prefer for getting stuff done or transported, the Diesel or the electric Pickup: Neither of them. I live in a country that can be pretty cold and wet, I love my Diesel Volkswagen Bus. For the huge inside space and the smooth ride. Recently I put a skidoo inside. Works! Would I take an electric Volkswagen Bus if it was of decent price and range? (200 miles real life would be sufficient): Absolutely! The Buzz is not an option. That's just a van trying to mimic the original Volkswagen Transporter.
Last week I saw a cyber truck on I70 going from Ohio into Indiana towing a Airstream camper. I thought to myself at least they have a nice place to sit while it charges.
Thank you for an honest real world comparison. As good as the cyber truck maybe , it’s just not designed for hauling large trailers over long distances. As for the Ram Cummins truck , Dodge has many years experience building trucks and it shows in this test.
I think if you're catching flack from EV haters and Tesla fanboys, your coverage is probably fair. So keep it up! I tow a utility trailer with an EV fairly regularly. Its small enough it fits within the slipstream behind the car, so its not terrible for impact on range, even if its full of soil or gravel. I've towed it as far as 160km and used about 60% of the battery. As you say, pick the tool for the job. Long haul, high windage trailers are probably a no-go for EV towing. I do want to echo the max payload test someone else suggested though. If you do that, and pick a payload that sits lower than the roof line on the CT, I think people will be surprised at how small the impact on range is.
At least we got a cool looking 80s tome machine that could still run today, can't say the same for the cybertruck… the batteries won’t be good in a few decades and no culturally important movies are coming out with one…
And honestly the Delorean was the better of the two. Better range, cooler doors, better looking, and literally cheaper even adjusted for inflation. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't amazing in any of those categories, but it was still better than the Cybertruck.
I just pulled a trailer of almost identical weight and proportions from Lake Havasu to Harrison, AR. This includes a long uphill from Kingman to Williams. Over the 1650 miles, my ‘06 Chevy 2500HD with the 6L gas engine averaged 9.4mpg. It took a day and a half, partly because I needed a trailer tire in Oklahoma.
See, this is one of the things that has been puzzling me since watching the video. Why did the Cummins only get 10mpg? I expected considerably better. 30yr old Cummins would have done much better.
@@jjwagnell my 2004 Ram 3500 with the 5.9 Cummins gets 11mpg towing a travel trailer similar in size to the ATC in this video. These guys were going 70mph which is a little faster than I typically tow. These travel trailers just generate a lot of drag at highway speed.
Very fair and unbiased test on heavy duty towing. Quickest acceleration won’t help on long distance towing definitely. I don’t think I will see many cybertruck towing trailer home going the distance. Very simple math and physics and mechanical engineering lessons. If anyone wants to tow a big and long motor home cross country, don’t even think about a cybertruck.
Just got back from a cross country round trip hauling a 9000# 33' camper. Got 15mpg and didn't have to use brakes on the mountains because of Ram engine brake. Even handled the 70MPH winds in NE, OK, CO. 6 campers tipped over. Anyways, gets 25mpg and 700+ miles per tank. 08 Ram 6.7 Cummins. Done with Ford.
The 6-in line Cummins engine, even in the pre-common-rail (pre-2004) Dodge pickups, was a great workhorse. My '98 is only 5.7 liters, with a VP-44 injection pump, so it's only 225 hp and 400 pound ft of torque. But I have the NVG-4500 5-speed manual transmission, so there's no fluid coupling loss like you get with the torque converter in an automatic, and in third gear, it pulls my 7,600 pound trailer up a 7% freeway grade at 30 mph (2,000rpm) effortlessly. Manifold pressure about 24 psi, and "load" reported by the OBD-II about 40%, and coolant temp 190°F, so nowhere near the engine's upper power limits. I get 14 mpg towing this trailer at 55 mph, and 22 mpg empty - 770 miles of range on the 35 gallon tank. The truck is pre-Catalytic Converter, pre-DEF, and pre-DPF. You can't even get a new one with a manual transmission. They will pry the keys out of my cold dead fingers, but I'll never replace this old Dodge for a new one. It was fully paid for in 2001, DMV and insurance costs me $250/year. And it still has only 105,000 original miles. I'd be crazy to replace it.
@@tomkrause62 It was an attempt at humor. EV proponents always use that line when you point out that charging part way through a road trip will take an hour or more. I guess cybertruck drivers will be sitting down for a meal for an hour for every 75 minutes of driving.
@@tomkrause62 well American obesity rate is only 40-44%, must reach at least 80% and the Cybertruck is here to help, lots of stop lots of good dinning :)
@@rickywoods3101 the ram will lose 0 efficiency if maintained properly the cyber truck won't you'll eventually need to replace electric motors and batteries way before needing to repair the ram but its all irrelevant if you like the ram you buy it and vice versa just cause you like something doesn't mean you have to hate something else it's pointless, as someone who's not a fan of electric vehicles I still find the idea cool af however not feasible currently.
Well, bless your hearts for really trying to make the cybertruck seem like a viable option. I mean you guys always try to show EVs in the best light, but the reality is they just don’t do truck things well.
@@christiandruan Then why are they faster than your ICE vehicles? So they don't tow heavy loads good, so what. Not designed for that. Faster than your guzzlers and zero emissions. Think about it because your didn't!!
I don't own a truck yet, but I really enjoyed this video. I liked the way the hosts communicate their moment-by-moment experience and compared in real-time.
Some stock tires on travel trailers are rated 65 MPH. Maximum MPH will be molded into the tire. Have a look at yours before doing 70+. Blowouts could roll the trailer, which would be kind of expensive and dangerous. BTW apparently you have to replace trailer tires every 5..7? years, regardless of mileage.
Roman is hitting the nail on the head with the "right tool for the right job." If this was me, towing the ~70 miles between the lake and the house I would take the boat to, with my electric rates without supercharger, that would be about 7.50 (I pay .07/kwh) and it would make complete sense. Would gladly road trip it with just the truck, but a 1000 miles with the cybertruck and a trailer is just not an ideal use case for it. Thanks for the vid TFL!
Hope you had a charging station within 15 miles of your lake. Otherwise you would be stranded coming back from the lake on your return journey. They got ~85 miles before needed to recharge. I agree for very short round trips OK, but not for anything longer. When it takes you about an hour to go your 70 miles from home but 1.5 hours to recharge for the return journey, plus the same hour for travel would not make most people happy.
Even using your example, the right tool for the right job. Who would buy a truck just to tow a boat to a lake 30 miles away from you. If you had to stop and charge you would have to wait way over 40 mins to charge. What if you had to get back because you had an emergency or had to go to work. There is no situation that an electric truck is useful, compared to a diesel or even a gas truck. Even a car is not a good tool for any job, but you could make it work in the case of a car. You just have to live with all the down sides. If the gov would stop making everyone who does not have an electric car or truck, the price would be astronomical. It is a bad idea for any vehicle. Except a bicycle or a hybrid where your don't have to rely on the unreliability of a battery.
@@greatwhitenorthcanada9600 it really depends on the trailer, the route, how you drive, etc. In other test people were able to get up to a maximum of ~160mi of range while towing with the same car (But that's using 100% of the battery). Just because they got about 86 miles of range with 93% of the battery, doesn't mean that the Cybertruck would give you similar performance while towing a boat. Depending on the lake, you may also be able to charge the car at the destination (even if it's just a slower AC-charger, not DC fastcharging). If your truck is charging while you are out on the lake enjoying your boating trip, that doesn't cost you any additional time. For any EV, the time loss to charging becomes meaningless, if you overlap that time with things you would have done anyway, like eating, boating or using the bathroom. Finally, Tesla is planning to offer an option to put an extra battery in the bed of the truck to extend the range by about 36%, which could be a bit better for this medium distance towing scenario.
Something I noticed when showing side views of the Tesla towing, the trailer is not level. It is lower in the front than the back. Was this due to the hitch needing to be raised or will the Tesla only accomondate hitch heights up to lower level than this trailer?
@@DaedalusHelios I dunno bout that. El Caminos were pretty popular. Still see them around even. Maybe if instead of doing what they did, they targeted the epa created void that is the light truck market, they could have really had something. There's a *whole lot* of guys out there that aren't needing to tow campers and huge boats but want a light utility truck to do things. Then again, maybe not. Maybe the batteries are just too heavy to make a light utility truck style EV practical. What do I know?
While fuel is more expensive in cali, the super chargers are also more! I don’t understand these people that are comparing cali fuel prices to Colorado charger prices. Using current prices it would cost $3.27 more for the trip using fuel in cali but how many hours and headaches would be saved using the Ram? Electric is garbage unless you are puttering around the city.
the average cost of home electricity in Texas. $.143/kwh, so he really used $16 of electricity and is now recharging with $35. Huge 8000lbs trailers and cyber trucks are not a good combo, but nobody said they were.
Hi great video. Every 80miles you have to charge the tesla cybertruck. I had plans of towing a 8k pound trailer. I was expecting to get 150 miles. But to see and hear only 85 miles at 70 mph.thansk for the review b.
This is truly life with any battery electric vehicle, if you want to take it outside of the city or town you live in. And don't forget that you also have to "calculate" where a charging station might be, along your way. Yes, we have seen that it's all possible, but especially in rural areas, charging stations are simply few and far between. And just look at Tesla's "supercharger" situation now -- gosh golly, does that sound like they're going to build new charging stations all along the deserted highways you travel on? KEEP DREAMING. I'm not "against" zero emission vehicles, but I think "charging batteries" is simply "the only way we can do it" right now, and it's just ridiculous in many different ways. There is no way I can believe that humanity will be "charging batteries for hours" to get acceptable range with motor vehicles, into the future.
@@tom_hoots ok, but lets revisit what they sell EV's as, a replacement for fossil fuels, no? well then, what fuel their recharging stations, most likely its coal. so you haven't escaped fossil fuels with EV and you have the added cost of conflict minerals liike cobalt and lithium. now price that 20% over the competition, under-deliver on features and restrict your customer who purchased the vehicles from reselling for a 12 months. what exactly are they selling people? its like they did zero market research and just moved because they have ego driven man-child at the helm. i can't wait till tesla stock corrects and the brainless fanboys lose their live savings.
If you aren't towing, the Tesla does a great job of telling you when and where you need to charge. Simply plug your destination into the map. Most other EVs are decent at that as well.
Thanks for another interesting video, the Wh per mile consumption of EVs when towing is over 1 kWh per mile, meaning they need a 300 kWh or larger battery just to be able to compete with gas or diesel trucks, not to mention that harsh winter days and headwind make things even worse. I don't think EV trucks are ever going to replace diesel trucks for people who tow a lot, at least not in the next decade.
Towing for any distance anyway. Towing max weight for 40 miles to a job site then back at the end of the day would be easy enough. But nobody wants this truck for that anyway.
Perfect and insightful road test. Confirmed what I already known. Right tool for the job (exactly) Cyber truck is perfect to take your trash to the local dump or towing a load from your local big box DIY store. . Leave the real work for the big 3
The irony of it costing more to charge the electric truck than fill the diesel for the same work done is just absolutely bonkers. Great comparison and video!
@@monaezytwo6513 I'm not forgetting anything, I'm just choosing not to point it out because that kills all the fun of the irony. It's a truck that can't actually do truck stuff at any practical level unless its within 35 miles of home. As someone who has pulled trailers the entire length of the country a few times for work I really appreciated that 50 gallon tank of diesel. I could go about 600 miles per tank WITH a trailer.
The real irony is that for 9 gallons and $25, diesel gets you 330 kWh. It's silly for towing EVs not to take advantage of that level of economy and density with a generator range extender. EV trucks should be plug-in hybrid. Pure BEV is so impractical to even consider.
Great honest review guys. Just FYI, if you turn the hitch over with the ladder pointing up, you can adjust the hitch higher, that way the trailer is level
Everyone who is involved in all TFL videos does a great job at reviewing along with great camera work. I'm very happy with my 22' Maverick, but it's good to know what the industry is offering and how pick-up trucks do in real world conditions. Same for all the other TFL channels I've seen.
EV's are great for people with time on their hands (one of our local casinos has a bunch of Tesla superchargers), but those working for a living probably will be sticking with gas and diesel conveyances. Great video showing the practicality and impracticality of EV's.
Andre’s entire schtick is to be the nervous Nelly. The TFL boys are certainly honing their craft by developing a cast of characters. Andre is the Barney Fife of TFL.
Also remember that EV's are extremely heavy and tires wear out quickly. They require special tires and at the dealership cost about $3,000 per tire. Also thr battery pack lasts about 4 years at an average cost of $ 45,000 .
@truetexan7755r It does not cost that much for tires and does not cost 45K to replace betters. You are over exgerating your numbers. Telse battery replacement is under 25k. and that includes the disposal cost.
I'd be terrified towing in a cyber truck. Putting extra strain on the batteries and sitting on top of a potential thermal run away. I would have tools in the car capable of smashing out the windows in case I needed to escape and the trucks electrical system would not allow the doors to open.
I used to have a camper. I can tell you a few things about towing. Most people that pull campers only drive at a maximum of 65 mph. Also, a 28-foot trailer would be considered a smaller sized trailer and for a toy hauler it's a very small size. Most trailers are in excess of 30 feet, and some are even over 40 feet.
@@Naplesfran people should understand that's a small trailer that was pulled only 85 miles, not a big heavy trailer. There's a big difference. It might be fine for hauling your boat to the lake if it's not very far, but it's useless when it comes to pulling any weight at all as proven by the comparison with the 3/4 ton diesel pickup truck.
Being from Jersey I've been calling it a squared off mobile diner...refrigerator is a good one. If i would ever to get an ev I rather have the lightning.
He kept referring to right tool for the job but subtly or not so subtly failed to mention what job space Karen’s pride and joy was designed for exactly. If it’s just to garner stares you can take your clothes off parade around naked for free and get more looks.
That's what trucks Used to be for. My dad would haul 8 drums of resin in his 60 something Chevy with a Tommy lift... 8 x 540 lbs. Now trucks are very popular metro man caves.
I already knew about how far you were going to get and that trailer is 5000 lbs lighter than my 5th wheel. I get 12 miles to the gallon and my diesel is 22 years old. I’ll keep my old truck but thanks for the info boys. Good job as always.
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Ok, I expected the Tesla range to be horrible, which it was, but I did NOT expect it to cost more to recharge than to refill the Ram with diesel. What a joke 🤣
Most don't. Electric is only for home charging there you can save a lot of money but why would you want a Cybertruck then? Just get a cheap EV for a runabout or short commute. A better option is to find a good plugin hybrid that can do moist things well enough for most.
That was surprising. But that was some damn cheap diesel. It's about $4.65 here in PA so the Ram woulda been $40. I'd still pay that vice waiting 2 hrs. every 80 miles.
NE Tennessee diesel is well under $ 4.00.@@Dusdaddy
We always knew the range would be garbage and the experience of towing and stopping constantly would be garbage… what this did was put numbers to it. Not surprising on any front (except maybe the price of diesel!) but still a good experiment to do once and for all.
@@Dusdaddy diesel here in south Texas is $3.49 a gallon.
So from San Francisco to LA it takes 14 hours with a Cyber truck. Takes a Cummins 7 hours. So not only are you saving time. You’re saving money. And you’re towing safer.
But you don't look cool while doing it. Some ppl forget what a truck is for.
EV are 10x worse for the environment also!
@@tristenklein5940 The fact that rednecks actually believe EVs are worse for environment is actually depressing. People will believe anything.
@@louperez921Cybertrucks make you look like a tool more than look cool. The vast majority of people think the car is ugly and ridiculous.
Pulling an 8,000 pound trailer at 70 mph is rank ignorant and completely illegal in California. This comparo was tilted like an old pinball against the Tesla. These two Titans are about as responsive to change as Steam railroad engineers were in 1940.
"we're low on power captain. 10 miles until next charging station"
"Kill the lights and radio, divert all power to the main engine"
"I captain, on your mark"
"Engage"
Mr. Scott was not on the enterprise at the same time as Captain Picard
Nice
@@lakoncers13 so cool how you hear a Scottish accent, I wasn't going for that, but thanks.
She’s dead Jim.
Aye
Thanks for the clear, real-world comparison. We need more of this sort of usable information, and a whole lot less marketing and spin.
Excellent video. It's amazing, you only went 85 miles and had to stop unhook and charge, plus it cost $12 more to go only 85 miles! And the diesel was on its way in 3 minutes, while the EV had to charge for 1 1/2 hours! Diesel trucks aren't going anywhere for a very long time.
The government is already pushing it. California passed a law banning the sale of all diesel trucks by 2036 and the removal of all diesel trucks by 2042.
The thing is, the Diesel could have gone another 250+ miles (or so) without having to stop, whereas the Cyberwhatever would have had to stop what, another 3 times?
@@onecookieboynot to mention it takes four sets of tires because that cyber truck eats tires like I eat chocolate cake.
And the energy for the EV was probably generated with fossil fuel anyway. So you pay $12 more for the same energy!
@@rickwiggins283 No oil changes though.
Cool, so if you take a family trip from the east coast to say…Yellowstone and back is 3,400 miles. 85 mile recharges means 40 stops @ 1.5 hours each = 60 hours of charging, and 40 times hitching and unhitching your trailer. Fun !
Who wouldn't want that on vacation? Sounds like great fun.
Good luck finding charging stations for that trip
It's not 1.5 hours each, but yes, it would still be a lot of stops. It would be close to 60 hours on the road, driving, and a little over 20 hours stopped, charging.
No better way I would like to piss away my 102,000 Dollars 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your kids: "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
Wait until the govt starts adding road taxes to each recharge at the same rate they tax gasoline.
Oh yes, its coming.
Texas has a road tax that is paid once a year when renewing the tags on EVs.
Wait till the government starts taxing gasoline real high to get gasoline powered vehicles off the road!!
The government is going to make it impossible to drive a gasoline-powered vehicle they're going to luxury tax it to death!!!
Just wait till they start taxing gasoline and gasoline powered vehicles so high that people have to switch to electric...
It's coming... Good ole USA....
@@cjrod9443 That's not nearly as much as fees and road taxes on fuel. In some states, the price of gas or diesel is 20-35% government taxes and fees.
So, if it costs you $40 to "fast" charge, it could cost you over $50 with government add-ons. That's ~2x more than diesel.
You forgot that your time is worth at least $50 an hour as well. Making the Tesla cost at least 4x to tow with per mile.
Damn you makin $50 an hour
@@johnjohnson9431 450-475 in my no DEF Cummings. Automatic brakeset controller. Speed 60-65.
Wear and tear???? Compare the components. My Dodges don't break in till 150k. Anyone???
50 an hour??? I didn't even make that when I was stripping back in the early 90's. Good for you!
I work 40 hours a week. All my overtime is double time, so it’s worth 122 an hour for me
@@adamselby8024 Absolutely!
Your "Trip cost comparison" at the end should include "time to refill/recharge" to 100%. I don't know many people who place absolutely ZERO value on their time. In fact, for many of us, our time wasted is not simply income lost - but opportunities lost as well. Great job though guys - as usual. 👍🏻
I get what your saying and agree with your view but the "cost/value: of time" is Highly subjective and I'm all but 100% sure why it wasn't figured into the equation.
Based on my experience of towing travel trailers with all the wind resistance they have and you can really see a big change in fuel needs when you hit a strong headwind, meaning a stop every 50 miles, or so, and depending where you can recharge you are also at the mercy of where you can stop, not necessarily when you'd like to. The total amount of time lost would require at least one more overnight stop to travel to any distant destination. Also if you do overestimate your range and end up on the side of the road, what then, it's not like someone can bring you a gas, or diesel can.
Totally agree, over an hour per charge would significantly change the experience of any trip over 100 miles.
You can yourself from the data from watching the video. 3.4 minutes deisel vs. 1hr 29 min for the cyberthing
@@averyparticularsetofskills Yup - but read again what I wrote. I mentioned including the *time* - not a dollar amount. People can assign whatever they value their own time at.
Last summer I drove my 1999 Chevy Suburban 6.5 diesel from south NJ to Belfast Maine on one tank 42 GA and got 19 MPG During a heat wave 90+ degrees AC on the whole trip with front & rear air, packed to the top with vacation gear...Not bad for 25 year old technology....
In-atmosphere vehicles on the ground do better in thinner air. (Some lower end aeronautical vehicles that tend to prefer thicker air have worse range in thinner air, but some higher end aeronautical vehicles that act more like rockets or compress the air better for their engines and prefer thinner air have better range in thinner air.) My point: the CT would also do a bit better in that summer weather, too, but nowhere near as well as your diesel in summer.
Diesel engines are very often turbocharged so the truck will perform identical at higher or lower elevations. The air is forced into the engine above atmospheric pressure.
Make no excuses for that abortion of a truck
That gets better fuel economy than my V6 mustang...
No No No No No! You must be mistaken!! Your Government overlords are demanding that you STOP USING such technology right away!!
It's for your own good!! THEY know what's best for you!! They wouldn't lie to you would they?
So please stop using the 1999 Chevy Suburban IMMEDIATELY!!! ......(its for your own good)
Exactly that's why I kept my suburban it's a 92
I’m a trucker and I found this video interesting. Two full tanks and I can cover 1000 miles averaging 5.9 mpg towing 44,000 cargo and have been passed by the Budweiser brewery there. For some reason I thought those supercharging stations were free but I guess they are more expensive than diesel thanks guys great video
IIRC way back when Teslas first appeared free charging was included in the price of the car. Possibly for as long as you owned it? Anyone have better info?
@larder54
True, also as recent as last year they offered a year or two free SuperCharging on some of their top end cars as a promo. Typically the cost varies depending on the energy provider.
Home charging is where the real savings comes in. Here its ~$5 for 100 miles in our Model Y if charged at home and ~$10 for 100 miles at the closest superchargers.
@@aaronb7990And I'm running about $2.50 for 100 miles here in New Hampshire with home charging. 2022 Model 3 Long Range.
@@larder54between you and @aaronb7990, you've pretty much got it covered :]
@@larder54 yep...Tesla was and maybe still is trying to buy back those first Teslas that have lifetime free charging!
Loved towing with my 2011 3500 Cummins (6500 lb TT dry). Towed trailer and 4 family with all junk beautifully
1 hour of towing and over an hour of recharge. Pioneers moved faster. TFL thank you for your honest reviews.
In other news. When the owner takes his truck to work on Monday morning after his vacation, he doesn't sound like a garbage truck clattering
@BarryObaminable no he just sounds like a fart sniffing, pretentious douchebag the likes prius drivers.
@@BarryObaminablebut he look like one……
Nobody wants to sit around for 1.5 hrs,waiting too charge up! Imagine doing that in a bad area of the country?
@@299charles😂😂😂 solid retort.
Having to unhook the trailer just to charge is crazy
Why? You advocated charging stations that accommodate EVs with trailers when?
Tesla doesn't design parking lots, but it would be better if they did.
Design oversight. Forgot to ask real truck drivers.
@@lawrencewiddis2447 Because it's hugely inconvenient. What if it's lashing it down at night in a really dodgy area, where you want to be in and out as quick as possible. Wait no, got to fanny about for the next hour unhitching and hitching my truck whilst I'm shattered during a long drive.
@@lawrencewiddis2447 no but maybe Tesla should’ve thought of this. Why would they think of this because most people that bought this truck didn’t buy it for its truck capabilities. They brought it so everyone would look at them.
Excellent reporting, now do that test at -30C and see how far it will go
That was subtract another 60% of the range so another 51 miles would be missing that would leave 35 miles total range on that truck when it’s full. The cyper truck and all Evies are a scam.
don't forget hauling an actually fully loaded down trailer... so another loss on top.
Why would anyone do that? It rarely gets below 20°f . That's like saying we should test a jetski on the lake that's frozen ...
@@Mowers11it’s not that they’re a scam… it’s that EVs are simply inefficient at its core. An entire Kilowatt of power can be wasted in a mile. That’s ridiculous.
GREAT POINT.
My wife said it best, "might as well go back to horse and buggy." lol.
Than the dems would cry about the farting horses..😅
Amd smell like horse ass
Well too be fair a horse and buggy won't be towing a ridiculous load like that, and 70mph too.
So every hour I drive towing, I gotta stop another hour to recharge....Im gonna get so Fat and broke eating at Service Stations....😂
It would be closer to 30-40 minutes for every 1.5 hours driving. Not great, but not as bad as you're making it out to be. This is why EV trucks need a minimum ~200 kWh battery pack. That keeps you on the road for 2 to 2.5 hours between stops. For reference, a 400 kWh pack would give it nearly identical range to the RAM they drove.
@@newscoulomb3705 and you forget bigger batteries take longer to charge.. 🤡
@@newscoulomb3705 you are forgetting to add the time it takes to find a place to park the trailer, unhook, and re-hook it. It may only take 30-40min to charge then add 30 min for all the other bs you have to do before getting back on the road.
@@allengrier4767 No, I'm not forgetting. It's just too variable to account for. Luckily, I helped push the needle on getting charging providers to start installing high-power, pull-through stalls, and EV Tesla appears to be catching on now (yes, they are a bit behind, though). So depending on what chargers you decide to use on whatever trip you're taking, you might not need to detach the trailer at all (e.g., EVgo chargers at GM Energy, Pilot-Flying J locations).
@@newscoulomb3705 keep on dreaming chum. Meanwhile those EV's are charged by coalpowerplants. lol the joke is on you.
I have a 2014 Super Duty with the 6.7 turbo diesel, I hauled a 18,000 lb trailer 600 miles I stopped once for diesel. I was going up Interstate Hills at 1/3 throttle. The hitch is rated at 15,000 lb.
Kudos to these guys to work so hard trying to say something nice about this non-functional "truck"
Still they are good for the environment, but won't be as good for towing these ridiculous loads.
@@gt40f but it had nice instrumentation
@@metalmike570 I am unconvinced about the benefit to the environment. It's less efficient to use power due to the losses from generator to outlet~charger. I'd prefer to see electric axles and onboard battery pack along with an electric generator under the hood.
@@WaIIyMaven So you are saying you're a better engineer than Elon Musk?
I doubt that very much, but your ideas make me think he'd hire you. That's the only
way for innovation to evolve I did an about face on your comment!
Thank you for doing a logical comparison including refueling expense. It's even worse than expected.
I own a plug-in Hybrid, a Toyota Rav4 Prime. So I have some personal experience with plugging-in to recharge a car traction battery. PHEV's have gas engines and electric propulsion, so they combine traits of both. I can run on gas up to 550 miles on the 14 gallon tank, or up to 52 miles on the electric battery. And if I lived in a city with extreme cold winters, I would have to worry about Range Anxiety since the car would be running on gas anytime it's colder than 14°F (the lower limit to run in EV mode on this car). But pure-EV's have too many disadvantages for my comfort level. They cost too much to purchase and insure, they get terrible range in extremely hot or cold weather, they take way too long to charge on road trips, public Level 3 DC fast charging is 3 times more expensive than home charging and twice as expensive per mile as just putting gasoline in a regular car or Hybrid, and you can't take them into rural areas - the charging infrastructure is still concentrated along Interstates and major State highways.
Thanks!
I live in California and can attest… most Cybertruck drivers have never bought a truck before and can’t drive it well.
I am in Texas and everyone has a truck and many can't drive either.
Very popular at the ski resorts though
@@MyUniversalUniversity😊
No real man who actually needs a truck would buy a CyberJunk.
Most people can't drive.
I do not love or hate any truck. I base my purchasing on the results that the team at TFL Truck get in the testing. Seriously guys. You provide the exact information people want before they decide. I tell everyone to check out your channel. Thank you for everything you do. It is a tremendous help.
Yes. I love that they say "No hateful comments." I'm not a fan of EV's at all, but they may have their place with people who only drive a short distance.
@@camarokurtLike I've said before, EVs have a place. They are just not a replacement. 👎 No thank you I will keep my ICE vehicles
At least you can’t dump a metric f**kton of soot all over the place intentionally with the Cybertruck.
Electric vehicles can't tow heavy weight for long distances. Not yet anyway. What's different with the silverado??
The real world tests you have done on electric trucks has been very eye opening. Thanks. This is exactly what brought me to TFL.
Wait till you see how they mine up the batteries 👁️
I can install an aftermarket fuel tank or an auxiliary fuel tank on my diesel truck and drive anywhere from 1200 to 2000 miles.
How many batteries (and how much weight) does it take to bring a Cybertruck from 300 miles range to that same amount?
Can you even imagine anyone who hauls a camper wanting to stop every 90 miles or so (if even possible) have to unhook the trailer to (fuel) up and wait up to 90 minutes for each recharge and costs you more to fuel up? The illusion of green savings.
At least you got a place to dump
Yep
Trippin’ over a dollar to save a dime.
You have to remember this is a specific case scenario, hauling heavy loads long distance is not the use case for most daily pickup driving. Majority would be charging at home or work on 10c per kwh or less, not paying supercharger costs. A huge number of pickups drive around with groceries or the bikes in the back for the weekend day trip. If you compared the running cost to those situations, (which is the majority) then it's a different story. I'd like to go EV but sticking to my diesel jeep for hauling the 2.5t horse trailer for long distance shows.
Going a hundred miles is not a long trip for most campers. Maybe electric is the way to go for city folk. But I have a bunch of kids quads and a 43 foot long toy hauler. I’ll stick with my Cummings. 20,000 lbs go 300 miles before I have to refill my tank. The Cummings in this video could double the size and weight of the trailer and still out preform this truck that cost much more. I can fill my truck in maybe 10 minutes and the Tesla takes 1.5 hrs. What are my kids gonna do for 1.5 hrs in a truck stop. It’s not even a comparison.
When towing a camper, the last thing I want to do is un-hitch just to do a fill-up! Also remember that your range is less if you only charge to 80%.😢
Charge to 80% and never run below 30% or you'll damage the battery.
He used 95% to go 85 miles. But using 80% down to 10% would only be 70% of available charge --> ~63 miles 🥴
In 1 year will lose 10% range just like all Li-ion batteries, in 5 years will lose around another 10% so REAL range will be ~60miles and ~10miles to find a charger and even that no one would EVER do with an ICE vehicle. Most would never go below 60 miles range on an ICE vehicle. Oh yea ~30%-->50% reduction in range due to cold... Truck my aarse
EV is circling the drain as we speak
You wouldn't buy a raptor to tow a toy hauler. Same with cyber truck.
so up here in Canada when its -40 in the winter its range will be reduced by half lol
~100km in reasonable winter conditions towing. Leaving ~15% on each end for safety and battery protection (going 15-85) means stopping every 45 minutes, unhitching, plugging in, waiting 1.5 hours, paying C$60, re-hitching, and then you can drive another 45 minutes before rinse, repeat, etc.
EVs make zero sense for towing.
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 exactly, plus at about 10 years the batteries will need to be replaced, which is crazy
Not as much as you think, it's more like 25-30% for most EV's as they can claim back a little through keeping it warmer.
@@Tats2020 And not sure if it goes up for the Cybertruck, but what I heard is that to replace the batteries of a Tesla, they need to replace the whole undercarriage. Which is a big proces, and appearantly costs about as much as, if not more than just buying a new car. Which it basically is if you change that what makes a car a car, in my opinion.
In that respect, I think Toyota had a better idea with their Prius, being able to replace batteries without having to change everything else, as I've seen on the Chrisfix channel. And with older Yota's, like those first Priusses, that looked like someone who knows what he's doing could still do it himself.
Not sure if that's still the case with the newer Toyota's though.
also if the truck is left outdoors in that temperature the batteries will not charge well.
And that abysmal range was during good/warm weather. Repeat the test in Minnesota in winter while using the heater, the blowers and the windshield wipers on a battery that's already lost 25% due to the cold weather before you even start.
"Fuel" costs are one consideration, time spent at the "fuel" station is also a big difference.
The average gas pump delivers half a liter Diesel per second. That's 5kWh per second or 18 Megawatt charging Power. No super charger can deliver 18 Megawatt Power.
EV's are great for local commuting and home charging. That amount of power at home would have been $10 where I live.
If you can charge at home, or at work, and rarely drive long distances, then the scale tips the other way
@@philippeferreiradesousa4524 And who tows around ridiculous heavy loads all the time. I guess some retired folks but they have lots of time on their hands and can recharge with less worry.
Holy crap! You're actually asking the Cybertruck to do things that people expect trucks to do.🤣🤣🤣
Certainly glad that you're doing it so I don't have to!
The Ram is the right tool for the job, the Cybertruck is the right job for a tool.
Any diesel truck is better than the cybertruck.
@@HugoMendez-qy3lt ANY truck is better than a cybertruck, and I'm including KEI trucks in the comparison.
@@wolfman9999999 I do not disagree with you one bit.
Take the Ram truck away day over the cyber truck
@@wolfman9999999kei trucks put in more work for their size than most trucks. They’re designed specifically for service
One thing I didn't notice you mention -- it looked like the terrain you drove over was fairly flat. Where I live in the foothills of the Blue Ridge, we are constantly going up and downhill -- and some of then are pretty good inclines. Plus if we wanted to tow a trailer or a camper up into the mountains of NC, we're going up long, tall inclines. And out there in the Rockies, I know it would be worse, like up near Estes Park. It seems like that would greatly decrease your distance between charges. Can y'all test that, sometime?
35% more in energy cost ,charger cords too short, hours of charging time, etc,..., - I'm all in!
Don't forget the premium price for the truck itself.....
The Cybertruck only cost them $15 to fillup at home. It cost $38 to fillup at a supercharger. The Diesel cost them $25 at the cheapest diesel fueling station in the world. This was not comparable.
I was surprised that the Cybertruck made 86 miles. Pretty sure after a few updates it will do the same trip and get closer to 95 miles. Either way, Cybertruck was a beast. Very impressed.
So, this is the worst case for the Cybertruck. Towing cross country for recreation is something that a truck only does a small percent of the time. If you are retired and just pulling your RV around the country, the Cybertruck is no more for you than a compact car would be. The reason you get an EV truck is if you use it primarily in-town and then...10% of the energy cost with Off-peak charging, (no oil changes to pay for or sit and wait for), 3X the torque, charge in your garage with 0 minutes sitting at a fueling station. After 6 years of EV ownership, I'm all in!
@@davidbeppler3032 You're kidding, right?
@@davidbeppler3032 I know it's hard for you EV-tards to fathom, but TFL was doing a towing test. Meaning, they aren't going to be able to "charge at home" and have to do it on the road. They weren't just driving circles around a home charger towing a trailer but rather on the highway traveling.
Can you comprehend this? EV trucks, suck....
The Cybertruck brings new meaning to the phrase ‘low range’ in AWD pickup trucks.
Easy solution. Just carry extra 5 gallon cans of electricity with you.
I would say gas guzzler, more like electric guzzling? Here come the blackouts 😂
@@bobchamp3159 Electron guzzler.
@@bobchamp3159in Canada we have gas guzzler tax. Wonder if it would apply to ev’s
Just mount a diesel generator on the bed, easy. /s
Thanks for this comparison drive. I thought you answered a lot of questions I had.
As a commercial truck driver the one comment I have to make about the Tesla is that not having mirrors that allow you to see beyond yor trailer is a definitive safety hazard. I am always checking the mirrors on RVs and other private haulers I am behind to see if they can see me. This truck can't. I am a dedicated Smith System driver and using those mirrors would not allow me to drive correctly.
On another topic, the Cybertruck is the only vehicle I have ever seen that makes an AMC Pacer look sexy. Nuf Said.
Nash Metropolitan looked better than that mf
In the video he did say there were cameras that helped a lot - because of the small mirrors.
Depends on the time of day and location in California too. I paid anywhere from 32 cents/kw to 60 cents/kw. That's pretty wild when the cost can almost double from one Supercharger to another!
The cyber truck is made for showing off on sunset boulevard, where the bullet proof qualities come in too.
LOL true
Basically a liability supercar fused with a truck and balanced each capabilities and rich user satisfaction into one vehicle
It’s not bulletproof
@@gifthorse3675 ignorance as a person
@@gifthorse3675 The stainless steel is bulletproof. So I saw a thumbnail a dude is going to fire a 50 cal at it!!! Man I think they mean a pistol bullet not a damn 50 cal!!!
Can't help but notice the Tesla vision system continuously freaking out about the large vehicle tailgating you the entire time.
But Tesla software is flawless and ten years ahead of the competition. Ask any fanboy.
Self driving next year, since 2012?
fsd actually works well since v12. So many Tesla haters for no reason.
@@Areku06 lol...they sell overpriced garbage! Plenty of reasons to hate. Make a cheap car that is used locally only...you might actually have something. Fit and finish of a Tesla is comparable the the junk GM was making in the 80's. Need spare parts? Sorry. Want to fix your own tesla? Sorry. A huge overpriced nightmare. No thanks!
@Areku06 v12 only huh 😂
Why does everyone complain about the horrible range but fail to state that it takes HOURS to recharge it? You can't always find supercharging stations and when you do a lot of the time there is a car or three there charged up and the occupants are inside eating
That's far from accurate, and I own a Model 3. It takes a little while to charge, but not hours. I am done in 20-30 minutes when it’s really empty. The Supercharger network is extensive, and it’s easy to find one in areas where people drive a lot. They are also divided reasonably between major cities. I’ve traveled a lot with it. As for you saying people squat on chargers, that can’t be further from the truth. Idle fees occur for every minute you sit there beyond your charging point, and it gets expensive quickly. You’re either repeating rumors, or what I really think is happening is you’re making things up as you go along.
I think with the higher voltage system it was supposed to be able to charge faster, but that isn't set up yet - for some unknown reason. So if that was enabled, it could in theory charge in like 30 - 40 minutes. But... it's not.
They've just shown how long it takes to charge, so how can you say it's wrong? If all the other chargers were in use the charge power would drop by half, causing even more delay...and what if you had to queue to even get on a charger?
I don't even know who would buy an electric vehicle if they drive far enough to need to fill up while they are out driving.
I've never stopped to charge my electric car ever. Just plug it in when I get home, and my average day tskes about 40% charge.
If you can't charge at home for 90% of your driving needs, seems silly to go electric...especially for towing.
why would you even buy a electric car at all when they still make cars that run on fuel, they cost less to buy and to fuel up. there is nothing a electric car can do that a car that runs on fuel can't.
Out of curiosity me and a friend compared the cyper truck more to an suv than a truck. How would it compare in this test to a Tahoe or something like that?
I’m a hybrid/all-electric fan. I think for daily driving in town, they’re fantastic. HOWEVER when it comes to towing even light loads, skip the battery and go get a diesel. Nothing beats the range you get from a diesel.
True, and most pickup truck are gasoline.
Its unfortunate that you can't add a stand alone generator to an ev instead of being hybrid. The generator would be easier to replace and maintain and cheaper. You would only need it in certain situations as well. Overall emissions and fuel economy would be better than ice and you get the ev torque.
Same here. I have a Mach-E we drive 15k miles a year, and an F350 diesel we drive about 4K miles.
New gas trucks tow well. Not as well as diesel of course, but my crew cab long bed Super Duty with 7.3 liter Godzilla and 4.30 gears can tow large trailers unbelievably well. I’ve towed 15k pounds with ease. And I have a 48 gallon tank.
I’ll add the caveat, gassers tow well too. My comment was based on the comparison that TFL did in the video. There’s a place of EVs, but we haven’t reached the point quite yet where they will replace a pickup that tows regularly. I know we will get there in the near future but current available technology/cost will push this out a few more years.
I did an 8,000 mile road trip over 2 months towing my travel trailer in 2022. I would still be trying to complete it if I had the Cybertruck.
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It depends on the weight as they said in the video. The Cybertruck was over it's towing limit to make it look bad! In reality it should never be used in that capacity.. You'll need a much larger EV for that weight!
I thought they stated it was slightly under its max towing. I think let the consumer decide what works for them. Also competition never hurts.
The weight as towed was under the teslas max. You could double the weight tied by the dodge and it would still have more range than what the ct did with the weight in the video and for about the same money. Ev’s just aren’t competitive in the consumer towing market if you intend to tow over a 50 mile radius from your home.
@@Naplesfran the 2500lbs was max bed weight not max trailer weight. It was not overloaded
I had no idea that the range on the Tesla would be so low. That would be a non starter for most anyone towing any distance at all. I tow a 28' Airstream with a 2nd gen Ram/ Cummins, 400 miles isn't an issue between fill-up's with my rig. Thanks for an honest video of the facts.
If the low fuel light is on, 15 min to refill to full, maybe?
6 minutes or less, truck stop diesel pumps are fast.
The Cybertruck wasn't really designed for this purpose, almost anyone can see that.
I’ve seen a couple cyber trucks here in Casper Wyoming. They are a strange duck to be sure. Probably nice for around town, or an overnight trip to a town close enough to charge an return home, but I like to take a matter of minutes to fuel up , not hours. Plus when the battery needs replaced , how much is that . And what’s one worth as a used truck with a battery that’s say only half gone 🤷♂️
Tesla: I have 15 cameras to help with towing, tows 85 miles and dies on side of the road....
you will need those because you'll constantly be pulling up at tesla stations that are not at all made for trucks with trailers
Tesla Cybertruck can be purchased with the optional trailer with a 25kW diesel powered generator and charging cable. This provides greater mileage between refueling. 😂
LMAOOO😂 if I ever saw that I'd yell out the window what happened to ur daddy elons soymobile
😅@@ichetuknee
@@ichetuknee Ah hah and it wasn't even mentioned.
"Whoops I'm puttin in gas!" I got a good laugh from that. As a diesel pickup owner it is clear to my family that no one, under any circumstances, ever, ever, fills the tank of my dmax exept me.
I’m a jet pilot and we say gas all the time and never fill our own tanks 😂
Same here with my Cummins. The wife asked if she could go put gas in it, cause she wanted to drive my truck. I said, no you can’t put gas in it. It’s diesel, it doesn’t take gas. Lol
One of my buddies had a jacked up diesel pickup wouldn’t let anyone drive it one day his daughter’s car was broken down so he said you can drive it this one time lol.She put gas in it locked it up tighter than a drum!!
Haha what? Bud i owe ev, gas and diesel. In case you don't know, you can NOT put gas on a diesel truck because the fuel pump connector is completely different. It will NOT fit a gas pump on a diesel truck fuel connector. So no your family will do just fine putting diesel in a diesel truck with a diesel specific fuel pump. No gas or ev pump going to fit in there. Ask me how I know 😂
@@vm2003in the US you sure can. You must be looking at the Semi Truck pumps with the bigger nozzle. Normal diesel pumps use the exact same nozzle as a gas one, Just a different color.
When I tow with my F-250, I often refuel at the truck lanes. Those pumps put out ~60 gallons per minute, so it literally takes 30 seconds to fill my tank.
Fill that guzzler up quick and get on your way!!!
The Cybertruck is an okay car with limited uses as a truck.
You guys are awesome!!!
Use the right tools for the job, probably the best advice given in the video. Great video guys, this is more “truck work” than the average truck owner does on average
Why would u even buy a truck if it can't do it when needed though.
@@G82Watts That's a question for Musk, preferably after he's out of a K-hole
What job exactly is the cybertruck the right tool for?
Grocery getter as long as it's close...@@wurstbrot1772
What are you talking about? They just towed one trailer. Almost anyone with a truck tows something at some point.
Thanks for the accurate and straightforward test, guys!
As a big proponent of EV’s thanks for actually testing this.
There’s so much hype and rumors that people throw around but facts are what matter. A lot of people would just dismiss it without even trying.
Who has the money, you may be able to test drive, but that’s not putting it to a real test. Everyone’s different, their locations, weather, terrain etc
EVs are awful for the environment (mining heavy metals, other minerals not needed in internal combustion engines) and run on coal. Not even close to the lies greenies have proclaimed about them. Not to mention they are inconvenient and super expensive. And the grid cannot handle the electric draw. The only thing good about EVs is the acceleration, which isn't much.
@@meritholdingllc123 I’m seeing the price slowly declining, the grid slowly getting more hydro and solar and less coal, and most importantly I’m not seeing anyone building refineries in their backyard…
How about this fact;
Only 5-6% of truck owners actually pull with their trucks. Especially heavy loads like this.
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Seeing this video justifies my discontent for the Cyberjunk! I love the convenience of my 2018 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins. Towed my 68 Buick skylark from Illinois to Kentucky and back with ease and didn't even break a sweat.
I have no interest in buying a Cybertruck, but I appreciate and enjoy your informative and fun videos. Keep up the good work!
My F250 Diesel Super Duty pulls my 5th wheel without breaking a sweat. It will still be doing it 200,000 + miles later, long after the Cyber Truck has burned up its batteries. Those smoking batteries and the replacement truck can't be good for the environment. No one ever looks at the long term.
Absolutely, but I'd rather be cummin than strokin though 😂😂. Old guy joke 🤠
But seriously, as an old grey haired guy, duel citizenship, I have some EVs in Germany. The maintenance in cold weather, power outages, and NOONE HAS TESTED THESE VEHICLES FOR LASTING vs COST! I have! In Germany I have several in the family. I'll take a Toyota, Honda, and of course a VW without a lot of out of pocket maintenance. Here in America, ALL diesels at every one of my homes and ranches. Multiple states.
Cattleman's association bought a cyber truck to test. Negative! Sorry Elon but through the mud pulling small 18ft trailer and feeding cows, nope! Recharge every night. Quick charge, all you guys out there know what a quick charge does to batteries.
Now for fun! My old 2WD 24v Cummins drug the cyber backwards with ease. 99' with total locker tranny and rear end.
On another note, "Rancher looking for young strong girl who likes tanning! Must be able to hold 2 solar panels on truck roof to charge batteries"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Serious country girls apply within! Must love the Cyber truck cowboy lifestyle!🤣😁
Y'all heard about that bucees that burned down??? Negative on them Tesla stations at that location. Can't go into TX and travel across country as a 240v or even a converter will help when out of power!! Remember, this is a duel motor that uses more electric and wear and tear. But in the end as I love to tell vegans, that nail polish remover and gear grease come from the cow! Facts matter!😎
yea and most people are too dumb to know thats been debunked.
The long term is those batteries are not going to last forever, i have heard, for a car, over $50,000 for whole batter unit. So i am guessing we are seeing The Daimler Motor-Lastwagen is the world's first truck, manufactured in the year 1896 by Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft and designed by Gottlieb Daimler. Basically the 1900 version of it.
No one is replacing EV batteries and no batteries are catching fire except for the drama you see in media. EV fires are 1/10 petrol fires. Certainly though this test fails the EV truck in hauling. Few people I’ve talked to ever plan to tow heavy wt cybertruck
@@flyingyakdeath I own many EVs, you will be replacing those batteries the more you quick charge. What did it take to fill up my diesel? 5 minutes. EV , full charge 🤔🤔🤔. My Cyber is sitting in Germany. Works ok. I also upgraded range and more power with duel motors. We've had EVs in small towns in Europe quite some time. You should maybe look at when the first EV was invented. There's people like me that actually buy and test. Have tried a Lucid? Lightning?
The Tesla is a truck designed by people who have never driven a truck for people who have never driven a truck
Perfectly put!
A lot of people who try pick up trucks wouldn’t know how to pound a nail into a board. Tesla is a horrible company run by a horrible man named Elon Musk. What else would you expect from Vladimir Putin‘s girlfriend?
The mirrors were only a thing because of laws they couldn’t change. They figured cameras would work, even when you’re towing
Weighs so much that you would need a class C truck licence here in the UK but that isn't a problem as the sharp corners make it illegal here anyway
Considering most people that drive a truck don't need it..
Thanks for the comparison, I'm not interested in a cyber truck because of its looks, but I have been curious of towing and cost effectiveness.
Everyone always says how busy their lives are. Who has time to sit and wait for your vehicle to charge?!😂😂
I'd be so damn bored stuck at the recharge station for over an hour waiting. I'd lose my mind.
I love the excuse they gave too for roadtrips. Oh its for your break. My break is the 5 minutes it takes me to fill up my tank.
300 miles seems optimistic if you never take EV to 0%, only recharge to 80% to save time and battery life, and drive 78mph with the AC blasting. I bet you will be stopping every 150 miles.
Towing would be an issue but most ev charging is done at night while you are eating dinner and watching TV
EVs are only for rich people with heated garages, home chargers, and second gas cars, then they’re better than gas, no stopping at a pump. If you don’t fit this category, you likely shouldn’t be looking into one.
I knew it was a joke but I didn't know it was hilarious.
Try Moving your car collection cross country with such a Diesel Pickup Truck in comparison to an actual Semi Truck. It takes the same amount of Diesel per Mile - when loaded with 27 tons (54.000 punds) of cargo, compared to how much? 9t (20.00 0 lb) if its a really beefy truck and trailer combination. You would need to go 3-4 times as often all the distance and have to use 3-4 times the amount of Diesel. So lets stay with the saying: Pick the right tool for the right job.
How would I know? A friend of us had a private collection of old trucks, offroad cars, spares and truck repair eqipment to move over a distance of 600 miles - he tried to do it with his Range Rover with a trailer first and soon found out, that he could simply not afford it. Getting desperate he then bought a used semi for 6000 dollars, borrowed a trailer and we were absolutely blown away what an efficient combination that was. Ah and let's not forget: The semi does the whole distance without refilling, easily ^^
@@genius1a well now your comparing a pickup truck to a semi truck, why wouldn't you compare the diesel semi to an ev semi? or do I need to compare a semi to a train?
@@timessiah94 *My 3 engine train is even MOAR efficient, and I can carry other people's loads, so I ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY, when I move my car collection from one side of the country to the other, every 2 months.*
@@timessiah94 Why should I? I don't care where the power comes from, it can be Gazoline, Diesel, nuclear fission, hydrogen, coal fire,... as long as the whole machine can do well, what I want or need it to do. Yes, The Tesla S ist absolutely hillarious when it comes to transporting cargo, but the Lamborghini Aventador is even more ridcolous for that. Use the right machine for the right job!
A better question would be: Is there any role, a Tesla Semi can do better than a Diesel Semi? Yes: How about heavy cargo, that needs to go over a mountain on a regular basis: With the Diesel Semi you need Diesel to go up, afterwards you can brake downhill to maintain low speeds using a retarder that dissipates heat to the air. With the electric Semi you roughly need half of the primary energy used by the Diesel Semi to get up there - and going downhill you get 70% of that back on top of that by regenerative breaking. Do that 10 times a day, through the whole year and you will find, that a Diesel Semi would be way more expensive to run.
If you ask me, which I would prefer for getting stuff done or transported, the Diesel or the electric Pickup: Neither of them. I live in a country that can be pretty cold and wet, I love my Diesel Volkswagen Bus. For the huge inside space and the smooth ride. Recently I put a skidoo inside. Works! Would I take an electric Volkswagen Bus if it was of decent price and range? (200 miles real life would be sufficient): Absolutely! The Buzz is not an option. That's just a van trying to mimic the original Volkswagen Transporter.
Oh, how I wish that George Carlin was here to do a classic stand-up take on that God awful freak mobile. What a waste of resources.
Last week I saw a cyber truck on I70 going from Ohio into Indiana towing a Airstream camper. I thought to myself at least they have a nice place to sit while it charges.
except they have to unhook it when charging and someone will steal the trailer even if they put a hitch lock on every time LOL
Thank you for an honest real world comparison. As good as the cyber truck maybe , it’s just not designed for hauling large trailers over long distances. As for the Ram Cummins truck , Dodge has many years experience building trucks and it shows in this test.
Legend has it, the Cyber Truck is still charging 🔌
L O L!
Have some faith it made it another 85 miles now he’s waiting another 3 hours just to make it back to the first station
😂😂😂😂😂That's a greaT one!😂
hahaha ...
I think if you're catching flack from EV haters and Tesla fanboys, your coverage is probably fair. So keep it up!
I tow a utility trailer with an EV fairly regularly. Its small enough it fits within the slipstream behind the car, so its not terrible for impact on range, even if its full of soil or gravel. I've towed it as far as 160km and used about 60% of the battery.
As you say, pick the tool for the job. Long haul, high windage trailers are probably a no-go for EV towing.
I do want to echo the max payload test someone else suggested though. If you do that, and pick a payload that sits lower than the roof line on the CT, I think people will be surprised at how small the impact on range is.
Which EV are you using?
That Semi setup near the end of the video was so sick. 😂 It would be a dream to have something like that to live in
Right? Hahaha that's all I could see.
I said this when they got rid all the bus stops. Lol
Could that sway Andre was feeling be from the trailers being empty? Was there anything inside? Like a motorcycle, side by side?
Hoovie is having windshield washer issues is it the same on this one???? Nice to see the Lumina Mini Van back on the road !!!!!
Hoovie is a bozo who just makes stuff up for views
Lumina were better looking.
I forgot about the lumina mini van. Those were rare!
@@JoeyBeez
Cybertruck. Its the deloreon of trucks. Lots of stainless and will only be seen in museums in about 15 years.
Until somebody fixes it with a flux capacitor.
At least we got a cool looking 80s tome machine that could still run today, can't say the same for the cybertruck… the batteries won’t be good in a few decades and no culturally important movies are coming out with one…
There are still plenty of Deloreans around 40 years later. There will be zero CTs on the road in 2060 or even 2040 for that matter.
They have a self destruct feature. Burnin down, the house 😂
And honestly the Delorean was the better of the two. Better range, cooler doors, better looking, and literally cheaper even adjusted for inflation. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't amazing in any of those categories, but it was still better than the Cybertruck.
I just pulled a trailer of almost identical weight and proportions from Lake Havasu to Harrison, AR. This includes a long uphill from Kingman to Williams. Over the 1650 miles, my ‘06 Chevy 2500HD with the 6L gas engine averaged 9.4mpg. It took a day and a half, partly because I needed a trailer tire in Oklahoma.
See, this is one of the things that has been puzzling me since watching the video. Why did the Cummins only get 10mpg? I expected considerably better. 30yr old Cummins would have done much better.
@@jjwagnell my 2004 Ram 3500 with the 5.9 Cummins gets 11mpg towing a travel trailer similar in size to the ATC in this video. These guys were going 70mph which is a little faster than I typically tow. These travel trailers just generate a lot of drag at highway speed.
Very fair and unbiased test on heavy duty towing. Quickest acceleration won’t help on long distance towing definitely. I don’t think I will see many cybertruck towing trailer home going the distance. Very simple math and physics and mechanical engineering lessons. If anyone wants to tow a big and long motor home cross country, don’t even think about a cybertruck.
Just got back from a cross country round trip hauling a 9000# 33' camper. Got 15mpg and didn't have to use brakes on the mountains because of Ram engine brake. Even handled the 70MPH winds in NE, OK, CO. 6 campers tipped over. Anyways, gets 25mpg and 700+ miles per tank. 08 Ram 6.7 Cummins. Done with Ford.
The 6-in line Cummins engine, even in the pre-common-rail (pre-2004) Dodge pickups, was a great workhorse. My '98 is only 5.7 liters, with a VP-44 injection pump, so it's only 225 hp and 400 pound ft of torque. But I have the NVG-4500 5-speed manual transmission, so there's no fluid coupling loss like you get with the torque converter in an automatic, and in third gear, it pulls my 7,600 pound trailer up a 7% freeway grade at 30 mph (2,000rpm) effortlessly. Manifold pressure about 24 psi, and "load" reported by the OBD-II about 40%, and coolant temp 190°F, so nowhere near the engine's upper power limits. I get 14 mpg towing this trailer at 55 mph, and 22 mpg empty - 770 miles of range on the 35 gallon tank. The truck is pre-Catalytic Converter, pre-DEF, and pre-DPF. You can't even get a new one with a manual transmission. They will pry the keys out of my cold dead fingers, but I'll never replace this old Dodge for a new one. It was fully paid for in 2001, DMV and insurance costs me $250/year. And it still has only 105,000 original miles. I'd be crazy to replace it.
Roman: "I have 3/4 of a tank left." Andre: "That means you can go three times the distance!" 🤣🤣🤣
Maths is not their strong point!😂
The gauge is always off, you usually get more miles in the first half than the last half.
@@chaydonofallon1352 You're a simpleton.
@@46I37 But he's right.
@@chaydonofallon1352 That is true. I have the Banks iDash and it reads correctly all the time and I always compare the two.
Looks like it's gonna take longer to charge than it did to get there.
but but but... "you're going to be stopping for lunch and dinner anyway"
@@Gyppor Every 80 miles??
@@tomkrause62 It was an attempt at humor. EV proponents always use that line when you point out that charging part way through a road trip will take an hour or more.
I guess cybertruck drivers will be sitting down for a meal for an hour for every 75 minutes of driving.
@@tomkrause62 well American obesity rate is only 40-44%, must reach at least 80% and the Cybertruck is here to help, lots of stop lots of good dinning :)
And trip cost once depreciation, servicing, battery replacement etc. is taken into account?
Not to mention as the Tesla gains high mileage, the battery decreases rapidly that ram will have the same mileage until it dies
The battery doesn't decrease rapidly and the ram will lose efficiency also.
As soon as a single cell wears out it acts like a load for the entire pack
@@rickywoods3101 the ram will lose 0 efficiency if maintained properly the cyber truck won't you'll eventually need to replace electric motors and batteries way before needing to repair the ram but its all irrelevant if you like the ram you buy it and vice versa just cause you like something doesn't mean you have to hate something else it's pointless, as someone who's not a fan of electric vehicles I still find the idea cool af however not feasible currently.
Do you believe that? 🤡 @@rickywoods3101
@@rickywoods3101The Ram will lose nothing but gas.....that can be refilled in 5 minutes.
Well, bless your hearts for really trying to make the cybertruck seem like a viable option. I mean you guys always try to show EVs in the best light, but the reality is they just don’t do truck things well.
I don’t think that was their intention at all. even the dumbest among us know the E vehicles are losers.
@@jamesweir2943 I think they are hot garbage too. My point is these guys always try to make it sound like there is still a reason to buy one.
EV’s are just golf carts. If you’re only putting around town then sure buy one. If you want a car get an ICE.
@@utilityart that wasn’t my take away. in my opinion, they were mocking the Tesla.
@@christiandruan Then why are they faster than your ICE vehicles? So they don't tow heavy loads good, so what. Not designed for that. Faster than your guzzlers and zero emissions. Think about it because your didn't!!
I don't own a truck yet, but I really enjoyed this video. I liked the way the hosts communicate their moment-by-moment experience and compared in real-time.
Someone pointed out why didn't they use their phones and hands free bluetooth in their trucks? Safety first right.
Some stock tires on travel trailers are rated 65 MPH. Maximum MPH will be molded into the tire. Have a look at yours before doing 70+. Blowouts could roll the trailer, which would be kind of expensive and dangerous.
BTW apparently you have to replace trailer tires every 5..7? years, regardless of mileage.
Cool video that wasn’t biased. I’ll look forward to more of your content on RUclips.
Roman is hitting the nail on the head with the "right tool for the right job." If this was me, towing the ~70 miles between the lake and the house I would take the boat to, with my electric rates without supercharger, that would be about 7.50 (I pay .07/kwh) and it would make complete sense.
Would gladly road trip it with just the truck, but a 1000 miles with the cybertruck and a trailer is just not an ideal use case for it.
Thanks for the vid TFL!
Hope you had a charging station within 15 miles of your lake. Otherwise you would be stranded coming back from the lake on your return journey. They got ~85 miles before needed to recharge. I agree for very short round trips OK, but not for anything longer.
When it takes you about an hour to go your 70 miles from home but 1.5 hours to recharge for the return journey, plus the same hour for travel would not make most people happy.
Even using your example, the right tool for the right job. Who would buy a truck just to tow a boat to a lake 30 miles away from you. If you had to stop and charge you would have to wait way over 40 mins to charge. What if you had to get back because you had an emergency or had to go to work. There is no situation that an electric truck is useful, compared to a diesel or even a gas truck. Even a car is not a good tool for any job, but you could make it work in the case of a car. You just have to live with all the down sides. If the gov would stop making everyone who does not have an electric car or truck, the price would be astronomical. It is a bad idea for any vehicle. Except a bicycle or a hybrid where your don't have to rely on the unreliability of a battery.
@@greatwhitenorthcanada9600 it really depends on the trailer, the route, how you drive, etc. In other test people were able to get up to a maximum of ~160mi of range while towing with the same car (But that's using 100% of the battery). Just because they got about 86 miles of range with 93% of the battery, doesn't mean that the Cybertruck would give you similar performance while towing a boat.
Depending on the lake, you may also be able to charge the car at the destination (even if it's just a slower AC-charger, not DC fastcharging). If your truck is charging while you are out on the lake enjoying your boating trip, that doesn't cost you any additional time. For any EV, the time loss to charging becomes meaningless, if you overlap that time with things you would have done anyway, like eating, boating or using the bathroom.
Finally, Tesla is planning to offer an option to put an extra battery in the bed of the truck to extend the range by about 36%, which could be a bit better for this medium distance towing scenario.
That diesel price is insane. $2.949??? It’s normally well over $4
Isn’t where the diesel is at $4+ the electricity also more the $0.35 pkh?
$3.99 here in Holland Michigan
In Australia, that’s $65 of diesel
It is $3.49 a gallon here in south Texas.
Yeah diesel here is the equivalent of about $9 USD. And our superchargers cost the same.
Something I noticed when showing side views of the Tesla towing, the trailer is not level. It is lower in the front than the back. Was this due to the hitch needing to be raised or will the Tesla only accomondate hitch heights up to lower level than this trailer?
What have we learned today? The cybertruck isnt a truck.
We all know if they called it the Cyber Super El Camino, it wouldn't sell.
I think we learned that when we learned there was a cybertruck
Its definitely a Truck Not.
neither is your sh!!ty 2010
@@DaedalusHelios I dunno bout that. El Caminos were pretty popular. Still see them around even.
Maybe if instead of doing what they did, they targeted the epa created void that is the light truck market, they could have really had something. There's a *whole lot* of guys out there that aren't needing to tow campers and huge boats but want a light utility truck to do things.
Then again, maybe not. Maybe the batteries are just too heavy to make a light utility truck style EV practical. What do I know?
While fuel is more expensive in cali, the super chargers are also more! I don’t understand these people that are comparing cali fuel prices to Colorado charger prices. Using current prices it would cost $3.27 more for the trip using fuel in cali but how many hours and headaches would be saved using the Ram? Electric is garbage unless you are puttering around the city.
Yep. Electric is AWESOME for city driving. No doubt. Blows gas out of the water for sure. Not so for road tripping.
the average cost of home electricity in Texas. $.143/kwh, so he really used $16 of electricity and is now recharging with $35. Huge 8000lbs trailers and cyber trucks are not a good combo, but nobody said they were.
@@texmex9721 so we agree, trash as a truck yet fun for a mall crawler.
@@bigfuturepreschool Like 99% of the ICE pickup trucks on the road? Except much faster. Yea.
@@texmex9721 you do you.
Thank you for your time.
Your videos have really changed my life
And my production, professionalism and self standard all went up to an all time high.
Hi great video. Every 80miles you have to charge the tesla cybertruck. I had plans of towing a 8k pound trailer. I was expecting to get 150 miles. But to see and hear only 85 miles at 70 mph.thansk for the review b.
Gotta test that 2500 lb payload. Maybe a pallet of landscaping rock? See how those 6 lug hubs handle it.
Lmao you want that tesla to breakkk
I am really skeptical that Tesla actually tested payload. They just heard Elon say "Make it bigger than the others" and arbitrarily chose that number.
I don't think anything good would come of this, But I would love to see it!!! 🤣
Could just use the water totes that they’ve used in past videos to load trailers. 1 cubic metre is good for 2200 lbs.
It will probably do 1 mile or less 😂
When all you can do is try to calculate if your vehicle can get from A to B, it is too stressful to drive, even occasionally.
You are easily stressed
This is truly life with any battery electric vehicle, if you want to take it outside of the city or town you live in. And don't forget that you also have to "calculate" where a charging station might be, along your way. Yes, we have seen that it's all possible, but especially in rural areas, charging stations are simply few and far between. And just look at Tesla's "supercharger" situation now -- gosh golly, does that sound like they're going to build new charging stations all along the deserted highways you travel on? KEEP DREAMING. I'm not "against" zero emission vehicles, but I think "charging batteries" is simply "the only way we can do it" right now, and it's just ridiculous in many different ways. There is no way I can believe that humanity will be "charging batteries for hours" to get acceptable range with motor vehicles, into the future.
@@tom_hoots ok, but lets revisit what they sell EV's as, a replacement for fossil fuels, no? well then, what fuel their recharging stations, most likely its coal.
so you haven't escaped fossil fuels with EV and you have the added cost of conflict minerals liike cobalt and lithium. now price that 20% over the competition, under-deliver on features and restrict your customer who purchased the vehicles from reselling for a 12 months.
what exactly are they selling people? its like they did zero market research and just moved because they have ego driven man-child at the helm. i can't wait till tesla stock corrects and the brainless fanboys lose their live savings.
If you aren't towing, the Tesla does a great job of telling you when and where you need to charge. Simply plug your destination into the map. Most other EVs are decent at that as well.
Range anxiety!!
Thanks for another interesting video, the Wh per mile consumption of EVs when towing is over 1 kWh per mile, meaning they need a 300 kWh or larger battery just to be able to compete with gas or diesel trucks, not to mention that harsh winter days and headwind make things even worse. I don't think EV trucks are ever going to replace diesel trucks for people who tow a lot, at least not in the next decade.
The elephant in the room would be how long it would take to charge up.
@@TheSledgehammer205or on what power grid?
Towing a lot is fine as long as it’s not highway long distance
With AI reaserching battery solutions, you'll have a Flux Capacitor of sorts by 2030 and then go coast to coast on a banana peel and empty milk carton
Towing for any distance anyway. Towing max weight for 40 miles to a job site then back at the end of the day would be easy enough. But nobody wants this truck for that anyway.
Perfect and insightful road test. Confirmed what I already known. Right tool for the job (exactly) Cyber truck is perfect to take your trash to the local dump or towing a load from your local big box DIY store. . Leave the real work for the big 3
The irony of it costing more to charge the electric truck than fill the diesel for the same work done is just absolutely bonkers. Great comparison and video!
You are forgetting most EV owners charge at home where the cost is about 1/3 of a supercharger cost.
@@monaezytwo6513 And this has nothing to do with an actual road test
@@monaezytwo6513 I'm not forgetting anything, I'm just choosing not to point it out because that kills all the fun of the irony. It's a truck that can't actually do truck stuff at any practical level unless its within 35 miles of home. As someone who has pulled trailers the entire length of the country a few times for work I really appreciated that 50 gallon tank of diesel. I could go about 600 miles per tank WITH a trailer.
The real irony is that for 9 gallons and $25, diesel gets you 330 kWh. It's silly for towing EVs not to take advantage of that level of economy and density with a generator range extender. EV trucks should be plug-in hybrid. Pure BEV is so impractical to even consider.
@@mdocod Yeah, ALL EV trucks fail at towing. Just about every other 'truck' tasks, EV trucks dominate. Period.
Great honest review guys. Just FYI, if you turn the hitch over with the ladder pointing up, you can adjust the hitch higher, that way the trailer is level
yes the fact they didn't know this kinda drove me nuts
Yep, and they also could have lifted the truck higher it looks like. As much as they tow, they still don't know much about towing. Kind of scary.
They tried that on the Ike test - the bumper is in the way. Another tow fail by the Cybertruck.
You can clearly see in the video that the bumper is in the way so they couldn’t turn the hitch over.
@@mediocreman2I enjoy reading comments like yours get so summarily destroyed by others.
Everyone who is involved in all TFL videos does a great job at reviewing along with great camera work. I'm very happy with my 22' Maverick, but it's good to know what the industry is offering and how pick-up trucks do in real world conditions. Same for all the other TFL channels I've seen.
EV's are great for people with time on their hands (one of our local casinos has a bunch of Tesla superchargers), but those working for a living probably will be sticking with gas and diesel conveyances. Great video showing the practicality and impracticality of EV's.
Here's something I need to mention...those trailers are friggin BALLER!!
What the hell does that mean? Speak English not ebonics.
@@JohnWayne-kx7nd I was speaking English. You're just stupid.
I couldn't help to notice that Andre was very nervous with this exercise.
When is he not nervous 😂
Andre’s entire schtick is to be the nervous Nelly. The TFL boys are certainly honing their craft by developing a cast of characters. Andre is the Barney Fife of TFL.
Why nervous when he has an ICE vehicle just a walkie talkie SOS away? Real world anxiety is sitting alone along the freeway calling for help.
@@derekk6906doesn't matter. How are they going to charge it sitting on the side of the freeway?
When you figure the cost of the Cyberjunk, remember time is money. The Ram didn't need to stop!!!
Also remember that EV's are extremely heavy and tires wear out quickly.
They require special tires and at the dealership cost about $3,000 per tire.
Also thr battery pack lasts about 4 years at an average cost of $ 45,000 .
@@truetexan7755wow
@@truetexan7755where did you get $3K per tire for ev?
@truetexan7755r It does not cost that much for tires and does not cost 45K to replace betters. You are over exgerating your numbers. Telse battery replacement is under 25k. and that includes the disposal cost.
Simple. CyberTruck is for occasional towing. If you tow a lot, you buy diesel.
I'd be terrified towing in a cyber truck. Putting extra strain on the batteries and sitting on top of a potential thermal run away. I would have tools in the car capable of smashing out the windows in case I needed to escape and the trucks electrical system would not allow the doors to open.
You're definitely correct about all of that.
But the windows are "bulletproof" 😂😂
@@TMJ32 Really it's the stainless steel though, if it makes you feel better.
im more worried about the thing your towing coming loose from the truck since the hitch is not up to standard
You can't smash out the windows in a Cybertruck, at least as easily as you could any other car. They're total deathtraps.
I used to have a camper. I can tell you a few things about towing. Most people that pull campers only drive at a maximum of 65 mph. Also, a 28-foot trailer would be considered a smaller sized trailer and for a toy hauler it's a very small size. Most trailers are in excess of 30 feet, and some are even over 40 feet.
It's not the length - it's the weight - Cybertruck has it's limits just like any other vehicle!
lol “most drive 65”. That is just made up horseshit.
@@Naplesfran people should understand that's a small trailer that was pulled only 85 miles, not a big heavy trailer. There's a big difference. It might be fine for hauling your boat to the lake if it's not very far, but it's useless when it comes to pulling any weight at all as proven by the comparison with the 3/4 ton diesel pickup truck.
The Refrigerator wins in the category of “portable road block”. Everyone passing André has to slow down and gawk.
😂
lol so true and corny. I’ve seen 3 in my city and everytime people are staring at it
Being from Jersey I've been calling it a squared off mobile diner...refrigerator is a good one. If i would ever to get an ev I rather have the lightning.
Its a megabloks truck. Not even lego
Polygon on wheels 🛞📐🛞
It is great to see this Tesla golden child being tested for what a truck is suppose to be for.
once in a while in general, but yes, that is a surprise.
He kept referring to right tool for the job but subtly or not so subtly failed to mention what job space Karen’s pride and joy was designed for exactly. If it’s just to garner stares you can take your clothes off parade around naked for free and get more looks.
That's what trucks Used to be for. My dad would haul 8 drums of resin in his 60 something Chevy with a Tommy lift... 8 x 540 lbs. Now trucks are very popular metro man caves.
Electric cant power a truck lmao it’s impossible to be reliable and good with range
I wanna see somebody load the bed with dirt or concrete blocks etc
I already knew about how far you were going to get and that trailer is 5000 lbs lighter than my 5th wheel. I get 12 miles to the gallon and my diesel is 22 years old. I’ll keep my old truck but thanks for the info boys. Good job as always.