Should You Use a IPA Wipe Down - NO!!
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2018
- SCOTT WITH DALLAS PAINT CORRECTION & AUTO DETAILING IN PLANO TEXAS TALKS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF USING A ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL WIPE DOWN ON CAR PAINT
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As a paintless dent repair tech with 25 years in this business. We glue pull dents with hot glue sometimes, and sometimes on the same spot many times. We remove the glue left on the car with 91% or 99% IPA. so sometimes it’s been all over the car especially on a hail damage vehicle. We even prep the surface with it. Don’t know of any paint issues from my industry.
I use IPA to finish the cleaning on glass and mirrors, it seems to remove the car soap residues very well and bring the clear transparent back.
I have used 50 IPA (91%) and 50 Distilled water... have used it for years on all types of cars and paints. it is safe and have never had a coating fail. IPA on!
i usually used IPA 91% and no water...lol..no paint failure
@@vandalov777 jesus
Why just 91% though? Can't you find 99%?
@@tiagosa1773 lmao
Is IPA safe to remove overspray paint sprinkles from your car paint?
If your worried that the IPA is too aggressive, then dilute with 50% water it will also give it a longer flash time to work with.
IPA is used in nearly every manufacturing companies where its used to clean delicate substrates & equipment
As a DIYer, I will use CG's Decon/Iron remover first all surfaces of my semi-dirty car, then wash with CG's Clean Slate to remove all wax/sealants, then clay bar with CG's clay block V2 and luber, then IPA wipedown (@15% concentration w/distilled water since my CC is soft), then polish/paint correct using CG's VSS and orange pads with my HF DA (removing lots of swirl marks on 8 year old paint), then IPA wipedown again, then apply TW Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray coating, let cure 24 hours, and apply this again. Following all product directions of course. Enjoy!
I just followed that exact process. Thanks for confirming
Great info! It's funny how so many people bite the "don't use circular motions because circles are harder to remove than straight line scratches" jargon but when it comes to this which has chemistry to back it up they think your insane... the fact is a scratch is a scratch regardless of direction and there are product made to strip paint...
Finally somebody telling it...it’s not about flash time when it comes to removing oils, it’s just chemistry.
Let’s begin by looking at the various factors that affect IPA in terms of its solvent abilities. The ability of a solvent to dissolve another substance (the solute), lies in the solvents ability to surround each molecule of the solute with many solvent molecules. IPA is a polar solvent. The hydroxyl group of the IPA molecule has a significant separation of electrical charge, in effect giving it both a positive and negative end. The electrically charged “end” of the molecule will attract those soils that are composed of molecules or ions that are themselves electrically charged.
But the organic molecules that make up oils, grease, and other hydrocarbon residues are nonpolar and have no positive or negative parts that can be attracted to the oppositely charged ends of the IPA molecule. Therefore IPA has little effect in dissolving such soils. Some oil and grease may be physically carried away when hit with a stream of IPA, but it’s the force of the stream that knocks the residue away from the surface and not the dissolution of the residue in the IPA solvent. Since real world cleaning situations involve removal of handling soils (oils and grease from the skin) as well as ionic contaminants, one needs to use a nonpolar hydrocarbon solvent to dissolve the oils and grease as well as a polar solvent to remove the salts.
All who use IPA as an oil and polish remover DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING! And there are a lot!
I rest my case!
You are absolutely correct. Which is why you don't see body shop guys using IPA for...well, anything.
nailbomb3 I even degrease with 3 different ones to be sure! Alcohol based as well but for sure a solvent one. As you said, “degrease a car before painting with a IPA solution and see what happens with the layer of paint! ;)
So what is an universal paint prep to use? I use paint prep by optimum but according to this it may not remove the oils from fast correcting cream
Please folks Does anyone know what.means that IPA swell clear coat???? My english and...google translate not helping me with what swell clear coat means.
marios kosmidhs Sure. It make it clear coat make beeg boner in los pantalones
Looking at MSDS sheets for CarPro and Gyeon a good dilution is 25-30%. Basically a dilution of about that much only temporally softens the clear coat and makes it more acceptable to scratches for a short period of time. Which doesn't matter if you are polishing or applying a ceramic coating, however when buffing new wax right after a wipe down you might cause micro marring. So only use it if you need to and have a polisher.
Well that sucks! I just did a graphene coating on 2 of my families cars using IPA. I sprayed it on heavy and did each area twice so wish me luck. Glad I saw this before I did my S6. I'll still use an IPA as a pre cleaner for a commertial panel cleaner. The "paint swell" only occurs above 75% according to several other sites I've seen, I'm using about 20%.
Thanks Scott. I think products like CarPro eraser, gyeon prep and other paint prep products have replaced IPAs. I like to use Mckees37 n914 rinseless at paint prep dilutation ratios and I feel it works very well and safely to prep the paint prior to LSP.
It can be hard to gauge though how much of the polishing oils/ lubricating oils are removed especially if you are maintaining a vehicle on a weekly or monthly basis and either topping up the LSP or reapplying the LSP everytime you maintain the vehicle. I get your point about these products potentially not working to remove other manufacturers products but how does one qualify that?
Regardless, appreciate the time you take into making these videos and making us think about detailing products and methods.
Curious on your opinion on using Odorless Mineral Spirits. I was recently reading a older article from Mike Phillips called "How to mix IPA for inspecting paint correction" The Percent Volatile is 100%, which I believe means it evaporates 100%, leaving nothing behind after use. He claims it is better than IPA, although in the article he is explaining proper dilution ratios for commonly bought concentrations. The article is 7 years old. I was thinking about doing some testing using this. I always use DupliColor Body solvent.
So Scott, if you have no idea of what was used/applied to a car's finish what would you suggest using? Honestly, this is the first I've heard of it (although I'm not a pro) - just trying to do what's right and not "harm" anything on our cars.
Good video. A minor clarification: what you want in your prep solution is not just solvents (alcohol is a solvent), but degreasers. You are exactly right that the alcohol evaporates too quickly to dissolve the oils long enough to get them off the car. I don't think damaging the clear coat is really much of a danger if your IPA is around 20%. The problem is that it is just less effective.
I’m late on this video but while I do agree that IPA has its place, I do also agree with Scott. I have used IPA and frankly, it looks clean until you take a light to the panel you just cleaned. I get streaks and haze all the time. I have had better luck with body shop solvents.
I Always use 99% IPA 1:1 ratio with distilled water with clay bar and before polishing and waxing my black Saab Aero. No problem at all and seems to work very fine. I don't care if there is a small spot of oil left on the clear coat. My car just hit the 275.000 KM and looks like new!
Not the best idea to be using it as a clay bar lubricant as there are no lubricant properties - if you want something cheap make up some Optimum no rise - works perfectly for quick detailing as well as clay bar lubricant. I tend to use dilute IPA in between polishing sets and then give the car a once over with eraser before applying any sealants or coatings.
Thanks Scott for the video. What do you recommend for new cars before applying Jescar? We have a BMW X3 with metallic white paint that has had Meguiars hand wax applied. Duplicolor states not to apply their product on paint less than 6 months old. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Mother makes a great product called panel prep. I would wash the car, clay if needed ( which it probably will be), wash again, panel prep and then sealant. I know it's a lot of work but you'll get the best results that way. Wash your car and after it's dry put your hand inside a zip lock bag and rub it across your paint. You'll know immediately if you need to clay.
Courtesy of Dr. David Ghodoussi, Optimum Polymer Technologies
"There is a lot of confusing information about solvents in general and IPA in particular. Let's limit our scope to cross-linked (enamel) clear coat finishes since that is the paint system on the majority of the cars we are talking about. Although there are many different paint systems being used, in all cases with this type of paint, IPA or other solvents will penetrate the paint and cause some swelling. Depending on the solvent, the degree of swelling varies and in some cases like with methylene chloride (within seconds) and MEK (within minutes), it can swell it to the point of delamination. IPA and mineral spirits do swell the paint but not to the same level of course.
As the paint swells and expands, it also becomes softer. Since there are many different types of paints being used, some paints might soften to the point that even a gentle wipe down might cause micro marring while others may not mar even at much higher solvent concentrations. That might explain the variations in some of the observations different people have reported.
While fast solvents such as IPA may fully evaporate at higher temperatures (e.g. 90 F) within hours, slower solvents like MS may take several days before they reach levels below 1%. But the notion that the solvents may be trapped in the paint forever or that the paint will soften permanently is absurd since clear coat paints start off with anywhere from 20-70% solvents and if this theory had any validity, then all paints should stay soft and/or some of the solvents should be trapped within the paint forever.
After this brief introduction, let me respond to your specific questions:
Is IPA safe for paint and in what dilution?
I would follow the recommendations of 10-25% IPA in water as a safe cleaning solution. The reason for this wide range is due to the variations in the clear coat paint systems. Therefore, when dealing with a soft clear coat or for those who notice a great deal of softening effect, they should stay at the lower end of the range while others can use the upper limit. Of course, the greater the percentage of IPA, the faster it will remove the oils.
Does it soften the paint either temporarily or permanently?
While straight IPA or even 70% IPA can soften the paint excessively, as you increase the water level, the softening effect drops exponentially. In any case, as I explained earlier the softening effect is temporary."
Thanks for this!
This sounds like as definitive an answer as we will ever get or ever need. So IPA solutions = Yes, but with a little caution.
Or use a high quality polish and wash the car a couple of times.
Thanks for the inf..exelent..
Thank you, this guy in the vid really sounds like he knows his stuff but takes it to the extreme without actually going in depth with the information given to him
10 years ago, everyone recommended 15% IPA with distilled water. Now I see some of the big boys recommending 50/50 mix. Not sure what to believe. I ended up using Gyeon Prep before my last coating. Will the coating last longer? I guess only time will tell.
Dang it ! I can’t get my hands on duplicolor or rustoleum here in belgium..
Is motip600 like a good alternative?
I just bought a couple of IPA, to mix 50/50 to detail my truck. I was doing it due to the videos. I'll use it and get a dedicated prep for the new car.
Appreciate the video Scott.. but Jason killmer... Larry kossila.. Kevin brown.. Jason rose... All use ipa and yes some cases dedicated prep chemicals like gyeon Prep (also alcohol based) all the best
Hey Scott.. what would you say is the best paint prep to use other than buying all of the other ones?
Good point about sticking to brand systems/product lines. Makes absolute sense.
What solvent would you suggest?
If you are interested, try Koch Chemie Fw (fleckenwasser).
Bear in mind that most detailing products on the market have IPA or other solvents in them to some extent. Liquid waxes and coatings which need to be left to flash off or haze before buffing in particular have a lot of solvent in them, and allowmuch more time to penetrate into the clear coat than a simple wipe down with dilute IPA. But is it a problem, no not at all, as long as you follow the manufacturers instructions such as allowing the correct cure time (the cure time includes however long is required for the residual solvent to evaporate back out of the clear coat.)
People suffering problems after using IPA are more likely to have the issues due to not removing all the oils left by the polish rather than the IPA itself, perhaps some coatings contain solvents which are not compatible with IPA but this problem can be solved by just allowing a few hours to ensure any residual IPA evaporates. Or it's just due to them applying coatings in poor conditions such as in direct sunlight or below the dewpoint, and they're looking at IPA as a scapegoat.
Since retiring and having the time to detail my cars myself I started watching "how to" videos on RUclips and I've noticed that all of them are just like the "how to" fishing videos. Fisherman who do "hot to" videos all claim to know of the best equipment, and gear to use, and which lures to use in any situation. The best way to tie on and use lures in any water temp, color, etc. - It's the same thing with car detailing experts. They're all certain they know best, but if you watch enough of these videos you'll notice they all contradict each other. This guy explains exactly why you should never use isopropyl alcohol and it's takes 30 seconds to find several other "experts" who will explain why using iso alcohol is an absolute must. - What's funny about it is, if you use isopropyl alcohol the way it's supposed to be used, do you think you ever would've noticed it didn't "have the time to pull and dissolve high quality compounds and polishes" or "flashed too quickly" or "raised the paint?" Probably not. - I think all of this is proud guys who have a need to pretend they know more than everyone. That's why they make these videos.
You make a great point about differences between brands and whether to stick within a product family.
I find that Griot's BOSS creams are very easy to remove, and they wipe off cleanly.
I found Menzerna polishes to be "oily" by comparison. With this in mind I tried Menzerna Control Cleaner following the use of Menzerna polishes and found it to be next to useless. I swore that is was water in that overpriced bottle, so go figure. :)
I think the biggest challenge is that it's hard to know when the surface is prepped. You can't tell by looking. Everything is important: the type of polish, the technique, probably even the type and number of towels being used can't be ignored.
Griots is the best
Great video tks. My wife’s can was parked under a tree and was covered in tree sap. On removal of the sap it looks like it has marked the clear coat (like water marks) everything I tried failed to shift in including my DA with a medium compound however I am not completely convinced that it’s not just stubborn residue. I was going to use 50/50 rubbing alcohol/ water so not thinking of using it to strip a coating but to remove mark. Any advice from any detailers most welcome!
So Scott if using an IPA panel prep is not good for clear coat, what do you recommend, is the Dupi Color tar & wax remover a good safe product to use????? Thanks
I enjoy your videos, great info for a beginner like me. Quick question, can pad cleaning sprays(chemical guys?) also be used as a paint prep, would cut down on number of products one has to keep on hand.
Thank you for the info! I was wondering if using ample of Hand Sanitizer Gel in hand and grab door handle, then the surface of the handle may be affected. Since it has more than 60-70% alcohol, I guess it is not good for the parts.
Scott can you clarify me here bro please? I see many detailers that after polish the wipe off the oils etc when they are going to seal the paint. Normally it is with an IPA. But if you do not want to seal the paint, do you have to wipe off those oils, residue etc? I am asking as I have seen cars that have just been polished and buffed but you still see grease marks and I have seen the same in freshly painted cars.
I am not sure if I am making a point here and if I am being clear enough.
Cheers buddy
Is the swelling permanent or temporary? If temporary, how long does it take for the swelling to subsides?
best time to final finish it...
What about using a general Prepsol (Preparation Solvent) being a clean refined petrol type hydrocarbon solvent. Surely that will sufice for all paint preparations. Spray painters liberaly use this before the paint to remove contaminants silicones and waxes etc.
Funny I just ordered a bottle but just came across this video. Might just send it back and get my money. Thanks for the video.
Meguiar's Wash Plus+ or Detox prep spray to remove old wax?
Hello Scott, do you dilute Dupli color or use it straight?
Thanks
you scared for me there for a second Scott, thought you was changing your technique and not using a paint prep at all! had no idea theres a difference between a IPA and Paint prep. Instead of making it on your own your better buying a true manufactured paint prep. i agree, bought me some dupli-prep and cant wait for my very first detail! love your videos, keep them coming
You know almost all paint peeps are IPA right? Also just as anything in detailing industry if you water IPA it won’t cause swelling and have a longer flashing time
point well taken, but would not an IPA wipe remain very applicable to each step of sanding and compounding ?
Hello scott
Does it safe to use Optimum paint prep befor using cquartz coating?
TOM A did you not watch the video?
Question? What if you have something that’s painted without the clear coat finish on it. Will the 50\50 ruin the paint? I just use it for cleaning sticker residue and oils. Can’t tell of any damage, but to be honest , I really don’t know enough about it. I have read and also been informed on here of using a very low ratio of isopropyl and will mix my solution very weak from now on. Thanks
Hey what do you recommend to get off dirt in the seam of the side clear paint protect film .... someone recommend IPA but just saw your video so looking for another alternative thanks
Exactly what I needed to know. Thank you..
I want to use it for a vinyl chrome wrapped car to apply Halo ceramic coating you telling me i shouldnt apply it beforehand?
What else can we use to remove something like Jescar? Duplicolor seems pretty harsh for a ceramic coating. Any other recommendations?
OK, I'll try it here.....is the Sea Foam stuff safe to use on PPF?
What about using a mix of a degreaser and dish soap in a foam cannon and just washing the car? If any IPA it can be 8:1 IPA mixed with dish soap 3:1 and degreaser 3:1. That should cover all the different oils and stuff on the paint when spraying it through a foam cannon that will automatically dilute it even more.
Man I love lots of your videos but this is absurd. IPA wipedowns do not swell clear coat. IPA products like Eraser or GTechniq Panel Wipe are not 100% IPA. They are diluted products. Also, who is spraying IPA products directly on the paint? You spray the towel, wipe the panel down with the towel and move on. It flashes so quick it wouldn't have time to do any harm to the clear coat. Where is the data to back up your claims that IPA swells clear coat?
I compounded yesterday and used IPA mix after. Do I also use IPA after polishing before I seal and wax? Thanks.
Lol I spray directly with 50/50 and I havent seen any loss of integrity or “swelling” to paint... It’ll take much stronger products than that
@@MrGflan yup
@@vincealince_SRT question, im just polishing and waxing. Can i use ipa after polishing then wax?
@@peted7687 that’s correct, you want to ensure no oils, residue or contaminates to give the form of coating best possible bond to direct paint(clearcoat)
I’d agree with you if you’re using straight IPA. But if you dilute it (correctly) then it’s fine and recommended and has been in practice since before you were alive or detailing. And diluting fixes all issues you just mentioned such as evaporating and weakening the clear coat.
Putting aside the question of weakening the clear coat, dilution does not solve the problem of evaporating but worsens it. Oils and similar substance are soluble in alcohol but not water. The weaker the solution, the less effective it is in the first place. As the alcohol evaporates much faster than the water, the solution becomes even less capable of dissolving oils. To make matters worse, the alcohol causes the water in the solution to evaporate faster, too. So, pretty quickly, you are just left with same sludge that was on there before, just a little wetter.
Was the ipa used before applying sealants or also between rubbing and waxes?
Does a 50\50 ratio of isopropyl and distilled water hurt just the clear Coat? Or does it hurt the paint also?
I clayed the car and then polished it but didn’t use a IPA before ceramic coating . The paint to begin with was like new , have I screwed myself with this coating not sticking ..?
So what should I use after polishing and before applying a paint protection coat?
6 months later still waiting for a reply. Thanks dude
I have a buddy who cleans his bikes and cara with a cheap $1 can of Glass cleaner. This seems like it would strip wax?
Thanks for this video, Scott! This is the best potential explanation I've found for why my application of CQuartz UK only beaded water for 2 months on my new truck as I prepped with Megs Ultimate Polish and followed it with an IPA wipe-down. I've have to try a body solvent next go around.
I've heard it Optimum paint prep does a great job and is safe for today's clear coats. Anyone else heard this?
Could we use Varsol it’s a odourless solvent ? Here in Canada it’s a popular product that’s used in cleaning paint brushes and other stuff as floorings
Thank you, Scott.
Ok so when do you use it the 50/ 50 with alcohol then ? And what do you recommend using to strip it instead.
DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THIS GUY, I HAVE USED IPA PANEL WIPE FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND HAVE MADE MY OWN, I'VE OWNED THE RESTORATION BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND MY ADVICE TO YOU IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU MIX YOUR ALCOHOL WITH DISTILLED WATER, NEVER TAP WATER ALWAYS DISTILLED WATER, YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE BETWEEN 12% AND 17% AND I LIKE TO ACHIEVE THE 12% IDEALLY, FIND YOURSELF 50% RUBBING ALCOHOL AND A 32 OZ QUALITY SPRAY MASTER SPRAY BOTTLE, AND THEY HAD TWO PARTS DISTILLED WATER AND AT THAT POINT YOU WILL HAVE A 12.5% SOLUTION WHICH IS EXTREMELY SAFE AND WILL REMOVE ANY AND ALL CONTAMINANTS AND BUILD UP FROM WAXES AND SPRAY ON SEALANTS AT THAT POINT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO APPLY YOUR CERAMIC COATING BUT YOU MUST FIRST CLAY BALL THE VEHICLE WITH A SPEED BAR NOT THE ACTUAL SOAP BAR WHICH IS GARBAGE, THEN CORRECT ALL YOUR PAINT AND THEN GO TO YOUR PANEL WIPE IPA, YOUR SURFACE WILL BE IN PRISTINE CONDITION FOR APPLYING CERAMIC COAT OR ANY QUALITY SEALANT YOU DESIRE. NEVER APPLY A CERAMIC COATING OUTDOORS AND NEVER GET THE VEHICLE DAMP OR WET FOR MINIMUM OF 12 HOURS. THERE NOW YOU HAVE THE TRUTH ABOUT IPA PANEL WIPE DOWNS.
He must mean undiluted/not diluted enough. Expert detailers making bank wouldn't use IPA if it was damaging or ineffective. Unlike nearly half of the country, expertise means something to me 😉
I have never had any problems with IPA wipes. I use 99% isopropyl alcohol diluted 50/50 with distilled water. Works perfectly fine.
I learn something new every time you upload a video. Thank you for the information. My idea of how to detail cars over the years have evolved thanks to you.
This is the vaccines-cause-autism equivalent in auto detailing
Vaccine injury compensation program paid out 4 billion since it was created. Maybe we will see an IPA wipedown program soon?
I spent 30 years in the medical field, will not entangle myself in this discussion on this format. But will say that perhaps you haven't reviewed the arguments from the "vaccines-cause-autism" camp. I can tell you that I personally know of a case. That is not to say that I'm making a correlation to the IPA swells clearcoat comments. I'm a relative newby on this topic.
@@papatorr3669 to what ratio where they didn't cause autism?
Isn't there an inherent risk with any vaccine of much worse? Death? But how many are complete healthy?
@@tobihall2247 Good points all, of course. One very good suggestion is that they space the vaccines over time and not give a baby several at once, and not until they develop their immune system a bit more.
@@papatorr3669 I have no doubt vaccines have been the result of many health issues... but surely they are the exception to the rule... that doesn't make the issue any easier for the poor babies or their parents, but unfortuneatly its unavoidable... don't think it forms the case for anti vaxing mentality which is so prevalent these days... especially when you factor in what benefits they are missing out and society as a whole misses out in due to these people...
But... 2020 right?
What product you reccomend to wipe down Brand ?
if it is so volatile that it doesn't dissolve greases ansd waxws then it's not on long enough to "swell" the hard clearcoat?? !
i was noticing something similar wen i was doing an older white van, using a cheap wax and grease remover tho, tried 3 different towels and all 3 looked like it was moving the excess left to right lol, finally "looked like it 'came off after a couple of wipes , but would rub off with my fingers turning them white with ease , sealed the van anyways so w/e was on there got smeared in or buffed out removing the excess of the sealant , only charged $100 AUD for a 1 step and protect with ultimate compound and jetseal ( dont hate i have alot left over from last yer doing my own car with v34/38/ xd).
keep up with the vids, im loving them, tho i wish Australia had some more availability , im thinking of investing in a menzerna line before going public .
in your eyes can someone advertise car detailing without offering an inertia package other than a vacuum ?
I use it as a pre paint wipe down. Its far cheaper than DX440 DX330 from PPG
Great video, first time I’ve heard of this. So if I do a paint correction, I should put the ceramic coat after just wiping the last stage of product off with just a microfibre cloth?
No.
Why would Kevin Brown recommend it in all his training?
I dilute my IPA with distilled water (about 35% dilution) have had good results and the distilled water ensures no minerals or other residue is left behind
What about a SAR silicone adhesive?
I may get judged or destroyed by asking that but, couldn’t we use dish soap (wich are good on grease) or even something like SuperClean or Meguiar’s super degreaser to remove that oil?
Never use dishsoap you will destroy your paint its to strong or any degreaser use IPA its safe this guy is just talking crazy
since you post this i had read a lot of this, in good way i always want to learn but sometimes have many choices it make your job more dificult, i understand untill IPA won't removes complete and won't let clean the surface. i have 2 request first interior Glass and windshields with finger prints and little humidity and fog caused by the summer and the test the was ps21 wax carnuba how will u apply and what do you think on that product. i'm from Dominican Republic i just can get stuff from amazon or Ebay the only way so for me as detailers sometimes make stuff more difficult god bless you and thanks for you patient and peace.
What would you use to remove road tar slung up from the wheels due to road construction?
Others say use gasoline.
I use gasoline. Haven’t found anything that works as well. I’ve.been told kerosene or diesel oil is as good.
What if you don't have any high tech coatings on your car yet?
Does body solvent like duply swell clear coat as well ?
Please folks Does anyone know what.means that IPA swell clear coat???? My inglish and...google translate not helping me with what swell clear coat means
I use "Turtle Wax Bug & Tar Remove" amazing product !!! found out about it when I had my car covered in car from very bottom up to roof (NIGHTMARE !!!!) I ended up spraying that turtle product waited for couple of minutes and the stuff just dropped down !! on another ocassion I had a friend puke outside window stomach acit desolved inside my paint/wax coating lol another nightmare but again turtle saved me and I just reaplied coat of wax
How did a guy from Jersey get down to Dallas? Or is it Philly?
Can I use antisilion eraser from car paint industry?
when you mix IPA with water the alcohol molecule absorbs the water, swelling the H20, thus making water wetter acting as an anti surface tension ( in laymen terms ) . This makes a subtle chemical reaction with waxes and sealants thus dissolving them almost instantly. It would be the same as spraying your vehicle with water 24 hours a day until the waxes wear out, same principal only IPA and water mixed do it in one application. This guy on this subject is 100% wrong. The problem with many wax and sealant removers like Chemical guys or Meguiars products is that they are formulated to remove their product, if that. A 20% mixture of IPA and water is sufficient in removing just about any product on the market, I will even put a little APC in the solution to further the aid of removing sealants. I wouldn't advise using straight IPA, it's much to harsh and evaporates very quickly, Mixing it with water will make the water wetter and stay on the surface longer allowing the IPA to dissolve the waxes and sealants.
Bingo!
I like your explanation better but can you tell me what % of alcohol please?( what strength)
@@joemontero725 %20 is enough.
This is absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, the dumbest thing I've read on the internet in a while. "Make water wetter"...now I've heard it all. Where do people come up with this nonsense?
So does Dupley body solvent swell clear coat just curious
What is Remede product to use then ?
I have seen so many conflicting opinions on this while trying to research this question. I will say one thing-you are the first person who has offered a possible mechanism to explain the potential for damage. Other sites have said that "IPA won't dissolve paint or clear coat, but it will make paint susceptible to UV damage anyway," immediately before implying that "rubbing alcohol" is full of ethanol, which was about the point that I stopped listening lol. Point is, isopropyl alcohol "swelling clear coat" causing damage that will accelerate the clear coat's breakdown is the first legitimate attempt at an explanation I've heard.
I see a lot of other people insist that isopropanol is used in the detailing industry all the time to no ill effect, but that would be reasonable to expect if the damage caused were not immediately obvious, and rather that the isopropyl alcohol increases the clear coat's susceptibility to UV damage over time. So I imagine the only way to get a definitive answer to this question would be to a long-term test. Maybe someone can take the hood off a relatively new salvage car and divide it up into three parts, wiping down two of the sections with different dilutions of IPA, and wiping the last with only water as a control. Repeat every six months over 10 years or so. I would be a hell of an experiment, but I imagine it would give some pretty definitive results. It sounds like something Project Farm would try.
APC is a solvent and degreaser? would that work?
Whats recommend by you to get pine tree sap off. Been told to use this method.don't want to chance the paint, just want to sap off.
So what would you use then to prep your car for ceramic coating?
Yeah i would like to know what you use too? I was just searching how to get waxes off cars and every video I watched said use IPA. NOW I am Confused!
Randy E wash the car with dishwashing liquid a few times. It’s what we did back in the day to get rid of all the compound and polish oils off before we hand glazed and waxed. You can also get two spray bottles one with the soap and distilled water and other bottle with clean distilled water, wash and wipe rinse wipe and let dry. If that takes away from the shine then instead of 50/50 isopropyl and distilled water use 30% isopropyl and 70% distilled water for your IPA this way your still only using isopropyl and distilled water and no other harsh chemicals like the soap.
How about washing the car with purple-power-soap to remove the oil residue before applying wax or sealant? Would that work?
Yes and no because it will leave its own residue just like any soap.
Also lets see a video about it ''swelling the clear coat''
MyDraw you should spend some time at a auto body shop:)
Maybe you're talking about a different alcohol based product, than what typical high end detailers use.
Maybe he should. Because those guys use real grease and wax removers, like Spies 7010 or PPG SX330.
@@nailbomb3 I been using prep solvents for over 40 years and now it's a no-no?
@@dallaspaintcorrectionautod8343 he made a good point you obviously can't counter. I would also love to see the swelling of the clear coat LOL what rubbish :-)
Even if you cut it 50/50 with water?
Just to inform you...SONAX made a can spray paint prep product, i dont know what is the cost in US but i think maybe you gone like it ...greeetings from Athens Greece
marios kosmidhs it’s crap! Did you really test this?
Yves Dytail no.i didnt. ,that is why i would like an opinion for this product because it is availiable to my country. It is realy that bad??? Thanks sir for your.answer
What do we use instead then?
I’d say a lager ….
To be fair to the comments, IPA doesn't remove much. Apex detail did a test on this and tested quite a few products and IPA was the least effective. He also likes this channel.
I notes that when i used that why i change to rust oleum wax and tar remover you think this product is better
Links? True Body Solvent? I couldn't find this with an Internet search. Thanks for tip not to use IPA products on car paint but how about being clear on the alternatives?
IPA is the best thing to use diluted right it's safe and is great to remove anything left over after polishing, it's cheap enought to use liberally and you don't want it to stick around that long after wiping over and IPA will not damage the clear coat unlike solvents that can weaken and thin the clear coat ....
MAKING YOUR OWN IPA IS THE BEST WAY TO PREP YOUR SURFACE ONCE YOU HAVE CLAYBAR YOUR CAR PROPERLY AND CORRECTED ALL YOUR PAINT. YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE WHAT'S KNOWN AS A 12.5% SOLUTION, SO YOU NEED TO PURCHASE 50% RUBBING ALCOHOL AND ADD TWO PARTS DISTILLED WATER AND DISTILLED WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, THIS WILL GIVE YOU A 12.5% SOLUTION OF IPA. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS CLAYBAR THE VEHICLE AND CORRECT ALL PAINT SURFACES BEFORE APPLYING YOUR IPA AND THEN PROCEED WITH YOUR CERAMIC COATING INDOORS ONLY WITH THE CERAMIC COATING
Ever use Pre-All by Klean-Strip?
Ok what’s inside a paint prep alcohol yes they might put other stuff but main ingredient is alcohol I stick to my $99 alcohol bottle and water some degreaser that’s it don’t need to spend $16 for a gyeon 16oz wish is the same
Allright, I`ll bite. How come automotive paint is tested against and is compatible with toluene and benzene, but would react with IPA? How come several of the biggest automotive chemical manufacturers recommend the use of IPA if it’s harmful? Looking forward to your reply (-:
Scott is a great detailer his technical know how of compounding polishing is second to none. However when it comes to chemistry his explanations can be absurd. This one is kind of bad because it arrives at the wrong conclusion. 25% IPA solution or less should not make the clear soft, should you use IPA ? Yes, if it is 25% and below. His other video about car wash pH is quite absurd as well but his suggestion made sense. His chemistry explanation often made my eye roll but i dont visit his channel for chemistry lessons so i just choose the good from the bad.
OblivionDio the only way to do it right just like back in the day is to wash the vehicle several times with warm to hot water and dishwashing liquid to strip as much of the oils off then a rinse with distilled water. But why not use a 40% isopropyl and 60% distilled water and wipe each panel down a few times. This way there would be chemical reaction to the clear coat and it would definitely remove the oils and waxes. I believe ipa is a gimmick to make make money. Just wash it and blow dry the car. Why not just use a dedicated paint prep that removes oil and grease the correct way?
@@subrotoxing8214 he's a detailer with NO academic chemistry background
I've cut and polished a bunch of vehicles and have seen many do it here and in person.....everybody is doing their panel prep and post polish clean with IPA (25% or MORE!)...professional body shops....places that work with paint day in and day out. IPA seems to me to take all kinds of oils and greases off a panel ..... this is strange advice that it's very bad.
@Salvatore Guidone what I was saying is the companies that sell an IPA solution bottle already premixed to the clueless are making the money. You can buy a bottle of isopropyl alcohol for $1.50 and a gallon of distilled water for $1.00 and you can make a lot of it. Companies are selling premixed in a spray bottle for $6-$10, it’s ridiculous.
The Dupont product doesn't seem to be widely available.
Has anyone ever used a diluted SuperClean to prep the paint and strip waxes?