Nick Kypreos' take on the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2023
- Sid is joined by Nick Kypreos, host of “Real Kper & Borne" on Sportsnet 590 the FAN to discuss the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
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I don't always agree with Sid, especially when it comes to the Toronto Maple Leafs, but he is absolutely correct when he says you don't give Kyle Dubas MORE money and MORE power based on the results of the last few years.
That's under the assumption Kyle had power in the first place. I think he WANTED it. There are a lot of chefs in that kitchen.
Dubas did an unreal job 3 of the for years we got beat out the first round the teams made it to the finals , this year it will prob be Florida who is gonna win the cup , to be honest the playoff format is fucked , Dubas gonna kill it where ever he goes
Me too, I did listen to his show on Friday and have to agree with Sid it was a great listen
@@v1llian30 after he messed up the contracts negotiations Nah.
Why are we assuming the 11th-hour demand from his agents for more $$ and/or more authority was fully sincere? This sequence of events, when viewed in context of Shanahan not extending Dubas last summer, making him a quasi-lame-duck GM, smells like Dubas not wanting to be the one to say "no", and only wanting to come back if he didn't have to answer to Shanahan. So you do the Monday presser where you play the "golly gee I don't know, I'll have to talk it over" angle, then you do the last-minute "OK I'm in, but I need X and Y" knowing you'll never get it. When the team says no & pulls the plug, then you can say you wanted to stay but the team's being unreasonable. Seems like a very passive-aggressive agent-like strategy.
To be fair to Dubas, I wouldn't want to come back either if I was told last summer I'm not getting an extension, I'm essentially GMing for my job this past season, the team finally wins a playoff round, and you're still told it isn't good enough. If I'm Dubas, I'd be thinking nothing short of winning the Cup would've ever been enough, and this whole "let's play it out and see what happens" act was a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose deal. So I'm not going to be the scapegoat by being unceremoniously fired - I'll make you out to be the unreasonable party here.
The great thing about Kypreos, is that he has no pretention, shows he has an honest interest what ever the subject is, without spin.
Love Kyper. Always listened to him when he had his own podcast. He's the real deal. IMO he should be on TV in between periods
There is always spin.
Kyper is great but at times he brings out points that goes his take without realizing it
Kyper needs to be a regular when hockey season is on. I’m not a Leaf fan, but he fits good with Sid. Great job fellas.
good to see nick made in this morning even though its laundry day
The Panthers were swept in second round last year and management was pissed. Knew they needed to make a big change. That’s what the Leafs should be this year. Instead, what we got from Kyle was “I don’t know if I want to be here, give me more money and control.” Leafs should be the ones pissed this year, instead it was I don’t know if I want to do the job.
The Leafs simply cannot win with their second line. I am sorry but people who think Nylander was the solution here are nuts. What good are four goals if you end up -4 at the end of the playoffs? Your line should be scoring more than the opponent. 4 goals for and 8 against? Marner led forwards in goal differential (he’s a beast defensively) and points and had 3 goals but we keep hearing how “good” Nylander was. Total nonsense 😡.
Small margins are what make the difference in the playoffs. It’s why Leafs lose every year so don’t tell me defensive play is not a major factor.
@@disinformationworld9378 defensive play - or the Leafs lack thereof - was the ONLY factor.
This is such a classic Canadian media moment. Everything that Sid is saying about Dubas applies to Shanahan too. Why does he get a pass as POHO? The POHO gets fired alongside the GM all the time. But the Maple Leafs and their insider circle have decided to make Dubas the one scapegoat this year and deflect accountability from anybody else.
Kyper wore his "I'm behind a desk on TV pants".
@old Man Bucksaw - Kyper needs a raise! Can't afford to buy jeans without holes in them! Maybe he should hire Dubas' agent!
Totally agree with Sid. Results did not equal more power. Just as the Matthews, Marner, Tavares and now Rielly contracts have crippled the Leafs.
The Toronto Maple Leaf's are like Stan Mikita's Chicago Blackhawks, full of talent didn't play as a team and only won one Stanley cup. You build a team from the back end forward
That’s the anti-Leafs way! 🤣
Bobby Hull was my favourite player.
yeah but Mikita did win one cup. The current Leafs have won nil!
A learning curve for first year expansion teams similar to Toronto Maple Leafs. New teams learn from losing. Leafs have learned a lot.
This will be the Maple Leafs “Ferrari” Moment. Next season will be Austons last as a Leaf, and the last of the Leafs making the playoffs for several years to come
If Leafs get the proper trade returns, should be able to stay in playoff hunt. Everyone's scared to trade these guys. Leafs will go back to the dark days. Nonsense
Watching Sid in that pose with a minute to go had me in stitches.....thanks buddy lol
Sooooo pumped for ‘27-‘28 season.
Love Kyper. He's the real deal.
Somebody get Kyper a raise….his jeans look like they could be replaced😊
He is a punk guy
2000's guy.
kyp just got style man.
He paid to have those dips. I think he took one too many punches in the head. 60 years old amd still dresses like a college bum.
@@MisterMister5893 better than dressing like a pretentious douche
Matthews and Marner to Chicago for the first overall draft choice, with the Leafs retaining some salary
Leafs are the best entertainment in the NHL,not on the ice but off the ice.
Dubas's theory was to pay for draft/develop potential players into Stanley cup contenders. It failed. Yes, Matthews and Marner are great talent, but ever playoff series shows they are not willing to put a Team above themselves personally. I always believed this would play out the way it did, #16 and #34 already got the Stanley Cup Champion paycheck, why put in the effort to win the championship...
Tavares is easily the most over payed player who has absolutely nothing on his resume to show for the amount of money he makes like those 2 as well... they could all care less about bonuses or a championship when they have guaranteed cash
@@JibberLang All players have guaranteed cash. No one gets paid in the playoffs.
That was actually Shanahan's theory. And for the most part, it worked, but you really need grit for the playoffs. Matthews and Marner were not the kind to throw hits or rough it up in front of the net, like Matthew Tkachuk is (and holy crap, look at him now). To Dubas' credit, he started making the right changes near the trade deadline, acquiring O'Reilly, Acciari, Schenn and bringing up Knies, but these were not the center of the organization.
A Matthew Tkachuk type was what should have been the central offensive core around which to build the team. Not an Auston Matthews type. Edmonton made the same mistake, although less so (Draisaitl can actually throw hits).
@@szahmad2416 I am sure you have been more than happy that Matthews has been a Leaf over the years. So let's not crap on him in retrospect.
You obviously have never played the game. No one gets to that level without giving everything they have . Money is irrelevant.When the rest of the team gets properly filled out, the playoffs success will happen.
The maple laughs continue 😂😂😂
Sid thinks Kyle was driving that bus.. with a MLSE exec board and shady shanny in the background. You're trolling.
Kyper for GM!
This is a Shanahan problem. I used to think it was on Dubas, and it is, but it was Shanahan who put the 29 year old kid in place in 2014. three years was clearly not enough to train him to be a full-time GM. Now, he buggers up the firing of Dubas and has no plan going forward. Shanny-plan is dead in the water.
In Japan, and let's admit there are an extremely successful civilisation, it takes ten years of apprenticing to become a carpenter and you are still a learner for life. They will speak like an apprentice their whole life because they are humbled by the detail and difficulty.
Dubas got some balls on him, mess up the Cap by overpaying the core 4 and fail in the Playoffs every year, then you want more money and power for doing so 🤣
It's not about winning. It's about selling merchandise and seats and it appears that that has continued to work, hence why his pay goes up
@Jessie no job and ultimately needs to move his family to another province or an entirely different country if he wants to get another high roller job.
@Jessie ya beacuse he will have such a hard time finding another job. oh wait half teams in the nhl want him🤣🤣
I think that Shanny should fire himself. Shanny allowed the contracts to Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares to go out without either modifying either $ amount or terms given to these players, particularly term for Matthews and Marner. Dubas was a relatively inexperienced GM at the time and put out these contracts which have severely constrained the team in what they could do in subsequent seasons to build a playoff ready team. Dubax could have benefited from Shannie's alleged experience. Shanahan wax either incompetant or derelict in his duties. SHANNY, MAN UP AND FIRE YOURSELF!!!!!!!
where im fromt, "hard bread" is popular. the problem with hard bread is that sometimes the crumbs goes everywhere and when you sit on your furniture, it hurts.
The sad part is hat Dubas did alright for the past 2-3 years, BUT he made some MAJOR mistakes in his first few years as gm...
Sounds like Dubas didn’t get to make all the decisions. Hard to say who made what call
I'm with Sid. 5 years, one series win, you don't get to ask for more money. Also, "I won't work anywhere else because of family. Except maybe Pittsburgh."
sid is trash thats why he is on BT🤡
I agree with Sid’s comments about the job that Dubas did - amazing to me that people act as though the Leafs just lost the next Sam Pollack or hockey’s version of Theo Epstein. Another team would be foolish to take him, but make no mistake, he will be feverishly trying to land somewhere else. The job however is only half done - Shanny was at the helm and Dubas was his personal pick over experienced guys like Lamoriello and Hunter because he wanted control. He should definitely be gone too.
Exactly what has he done to deserve more power and more money?
somebody get sid a jacket that fits
so, apparently Dubas is an Ottawa Senators fan... Things are really starting to make sense now... No wonder he built a talented team that couldn't get past the first round from certain teams.
Nick and Sid
As a Chicago fan, Stan Bowman built the 3 cup team. Hed be a great pick up. It's ironic how crazy the Blackhawks benefit from the early exits of Boston, Tampa and Toronto and win the lottery. Anyone could build another cup winner for the Hawks now.
Tallon built the pre 2010 cup team, not Bowman. Just saying..
Auston Matthews likely won't resign with the Leafs. Sources close to the Calder, Hart, & Rocket Richard trophy winner, and first player to record four goals in his first NHL game confirm. He has no attachment to any former Leafs greats ie: Keon, Sittler, Vaive, Clark, Gilmour, Sundin. Its baffling to him how he wasn't named captain of this team. What else does he need to do? While he publicly says all the right things, he's pissed.
He'll make his millions anywhere he goes
He's an Arizona, southern California guy. In late November, December, January, February, March he wants to wear shorts, and flip flops and head to practice, sources confirm.
It's best the Leafs execute a trade before his no move clause kicks in or he'll be walking for nothing!
Kyle's rant there screaming down at the ice kinda reminded me of Bubbles from The Trailer Park boys. LOL. Leafs have no grit just fancy boys, I will say it again, Simmons needed to be in the game full time back in February to prepare to be that agitator in front of the net for the playoffs.
Bubbles was mad when Ricky didn't get the concert ticket for Rush.
I heard they are moving to Atlanta! Guy wearing torn jeans, that's a bold move Cotton!
Yes, Dubas, it all goes back to the Tavares contract. Eventually, everything was going to blow up in his face, and this was the year. It was a horrible contract, especially when you had 3 young players who were UFA's.
I don't understand how Dubas didn't see this coming.
Any truth if reported by Frank Seravali that Dubas went to MLSE asking for Shanny’s job or to bypass his authority?
Kypreos is obviously right about so many things. But he seems to want the Leafs to keep Auston Matthews, who slow quits on the team every spring.
Really? You think Lou Lamourello didn't have more power? IF, a big IF Shanahan had to ok every deal/trade/signing, then the fault for the failures of this team fall on Shanny. If he the one who threw all the money at Tavares? I'm sure Dubas needed to get the ok to do that. Same with the other core 4 deals. Knowing that Dubas had to get everything okayed, means Shanny is totally at fault for this mess.
if you are reading this and wondering 🤔... Rogers does not sell computers
Giving up on Spezza is a big mistake. No one wore a suit or got coffee better than the Spez
Why?
He left on his own accord, he was effective on the ice and still had a couple years left in him I believe but spent so little time on the management team and I doubt you can even gauge his effects on the team in that short of period. Unproven
He was literally employed by Kyle. Kyle got fired. But they gave up on Jason?
Spezza doesn't have a job without Dubas
Dubas will max out the cap in Pittsburgh
Like I said u need complement the 4 stars with more grit tough players around them shore up the 3rd 4th liners.
3 layers sid? jesus what time of year is it?
I can't help but feel Dubas made these early comments and sent the new terms to force Shanahan to give him the exit that he desired. This way he didn't leave. He was let go and has a veneer of loyalty that he can present when he gets interviewed by other teams.
i agreed with Sid on this one
too much money up front left them with no room for caps
Shanahan was the real GM. Dubas was simply a puppet. Shanahan wouldn't give up control.
Bowman was approached about 20 years ago to coach the Leafs,Bowman wanted complete control, the Leaf Organization said no,Bowman then walked away. Bowman has a very good record of winning,bringing Stanley Cups to Montreal,Pittsburg, Chicago and Detroit. He Coached Buffalo but wasn't successful their,God couldn't help the Buffalo Sabres. This is how much the Leaf Organization cares about it's fans who finance them,they didn't sign Bowman. I met Scotty Bowman at a signing, I asked him please sign with the New York Rangers, he hust laughed.
Hey Sod. Dubas should never been hired as GM in the first place huge mistake by Shanahan. He should have hired Hunter and can still bring him onboard
The problem with that team has always been that the franchise makes money whether the team wins or not. Good investment, nothing more. Why spend money on the team when you don't have to? That's all there is to it.
Does this mean the end of the timbit and Justin biber jerseys
Been a leafs fan since 94, but they had their chance to win the cup the last 3 years, now I believe their chance to win is unfortunately gone. Don't matter what they do behind the scenes the cup is far and long gone now.
Both of these guys Sid and kipper should 🤫
What’s Nicks opinion on the Flames future?
Really weird seeing kyper in this setting
Didn't Shanahan have to approve those massive contracts? If so, why is he getting off free from the bulk of criticism?
I need BT Ottawa rn.
Kyle pissed off his boss and was fired.
1. Shannahan told him not to speak to the media and he still did
2. His indecisiveness of not wanting the job due to the pressure
3. Telling shanny by EMAIL that he still wanted the job.
You don’t email in that situation, especially for an old school guy like Shannahan. It also sounds like the counter offer was absurd.
It sounds like Kyle blew it and was fired. However, we’ve only been given one side of the story here.
The most important side of the story: 56 years with no Cups in 2023
Shanahan is not going to be strong armed by Dubas.
@@rickymartin875 Not even a cup appearance.
@@richardthompson6366 Not even.
For an expansion team Leafs are struggling to find NHL identity. The first few seasons will be difficult. Be patient. Better days ahead…
Sid please don't share your hockey opinion, like you have a clue what your talking about. Let Kyper talk and be quiet, you know nothing.
Sixeiro, the MOUTH that roared, as usual !
He usually roars the truth.
Yeah like when he kept hammering home Messi is a fraud or hockey players should be forced to wear rainbow jerseys. Lmao gimme a break
Buffalo Florida Ottawa and Detroit maybe Tampa will be the new four five in
I don't know how teams like Pittsburgh are still interested in Dubas after this.
Messed up his teams salary cap, his team never acheived anything, made tons of trades that aged very poorly, goes behind his boses back to address the media for his own personal benefit, made rediculous requests for more money and organizational power despite never having any success....just completely unprofessional.
He's all your Pens, until of course another team aporoaches him after he's had a chance to screw the teams salary cap up, roster and also trade away all future draft picks away in a last ditch effort to save his job.
A NEW SHOW... BWTWEEN 2 GREEKS LOL... LOVE IT
Has nothing to do with Shanny being G.M. It’s the 2 major players TSN & Sportsnet that haven't helped either!
More pissed that Spezza left.
Here's my take on the leafs. I've been saying for five years that this core, while being talented, don't have what it takes to win the cup. Their to soft to spoiled. It's going to take 3-5 years to cleanup this mess, 5 years on the bottom to rebuild, another 3 years to build a winner. Yup that's right leaf fans another 11-13 years before any chance of a win. A lot of us will never see a leaf Stanley cup in our lifetime!
Word is the "shanaplan" has already assured his "core four" that they are safe. No movement incoming. Got rid of the wrong dude, and I love it. I absolutely love every second of this team failing, and its trash fanbase whining like babies. I look forward to much more of it.
Nick is right, everything thats has happened has been on Shanahans watch, but here is the rub, it is rumoured (because we dont really know for sure) that Shanahan has told the core 4 they are not going anywhere. What incoming GM wants to take a job where before he even gets here he is being undermined?..its a stupid move by Shanahan, and that should be enough for ownership to say "enough of this crap,Shanahan goes as well", its getting just too stupid in leafland.
Shanny has corrected his own mistake....he controlled the Narrative 110% and history will now show that he both hired and fired Kyle Dubas. Dubas was FIRED into the Sun for underachieving and for potentially kneecapping the Leafs for 5-6 years.Shanny can now use the Oilers model and appeal to his core players to STOP SAYING CORE-4 because a core is 3 players no more....and without a Neon Leon deal of the CENTURY followed up by a RNH deal of the Decade the Oilers would not be trending upward so quickly. Sacrifices have to be made to bring in middle-career Matured Players with min 4 Prime years left who have already made Bank and now want to win. Guys like Taylor Hall.
did sid always sit like that under his tim and sid desk?
Nick. Tou go do it.
You don’t get compensation for nhl executives anymore, kipper always talking out his arse
Needle and thread for Nick. Two rules (1) don't wear white after Labour Day, (2) don't wear torn past past 25.
Yada yada yada ....NO Dubas
The only thing Sid knows is what goes in a breakfast sandwich.
Could get a new gm who desiroys what is..not easy to become a top team
Kyper .. the new President of the Ottawa Senators??
The divorce is all about the money , not the Dubas contracr , but the amount of money that Rogers has lost over the past 7+ years . If the Leafs advance further in the playoffs that a very lucrative return . Remember Rogers paid 5.2 B for the rights and from what has been reported the ROI has not been good . I think the ownership got tired hearing Dubas state the he believs in the CORE 4 , Just check their stats , they let him down big time .
Will u gun for the job please!!! You know what needs to be done you know hockey better then most 👍👍👍👍👍👍 im not joking 😁😁
sucks about Spezza any ideas where he is going? Is he now Kyles main man and will go where kyle goes? shame.
I'm curious to see if Dubas will hold true to his word when he said he can't see himself working anywhere else other than Toronto next season.
Take a wild guess.
@@kermitfrog593 My guess is he's taking the paycheck and working wherever next year.
@@craigharrison5406 Mine as well. It was disconcerting to see how much of the fanbase fell for the family thing.
@@kermitfrog593 I don't know what planet he's on thinking he can ask to be the highest paid GM in the NHL. I guess handing out all those overpays rubbed off on him.
@@craigharrison5406 Yup, MLSE's been a gravy train, and still is, but not if youre not winning.
Nice pants Kyper 😂
Dubas made a power play and egregiously gave up a disastrous shorthanded goal!!!
Like Sid but every trade and salary went through Shanahan, he is culpable in those also
Shanahan made the right decision. As hard as this is to say. Mathews will attract immediate talent and high draft picks while also returning 13 to 15 million every year going forward. $15 million a year is 3 more T J Brodies in the line up. Goaltending and defense win Stanley Cups. Wrist shots from the blue Line do not.
Without mentioning the ownership in this situation, you're skipping a major part of the story.
Worth mentioning they mentioned it.
Owners of the Leafs are the media and they wanted results from the team after many years. Some fans are apparently fine with no accountability from management after really failing to take a top 4-5 team into the final four. They really got no results from that Tavares (cap crushing) signing and I was starting to wonder if it came with a no first round clause until he scored in OT.
Dubaa should have kept his mouth shut and accepted the offer. Hopefully his wife is much happier now. Selfish fools.
maybe they should do more pride nights...
Fine them $1,000,000 for not being gay enough
Tube the whole team.
DUBAS didn't want to continue with the Leafs because he knows he screwed himself with the core four and their contracts...July first deadlines for Matthews, Nylander, Marner no trade kicks in and he doesn't have the stones to make a move.
I mean, it's your opinion but your post is a fine example of the Dunning Krueger effect if I have to be frank.
I think Dubas should of stayed and Shanny should be fired.
Holy blue jeans Batman... Kipper can you find a pair of pants without a hole in them buddy??
the real problem with leafs they have too many owners no directions keep racking the $$$
have the Kypper on then talk all over him
Anyone that thinks there is a future for the Leafs needs to see a Dr
Move the team to Arizona
The leafs have historically overpaid players with high salaries and not much in incentive pay, thus limiting their flexibility to fill key role positions.
Here's what will happen: They'll move to Cleveland and be renamed the Cleveleafs. The logo will be a blue Chief Wahoo
lmfao shanahan is the one that should of been fired, quite frankly rogers and bell are the real problem, but as much as I want the leafs to win the cup I don't think they will before I die but and I'm 59 so that is my belief
There is no problem. All teams are a business. Leafs bring in $400 million a year in revenue. Where's the problem that causes Shanahan's firing?