Completely agree. He hyped the hell out of that camera when it has soft 4k, cropped 4k, weak digital image stabilization, front focuses a lot, and tracking isn't the greatest.
I wish these manufacturers would stop worrying about the top LCD and put a better feature in its place, ie more custom buttons, or another analog knob. I understand on this camera they want you to use the new RF more and I think it’s a forward thinking item (as a Sony shooter) but the top LCD just seems like a waste on a mirrorless camera when you see all that info in the EVF. Thanks guys as always!
I also can't live without a top LCD. It is the best way to know and set the exposure settings without needed to look through the viewfinder or at the rear display. I usually check it while talking to the models etc.. In this case it would be really awkward and look unprofessional if I would be looking through the viewfinder to do this
i think its fine if it allows you to see stuff you cant see on the screen due to sunlight or lack of sunlight. that said id better have a better screen and a light sensor to switch the display into night mode than the top lcd, then use that for a dial of course
Interesting and beneficial use of multiple input from Jordan and Steve.......with neither of them being a "Yes Man" to each other, they shoot differently and this brings more info to the viewer about how things can be managed when "problems" surface........nice touch.........
This is really a superior video, truly. I've learned things here that I've not seen mentioned in other reviews to date, or at least not in the same detail. And the visit with Stephen Eckert was very worthwhile. Bravo, DP Review.
3 FPS in stills, soft looking video with 1.6 crop in 4K, mediocre focusing speed and accuracy, last generation sensor, no IBS but it feels nice in hand. Well done Canon. :)
Very sharp 4k, 1.7 times crop, very fast and accurate autofocus in stills, very accurate and cinematic AF in video mode, great sensor from the 5D mk.IV, only electronic stabilization (except from the great IS in the lenses.)
I came here to comment that I agree with Chris in reference to the top LCD. I mean, I see how some people could find it useful I suppose, but I personally don't see a need for it.
Nah, Tony is just leaving room for the future as he has learned his lesson while reviewing the 6dii. You can't tell the true value and utility of a camera when you have to push out a review after a week or two. Ultimately, it's better for your credibility to publish an update on a product than an "I was wrong" video.
I agree that Tony was being overly generous with that comment, but otherwise the review was unbiased and showed how lacking the Canon camera is compared to the A7iii. So, I think Tony was just making the point that it's not a clear winner to ALL people. Some people are heavily invested in Canon glass and dont need all the features you get in the A7iii... so to THEM, it's not as clear as saying that the Sony camera is the winner. THEY might still want to get the Canon one... if they dont mind staying in an abusive relationship with Canon. But, still, I agree that Tony should have made a clearer statement about which camera won there. The A7iii did, without a doubt.
I've had the EOS R for a day and I think the video quality is great when you leave the digital stabilizer off. It does seem to soften with the digital stabilizer added. The RF 24-105 IS does a great job on its own, I'd be happy shooting with that lens in a lot of situations.
Did anyone do any tests for photos? :-) I know, and understand this is not great for video shooters.. but, what about the main functions as a stills camera LOL? Nothing was mentioned, and I feel like if your going to do a review, this should have been covered. But, great job talking about all the video aspects!
Not even G9 nor LX100 for that matter. This EOS R videos image quality and color science look pretty mediocre. Coupled with that 1.7x crop factor, definitely a big no-no for shooting videos.
I was watching this review on my 4k TV and the video looked really soft/muddy. Thought it might be RUclips's compression, but the images (and product shots) were really sharp. Then I re-watched DPReview's recent X-T3 review and man what a difference!
Well, he never said the X-T3 was a full frame camera. In reality APS-C is marginally bigger than 35mm motion picture, smaller than Super 35mm motion picture film frame. So "full-frame" is relative.
Damn, great review (especially the use of the EFS 17-55mm), but the only thing missing from this review was a real world test of Low Light photography and video. No one else has put the EOS R through it’s paces in low light. There’s a Canon produced video on their channel showcasing a photographer taking photos of miners in very low light conditions but I’d love to see you guys test low light for yourselves.
What you expect. It was hunting a lot even in the day, will be even worse in low light logically. They also said the pictures qaulity is behind competition. Just go to DPreview, choose in studio scene comparsion tool 5DIV and you can compare the ISO performance for still which Is worse then Sony. And ISO in 4k Is restricted to only 12800 So it tells the full story. Subpar performance for more money then competition.
you guys are coming back strong. first few vids with dpreview, it felt different. but this is like the old school chris and jordans reviews i like. keepin it real
My EOS R arrived today, and after some nervousness based on Jordan's video autofocus experience, I can happily report that for me its every bit as good as the 5D Mark IV even with adapted EF glass. My only gripes so far (other than the obvious spec disappointments) are: 1) Auto ISO is not possible in CLOG 2) Non-Canon EF-S glass doesn't auto-crop 3) The multi function touch bar is stupidly horrible idea. CANON, get rid of it! We need tactile buttons and direct access to ISO & WB 4) The rear dial is to far away from my thumb. Other than that, its actually quite a nice unit. Its biggest problem is, oddly enough for a Canon, its operation. Its comfortable enough to hold, but the lack of buttons and silly placement make it less comfortable to actually use.
I did the same. It's unfortunate because this footage is quite at odds with what I've seen elsewhere. If you look at 2:30, it's pretty obvious the image isn't really "soft," but is actually back-focused on the back of the chair. Almost like it was a lens issue...? Operator error? DPAF malfunction? Would love to get some input from the OP...
Thank you, Chris and Jordan. That 4K is really soft even for my untrained eye...and digital IS is a joke. The videos shoot on GH5 from your channel are way better.
Great review guys, looks like Canon has some issues, as do all of the new mirrorless options. Thank you for pointed out the issues with shooting LOG, lack of exposure aids is very bad when shooting that flat a profile. Looking forward to your eventual Z6 review.
If this is shot on EOS R than video quality in many situations was not good at all. Muddy and blurry. Is there excessive amount of upscaled 720p footage maybe?
1.7 crop means your basically using full frame glass on a m43 sized sensor. Because of this you are not able to use the lenses resolving power to their fullest extent, and we should expect soft footage.
MikedieONE you’re correct on the Wi-Fi point. My 5D3 doesn’t have it and that is the one feature I miss compared to the 70D. As a first significant entry it’s a great effort, which will show development over time. Mostly it appears to be a mirror less 5D4 with some new twists. The absence of a 2nd card at release time is disappointing. The feature control on the new lenses or the adapter ring looks like an interesting innovation. More to come yet from Canon to be sure.
Thanks for the review, done in depth and very helpful for making a buying decision. The review itself corresponded almost exactly to what I had assumed from reading the spec-sheet. The flaws in this camera show that it's not quite prime time at this stage. This model badly needs an upgrade already - probably an upgrade that will hike the price point. For the moment Canon - this is a no deal for me.
Can't wait for the KW video coming after seeing this, everyone else having fantastic fun, socializing and generally being fabulous :) Great work guys.. lovin it.
The main advantage with the video recording of full frame cameras is that you can have easily shallow depth of field with relatively wide lenses. Otherwise the video shooting with smaller sensor like micro 4/3 and telephoto lenses can be equally good and with shallow depth of field. The crop mode of the RP during video recording is a big minus.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like a camera made for us. I'm a video guy, but I don't see much that I don't already have in my little GH4. I could add an AtomOS to my little GH4 and have a monster video machine. I don't even see a way to use my Canon FD lenses on the new R mount either. At the very least I could mount old Nikon lenses on the Z6. The X-T3 and the Blackmagic P4k are the only two cameras I see as being a step up from what I have.
Great video guys and totally fair in my opinion! The video specs are really sad to hear about. XT3 crushes it for much less money and even less of a crop! ;)
If a mirrorless is basically useless for video (like the EOS R seems to be) than what is the point of going mirrorless for existing Canon Full Frame users (who are the only people that might have been interested in this camera)? The biggest issue with this camera is the price. Would it have been the cheapest full frame option on the market it might have had a chance. Being so much more expensive than the A7 III I can't imagine many people will buy it. And something else: I'd like to see you guys do a side by side comparison of some mirrorless cameras for continuous eye autofocus and include the G85. In my experience it works fantastic even with multiple people in the frame. (the face detect focus of the G85 focuses on the closer eye) Any chance of that happening? Cheers from Germany 🙂
First review that they really push the camera and actually tell people the limitations it has. That's why Chris and Jordan are by far, the best reviewers. Tony Northrup compared the Eos R with the a7III, and the Canon lost on every comparision, but he managed to say they were even because Canon has a flip screen... So yeah, bloggers can know easily how are they recordind the 1.7 cropped 4k, the shitty 720p 120fps or the ridiculously bad video due to the electronic stabilizer. He also stated tha is better ergonomically then the a7, but he complained about the AF button (same as Chris), the touchpad (same as Chris), and that it has no joystick for focus point.. the a7III may not have the better grip, but apart from that, every button and solution they came up with made the camera pretty close to perfect, specially in my hand. Peter McKinnon says he is in love with the camera, and he talked about 120p video, which is limited to 720p an I think he didn't even mention it. Not even the problems with the stabilization or the softness of the 4k video. Nikon and Canon has margin to improve (at least Nikon has really good video capabilities), but until the next generation, when they fix this first problems and have a wider range of lenses, I doubt that people who moved to Sony will come back to their original brands. PS: I have to say than Iike the styling of Nikon and Canon better, the a7 desing is starting to be outdated, it has been 4 years since the a7II came out, it's time to redising for better grip, a little better ergonomics and specially a better aesthetics.
Unfortunately a sad showing by Canon. Some of the decisions they made are really bizarre. Like the touch bar would have been better with just two programmable buttons. The mode button with dial?, slow touch screen, no continuous shooting with eye focus, very poor video, and overall a slow camera compared to even a Fuji. I'm not sure who this camera is for? If you already have a Canon lenses, I'm not sure why you would even want this over dslr.
I credit Canon for trying out new innovative stuff - but that multi-function touch bar looks like a complete failure. It adds one more distinctive button vs a clickable wheel and completely robs user of tactile response.
T Ray seriously… a fuji is a fuji well build dials good design very fast af beautiful evf this full frame crap i mean i dont need a extension of my ego its not made for my use i dont see the use of it. I just want to buy a camera for the next 5-6 years and fuji delivers it. I will Switch from my 60d (very good Camera @ that time to the xt3. ) why? U say?coz i came from analoge photography i loved the dials to turn to. I am a dials User guy. I get so the fastest results Tosaymyself. Of i have a model that w8 professionality i dont want to Hang up with a touchbar 😂 in the End Canon was a good brand stood for quality that i Van See anymore 😞 Sony took the course i mean These guys made 75% of their profit with ps4. But also these guys surpassed the giants like Nikon & canon. Nevertheless a Sony is not for my use. I dont like the Colors at the and what the Camera throws @ me its lifeless. I tryed a 7ii omg i was so dissapointed at that time. Not how it was in my hands, but the Image quality wtf Full frame with a zeiss lens ( that is not a zeiss Lens its just the Name on it and is Manufactured by sony. At the same time i tryed the xt1 anything was perfekt but the af was slow and also dissaponting. And the Camera way to expensive not After Almosen 3 years i get a Camera with anything i want. Sry to tell to canon nikon sony.
I really like the benefits of Canon and was looking to upgrade my 80d, but this is like a bad combination of the 6d mark ii and M50 with an annoying touchbar and poor ergonomics, built from leftover parts from the parts bin. I want to see a review of the Nikon Z6 and if that is not favorable, I'm moving to Sony or Panasonic for video (like many people).
If you're moving because of video, you may want to consider the Fuji X-T3 as well. Their lens selection is meh, but depending on your needs it may work out even better. These guys just did a nice review on the X-T3. For FF, I agree, just get the A7 III it's already a proven work-horse. I'm sure Panasonic will be great and they have a history with MILC so they'll be ahead of CaNikon, but they still won't use PDAF and I'm sure they'll be going through their own first-gen learning curves. Not to mention the uber-expensive L-mount glass. Given the cost of the G9, GH5 and GH5S, I can't imagine how they'll price the FF bodies. Won't be cheap is my guess.
@ its 1:40 am and watched it with my data pack over, just coz i had to wait for data cycle to refresh so i could upload all my stock photos to multiple sites..😁 Thankfully for me, ill be going for sony. Never considered any canon too seriously.. its a bad time to be a dedicated loyal canon shooter.
Remember how people were bashin the 6D II saying it should've had the 5D IV sensor? Canon delivered on point. The Mirrorless 6D III, much better than the 6D II but you still need to do better if you want to compete in this day and age.
Hello Chris and Jordan, love your videos since you guys were at TCS TV. I got a little bit of suggestion. I'm really intrigued to see your format combined with the old DP Review Field Test. I thought the way the ytest a specific camera by covering an event (eg. The Rodeo in 1DX Mark II field test or going for camping/outing in the Nikon D500 video). Just my two cents. Cause that kind of test can push a camera in review and it's also fun to watch. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for review, the best one so far.. My EOS R G.A.S. is coffined now.. This camera seems to be a work-in-process stuff, not really a refined finished product worth $2,300.. I prefer $500 M50 more.. Wait to see S1 full spec in few months.. Thanks again C&J
I was excited for this camera - as I'm a long-time Canon fan and have a strong lens investment. After seeing some reviews and reading some specs I was thinking about going a different direction - but I didn't. I picked-up this camera (from the Camera Store - shout out to fellow Calgarians). It's a better camera then the spec sheet shows. Although very new to it - I have been quite impressed and am enjoying it in the field. To be fair, my skill set and my needs are such that this camera hits a sweet spot for me in terms of preserving my lens investment, not being an expensive body relative to others, and giving me all the features I need in a good quality package. It's an upgrade from my D6 - so I'm long over-due for a new camera - which likely has something to do with how happy I am with it. Your review was great - very well done! If there was one thing I would have liked to have seen - it may have been a review of the support system around the camera. Specifically, I think that the control of the camera using a smart phone and the transfer of files to a smart phone while shooting is important. It makes a second card slot a little less of a concern. It's also an option for long exposure, etc - where the image stabilization is done via a tripod.
Great review!!! But I would go Sony, I’m an urban explorer shooter and photo and video is really important, waiting for a7siii and I’m using a 7sii since release
What do you mean by "But I would go Sony"? There’s nothing in this review that suggests they prefer the Canon overs Sony, in fact its the opposite; they emphasize many of the shortcomings of the Canon.
I feel to have been waiting a very long time to upgrade my (now occasionally glitchy) A6000 with 35mm 1.8 OSS. I was quite prepared to jump to this Canon - as it really is available now - particularly with such a great range of lenses at launch - but! Lack of image stabilisation and a ridiculous 4K crop-factor seem to put paid to that idea (2 slots would have been nice but one isn't a deal-breaker). I can't wait another 6 months (perhaps 48 months - it's Canon, after-all) for an EOS RII as my A6000 is on its way out - but after 14k images so no complaints - I'm thinking I'll just have to wait another 6-8 weeks for the A7III/Batis 40mm F2 combination. I loved the colour rendition in your video, but... Close but no cigar...
What do you guys think (everything is just about 4K filming on eosR) if i already have best canons crop lens 17-55/f2.8 that is left from my former 80D is it important to change it to at least 16-35/2.8L II lens? Will I feel any difference in 4K filming? Because of cropped 4K widest 16/17mm field of view is almost the same. Money not a question for me but does it worth spending another 1000$ for what will I get from L lens? Photography/videography is my hobby... N.B. I have RF24-105/f4 lens aswell. But need something wider.
I was ready to buy one tonight...but....after this review, there I go again to think of Sony Aiii (and Panasonic 4/3) as a better option for the future ahead!!
What was your experience with writing speed to the memory card, when talking still pictures? I’ve only had the opportunity to test out the preproduction version of the Canon EOS R, I used the the Sony 128GB SDXC UHS II 300/299MB/s card and I was surprised how slowly it was writing to the card.
Great honest review gentlemen. That digital IS was freakin horrendous. When you showed the GH5 footage, it really put things into perspective for me. The stills images definitely looked nice, though, but it's kinda hard to evaluate that from a yt video. Aside from a Canon shooter who desperately wants a new camera, I can't for the life of me figure out what type of shooter this camera is for.
How does it focus in low light ? Some test footage of that would have been nice. I am a Canon DSLR user and often find myself disappointed when testing mirrorless cameras’ AF in darker conditions.
Good that I hadn't seen this review when I was buying this camera a year before. But now (and a year before) many issues that were in this video are fixed with new firmware and eye af works pretty good and with servo af.
Canon should have swapped the positions of the top LCD and the On/Off button. It makes more sense ergonomically as it lets you operate the camera one handed.
Not really, the biggest question would be, why do we have a wheel for an on off position.... Looks like a second control wheel to me that they didn't finished to implement.
Thanks for the great review. I just subscribed to your channel. You said you were “back in Calgary”. I live in Calgary, too. I’m a Canon user. I have an old 60D and I’m looking to do a major upgrade. Currently I’m trying to decide if I should stay with Canon or maybe switch to the Sony A7R IV when it’s released later this year. I love the flip screen on the Canon and use it almost exclusively compared to using the view finder. It’s fantastic when shooting straight up or down. I will miss that with the Sony. I also understand I’m going to need to switch lenses, too - another big expense - but it seems Sony has taken the lead in camera technology and state of the art products.
I think, most reviews miss a little detail. I might be wrong (and I'm glad to be corrected for I haven't used this camera yet), but as far as I understand, this camera actually wants to be a stills camera with added video features as alittle treat, but it doesn't try to be an allrounder or even a proper video camera. But somehow I've got the feeling, that most reviews focus on the video features (or maybe I've seen the wrong reviews). That's like watching a WW2 Drama and then after leaving the cinema complaining "Gosh that was a bad comedy!" It might have had comedic parts, but that wasn't the films focus. It's a bit like the 6D MK2 and the 6D MK1 before. Many complained about the specs, but I haven't heard of anyone who bought one to be severely disappointed. I have to confess that I'm mainly a stills shooter so I'm not that hurt by the (actually rather poor) video capabilities of this camera. But as such I can see this camera working very well for me. Also, it isn't aimed at professionals. It could have been (and maybe should have been), but it isn't. What it is aimed for in my opinion are Canon users, who want a DSLM and might be thinking about changing to Sony. It might not beat Sony on the spec sheet (and in some points won't beat it in the real world), but it offers a lot for Canon users: A familiar, easy to use ecosystem, good AF, lovely colours and full compatiility with existing Canon glass (EF, EF-S and due to the short flange distance even Canon F, if I'm not mistaken) plus it also uses the Canon LP-E6 batteries that every Canon user should have. So the EOS R doesn't want to be the start of your new system, it wants to enhance and complement your existing one. But as I said, I haven't used this camera yet. If you have, I'll be glad to learn from you about it. Anyway, as usual this is a great review!
I feel the same way .. I couldn't give 2 hoots less about video in my cameras (i'm only a stills shooter) .. I've read my entire 90D and 7D (Mark I) manuals cover-to-cover, EXCEPT the video sections, because I just have zero use for it (but that's just how I use the cameras, obviously) .. I'm definitely interested in the EOS R to finally make the jump to both full frame and mirrorless without completely breaking the bank .. I'd love to go w/ the R6, but the higher price tag is making that less likely (and I'd really prefer a higher MP, since I've become very used to the 32MP in my 90D)...........
While I had no intention of witching back to Canon to buy one of these anyway, I still expected better out of Canon. There so many glaring "wtf?" moments with this thing that it really leaves me scratching my head. Great review, gents.
At least you all got some sailing and Hawaii waterfalls in, need another Hawaii vacation on another camera launch. Feels like outdoors Ontario was orchestrating the nature strings as you were walking through there. 🌲🐻
I am shooting in low light and high iso and need to be on silent shutter. Are the rolling shutter issues any better with the firmware update? I think you can now do multishots
Pretty much same conclusion I had. The processing power isn't there to actually make this a camera worth 2300 USD. Since it's pretty much the same processing power they had in their M50 witch they price at 800 USD...
two things canon did get right, and thats the shutter covering the sensor which i've been requesting on sony's and the drop in filters. Both those features would be amazing to have.
It's almost a crime that the most ergonomically shaped body has such strange positioning of buttons, weak sealing, slow processing, and a lack of certain key technology. Thanks for the review, gents. I had hoped for this one. Will check it out in Ginza next week, but I think I'm probably going to have to hunker down in Fujifilm land for the time being, which, as a Fuji owner but detractor, is a bugger.
📸 I wanted to love this camera but 4K crop and no IBIS kills it for me. With those features lacking I’d probably rather save the money and buy the Fuji XT-3 and put the hundreds saved towards good glass.
Me eh :( unimpressed, former Canon 60D user, considering either the Sony A7iii or waiting on the Panasonic S1 my personal preference is the Panasonic, I have used owned many over the years Still own my Panasonic plasma from 2007 still looks great. Just hoping for some better updates on the Panasonic, but hell the Sony A7iii is impressive. What do you guys think?
My first SLR camera, back in the summer of '70, was the Canon FT QL and came with a Canon 50mm f1.4 with the aperture ring near the front edge of the lens, so the 'new' Canon lens design isn't so new.
The On Off switchbhas always been on the Left in Pro Bodies. Also the Mode Dial too. I dont understand how thats a Flaw? Considering they gave the Mode Dial to right. Should be half thankful haha.
Excellent ergonomics!!!?/ Chris man, c'mon! Canon have perfectly designed buttons and functionality on dslrs. Direct buttons for mayor settings, joystick and control wheel. They abandon it on R!!?? Why for the love of God!!?? It worked just fine for us for decades! Don't fix it if it's not broken Canon!!! Beside one one card slot and omission of ibis, this is mayor setback for me and basically nailed my not buying decision.
It looks like a cool camera and I'm glad Canon is starting to take mirrorless seriously but im not actually seeing anything here that couldn't have been done with the 6Dm2
Great review. As a current Canon user looking to move to full frame, I pre-ordered one. I almost never shoot any video so don't really care about those features (or lack there of) and that RF mount has me excited for the future. Moving from the 80D, the sensor will be an upgrade for me and all my existing lenses work with it. I'm also really excited and intrigued with Canon's commitment to new features in firmware updates. Maybe if I were a new shooter, I'd go with the A7III, but my Canon glass will be great on this thing.
@@Davitor1 it is. The only issue is batttery bottom And it would be really issue if you put the body on table full of water. Otherwise the weather sealing is fine ;-) and more then adequate.
got the camera last week, it feels really good in hand. It sucks on paper, but when you really use it, it is a very good travel camera and does most things ok. Eye tracking is good and tracks cats and dogs eyes. I only have the 24-105atm, it’s better than the EF one, waiting for the 50 1.2, with the adapter, all my Ef lens works very good, just like attach on a canon 5d4. so far so good, it’s that of camera you really need to use it in hand.
Any informed opinions here on how stabilised video looks using the RF 24-105 with the IS on? Im loathe to give up the dreamy IS in my little Lumix G85 but one camera would be handier than two (6D for stills). Have only found two youtube clips showing examples of this, more would be great.
Thanks for having me on gentlemen, it was a great time!
Stephen will you be doing a review on the video in EOS R?
AP Studios yup! We’re working on our full review right now, should be out in a few weeks
720p 120fps, 1.7x crop, great achievement Canon! This is truly camera of the future (future versions will do 480p)
I think Canon's original marketing theme was Back to the Future.
Brian Mi yes but it does have a full articulating screen.
laggy touchscreen,half backed dual pixel af...and many more cripple
And maybe in future: 144p :v
This is what I call HONEST review. Peter McKinnon should be ashamed.
Completely agree. He hyped the hell out of that camera when it has soft 4k, cropped 4k, weak digital image stabilization, front focuses a lot, and tracking isn't the greatest.
You guys mean Peter and all the other YTubers out there weren't being honest in their reviews? Bummer
Those RUclipsrs can't monetize the maximum if they are honest. They are there for business.
I unsubscribed from this dude months ago, he was too much of canon fanboy, and canon sucks,
Michael Tapl his preset sucks so bad....
I wish these manufacturers would stop worrying about the top LCD and put a better feature in its place, ie more custom buttons, or another analog knob. I understand on this camera they want you to use the new RF more and I think it’s a forward thinking item (as a Sony shooter) but the top LCD just seems like a waste on a mirrorless camera when you see all that info in the EVF. Thanks guys as always!
Look coming from a D-SLR shooter we have to ease in to change. For the people 40 plus we are used to Top lcd and a proper camera has one
game2572 I can understand that.. I’m 43 this year as well, but only have a few mirrorless years behind me so I can see that perspective
Prashanth Panicker if you’re using a dslr I understand but on a mirrorless this info is displayed through your EVF and on the back screen.
I also can't live without a top LCD. It is the best way to know and set the exposure settings without needed to look through the viewfinder or at the rear display. I usually check it while talking to the models etc.. In this case it would be really awkward and look unprofessional if I would be looking through the viewfinder to do this
i think its fine if it allows you to see stuff you cant see on the screen due to sunlight or lack of sunlight. that said id better have a better screen and a light sensor to switch the display into night mode than the top lcd, then use that for a dial of course
Interesting and beneficial use of multiple input from Jordan and Steve.......with neither of them being a "Yes Man" to each other, they shoot differently and this brings more info to the viewer about how things can be managed when "problems" surface........nice touch.........
This is really a superior video, truly. I've learned things here that I've not seen mentioned in other reviews to date, or at least not in the same detail. And the visit with Stephen Eckert was very worthwhile. Bravo, DP Review.
Exactly
I loved the last 3 minutes of brutal honesty
3 FPS in stills, soft looking video with 1.6 crop in 4K, mediocre focusing speed and accuracy, last generation sensor, no IBS but it feels nice in hand. Well done Canon. :)
I hope their next, more professional mirrorless camera is a lot better.
and the native lenses for it are expensive as balls.
Maybe because the EOS R's sensor is largely based from EOS 5D IV
Just 3fps?😨
Thanks for save my time😬
Very sharp 4k, 1.7 times crop, very fast and accurate autofocus in stills, very accurate and cinematic AF in video mode, great sensor from the 5D mk.IV, only electronic stabilization (except from the great IS in the lenses.)
I watched about 1000 hours of Jareds Channel and there never ever was so much of Stephen... The Slowmo in the Pool made my Day.
Stephen deserves more love. He's an awesome guy and insanely good at what he does. I was thrilled to have him on the show.
I like his work too. He's much more then a side kick. Thanks for haveing him!
I came here to comment that I agree with Chris in reference to the top LCD. I mean, I see how some people could find it useful I suppose, but I personally don't see a need for it.
'There is no clear winner' - Tony Northrup comparing this camera to the A7III. Thanks for your honest take Chris & Jordan!
Tony was politicking hard trying to show the camera in the best light, this review is more objective.
Nah, Tony is just leaving room for the future as he has learned his lesson while reviewing the 6dii. You can't tell the true value and utility of a camera when you have to push out a review after a week or two. Ultimately, it's better for your credibility to publish an update on a product than an "I was wrong" video.
I agree that Tony was being overly generous with that comment, but otherwise the review was unbiased and showed how lacking the Canon camera is compared to the A7iii. So, I think Tony was just making the point that it's not a clear winner to ALL people. Some people are heavily invested in Canon glass and dont need all the features you get in the A7iii... so to THEM, it's not as clear as saying that the Sony camera is the winner. THEY might still want to get the Canon one... if they dont mind staying in an abusive relationship with Canon. But, still, I agree that Tony should have made a clearer statement about which camera won there. The A7iii did, without a doubt.
DeusExAstra the A7iii still has a lower resolution and it’s made in Thailand with no articulating screen. I know the truth hurts but just get over it.
The tiltable screen is better than articulating screen for waist level shooting.
I've had the EOS R for a day and I think the video quality is great when you leave the digital stabilizer off. It does seem to soften with the digital stabilizer added. The RF 24-105 IS does a great job on its own, I'd be happy shooting with that lens in a lot of situations.
But Kyle, no one wants to hear about practical hands-on experience when we're all having so much fun bashing from the bleachers! J/K, I hear you.
HA HA HA, "Take a picture, take the card out, put another card in, take the same picture, super convenient..." :-) Too funny!
I laughed out loud at that!
Did anyone do any tests for photos? :-) I know, and understand this is not great for video shooters.. but, what about the main functions as a stills camera LOL? Nothing was mentioned, and I feel like if your going to do a review, this should have been covered. But, great job talking about all the video aspects!
That 4k footage didnt hold up next to the gh5 footage at all.
Not even G9 nor LX100 for that matter. This EOS R videos image quality and color science look pretty mediocre. Coupled with that 1.7x crop factor, definitely a big no-no for shooting videos.
Yeah, I have been wondering about that crop factor. My little GH4 does about that well. The balance of power has shifted to Fuji, Sony and Panasonic.
I was watching this review on my 4k TV and the video looked really soft/muddy. Thought it might be RUclips's compression, but the images (and product shots) were really sharp. Then I re-watched DPReview's recent X-T3 review and man what a difference!
BROis the XT3 is not a full frame camera.
Well, he never said the X-T3 was a full frame camera. In reality APS-C is marginally bigger than 35mm motion picture, smaller than Super 35mm motion picture film frame. So "full-frame" is relative.
Damn, great review (especially the use of the EFS 17-55mm), but the only thing missing from this review was a real world test of Low Light photography and video.
No one else has put the EOS R through it’s paces in low light. There’s a Canon produced video on their channel showcasing a photographer taking photos of miners in very low light conditions but I’d love to see you guys test low light for yourselves.
What you expect. It was hunting a lot even in the day, will be even worse in low light logically. They also said the pictures qaulity is behind competition. Just go to DPreview, choose in studio scene comparsion tool 5DIV and you can compare the ISO performance for still which Is worse then Sony. And ISO in 4k Is restricted to only 12800 So it tells the full story. Subpar performance for more money then competition.
Ladislav svencik yes I can tell another Sony fanboy. Stop the BS.
you guys are coming back strong. first few vids with dpreview, it felt different. but this is like the old school chris and jordans reviews i like. keepin it real
That photo at 13:31 is so awesome. That alone could sell cameras, it made me want one.
My EOS R arrived today, and after some nervousness based on Jordan's video autofocus experience, I can happily report that for me its every bit as good as the 5D Mark IV even with adapted EF glass. My only gripes so far (other than the obvious spec disappointments) are:
1) Auto ISO is not possible in CLOG
2) Non-Canon EF-S glass doesn't auto-crop
3) The multi function touch bar is stupidly horrible idea. CANON, get rid of it! We need tactile buttons and direct access to ISO & WB
4) The rear dial is to far away from my thumb.
Other than that, its actually quite a nice unit. Its biggest problem is, oddly enough for a Canon, its operation. Its comfortable enough to hold, but the lack of buttons and silly placement make it less comfortable to actually use.
The video was so soft that I kept checking my RUclips quality settings to ensure that I was in 1080p. Not good.
Agreed. lots of artifacting, too.
you still have to count in that 1080p is not its native resolution since it's shot in 4k... so yt itsself did some downgrade magic.
I did the same. It's unfortunate because this footage is quite at odds with what I've seen elsewhere. If you look at 2:30, it's pretty obvious the image isn't really "soft," but is actually back-focused on the back of the chair. Almost like it was a lens issue...? Operator error? DPAF malfunction? Would love to get some input from the OP...
Thank you, Chris and Jordan. That 4K is really soft even for my untrained eye...and digital IS is a joke. The videos shoot on GH5 from your channel are way better.
Great review guys, looks like Canon has some issues, as do all of the new mirrorless options. Thank you for pointed out the issues with shooting LOG, lack of exposure aids is very bad when shooting that flat a profile. Looking forward to your eventual Z6 review.
If this is shot on EOS R than video quality in many situations was not good at all. Muddy and blurry. Is there excessive amount of upscaled 720p footage maybe?
See 20:36
Yeah. I've reached that moment a bit later)
I think cameras with 'full frame' sensors are unsuitable for video.
You think incorrectly.
1.7 crop means your basically using full frame glass on a m43 sized sensor. Because of this you are not able to use the lenses resolving power to their fullest extent, and we should expect soft footage.
This video is likely one of the best reviews of the EOS-R that I’ve seen so far. Thanks for the depth of this review.
Yep, it brings out a lot of flaws of the camera that others missed.
But also ignores alot of great things like the automatic backup via wifi to your phone.
MikedieONE you’re correct on the Wi-Fi point. My 5D3 doesn’t have it and that is the one feature I miss compared to the 70D. As a first significant entry it’s a great effort, which will show development over time. Mostly it appears to be a mirror less 5D4 with some new twists. The absence of a 2nd card at release time is disappointing. The feature control on the new lenses or the adapter ring looks like an interesting innovation. More to come yet from Canon to be sure.
The first guy who talked to Chris had his t-shirt inside out.
He's boofing when Chris knocked...
I think it was to avoid logos
That's a pre-production t-shirt, they're not allowed to show the front on camera.
I'm Canon user for about 25 years and for more than a year start to be a Fuji user too - For a quite long time, CANON slowly digging its own grave...
This is what we deserve an honest review, without holding back or covering for the companies like many others youtube channels are doing.
Been waiting on this one from you guys! Seriously great reviews from you two. =)
Thanks for the review, done in depth and very helpful for making a buying decision. The review itself corresponded almost exactly to what I had assumed from reading the spec-sheet. The flaws in this camera show that it's not quite prime time at this stage. This model badly needs an upgrade already - probably an upgrade that will hike the price point. For the moment Canon - this is a no deal for me.
Can't wait for the KW video coming after seeing this, everyone else having fantastic fun, socializing and generally being fabulous :) Great work guys.. lovin it.
The main advantage with the video recording of full frame cameras is that you can have easily shallow depth of field with relatively wide lenses. Otherwise the video shooting with smaller sensor like micro 4/3 and telephoto lenses can be equally good and with shallow depth of field.
The crop mode of the RP during video recording is a big minus.
My two favorite Canadians, great review thanks!
It’s here!!!
DSLR Video Shooter And it’s a massive disappointment.
SWEET! 🎥🎞📽🤗🤓
its here and it sucks...... finished it for you
Yeah, it doesn't seem like a camera made for us. I'm a video guy, but I don't see much that I don't already have in my little GH4. I could add an AtomOS to my little GH4 and have a monster video machine. I don't even see a way to use my Canon FD lenses on the new R mount either. At the very least I could mount old Nikon lenses on the Z6.
The X-T3 and the Blackmagic P4k are the only two cameras I see as being a step up from what I have.
Thank you Chris and Jordan. Very good and very honest review, as usual.
Great video guys and totally fair in my opinion! The video specs are really sad to hear about. XT3 crushes it for much less money and even less of a crop! ;)
and the m50
If a mirrorless is basically useless for video (like the EOS R seems to be) than what is the point of going mirrorless for existing Canon Full Frame users (who are the only people that might have been interested in this camera)?
The biggest issue with this camera is the price. Would it have been the cheapest full frame option on the market it might have had a chance. Being so much more expensive than the A7 III I can't imagine many people will buy it.
And something else:
I'd like to see you guys do a side by side comparison of some mirrorless cameras for continuous eye autofocus and include the G85. In my experience it works fantastic even with multiple people in the frame. (the face detect focus of the G85 focuses on the closer eye)
Any chance of that happening?
Cheers from Germany 🙂
First review that they really push the camera and actually tell people the limitations it has. That's why Chris and Jordan are by far, the best reviewers.
Tony Northrup compared the Eos R with the a7III, and the Canon lost on every comparision, but he managed to say they were even because Canon has a flip screen... So yeah, bloggers can know easily how are they recordind the 1.7 cropped 4k, the shitty 720p 120fps or the ridiculously bad video due to the electronic stabilizer. He also stated tha is better ergonomically then the a7, but he complained about the AF button (same as Chris), the touchpad (same as Chris), and that it has no joystick for focus point.. the a7III may not have the better grip, but apart from that, every button and solution they came up with made the camera pretty close to perfect, specially in my hand.
Peter McKinnon says he is in love with the camera, and he talked about 120p video, which is limited to 720p an I think he didn't even mention it. Not even the problems with the stabilization or the softness of the 4k video.
Nikon and Canon has margin to improve (at least Nikon has really good video capabilities), but until the next generation, when they fix this first problems and have a wider range of lenses, I doubt that people who moved to Sony will come back to their original brands.
PS: I have to say than Iike the styling of Nikon and Canon better, the a7 desing is starting to be outdated, it has been 4 years since the a7II came out, it's time to redising for better grip, a little better ergonomics and specially a better aesthetics.
15:41 "Hey guys, it's Jordan, the new Bond girl."
DPReview subscribers can't handle the sexiness!
Unfortunately a sad showing by Canon. Some of the decisions they made are really bizarre. Like the touch bar would have been better with just two programmable buttons. The mode button with dial?, slow touch screen, no continuous shooting with eye focus, very poor video, and overall a slow camera compared to even a Fuji. I'm not sure who this camera is for? If you already have a Canon lenses, I'm not sure why you would even want this over dslr.
I credit Canon for trying out new innovative stuff - but that multi-function touch bar looks like a complete failure. It adds one more distinctive button vs a clickable wheel and completely robs user of tactile response.
What do you mean .." a slow camera compared to even a Fuji." The X-T3 is currently the fastest mirrorless camera available.
Even for Fuji? Why do you compare NORMAL camera with this garbage?
T Ray seriously… a fuji is a fuji well build dials good design very fast af beautiful evf this full frame crap i mean i dont need a extension of my ego its not made for my use i dont see the use of it. I just want to buy a camera for the next 5-6 years and fuji delivers it. I will Switch from my 60d (very good Camera @ that time to the xt3. ) why? U say?coz i came from analoge photography i loved the dials to turn to. I am a dials User guy. I get so the fastest results Tosaymyself. Of i have a model that w8 professionality i dont want to Hang up with a touchbar 😂 in the End Canon was a good brand stood for quality that i Van See anymore 😞 Sony took the course i mean These guys made 75% of their profit with ps4. But also these guys surpassed the giants like Nikon & canon. Nevertheless a Sony is not for my use. I dont like the Colors at the and what the Camera throws @ me its lifeless. I tryed a 7ii omg i was so dissapointed at that time. Not how it was in my hands, but the Image quality wtf Full frame with a zeiss lens ( that is not a zeiss Lens its just the Name on it and is Manufactured by sony. At the same time i tryed the xt1 anything was perfekt but the af was slow and also dissaponting. And the Camera way to expensive not After Almosen 3 years i get a Camera with anything i want. Sry to tell to canon nikon sony.
@@dancheb and what's worse is its practically useless in portrait mode, particularly if using the hand grip. WHICH HAS NO FOCUS JOYSTICK!
I really like the benefits of Canon and was looking to upgrade my 80d, but this is like a bad combination of the 6d mark ii and M50 with an annoying touchbar and poor ergonomics, built from leftover parts from the parts bin. I want to see a review of the Nikon Z6 and if that is not favorable, I'm moving to Sony or Panasonic for video (like many people).
If you want FF mirrorless, just get an A7iii. You wont regret it.
If you're moving because of video, you may want to consider the Fuji X-T3 as well. Their lens selection is meh, but depending on your needs it may work out even better. These guys just did a nice review on the X-T3.
For FF, I agree, just get the A7 III it's already a proven work-horse. I'm sure Panasonic will be great and they have a history with MILC so they'll be ahead of CaNikon, but they still won't use PDAF and I'm sure they'll be going through their own first-gen learning curves. Not to mention the uber-expensive L-mount glass. Given the cost of the G9, GH5 and GH5S, I can't imagine how they'll price the FF bodies. Won't be cheap is my guess.
the 4k from the EOS R seems soft.
Canon doest have the needed bandwidth so they're using some workaround to match the specs.
I started watching this video just after waking up and at first thought my eyes were blurry, but it never got any better.
@ its 1:40 am and watched it with my data pack over, just coz i had to wait for data cycle to refresh so i could upload all my stock photos to multiple sites..😁
Thankfully for me, ill be going for sony. Never considered any canon too seriously..
its a bad time to be a dedicated loyal canon shooter.
Canon continues mounting old non backi-lluminated sensors, so it must more electronically elaborate and amlify the images.
People switching back to EOS-R
ruclips.net/video/kWDJeAAfIdA/видео.html
video quality looks like 480p
That on/off switch there... I don't get it... Why?
Some things we're not meant to understand.
Two hands needed to power up the camera? Haha. No thanks Canon.
@@DeusExAstra Ohh... now I get it 😂
Its the new standard. Everyone wants it.
Remember how people were bashin the 6D II saying it should've had the 5D IV sensor?
Canon delivered on point.
The Mirrorless 6D III, much better than the 6D II but you still need to do better if you want to compete in this day and age.
Great video! cant wait for mine to arrive! Already pre-ordered it! Life is great! Thank you God!
I'm sooooooo in love with this camera!!
Hello Chris and Jordan, love your videos since you guys were at TCS TV. I got a little bit of suggestion. I'm really intrigued to see your format combined with the old DP Review Field Test. I thought the way the ytest a specific camera by covering an event (eg. The Rodeo in 1DX Mark II field test or going for camping/outing in the Nikon D500 video). Just my two cents. Cause that kind of test can push a camera in review and it's also fun to watch. Keep up the good work.
Just got mine as a first camera. It was either this or the 4 year old 5DSR. I've effectively placed my faith in Canons software engineerings.
Thanks for review, the best one so far.. My EOS R G.A.S. is coffined now.. This camera seems to be a work-in-process stuff, not really a refined finished product worth $2,300.. I prefer $500 M50 more.. Wait to see S1 full spec in few months.. Thanks again C&J
Well, I'm glad I went with X-T3 instead of waiting for this.
Thank you for this thorough unbiased review!
Looking at the price-point of this camera, I think I will stick to my Canon EOS M & Magic Lantern RAW.
Great and honest review! Was waiting for it!
It is heavy and feels nice in hand. How about using it for weight lifting? And you can adapt some big old heavy glas too!
Great Review! It's probably the best out there yet - thank you very much!
I was excited for this camera - as I'm a long-time Canon fan and have a strong lens investment. After seeing some reviews and reading some specs I was thinking about going a different direction - but I didn't. I picked-up this camera (from the Camera Store - shout out to fellow Calgarians). It's a better camera then the spec sheet shows. Although very new to it - I have been quite impressed and am enjoying it in the field. To be fair, my skill set and my needs are such that this camera hits a sweet spot for me in terms of preserving my lens investment, not being an expensive body relative to others, and giving me all the features I need in a good quality package. It's an upgrade from my D6 - so I'm long over-due for a new camera - which likely has something to do with how happy I am with it.
Your review was great - very well done! If there was one thing I would have liked to have seen - it may have been a review of the support system around the camera. Specifically, I think that the control of the camera using a smart phone and the transfer of files to a smart phone while shooting is important. It makes a second card slot a little less of a concern. It's also an option for long exposure, etc - where the image stabilization is done via a tripod.
Great review!!! But I would go Sony, I’m an urban explorer shooter and photo and video is really important, waiting for a7siii and I’m using a 7sii since release
What do you mean by "But I would go Sony"? There’s nothing in this review that suggests they prefer the Canon overs Sony, in fact its the opposite; they emphasize many of the shortcomings of the Canon.
Rodrick HD so go for the Sony and who cares.
Sachin Majotra that’s right.
I'm not a pro but this camera looks great, I'm definitely going to buy one
What a stupid conclusion...did you really watch the video?😆
They sent him to Hawaii so he wouldn't constantly nag about the cold Canadian weather.
West Senkovec After seeing this review. Where do you think they will send them next?
😂
I have no idea how they managed to do that
I feel to have been waiting a very long time to upgrade my (now occasionally glitchy) A6000 with 35mm 1.8 OSS. I was quite prepared to jump to this Canon - as it really is available now - particularly with such a great range of lenses at launch - but! Lack of image stabilisation and a ridiculous 4K crop-factor seem to put paid to that idea (2 slots would have been nice but one isn't a deal-breaker). I can't wait another 6 months (perhaps 48 months - it's Canon, after-all) for an EOS RII as my A6000 is on its way out - but after 14k images so no complaints - I'm thinking I'll just have to wait another 6-8 weeks for the A7III/Batis 40mm F2 combination.
I loved the colour rendition in your video, but... Close but no cigar...
What do you guys think (everything is just about 4K filming on eosR) if i already have best canons crop lens 17-55/f2.8 that is left from my former 80D is it important to change it to at least 16-35/2.8L II lens? Will I feel any difference in 4K filming? Because of cropped 4K widest 16/17mm field of view is almost the same. Money not a question for me but does it worth spending another 1000$ for what will I get from L lens? Photography/videography is my hobby...
N.B. I have RF24-105/f4 lens aswell. But need something wider.
I was ready to buy one tonight...but....after this review, there I go again to think of Sony Aiii (and Panasonic 4/3) as a better option for the future ahead!!
Holy pulsating autofocus, Batman!
Why did u use 17-55 EFS? You could use a full frame 16-35. The crop doesn’t require or benefit from efs over ef! Doesn’t mitigate the crop issue.
You still one of the best reviewers.
What was your experience with writing speed to the memory card, when talking still pictures? I’ve only had the opportunity to test out the preproduction version of the Canon EOS R, I used the the Sony 128GB SDXC UHS II 300/299MB/s card and I was surprised how slowly it was writing to the card.
Nice fair review guys. 👍🏻
Yes - you got to love the whispering anytime they said anything negative - Hilarious
They're Canadian. It's in their blood.
After watching this review, watch the a7iii review and remember that the sony is a few hundred dollars cheaper.
video image quality on this is pretty bad compare to a GH5
Great honest review gentlemen. That digital IS was freakin horrendous. When you showed the GH5 footage, it really put things into perspective for me. The stills images definitely looked nice, though, but it's kinda hard to evaluate that from a yt video. Aside from a Canon shooter who desperately wants a new camera, I can't for the life of me figure out what type of shooter this camera is for.
How does it focus in low light ? Some test footage of that would have been nice. I am a Canon DSLR user and often find myself disappointed when testing mirrorless cameras’ AF in darker conditions.
3fps? :D rofl. Not bad? my 350D had 3fps - 2005. Im wondering why most of the reviews from Hawaii are so... pretty for Canon?
Good that I hadn't seen this review when I was buying this camera a year before. But now (and a year before) many issues that were in this video are fixed with new firmware and eye af works pretty good and with servo af.
Canon should have swapped the positions of the top LCD and the On/Off button. It makes more sense ergonomically as it lets you operate the camera one handed.
Not really, the biggest question would be, why do we have a wheel for an on off position....
Looks like a second control wheel to me that they didn't finished to implement.
Great review, Chris and Jordan.
And Stephan Eckert for his valuable contribution, too.
Thanks for the great review. I just subscribed to your channel. You said you were “back in Calgary”. I live in Calgary, too.
I’m a Canon user. I have an old 60D and I’m looking to do a major upgrade. Currently I’m trying to decide if I should stay with Canon or maybe switch to the Sony A7R IV when it’s released later this year.
I love the flip screen on the Canon and use it almost exclusively compared to using the view finder. It’s fantastic when shooting straight up or down. I will miss that with the Sony. I also understand I’m going to need to switch lenses, too - another big expense - but it seems Sony has taken the lead in camera technology and state of the art products.
I think, most reviews miss a little detail. I might be wrong (and I'm glad to be corrected for I haven't used this camera yet), but as far as I understand, this camera actually wants to be a stills camera with added video features as alittle treat, but it doesn't try to be an allrounder or even a proper video camera. But somehow I've got the feeling, that most reviews focus on the video features (or maybe I've seen the wrong reviews). That's like watching a WW2 Drama and then after leaving the cinema complaining "Gosh that was a bad comedy!" It might have had comedic parts, but that wasn't the films focus. It's a bit like the 6D MK2 and the 6D MK1 before. Many complained about the specs, but I haven't heard of anyone who bought one to be severely disappointed.
I have to confess that I'm mainly a stills shooter so I'm not that hurt by the (actually rather poor) video capabilities of this camera. But as such I can see this camera working very well for me. Also, it isn't aimed at professionals. It could have been (and maybe should have been), but it isn't. What it is aimed for in my opinion are Canon users, who want a DSLM and might be thinking about changing to Sony. It might not beat Sony on the spec sheet (and in some points won't beat it in the real world), but it offers a lot for Canon users: A familiar, easy to use ecosystem, good AF, lovely colours and full compatiility with existing Canon glass (EF, EF-S and due to the short flange distance even Canon F, if I'm not mistaken) plus it also uses the Canon LP-E6 batteries that every Canon user should have. So the EOS R doesn't want to be the start of your new system, it wants to enhance and complement your existing one.
But as I said, I haven't used this camera yet. If you have, I'll be glad to learn from you about it.
Anyway, as usual this is a great review!
I feel the same way .. I couldn't give 2 hoots less about video in my cameras (i'm only a stills shooter) .. I've read my entire 90D and 7D (Mark I) manuals cover-to-cover, EXCEPT the video sections, because I just have zero use for it (but that's just how I use the cameras, obviously) .. I'm definitely interested in the EOS R to finally make the jump to both full frame and mirrorless without completely breaking the bank .. I'd love to go w/ the R6, but the higher price tag is making that less likely (and I'd really prefer a higher MP, since I've become very used to the 32MP in my 90D)...........
While I had no intention of witching back to Canon to buy one of these anyway, I still expected better out of Canon. There so many glaring "wtf?" moments with this thing that it really leaves me scratching my head. Great review, gents.
At least you all got some sailing and Hawaii waterfalls in, need another Hawaii vacation on another camera launch. Feels like outdoors Ontario was orchestrating the nature strings as you were walking through there. 🌲🐻
What a very strong review !!!
nice - honest review i feel the same about the canon for now they have some work to do...
I am shooting in low light and high iso and need to be on silent shutter. Are the rolling shutter issues any better with the firmware update? I think you can now do multishots
Pretty much same conclusion I had. The processing power isn't there to actually make this a camera worth 2300 USD. Since it's pretty much the same processing power they had in their M50 witch they price at 800 USD...
two things canon did get right, and thats the shutter covering the sensor which i've been requesting on sony's and the drop in filters. Both those features would be amazing to have.
It's almost a crime that the most ergonomically shaped body has such strange positioning of buttons, weak sealing, slow processing, and a lack of certain key technology. Thanks for the review, gents. I had hoped for this one. Will check it out in Ginza next week, but I think I'm probably going to have to hunker down in Fujifilm land for the time being, which, as a Fuji owner but detractor, is a bugger.
There is some weird color fringing in the highlights and shadows at times, purple to blue/cyan and some weird yellows... is it just me?
That's just how EF-S glass rolls, it seems.
📸 I wanted to love this camera but 4K crop and no IBIS kills it for me. With those features lacking I’d probably rather save the money and buy the Fuji XT-3 and put the hundreds saved towards good glass.
Loved your work-around idea for the single card slot! LOLOL!
Lovely review. DP's best so far.
Me eh :( unimpressed, former Canon 60D user, considering either the Sony A7iii or waiting on the Panasonic S1 my personal preference is the Panasonic, I have used owned many over the years Still own my Panasonic plasma from 2007 still looks great. Just hoping for some better updates on the Panasonic, but hell the Sony A7iii is impressive. What do you guys think?
Almost perfect. Love the flip out touch screen I wish Nikon Z series should have included.
My first SLR camera, back in the summer of '70, was the Canon FT QL and came with a Canon 50mm f1.4 with the aperture ring near the front edge of the lens, so the 'new' Canon lens design isn't so new.
Are those images right after the shots edited or it came right out of the camera?
The On Off switchbhas always been on the Left in Pro Bodies. Also the Mode Dial too. I dont understand how thats a Flaw? Considering they gave the Mode Dial to right. Should be half thankful haha.
Excellent ergonomics!!!?/ Chris man, c'mon! Canon have perfectly designed buttons and functionality on dslrs. Direct buttons for mayor settings, joystick and control wheel. They abandon it on R!!?? Why for the love of God!!?? It worked just fine for us for decades! Don't fix it if it's not broken Canon!!!
Beside one one card slot and omission of ibis, this is mayor setback for me and basically nailed my not buying decision.
It looks like a cool camera and I'm glad Canon is starting to take mirrorless seriously but im not actually seeing anything here that couldn't have been done with the 6Dm2
Perfect review, you guys are amazing!
Great review.
As a current Canon user looking to move to full frame, I pre-ordered one. I almost never shoot any video so don't really care about those features (or lack there of) and that RF mount has me excited for the future. Moving from the 80D, the sensor will be an upgrade for me and all my existing lenses work with it. I'm also really excited and intrigued with Canon's commitment to new features in firmware updates.
Maybe if I were a new shooter, I'd go with the A7III, but my Canon glass will be great on this thing.
Chris B the A7R3 is made in Thailand and is not weather proof.
You mean the AF with your glasses will be slow ať 3fps while you can do cheaper with A7III ať 8-10fps and with extra features on top of it. Hmmm
@@Davitor1 it is. The only issue is batttery bottom And it would be really issue if you put the body on table full of water. Otherwise the weather sealing is fine ;-) and more then adequate.
got the camera last week, it feels really good in hand. It sucks on paper, but when you really use it, it is a very good travel camera and does most things ok. Eye tracking is good and tracks cats and dogs eyes. I only have the 24-105atm, it’s better than the EF one, waiting for the 50 1.2, with the adapter, all my Ef lens works very good, just like attach on a canon 5d4. so far so good, it’s that of camera you really need to use it in hand.
All cameras are very good these days
Longrider yea, I guess there will be a pro model in early next year, I’m happy with the eos r atm:)
It's usable but you can get better for your money that's the point.
The price just doesnt justify it
I think it's the opposite. Good on paper and sucks to use (and yes I have used it)
Any informed opinions here on how stabilised video looks using the RF 24-105 with the IS on? Im loathe to give up the dreamy IS in my little Lumix G85 but one camera would be handier than two (6D for stills). Have only found two youtube clips showing examples of this, more would be great.
Chris: Have you had the chance to "re-review" the camera after the firmware updates?