I wish these manufacturers would stop worrying about the top LCD and put a better feature in its place, ie more custom buttons, or another analog knob. I understand on this camera they want you to use the new RF more and I think it’s a forward thinking item (as a Sony shooter) but the top LCD just seems like a waste on a mirrorless camera when you see all that info in the EVF. Thanks guys as always!
I also can't live without a top LCD. It is the best way to know and set the exposure settings without needed to look through the viewfinder or at the rear display. I usually check it while talking to the models etc.. In this case it would be really awkward and look unprofessional if I would be looking through the viewfinder to do this
i think its fine if it allows you to see stuff you cant see on the screen due to sunlight or lack of sunlight. that said id better have a better screen and a light sensor to switch the display into night mode than the top lcd, then use that for a dial of course
Not even G9 nor LX100 for that matter. This EOS R videos image quality and color science look pretty mediocre. Coupled with that 1.7x crop factor, definitely a big no-no for shooting videos.
I was watching this review on my 4k TV and the video looked really soft/muddy. Thought it might be RUclips's compression, but the images (and product shots) were really sharp. Then I re-watched DPReview's recent X-T3 review and man what a difference!
Well, he never said the X-T3 was a full frame camera. In reality APS-C is marginally bigger than 35mm motion picture, smaller than Super 35mm motion picture film frame. So "full-frame" is relative.
Interesting and beneficial use of multiple input from Jordan and Steve.......with neither of them being a "Yes Man" to each other, they shoot differently and this brings more info to the viewer about how things can be managed when "problems" surface........nice touch.........
This is really a superior video, truly. I've learned things here that I've not seen mentioned in other reviews to date, or at least not in the same detail. And the visit with Stephen Eckert was very worthwhile. Bravo, DP Review.
I've had the EOS R for a day and I think the video quality is great when you leave the digital stabilizer off. It does seem to soften with the digital stabilizer added. The RF 24-105 IS does a great job on its own, I'd be happy shooting with that lens in a lot of situations.
Nah, Tony is just leaving room for the future as he has learned his lesson while reviewing the 6dii. You can't tell the true value and utility of a camera when you have to push out a review after a week or two. Ultimately, it's better for your credibility to publish an update on a product than an "I was wrong" video.
I agree that Tony was being overly generous with that comment, but otherwise the review was unbiased and showed how lacking the Canon camera is compared to the A7iii. So, I think Tony was just making the point that it's not a clear winner to ALL people. Some people are heavily invested in Canon glass and dont need all the features you get in the A7iii... so to THEM, it's not as clear as saying that the Sony camera is the winner. THEY might still want to get the Canon one... if they dont mind staying in an abusive relationship with Canon. But, still, I agree that Tony should have made a clearer statement about which camera won there. The A7iii did, without a doubt.
Completely agree. He hyped the hell out of that camera when it has soft 4k, cropped 4k, weak digital image stabilization, front focuses a lot, and tracking isn't the greatest.
3 FPS in stills, soft looking video with 1.6 crop in 4K, mediocre focusing speed and accuracy, last generation sensor, no IBS but it feels nice in hand. Well done Canon. :)
Very sharp 4k, 1.7 times crop, very fast and accurate autofocus in stills, very accurate and cinematic AF in video mode, great sensor from the 5D mk.IV, only electronic stabilization (except from the great IS in the lenses.)
you guys are coming back strong. first few vids with dpreview, it felt different. but this is like the old school chris and jordans reviews i like. keepin it real
I did the same. It's unfortunate because this footage is quite at odds with what I've seen elsewhere. If you look at 2:30, it's pretty obvious the image isn't really "soft," but is actually back-focused on the back of the chair. Almost like it was a lens issue...? Operator error? DPAF malfunction? Would love to get some input from the OP...
MikedieONE you’re correct on the Wi-Fi point. My 5D3 doesn’t have it and that is the one feature I miss compared to the 70D. As a first significant entry it’s a great effort, which will show development over time. Mostly it appears to be a mirror less 5D4 with some new twists. The absence of a 2nd card at release time is disappointing. The feature control on the new lenses or the adapter ring looks like an interesting innovation. More to come yet from Canon to be sure.
I came here to comment that I agree with Chris in reference to the top LCD. I mean, I see how some people could find it useful I suppose, but I personally don't see a need for it.
If this is shot on EOS R than video quality in many situations was not good at all. Muddy and blurry. Is there excessive amount of upscaled 720p footage maybe?
1.7 crop means your basically using full frame glass on a m43 sized sensor. Because of this you are not able to use the lenses resolving power to their fullest extent, and we should expect soft footage.
Damn, great review (especially the use of the EFS 17-55mm), but the only thing missing from this review was a real world test of Low Light photography and video. No one else has put the EOS R through it’s paces in low light. There’s a Canon produced video on their channel showcasing a photographer taking photos of miners in very low light conditions but I’d love to see you guys test low light for yourselves.
What you expect. It was hunting a lot even in the day, will be even worse in low light logically. They also said the pictures qaulity is behind competition. Just go to DPreview, choose in studio scene comparsion tool 5DIV and you can compare the ISO performance for still which Is worse then Sony. And ISO in 4k Is restricted to only 12800 So it tells the full story. Subpar performance for more money then competition.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like a camera made for us. I'm a video guy, but I don't see much that I don't already have in my little GH4. I could add an AtomOS to my little GH4 and have a monster video machine. I don't even see a way to use my Canon FD lenses on the new R mount either. At the very least I could mount old Nikon lenses on the Z6. The X-T3 and the Blackmagic P4k are the only two cameras I see as being a step up from what I have.
Did anyone do any tests for photos? :-) I know, and understand this is not great for video shooters.. but, what about the main functions as a stills camera LOL? Nothing was mentioned, and I feel like if your going to do a review, this should have been covered. But, great job talking about all the video aspects!
@ its 1:40 am and watched it with my data pack over, just coz i had to wait for data cycle to refresh so i could upload all my stock photos to multiple sites..😁 Thankfully for me, ill be going for sony. Never considered any canon too seriously.. its a bad time to be a dedicated loyal canon shooter.
The main advantage with the video recording of full frame cameras is that you can have easily shallow depth of field with relatively wide lenses. Otherwise the video shooting with smaller sensor like micro 4/3 and telephoto lenses can be equally good and with shallow depth of field. The crop mode of the RP during video recording is a big minus.
My EOS R arrived today, and after some nervousness based on Jordan's video autofocus experience, I can happily report that for me its every bit as good as the 5D Mark IV even with adapted EF glass. My only gripes so far (other than the obvious spec disappointments) are: 1) Auto ISO is not possible in CLOG 2) Non-Canon EF-S glass doesn't auto-crop 3) The multi function touch bar is stupidly horrible idea. CANON, get rid of it! We need tactile buttons and direct access to ISO & WB 4) The rear dial is to far away from my thumb. Other than that, its actually quite a nice unit. Its biggest problem is, oddly enough for a Canon, its operation. Its comfortable enough to hold, but the lack of buttons and silly placement make it less comfortable to actually use.
I really like the benefits of Canon and was looking to upgrade my 80d, but this is like a bad combination of the 6d mark ii and M50 with an annoying touchbar and poor ergonomics, built from leftover parts from the parts bin. I want to see a review of the Nikon Z6 and if that is not favorable, I'm moving to Sony or Panasonic for video (like many people).
If you're moving because of video, you may want to consider the Fuji X-T3 as well. Their lens selection is meh, but depending on your needs it may work out even better. These guys just did a nice review on the X-T3. For FF, I agree, just get the A7 III it's already a proven work-horse. I'm sure Panasonic will be great and they have a history with MILC so they'll be ahead of CaNikon, but they still won't use PDAF and I'm sure they'll be going through their own first-gen learning curves. Not to mention the uber-expensive L-mount glass. Given the cost of the G9, GH5 and GH5S, I can't imagine how they'll price the FF bodies. Won't be cheap is my guess.
Can't wait for the KW video coming after seeing this, everyone else having fantastic fun, socializing and generally being fabulous :) Great work guys.. lovin it.
Mako Sports because it’s a Canon review. I love Canon colors and durability standard enough not to ever watch a Sony review. All I need to know is that Sony makes their cameras in China.
@@makosports I'll have to respectfully disagree with that assessment (at least the "always" part). I've never been a fan of Canon DSLR footage, but my C200 and XF400 are perfectly sharp. BTW, as I noted elsewhere in this thread, if you look at 2:30, it's pretty obvious the image isn't really "soft," but is actually back-focused on the back of the chair. Almost like it was a lens issue...? Operator error? DPAF malfunction? Would love to get some input from the OP...
Thank you, Chris and Jordan. That 4K is really soft even for my untrained eye...and digital IS is a joke. The videos shoot on GH5 from your channel are way better.
How does it focus in low light ? Some test footage of that would have been nice. I am a Canon DSLR user and often find myself disappointed when testing mirrorless cameras’ AF in darker conditions.
Great review. As a current Canon user looking to move to full frame, I pre-ordered one. I almost never shoot any video so don't really care about those features (or lack there of) and that RF mount has me excited for the future. Moving from the 80D, the sensor will be an upgrade for me and all my existing lenses work with it. I'm also really excited and intrigued with Canon's commitment to new features in firmware updates. Maybe if I were a new shooter, I'd go with the A7III, but my Canon glass will be great on this thing.
@@Davitor1 it is. The only issue is batttery bottom And it would be really issue if you put the body on table full of water. Otherwise the weather sealing is fine ;-) and more then adequate.
Great review guys, looks like Canon has some issues, as do all of the new mirrorless options. Thank you for pointed out the issues with shooting LOG, lack of exposure aids is very bad when shooting that flat a profile. Looking forward to your eventual Z6 review.
Thanks for the review, done in depth and very helpful for making a buying decision. The review itself corresponded almost exactly to what I had assumed from reading the spec-sheet. The flaws in this camera show that it's not quite prime time at this stage. This model badly needs an upgrade already - probably an upgrade that will hike the price point. For the moment Canon - this is a no deal for me.
I am shooting in low light and high iso and need to be on silent shutter. Are the rolling shutter issues any better with the firmware update? I think you can now do multishots
I think, most reviews miss a little detail. I might be wrong (and I'm glad to be corrected for I haven't used this camera yet), but as far as I understand, this camera actually wants to be a stills camera with added video features as alittle treat, but it doesn't try to be an allrounder or even a proper video camera. But somehow I've got the feeling, that most reviews focus on the video features (or maybe I've seen the wrong reviews). That's like watching a WW2 Drama and then after leaving the cinema complaining "Gosh that was a bad comedy!" It might have had comedic parts, but that wasn't the films focus. It's a bit like the 6D MK2 and the 6D MK1 before. Many complained about the specs, but I haven't heard of anyone who bought one to be severely disappointed. I have to confess that I'm mainly a stills shooter so I'm not that hurt by the (actually rather poor) video capabilities of this camera. But as such I can see this camera working very well for me. Also, it isn't aimed at professionals. It could have been (and maybe should have been), but it isn't. What it is aimed for in my opinion are Canon users, who want a DSLM and might be thinking about changing to Sony. It might not beat Sony on the spec sheet (and in some points won't beat it in the real world), but it offers a lot for Canon users: A familiar, easy to use ecosystem, good AF, lovely colours and full compatiility with existing Canon glass (EF, EF-S and due to the short flange distance even Canon F, if I'm not mistaken) plus it also uses the Canon LP-E6 batteries that every Canon user should have. So the EOS R doesn't want to be the start of your new system, it wants to enhance and complement your existing one. But as I said, I haven't used this camera yet. If you have, I'll be glad to learn from you about it. Anyway, as usual this is a great review!
I feel the same way .. I couldn't give 2 hoots less about video in my cameras (i'm only a stills shooter) .. I've read my entire 90D and 7D (Mark I) manuals cover-to-cover, EXCEPT the video sections, because I just have zero use for it (but that's just how I use the cameras, obviously) .. I'm definitely interested in the EOS R to finally make the jump to both full frame and mirrorless without completely breaking the bank .. I'd love to go w/ the R6, but the higher price tag is making that less likely (and I'd really prefer a higher MP, since I've become very used to the 32MP in my 90D)...........
At least you all got some sailing and Hawaii waterfalls in, need another Hawaii vacation on another camera launch. Feels like outdoors Ontario was orchestrating the nature strings as you were walking through there. 🌲🐻
What’s the problem with the on/off switch? It’s the same position on all the other enthusiast and pro level cameras with the exception of the 1D series
Great review!!! But I would go Sony, I’m an urban explorer shooter and photo and video is really important, waiting for a7siii and I’m using a 7sii since release
What do you mean by "But I would go Sony"? There’s nothing in this review that suggests they prefer the Canon overs Sony, in fact its the opposite; they emphasize many of the shortcomings of the Canon.
I was excited for this camera - as I'm a long-time Canon fan and have a strong lens investment. After seeing some reviews and reading some specs I was thinking about going a different direction - but I didn't. I picked-up this camera (from the Camera Store - shout out to fellow Calgarians). It's a better camera then the spec sheet shows. Although very new to it - I have been quite impressed and am enjoying it in the field. To be fair, my skill set and my needs are such that this camera hits a sweet spot for me in terms of preserving my lens investment, not being an expensive body relative to others, and giving me all the features I need in a good quality package. It's an upgrade from my D6 - so I'm long over-due for a new camera - which likely has something to do with how happy I am with it. Your review was great - very well done! If there was one thing I would have liked to have seen - it may have been a review of the support system around the camera. Specifically, I think that the control of the camera using a smart phone and the transfer of files to a smart phone while shooting is important. It makes a second card slot a little less of a concern. It's also an option for long exposure, etc - where the image stabilization is done via a tripod.
Any informed opinions here on how stabilised video looks using the RF 24-105 with the IS on? Im loathe to give up the dreamy IS in my little Lumix G85 but one camera would be handier than two (6D for stills). Have only found two youtube clips showing examples of this, more would be great.
What do you guys think (everything is just about 4K filming on eosR) if i already have best canons crop lens 17-55/f2.8 that is left from my former 80D is it important to change it to at least 16-35/2.8L II lens? Will I feel any difference in 4K filming? Because of cropped 4K widest 16/17mm field of view is almost the same. Money not a question for me but does it worth spending another 1000$ for what will I get from L lens? Photography/videography is my hobby... N.B. I have RF24-105/f4 lens aswell. But need something wider.
Did Jordan use Face Tracking AF in all shots or Manually or are there too many downscaling/upscalings in Post? The Video looks just not Sharp and even out of focus in some parts.
As mentioned in the opening, and during my video talk, I used Face/Subject tracking for the entire video as a test. As you saw, it had way more issues than I would expect from a Canon Dual Pixel AF camera.
Remember how people were bashin the 6D II saying it should've had the 5D IV sensor? Canon delivered on point. The Mirrorless 6D III, much better than the 6D II but you still need to do better if you want to compete in this day and age.
My first SLR camera, back in the summer of '70, was the Canon FT QL and came with a Canon 50mm f1.4 with the aperture ring near the front edge of the lens, so the 'new' Canon lens design isn't so new.
got the camera last week, it feels really good in hand. It sucks on paper, but when you really use it, it is a very good travel camera and does most things ok. Eye tracking is good and tracks cats and dogs eyes. I only have the 24-105atm, it’s better than the EF one, waiting for the 50 1.2, with the adapter, all my Ef lens works very good, just like attach on a canon 5d4. so far so good, it’s that of camera you really need to use it in hand.
Great video guys and totally fair in my opinion! The video specs are really sad to hear about. XT3 crushes it for much less money and even less of a crop! ;)
As a Canon shooter what I really want is more companies on the scene to compete with metabones adapters I really have waited too long with Canon for Sony equivalents to use with my Canon lenses. Canon stopped competing way too long ago. Nikon did a much better job with the Z. I do have nikon lenses so that's also a possibility but If I was to go totally Nikon I would just buy a D850 and be done with it probably the best camera out there anyway. As a nature photographer my best but very drastic option is to sell everything buy the recent Sony 400mm f2.8 a Sony A9 or maybe A7R3.
nature albums Canon is made in Japan. Let me ask you a simple question and please answer it. Would you rather buy an automobile made in Japan or China?
Do you use Apple? ...made in China. Sorry that's one thing you won't convince me on. I think if it was 10 years ago I may be worried. I've been to China a few times and I've seen for myself. To be honest, once you visit the major cities in China such as Shanghai, Beijing etc, you will be pretty impressed in the infrastructure, and feel how shabby of crumbling infrastructure in USA. China holds the top two spots for fastest computers in the world, and Switzerland holds the third, with the U.S. in the fourth, fifth and sixth spots. Many of the top well renowned photographers are already switching over to Sony and why not they really have done amazingly while Canon lens side is very good the camera division has just sat on their fat asses for the last almost a decade I certainly won't be buying anything with Canon anymore ..
I feel to have been waiting a very long time to upgrade my (now occasionally glitchy) A6000 with 35mm 1.8 OSS. I was quite prepared to jump to this Canon - as it really is available now - particularly with such a great range of lenses at launch - but! Lack of image stabilisation and a ridiculous 4K crop-factor seem to put paid to that idea (2 slots would have been nice but one isn't a deal-breaker). I can't wait another 6 months (perhaps 48 months - it's Canon, after-all) for an EOS RII as my A6000 is on its way out - but after 14k images so no complaints - I'm thinking I'll just have to wait another 6-8 weeks for the A7III/Batis 40mm F2 combination. I loved the colour rendition in your video, but... Close but no cigar...
It is the best first full frame mirrorless camera iteration from Canon, a very good start. For me as a Canon photographer, is a must have, not that I can afford it, but nice to dream about. In fact, it is a promise for the things to come. I won't compare it with anything, but Canon products. So, I am content. BTW, regarding the touch control that simulate a slide and two buttons, it is good to eliminate the mechanical problems real buttons develops in time. But I think only one slide is enough right now.
What was your experience with writing speed to the memory card, when talking still pictures? I’ve only had the opportunity to test out the preproduction version of the Canon EOS R, I used the the Sony 128GB SDXC UHS II 300/299MB/s card and I was surprised how slowly it was writing to the card.
Good that I hadn't seen this review when I was buying this camera a year before. But now (and a year before) many issues that were in this video are fixed with new firmware and eye af works pretty good and with servo af.
Hello Chris and Jordan, love your videos since you guys were at TCS TV. I got a little bit of suggestion. I'm really intrigued to see your format combined with the old DP Review Field Test. I thought the way the ytest a specific camera by covering an event (eg. The Rodeo in 1DX Mark II field test or going for camping/outing in the Nikon D500 video). Just my two cents. Cause that kind of test can push a camera in review and it's also fun to watch. Keep up the good work.
The On Off switchbhas always been on the Left in Pro Bodies. Also the Mode Dial too. I dont understand how thats a Flaw? Considering they gave the Mode Dial to right. Should be half thankful haha.
Unfortunately a sad showing by Canon. Some of the decisions they made are really bizarre. Like the touch bar would have been better with just two programmable buttons. The mode button with dial?, slow touch screen, no continuous shooting with eye focus, very poor video, and overall a slow camera compared to even a Fuji. I'm not sure who this camera is for? If you already have a Canon lenses, I'm not sure why you would even want this over dslr.
I credit Canon for trying out new innovative stuff - but that multi-function touch bar looks like a complete failure. It adds one more distinctive button vs a clickable wheel and completely robs user of tactile response.
T Ray seriously… a fuji is a fuji well build dials good design very fast af beautiful evf this full frame crap i mean i dont need a extension of my ego its not made for my use i dont see the use of it. I just want to buy a camera for the next 5-6 years and fuji delivers it. I will Switch from my 60d (very good Camera @ that time to the xt3. ) why? U say?coz i came from analoge photography i loved the dials to turn to. I am a dials User guy. I get so the fastest results Tosaymyself. Of i have a model that w8 professionality i dont want to Hang up with a touchbar 😂 in the End Canon was a good brand stood for quality that i Van See anymore 😞 Sony took the course i mean These guys made 75% of their profit with ps4. But also these guys surpassed the giants like Nikon & canon. Nevertheless a Sony is not for my use. I dont like the Colors at the and what the Camera throws @ me its lifeless. I tryed a 7ii omg i was so dissapointed at that time. Not how it was in my hands, but the Image quality wtf Full frame with a zeiss lens ( that is not a zeiss Lens its just the Name on it and is Manufactured by sony. At the same time i tryed the xt1 anything was perfekt but the af was slow and also dissaponting. And the Camera way to expensive not After Almosen 3 years i get a Camera with anything i want. Sry to tell to canon nikon sony.
If a mirrorless is basically useless for video (like the EOS R seems to be) than what is the point of going mirrorless for existing Canon Full Frame users (who are the only people that might have been interested in this camera)? The biggest issue with this camera is the price. Would it have been the cheapest full frame option on the market it might have had a chance. Being so much more expensive than the A7 III I can't imagine many people will buy it. And something else: I'd like to see you guys do a side by side comparison of some mirrorless cameras for continuous eye autofocus and include the G85. In my experience it works fantastic even with multiple people in the frame. (the face detect focus of the G85 focuses on the closer eye) Any chance of that happening? Cheers from Germany 🙂
Canon should have swapped the positions of the top LCD and the On/Off button. It makes more sense ergonomically as it lets you operate the camera one handed.
Not really, the biggest question would be, why do we have a wheel for an on off position.... Looks like a second control wheel to me that they didn't finished to implement.
two things canon did get right, and thats the shutter covering the sensor which i've been requesting on sony's and the drop in filters. Both those features would be amazing to have.
@@villagranvicent I know right? 95% of the comments are just complaining about the camera, yet I couldn't seem to find a single person comment about those beautiful shots. Definitely some of my favorite shots Chris has done.
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Chris did a great job with the images and managed to get around the shortcomings of this camera. That's what a good photographer does but this is not a test of his skills, it's the test of a camera.
Carl Ryan gosh, it must have been so hard getting around the shortcomings of a sensor with great image quality for stills and absolutely amazing lenses. This is the type of comment someone that doesn't actually go outside and take pictures makes.
First review that they really push the camera and actually tell people the limitations it has. That's why Chris and Jordan are by far, the best reviewers. Tony Northrup compared the Eos R with the a7III, and the Canon lost on every comparision, but he managed to say they were even because Canon has a flip screen... So yeah, bloggers can know easily how are they recordind the 1.7 cropped 4k, the shitty 720p 120fps or the ridiculously bad video due to the electronic stabilizer. He also stated tha is better ergonomically then the a7, but he complained about the AF button (same as Chris), the touchpad (same as Chris), and that it has no joystick for focus point.. the a7III may not have the better grip, but apart from that, every button and solution they came up with made the camera pretty close to perfect, specially in my hand. Peter McKinnon says he is in love with the camera, and he talked about 120p video, which is limited to 720p an I think he didn't even mention it. Not even the problems with the stabilization or the softness of the 4k video. Nikon and Canon has margin to improve (at least Nikon has really good video capabilities), but until the next generation, when they fix this first problems and have a wider range of lenses, I doubt that people who moved to Sony will come back to their original brands. PS: I have to say than Iike the styling of Nikon and Canon better, the a7 desing is starting to be outdated, it has been 4 years since the a7II came out, it's time to redising for better grip, a little better ergonomics and specially a better aesthetics.
I was ready to buy one tonight...but....after this review, there I go again to think of Sony Aiii (and Panasonic 4/3) as a better option for the future ahead!!
Just a small question for a hobbist still learning:As an example 11:40 : Why do you use ISO 400 1/400th in this picture where you want to freeze the frame (and not show motion) instead of using 1/1600th and going down to the base ISO? Isn't base ISO when possible always better than introducing noise?
You have it backwards. At 1/1600th shutter speed would require an ISO of 1600 for equal exposure. anyway this camera is a total turd. they were trying to be nice otherwise canon wouldn't give them any more free holidays
It's almost a crime that the most ergonomically shaped body has such strange positioning of buttons, weak sealing, slow processing, and a lack of certain key technology. Thanks for the review, gents. I had hoped for this one. Will check it out in Ginza next week, but I think I'm probably going to have to hunker down in Fujifilm land for the time being, which, as a Fuji owner but detractor, is a bugger.
I traded in my 5DIV while for a pre-order of the EOS-R. I figured my 5DIV would plummet in value soon so swapped it for almost zero extra cost. However, after watching this video I fear I may have made a mistake. I've not received the R yet, but my primary reason for getting the R was to be able to film through the viewfinder while maintaining the 5DIV's great video autofocus and gaining C-LOG and a flippy screen. However, if the DPAF doesn't work as as well as the 5DIV then that is a major disappointment.
I figured it was riskier to hang on to the 5DIv, in resale value terms.. And I was right.... The following week is trade in value dropped like a stone. The Sony is without doubt a better camera, but this is to be used as a B camera with my Canon C200, so switching systems would be a major hassle and cost for me. Totally agree though, most people should get a Sony.
Thanks for having me on gentlemen, it was a great time!
Stephen will you be doing a review on the video in EOS R?
AP Studios yup! We’re working on our full review right now, should be out in a few weeks
I wish these manufacturers would stop worrying about the top LCD and put a better feature in its place, ie more custom buttons, or another analog knob. I understand on this camera they want you to use the new RF more and I think it’s a forward thinking item (as a Sony shooter) but the top LCD just seems like a waste on a mirrorless camera when you see all that info in the EVF. Thanks guys as always!
Look coming from a D-SLR shooter we have to ease in to change. For the people 40 plus we are used to Top lcd and a proper camera has one
game2572 I can understand that.. I’m 43 this year as well, but only have a few mirrorless years behind me so I can see that perspective
Prashanth Panicker if you’re using a dslr I understand but on a mirrorless this info is displayed through your EVF and on the back screen.
I also can't live without a top LCD. It is the best way to know and set the exposure settings without needed to look through the viewfinder or at the rear display. I usually check it while talking to the models etc.. In this case it would be really awkward and look unprofessional if I would be looking through the viewfinder to do this
i think its fine if it allows you to see stuff you cant see on the screen due to sunlight or lack of sunlight. that said id better have a better screen and a light sensor to switch the display into night mode than the top lcd, then use that for a dial of course
That 4k footage didnt hold up next to the gh5 footage at all.
Not even G9 nor LX100 for that matter. This EOS R videos image quality and color science look pretty mediocre. Coupled with that 1.7x crop factor, definitely a big no-no for shooting videos.
Yeah, I have been wondering about that crop factor. My little GH4 does about that well. The balance of power has shifted to Fuji, Sony and Panasonic.
I was watching this review on my 4k TV and the video looked really soft/muddy. Thought it might be RUclips's compression, but the images (and product shots) were really sharp. Then I re-watched DPReview's recent X-T3 review and man what a difference!
BROis the XT3 is not a full frame camera.
Well, he never said the X-T3 was a full frame camera. In reality APS-C is marginally bigger than 35mm motion picture, smaller than Super 35mm motion picture film frame. So "full-frame" is relative.
I watched about 1000 hours of Jareds Channel and there never ever was so much of Stephen... The Slowmo in the Pool made my Day.
Stephen deserves more love. He's an awesome guy and insanely good at what he does. I was thrilled to have him on the show.
I like his work too. He's much more then a side kick. Thanks for haveing him!
I loved the last 3 minutes of brutal honesty
Interesting and beneficial use of multiple input from Jordan and Steve.......with neither of them being a "Yes Man" to each other, they shoot differently and this brings more info to the viewer about how things can be managed when "problems" surface........nice touch.........
This is really a superior video, truly. I've learned things here that I've not seen mentioned in other reviews to date, or at least not in the same detail. And the visit with Stephen Eckert was very worthwhile. Bravo, DP Review.
Exactly
720p 120fps, 1.7x crop, great achievement Canon! This is truly camera of the future (future versions will do 480p)
I think Canon's original marketing theme was Back to the Future.
Brian Mi yes but it does have a full articulating screen.
laggy touchscreen,half backed dual pixel af...and many more cripple
And maybe in future: 144p :v
I've had the EOS R for a day and I think the video quality is great when you leave the digital stabilizer off. It does seem to soften with the digital stabilizer added. The RF 24-105 IS does a great job on its own, I'd be happy shooting with that lens in a lot of situations.
But Kyle, no one wants to hear about practical hands-on experience when we're all having so much fun bashing from the bleachers! J/K, I hear you.
'There is no clear winner' - Tony Northrup comparing this camera to the A7III. Thanks for your honest take Chris & Jordan!
Tony was politicking hard trying to show the camera in the best light, this review is more objective.
Nah, Tony is just leaving room for the future as he has learned his lesson while reviewing the 6dii. You can't tell the true value and utility of a camera when you have to push out a review after a week or two. Ultimately, it's better for your credibility to publish an update on a product than an "I was wrong" video.
I agree that Tony was being overly generous with that comment, but otherwise the review was unbiased and showed how lacking the Canon camera is compared to the A7iii. So, I think Tony was just making the point that it's not a clear winner to ALL people. Some people are heavily invested in Canon glass and dont need all the features you get in the A7iii... so to THEM, it's not as clear as saying that the Sony camera is the winner. THEY might still want to get the Canon one... if they dont mind staying in an abusive relationship with Canon. But, still, I agree that Tony should have made a clearer statement about which camera won there. The A7iii did, without a doubt.
DeusExAstra the A7iii still has a lower resolution and it’s made in Thailand with no articulating screen. I know the truth hurts but just get over it.
The tiltable screen is better than articulating screen for waist level shooting.
That photo at 13:31 is so awesome. That alone could sell cameras, it made me want one.
This is what I call HONEST review. Peter McKinnon should be ashamed.
Completely agree. He hyped the hell out of that camera when it has soft 4k, cropped 4k, weak digital image stabilization, front focuses a lot, and tracking isn't the greatest.
You guys mean Peter and all the other YTubers out there weren't being honest in their reviews? Bummer
Those RUclipsrs can't monetize the maximum if they are honest. They are there for business.
I unsubscribed from this dude months ago, he was too much of canon fanboy, and canon sucks,
Michael Tapl his preset sucks so bad....
3 FPS in stills, soft looking video with 1.6 crop in 4K, mediocre focusing speed and accuracy, last generation sensor, no IBS but it feels nice in hand. Well done Canon. :)
I hope their next, more professional mirrorless camera is a lot better.
and the native lenses for it are expensive as balls.
Maybe because the EOS R's sensor is largely based from EOS 5D IV
Just 3fps?😨
Thanks for save my time😬
Very sharp 4k, 1.7 times crop, very fast and accurate autofocus in stills, very accurate and cinematic AF in video mode, great sensor from the 5D mk.IV, only electronic stabilization (except from the great IS in the lenses.)
you guys are coming back strong. first few vids with dpreview, it felt different. but this is like the old school chris and jordans reviews i like. keepin it real
The video was so soft that I kept checking my RUclips quality settings to ensure that I was in 1080p. Not good.
Agreed. lots of artifacting, too.
you still have to count in that 1080p is not its native resolution since it's shot in 4k... so yt itsself did some downgrade magic.
I did the same. It's unfortunate because this footage is quite at odds with what I've seen elsewhere. If you look at 2:30, it's pretty obvious the image isn't really "soft," but is actually back-focused on the back of the chair. Almost like it was a lens issue...? Operator error? DPAF malfunction? Would love to get some input from the OP...
HA HA HA, "Take a picture, take the card out, put another card in, take the same picture, super convenient..." :-) Too funny!
I laughed out loud at that!
This video is likely one of the best reviews of the EOS-R that I’ve seen so far. Thanks for the depth of this review.
Yep, it brings out a lot of flaws of the camera that others missed.
But also ignores alot of great things like the automatic backup via wifi to your phone.
MikedieONE you’re correct on the Wi-Fi point. My 5D3 doesn’t have it and that is the one feature I miss compared to the 70D. As a first significant entry it’s a great effort, which will show development over time. Mostly it appears to be a mirror less 5D4 with some new twists. The absence of a 2nd card at release time is disappointing. The feature control on the new lenses or the adapter ring looks like an interesting innovation. More to come yet from Canon to be sure.
I came here to comment that I agree with Chris in reference to the top LCD. I mean, I see how some people could find it useful I suppose, but I personally don't see a need for it.
If this is shot on EOS R than video quality in many situations was not good at all. Muddy and blurry. Is there excessive amount of upscaled 720p footage maybe?
See 20:36
Yeah. I've reached that moment a bit later)
I think cameras with 'full frame' sensors are unsuitable for video.
You think incorrectly.
1.7 crop means your basically using full frame glass on a m43 sized sensor. Because of this you are not able to use the lenses resolving power to their fullest extent, and we should expect soft footage.
Damn, great review (especially the use of the EFS 17-55mm), but the only thing missing from this review was a real world test of Low Light photography and video.
No one else has put the EOS R through it’s paces in low light. There’s a Canon produced video on their channel showcasing a photographer taking photos of miners in very low light conditions but I’d love to see you guys test low light for yourselves.
What you expect. It was hunting a lot even in the day, will be even worse in low light logically. They also said the pictures qaulity is behind competition. Just go to DPreview, choose in studio scene comparsion tool 5DIV and you can compare the ISO performance for still which Is worse then Sony. And ISO in 4k Is restricted to only 12800 So it tells the full story. Subpar performance for more money then competition.
Ladislav svencik yes I can tell another Sony fanboy. Stop the BS.
It’s here!!!
DSLR Video Shooter And it’s a massive disappointment.
SWEET! 🎥🎞📽🤗🤓
its here and it sucks...... finished it for you
Yeah, it doesn't seem like a camera made for us. I'm a video guy, but I don't see much that I don't already have in my little GH4. I could add an AtomOS to my little GH4 and have a monster video machine. I don't even see a way to use my Canon FD lenses on the new R mount either. At the very least I could mount old Nikon lenses on the Z6.
The X-T3 and the Blackmagic P4k are the only two cameras I see as being a step up from what I have.
That on/off switch there... I don't get it... Why?
Some things we're not meant to understand.
Two hands needed to power up the camera? Haha. No thanks Canon.
@@DeusExAstra Ohh... now I get it 😂
Its the new standard. Everyone wants it.
The first guy who talked to Chris had his t-shirt inside out.
He's boofing when Chris knocked...
I think it was to avoid logos
That's a pre-production t-shirt, they're not allowed to show the front on camera.
Did anyone do any tests for photos? :-) I know, and understand this is not great for video shooters.. but, what about the main functions as a stills camera LOL? Nothing was mentioned, and I feel like if your going to do a review, this should have been covered. But, great job talking about all the video aspects!
the 4k from the EOS R seems soft.
Canon doest have the needed bandwidth so they're using some workaround to match the specs.
I started watching this video just after waking up and at first thought my eyes were blurry, but it never got any better.
@ its 1:40 am and watched it with my data pack over, just coz i had to wait for data cycle to refresh so i could upload all my stock photos to multiple sites..😁
Thankfully for me, ill be going for sony. Never considered any canon too seriously..
its a bad time to be a dedicated loyal canon shooter.
Canon continues mounting old non backi-lluminated sensors, so it must more electronically elaborate and amlify the images.
People switching back to EOS-R
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I'm Canon user for about 25 years and for more than a year start to be a Fuji user too - For a quite long time, CANON slowly digging its own grave...
This is what we deserve an honest review, without holding back or covering for the companies like many others youtube channels are doing.
The main advantage with the video recording of full frame cameras is that you can have easily shallow depth of field with relatively wide lenses. Otherwise the video shooting with smaller sensor like micro 4/3 and telephoto lenses can be equally good and with shallow depth of field.
The crop mode of the RP during video recording is a big minus.
My EOS R arrived today, and after some nervousness based on Jordan's video autofocus experience, I can happily report that for me its every bit as good as the 5D Mark IV even with adapted EF glass. My only gripes so far (other than the obvious spec disappointments) are:
1) Auto ISO is not possible in CLOG
2) Non-Canon EF-S glass doesn't auto-crop
3) The multi function touch bar is stupidly horrible idea. CANON, get rid of it! We need tactile buttons and direct access to ISO & WB
4) The rear dial is to far away from my thumb.
Other than that, its actually quite a nice unit. Its biggest problem is, oddly enough for a Canon, its operation. Its comfortable enough to hold, but the lack of buttons and silly placement make it less comfortable to actually use.
Been waiting on this one from you guys! Seriously great reviews from you two. =)
I really like the benefits of Canon and was looking to upgrade my 80d, but this is like a bad combination of the 6d mark ii and M50 with an annoying touchbar and poor ergonomics, built from leftover parts from the parts bin. I want to see a review of the Nikon Z6 and if that is not favorable, I'm moving to Sony or Panasonic for video (like many people).
If you want FF mirrorless, just get an A7iii. You wont regret it.
If you're moving because of video, you may want to consider the Fuji X-T3 as well. Their lens selection is meh, but depending on your needs it may work out even better. These guys just did a nice review on the X-T3.
For FF, I agree, just get the A7 III it's already a proven work-horse. I'm sure Panasonic will be great and they have a history with MILC so they'll be ahead of CaNikon, but they still won't use PDAF and I'm sure they'll be going through their own first-gen learning curves. Not to mention the uber-expensive L-mount glass. Given the cost of the G9, GH5 and GH5S, I can't imagine how they'll price the FF bodies. Won't be cheap is my guess.
My two favorite Canadians, great review thanks!
Thank you Chris and Jordan. Very good and very honest review, as usual.
Can't wait for the KW video coming after seeing this, everyone else having fantastic fun, socializing and generally being fabulous :) Great work guys.. lovin it.
video quality looks like 480p
3:24 Apparently the tree is more interesting than Chris's face. Those photo colors are nice, but wow the video is a letdown after the XT-3 last week.
Ziginox the XT-3 is not a full frame sensor
why does the video look so soft????
Mako Sports best color science and video focus. And you know it.
Mako Sports so go enjoy your Sony camera. Just as I enjoy my Canon colors and never feel the need to a look at other Camera reviews.
Mako Sports because it’s a Canon review. I love Canon colors and durability standard enough not to ever watch a Sony review. All I need to know is that Sony makes their cameras in China.
I know canon footage always tend to be really soft, but this one for some reason seemed way too soft, even for canon... just saying
@@makosports I'll have to respectfully disagree with that assessment (at least the "always" part). I've never been a fan of Canon DSLR footage, but my C200 and XF400 are perfectly sharp. BTW, as I noted elsewhere in this thread, if you look at 2:30, it's pretty obvious the image isn't really "soft," but is actually back-focused on the back of the chair. Almost like it was a lens issue...? Operator error? DPAF malfunction? Would love to get some input from the OP...
Thank you, Chris and Jordan. That 4K is really soft even for my untrained eye...and digital IS is a joke. The videos shoot on GH5 from your channel are way better.
Great and honest review! Was waiting for it!
How does it focus in low light ? Some test footage of that would have been nice. I am a Canon DSLR user and often find myself disappointed when testing mirrorless cameras’ AF in darker conditions.
15:41 "Hey guys, it's Jordan, the new Bond girl."
DPReview subscribers can't handle the sexiness!
Great review.
As a current Canon user looking to move to full frame, I pre-ordered one. I almost never shoot any video so don't really care about those features (or lack there of) and that RF mount has me excited for the future. Moving from the 80D, the sensor will be an upgrade for me and all my existing lenses work with it. I'm also really excited and intrigued with Canon's commitment to new features in firmware updates.
Maybe if I were a new shooter, I'd go with the A7III, but my Canon glass will be great on this thing.
Chris B the A7R3 is made in Thailand and is not weather proof.
You mean the AF with your glasses will be slow ať 3fps while you can do cheaper with A7III ať 8-10fps and with extra features on top of it. Hmmm
@@Davitor1 it is. The only issue is batttery bottom And it would be really issue if you put the body on table full of water. Otherwise the weather sealing is fine ;-) and more then adequate.
I'm sooooooo in love with this camera!!
You still one of the best reviewers.
Great review guys, looks like Canon has some issues, as do all of the new mirrorless options. Thank you for pointed out the issues with shooting LOG, lack of exposure aids is very bad when shooting that flat a profile. Looking forward to your eventual Z6 review.
Are those images right after the shots edited or it came right out of the camera?
Great review, Chris and Jordan.
And Stephan Eckert for his valuable contribution, too.
Thanks for the review, done in depth and very helpful for making a buying decision. The review itself corresponded almost exactly to what I had assumed from reading the spec-sheet. The flaws in this camera show that it's not quite prime time at this stage. This model badly needs an upgrade already - probably an upgrade that will hike the price point. For the moment Canon - this is a no deal for me.
Just got mine as a first camera. It was either this or the 4 year old 5DSR. I've effectively placed my faith in Canons software engineerings.
I am shooting in low light and high iso and need to be on silent shutter. Are the rolling shutter issues any better with the firmware update? I think you can now do multishots
I think, most reviews miss a little detail. I might be wrong (and I'm glad to be corrected for I haven't used this camera yet), but as far as I understand, this camera actually wants to be a stills camera with added video features as alittle treat, but it doesn't try to be an allrounder or even a proper video camera. But somehow I've got the feeling, that most reviews focus on the video features (or maybe I've seen the wrong reviews). That's like watching a WW2 Drama and then after leaving the cinema complaining "Gosh that was a bad comedy!" It might have had comedic parts, but that wasn't the films focus. It's a bit like the 6D MK2 and the 6D MK1 before. Many complained about the specs, but I haven't heard of anyone who bought one to be severely disappointed.
I have to confess that I'm mainly a stills shooter so I'm not that hurt by the (actually rather poor) video capabilities of this camera. But as such I can see this camera working very well for me. Also, it isn't aimed at professionals. It could have been (and maybe should have been), but it isn't. What it is aimed for in my opinion are Canon users, who want a DSLM and might be thinking about changing to Sony. It might not beat Sony on the spec sheet (and in some points won't beat it in the real world), but it offers a lot for Canon users: A familiar, easy to use ecosystem, good AF, lovely colours and full compatiility with existing Canon glass (EF, EF-S and due to the short flange distance even Canon F, if I'm not mistaken) plus it also uses the Canon LP-E6 batteries that every Canon user should have. So the EOS R doesn't want to be the start of your new system, it wants to enhance and complement your existing one.
But as I said, I haven't used this camera yet. If you have, I'll be glad to learn from you about it.
Anyway, as usual this is a great review!
I feel the same way .. I couldn't give 2 hoots less about video in my cameras (i'm only a stills shooter) .. I've read my entire 90D and 7D (Mark I) manuals cover-to-cover, EXCEPT the video sections, because I just have zero use for it (but that's just how I use the cameras, obviously) .. I'm definitely interested in the EOS R to finally make the jump to both full frame and mirrorless without completely breaking the bank .. I'd love to go w/ the R6, but the higher price tag is making that less likely (and I'd really prefer a higher MP, since I've become very used to the 32MP in my 90D)...........
Nice fair review guys. 👍🏻
Yes - you got to love the whispering anytime they said anything negative - Hilarious
They're Canadian. It's in their blood.
There is some weird color fringing in the highlights and shadows at times, purple to blue/cyan and some weird yellows... is it just me?
That's just how EF-S glass rolls, it seems.
Great Review! It's probably the best out there yet - thank you very much!
Great video! cant wait for mine to arrive! Already pre-ordered it! Life is great! Thank you God!
At least you all got some sailing and Hawaii waterfalls in, need another Hawaii vacation on another camera launch. Feels like outdoors Ontario was orchestrating the nature strings as you were walking through there. 🌲🐻
What’s the problem with the on/off switch? It’s the same position on all the other enthusiast and pro level cameras with the exception of the 1D series
Great review!!! But I would go Sony, I’m an urban explorer shooter and photo and video is really important, waiting for a7siii and I’m using a 7sii since release
What do you mean by "But I would go Sony"? There’s nothing in this review that suggests they prefer the Canon overs Sony, in fact its the opposite; they emphasize many of the shortcomings of the Canon.
Rodrick HD so go for the Sony and who cares.
Sachin Majotra that’s right.
I was excited for this camera - as I'm a long-time Canon fan and have a strong lens investment. After seeing some reviews and reading some specs I was thinking about going a different direction - but I didn't. I picked-up this camera (from the Camera Store - shout out to fellow Calgarians). It's a better camera then the spec sheet shows. Although very new to it - I have been quite impressed and am enjoying it in the field. To be fair, my skill set and my needs are such that this camera hits a sweet spot for me in terms of preserving my lens investment, not being an expensive body relative to others, and giving me all the features I need in a good quality package. It's an upgrade from my D6 - so I'm long over-due for a new camera - which likely has something to do with how happy I am with it.
Your review was great - very well done! If there was one thing I would have liked to have seen - it may have been a review of the support system around the camera. Specifically, I think that the control of the camera using a smart phone and the transfer of files to a smart phone while shooting is important. It makes a second card slot a little less of a concern. It's also an option for long exposure, etc - where the image stabilization is done via a tripod.
Any informed opinions here on how stabilised video looks using the RF 24-105 with the IS on? Im loathe to give up the dreamy IS in my little Lumix G85 but one camera would be handier than two (6D for stills). Have only found two youtube clips showing examples of this, more would be great.
What do you guys think (everything is just about 4K filming on eosR) if i already have best canons crop lens 17-55/f2.8 that is left from my former 80D is it important to change it to at least 16-35/2.8L II lens? Will I feel any difference in 4K filming? Because of cropped 4K widest 16/17mm field of view is almost the same. Money not a question for me but does it worth spending another 1000$ for what will I get from L lens? Photography/videography is my hobby...
N.B. I have RF24-105/f4 lens aswell. But need something wider.
Did Jordan use Face Tracking AF in all shots or Manually or are there too many downscaling/upscalings in Post? The Video looks just not Sharp and even out of focus in some parts.
As mentioned in the opening, and during my video talk, I used Face/Subject tracking for the entire video as a test. As you saw, it had way more issues than I would expect from a Canon Dual Pixel AF camera.
@@thatjordandrake Yep, Many aspects of this Camera just doesnt feel Final. Rushed at best. Feel the Pressure Canon.
What a very strong review !!!
Remember how people were bashin the 6D II saying it should've had the 5D IV sensor?
Canon delivered on point.
The Mirrorless 6D III, much better than the 6D II but you still need to do better if you want to compete in this day and age.
My first SLR camera, back in the summer of '70, was the Canon FT QL and came with a Canon 50mm f1.4 with the aperture ring near the front edge of the lens, so the 'new' Canon lens design isn't so new.
Loved your work-around idea for the single card slot! LOLOL!
got the camera last week, it feels really good in hand. It sucks on paper, but when you really use it, it is a very good travel camera and does most things ok. Eye tracking is good and tracks cats and dogs eyes. I only have the 24-105atm, it’s better than the EF one, waiting for the 50 1.2, with the adapter, all my Ef lens works very good, just like attach on a canon 5d4. so far so good, it’s that of camera you really need to use it in hand.
All cameras are very good these days
Longrider yea, I guess there will be a pro model in early next year, I’m happy with the eos r atm:)
It's usable but you can get better for your money that's the point.
The price just doesnt justify it
I think it's the opposite. Good on paper and sucks to use (and yes I have used it)
Great video guys and totally fair in my opinion! The video specs are really sad to hear about. XT3 crushes it for much less money and even less of a crop! ;)
and the m50
As a Canon shooter what I really want is more companies on the scene to compete with metabones adapters I really have waited too long with Canon for Sony equivalents to use with my Canon lenses. Canon stopped competing way too long ago. Nikon did a much better job with the Z. I do have nikon lenses so that's also a possibility but If I was to go totally Nikon I would just buy a D850 and be done with it probably the best camera out there anyway. As a nature photographer my best but very drastic option is to sell everything buy the recent Sony 400mm f2.8 a Sony A9 or maybe A7R3.
nature albums the A7R3 is made in China.
That's good then, most good electronic products come assembled from China these days.
nature albums Canon is made in Japan. Let me ask you a simple question and please answer it. Would you rather buy an automobile made in Japan or China?
Sachin Majotra China or Thailand do not have Japanese standards, period. So stop pretending they do. It’s cheap labor Sony is after.
Do you use Apple? ...made in China. Sorry that's one thing you won't convince me on. I think if it was 10 years ago I may be worried. I've been to China a few times and I've seen for myself. To be honest, once you visit the major cities in China such as Shanghai, Beijing etc, you will be pretty impressed in the infrastructure, and feel how shabby of crumbling infrastructure in USA. China holds the top two spots for fastest computers in the world, and Switzerland holds the third, with the U.S. in the fourth, fifth and sixth spots. Many of the top well renowned photographers are already switching over to Sony and why not they really have done amazingly while Canon lens side is very good the camera division has just sat on their fat asses for the last almost a decade I certainly won't be buying anything with Canon anymore ..
I'm not a pro but this camera looks great, I'm definitely going to buy one
What a stupid conclusion...did you really watch the video?😆
I feel to have been waiting a very long time to upgrade my (now occasionally glitchy) A6000 with 35mm 1.8 OSS. I was quite prepared to jump to this Canon - as it really is available now - particularly with such a great range of lenses at launch - but! Lack of image stabilisation and a ridiculous 4K crop-factor seem to put paid to that idea (2 slots would have been nice but one isn't a deal-breaker). I can't wait another 6 months (perhaps 48 months - it's Canon, after-all) for an EOS RII as my A6000 is on its way out - but after 14k images so no complaints - I'm thinking I'll just have to wait another 6-8 weeks for the A7III/Batis 40mm F2 combination.
I loved the colour rendition in your video, but... Close but no cigar...
Lovely review. DP's best so far.
It is heavy and feels nice in hand. How about using it for weight lifting? And you can adapt some big old heavy glas too!
Well, I'm glad I went with X-T3 instead of waiting for this.
Thank you for this thorough unbiased review!
What is happening on the water next to Chris's arm at 11:51? Some sort of video artifact?
It is the best first full frame mirrorless camera iteration from Canon, a very good start. For me as a Canon photographer, is a must have, not that I can afford it, but nice to dream about. In fact, it is a promise for the things to come. I won't compare it with anything, but Canon products. So, I am content.
BTW, regarding the touch control that simulate a slide and two buttons, it is good to eliminate the mechanical problems real buttons develops in time. But I think only one slide is enough right now.
LOL. It's a overpriced Turd
What was your experience with writing speed to the memory card, when talking still pictures? I’ve only had the opportunity to test out the preproduction version of the Canon EOS R, I used the the Sony 128GB SDXC UHS II 300/299MB/s card and I was surprised how slowly it was writing to the card.
Good that I hadn't seen this review when I was buying this camera a year before. But now (and a year before) many issues that were in this video are fixed with new firmware and eye af works pretty good and with servo af.
Hello Chris and Jordan, love your videos since you guys were at TCS TV. I got a little bit of suggestion. I'm really intrigued to see your format combined with the old DP Review Field Test. I thought the way the ytest a specific camera by covering an event (eg. The Rodeo in 1DX Mark II field test or going for camping/outing in the Nikon D500 video). Just my two cents. Cause that kind of test can push a camera in review and it's also fun to watch. Keep up the good work.
The On Off switchbhas always been on the Left in Pro Bodies. Also the Mode Dial too. I dont understand how thats a Flaw? Considering they gave the Mode Dial to right. Should be half thankful haha.
Unfortunately a sad showing by Canon. Some of the decisions they made are really bizarre. Like the touch bar would have been better with just two programmable buttons. The mode button with dial?, slow touch screen, no continuous shooting with eye focus, very poor video, and overall a slow camera compared to even a Fuji. I'm not sure who this camera is for? If you already have a Canon lenses, I'm not sure why you would even want this over dslr.
I credit Canon for trying out new innovative stuff - but that multi-function touch bar looks like a complete failure. It adds one more distinctive button vs a clickable wheel and completely robs user of tactile response.
What do you mean .." a slow camera compared to even a Fuji." The X-T3 is currently the fastest mirrorless camera available.
Even for Fuji? Why do you compare NORMAL camera with this garbage?
T Ray seriously… a fuji is a fuji well build dials good design very fast af beautiful evf this full frame crap i mean i dont need a extension of my ego its not made for my use i dont see the use of it. I just want to buy a camera for the next 5-6 years and fuji delivers it. I will Switch from my 60d (very good Camera @ that time to the xt3. ) why? U say?coz i came from analoge photography i loved the dials to turn to. I am a dials User guy. I get so the fastest results Tosaymyself. Of i have a model that w8 professionality i dont want to Hang up with a touchbar 😂 in the End Canon was a good brand stood for quality that i Van See anymore 😞 Sony took the course i mean These guys made 75% of their profit with ps4. But also these guys surpassed the giants like Nikon & canon. Nevertheless a Sony is not for my use. I dont like the Colors at the and what the Camera throws @ me its lifeless. I tryed a 7ii omg i was so dissapointed at that time. Not how it was in my hands, but the Image quality wtf Full frame with a zeiss lens ( that is not a zeiss Lens its just the Name on it and is Manufactured by sony. At the same time i tryed the xt1 anything was perfekt but the af was slow and also dissaponting. And the Camera way to expensive not After Almosen 3 years i get a Camera with anything i want. Sry to tell to canon nikon sony.
@@dancheb and what's worse is its practically useless in portrait mode, particularly if using the hand grip. WHICH HAS NO FOCUS JOYSTICK!
Perfect review, you guys are amazing!
0:20 you really know it's 5:45am when the guy is wearing his t-shirt inside out :DDD
The sensor does appear behind in DR and TR. Hard for us to tell exactly how much. About 1EV?
If a mirrorless is basically useless for video (like the EOS R seems to be) than what is the point of going mirrorless for existing Canon Full Frame users (who are the only people that might have been interested in this camera)?
The biggest issue with this camera is the price. Would it have been the cheapest full frame option on the market it might have had a chance. Being so much more expensive than the A7 III I can't imagine many people will buy it.
And something else:
I'd like to see you guys do a side by side comparison of some mirrorless cameras for continuous eye autofocus and include the G85. In my experience it works fantastic even with multiple people in the frame. (the face detect focus of the G85 focuses on the closer eye)
Any chance of that happening?
Cheers from Germany 🙂
I'd love to know the sling bag Chris is using here around 10:10, looks really nice! can anyone help? thanks a lot!
Canon should have swapped the positions of the top LCD and the On/Off button. It makes more sense ergonomically as it lets you operate the camera one handed.
Not really, the biggest question would be, why do we have a wheel for an on off position....
Looks like a second control wheel to me that they didn't finished to implement.
nice camera, why only on/ff on the left side
Is that problem of autofocus or the lenses? I found some video footage is so soft like out of focus
Also, the AF sometimes has pulses in the video....
two things canon did get right, and thats the shutter covering the sensor which i've been requesting on sony's and the drop in filters. Both those features would be amazing to have.
Really? No one's gonna mention how beautiful the photos of that bride are starting at 1:52? Great job with those shots, absolutely stunning.
@@villagranvicent I know right? 95% of the comments are just complaining about the camera, yet I couldn't seem to find a single person comment about those beautiful shots. Definitely some of my favorite shots Chris has done.
Chris did a great job with the images and managed to get around the shortcomings of this camera. That's what a good photographer does but this is not a test of his skills, it's the test of a camera.
Carl Ryan gosh, it must have been so hard getting around the shortcomings of a sensor with great image quality for stills and absolutely amazing lenses.
This is the type of comment someone that doesn't actually go outside and take pictures makes.
They sent him to Hawaii so he wouldn't constantly nag about the cold Canadian weather.
West Senkovec After seeing this review. Where do you think they will send them next?
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I have no idea how they managed to do that
can we customize it to call the gaffer or CA? That would be useful when you can’t find your CA and find out that the slacker is chilling.
First review that they really push the camera and actually tell people the limitations it has. That's why Chris and Jordan are by far, the best reviewers.
Tony Northrup compared the Eos R with the a7III, and the Canon lost on every comparision, but he managed to say they were even because Canon has a flip screen... So yeah, bloggers can know easily how are they recordind the 1.7 cropped 4k, the shitty 720p 120fps or the ridiculously bad video due to the electronic stabilizer. He also stated tha is better ergonomically then the a7, but he complained about the AF button (same as Chris), the touchpad (same as Chris), and that it has no joystick for focus point.. the a7III may not have the better grip, but apart from that, every button and solution they came up with made the camera pretty close to perfect, specially in my hand.
Peter McKinnon says he is in love with the camera, and he talked about 120p video, which is limited to 720p an I think he didn't even mention it. Not even the problems with the stabilization or the softness of the 4k video.
Nikon and Canon has margin to improve (at least Nikon has really good video capabilities), but until the next generation, when they fix this first problems and have a wider range of lenses, I doubt that people who moved to Sony will come back to their original brands.
PS: I have to say than Iike the styling of Nikon and Canon better, the a7 desing is starting to be outdated, it has been 4 years since the a7II came out, it's time to redising for better grip, a little better ergonomics and specially a better aesthetics.
Why did u use 17-55 EFS? You could use a full frame 16-35. The crop doesn’t require or benefit from efs over ef! Doesn’t mitigate the crop issue.
I was ready to buy one tonight...but....after this review, there I go again to think of Sony Aiii (and Panasonic 4/3) as a better option for the future ahead!!
3fps? :D rofl. Not bad? my 350D had 3fps - 2005. Im wondering why most of the reviews from Hawaii are so... pretty for Canon?
Just a small question for a hobbist still learning:As an example 11:40 : Why do you use ISO 400 1/400th in this picture where you want to freeze the frame (and not show motion) instead of using 1/1600th and going down to the base ISO? Isn't base ISO when possible always better than introducing noise?
You have it backwards. At 1/1600th shutter speed would require an ISO of 1600 for equal exposure. anyway this camera is a total turd. they were trying to be nice otherwise canon wouldn't give them any more free holidays
It's almost a crime that the most ergonomically shaped body has such strange positioning of buttons, weak sealing, slow processing, and a lack of certain key technology. Thanks for the review, gents. I had hoped for this one. Will check it out in Ginza next week, but I think I'm probably going to have to hunker down in Fujifilm land for the time being, which, as a Fuji owner but detractor, is a bugger.
I traded in my 5DIV while for a pre-order of the EOS-R. I figured my 5DIV would plummet in value soon so swapped it for almost zero extra cost.
However, after watching this video I fear I may have made a mistake. I've not received the R yet, but my primary reason for getting the R was to be able to film through the viewfinder while maintaining the 5DIV's great video autofocus and gaining C-LOG and a flippy screen. However, if the DPAF doesn't work as as well as the 5DIV then that is a major disappointment.
You sold your gear before actually testing the new camera ? That's one hell of a risky move you did here. no matter the brand.
Julian Croot ... if you want a fullframe mirrorless to film with, maybe look at Sony?
I figured it was riskier to hang on to the 5DIv, in resale value terms.. And I was right.... The following week is trade in value dropped like a stone.
The Sony is without doubt a better camera, but this is to be used as a B camera with my Canon C200, so switching systems would be a major hassle and cost for me.
Totally agree though, most people should get a Sony.
Mistake. shouldve waited for the Pro R. Good Luck to u tho
You can easily adapt your glass to Sony though.