Considering Frieza sells planets and they'll be renamed anyway, naming them all sequentially is a good move business wise. Way easier to keep track off F419 than a name given to the planet with any purpose since it'll just be in a SpaceSears Catalog next week.
It's also a reference to what Frieza would probably have sounded like in the Abridged version if LittleKuriboh hadn't auditioned. This is Lani's one and only line as Frieza XD
@@sterlingmuse5808 yeah, it was pretty good. It's very early in his career though but you can see the growth of his writing and V.O work as the episodes go on.
I mean the Raditz thing was just him being an idiot but the Grandpa Gohan thing is forgivable since he was never mentioned in Kakarot or Dbz in general. the only way he'd know who Gohan was is if he watched Dragonball
Jack, it's generally agreed on by the community that this anime special used to be canon until Toriyama released Dragon Ball Minus, which came out in 2014 and contradicts plot points from this special. Some fans argue it never was canon because Toriyama had little involvement with it beyond providing character designs, however Toriyama was on record at the time this came out saying he loved the special, and the man even went as far as to redraw a scene from it as a flashback in the original Dragon Ball manga, which is why I think it's fair to assume it's something that used to be canon in Toriyama's eyes.
Also to note the scene where Bardock fights Dodorias men and his final attempt at Frieza is still canon. We see Bardock throw the blast in DBS Broly. Toyotaro released a sketch showing Bardocks crew dying and Barodck finding out.
@@lavafighter3236 Yea, basically the take away was that Bardock being a part of a resistance against Freeza was canon, but the special itself non canon.
The abridged probably isn’t going to cover it since a lot of this knowledge is like original dragon ball before z came out but Goku was raised by the first Gohan before he died who tried taking care of him but he had trouble because Goku had his sayian instinct making him a brat until Gohan accidentally dropped him making him forget his mission.
6:13 "No I’m gonna sound so dumb. So Raditz and Goku are brothers?" Wasn’t Raditz introducing himself as Goku's brother and going on and on about coming to earth to pick up his brother (Goku) so they can conquer planets together as brothers kinda a tip-off?
That's like asking "Wait, Bulma's a scientist?" Like, the whole point of Raditz's entire existence as a character is just to be Goku's brother. I just... don't understand.
The sore throaty voice from Frieza in the beginning, is possibly a reference to Frieza’s original Funimation voice actor, Linda Young. Linda was the first voice from Frieza I’ve heard, since I started watching DBZ back in 2009. Her version of Frieza had a pretty raspy voice (especially with Final Form Frieza), but nonetheless I thought she was a pretty great Frieza.
Also the baby with the power level of 10,000 is....well he's canon but also non canon. It's very hard to explain without spoiling but just know this, he's amazing and his power is *MAXIMUUUM!!*
The concept of a baby with a power level of 10,000 is canon and both versions of this child have the same name, however their backstories and...well, overall stories are very different.
Jack, just to clear this out: This special WAS canon at one point. But then, Toriyama introduced a manga called: “Dragon Ball Minus” which retold Goku's origins. The origins remain largely the same, except Bardock never fought Frieza at the atmosphere of the planet, and Goku's mother was introduced in that manga. In the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie, the film's prologue is the plot of Minus, which officially makes this special non-canon, and also makes Broly officially canon within the main Dragon Ball timeline.
@@mbig9451 Not really, Bardock just tries to stop the attack. He doesn’t directly fight Frieza like in this special, nor does he receive future-sight powers.
@@HygorBH ... He doesn't directly fight Frieza in this special either. Both versions just do the attack without any success. Not really? Dude, Bardock is literally there, his broken armor and Frieza's army behind him. While they change stuff, Bardock trying to stop Frieza in space it's canon.
No, the special was never canon, Toriyama watched it and really liked it and took a few things from it, Bardock the character, and the event where he confronts Freeza near his ship in the end. Bardock appears very briefly in the manga after the special aired, but none of the events of the special are confirmed, but he has the same appearance as he does in the special, Freeza remarks how goku looks like this saiyan from the past that confronted him. The bardock death scene of the tv special is then used in the very start of DB Kai which was meant to be closer to the manga, then only in DB minus / DBS broly we get the canon version of the events and a retconned Bardock design. But most likely Bardock's death was the same sequence of events as the special, except for the vision of the future.
I think he's doing it to try to not miss things while reading/responding to chat, but the way he's constantly stopping mid-dialogue makes him miss stuff anyway. It also ruins the pacing. I wish he'd go back to doing these off-stream again. Or, if he's going to stream, at least commit to minimizing chat until after the episode is over. I get that live engagement is important for streamers trying to grow and maintain a viewership, but in this context it really doesn't work well.
They basically explained a lot of the things he’s confused about in the first episode of DBZA. Raddits is Goku‘s brother. Goku hit his head when he was a kid, that was why he didn’t destroy the earth like all Saiyan children are supposed to do when they’re sent to a planet. The full moon shows up they turn into a giant monkey and wreck the place. (Just as a heads up in case he reads this.) None of the movies are considered canon.
@@rjselhime9001 And as dumb as that is, I think it can be made to work well enough. We can just assume that Raditz believed Goku was sent to Earth to conquer it, but that was in fact a misconception in his own head. And that Goku's amnesia had less to do with preventing him from wiping out all life on the planet, and more simply to do with reining in his saiyan instincts.
The two dudes (or at least one) talking about "planet e-arth" are actually voiced by the dude who voices the actual vegeta (and other characters like piccolo)
5:37 This is a call back to when Friezer was in his first transformation fighting piccolo on namek and Vegeta was flying off to one of the ginyu's ships saying he "will go to Friezer planet 419 no one ever goes to planet 419 not since its species miraculously repopulated"
I love how he had to call out the Super people talking shit on gt for one scene, as if the entire low quality mess that is the first 2 sagas of super didn't exist
To make it clear. The Bardock TV special WAS cannon. It even had a frame from it used in the manga. However, Toriyama later decided to redo it from scratch, and do it again in the Dragon Ball Super: Broly Movie. So now it’s no longer canon.
I like how he defends himself by saying that he isn’t told half this stuff because he played the game but part of Raditz initial dialogue in the anime and game is ‘I...am your brother’ 🤣 Also isn’t the planet that Bardock and his team killed in this later referenced in Abridged when Vegeta says he’ll go hide on a planet who’s species recently had a resurgence and they cut to it with voices spouting random things in this tone?
"generic blast" says every kid in the twitch chat born after 2010, so basically all of them lmao. GIVE THE MAN HIS DUE, THAT SHIT IS CALLED SPIRIT CANNON AND IT'S SAVAGE AS FUCK.
@@darknesswave100 fr bro, he had that shit in Roblox DBZ Sparking Meteor, throws a tiny blast slow moving blast that takes 75% of his ki, but if you touch it.. BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
Well this one in particular was the “final spirit cannon” lol just nit picking (he used the spirit cannon in another instance and it was a darker shade of blue and moved pretty slow like it does in the game instead of that one that shot out like a key blast)
You really need to be familiar with the franchise as a whole to get the most out of Dragon Ball Z Abridged as you can see by a lot things flying over Jack's head
Bardock and this special were the complete creation of Toei animation and Toriyama was really impressed by the story so when Goku meets Frieza, he flashes back to this confrontation between him and Bardock, all as a shout-out to the special. The latest movie also recanonised a lot of this special like how Bardock does a last stand against Frieza while making him a bit less of a dick, enough to sympathize. Why Goku got sent to Earth is given a new secret meaning besides going to conquer it.
Calling bullshit on this. Manga has specific scene where Frieza gets irritated by Goku's face amd then remembers nameless Saiyan warrior who stood up to him and then shows panel with Bardock.
@@AlanJia8 some people instinctively want to be contrary to others. And that instinct is so strong that they will type BS, and then continue rambling while typing the same text as the original poster.
Fun fact: the two guys talking about sending baby Goku to Earth at 13:15 are actually voiced by the actual English VA of Vegeta, Piccolo, Yamcha, Recoome, etc. in the official dub of the show. His name is Chris Sabat, and he's been a voice actor for decades, and has voiced tons of characters in anime and games. He's also the English VA of All Might in My Hero Academia. Whenever he shows up in a TFS episode, his name is hidden in the credits as DJSexadillionare. He can't have his name attached to projects like DBZA, because it can cause legal issues due to the exclusivity of his Funimation contract. He also shows up in the Hellsing Ultimate abridged as Van Hellsing in Alucard's flashback.
Since this was Frieza's first appearance in DBZA the raspy voice at the start is a reference to Frieza's Funimation voice actress from the old DBZ Linda Young. 6:18 .....Data not found
Bardock's TV specials were never canon to Dragon Ball, so while Bardock's existence as Goku's father was canon, there was literally nothing to his character beyond looking like Goku and the knowledge that he was Goku's father. But recently, Akira Toriyama did the same thing for Bardock that he did for Broly by creating a canon version of him, as well as Goku's mom, who's name is Gine. Only problem is that people like the non-canon TV special Bardock more than the canon one we've been seeing in other places recently. Edit: Wow, I never thought of that, but you're right. Grandpa Gohan did save the world. By dropping his infant grandson down a cliff.
Bardock was incorporated into the manga, post TV special, as Toriyama adored it even though he had no part in it. A special panel is given showing Bardock from the special as a result, leading to people accepting it into continuity. Later on, Toriyama would go onto write his own entirely different story for Bardock in a special story titled “Dragon Ball Minus” which has since been adapted into dragon ball super.
Dude needs to rewatch episode one of DBZA. It literally tells you all this that radditz is his brother that he was drop on his head, that gokus grandfather was named gohan and held one of the dragon balls as a family heirloom.
in case anyone was wondering, Bardock, father of Goku was not made by Toriyama nor was Bardock himself even made by Toriyama. completely non canon. Toriyama just happened to like the special enough, to make actual Canon content for Bardock in both Dragon ball Minus and Dragon Ball Super Broly
The second bardock movie abridged is hilarious, you will love it And jack dude look at a moment between granpa gohan and goku at baba's tournament in dragonball... it's great
WHAT!?!?😂😂😂 How did you get through kakorot AND the first season of abridged without realising that Raditz and Goku were brothers!😂😂😂you’re awesome Jack keep up the great content!
It’s funny how people don’t realize the saiyans used to take over planets and sell them to the highest bidder king before king cold came along and made them practically slaves
While I do like DBS Bardock, nothing beats the original badass Bardock. The Saiyans being so merciless and cruel only served to make Goku even better. Made him look like one in billions. Also just so you know, this is non-canon now. It used to be canon but Toriyama retconned it by changing Bardock's story in 2014, which is a much less popular version btw.
This story was never canon, as much as we wished it so. Bardock himself was canon, but this story was not. I agree this is the best rendition of his character, as long as we don't talk about the sequel lmao
@@sage5871 Yes but it mostly was considered as canon by like the entire fanbase, it wasn't until Minus that it was truly 100% confirmed to be non-canon. Toriyama drawing Bardock in the manga with Freeza acknowledging the similarity between Goku and Bardock made it seem like even Toriyama acknowledged it as canon.
@@dumbanimenerd4169 It was never canon because it was never from the source material. The only canon thing was Bardock's existence because freeza seems to remember him in the manga but that's it. It's like saying GT was canon before Super - They both were and are still _official_ material, that's why they are still used in games and merchandising and what-not, but they were never canon.
It was never technically canon. People just assumed it was canon because Toriyama referenced it in the manga. It wasn't until "Dragon Ball Minus" Toriyama's own version of Bardock's story that people realized it wasn't canon.
You in no exaggeration have the worst memory of anyone I have ever met... what you asked during is this is legitimately the equivalent of asking if itachi and Sasuke are brothers First this raditz says to goku "hey kakarot I'm your bro why haven't you destory this planet yet"
Dbs canon Bardock needs the bandana. Bardock looks so cool with it on But also, in one of his visions, Bardock actually talks to goku. "Bardock. Its no too late. Dont be like him" referring to frieza
Toei animations created both bardock and this special without any of toriyama's help toriyama liked bardock so much that he made his own story about him which acts as the effective cannon
Read chapter 307 bardock was shown in that chapter. Toei animation studio only added their own extra story for bardock and characters but they didn't created bardock.
I have forgiven you for everything else and you have been amiable in return but not knowing grandpa gohan and mistaking him for roshi is putting me on edge
Either your memory is bad or you don’t pay attention to little details. Not a criticism bc I get you watch these once a week but it’s just something I noticed. Kinda funny and endearing
Focus on the Goku and Raditz comment is definitely needed but let’s also point out that if the watching of this happened after he watched the Namek arc then he should of known they were under Friezas rule. That was the whole Vegeta emotional speech.
"That is on trajectory to obliterate his army too." Frieza has literally never once cared about his soldiers beyond if they can be useful to him in the moment, thus they were disposable.
"Wait! Was he actually dropped on his head?" Why do you think he didn’t kill every last being on the planet? He’s a saiyan! They only don’t do that if sufficient brain damage occurs before they’re strong enough!
But he was too weak as a toddler, nowhere near a regular saiyan child, so he wouldn't even be able to kill many people. Only characters above 200x can kill everyone on the planet
@@yoklyujl7 I don't think you understood my comment. He was weak as a literal baby, yes. My comment kinda already covered that with the "(...) before they're strong enough" part. He kept growing in both body and strength since his birth (as people usually do) and at the end of Dragonball he was already the strongest person on the planet. Not to mention big monke would have caused great damage to most residents of the planet even before that.
@@planetbob6703 he had a PL of 10 at age 12, and an oozaru transformation would still be 20x weaker than King Piccolo yet Raditz thought he could kill the whole planet in two years
@@yoklyujl7... How do you have this little reading comprehension? I said he would have killed everyone *once he got strong enough.* At the age of 20 he was the strongest person on the planet. A literal infant wouldn't have gone on a rampage. There's also nobody saying he was sure to succeed. He would have tried though if he didn't hit his head.
@@davidmicheaels343 there was a guy in this video that he banned for calling him out for being stupid about raditz being gokus brother. yet there were several others that said the same thing yet they didn't get banned. it's kinda childish to ban people when they call you out on stuff
When Frieza sees Goku he thought of that Sayian who fought iuntil the end. I believe (correct me people if i´m wrong) tt Bardock didn´t die against Freiza. Freiza´s attack caused a wormhole and Bardock travelled back in time. He then fought and defeated Chilled (Freiza´s ancestor) turning Super Saiyan. Chilled was found by his men and talked about a Super Saiyan before dying. And that is how the Super Saiyan legend was born. To sum up, Bardock was the first super Saiyan ever
The copyrighted songs were written for the 1986 Transformers movie (the original) check it out sometime if you want to experience a piece of American pop culture history.
The TFS DBcember countdowns would be a great watch. Entertaining and you'd learn a lot of Dragonball that isn't covered in the games or in the abridged series.
Took me 10 seconds to realise what you mean and I almost spit out my drink. (It's been 9 years since the time I watched it so it took a few seconds to get it.)
Let me tell you this yes bardock is canon has been for a long time Toriyama loved Bardock so much he put him in the manga his story for the most part isn't just the end part is 😅
jack, i'm gonna leave a little fact right here that might be too much for u to handle but raditz is the uncle of gohan,and burdock is his grandpa.I'll just let that sink in.
It’s like bro refuses to remember anything from the first few episodes where raditz comes in and says “and to top off this emotional on-slot I am you’re brother” and where Vageta or Napa I forgot who referenced bardok being gokus dad
To give some clarity on the whole canon not canon thing. In the manga we don't learn much about Bardock we are just shown in two panels that he died trying to make some sort of final stand against Freeza. When the anime aired they used this as an opportunity to expand on that which is what lead to this special and for the longest time this was considered canon. However years later Akira Toriyama would make a short story called Dragon Ball minus which re-tells the story of Bardock and how Goku was sent to Earth. And it's not just the whole thing with Bardock the OG anime added alot of stuff that wasn't in the manga so it's really debatable just how much of is canon.
The special was never considered canon since none of it was made or agree on by Toriyama. They took the two canon panels we have seen in the manga and made a story around those, but nothing except those panels was canon.
Toei just stole Toriyama's thunder since they never thought Toriyama would bother with a storyline set before Dragon Ball. The special came out first and Toriyama liked the finished special enough to include it in flashback panels. The manga was originally released in a weekly manga magazine along with other properties before enough chapters get released to make up its very own book. This means the magazine version is the absolute earliest a chapter can be released to the public. The chapter Bardock was shown in was published on January 5, 1991. The Bardock special came out first on October 17, 1990 - an 80-day difference.
So long as you're on this journey, it might be worth reacting to the old Dragonball anime. It's not too common for channels to do reactions to it, and it's old enough that they might be less strict with copyright strikes. Not to mention, I think that the majority of it is better than the Cell and Buu sagas, though that is just my personal subjective opinion.
@@Eeveethegamer26 Yeah, but that was more an issue with Toei animation abusing the claims system on RUclips to make an example of Mark. Realistically, reacting to the Og dragonball is no more risky than reacting to dbza, and could be made safer by cutting and adding a transparent overlay on the video
i think you should react to bardok’s special episode, him traveling to the past/ future i don’t remember but it was against freiza’s grand father, it’s so good edit: that’s kinda spoilers don’t read if you’ll react . . . . . . . in the this episode you will find out the origins of the super sayian myth among freiza and his family/ army
At the end of the video I was internally screaming at him to look at the clips playing. He missed all the og dragon ball clips that were put in the end credits.
Those few episodes he recorded off-stream towards the end of the Frieza saga were so much more entertaining because they had his full attention and engagement. Having it go back to 40% watching, 60% reading, responding and talking to chat is kind of disappointing.
I know im a year late, but tbh if they had Broly be another of gokus siblings, they may have actually had a decent plot point for Broly to hate kakkarot instead of "he did a big cry".
6:14 Jack, you've been through the Saiyan saga twice now and you didn't realize Radditz is Goku's brother. Also Bardock father of goku used to be cannon, but has been retconned by Dragon Ball Super Broly.
What about the fact that Raditz straight up told goku that they are brothers in the first episode, or that goku mentioned his brother, Raditz, to King Yamma shortly after dying? Only makes him not realizing this look all the worse for him.
Bardock was canon because Toriyama watched the special and really liked it, but while the character was canon, the events of the special never were. Toriyama wouldn't make his version of the events until DBS broly. Bardock's appearance was indeed retconned though because he did show up in like one panel in the manga and his design was the same as in the tv special then.
I remember the first time I saw this special was during the original run on toonami, and this came out in between the namek saga and freeza saga (technically arcs but they flipped them for dragon ball)
The more and more Jack watches these the more I can tell he's getting so confused XD But tbf, DB canon/non-canon is relatively messy to someone who's just now looking to get into the series. Once you understand it it becomes much more easy to keep track of.
Yeah cause once you get to super then they completely screw up the ending of dbz by having Pan being born already cause she was 3 in the last episode and goten and trunks were teenagers but then in super she's born and trunks and goten are only like 9 and 8 I think
"I'm gonna sound so dumb"
I'm sure it can't be THAT ba-
"So Raditz and Goku are brothers?"
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yep, people was like "those subtitles are distracting you!"
"nah, nah, i'm fine"
and now this XDDD
I bet everytime they were referring to gohan's uncle you were thinking on Piccoro instead of Raditz.
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Jack was Nappa
The chat was Vegeta
Oh good lord he just asked if Goku and Raditz are brothers, and he's about to enter the android saga. He needs our help now more than ever lmao
I mean in his defense Raditz had literally no relevance to the story after he died.
@@chadzard4 to be fair, his relevance before was not so great either. It could be a random goon with no backstory and it would turn out just fine too.
@@chadzard4 so what 💀 it’s literally part of goku’s family
The most memorable part of Raditz's character is his hair
and this guy times out people who asked the right question. Some people just don't pay attention.
"broly is gokus brother"
"radditz and goku are brothers?!"
im going to die myself
In an alternate universe where Jack watched all of DBZ and only played the Naruto games
Jack: Wait… Itachi is Sasuke’s brother?
GUy Is RoCk LeE's BrOtHeR?
@@mr.dumbum8209WAIT WHAT I THOUGHT GUY WAS ROCK LEES DAD
Hardly similar.... that was obvious, the radditz thing was barely mentioned
Considering Frieza sells planets and they'll be renamed anyway, naming them all sequentially is a good move business wise.
Way easier to keep track off F419 than a name given to the planet with any purpose since it'll just be in a SpaceSears Catalog next week.
shame that species miraculously repopulated
Frieza is just a buisness man why do they have to bully him
Frieza doesn’t sell planets he owns the one he conquers
The saiyans used to sell them but king cold took over and forced the saiyans to conquer the planets for them
“So Raditz and Goku are brothers?” (Me banging my head against a wall )😂
Now you and Nail can match
"goddamnit, JackTheBus..."
" Is that Roshi"
To quote Bardock: And now I welcome the sweet embrace of death...
And he also asked if broly was Goku's brother...
I love the reference to the original voice actor for Frieza who sounded like a chainsmoking old lady 😂
It's also a reference to what Frieza would probably have sounded like in the Abridged version if LittleKuriboh hadn't auditioned. This is Lani's one and only line as Frieza XD
@@sterlingmuse5808 Lani's Genkai voice is pretty good though not gonna lie
@@silentassason That's from Yu Yu Hakusho, right? Never watched an episode of Lani's abridged of that
@@sterlingmuse5808 yeah, it was pretty good. It's very early in his career though but you can see the growth of his writing and V.O work as the episodes go on.
Jack really asked if Raditz was Goku’s brother and didn’t know who Grandpa Gohan was, I can tell a million DB fans cried out in pain 🤣
Grandpa Gohan is really understandable cause he wasn't mentioned in Kakarot
I mean the Raditz thing was just him being an idiot but the Grandpa Gohan thing is forgivable since he was never mentioned in Kakarot or Dbz in general. the only way he'd know who Gohan was is if he watched Dragonball
Or went Super Saiyan
@@darknesswave100 you're not a real fan if you don't watch og dragon ball, it's so good
@bobkys7916 .... its alright, couldn't be much more dated though these days it's almost uunwatchable
Jack, it's generally agreed on by the community that this anime special used to be canon until Toriyama released Dragon Ball Minus, which came out in 2014 and contradicts plot points from this special. Some fans argue it never was canon because Toriyama had little involvement with it beyond providing character designs, however Toriyama was on record at the time this came out saying he loved the special, and the man even went as far as to redraw a scene from it as a flashback in the original Dragon Ball manga, which is why I think it's fair to assume it's something that used to be canon in Toriyama's eyes.
Also to note the scene where Bardock fights Dodorias men and his final attempt at Frieza is still canon. We see Bardock throw the blast in DBS Broly. Toyotaro released a sketch showing Bardocks crew dying and Barodck finding out.
@@lavafighter3236 Yea, basically the take away was that Bardock being a part of a resistance against Freeza was canon, but the special itself non canon.
The abridged probably isn’t going to cover it since a lot of this knowledge is like original dragon ball before z came out but Goku was raised by the first Gohan before he died who tried taking care of him but he had trouble because Goku had his sayian instinct making him a brat until Gohan accidentally dropped him making him forget his mission.
Not just dropped him, dropped him off a cliff onto a rock head first
Yup. Cannonically Goku suffers from brain damage.
6:13 "No I’m gonna sound so dumb. So Raditz and Goku are brothers?"
Wasn’t Raditz introducing himself as Goku's brother and going on and on about coming to earth to pick up his brother (Goku) so they can conquer planets together as brothers kinda a tip-off?
It’s like goku’s presence on earth doesnt even make sense without him or at least it shouldn’t with the context jack has
He probably thought he meant "brother" in a race brother type thing
6:15 Here it is. Never gonna let you live this one down, Jack
Did he not get that from the first 2-3 episodes?
@@solidsnake952 I think he was too busy looking at the notes in subtitles to realise at the time
@@PythonPlusPlus but he should have found out when he played the game
That's like asking "Wait, Bulma's a scientist?" Like, the whole point of Raditz's entire existence as a character is just to be Goku's brother. I just... don't understand.
@@KyrialArthian to be fair if it includes a wrench or scalpel Bulma is it
The sore throaty voice from Frieza in the beginning, is possibly a reference to Frieza’s original Funimation voice actor, Linda Young. Linda was the first voice from Frieza I’ve heard, since I started watching DBZ back in 2009. Her version of Frieza had a pretty raspy voice (especially with Final Form Frieza), but nonetheless I thought she was a pretty great Frieza.
It was indeed a reference to the original dub voice actress. She was a great Frieza. Very tyrannical sounding.
RIP Linda Young. She was great as Frieza as well as Genkai in Yu Yu Hakusho!
@@justsomebody-1665 she is not dead
@@justsomebody-1665 uh dude, she's not dead, just retired
@@bluepineapple4396 oops, haha. Glad to hear it!
Also the baby with the power level of 10,000 is....well he's canon but also non canon. It's very hard to explain without spoiling but just know this, he's amazing and his power is *MAXIMUUUM!!*
It's not canon, that's it XD it's not that hard since it's not he the exact same character as the Canon one
@@stigmaderespaldo9535 But a baby with a power level of 10 k is canon.
The concept of a baby with a power level of 10,000 is canon and both versions of this child have the same name, however their backstories and...well, overall stories are very different.
No, his power is *MAXIMUMER*
@@Xeno574 Yeah, DBS Broly has a story and personality. DBZ Broly is just a retard with muscles.
It looks like Jack is finally discovering the goat Bardock
Right in time too. Kakarot is seemingly gonna get a Bardock DLC
@@andymoore8835 april fools came late?
@@Comic3665 it's not official yet but some Trustable sources have Reavealed it
@@andymoore8835 They could take my fucking money if they do
@sk nah if its anything like the trunks dlc then dlc with new stories will restart the levels for each character
Jack, just to clear this out: This special WAS canon at one point. But then, Toriyama introduced a manga called: “Dragon Ball Minus” which retold Goku's origins.
The origins remain largely the same, except Bardock never fought Frieza at the atmosphere of the planet, and Goku's mother was introduced in that manga. In the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie, the film's prologue is the plot of Minus, which officially makes this special non-canon, and also makes Broly officially canon within the main Dragon Ball timeline.
Nobody likes retconned Bardock
Bardock fight Frieza, in Db Super Broly when Frieza destroys Planet Vegeta, Bardock is there launching his attack.
@@mbig9451 Not really, Bardock just tries to stop the attack. He doesn’t directly fight Frieza like in this special, nor does he receive future-sight powers.
@@HygorBH
... He doesn't directly fight Frieza in this special either. Both versions just do the attack without any success.
Not really? Dude, Bardock is literally there, his broken armor and Frieza's army behind him. While they change stuff, Bardock trying to stop Frieza in space it's canon.
No, the special was never canon, Toriyama watched it and really liked it and took a few things from it, Bardock the character, and the event where he confronts Freeza near his ship in the end. Bardock appears very briefly in the manga after the special aired, but none of the events of the special are confirmed, but he has the same appearance as he does in the special, Freeza remarks how goku looks like this saiyan from the past that confronted him.
The bardock death scene of the tv special is then used in the very start of DB Kai which was meant to be closer to the manga, then only in DB minus / DBS broly we get the canon version of the events and a retconned Bardock design. But most likely Bardock's death was the same sequence of events as the special, except for the vision of the future.
This entire video was just "Pause: the movie" in a literal sense ngl
Yeah he's really excessively pausing a ton lately.
I think he's doing it to try to not miss things while reading/responding to chat, but the way he's constantly stopping mid-dialogue makes him miss stuff anyway. It also ruins the pacing. I wish he'd go back to doing these off-stream again. Or, if he's going to stream, at least commit to minimizing chat until after the episode is over. I get that live engagement is important for streamers trying to grow and maintain a viewership, but in this context it really doesn't work well.
Yes, Grampa Gohan saved the world, the universe, the multiverse, by dropping a small infant on its head.
They basically explained a lot of the things he’s confused about in the first episode of DBZA.
Raddits is Goku‘s brother.
Goku hit his head when he was a kid, that was why he didn’t destroy the earth like all Saiyan children are supposed to do when they’re sent to a planet.
The full moon shows up they turn into a giant monkey and wreck the place.
(Just as a heads up in case he reads this.)
None of the movies are considered canon.
Well the new super ones are actually considered cannon now and the broly one kinda over writes gokus back story
@@rjselhime9001 to be fair Dragon Ball Minus already did that, the Broly movie was just when it got animated
@@rjselhime9001 And as dumb as that is, I think it can be made to work well enough. We can just assume that Raditz believed Goku was sent to Earth to conquer it, but that was in fact a misconception in his own head. And that Goku's amnesia had less to do with preventing him from wiping out all life on the planet, and more simply to do with reining in his saiyan instincts.
The two dudes (or at least one) talking about "planet e-arth" are actually voiced by the dude who voices the actual vegeta (and other characters like piccolo)
I knew he sounded familiar
That was Chris sabbat? Wow I didn't know
Yeah I noticed it when he said "YOU'RE STUPID", it was basically zoro's voice
5:37
This is a call back to when Friezer was in his first transformation fighting piccolo on namek and Vegeta was flying off to one of the ginyu's ships saying he "will go to Friezer planet 419 no one ever goes to planet 419 not since its species miraculously repopulated"
I CAN SEE THE FUTURE
I love how he had to call out the Super people talking shit on gt for one scene, as if the entire low quality mess that is the first 2 sagas of super didn't exist
lol right
Why sh-- on either when Dragonball Evolution exists?
Yeah then gt bitches shitting on super when their entire first arc was trash and.... super 17?
To make it clear. The Bardock TV special WAS cannon.
It even had a frame from it used in the manga.
However, Toriyama later decided to redo it from scratch, and do it again in the Dragon Ball Super: Broly Movie.
So now it’s no longer canon.
'I do not think' - Jack..
Yep that's accurate
I like how he defends himself by saying that he isn’t told half this stuff because he played the game but part of Raditz initial dialogue in the anime and game is ‘I...am your brother’ 🤣
Also isn’t the planet that Bardock and his team killed in this later referenced in Abridged when Vegeta says he’ll go hide on a planet who’s species recently had a resurgence and they cut to it with voices spouting random things in this tone?
"generic blast" says every kid in the twitch chat born after 2010, so basically all of them lmao. GIVE THE MAN HIS DUE, THAT SHIT IS CALLED SPIRIT CANNON AND IT'S SAVAGE AS FUCK.
He even has it as a level 1 super in Fighterz and it's great
@@darknesswave100 fr bro, he had that shit in Roblox DBZ Sparking Meteor, throws a tiny blast slow moving blast that takes 75% of his ki, but if you touch it.. BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
Well this one in particular was the “final spirit cannon” lol just nit picking (he used the spirit cannon in another instance and it was a darker shade of blue and moved pretty slow like it does in the game instead of that one that shot out like a key blast)
You really need to be familiar with the franchise as a whole to get the most out of Dragon Ball Z Abridged as you can see by a lot things flying over Jack's head
21:41 wait until he watches the original Dragon Ball. They don’t shy away from reminding you Goku is a boy.
Bardock and this special were the complete creation of Toei animation and Toriyama was really impressed by the story so when Goku meets Frieza, he flashes back to this confrontation between him and Bardock, all as a shout-out to the special. The latest movie also recanonised a lot of this special like how Bardock does a last stand against Frieza while making him a bit less of a dick, enough to sympathize. Why Goku got sent to Earth is given a new secret meaning besides going to conquer it.
Calling bullshit on this.
Manga has specific scene where Frieza gets irritated by Goku's face amd then remembers nameless Saiyan warrior who stood up to him and then shows panel with Bardock.
@@rainbowprism6242 wdym calling bs read the fucking manga omg
How is that contradictory to what the comment said?
@@AlanJia8 thank you
@@AlanJia8 some people instinctively want to be contrary to others. And that instinct is so strong that they will type BS, and then continue rambling while typing the same text as the original poster.
Getting to the Abrigded specials, can't wait for android 13. No wait Broly!
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This shit is hilarious when he tries doing OG friezas voice😭
Fun fact: the two guys talking about sending baby Goku to Earth at 13:15 are actually voiced by the actual English VA of Vegeta, Piccolo, Yamcha, Recoome, etc. in the official dub of the show. His name is Chris Sabat, and he's been a voice actor for decades, and has voiced tons of characters in anime and games. He's also the English VA of All Might in My Hero Academia. Whenever he shows up in a TFS episode, his name is hidden in the credits as DJSexadillionare. He can't have his name attached to projects like DBZA, because it can cause legal issues due to the exclusivity of his Funimation contract. He also shows up in the Hellsing Ultimate abridged as Van Hellsing in Alucard's flashback.
Since this was Frieza's first appearance in DBZA the raspy voice at the start is a reference to Frieza's Funimation voice actress from the old DBZ Linda Young.
6:18 .....Data not found
"How do you get this scar? Just 3 strikes across your forehead?"
This just in, Jack doesn't understand what CLAWS are.
WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW RADITZ AND GOKU ARE BROTHERS!
THAT IS LITERALLY *THE* BIG REVEAL IN *EPISODE ONE*!
If I took a shot for every time he missed a joke, I'd need literal gear cells to survive the alcohol poisoning.
Bardock's TV specials were never canon to Dragon Ball, so while Bardock's existence as Goku's father was canon, there was literally nothing to his character beyond looking like Goku and the knowledge that he was Goku's father. But recently, Akira Toriyama did the same thing for Bardock that he did for Broly by creating a canon version of him, as well as Goku's mom, who's name is Gine. Only problem is that people like the non-canon TV special Bardock more than the canon one we've been seeing in other places recently.
Edit: Wow, I never thought of that, but you're right. Grandpa Gohan did save the world. By dropping his infant grandson down a cliff.
Pretty sure the Episode of Bardock where he goes Super Saiyan is cannon tho. His past was retconned by the Super Broly movie
Bardock was incorporated into the manga, post TV special, as Toriyama adored it even though he had no part in it. A special panel is given showing Bardock from the special as a result, leading to people accepting it into continuity. Later on, Toriyama would go onto write his own entirely different story for Bardock in a special story titled “Dragon Ball Minus” which has since been adapted into dragon ball super.
i still cant believe Raditz is the brother of Goku
Dude needs to rewatch episode one of DBZA. It literally tells you all this that radditz is his brother that he was drop on his head, that gokus grandfather was named gohan and held one of the dragon balls as a family heirloom.
in case anyone was wondering, Bardock, father of Goku was not made by Toriyama nor was Bardock himself even made by Toriyama. completely non canon. Toriyama just happened to like the special enough, to make actual Canon content for Bardock in both Dragon ball Minus and Dragon Ball Super Broly
Jack it’s like you don’t remember anything about after u turn off your PC. I bet he forgot that Sasuke is a Uchiha🤣
Its kinda annoying that chat keeps mentioning stuff in the future let him get to it in his own time jeez
So nice reliving the memories of watching all of the DBZ abridged movies/episodes all those years ago with your channel now.
The second bardock movie abridged is hilarious, you will love it
And jack dude look at a moment between granpa gohan and goku at baba's tournament in dragonball... it's great
"wait so, Raditz and Goku are brothers?..."
holy shit dude...
WHAT!?!?😂😂😂 How did you get through kakorot AND the first season of abridged without realising that Raditz and Goku were brothers!😂😂😂you’re awesome Jack keep up the great content!
Kids are cruel, Bardok.
And right now, I am very in touch with my inner child.
I’M FUCKING INVINCIBLE
19:21 Bardock's face is so funny '' The Saiyan was cringing too much to speak''
It’s funny how people don’t realize the saiyans used to take over planets and sell them to the highest bidder king before king cold came along and made them practically slaves
Can't wait for that dbs reaction. When will u start?
yeah tell us jack
After DBZA
Yeah cant wait I hope it’s two episodes
@@Khaab93 only 2 episodes?
@@Khaab93 I'm thinking the whole series
So...you remembered the "he's a prick" line but you don't remember that Goku had a brother?
While I do like DBS Bardock, nothing beats the original badass Bardock. The Saiyans being so merciless and cruel only served to make Goku even better. Made him look like one in billions.
Also just so you know, this is non-canon now. It used to be canon but Toriyama retconned it by changing Bardock's story in 2014, which is a much less popular version btw.
This story was never canon, as much as we wished it so. Bardock himself was canon, but this story was not. I agree this is the best rendition of his character, as long as we don't talk about the sequel lmao
@@sage5871 Yes but it mostly was considered as canon by like the entire fanbase, it wasn't until Minus that it was truly 100% confirmed to be non-canon. Toriyama drawing Bardock in the manga with Freeza acknowledging the similarity between Goku and Bardock made it seem like even Toriyama acknowledged it as canon.
@@sage5871 it literally was canon? Its only technically none canon because toriyama woke up and changed his mind about Bardocks character one day
@@Xeno574 That's why I said Bardock as a character was canon. Episode of Bardock was never. Headcanon is not true canon.
@@dumbanimenerd4169 It was never canon because it was never from the source material. The only canon thing was Bardock's existence because freeza seems to remember him in the manga but that's it. It's like saying GT was canon before Super - They both were and are still _official_ material, that's why they are still used in games and merchandising and what-not, but they were never canon.
It was never technically canon. People just assumed it was canon because Toriyama referenced it in the manga. It wasn't until "Dragon Ball Minus" Toriyama's own version of Bardock's story that people realized it wasn't canon.
You in no exaggeration have the worst memory of anyone I have ever met... what you asked during is this is legitimately the equivalent of asking if itachi and Sasuke are brothers
First this raditz says to goku "hey kakarot I'm your bro why haven't you destory this planet yet"
8:50 don't worry TFS forgot as well, since Dodoria said: I'm more of "in the now" kind of *Guy.*
Dbs canon Bardock needs the bandana. Bardock looks so cool with it on
But also, in one of his visions, Bardock actually talks to goku. "Bardock. Its no too late. Dont be like him" referring to frieza
Toei animations created both bardock and this special without any of toriyama's help toriyama liked bardock so much that he made his own story about him which acts as the effective cannon
No, the characters design of bardock was made by Toriyama and toriyama created bardock not toei.
Read chapter 307 bardock was shown in that chapter. Toei animation studio only added their own extra story for bardock and characters but they didn't created bardock.
They ate him alive for that Raditz comment 😂
I have forgiven you for everything else and you have been amiable in return but not knowing grandpa gohan and mistaking him for roshi is putting me on edge
Raditz and Goku were stated as brothers as soon as Raditz was introduced
Bardock looks like Goku but without Goku's innocent eyes to make him more of an anti-hero type like Vegeta.
Jack really needs to take a dragonball 101 class with these ridiculously obvious questions lmao
Either your memory is bad or you don’t pay attention to little details. Not a criticism bc I get you watch these once a week but it’s just something I noticed. Kinda funny and endearing
Focus on the Goku and Raditz comment is definitely needed but let’s also point out that if the watching of this happened after he watched the Namek arc then he should of known they were under Friezas rule. That was the whole Vegeta emotional speech.
13:20 they got Vegeta’s actual English voice actor to say “you’re stupid!”
Chris Sabot loves TFS, unlike Sean Schemmel who I heard from multiple sources that he is kinda of a......well, he not a nice guy.
LETS GOOOO JACK UR THE BEST. Also, you should watch the soldiers vs bardock and bardock charging frieza scene in English or Japanese (original)
"That is on trajectory to obliterate his army too."
Frieza has literally never once cared about his soldiers beyond if they can be useful to him in the moment, thus they were disposable.
"Wait! Was he actually dropped on his head?"
Why do you think he didn’t kill every last being on the planet? He’s a saiyan! They only don’t do that if sufficient brain damage occurs before they’re strong enough!
But he was too weak as a toddler, nowhere near a regular saiyan child, so he wouldn't even be able to kill many people. Only characters above 200x can kill everyone on the planet
@@yoklyujl7 I don't think you understood my comment. He was weak as a literal baby, yes. My comment kinda already covered that with the "(...) before they're strong enough" part. He kept growing in both body and strength since his birth (as people usually do) and at the end of Dragonball he was already the strongest person on the planet.
Not to mention big monke would have caused great damage to most residents of the planet even before that.
@@planetbob6703 he had a PL of 10 at age 12, and an oozaru transformation would still be 20x weaker than King Piccolo yet Raditz thought he could kill the whole planet in two years
@@yoklyujl7...
How do you have this little reading comprehension? I said he would have killed everyone *once he got strong enough.* At the age of 20 he was the strongest person on the planet. A literal infant wouldn't have gone on a rampage. There's also nobody saying he was sure to succeed. He would have tried though if he didn't hit his head.
@Planet_Bob *most not mist
honestly probably should listen to the guy who said stop talking. Chat seems to serve as nothing more than a distraction
How did you get this far and not realise Raditz was his brother?
Because he talks over everything and even bans people on his stream for pointing that out. Good dude but terrible reactor
@@Bob-mo4no wait,did u get banned?
@@davidmicheaels343 some guy in this video did, gave him a 2 hour mute and in his other reactions you see him ban people for just asking him to react
@@davidmicheaels343 there was a guy in this video that he banned for calling him out for being stupid about raditz being gokus brother. yet there were several others that said the same thing yet they didn't get banned. it's kinda childish to ban people when they call you out on stuff
@@darknesswave100 Sounds like he needs to grow up.
Imagine that being your last moments...the Para Para brothers and that damn song sending you off *Shivers*
I'd be happy
When Frieza sees Goku he thought of that Sayian who fought iuntil the end.
I believe (correct me people if i´m wrong) tt Bardock didn´t die against Freiza. Freiza´s attack caused a wormhole and Bardock travelled back in time.
He then fought and defeated Chilled (Freiza´s ancestor) turning Super Saiyan. Chilled was found by his men and talked about a Super Saiyan before dying.
And that is how the Super Saiyan legend was born.
To sum up, Bardock was the first super Saiyan ever
The copyrighted songs were written for the 1986 Transformers movie (the original) check it out sometime if you want to experience a piece of American pop culture history.
My dude...! You're late!!! But your forgiven because your reaction is a blessing!
Since you’re watching Abridged and not DBZ, there is another special “Episode of Bardock” which is hysterical but makes no sense whatsoever.
The TFS DBcember countdowns would be a great watch. Entertaining and you'd learn a lot of Dragonball that isn't covered in the games or in the abridged series.
Too bad later DBcember countdowns they drag it out for extra views.
1:58 he is Recoome's uncle
"Baby Vegeta is so cute" Hidden accidental GT reference
Took me 10 seconds to realise what you mean and I almost spit out my drink. (It's been 9 years since the time I watched it so it took a few seconds to get it.)
13:17 the actual voice of vegeta/piccolo says “you’re stupid”
Let me tell you this yes bardock is canon has been for a long time Toriyama loved Bardock so much he put him in the manga his story for the most part isn't just the end part is 😅
Homie's pretty fun, but damn if he ain't got a negative IQ
jack, i'm gonna leave a little fact right here that might be too much for u to handle but raditz is the uncle of gohan,and burdock is his grandpa.I'll just let that sink in.
It’s like bro refuses to remember anything from the first few episodes where raditz comes in and says “and to top off this emotional on-slot I am you’re brother” and where Vageta or Napa I forgot who referenced bardok being gokus dad
To give some clarity on the whole canon not canon thing. In the manga we don't learn much about Bardock we are just shown in two panels that he died trying to make some sort of final stand against Freeza. When the anime aired they used this as an opportunity to expand on that which is what lead to this special and for the longest time this was considered canon. However years later Akira Toriyama would make a short story called Dragon Ball minus which re-tells the story of Bardock and how Goku was sent to Earth. And it's not just the whole thing with Bardock the OG anime added alot of stuff that wasn't in the manga so it's really debatable just how much of is canon.
The special was never considered canon since none of it was made or agree on by Toriyama. They took the two canon panels we have seen in the manga and made a story around those, but nothing except those panels was canon.
@@EskChan19 I know but given how the story was referenced and brought up in numerous games and stuff it was perceived as canon.
Toei just stole Toriyama's thunder since they never thought Toriyama would bother with a storyline set before Dragon Ball. The special came out first and Toriyama liked the finished special enough to include it in flashback panels.
The manga was originally released in a weekly manga magazine along with other properties before enough chapters get released to make up its very own book. This means the magazine version is the absolute earliest a chapter can be released to the public. The chapter Bardock was shown in was published on January 5, 1991. The Bardock special came out first on October 17, 1990 - an 80-day difference.
Goku's name as kakarot means carrot
You should watch the one where burdock goes back in time too .that one is a banger
this special was canon but it was then replaced by the manga called dragonball minus which was adapted into the opening of the 2018 movie
So long as you're on this journey, it might be worth reacting to the old Dragonball anime. It's not too common for channels to do reactions to it, and it's old enough that they might be less strict with copyright strikes. Not to mention, I think that the majority of it is better than the Cell and Buu sagas, though that is just my personal subjective opinion.
Sadly he'd still get Copyright strikes. Look what happened to TNM
@@Eeveethegamer26 Yeah, but that was more an issue with Toei animation abusing the claims system on RUclips to make an example of Mark. Realistically, reacting to the Og dragonball is no more risky than reacting to dbza, and could be made safer by cutting and adding a transparent overlay on the video
I knew he would react to this because "I CAN SEE THE FUTURE! "
i think you should react to bardok’s special episode, him traveling to the past/ future i don’t remember but it was against freiza’s grand father, it’s so good
edit: that’s kinda spoilers don’t read if you’ll react
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in the this episode you will find out the origins of the super sayian myth among freiza and his family/ army
At the end of the video I was internally screaming at him to look at the clips playing. He missed all the og dragon ball clips that were put in the end credits.
dude the chat just distracts you too much... that's why you can't even remember that goku and raditz are brothers or that goku hit his head as a kid
Those few episodes he recorded off-stream towards the end of the Frieza saga were so much more entertaining because they had his full attention and engagement. Having it go back to 40% watching, 60% reading, responding and talking to chat is kind of disappointing.
I know im a year late, but tbh if they had Broly be another of gokus siblings, they may have actually had a decent plot point for Broly to hate kakkarot instead of "he did a big cry".
6:14 Jack, you've been through the Saiyan saga twice now and you didn't realize Radditz is Goku's brother. Also Bardock father of goku used to be cannon, but has been retconned by Dragon Ball Super Broly.
What about the fact that Raditz straight up told goku that they are brothers in the first episode, or that goku mentioned his brother, Raditz, to King Yamma shortly after dying? Only makes him not realizing this look all the worse for him.
Super broly is a much better introduction to bardock honestly but i wish they kept tue bandana design
Bardock was canon because Toriyama watched the special and really liked it, but while the character was canon, the events of the special never were. Toriyama wouldn't make his version of the events until DBS broly. Bardock's appearance was indeed retconned though because he did show up in like one panel in the manga and his design was the same as in the tv special then.
Don't worry Jack, I actually watched DBZ and still forgot that Raditz was Goku's brother.
Yo man, I also recommend watching DBZ kai abridged ep 2 since you finished season 2!
I remember the first time I saw this special was during the original run on toonami, and this came out in between the namek saga and freeza saga (technically arcs but they flipped them for dragon ball)
Bro you realize its a joke to say *just stop talking*? that was pretty thin skinned of ya. Not mad but disappointed.
5:16 Pick your jaw up from the floor, Seb-- I mean, Jack. 😆
The more and more Jack watches these the more I can tell he's getting so confused XD
But tbf, DB canon/non-canon is relatively messy to someone who's just now looking to get into the series. Once you understand it it becomes much more easy to keep track of.
Wait until he gets to Super. That's where "I Am Confusion" becomes your default state.
@@poochyenajones1362 Truuuu
Yeah cause once you get to super then they completely screw up the ending of dbz by having Pan being born already cause she was 3 in the last episode and goten and trunks were teenagers but then in super she's born and trunks and goten are only like 9 and 8 I think
BRO BUT THERE IS ONE MORE BARDOCK SPECIAL
A SEQUAL TO THIS ONE
NO! NO! We do NOT talk about that one!
@@ligtningdog6399 why?