Of course, there’s no harm in wanting this and loving it! 👉The Lost Dragon Ball Stage Arcs: ruclips.net/video/hQf3CCJJC6U/видео.html Edit: I use “Canon” for the sake of simplicity. Obviously there’s no real canon to dragon ball, but there is clear things the current DBS continuity ignored
Goku learning of Bardock was about him getting closure and understanding Saiyan pride. Before this, even if he embraced this side of himself, Goku didn't have much to be proud of regarding his heritage. Learning that his father was a warrior capable of good and not just some savage murderer finally changed that. He doesn't need anything more from Bardock. Plus, Goku doesn't use the dragon balls for personal gain.
Even then it's questionable that Goku was somehow an incomplete man without this knowledge. But that's more about the Granolah arc's writing in general.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Agreed. I don't get why he needed closure at all. He's about as close to Bardock, as the sun is to earth. Grandpa Gohan was his parental figure. And from him, Goku is the way he is today. He found completion through the family and friends he made along the way. He could've at any point in time desire to know more about his father, but never needed to. He was complete. Imo, feels like unneeded dramatic weight.
And he probably doesn’t care either, he’s interested in the future, stronger opponents, the excitement, and he’s developed as a fighter (until Super but we’re not getting to that), and as a person who accepted who he is but he has become.
@@thefreshvince879Yeah but it's not like he tried asking for his brothers help or anything (Not that he had any reason to believe they could actually defeat Nappa or Vegeta but still lol)
@@JosuhThat and he was likely just as evil but weaker anyhow and didn't mind killing. If he grew stronger than Vegeta somehow he'd not be much different possibly but could change.
@@spriggylotus4476 idk what you're talking about, the best part is when Mr Satan hit Goku so hard even his tractor came with him. It was peak dragon ball
@@krystalneko4094 Then again it's seems like if Vegeta can change then just about anyone can. Frieza I am not sure if he has an ounce of good or not and just supposed pure evil like kid Buu who got reincarnated. They probably knew kid Buu would wreck hell beyond recognition if he went down in his original state.😅
Because it makes no difference to King Kai. He already lives in the afterlife. When Cell exploded, King Kai was more upset about losing his planet than losing his life. And he already got his planet back.
@@mansonic1980Not exactly, there was an episode where Goku tried to revive him but his friends are interrupting the plan and Shenron lose patient and go.
Probably the reason why Frieza was able to be revived so long afterwards was because Frieza’s soul was set aside for torture. This made it so there was a soul to be revived.
@@thefreshvince879 They can, but gathering them requires being able to travel between U6 and U7. Goku and Vegeta can't universe hop. They'd either need to ask Whis, who probably wouldn't do so unless for a favor, or ask Zeno, who would probably host another Tournament of Power in order to earn them. Goku fighting to revive his parents would be sweet, but if Zeno decided to erase the losing universes yet again, Goku would have to use the Super Dragon Balls to revive those universes or have U7 get wiped out as well.
I'll tell you why he shouldn't bring back bardok. Because any spinoff ya boy is a part of he absolutely goes OFF. I don't think gokus ready to catch those fatherly hands.
@@thefreshvince879 You forget that bardock was weaker than saiyan saga vegeta, if even Granolah arc vegeta can't beat frieza, what about bardock? He would need to train for more than 15 years, maybe more taking in consideration that he probably had less talent than vegeta
No lol goku isn't a sociopaths he wouldn't revive the saiyains because they were genocidal mass murders who would probably go back to serving frieza because remember nobody believed bardock king vegeta rebelled because of his arrogance and wanted the saiyains to rule the universe people need to go back amd watch the show.
@There_Is_No_War_In_Ba_Sing_SeIt's not like Goku's parents would be much of a threat, that's not the problem. It's that as far as they are concerned Goku lived and that's what's important and Goku understands that (as of the Grenolah arc). The issues with reviving the Saiyans has very little to do with them being a threat, mainly because the strongest saiyans are all good guys.
My question is if Goku spent 7 years in DB heaven, why he never ended up meeting them. Especially in modern Dragon Ball when they're trying to portray Bardock as nice and sympathetic and Gine as a housewife, when Vegeta was also able to redeem himself and get revived. Even if they're dead, wouldn't they at least care about the guy who killed Raditz? Don't dead people still watch events going on in this show?
1. It's more than likely that they were reincarnated, they've been dead for more than a decade now. 2. Vegeta didn't do just one good act and was fine, he sacrificed himself for the sake of the universe Bardock did try to save Granolah and his family, and that and his revelation was way too late, and not even an act worth instant redemption. 3. Any scene of the dead villains watching things are from non canon filler.
Bardock and Gine went to hell and had their soul cleansed. You don't even have to think hard on it. The DB anime filler about heaven and hell has been retconned. It only exists in the original Z and GT timeline
@@sketchydude8431 More than a decade? That's underselling it. They died when Goku was sent to Earth. Goku at that point is in his late 30s/early 40s. They've been dead for MULTIPLE decades, at least over a quarter century.
You know i can respect that that what makes the what if you and other dragon ball tuber create even more amazing and creative also Goku's Parents already did their duty sending away to earth for him to survive frieza wrath and heck goku himself is practically the almagmation of his birth parent coupled with grandpa gohan basic life lessons
@@SmugSticklove your small intro there you interpretation of Fans wanting the Saiyan race revived you know despite 99% being cold blooded murderer and Mauraders who served under a tyrant until said tyrant decided to wipe them out fearing their potential righteously so
I feel like Gohan and Goten make more sense than Gohan and Videl. It would be a stretch to say that Bardock coincidentally reincarnated as someone that would eventually be Gohan's wife. It would be a lot easier to headcannon that you're more likely to be reincarnated within your bloodline. Goten or Pan still work for Bardock anyways.
Not an "um actually" thing but the Bardock saving Granolah & fighting Gas happened 3 years before Planet Vegeta's destruction. Remember Gine said she'd just given birth to Kakarotto before putting him in the chamber during his flashback & Toriyama pointed out that Goku was left in that chamber for 3 years after his birth.
I understand the logistics. But I’m also still sadge we’ll never get Gine outside of her stuff in Minus and Broly and the flashbacks in Granolah. Truly sadge.
To Goku, Grandpa Gohan was his mum and dad merged into one being as Grandpa Gohan was the one to raise him, so even though Goku knows he had real parents who created him, they aren't his parental figure
There's literally no proof of her killing people, these people are just assuming so much cuz she's apart of bardocks team, she probably can't kill or defend herself that's why bardock have to save her.
I really like these new videos. They're quite funny explainers ^_^ Fully agree, I'd also argue it's not thematically sound because DB is about looking forward, not back. Aaaaand the religious component also works ^^
@@DJcreeper344 @ and another reason why he couldn’t revive his parents, remembering how he met raditz and how raditz was trying to kill him and gohan and remembering how raditz was mean, Goku would think his parents could be the same way as raditz Goku may never know about Bardock and gine send him to Earth to save him because he was told by raditz he was sent to earth to destroy every living being on the planet we all know Bardock and gine would been proud of Goku and glad he’s safe but goku may never get to meet them because he doesn’t know them like Goku’s head they could be like raditz all he knows he doesn’t want to take that chance
@Shoutking1224 actually he did meet Bardock someday if Goku gets stronger I reckon he knows Bardock never look like raditz and they are happy with each other however gine will mad at raditz so Bardock too
@DJcreeper344 I mean if we put in the events of Granolah into effect, with him remembering his parents, he still wouldn't revive them plus as Goku stated to Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga, Goku was greatful for being sent to Planet Earth as a toddler
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay he couldn't remember them Also vegeta came to earth and go to Namek then he will tell him about it was frieza destroyed vegeta planet and destroyed Saiyans
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frieza is right about it being "earths hell" when goku goes to get him for the TOP yema says if needed kill him away from earth so he dont gotta deal with frieza anymore.
Goku and Vegeta aren’t sentimental like Earthlings when it comes to the demise of the saiyan race. Especially when so many decades have passed. They are content with their current Earthling family and that’s just compelling. Even when Goku remembered his parents, he still moved on from them. This question is just a wish fulfillment for fans to see certain saiyan characters ( esp. Bardock and Gine) interact with the protagonists. There’s nothing wrong with that but it isn’t necessary to the current storyline as of now based on what’s been established by the characters. The truth is they no longer have a role to play . That’s what what ifs are for.
real question is WHY WOULD THEY DO IT vegeta would have no need nor use for his father goku grew up enough and realized his saiyan heritage HE DOESN'T NEED BARDOCK TO GIVE HIM ATTABOY
Not a bad video overall. Most arguments are good and well explained and I’m not really going to contradict anything from it. However, one thing I will say: "It’s all filler" I will never consider a valid argument, at least to an extent. If we’re talking manga or Super, then yeah, filler is rather meaningless as we saw, hence why it makes more sense for Super’s anime to be a sequel to Kai rather than Z. But filler or not, when something happens in a series, there’s no point ignoring it. It happened. The show and the manga are two different entities and in the anime, villains kept their bodies and lived in that weird place guarded by ogres. And even GT which was the canonical sequel to the anime (again, not the manga, don’t you people start going "Hum actually GT was never canon") before the Super anime, well even GT took the filler into consideration with the presence of the Tuffles or Frieza & Cell having their bodies in Hell. So basically "How Afterlife actually works" really does depend on which version of the Dragon Ball world we are talking about. TL;DR: What filler showed matters in the Z anime, GT and the movies but not in the manga or Kai… mostly because we still see the villains observing the fight against Kid Buu.
I honestly think that Gine had enough good in her to make it to heaven. Plus, we don't know enough about Gine's tenure on Bardock's team to know if she was involved with the genocide of other races, especially since she was rescued by Bardock multiple times and influenced him to being a better person.
@@BeautifulRoppi But that doesn’t make sense, if Gine’s good and Bardock’s evil, then she wouldn’t fall in love with him, she’d get away from him. Opposite detract.
I don't care what kind of wishing BS they have to pull; if they wanted more Saiyan characters, reviving and un-eviling Goku and Vegeta's families would've been cooler than the U6 Saiyans.
If we look at the Burdock special only, than Burdock did only 3 positive in nature things: 1.Avenged his team and by doing so he punished some bad guys. 2.Warned the other Saiyans from what Freeza is planning. Which although they didn't believe him it was a noble thing to do. 3.Stood up to Freeza despite knowing he will die in the fight. So 3 good things in a life of villainy doesn't make him a good guy, it just makes him a brave strong warrior who tried to do right. K. Bejita The-III on the other hand did absolutely nothing good. On the mother of Bejita The-IV we know nothing, and Gine who cares to be honest.
@@thelvadam8811 bring earth back with earths own dragonballs… trying to bring back something super far away and from long ago back to life is not the same thing.. plus it was beerus’s wish to have it destroyed. It’s not coming back anytime soon. The saiyans were also evil
Bardock, in Z, not familiar with Super, was still pretty violent. He taught the saiyans how to make artificial moons, and until he saw his men dead, he was gung ho ready for a fight. He only becomes sympathetic once Frieza threatens to do the saiyans, what he did all the time.
@@lapplandkun9273 your right bardock only show sympathy to his men but he can show compassion to others besides saiyans that not who bardock and all saiyan race can be sympathy or savages it’s a choice not born with darkness my opinion on saiyan race this why I want dragonball genesis 2026 how bardock gine and baby kakorat/goku go to earth same story different outcome same villians new villains and old
2:55 SAO IS NOT THAT BAD!!! 5:19 It's also possible that while she has gentle heart and love her family, she doesn't have empathy for those her husband killed since we never see her feel bad about the Saiyans' action or when Bardock has to kill innocent people.
Yeah the most we see is her mad Bardock's away for long periods of time. Saiyans do have a superiority complex, even when being dominated by creatures like Frieza and Beerus.
@@73NSH1 1-Like how? Sure, the anime adaptation butchered the novel a lot, but at best it's just a mediocre series, which kinda improved by the time of Alicization. 2-What are you even talking about?
@@73NSH1 1-Are you saying that it's bad because it's an anime adapted and butchered from novel? That's not valid enough because you can't translate novel to screen mediums like anime faithfully. Yeah, it was very flawed and the lack of details based on monologues made some scene misinterpreted, like Suguha's feeling toward Kazuto. But overall, it wasn't torturously bad. 2-You don't even explain what my argument is that you seem to seperate it from my SAO argument. I'm just going to assume you're talking about Gine, and pointed out that she never seems to questioned and doubted about Bardock's actions in his missions. She should known that he conquered a planet since it was a common job for Saiyans, but didn't seem to bat an eyes about the evilness of that. That's why I speculate that maybe her soft heart only extended for who she cares.
It'd be kinda funny if they made a short manga about Gohan and Videl being reincarnations of Bardock and Gine. Kinda like the manga "That time I was reincarnated as Yamcha" officially made but non cannon and simply made for fun.
Bardock may be like a typical Saiyan warrior who wipe out planets as a job but he can be capable of change albeit slowly in his own way. Plus it's not like he would antagonize Goku like Raditz did anyway. And Gine would love to meet her grandsons Gohan and Goten, along with befriending Chi-Chi and bond together as fellow feisty women who made Bardock and Goku fall for them respectively.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 It doesn't downplay the saiyans much.,but calling Freiza the Emperor of the universe when its only 28 planets, and from what we've seen most of them are barely populated bug people. Really takes the spice out of it.
4:45 then a case could be made for Bardock because he’s the reason that Frieza is dead. Definitely a stretch but he’s the reason the universe is safe rn.
Answer: He doesn’t know them. I greatly admire the dedication. Leave it up to the Dragon Ball community to create some outlandish theories about whatever.
Here's another take on the reason why Vegeta doesn't revive the saiyans. Old Vegeta would have focuses on wanting immortality and revenge, plus he could rule the galaxy and remain and the only and strongest saiyan. BUT NEW VEGETEA? Here's the thing, Vegeta has a good life, a wife and 2 children, and like it or not he DID make friends/allies and he's living his best life, PLUS if he did or someone else brought the Saiyans back, they'd start causing issues, especially with frieza, being alive. So they could end up running off to kill Frieza, try and conquer their own planets, start rebelling against old king Vegeta. he would need to leave earth and with his strength, become king and rule the saiyans to keep them in check. Likely not visiting his family as often and he would need to make sure constantly that his people are kept in order. HELL, even then, some his people would get sick of this peaceful and would have preferred the old king, maybe some actually liked the Frieza force and would have returned, not to mention that if Vegeta/the other show off Super Saiyans 1, 2, 3, god and blue, other saiyans might try and achieve it, spread the world and cause all sorts of issues. He COULD maybe find a way to circumvent this, maybe have the saiyans enter tournaments, work as mercenaries, maybe get them to try out a life of martial arts and training. Frankly, bringing the saiyans back is more problematic that it should be.
I don't think the sayians would have a reason to be evil with Goku and Vegeta being literal gods that they have only had in legends. With Goku, they could create an entire planet of people who just fight for zenkai boosts
They really shouldn't be scared of saiyans becoming mercenaries again because at this point in the story, even goten or trunks forget them, even yamcha is strong enough to defeat them all even in oozaru form. I am not sure about choutzu though
Bardock: "Haha, Kakarot you brought me back and now I will destroy the earth for you going so weak! What are you, a low class saiyan going to do about it?!" Goku: *Goes super saiyan* Bardock: I'd like to apologise
I can't speak for Vegeta, but Goku's dad was never Bardock. His dad was Grandpa Gohan. He's not gonna bring him back because Gohan wouldnt want to. He settled any grief he felt in OG dragon ball and even if he hadn't, Goku would've had 7 years to get closure while he himself was dead after the Cell Saga. Being purely speculative, i'd say Vegeta and Goku both understand their parents' time has come and gone. It's why vegeta doesn't chase immortality anymore, and the idea never crossed Goku's mind in the first place. Despite the get out of jail free card they have with the dragon balls, they've accepted death as a good thing. If anything its more selfish to use the dragon balls to revive their parents than not. While its non-canon, using the balls too much is how you get the shadow dragons.
Heyy Sumgstick, Big fan of your what ifs here. I had an idea, what if the androids gained zenkais like saiyans or they were genetically modified to be like saiyans or what if Dbs gohan regressed in time to the time raditz came to earth?
Agree with all the arguments but they could make a cool filler about goku trying to go through underworld to go see if the saiyans souls are still there (plus they could give king yemma some more screen and id love to see how he would react)
I’d be more interested in Raditz coming back to life and seeing what became of “Kakarot” and “Prince” Vegeta. I’d like to see the rematch between Raditz and Gohan that’s since killed Cell, been to college, got married, had kids of his own, and took part in the multiverse tournament.
1:35 You make it sound like it being "filler" means that it has no worth? Personally, i don't care if something is "filler" or "canon" as long as it's good.
Man i can relate to Vegeta 4:53, i just feel like my actions are just set in stone and though others may have forgiven me for it, i can't forgive myself for it and feel eternal guilt till the day i pass on and possibly get judged based off how I've lived. If there is a hell i am okay with my soul ending up there, i just feel like i belong there and heaven is more for those who genuinely couldn't control their actions/themselves but tried to. I did all of this willingly, (just like when Vegeta fired a KI blast into the crowd, he did that all because he wanted to see his best friend get mad enough to fight him to settle the differences they had that spanned for decades), because of curiosity. I think Gine would be in heaven, just because she was part of the squad doesn't mean she didn't feel like she fought them as a regular saiyan i think she used her ozaru form which makes it so that she loses control of herself and likely some awareness and isn't herself keep in mind Goku & Gohan both never remembered what happened once they snapped out of it they were completely different beings.
Of course, there’s no harm in wanting this and loving it!
👉The Lost Dragon Ball Stage Arcs: ruclips.net/video/hQf3CCJJC6U/видео.html
Edit: I use “Canon” for the sake of simplicity. Obviously there’s no real canon to dragon ball, but there is clear things the current DBS continuity ignored
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@@SmugStick are you insulating that Bardock and Gine became Chaotzu and Puar respectively
@@takeruneverborn4740😭😭😭
I really love this type of content and editing from you ❤please make more of this my favorite part was the end 😂@@SmugStick
@@sonZuno Thanks a lot!!! Ive been trying something very different so its great to hear people enjoy it as much as I enjoyed making it
Goku learning of Bardock was about him getting closure and understanding Saiyan pride. Before this, even if he embraced this side of himself, Goku didn't have much to be proud of regarding his heritage. Learning that his father was a warrior capable of good and not just some savage murderer finally changed that.
He doesn't need anything more from Bardock. Plus, Goku doesn't use the dragon balls for personal gain.
Exactly, it was a sweet moment and the end of a chapter for bardock and goku
Where is androidku part 10, 11, 12 and etc, btw this what if was my first db what if video i've ever watched @@SmugStick
Even then it's questionable that Goku was somehow an incomplete man without this knowledge. But that's more about the Granolah arc's writing in general.
The entire granolah arc was honestly a shit show. Definitely not my favorite arc.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Agreed. I don't get why he needed closure at all. He's about as close to Bardock, as the sun is to earth. Grandpa Gohan was his parental figure. And from him, Goku is the way he is today. He found completion through the family and friends he made along the way. He could've at any point in time desire to know more about his father, but never needed to.
He was complete. Imo, feels like unneeded dramatic weight.
He never knew them, it’s like asking “Why doesn’t Goten revive Grandpa Gohan?”
I don’t think goten knows about all but if he does grandpa gohan probably doesn’t want to be revived
He knows them in the manga
It’s not really the same.
@@SmugStick it isnt? I mean yeah Goku is like nah GT stands for Goku Time not ST for Saiyan Time.
what are you even saying . . . .
Goku already had to put down his brother. To him saiyans of the past are over. Most likely just wanted them to rest in peace
And he probably doesn’t care either, he’s interested in the future, stronger opponents, the excitement, and he’s developed as a fighter (until Super but we’re not getting to that), and as a person who accepted who he is but he has become.
to be fair Raditz had to do what he had to do or else he would of just gotten murdered in cold blood by vegeta if he failed just like he did Nappa
@@thefreshvince879Yeah but it's not like he tried asking for his brothers help or anything (Not that he had any reason to believe they could actually defeat Nappa or Vegeta but still lol)
@@JosuhThat and he was likely just as evil but weaker anyhow and didn't mind killing. If he grew stronger than Vegeta somehow he'd not be much different possibly but could change.
Smug, you forgot the most vital detail that explains this whole argument.
*DB fans don’t watch the show*
True, the only episode of Super I watched was 'Goku Ultra Instinct' and 'Goku vs Jiren'
@@LigerSuperstar thats just you tho
speak for yourself
@@LigerSuperstar I mean, those are the only good parts of Super anyway tbh
@@spriggylotus4476 idk what you're talking about, the best part is when Mr Satan hit Goku so hard even his tractor came with him. It was peak dragon ball
Nappa being forced to watch sword art online as his own "personal hell" is wild
Nappa did nothing wrong. He wanted to use the dragon balls to revive Raditz.
@@thefreshvince879the very first thing he did when he got to earth was nuke a city for fun
haven't we gone over that hate train years ago also Sao isn't that bad
Could be worse. It could be Sailor Moon Crystal...
@@krystalneko4094 Then again it's seems like if Vegeta can change then just about anyone can. Frieza I am not sure if he has an ounce of good or not and just supposed pure evil like kid Buu who got reincarnated. They probably knew kid Buu would wreck hell beyond recognition if he went down in his original state.😅
Why doesn’t goku revive king Kai?
Now THATS. A fair question. He’s a bad friend.
Goku is an Ass
he forgor
Because it makes no difference to King Kai. He already lives in the afterlife. When Cell exploded, King Kai was more upset about losing his planet than losing his life. And he already got his planet back.
@@mansonic1980Not exactly, there was an episode where Goku tried to revive him but his friends are interrupting the plan and Shenron lose patient and go.
Gine would love Earth.
She would!
She would love to conquer it i agree
@@theatlantean8036that’s not what they meant😅
@@theatlantean8036 Gine was kind
@@Zikuto_ No she wasn't. She was apart of bardocks crew.
Probably the reason why Frieza was able to be revived so long afterwards was because Frieza’s soul was set aside for torture. This made it so there was a soul to be revived.
super dragon balls can do anything tho
@@thefreshvince879 They can, but gathering them requires being able to travel between U6 and U7. Goku and Vegeta can't universe hop. They'd either need to ask Whis, who probably wouldn't do so unless for a favor, or ask Zeno, who would probably host another Tournament of Power in order to earn them. Goku fighting to revive his parents would be sweet, but if Zeno decided to erase the losing universes yet again, Goku would have to use the Super Dragon Balls to revive those universes or have U7 get wiped out as well.
It's explained in Super, he persisted because he refused to allow his soul to become cleansed. He remained angry for a decade.
@@lI-tm2pn"Bro too angry to vanish"
Meanwhile Radditz is still running around in heaven from the heaven police.
OR, they caught, detained and rehabilitated him. Now he is the Heaven Police!
Then he slipped off Snake Way and into HFIL
"They didn't keep their eye on the birdy" 😈
Until he fell into Masako's fanfiction.
I don't care, I'm forcing Goku to revive them, both because Gine is a baddie and because Bardock is just him.
I'll tell you why he shouldn't bring back bardok. Because any spinoff ya boy is a part of he absolutely goes OFF. I don't think gokus ready to catch those fatherly hands.
@@drunkencowboyagni Bardock deserves to be the one to finally end Frieza. Super Sayian God Bardock VS Black Frieza would be insane
@@thefreshvince879 You forget that bardock was weaker than saiyan saga vegeta, if even Granolah arc vegeta can't beat frieza, what about bardock? He would need to train for more than 15 years, maybe more taking in consideration that he probably had less talent than vegeta
*gets sent to Hell*
2:57 - What did Nappa even do to deserve that?!
LMFAO
What was the first thing he did upon coming to earth? And then add the planets he genocided for decades
@@kpounder4908Point taken, but still... Sword Art Online? For all eternity?!
he wasnt subscribed to SmugStick
@@sup3rlu1gi You got that right
Turns out Gine’s soul is Gohan and Bardock’s soul is Videl. The personalities kinda match tbh
I'm buying that and will use that
That’s cute! King Vegeta was Sharpner
@@SmugStick Feels right
That's a cute fan interpretation of it
I think King Vegeta is Trunks.
To Goku, his parents served their purpose. Which was to send him to Earth.
No lol goku isn't a sociopaths he wouldn't revive the saiyains because they were genocidal mass murders who would probably go back to serving frieza because remember nobody believed bardock king vegeta rebelled because of his arrogance and wanted the saiyains to rule the universe people need to go back amd watch the show.
@@There_Is_No_War_In_Ba_Sing_Se
Pfp checks out lol😂
Lmao that sounds horrible when you put it that way holy
@There_Is_No_War_In_Ba_Sing_SeIt's not like Goku's parents would be much of a threat, that's not the problem. It's that as far as they are concerned Goku lived and that's what's important and Goku understands that (as of the Grenolah arc).
The issues with reviving the Saiyans has very little to do with them being a threat, mainly because the strongest saiyans are all good guys.
@@65firered Not to mention the strongest dead saiyans aren't even a problem for Yamcha or Chiatzu
Intro literally made me bust out laughing.
I'm glad!! Tried something different!
@@SmugStick well you definitely nailed it! Are you gonna make more intros like that in the future?
it made you what
My question is if Goku spent 7 years in DB heaven, why he never ended up meeting them.
Especially in modern Dragon Ball when they're trying to portray Bardock as nice and sympathetic and Gine as a housewife, when Vegeta was also able to redeem himself and get revived.
Even if they're dead, wouldn't they at least care about the guy who killed Raditz? Don't dead people still watch events going on in this show?
1. It's more than likely that they were reincarnated, they've been dead for more than a decade now.
2. Vegeta didn't do just one good act and was fine, he sacrificed himself for the sake of the universe
Bardock did try to save Granolah and his family, and that and his revelation was way too late, and not even an act worth instant redemption.
3. Any scene of the dead villains watching things are from non canon filler.
The simple answer is that he either didn't care or didn't think of it.
Bardock and Gine went to hell and had their soul cleansed. You don't even have to think hard on it. The DB anime filler about heaven and hell has been retconned. It only exists in the original Z and GT timeline
He wasn't in heaven. He was in Other World.
@@sketchydude8431 More than a decade? That's underselling it. They died when Goku was sent to Earth. Goku at that point is in his late 30s/early 40s. They've been dead for MULTIPLE decades, at least over a quarter century.
You know i can respect that that what makes the what if you and other dragon ball tuber create even more amazing and creative also Goku's Parents already did their duty sending away to earth for him to survive frieza wrath and heck goku himself is practically the almagmation of his birth parent coupled with grandpa gohan basic life lessons
Thanks so much! Exactly!
@@SmugSticklove your small intro there you interpretation of Fans wanting the Saiyan race revived you know despite 99% being cold blooded murderer and Mauraders who served under a tyrant until said tyrant decided to wipe them out fearing their potential righteously so
Never been this early to a video EVER. nice video SmugStick
To be fair. Someone trying to bring back the Saiyan race, and the potential fallout from that would make an interesting arc.
I literally just commented an idea of this😂😂 that shit would be fire if written correctly
1:07 sparking zero ranked
Z vanish moment
The concept of the Saiyan just working minimum wage jobs is just hilarious.
“Oh hey raditz, how ya been?”
Hey Nappa, could I get a burger?”
this video is actually so amazing
Thanks so much!
Now I have the headcannon that gohan and videl are Gine and Bardock’s souls recycled and trunks is king vegeta’s.
I feel like Gohan and Goten make more sense than Gohan and Videl. It would be a stretch to say that Bardock coincidentally reincarnated as someone that would eventually be Gohan's wife.
It would be a lot easier to headcannon that you're more likely to be reincarnated within your bloodline.
Goten or Pan still work for Bardock anyways.
In one life, King Vegeta was the father, and in the new life, his son is the father, talk about role reversals
My man touching om topics that no one does, W.
“I hope you get reincarnated as a squirrel” peak
Not an "um actually" thing but the Bardock saving Granolah & fighting Gas happened 3 years before Planet Vegeta's destruction. Remember Gine said she'd just given birth to Kakarotto before putting him in the chamber during his flashback & Toriyama pointed out that Goku was left in that chamber for 3 years after his birth.
Yeah you’re correct
I understand the logistics.
But I’m also still sadge we’ll never get Gine outside of her stuff in Minus and Broly and the flashbacks in Granolah.
Truly sadge.
Of course, that’s what what ifs and spin offs are for. No harm in wanting it!
@@SmugStick true.
I’m just a little sad that god forsook me by having most of my favs be dead.
Permanently.
Oh well.
There’s a really good fan manga called Dragon Ball Reboot that has Gine as the main character. I highly recommend it.
This video was the closure I needed
because he don't care... he never met those parents. Goku cared about his grandfather
To Goku, Grandpa Gohan was his mum and dad merged into one being as Grandpa Gohan was the one to raise him, so even though Goku knows he had real parents who created him, they aren't his parental figure
7:40 “And it’s not exactly like the Saiyans had a say on what they did” ✍️🔥🔥🔥
5:29 I don't know why but that just made me laugh.
Gine: A gentle heart
Also Gine: Went along with Bardock killing possibly quite alot of people.
There's literally no proof of her killing people, these people are just assuming so much cuz she's apart of bardocks team, she probably can't kill or defend herself that's why bardock have to save her.
@@BeautifulRoppi I know it's just the thought of it that's funny.
“I hope you get recycled into a squirrel” that actually made me laugh so hard I coughed my lungs up afterwards my humour is so broken
Great video!
Cowboy Bebop refrence 8:58
I really like these new videos. They're quite funny explainers ^_^
Fully agree, I'd also argue it's not thematically sound because DB is about looking forward, not back. Aaaaand the religious component also works ^^
100%!!!!!!
I loved this video and it helped clear a question I've had for a while! Thank you. And keep up the great work! I will be watching more
Love the funny little plot twist at the end 😂😂
Ey Appreciate that
The only reason Goku couldn’t revive his parents because he doesn’t remember them he hit his head as a child
Yes you are correct about that because he did hit his head and that sadly he couldn't remember his parents 😭
@@DJcreeper344 @ and another reason why he couldn’t revive his parents, remembering how he met raditz and how raditz was trying to kill him and gohan and remembering how raditz was mean, Goku would think his parents could be the same way as raditz Goku may never know about Bardock and gine send him to Earth to save him because he was told by raditz he was sent to earth to destroy every living being on the planet we all know Bardock and gine would been proud of Goku and glad he’s safe but goku may never get to meet them because he doesn’t know them like Goku’s head they could be like raditz all he knows he doesn’t want to take that chance
@Shoutking1224 actually he did meet Bardock someday if Goku gets stronger I reckon he knows Bardock never look like raditz and they are happy with each other however gine will mad at raditz so Bardock too
@DJcreeper344 I mean if we put in the events of Granolah into effect, with him remembering his parents, he still wouldn't revive them plus as Goku stated to Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga, Goku was greatful for being sent to Planet Earth as a toddler
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay he couldn't remember them Also vegeta came to earth and go to Namek then he will tell him about it was frieza destroyed vegeta planet and destroyed Saiyans
Bro the cheap shot at SAO will not be tolerated 😭😭2:57
Bro actually likes sao☠️☠️☠️
@@josecarlosfontoirarubio1081 It was pretty good at the start
@@FlaredTruly the start was what made ne drop it
Gun gale online was cool. Beyond that eh
That vegeta is the sayains line was tough
goku would be like : what is parents? is that some kind of food?
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Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
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frieza is right about it being "earths hell" when goku goes to get him for the TOP yema says if needed kill him away from earth so he dont gotta deal with frieza anymore.
Goku and Vegeta aren’t sentimental like Earthlings when it comes to the demise of the saiyan race. Especially when so many decades have passed. They are content with their current Earthling family and that’s just compelling. Even when Goku remembered his parents, he still moved on from them. This question is just a wish fulfillment for fans to see certain saiyan characters ( esp. Bardock and Gine) interact with the protagonists. There’s nothing wrong with that but it isn’t necessary to the current storyline as of now based on what’s been established by the characters. The truth is they no longer have a role to play . That’s what what ifs are for.
real question is
WHY WOULD THEY DO IT
vegeta would have no need nor use for his father
goku grew up enough and realized his saiyan heritage
HE DOESN'T NEED BARDOCK TO GIVE HIM ATTABOY
Not a bad video overall. Most arguments are good and well explained and I’m not really going to contradict anything from it.
However, one thing I will say: "It’s all filler" I will never consider a valid argument, at least to an extent.
If we’re talking manga or Super, then yeah, filler is rather meaningless as we saw, hence why it makes more sense for Super’s anime to be a sequel to Kai rather than Z.
But filler or not, when something happens in a series, there’s no point ignoring it. It happened. The show and the manga are two different entities and in the anime, villains kept their bodies and lived in that weird place guarded by ogres. And even GT which was the canonical sequel to the anime (again, not the manga, don’t you people start going "Hum actually GT was never canon") before the Super anime, well even GT took the filler into consideration with the presence of the Tuffles or Frieza & Cell having their bodies in Hell.
So basically "How Afterlife actually works" really does depend on which version of the Dragon Ball world we are talking about.
TL;DR:
What filler showed matters in the Z anime, GT and the movies but not in the manga or Kai… mostly because we still see the villains observing the fight against Kid Buu.
Love the vid keep it up
What’s up smugstick it’s everyone🗣️🔥
Forcing nappa to watch SAO is just too cruel of a punishment smug, have some mercy on him😔
I honestly think that Gine had enough good in her to make it to heaven. Plus, we don't know enough about Gine's tenure on Bardock's team to know if she was involved with the genocide of other races, especially since she was rescued by Bardock multiple times and influenced him to being a better person.
But then why would she be with Bardock if she’s not evil?
@@azimuddin1890umm it's because she's Inlove with him? I mean there's nothing she can if bardock is evil since that's Saiyan natural nature.
@@BeautifulRoppi
But that doesn’t make sense, if Gine’s good and Bardock’s evil, then she wouldn’t fall in love with him, she’d get away from him. Opposite detract.
@@azimuddin1890 sayians aren't evil, it's just how they are raised
@@azimuddin1890 You would be surprised
I don't care what kind of wishing BS they have to pull; if they wanted more Saiyan characters, reviving and un-eviling Goku and Vegeta's families would've been cooler than the U6 Saiyans.
If we look at the Burdock special only, than Burdock did only 3 positive in nature things: 1.Avenged his team and by doing so he punished some bad guys. 2.Warned the other Saiyans from what Freeza is planning. Which although they didn't believe him it was a noble thing to do. 3.Stood up to Freeza despite knowing he will die in the fight. So 3 good things in a life of villainy doesn't make him a good guy, it just makes him a brave strong warrior who tried to do right. K. Bejita The-III on the other hand did absolutely nothing good. On the mother of Bejita The-IV we know nothing, and Gine who cares to be honest.
So why do they bring Frieza back to life and not Vegeta and Goku's parents and Frieza is more evil than Goku and Vegeta's parents
Vegeta Hated his Dad, But Goku Never got to know his.
And he doesn't want to since Grandpa Gohan is actually the one who raised him as a parent. Goku has no relationship with bardock
In Goku's defence, he doesn't even who the he's supposed to revive, nor does he know their names
Fans really gotta let it go. Bardock and Gine are not coming back.
Well…. Canonically…. (Looks at the corpse of Heroes)
Bardock is a fan favorite,he won't come back canoncially,but he WILL come back
We can still hope for a movie with bardock as a protagonist
@@EnzoGranzotto Only in heroes
I just want an episode where goku meets gine and bardock in the otherworld, that's all. Not coming back but just a cute interaction
Honestly, I could see Vegeta becoming God of Destruction as redemption for all the pain he's caused
he don't care about them like that, and vegeta would need super dragonball to even attempt to bring back a whole planet.
Why would one need the super dragonballs to bring back a planet? Didn't porunga or shenron bring back earth after kid buu destroyed it?
@@thelvadam8811 bring earth back with earths own dragonballs… trying to bring back something super far away and from long ago back to life is not the same thing.. plus it was beerus’s wish to have it destroyed. It’s not coming back anytime soon. The saiyans were also evil
damn I didn't knew that smug stick was that majestic
Saiyans were ruthless not all saiyans were ruthless bardock and gine wanted there sons live and peace and harmony
Yeah, they were the exception to the rule, and Bardock still savagely killed. DB minus literally showed him wiping out a planet
Bardock, in Z, not familiar with Super, was still pretty violent. He taught the saiyans how to make artificial moons, and until he saw his men dead, he was gung ho ready for a fight. He only becomes sympathetic once Frieza threatens to do the saiyans, what he did all the time.
@@lapplandkun9273 your right bardock only show sympathy to his men but he can show compassion to others besides saiyans that not who bardock and all saiyan race can be sympathy or savages it’s a choice not born with darkness my opinion on saiyan race this why I want dragonball genesis 2026 how bardock gine and baby kakorat/goku go to earth same story different outcome same villians new villains and old
7:25 “I AM THE HYPE”
2:55 SAO IS NOT THAT BAD!!!
5:19 It's also possible that while she has gentle heart and love her family, she doesn't have empathy for those her husband killed since we never see her feel bad about the Saiyans' action or when Bardock has to kill innocent people.
Yeah the most we see is her mad Bardock's away for long periods of time. Saiyans do have a superiority complex, even when being dominated by creatures like Frieza and Beerus.
1-SAO is even worse than that.
2- Your arguments boils down to something is not bc you can't perceive it with your senses.
@@73NSH1 1-Like how? Sure, the anime adaptation butchered the novel a lot, but at best it's just a mediocre series, which kinda improved by the time of Alicization.
2-What are you even talking about?
@@MinhLe19303
1- How? By being so, i'm talking about the anime I didn't even know there was a novel.
2- Iliterate detected
@@73NSH1 1-Are you saying that it's bad because it's an anime adapted and butchered from novel? That's not valid enough because you can't translate novel to screen mediums like anime faithfully. Yeah, it was very flawed and the lack of details based on monologues made some scene misinterpreted, like Suguha's feeling toward Kazuto. But overall, it wasn't torturously bad.
2-You don't even explain what my argument is that you seem to seperate it from my SAO argument. I'm just going to assume you're talking about Gine, and pointed out that she never seems to questioned and doubted about Bardock's actions in his missions. She should known that he conquered a planet since it was a common job for Saiyans, but didn't seem to bat an eyes about the evilness of that. That's why I speculate that maybe her soft heart only extended for who she cares.
It'd be kinda funny if they made a short manga about Gohan and Videl being reincarnations of Bardock and Gine. Kinda like the manga "That time I was reincarnated as Yamcha" officially made but non cannon and simply made for fun.
W video
I do recall a good fic, Dragon Ball Dynasties, which had him revive Gine, Bardock, and Raditz
Bardock may be like a typical Saiyan warrior who wipe out planets as a job but he can be capable of change albeit slowly in his own way. Plus it's not like he would antagonize Goku like Raditz did anyway.
And Gine would love to meet her grandsons Gohan and Goten, along with befriending Chi-Chi and bond together as fellow feisty women who made Bardock and Goku fall for them respectively.
The real question is, why he didn't revive grandpa gohan?
He specifically asked not to be revived
Yooooo face reveal
He never knew them. Done. They dont cross his mind at all.
Hardly genocidal. Theres only 28 inhabited planets in the universe...
28 LEFT
Edit: Frieza cleared hundreds at least as he owns over 400, Kid Buu destroyed some, Beerus as well.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 It doesn't downplay the saiyans much.,but calling Freiza the Emperor of the universe when its only 28 planets, and from what we've seen most of them are barely populated bug people. Really takes the spice out of it.
Hardly???? They’re one of the reasons there’s only 28
@@DeathCrunch He owns OVER 400. Y'know the ones he had CLEARED
Mf the Saiyans and Frieza are the reason that there's only 28 planets.
Another goated video from the goat🫡
If goku said "i wish for my father to be revived" grandpa gohan would appear
Gohan: "This again?"
The most hilarious thing is the baby looked angry yet didn’t think to try to lift up his hat
3:00 Sao is peak, that would be in heaven.
Btw, in the anime Picolo also said the recicle soul thing.
Bardock would is the reincarnation of yamcha because of the scar
4:45 then a case could be made for Bardock because he’s the reason that Frieza is dead. Definitely a stretch but he’s the reason the universe is safe rn.
In a roundabout way I guess but I don’t think so
OK then by that same logic Vegeta shouldn't be going to hell because Trunks ended up killing Freiza in the end which doesn't make sense.
@@BBK113 didn’t save the universe. Time travel would mess it up. And Goku would’ve killed him anyway
Peak video but why did u have to make mine buff in the thumbnail
Answer: He doesn’t know them.
I greatly admire the dedication. Leave it up to the Dragon Ball community to create some outlandish theories about whatever.
It’s been way longer than 10 years and their bodies are space dust
RJIS VIDEO IS NOT EVEN UP FOR LIKE 20 SECONDS HOW ARE THERE LIKE 10 COMMENTS ALREADY-
Worth noting that heaven and hell when you die on earth is exclusive to earth. It seems there are other realms
Here's another take on the reason why Vegeta doesn't revive the saiyans. Old Vegeta would have focuses on wanting immortality and revenge, plus he could rule the galaxy and remain and the only and strongest saiyan.
BUT NEW VEGETEA? Here's the thing, Vegeta has a good life, a wife and 2 children, and like it or not he DID make friends/allies and he's living his best life, PLUS if he did or someone else brought the Saiyans back, they'd start causing issues, especially with frieza, being alive. So they could end up running off to kill Frieza, try and conquer their own planets, start rebelling against old king Vegeta. he would need to leave earth and with his strength, become king and rule the saiyans to keep them in check.
Likely not visiting his family as often and he would need to make sure constantly that his people are kept in order. HELL, even then, some his people would get sick of this peaceful and would have preferred the old king, maybe some actually liked the Frieza force and would have returned, not to mention that if Vegeta/the other show off Super Saiyans 1, 2, 3, god and blue, other saiyans might try and achieve it, spread the world and cause all sorts of issues. He COULD maybe find a way to circumvent this, maybe have the saiyans enter tournaments, work as mercenaries, maybe get them to try out a life of martial arts and training.
Frankly, bringing the saiyans back is more problematic that it should be.
I don't think the sayians would have a reason to be evil with Goku and Vegeta being literal gods that they have only had in legends. With Goku, they could create an entire planet of people who just fight for zenkai boosts
They really shouldn't be scared of saiyans becoming mercenaries again because at this point in the story, even goten or trunks forget them, even yamcha is strong enough to defeat them all even in oozaru form. I am not sure about choutzu though
Bardock: "Haha, Kakarot you brought me back and now I will destroy the earth for you going so weak! What are you, a low class saiyan going to do about it?!"
Goku: *Goes super saiyan*
Bardock: I'd like to apologise
Smugstick why is vegeta the prince of sayiens if his dad died, wouldn’t he be king vegeta?
There’s no narrative reason for it either, so unless they want to do some noncanon fan-servicey Son family reunion it won’t happen.
Agreed
you forgot astral dust when Goku told Vegeta to be careful when fighting Buu!
I can't speak for Vegeta, but Goku's dad was never Bardock. His dad was Grandpa Gohan. He's not gonna bring him back because Gohan wouldnt want to. He settled any grief he felt in OG dragon ball and even if he hadn't, Goku would've had 7 years to get closure while he himself was dead after the Cell Saga.
Being purely speculative, i'd say Vegeta and Goku both understand their parents' time has come and gone. It's why vegeta doesn't chase immortality anymore, and the idea never crossed Goku's mind in the first place. Despite the get out of jail free card they have with the dragon balls, they've accepted death as a good thing.
If anything its more selfish to use the dragon balls to revive their parents than not. While its non-canon, using the balls too much is how you get the shadow dragons.
Heyy Sumgstick, Big fan of your what ifs here. I had an idea, what if the androids gained zenkais like saiyans or they were genetically modified to be like saiyans or what if Dbs gohan regressed in time to the time raditz came to earth?
Hi
Agree with all the arguments but they could make a cool filler about goku trying to go through underworld to go see if the saiyans souls are still there (plus they could give king yemma some more screen and id love to see how he would react)
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I’d be more interested in Raditz coming back to life and seeing what became of “Kakarot” and “Prince” Vegeta. I’d like to see the rematch between Raditz and Gohan that’s since killed Cell, been to college, got married, had kids of his own, and took part in the multiverse tournament.
1:35 You make it sound like it being "filler" means that it has no worth? Personally, i don't care if something is "filler" or "canon" as long as it's good.
He is talking about solely canon and quite literally praised the filler for being fun not sure what you're on about
@@hexenfree okay.
Wait, what's wrong with being a squirrel?
SmugStick: Vegeta is the Saiyans
Vegeta: i am "them"
Because Goku's real parent is Grandpa Gohan and he never knew Bardok or Gine? i thought it was a pretty cut and dry answer.
Man i can relate to Vegeta 4:53, i just feel like my actions are just set in stone and though others may have forgiven me for it, i can't forgive myself for it and feel eternal guilt till the day i pass on and possibly get judged based off how I've lived. If there is a hell i am okay with my soul ending up there, i just feel like i belong there and heaven is more for those who genuinely couldn't control their actions/themselves but tried to.
I did all of this willingly, (just like when Vegeta fired a KI blast into the crowd, he did that all because he wanted to see his best friend get mad enough to fight him to settle the differences they had that spanned for decades), because of curiosity. I think Gine would be in heaven, just because she was part of the squad doesn't mean she didn't feel like she fought them as a regular saiyan i think she used her ozaru form which makes it so that she loses control of herself and likely some awareness and isn't herself keep in mind Goku & Gohan both never remembered what happened once they snapped out of it they were completely different beings.
Regardless, it would still be a very interesting concept seeing Bardock and Gine make a new life on earth.