I really like the Movellan war. Sure, its roots may be planted in ideas completely contradictory to the very core of the Dalek concept ('one race of robots fighting another!') but it paved the path to my favorite period of Dalek history, where the empire breaks apart into splinter groups opposed to each other as well as everyone else. It birthed the striking image of desperate Daleks cowering away from conflict at the first sign of trouble (Resurrection) and was also part of the longest continuous story arc the Daleks have ever had, with connected stories going straight from the introduction of Davros in Genesis, right up to the first blow of what would eventually become the Time War in Remembrance.
I always wondered if the Silver Daleks were almost pure scientists and after evil, it led to the Daleks abolishing them and putting restraints on the Daleks to prevent another humanized faction but leading to a loss of imagination that led to them being no different than robots in their thinking.
@@EternalEmperorofZakuulImagine if they formed an alliance with the time lords against the Evil pepper pots I am, and it just amounts to a bunch of robots and a guy in a weird robe stump stomping on the first fish to leave scaros ocean
The Mondasian Cybermen were the scariest. The Daleks are funny, cartoon creations that go around repeating exterminate, or power to the daleks. I loved the episode where Bill Potts was turned into a cyberman, she finally found the appropriate gender role that suited her, and she was spooky, too. especially when that tear rolled down her face.
In a future video could you talk about the Dalek's conflict with the Mechonoids as I believe them to be even more dangerous than the Movellans ever were
It harkens back to a time when the writers seem to have forgotten that the daleks were cyborgs , or biologicals basically inside lil tanks, and seem to have regarded them as robots (admitedly ironocally the original czech robots were human). There was no need for the daleks to be perfectly logical, and basically they werent in just about all cases. The movellans as androids would be encased ais ...
The Ancient-Egyptian like Movellans were one thing I liked about Destiny of the Daleks. So cool they got a cameo in Series 10 of New Who and it explored the Dalek-Movellan war a bit more.
The ancient Egyptians built the sphinx on top of the Red Dalek's grave (The Red Dalek that was defeated in the Mutation of Time.) They wanted to make sure it stayed in the grave.
I was pleased to see the Movellans in The Pilot, because I'm a sucker for classic creatures reappearing in the new series. But honestly, I was not a fan of the Movellans, they honestly felt pretty lame, especially when they were defeated by @*&%ing piggy in the middle.
Series 10-The Pilot. Bronze Daleks are seen killing Movillens. The Dalek armies from Parting of the Ways and Solen Earth were keeping themselves totally hidden from the universe, focusing all their attention on building armies. Also the Time War is extremely difficult to escape in one peace, or enter in one peice for that matter. So this couldn't be during that. This makes it probable that the Daleks we see in The Pilot were at the very least produced sometime after Victory of the Daleks, making them paradigm era daleks.
@@robotx9285 Expanded media has shown pre-Time War Daleks using bronze casings, so their design in The Pilot isn't necessarily a good indicator of when that conflict happens I would argue the *Movellans behaviour* is more pertinent - pretty out of character for them to be running and screaming like that... Almost as if their species has evolved from when we last saw them in Destiny, thereby placing it after
@@darkhumour741 One-Kinda was thinking about that order of events and it makes sense. Two-It's a interesting idea to show how the Dalek enemies had truly evolved, while the Daleks had mostly remained stagnate. Like we get to see that idea actually playout to a much larger extend in the Timelord Victorious web series. Where the mechconiods had returned, being shown to have developed more complex personalities, a distinct culture and abstract ideas like beauty.
Wasn't the movellans and the war fabricated if not staged by the daleks in an attempt to subvert the timelines to save skaro from its destruction by the hand of omega and to trick davros, the "skaro" he was on was actually a planet terraformed to resemble skaro and they even reconstructed the ruins of the labs to deceive davros, that planet he was on was called "Antalin" according to the book "war of the daleks"
It's been awhile since I've read War of the Daleks. If I recall the Dalek Prime somehow become aware of the Dalek defeat in Remembrance of the Daleks and put a plan into action that allowed for the events to happen in a way that tricked both Davros and the Doctor?
War of the Daleks is generally forgotten and ignored as none of the current who media, TV, big finish etc have referenced it or expanded on it. The whole movellan war being a dalek rouse has been ignored and Big finishes origins of the Movellans tends to be the accepted one. But that book was a way to convoluted in its plot.
Ok my head cannon isnt that it brought the daleks to extinish like you claimed but instead the virus never got close to wiping out the daleks despite its potential. I think that the use of non dalek ships, small squads and mercs is mearly due to the dalek empire going into quartine and thus interms of actual number losses and losses of planets it was fairly limitied but it put dalek expansion on the holt and the daleks knew the longer it went on the greater the risk of extiniction. This way it doesnt weaken the daleks to much in their prelude to the time war
I think it should be Dalek/ Movellan war, not Dalek-Movellan war. A hyphen is used to join two words together that describe a noun. Dalek and Movellan are the names of differing sci-fi species and therefore should not be intersected to form a complete word or noun.
@@kn3448 Hyphens have many uses, one then being the naming convention of wars between different groups. The Franco-Prussian War, for example. You see this often in sci-fi - the Dalek-Movellan War, the Human-Covenant War, and the Federation-Cardassian War
I'll have my Tarot reader consult the ghost of Terry Fricken' Nation and seek his interpretation on whether Daleks are driven by Logic or Hate! I tend to think the later.
It's usually just called the Dalek-Movellan War, but some sources refer to it as either the 'Movellan-Dalek War' or just the 'Movellan War'. The Dalek Wars are different, that's humanity's name for a series of wars from the 22nd-47th centuries in which Daleks attack Humanity and its allies.
@@dalekbumps I wish they would have made Bill a dalek and once he was a dalek, have him stay a Dalek, and not have Heather the Cosmic mermaid rescue Bill. Thus, s/he would remain a Dalek for life! S/he should have remained a Cyberman for life. Today's Dr Who is too goody goody. I remember when Doctor Who used to have a bit of tragedy. Do you remember the infamous episode where the 5th Doctor lost Adric? Adric had so much more to offer humanity than Bill Potts or Clara.. Adric was a true hero and a genius, too.
the fact that we saw RTD era Daleks fighting Movellans in the Capaldi era suggest there may have been more that one Dalek-Movellan war
The novelisation for Rememberance implies this too, with a “war of vengeance” being fought by the Daleks
Well they need something to do on weekends
I really like the Movellan war. Sure, its roots may be planted in ideas completely contradictory to the very core of the Dalek concept ('one race of robots fighting another!') but it paved the path to my favorite period of Dalek history, where the empire breaks apart into splinter groups opposed to each other as well as everyone else. It birthed the striking image of desperate Daleks cowering away from conflict at the first sign of trouble (Resurrection) and was also part of the longest continuous story arc the Daleks have ever had, with connected stories going straight from the introduction of Davros in Genesis, right up to the first blow of what would eventually become the Time War in Remembrance.
I always wondered if the Silver Daleks were almost pure scientists and after evil, it led to the Daleks abolishing them and putting restraints on the Daleks to prevent another humanized faction but leading to a loss of imagination that led to them being no different than robots in their thinking.
Imagine if the Movellans and Mechanoids formed an alliance against the Daleks.
Imagine those 2 formed an alliance with the Cybermen against the Daleks
There‘s a huge list of species and factions that could band together to destroy the Daleks if they ever wanted to.
But don't forget not all these races may exist at the same time. Wibbly-wobbly after all!
@@EternalEmperorofZakuulImagine if they formed an alliance with the time lords against the Evil pepper pots
I am, and it just amounts to a bunch of robots and a guy in a weird robe stump stomping on the first fish to leave scaros ocean
The mechindniods would be skewed by the movelions
Daleks are scary because they’re so flat in apparent nuance but super deep, vicious and demented
The Mondasian Cybermen were the scariest. The Daleks are funny, cartoon creations that go around repeating exterminate, or power to the daleks. I loved the episode where Bill Potts was turned into a cyberman, she finally found the appropriate gender role that suited her, and she was spooky, too. especially when that tear rolled down her face.
In a future video could you talk about the Dalek's conflict with the Mechonoids as I believe them to be even more dangerous than the Movellans ever were
It harkens back to a time when the writers seem to have forgotten that the daleks were cyborgs , or biologicals basically inside lil tanks, and seem to have regarded them as robots (admitedly ironocally the original czech robots were human). There was no need for the daleks to be perfectly logical, and basically they werent in just about all cases. The movellans as androids would be encased ais ...
I always found it that the movellans was able the beat the Daleks but the timelords couldn’t
The writers got off on making the Time Lords the villains. The time lords kept getting more evil as the show got older.
They need to bring the Fabulous Movellans back!
Doctor Who takes on the Herculoids! Zock and Igoo would crush the Doctor and Gloop, Gleep, and Tundra would exterminate the Daleks!
Mechmaster's web comic show's how the Dalek-Movellan war started, shame it's not canon!
Oo what does it show
@@ItsButterBean1020 it's available to view if you google it
The Ancient-Egyptian like Movellans were one thing I liked about Destiny of the Daleks. So cool they got a cameo in Series 10 of New Who and it explored the Dalek-Movellan war a bit more.
You Who it's New Who!
The ancient Egyptians built the sphinx on top of the Red Dalek's grave (The Red Dalek that was defeated in the Mutation of Time.) They wanted to make sure it stayed in the grave.
I was pleased to see the Movellans in The Pilot, because I'm a sucker for classic creatures reappearing in the new series.
But honestly, I was not a fan of the Movellans, they honestly felt pretty lame, especially when they were defeated by @*&%ing piggy in the middle.
I like Klassic Kreatures too except for that dreadful Alpha Centauri. It was the Jar Jar Binks of Doctor Who.
Source for the war starting up again during the paradigm era?
From "the pilot" i think, a few dalek books too
Series 10-The Pilot.
Bronze Daleks are seen killing Movillens.
The Dalek armies from Parting of the Ways and Solen Earth were keeping themselves totally hidden from the universe, focusing all their attention on building armies.
Also the Time War is extremely difficult to escape in one peace, or enter in one peice for that matter. So this couldn't be during that.
This makes it probable that the Daleks we see in The Pilot were at the very least produced sometime after Victory of the Daleks, making them paradigm era daleks.
@@robotx9285 Expanded media has shown pre-Time War Daleks using bronze casings, so their design in The Pilot isn't necessarily a good indicator of when that conflict happens
I would argue the *Movellans behaviour* is more pertinent - pretty out of character for them to be running and screaming like that...
Almost as if their species has evolved from when we last saw them in Destiny, thereby placing it after
@@darkhumour741 One-Kinda was thinking about that order of events and it makes sense.
Two-It's a interesting idea to show how the Dalek enemies had truly evolved, while the Daleks had mostly remained stagnate.
Like we get to see that idea actually playout to a much larger extend in the Timelord Victorious web series. Where the mechconiods had returned, being shown to have developed more complex personalities, a distinct culture and abstract ideas like beauty.
Wasn't the movellans and the war fabricated if not staged by the daleks in an attempt to subvert the timelines to save skaro from its destruction by the hand of omega and to trick davros, the "skaro" he was on was actually a planet terraformed to resemble skaro and they even reconstructed the ruins of the labs to deceive davros, that planet he was on was called "Antalin" according to the book "war of the daleks"
It's been awhile since I've read War of the Daleks. If I recall the Dalek Prime somehow become aware of the Dalek defeat in Remembrance of the Daleks and put a plan into action that allowed for the events to happen in a way that tricked both Davros and the Doctor?
That novel was too convoluted in my opinion
War of the Daleks is generally forgotten and ignored as none of the current who media, TV, big finish etc have referenced it or expanded on it. The whole movellan war being a dalek rouse has been ignored and Big finishes origins of the Movellans tends to be the accepted one. But that book was a way to convoluted in its plot.
@@AnubisX1 Sometimes Doctor Who seems like a big glob of Wiggly Timy Wimy GobbledeeGoop that the Red Rocker calls "Mental Masturbation"!
Ok my head cannon isnt that it brought the daleks to extinish like you claimed but instead the virus never got close to wiping out the daleks despite its potential.
I think that the use of non dalek ships, small squads and mercs is mearly due to the dalek empire going into quartine and thus interms of actual number losses and losses of planets it was fairly limitied but it put dalek expansion on the holt and the daleks knew the longer it went on the greater the risk of extiniction.
This way it doesnt weaken the daleks to much in their prelude to the time war
1:16 where this cgi from?
Doctor Who Flux episode 6 I believe?
God damn beautiful I tell ya.
That is definitely in the top 10 best shots in all of Doctor Who
The Movellans were memorable, at least to me.
I'd like to see The Dominators and The Quarks take on the Dalek's
I wonder who would win the cyber men vs movellans robots v robots
Have them face off in "Battle Bots"!
Didn't The Daleks create The Movellans according to a John Peel book?
As they used to say in the 1970's "Hardy Har Har"!
I think it should be Dalek/ Movellan war, not Dalek-Movellan war.
A hyphen is used to join two words together that describe a noun. Dalek and Movellan are the names of differing sci-fi species and therefore should not be intersected to form a complete word or noun.
@@kn3448 Hyphens have many uses, one then being the naming convention of wars between different groups. The Franco-Prussian War, for example. You see this often in sci-fi - the Dalek-Movellan War, the Human-Covenant War, and the Federation-Cardassian War
I find the idea of calling daleks logically driven odd tbh.
I'll have my Tarot reader consult the ghost of Terry Fricken' Nation and seek his interpretation on whether Daleks are driven by Logic or Hate! I tend to think the later.
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The Dalek-Mofellan War, sometimes called The Movellan-Dalek War, or more simply the Movellan War, or The Dalek War, or ..... lmao
It's usually just called the Dalek-Movellan War, but some sources refer to it as either the 'Movellan-Dalek War' or just the 'Movellan War'. The Dalek Wars are different, that's humanity's name for a series of wars from the 22nd-47th centuries in which Daleks attack Humanity and its allies.
@@dalekbumps I wish they would have made Bill Pots a Dalek for life!
@@edcollins9377 do you mean Clara? Bill was a Cyberman, Clara was a Dalek
@@dalekbumps I wish they would have made Bill a dalek and once he was a dalek, have him stay a Dalek, and not have Heather the Cosmic mermaid rescue Bill. Thus, s/he would remain a Dalek for life! S/he should have remained a Cyberman for life. Today's Dr Who is too goody goody. I remember when Doctor Who used to have a bit of tragedy. Do you remember the infamous episode where the 5th Doctor lost Adric? Adric had so much more to offer humanity than Bill Potts or Clara.. Adric was a true hero and a genius, too.