I hope you enjoyed The Story of the Cybermen! Yes a lot is still missing (including their appearance in A Good Man Goes to War) but from what I could gather, that legion was a part of the Cyber Wars, a topic we may tackle in a future video!
Well that can't be helped, the modern Cybermen have a very convoluted history, are they the lumic versions still? Are they a combination of mondas and lumic Cybermen? The modern series really has made a mess of them in my opinion
Only in Doctor Who can you have the major difference between two planets being one is upside down, and inhabited by lizard people who cybernetic-ally enhance apes who time travel and play it completely straight faced.
It's implied that all Cybermen from Series 6 onwards are from our universe lacking the Cybus Industries logo and instead having the circular designed chest piece. However, it's also implied in Series 7's Nightmare in Silver that the Mondasian and Parallel Earth Cybermen had met one another and allied themselves fighting in the Great Cyber Wars together. So from Series 7 onwards excluding Series 10 we Areias fact seeing both types of Cybermen, a nice tie off for the Parallel Earth Cybermen.
I feel it likely started with the Series 5 and 6 Cybermen, since it wouldn’t make any sense for the Mondasians to somehow invent the exact same design as their Cybus counterparts. Seeing Cybus designs flying Mondasian style starships in Series 5 and 6 makes me think that the Cybus Cybermen met their Mondasian counterparts in the space-time vortex after the events of “The Next Doctor.”
@@Gojirawars03 It does make sense. Mondasians are technically human. Convergent evolution is a thing on our world where different things evolve into the same shape. Earth Humans and Mondasian Humans being basically the same thing the Cyberman shape may just be what shape Mechanized humans will take. Like Ichthyosaurs weren't fish but looked like fish.
It's funny how these "emotionless" beings have a lot of anger and irritability with a strong instinct to survive. You can't really write emotionless, because you need to write a reason for them to live, something to care about.
@@VictorGreinvolfe48 the antagonist having a somewhat relatable motivation or having doubts about his motivation can give a story so much more depth when done right than just having mindless drones as baddies. And the first cybermen are the scariest because they are so obviously part human. The later ones just look like robots When big movies have hordes of drones i dont know anything about i feel nothing during the action
The Cybus Cybermen are without a doubt the best incarnation of the cybermen for me and that’s cos they don’t look like flimsy plastic silvery cheap looking cybermen they look like literal metal men and that iconic stomping they do is amazing and just shows their weight and strength.
The stomping is what I dislike about them most. Technology usually gets quieter and slicker as it improves, so their noise and stiff movements come across as rather silly to me.
I’d disagree. The stomping and “delete” nonsense feel like bad additions to the cyberman lore to me. They were always desperate, slinking and sneaking to survive before that.
@Ricky Gaughen metal is heavy on earth. Some metals are heavier than others. I'd like to think in SciFi land that a civilisation that can build Cybermen has found a way to build "metal" / armour that is light.
Was it a complete coincidence that I watched a Classic Cybermen story, a modern Cybermen story and listened to a Big Finish Cybermen audio yesterday? Yes, it was.
I love this video. It was very informative. Daleks (space Nazis), Cybermen (humans with no feelings), and The Master are the villains that are creepy, but we love it when they appear. I am going to watch this video again!
@@jameslegault9398 Or the cyber woman from Torchwood or the time when that chubby guy with the baby was being converted. It’s dr. Who, the show laughs at canon.
I am sure in one episode they addressed the cybermen being all over the place suggesting that it is an inevitable branch of evolution across many planets.
Correct. There are multiple differrnt subspecies of Cyberman. The original Mondasians Cyberman. The Telosian Cyberman from Tomb of the Cybermen. The CyberFaction from The Invasion. The CyberNomads from Revenge of the Cybermen, and the CyberNeomorphs from Earthshock to Silver Nemesis. Then there's the Parallel Earth Cybermen, and the hybrids in Nightmare in Silver. And now the Galifreyan Cybermen.
Truly! Shame that they keep getting badly used. Even in some of the great stories of the Classic series they were a little off; such as when they are shouty and angry in 'Earthshock'. The weakness to gold was a terrible idea from Holmes, who hated Cybermen, as well; it was better when they were killed by radiation.
I discovered your wonderful channel today. I'm 60 and still a Dr Who addict. It was always my favorite programme as a kid. I found the cybermen terrifying! My parents wouldn't allow me to watch for a time snd I protested so much thry had to give in. I still remember the argument lol!
The girl who played Ace was also terrified of the Cybermen as a kid. Her mother banned her from watching Dr Who because she was getting Cybermen nightmares.
I work in Hollywood. I've had arguments with execs. One was CEO of Warner Bros. They don't know to target an audience and create, They try to please everyone, but end up pleasing nobody.
@@macturner2196 exactly, they need to realise it's better to focus on the fans and if the fans like it, more people will come. A great example of this is the Mandalorian tv show, rather then trying please everyone it tries to give the fans what they want and has seen critical success
@@Steph.98114 Yeah, Dave and Jon have given the fans what they want. What a concept, right? If DW had a young, attractive man, it would do better. Even Paul McGann in an 8th Doctor mini series would do better. That, or REVIST an old face, and have Paul come in. He's still attractive to women, even for his age. But I think 45 and under would be right. Smith was in his 20's. But that would bring back female fans. Boys would want to play with the action figures. It would bring back the success of the old days if they cast Kris Marshall. He is just right for that type of thing. But, he's not getting younger. Anyway, that's my thoughts on WHO. He should be a guy, boys want to be, and girls want to be with.
A design aspect of the Cybus Cybermen, that I feel is often overlooked, is that the faceplate's design was specifically intended to evoke the shape of a skull. It really helps to emphasize the human aspect while still getting to enjoy full cyberization. It's chilling creature design.
I like how doctor who has so much rich history and detail behind it, that is what happens when you have a very flexible show with 50 years of content and many writers, but Gallifrey was done badly, I used to imagine it like Middle Earth from Lord of the Rings, a magical mysterious planet with rich history, but the show handled it badly and made it feel empty and cheap which is why I am glad they destroyed Gallifrey, because it was already ruined and the timecards felt weak, but now we know the doctor is from another mysterious world with proper timecard like beings. Now that new mysterious world doesn't feel boring and empty like Gallifrey, because we know nothing about it, if the show ever explores it, they would have to do it properly or it will be ruined like Gallifrey.
I honestly think the original Tenth Planet are the most terrifying. As cheesy as those gauze-like masks were, it actually worked to humanize them just to enough to really underline the horror of what they did to themselves.
honestly!! but i feel like it was just a bit better in world enough and time. just because we got to witness the genesis of the cybermen,, how they started, how they ended up the way they were, the amount of pain they were in throughout the conversion process. i feel like the fact that we got to see it made it more real
Agreed, the tenth planet and the moonbase designs build into the uncanny, the modern Cybermen feel too mechanical imo, too far removed from humanity to represent the fear of assimilation.
I really loved how they carried over the original Mondasian design into the modern day. A lot of tv series that started in the late 20th century try to make up for the technical limitations of the time by revamping costumes into intricate and updated designs or simply using cgi. The doctor who team was like “you know how the original cybermen looked like guys in fabric costumes with cardboard boxes strapped to their chests? Well that’s how the cybermen look canonically. Here’s one now to prove it.”
Cybermen are scary just like the Daleks. Thank you for the awesome video The Who Addicts. I'm now an addict to your channel. Keep up the awesome content.
Thank you for this wonderful video. I really enjoyed it. I have Autism & can easily get confused & overwhelmed with information, but the complete story of the Cybermen was explained perfectly, so I never felt I was getting confused or overwhelmed.
I personally think though the lone cyber man looks cool half faced human, i think id be more scared if it it was completely cyber, it looks to emotional.
Once again, I have to applaud you for another incredible video. These story of videos are fantastic. No wonder Liv goes on about them in live-streams, they’re just so damn good. Or should I say......... EXCELLENT
The harvesters big finish 7th doctor story, where the cybermen seek to return to the flesh might have warranted a mention here? Also the sword of orion stories?
Great video. My 2¢ is the cybermen are more of an inevitable concept rather than a specific race. Like how carcinisation leads creatures to evolve to crab like beings. Humans in the Whoniverse just end up creating Cybermen sooner or later so snuffing them out is effectively impossible.
i could be wrong here but im pretty sure the mondassian cybermen didn't use inhibitor chips or anything like that but instead just cut off the part of the brain that processes emotions. which is what made the original conversions so dangerous which they show in spare parts.
My favourite moment while watching The invasion on my 4K TV was not just seeing those Cyber-wetsuits, but in a close-up of their feet, seeing that their Cyber-boots were held on by Cyber-laces! I remember the size of TV we had when that was first on, and no-one would have noticed on a TV like that.
They got Cyber-laces again after 'Earthshock'. They have them in 'The Five Doctors' and 'Attack of The Cybermen'. They make sense as if the foot is damaged, it is easier to untie or cut open laces. Though I am not sure how they'd tie them with those big Cyber-hands!
David Bank's *Cybermen* is a pretty goddamn good bible for the timelines up to Varos. Even works after that fact with stuff like Spare Parts and The Doctor Falls slotting into it very neatly
It's videos like this that make you realise how utterly amazing, creative, clever and just mind blowing Dr Who and it's lore is. Great stuff. Great video.
Excellent video, the Cybermen are my third favorite villains after the Master and Davros, although I must confess I like the classic Cybermen way more than the stomping robots of the modern series. Apart from the two parter in series 2 the Cybermen haven't had a proper story in the modern series very much, and their last 3 outings the Master was the screen stealer, I just Hope one day we get a proper story with Cybermen like the mondas ones from the series ten finale, the classics still work..
I love the wheel in space Cybermen. Especially the scene where the second doctor says to Jamie “I’ve got company” then the camera pans to the Cybermen. They may not be the creepiest or the funniest (cough cough earthshock) but the letterbox Cybermen I think are the most cyber-y. They had 3 whole serials which greatly took advantage of the less plastic like look.
The flaw of cybermen is they wish to improve humanity, which is a noble goul but it they "upgrade" humans by force, taking away the one thing that makes humans human. The freedom of choice
Great video! Something I’d be interesting in seeing is you doing a video on all the companions in the series, from the show, audios, comics, and stories. I think it would be really cool.
The obvious tragedy of the Cybermen is that they were probably always Dr Who's most grisly concept, but increasingly sidelined as robots. And there are a mere handful of stories that explore what they actually mean in terms of humanity. But there is still scope. You see it in modern politics and the psychopathy of that. And the inability to design societies around humans rather than machines.
Fantastic episode of "The Story Of" guys!!! Gave me a lot of information I didn't already know (particularly at the beginning of the video about the very start of the Cybermen). 20:35. Lol.😂😂 I'd LOVE to see a Sarah Jane story of. That would be great as I haven't seen much of the classic era and my knowledge is limited.
i loved the design for the cybermen in capaldis last season i loved that they brought back the old design and it really looks creepy with that cloth mask
My favourite villains! The body horror, the creepiness, the communism, the exploration of humanity and emotion. They rarely get utilised properly, but (like Martha) I love them all the same.
You got it there, the cybermen are effectively technological communists. The whole speech from the cyber leader in doomsday about humans being removed of their sex, colour, class and creed, you will become identical, you will become like us. Thats nearly what Marx imagined give or take a Frankenstein idea or two, if the daleks are the fascist nazis/imperial Japan/Italy then the cybermen feel like the soviet union and china in a way, true communism would be the cybermen. Identical and equal save for the commanding leaders or cyber planners/hive mind.
My favourite Cyberman stories: -Spare Parts -World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls -Tomb of the Cybermen -The Haunting of Villa Diodatti, Ascension of the Cybermen and The Timeless Children
@@robertsimpson8292 - it's there, but it's probably unintentional. Think of the Cybermen as the opposite to the Daleks (nazism being the polar opposite to communism.)
@@antcoloniesofearth7295 - yeah, they're bloody brilliant stories. Really unique take on the Cybermen in all of them, except perhaps The Timeless Children, but the idea of Cyberfreyans is something I've been hoping for for a while.
This video was brilliant. Thank you. I've been a Dr Who fan from day one. I have every episode from the first till Jodie, and still downloading. So I have subscribed. Thank you. I was 10 when the first episode aired. Never missed one since
IIRC the Lumic Cybermen were reverse-engineered/re-developed from corpses of the Modasian Cybermen, found by Lumic. Ironically, he improved on the design: Only the brain was used compared to full-body conversion (even through they later did this during the Battle of Canary Wharf and beyond), and he eliminated their weakness to gold.
I thought that the tomb of the cybermen was the first appearance of them on tv with the second doctor?, it’s also lucky that the upgraded ones from the nightmare in silver and all the other episodes after never moved as fast as they did in that one episode ever.
I just realized, the reason he Master calls it the Genesis of the Cybermen in World Enough and Time is likely because the cybermen in the main universe come from that colony ship, especially post-Mondas destruction.
also small tangent, I dont think in World Enough and Time and The Doctor Falls, I don't think the Master upstages the Cybermen. If anything, they're upstaged by the cybermen and are honestly a great addition to the episode.
You forgot a certain moment in A Good Man Goes to War. Rory: "I have a message and a question. A message from the Doctor, and a question from me: Where is my wife?" *Silence* Rory: "Oh don't give me those cold looks. The 12th Cyber Legion hears everything that happens in this region." Cyber Leader: "What is the Doctor's message?" *Cyber Fleet and/or space statinons explode* Rory: "Would you like me to repeat the question?"
Very nice, great work once more! I watched happily until the timeless children were mentioned, at which point i hastily vomited, shut the computer down and assumed the fetal position, weeping quietly while contemplating what an absolute trainwreck my once favorite show has become.
I have a vague memory of reading a doctor who book that called the cyber men a phenomenon thats happened to countless worlds across the universe and said that it’s something ingrained into all living things. I might be completely making this memory up who knows
Yep couldn’t agree with you more, I’ve tried to make a timeline incorporating the audio Big Finish stories with the David Banks timeline. Next to impossible.
Generally I take Banks' as authoritative. It is the only timeline that makes sense. I do think you can make Big Finish fit (at least early ones that were inspired by Banks's timeline), though, when you factor in time travel.
Love the Big Finish audio plays. Spare Parts is a FANTASTIC serial and my favourite 5th Doctor story. I dont actually like the 5th doctor, but this one was just great. Science fiction at it's best.
I've always believed that the 'main' universe Cybermen merged technologies with 'Pete's' universe ones that crossed over. This could explain why the main universe Cybermen look the way they do in the later modern Who era... They are STILL the deadliest foes of the Doctor... The only ones that we could REALLY become! Brrr! Scary!
I believe nightmare in silver comes after all stories as those Cybermen were more powerful than their predecessors and had super speed, therefore the blew up the planet as nothing could stop them. I believe Ascension and TTC come before the Cybermen that appear in Dark Water and Nightmare in Silver is when the Cybermen finally died as we've never seen the versions from that episode which had superspeed and basically invincible. Honestly its all confusing but that's basically how I see it
Small mistake, there was no cyber fleet when the 11th doctor regenerated, it was clearly stated that only the daleks were fighting at that point (i think)
My theory is that the Master will cause the Time Lords' return through his ressurection of them as cyborg slaves. Meaning that they'll escape his influence and restart their civilization .
Is it just me or are the Cybermen more scary than the Daleks? Idk id rather come into contact with a Dalek than the Cybermen 🤣 thank you for your video by the way!
Nightmare in silver is made better if you consider the Srar Trek Crossover comic to be canon. That way the upgrading and nanomachines were stolen from the borg, and the borg stole time travel from Cybermen.
I did like the new sleeker appearance of the cybermen when they appeared in night mere in sliver. I think the lights in the armour look better than what they had before
In 10th Planet, the Cybermen launch an entire fleet from Monday towards Earth before Mondas is destroyed, but it is said to be unable to reach Earth when they are cut off from the power being broadcast to them from Mondas. If I recall correctly, in Silver Nemesis they imply that the fleet in orbit is that very same fleet - with enough power to mask their presence, but not enough to safely land, which is why they want the power of the Nemesis.
Thank you so much for providing me with a much better history and set of timelines for The Cyberman - it is very confusing to follow, but that's what makes them scary because of the unknown parts...
It seems that the Cyberman of the Doctor Who universe have a lot in common with the Vex of the destiny universe mostly because there’s so much fluid in time and like to metal around in time and they’re both robots essentially and they feel no pain or remorse or any emotion in general and are essentially just murder machines hell-bent on survival and the eradication of everything else
I hope you enjoyed The Story of the Cybermen! Yes a lot is still missing (including their appearance in A Good Man Goes to War) but from what I could gather, that legion was a part of the Cyber Wars, a topic we may tackle in a future video!
The Who Addicts love ❤️ it guys!
The Who Addicts maybe the angels next? They are your favorite villain 🦹♂️ Matthew.
Wasn't expecting this until Saturday, glad we get it now!!! 😁😁
Well that can't be helped, the modern Cybermen have a very convoluted history, are they the lumic versions still? Are they a combination of mondas and lumic Cybermen? The modern series really has made a mess of them in my opinion
A!
Only in Doctor Who can you have the major difference between two planets being one is upside down, and inhabited by lizard people who cybernetic-ally enhance apes who time travel and play it completely straight faced.
I know we might as well put monkeys in tin cans; there you go you got your cybermen.
You're going to love the Celestial Toymaker.
Yeah like most of doctor who is just straight up retarded plot wise, great to watch when you are high
In fairness, both planets were inhabited by ''lizard people''.
Earth has lizard people to the only one I actually remember is a lesbian in the 19th century
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says “Cyber...”
I would need a cyber replacement for my liver!
Owain Shebbeare so you would need a cyver
I don't have enough bottles of whisky
We’re screwed
Breaking news: mass deaths are linked to damaged organs by drinking too much alcohol
Dead by minute 4
It's implied that all Cybermen from Series 6 onwards are from our universe lacking the Cybus Industries logo and instead having the circular designed chest piece. However, it's also implied in Series 7's Nightmare in Silver that the Mondasian and Parallel Earth Cybermen had met one another and allied themselves fighting in the Great Cyber Wars together. So from Series 7 onwards excluding Series 10 we Areias fact seeing both types of Cybermen, a nice tie off for the Parallel Earth Cybermen.
I feel it likely started with the Series 5 and 6 Cybermen, since it wouldn’t make any sense for the Mondasians to somehow invent the exact same design as their Cybus counterparts.
Seeing Cybus designs flying Mondasian style starships in Series 5 and 6 makes me think that the Cybus Cybermen met their Mondasian counterparts in the space-time vortex after the events of “The Next Doctor.”
@@Gojirawars03 It does make sense. Mondasians are technically human. Convergent evolution is a thing on our world where different things evolve into the same shape. Earth Humans and Mondasian Humans being basically the same thing the Cyberman shape may just be what shape Mechanized humans will take. Like Ichthyosaurs weren't fish but looked like fish.
I hope someday we see the first interaction between the mondasians and cybusmen
when the daleks met the cybermen, it wasn't war, it was pest control
It's funny how these "emotionless" beings have a lot of anger and irritability with a strong instinct to survive. You can't really write emotionless, because you need to write a reason for them to live, something to care about.
i assume it's more basic programming. They're just computers carrying out what they're programmed to do.
@@galarstar052 that would make them un interesting
@@alphatrion100 depends who you ask. I prefer the more organic mondasian cybermen
@@VictorGreinvolfe48
the antagonist having a somewhat relatable motivation or having doubts about his motivation can give a story so much more depth when done right than just having mindless drones as baddies.
And the first cybermen are the scariest because they are so obviously part human.
The later ones just look like robots
When big movies have hordes of drones i dont know anything about i feel nothing during the action
@@alphatrion100 that’s why I like the more organic ones. They’re still visibly human
To quote Count Dooku from star wars:
"I've been looking forward to this".
The Cybus Cybermen are without a doubt the best incarnation of the cybermen for me and that’s cos they don’t look like flimsy plastic silvery cheap looking cybermen they look like literal metal men and that iconic stomping they do is amazing and just shows their weight and strength.
The stomping is what I dislike about them most. Technology usually gets quieter and slicker as it improves, so their noise and stiff movements come across as rather silly to me.
Most people say the flimsy plastic cybermen are better because they feel more like humans shoved inside a suit rather than normal robots.
I’d disagree. The stomping and “delete” nonsense feel like bad additions to the cyberman lore to me. They were always desperate, slinking and sneaking to survive before that.
Also not a fan of the stomping here. They aren’t robots. It’s a key point that so often gets lost when they are presented in stories.
@Ricky Gaughen metal is heavy on earth. Some metals are heavier than others. I'd like to think in SciFi land that a civilisation that can build Cybermen has found a way to build "metal" / armour that is light.
Was it a complete coincidence that I watched a Classic Cybermen story, a modern Cybermen story and listened to a Big Finish Cybermen audio yesterday? Yes, it was.
Which were they?
If you still remember, yeah, which were they?
I love this video. It was very informative. Daleks (space Nazis), Cybermen (humans with no feelings), and The Master are the villains that are creepy, but we love it when they appear. I am going to watch this video again!
Cyber men are comunists/socialists
DALEKS (space Nazis), Cybermen (space communists), the Master (space tyrant) - all forms of leftists.
Space nazis lmaooo
I never thought of Daleks as Supremacists in space but you are right. They are flipping Conservatives 🤣🤣🤣
I never thought of the Daleks being nazis but that makes sense
I want to see a doctor who episode with the casing removed and it shows a walking corpse.
It's dark but HOLY HELL THAT WOULD BE FREAKY COOL!!!
The cyber men is just a brain in a suit with artificial nerves, haven't you been paying attention?
Edit:not talking about the ones missy created
@@jameslegault9398 Or the cyber woman from Torchwood or the time when that chubby guy with the baby was being converted. It’s dr. Who, the show laughs at canon.
@@Detson404 chubby guy is Craig
series 5 ep 12 the pandorica opens:
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@@jameslegault9398 you’re new to Dr who huh, there is no cannon
I am sure in one episode they addressed the cybermen being all over the place suggesting that it is an inevitable branch of evolution across many planets.
Correct. There are multiple differrnt subspecies of Cyberman.
The original Mondasians Cyberman. The Telosian Cyberman from Tomb of the Cybermen. The CyberFaction from The Invasion. The CyberNomads from Revenge of the Cybermen, and the CyberNeomorphs from Earthshock to Silver Nemesis. Then there's the Parallel Earth Cybermen, and the hybrids in Nightmare in Silver. And now the Galifreyan Cybermen.
@@Nocturnewashere didn’t all of them originate from Mondas until 2006?
Say what you want about the Cybermen, they got some banging good music.
you are correct
The Cybermen are for me the most horrific Doctor Who villain, the true body horror element of them I don’t think has yet to be realised on screen.
Truly! Shame that they keep getting badly used. Even in some of the great stories of the Classic series they were a little off; such as when they are shouty and angry in 'Earthshock'. The weakness to gold was a terrible idea from Holmes, who hated Cybermen, as well; it was better when they were killed by radiation.
They are rather tragic figures, who were taken by force and 'upgraded ' against their wills
literally the weeping angels
I discovered your wonderful channel today. I'm 60 and still a Dr Who addict. It was always my favorite programme as a kid. I found the cybermen terrifying! My parents wouldn't allow me to watch for a time snd I protested so much thry had to give in. I still remember the argument lol!
A real cool boomer you are
The girl who played Ace was also terrified of the Cybermen as a kid. Her mother banned her from watching Dr Who because she was getting Cybermen nightmares.
What was the argument?
You won the battle my friend
Imagine if Who Addicts wrote Doctor Who stories for BBC. 👌👌👌
I work in Hollywood. I've had arguments with execs. One was CEO of Warner Bros.
They don't know to target an audience and create, They try to please everyone, but end up pleasing nobody.
@@macturner2196 exactly, they need to realise it's better to focus on the fans and if the fans like it, more people will come. A great example of this is the Mandalorian tv show, rather then trying please everyone it tries to give the fans what they want and has seen critical success
@@Steph.98114 Yeah, Dave and Jon have given the fans what they want. What a concept, right? If DW had a young, attractive man, it would do better. Even Paul McGann in an 8th Doctor mini series would do better. That, or REVIST an old face, and have Paul come in. He's still attractive to women, even for his age.
But I think 45 and under would be right. Smith was in his 20's.
But that would bring back female fans. Boys would want to play with the action figures. It would bring back the success of the old days if they cast Kris Marshall. He is just right for that type of thing. But, he's not getting younger. Anyway, that's my thoughts on WHO. He should be a guy, boys want to be, and girls want to be with.
@SoapCanMan who
@SoapCanMan even fugitive outshined despite the issues.
A design aspect of the Cybus Cybermen, that I feel is often overlooked, is that the faceplate's design was specifically intended to evoke the shape of a skull. It really helps to emphasize the human aspect while still getting to enjoy full cyberization. It's chilling creature design.
This feels like a movie specially with the music
I like how doctor who has so much rich history and detail behind it, that is what happens when you have a very flexible show with 50 years of content and many writers, but Gallifrey was done badly, I used to imagine it like Middle Earth from Lord of the Rings, a magical mysterious planet with rich history, but the show handled it badly and made it feel empty and cheap which is why I am glad they destroyed Gallifrey, because it was already ruined and the timecards felt weak, but now we know the doctor is from another mysterious world with proper timecard like beings. Now that new mysterious world doesn't feel boring and empty like Gallifrey, because we know nothing about it, if the show ever explores it, they would have to do it properly or it will be ruined like Gallifrey.
I dont really know why but the original modasian cybermen absolutely terrify me for some reason
I honestly think the original Tenth Planet are the most terrifying. As cheesy as those gauze-like masks were, it actually worked to humanize them just to enough to really underline the horror of what they did to themselves.
honestly!! but i feel like it was just a bit better in world enough and time. just because we got to witness the genesis of the cybermen,, how they started, how they ended up the way they were, the amount of pain they were in throughout the conversion process. i feel like the fact that we got to see it made it more real
Agreed, the tenth planet and the moonbase designs build into the uncanny, the modern Cybermen feel too mechanical imo, too far removed from humanity to represent the fear of assimilation.
I actually think gauze masks are creepier than the metal ones. Makes it look more medical like and surgical. Which emphazises the body horror
You should do the complete story of Rassilon or the timelords
I really loved how they carried over the original Mondasian design into the modern day. A lot of tv series that started in the late 20th century try to make up for the technical limitations of the time by revamping costumes into intricate and updated designs or simply using cgi. The doctor who team was like “you know how the original cybermen looked like guys in fabric costumes with cardboard boxes strapped to their chests? Well that’s how the cybermen look canonically. Here’s one now to prove it.”
It's a story as old as time.
Doctor meets cyberman.
Doctor defeats cyberman.
Doctor loses cyberman.
Doctor meets cybermen again.
The Cybermen were invented by my late great uncle Kit Pedler I believe. A man of vision.
Yes, along with Gerry Davis. Your uncle came up with the race with the best concept in DW!
Cool!
Cybermen are scary just like the Daleks. Thank you for the awesome video The Who Addicts. I'm now an addict to your channel. Keep up the awesome content.
Hi Angelica
@@captainshenanigans5385 Hey Captain Shenanigans
Thank you for this wonderful video. I really enjoyed it. I have Autism & can easily get confused & overwhelmed with information, but the complete story of the Cybermen was explained perfectly, so I never felt I was getting confused or overwhelmed.
Your 'Complete Story..." series is very well made and fascinating. Thank you!
Thank you so much! I put a lot of effort into them so that means a lot
My favourites are the Mondasian Cybermen (the ones Capaldi’s doctor encounters on the colony ship) and the Cybus Cybermen
The Cybermen wonderful! I'm 58 and I remember hiding behind the sofa as a little girl.
From the tenth planet?
I personally think though the lone cyber man looks cool half faced human, i think id be more scared if it it was completely cyber, it looks to emotional.
I liked the lone Cyberman but I agree, I think it is because he had emotions, he looked like an evil guy in a cyber suit a not a walking zombie.
The only thing i really liked about him was how his armor looked like an amalgamation of different cyber designs
bruh thats its gimmick
Once again, I have to applaud you for another incredible video. These story of videos are fantastic. No wonder Liv goes on about them in live-streams, they’re just so damn good. Or should I say.........
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The harvesters big finish 7th doctor story, where the cybermen seek to return to the flesh might have warranted a mention here? Also the sword of orion stories?
Great video.
My 2¢ is the cybermen are more of an inevitable concept rather than a specific race.
Like how carcinisation leads creatures to evolve to crab like beings. Humans in the Whoniverse just end up creating Cybermen sooner or later so snuffing them out is effectively impossible.
i could be wrong here but im pretty sure the mondassian cybermen didn't use inhibitor chips or anything like that but instead just cut off the part of the brain that processes emotions. which is what made the original conversions so dangerous which they show in spare parts.
My favourite moment while watching The invasion on my 4K TV was not just seeing those Cyber-wetsuits, but in a close-up of their feet, seeing that their Cyber-boots were held on by Cyber-laces! I remember the size of TV we had when that was first on, and no-one would have noticed on a TV like that.
They got Cyber-laces again after 'Earthshock'. They have them in 'The Five Doctors' and 'Attack of The Cybermen'. They make sense as if the foot is damaged, it is easier to untie or cut open laces. Though I am not sure how they'd tie them with those big Cyber-hands!
David Bank's *Cybermen* is a pretty goddamn good bible for the timelines up to Varos. Even works after that fact with stuff like Spare Parts and The Doctor Falls slotting into it very neatly
Indeed. David Banks's work works beautifully and the makers of DW should use it as a bible along with 'The Terrestrial Index' by Jean-Marc Lofficier.
It's videos like this that make you realise how utterly amazing, creative, clever and just mind blowing Dr Who and it's lore is. Great stuff. Great video.
Excellent video, the Cybermen are my third favorite villains after the Master and Davros, although I must confess I like the classic Cybermen way more than the stomping robots of the modern series. Apart from the two parter in series 2 the Cybermen haven't had a proper story in the modern series very much, and their last 3 outings the Master was the screen stealer, I just Hope one day we get a proper story with Cybermen like the mondas ones from the series ten finale, the classics still work..
The Master always makes an Alliance with another species, the Cybermen are just the most interesting for him to team-up with.
@@nightowl8477 interesting yes but the Cybermen become sidelined and forgettable which Cybermen should never be
I love the wheel in space Cybermen. Especially the scene where the second doctor says to Jamie “I’ve got company” then the camera pans to the Cybermen. They may not be the creepiest or the funniest (cough cough earthshock) but the letterbox Cybermen I think are the most cyber-y. They had 3 whole serials which greatly took advantage of the less plastic like look.
That one episode that showed us the first cybermen was crazy and the best
The flaw of cybermen is they wish to improve humanity, which is a noble goul but it they "upgrade" humans by force, taking away the one thing that makes humans human. The freedom of choice
Great video! Something I’d be interesting in seeing is you doing a video on all the companions in the series, from the show, audios, comics, and stories. I think it would be really cool.
The obvious tragedy of the Cybermen is that they were probably always Dr Who's most grisly concept, but increasingly sidelined as robots. And there are a mere handful of stories that explore what they actually mean in terms of humanity. But there is still scope. You see it in modern politics and the psychopathy of that. And the inability to design societies around humans rather than machines.
There was also that race of cybermen in The War Master that Cole started who fought in the time war but got wiped out of history.
Fantastic episode of "The Story Of" guys!!! Gave me a lot of information I didn't already know (particularly at the beginning of the video about the very start of the Cybermen). 20:35. Lol.😂😂
I'd LOVE to see a Sarah Jane story of. That would be great as I haven't seen much of the classic era and my knowledge is limited.
Great Video five thumbs up
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Request:Can you do U.N.I.T. Next
i loved the design for the cybermen in capaldis last season
i loved that they brought back the old design and it really looks creepy with that cloth mask
My favourite villains! The body horror, the creepiness, the communism, the exploration of humanity and emotion. They rarely get utilised properly, but (like Martha) I love them all the same.
You got it there, the cybermen are effectively technological communists. The whole speech from the cyber leader in doomsday about humans being removed of their sex, colour, class and creed, you will become identical, you will become like us. Thats nearly what Marx imagined give or take a Frankenstein idea or two, if the daleks are the fascist nazis/imperial Japan/Italy then the cybermen feel like the soviet union and china in a way, true communism would be the cybermen. Identical and equal save for the commanding leaders or cyber planners/hive mind.
My favourite Cyberman stories:
-Spare Parts
-World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
-Tomb of the Cybermen
-The Haunting of Villa Diodatti, Ascension of the Cybermen and The Timeless Children
I really don't see much parallel to communism
@@robertsimpson8292 - it's there, but it's probably unintentional.
Think of the Cybermen as the opposite to the Daleks (nazism being the polar opposite to communism.)
@@antcoloniesofearth7295 - yeah, they're bloody brilliant stories. Really unique take on the Cybermen in all of them, except perhaps The Timeless Children, but the idea of Cyberfreyans is something I've been hoping for for a while.
Say what ya want about the timeless child but the cyber masters were amazing! I loved the concept and design, gave me goosebumps
This video was brilliant. Thank you. I've been a Dr Who fan from day one. I have every episode from the first till Jodie, and still downloading. So I have subscribed. Thank you. I was 10 when the first episode aired. Never missed one since
IIRC the Lumic Cybermen were reverse-engineered/re-developed from corpses of the Modasian Cybermen, found by Lumic.
Ironically, he improved on the design: Only the brain was used compared to full-body conversion (even through they later did this during the Battle of Canary Wharf and beyond), and he eliminated their weakness to gold.
These guys were always the most terrifying doctor who villains to me when I was younger.
I thought that the tomb of the cybermen was the first appearance of them on tv with the second doctor?, it’s also lucky that the upgraded ones from the nightmare in silver and all the other episodes after never moved as fast as they did in that one episode ever.
Tenth Planet with the 1st Doctor and Moonbase with 2 are the first 2 appearances of The Cybermen.
Moonbase is half lost, though, so Tomb is the first fully surviving 2nd Doctor Cyberman story.
Man, the Cybermen have a bad case of Power Creep. Now there's Time Lord Cybermen? Come on man.
The Cybermen with the brain windows still creep me out to this day (Just imagine being able to see your brain)
I don't know if you mentioned if but the Cybermen's cameo in the Five Doctors is probably worth including.
The little things near the cybermen’s eye look a bit like tears i just noticed that
The cyber men are an amazing doctor who villain
The troughton era had the scariest cybermen in my opinion
Yeah
I was cybermen crazy in the 70s, still am. Best cybermen ever were with Tom Baker in 1975 era
I just realized, the reason he Master calls it the Genesis of the Cybermen in World Enough and Time is likely because the cybermen in the main universe come from that colony ship, especially post-Mondas destruction.
also small tangent, I dont think in World Enough and Time and The Doctor Falls, I don't think the Master upstages the Cybermen. If anything, they're upstaged by the cybermen and are honestly a great addition to the episode.
Biography of k9 anybody? I feel like it would be a lovely light-hearted adventure
spare parts is one of the greatest pieces of work ever written in who lore. very emotional and scary which is a big deal for an audio story.
"UPGRADE OR BE DELETED"-a cyberman
I always thought that the parallel universe cybermen joined forces with the normal cybermen and that's why there designs are similar in later seasons.
I like the theory of the mondasian colony ship cybermen being the origin of the cybermen as that implies it all came down to the master again
The cybermen are my favourite dw villains
Same
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International Electromatics... Tobias Vaughn... The Invasion... St Paul's steps... What an iconic image...
I wish that, when they revived Doctor Who in 2005, they had just started over with a new First Doctor.
You forgot a certain moment in A Good Man Goes to War.
Rory: "I have a message and a question. A message from the Doctor, and a question from me: Where is my wife?"
*Silence*
Rory: "Oh don't give me those cold looks. The 12th Cyber Legion hears everything that happens in this region."
Cyber Leader: "What is the Doctor's message?"
*Cyber Fleet and/or space statinons explode*
Rory: "Would you like me to repeat the question?"
Very nice, great work once more! I watched happily until the timeless children were mentioned, at which point i hastily vomited, shut the computer down and assumed the fetal position, weeping quietly while contemplating what an absolute trainwreck my once favorite show has become.
I have a vague memory of reading a doctor who book that called the cyber men a phenomenon thats happened to countless worlds across the universe and said that it’s something ingrained into all living things. I might be completely making this memory up who knows
Yep couldn’t agree with you more, I’ve tried to make a timeline incorporating the audio Big Finish stories with the David Banks timeline. Next to impossible.
Generally I take Banks' as authoritative. It is the only timeline that makes sense.
I do think you can make Big Finish fit (at least early ones that were inspired by Banks's timeline), though, when you factor in time travel.
Thanks, just rewatching this, what a resource!
This is a brilliant video. Keep it up dude, you're on your way to gaining even more subs!
Maybe do a video on a classic villain, Sutekh
confusion started in the beginning of video with ape vs reptiles. But it a great video and so much still to clear up, keep up the good work!
Love the Big Finish audio plays. Spare Parts is a FANTASTIC serial and my favourite 5th Doctor story. I dont actually like the 5th doctor, but this one was just great. Science fiction at it's best.
17:10 can we all just acknowledge how utterly uffed up this is ?
I've always believed that the 'main' universe Cybermen merged technologies with 'Pete's' universe ones that crossed over. This could explain why the main universe Cybermen look the way they do in the later modern Who era... They are STILL the deadliest foes of the Doctor... The only ones that we could REALLY become! Brrr! Scary!
The Cyber men, was the only Dr who monsters that scared me in the 60s
Ascension of the Cybermen comes before Nightmare in Silver, doesn't it?
I believe nightmare in silver comes after all stories as those Cybermen were more powerful than their predecessors and had super speed, therefore the blew up the planet as nothing could stop them. I believe Ascension and TTC come before the Cybermen that appear in Dark Water and Nightmare in Silver is when the Cybermen finally died as we've never seen the versions from that episode which had superspeed and basically invincible. Honestly its all confusing but that's basically how I see it
Some very good points made here...Plus those few, As yourself, Who mentioned material from David Banks "Excellent!" Cybermen book.
Small mistake, there was no cyber fleet when the 11th doctor regenerated, it was clearly stated that only the daleks were fighting at that point (i think)
My theory is that the Master will cause the Time Lords' return through his ressurection of them as cyborg slaves. Meaning that they'll escape his influence and restart their civilization .
The old rusty normal cybermen looked so cool and they always survive .
These stories are so convoluted that I literally lose track of what was happening like 5 minutes into this video.
Is it just me or are the Cybermen more scary than the Daleks? Idk id rather come into contact with a Dalek than the Cybermen 🤣 thank you for your video by the way!
Dying would be much preferred to having my head cut open WHILE IM ALIVE AND AWAKE and living the rest of my days a robot zombie.
Well cybermen are certainly more able to deal with stairs…
@@bob_the_bomb4508darleks have been shown to have the ability to fly so stairs mean nothing to those crazy flying disco trash cans.
@@pikachufantastic they had to retcon the flying ability after the famous Birkett cartoon “well this buggers our plan to conquer the universe…”
@@bob_the_bomb4508 oh I didn't know that little bit, cool bit of information thanks for sharing.
Anyone think the cyber men are the third most creepiest doctor who villain
I think they are the #1 best doctor who villains!!
Yeah they’re my personal favourite
Who are number 1 and 2?
#2 the daleks
Honourable mention the silence
#1 weeping angels
Thank you for this amazing video I love cybermen so much. Your content is fantaic keep up the amazing work x
Nightmare in silver is made better if you consider the Srar Trek Crossover comic to be canon. That way the upgrading and nanomachines were stolen from the borg, and the borg stole time travel from Cybermen.
I did like the new sleeker appearance of the cybermen when they appeared in night mere in sliver. I think the lights in the armour look better than what they had before
revenge of the cyberman is apparently the furthest point in the cyberman timeline so far
In 10th Planet, the Cybermen launch an entire fleet from Monday towards Earth before Mondas is destroyed, but it is said to be unable to reach Earth when they are cut off from the power being broadcast to them from Mondas.
If I recall correctly, in Silver Nemesis they imply that the fleet in orbit is that very same fleet - with enough power to mask their presence, but not enough to safely land, which is why they want the power of the Nemesis.
Thank you so much for providing me with a much better history and set of timelines for The Cyberman - it is very confusing to follow, but that's what makes them scary because of the unknown parts...
You're welcome :)
@@thewhoaddicts I shared the heck out of this lol
question.. why were the dead bodies of the time lords not able to regenerate, but the cybermen were able to?
It seems that the Cyberman of the Doctor Who universe have a lot in common with the Vex of the destiny universe mostly because there’s so much fluid in time and like to metal around in time and they’re both robots essentially and they feel no pain or remorse or any emotion in general and are essentially just murder machines hell-bent on survival and the eradication of everything else
The Vex seem to be insired by the Cybermen! They are even more like the Necrons from Warhammer 40K though, another Cyber-clone.
Cybermen marching down the street in 2020 wouldn't surprise me
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I see you also added the fan fiction at the end
Nicely done! Interesting information all through out. Good work