You make a good point but it might not make a difference. As when The Doctor and Donna are in that library atrium; that shadow was in direct sunlight regardless. Good joke though.
I think what’s supposed to be the scariest thing is that they weren’t evil; they were just average scared people. And that made them capable of anything.
@@MatthewsStopMotions perhaps the episodes were good, but only by comparison to 13's other ones. The idea of the timeless child makes the doctor no longer special.
You misspelled Steven Moffat. He hand-picked Chibnall. They discussed exactly what was going to happen. Moffatt is the one who literally altered multiple significant moments in the doctor's history by writing Clara into a retcon of those moments to shift the best parts of the doctor as having comes directly from Clara... Moffatt is the one who decided that the next regeneration would be female, and that the history of the character should shift towards a completely female perspective. But he knew that whoever was showrunner for that was going to get a ton of criticism and if there's one thing Moffet can't stand, it's criticism.
@@galenli6402 only because we first saw her as a 'companion' (of sorts?). She was the thing in the space suit when she was first introduced by her perspective (bloody timey wimey stuff, gets all confusing), and the space suit was a villian
If we followed the timeline from River’s view rather than the doctor’s, the story would have been a lot different and a lot sadder as we watch the doctor know her less and less
Ronald Marcano The Master, The Cybermen, Sontarans, Autons, Ice Warriors While it is true that the Daleks cause the most harm. I just thought that you said the Daleks always come back and that being exclusive to them.
I would argue that the Vasta Nerada aren't actually villains, they are a swarm of microscopic predators who got stuck in the library when their forest got turned into books. The same with the "stingrays", they are simply animals, highly armored, airborne, and voraciously predatory animals, but still animals. Neither are really evil, they simply are, and the doctor was able to reason with the Vasta Nerada, allowing him and the remaining companions to leave the library unharmed.
Sadly a detail a lot of people miss these days antagonist(an issue corporal or not that a character must surpass) is different from villain(a character with evil intentions).
Does the Vashta Nerada's sapience qualify them for evil, though? If they can read about and bargain with the Doctor, that suggests they have the capacity to understand the effects of their actions. If they still don't count as villains because they're carnivorous and predation is in their nature, what about Daleks who are genetically engineered to be driven by hatred? Where to draw the line?
@@AstraIVagabond The difference is in motivation. The Vashta Nerada usually predate small non sapient animals, as the doctor points out. Their choice was to start eating people or to starve. That is not evil, that is desperation. Had they been evil, the doctor would not been able to bargain with them as he did.
"Don't play games with me! You just killed someone I like, that is not a safe place to stand! I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the Universe. Look me up." :)
3:23 Technically the lone angel only got Rory by surprise. Amy decided that her life wasn't worth living without Rory so she decided to let the angel take her and hope she and Rory were together
I think the Reapers from _Father's Day_ deserve to be on this list. The Doctor had no way to beat them legitimately, and they actually ended up killing him - not forcing him to regenerate, actually killing him. The only way that the day was 'saved' in the end was by Pete sacrificing himself in order to end the paradox, which reset the timeline and restored all those killed by the Reapers.
@@joshcain_ The Reapers are honestly one of my favorite _Doctor Who_ creatures. They're fascinating to look at, completely impossible to kill, and just a brilliant concept. Also, did you know that the sound they make is based on a vulture's cry? The sound team took a vulture's screech and altered it, and I think that works wonderfully for the concept of creatures that live within the time vortex and appear to cleanse paradoxes.
I think the midnight entity was the villain that the doctor truly feared. He always has his voice and mind which is his greatest weapon. But it took them away while first having caused massive tension between everyone. All by just repeating. When Donna repeated after the doctor at the end you could see the horror and fear in the doctors eyes. He didn’t know what it was and it probably isn’t dead seeing as it was surviving out there before hand
I guess it died after posessing Sky and getting sucked outside. Maybe by taken over a body, it is vurnebale now, you know ? Maybe that shade of the ?Devil? who get sucked in the Satan Pit into the black hole, still lives and has now many shades across the universe, cause he was shredded to many pieces by the hole. Now he tries to become one again by searching for all of his parts. Maybe bit was cause of that resistent against the heat outside on Midnight. Maybe it was attracted cause of that by fear and used that to get the upper hand in that episode. Also when Sky smiled evil it reminded me of Toby. Something is fishy, maybe they really did this but changed afterwards the idea to reveal the entity as part of the devil from before. Maybe a cut out scene exists were it gets revealed. But if not, still maybe it died by sucking out while inside of a human body, when the posessed human dies, it dies maybe too. Why it didn't still tried to attack them again if it is still outside and living? They waited after that at the same spot until rescue arrives. Maybe it still lives and decided to let them be, cause it is planing something different as next or it died.
Preceyese Seyeght it’s a cool theory but I’m pretty sure it lives. It’s why the doctor said to move the leisure place somewhere else. If it can survive out there before hand then it can survive again. It didn’t need a physical form to enter. It’s definitely a cool mystery
The midnight entity is one of my favorite doctor who creatures, because it is one of the only things the doctor was really afraid of. The actual fear in his eyes and that he felt you could feel too, since it was an entity no one had really seen before in who. And the fact he got afraid on Donna repeating him means he knows that creature was probably still out there, meaning it could take someone again, and again, and again.
I love how Dalek Kahn could see the future and wanted the Doctor to end Dalek kind, but failed to mention they would show up again in just a few months.
Still can't get over the statues look when it took out Amy and Rory. Just, nothing. Not a snarl, not a look of anger. Nothing. Like a man who has lost everything. The one thing I love about this show, is even the most evil creatures are humanized in some sense. This Angel just lost it's entire race. It had just lost everything.
I watched that episode 2 days ago again. That episode is one of the best doctor who episodes. Matt Smith’s acting when Amy and Rory jumped off Winter Quay was incredible! He was just *devastated* when it happened. I would like more episodes like this. Too bad they ended the show. (In my opinion) The last episode of Doctor Who was such a disappointment. Who else agrees?
@@jameslikesstrangerthingsan37 David Tennant was my favourite doctor and for lot of other people, Matt Smith was strange at first but quckly become a very good doctor too, for Peter Capaldi i had to get used to an old doctor but i was able to and he got some good episode too,but that women........Jodie Whittaker......i watched a few episode with her then i stopped. I so badly wanted her to be at least an ok doctor, but no, for me the show ended there. I hoped we get a new doctor after 1 season, but no. Im waiting for the next doctor and i will start to watch again from there or force myself trough previous seasons, dont know yet. I hope they can get a better writer and a better doctor.
@@danthemeegs8751 Spitfires in space fighting dinosaurs on a spaceship? Fires in the near-vacuum, CO2 atmosphere of Mars? Moffat's got lazy or self-indulgent. The current series actually stopped me from watching, something that hasn't happened since Sylvester MacCoy.
@@eliberdugo3121 Ah, yes, you're right - they're Gattis and Russel. It threw me that Moffat was defending some of the quirks with "it must have somehow..."
I’d argue Micheal Grade was worse. Putting the Show on hiatus, Halving the episode amount when it did come back and ultimately firing Colin Baker simply because he didn’t like him.
WackyWAA ! Nope. Chibnall has ruined the show And it kinda needs to go on hiatus to get a restart Also the last couple of series need to be written out of continuity
Speedy Quick Has Chris Chibnall fired Anyone just because he didn’t like them? No. Did he try to cancel Doctor who for many and many years? No Yes Chibnalls era is bad (my least favourite era of the entire show) but he is NO WHERE NEAR as bad as the Twat known as Micheal Grade
The reapers were quite a terrifying enemy. The doctor was even eaten by one of them. The doctor himself said that nothing in the universe could stop them and only appear during a time paradox, rose saving her dad. If I remember right the only thing that could stop them was rose dad killing himself reversing the paradox. The doctor didn’t beat them though.
A villain the doctor didn't defeat? "Harriet Jones, Former Prime Minister." "Yes, we know who you are." Not a villain but I still found that running gag hilarious.
I was going to add the Master in here. He/she may never win, but they do keep returning, even when the viewer thinks they died. I mean... how did the Master survive stabbing themselves on a ship full of Cybermen? It's a conundrum.
The Cybermen. They fall into a similar category to the Daleks, where yes, the Doctor can defeat individual encounters, but the fact that they are an inevitability where ever humans reside means that they can never be truly defeated.
"We are entombed, but we live on. This is only the beginning. We will prepare. We will grow stronger. When the time is right, we will emerge and take our rightful place as the supreme power of the UNIVERSE!"
so the question is what is his name right? i wonder if they have an actusl plot on that. like something passed from generations of directors. that would be nice.
I know he ended up tricking them but I always liked how the weeping angles initially defeated the doctor in blink, sending him and Martha back in time to kickstart Sally’s journey.
What about the Raven from Face The Raven in Series 9? I remember the doctor saying “you could run to the end of the universe and it would still catch you” and there was also nothing he could do to stop it inevitably killing Clara. I found that episode creepy.
4. Wasn’t it said that the swarm would “start again” (meaning get faster and faster until they generate a new portal?) but the doctor said he would shift it to uninhabited worlds? Technically not defeating them but helping them
That definitely sounds like something the Doctor would do. The swarm couldn't really help it. They're just eating, so if he sends them to uninhabited planets, they can eat without hurting another species
Now I could be remembering wrong here, but I think I remember a line where the Doctor says that if they are unable to jump to the next planet they will die, because they need to keep consuming at a rapid rate. So leaving them there would kill them and hence actually would have defeated them. BUT since he's kind he did what you said and shifted it to uninhabited worlds because he didn't want them to die since they weren't technically evil. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I feel I have a distinct memory of that line.
"Winning? Is that what you think it’s about? I’m not trying to win. I’m not doing this because I want to beat someone, or because I hate someone, or because I want to blame someone. It’s not because it’s fun. God knows it’s not because it’s easy. It’s not even because it works because it hardly ever does.. I DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE IT’S RIGHT! Because it’s decent! And above all, it’s kind! It’s just that.. Just kind. If I run away today, good people will die. If I stand and fight, some of them might live. Maybe not many, maybe not for long. Hey, you know, maybe there’s no point to any of this at all. But it’s the best I can do. So I’m going to do it. And I will stand here doing it until it kills me. And you’re going to die too! Some day.. And how will that be? Have you thought about it? What would you die for? Who I am is where I stand.. Where I stand is where I fall. Stand with me. These people are terrified. Maybe we can help a little. Why not, just at the end, just be kind?” - The Doctor
"Why not, just at the end, just be kind?" Simple, because humanity is not kind. Since we walked across the continents we have killed, for food, for sport, for pleasure, to stop others. We are the cruelest animals on this forsaken rock and in the 200,000 years modern humans have roamed we are the most vindictive and vicious.
Honourable mention to the water zombies, who you could say he defeated but not really because almost everyone died and adelaide blew up the base, killing herself.
Bruh remember that ep when the doctor was trapped in a castle for 100s of years being chased by a shadow creature slowly and he had to dig through a diamond wall meters thick for hundreds of years dying over and over from the creature but then being brought back to life.
Oh, so when you say "Defeat," you actually mean "Didn't completely obliterate." By that logic, there are no winners in football until they've executed the other teams...
К тому же, Доктор никогда не убивал их полностью в том числе из-за ненависти к геноциду In addition, the Doctor never killed them completely, including because of hatred of genocide
Only if his redefinition of "villain" is as loose as his personal interpretation of "defeat." Which it is, seeing as survival instinct is such a heinous crime. Silver medalists are toast.
The Cybermen in the Season 10 finale. Despite having stopped their forces on one floor, Nardol said that the Cybermen were still at the bottom of the ship and were just waiting for a new approach. His regeneration was triggered and the fates of the humans on board the ship are sealed of either running for the rest of their lives or the Cybermen catching up with them.
David Troughton, Patrick's son, was the elderly scholar in Midnight. He also played soldier many years ago in the Second Doctor finale, War Games. Just throwing in a bit of trivia. I think he was also in the Peter Davison comedy "The Five Doctors Reboot."
I think only one episode of Doctor who has actually scared me which I believe is called midnight because the acting was amazing and the people panicking seemed genuinely real to me and I think the woman who played sky was amazing the way she looked at them with her creepy ass eyes and even the way it scared the doctor at the end it was really good
Nobody hates The Doctor more than himself, it's how 11 knew who the Dream Lord was. 6 beleived The Master when he said he was an evil future Doctor but even if he didn't The Doctor could have figured it out from Valeyard's insults or did he not become self loathing until after the Time War? .
@@thisiscerysr4515 Very true in fact 9 and 10 were very obvious with the self loathing. The Dream Lord could've been considered the beginning of the Valeyard or at least a introductory manifestation. The real question is since the Master himself said that the Valeyard was an amalgam of his darkness between the 10th and final regenerations. Where does the Valeyard truly begin?
Definitely a very polarizing episode, put yourself in the place of the passengers what would you do, put yourself in the role of the Doctor what DO you do, role of the stewardess (who was in on a lot of the episode)while you know what she did could you do it, WOULD you do it?. Easily one of my favs
@@tardiskeeper6 I've never played any "Doctor Who" game. I don't know anything about the expanded universe like books or comics except Torchwood, and just the TV series, not the comic. I'm afraid I'm a regular fan of several things, not a huge fan of one topic.
@LT. Simon Riley Maybe not the episode (althoug I love it), but my favorite scene ever in TV or cinema is Peter Capaldi's Doctor trying to convince a zygon not starting a war and a human not to commit a genocide in "The Zygon Inversion" episode. The whole scene is awsome. Awsome doctor too.
hot head 93 Does gaming Really? That’s surprising. A lot of people think it’s one of the weaker Missing Stories. I think it’s good but it’s not at the top of my list. Marco Polo, Mission to the Unknown, The Daleks’ Master Plan, Power of the Daleks, Evil of the Daleks & Fury from the Deep are at the top of my list
Something I've never understood with the Weeping Angles, is why no-one ever even tries to destroy them a sledgehammer. Like you can kill basically everything if you take a sledgehammer and just smash it to bits. Unless they can somehow piece themselves back together, they're gone, especially because when you're looking at them they're stone.
Man, I really wish the weeping angels were in more episodes. They are such a great villain. They are horrifying, the music is always great, they have a great defense that is impossible to beat (cuz if they get damaged they can repair themselves), and the actors who play the angels are always amazing
I think the biggest monster the Doctor could never defeat... is itself. It has been made apparent through several storylines during NuWho, as well as a few select storylines from Classic Who, that the Doctor himself is a Monster. Storylines like the Pandorica, the Waters of Mars, The Family of Blood, the Timeles Child, and the various court cases of the Second, Sixth (and possibly fourth but I can't remember) highlight that the Doctor itself is ruthless. While The Doctor (most of the time) has good intentions, very bad things have resulted from it. The Doctor has been responsible for several other monsters as well - notably the Toclofane and the Master in Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords (in helping the rocket to fly and his part in reawakening the Master); the Gelth (in allowing them through the rift); and the Daleks (by not leaving Davros when he was a child, even with full knowledge not only of the Daleks, but of his own actions with the usage of the moment - which he still partly believed happened at the time - and yes, leaving Davros to die would also have made him a bit of a Monster). The most notable monstrous event of the Doctor's however, is the Timeless Child. The Doctor/Timeless Child is responsible for the Time Lords of Gallifrey, who really, up until their defeat, were essentially dictators. They 'ruled' the universe by watching over the timelines, vowed not to intefere yet broke this promise to keep their version of the ideal amount of peace. The Time Lords - and all Gallifreyans - have been responsible for a number of calamitous events, including driving the Master insane by sending a signal through the Time Vortex through the Untempered Schism when the Master was 8, and with their oligarchal-at-best high court, which doesn't seem to ever have any of a say, and it is solely up to the Lord President to decide due to his magic gauntlet. Now, yes, the Doctor didn't intentionally create Time Lords (as far as we know but there's still time for Chibnall to make this worse), but the Doctor was directly responsible for them.
Theres one more villain: The Master Edit: Also!!! In the Episode The Almost People, he died saving everyone from The Flesh and his copy "became" him and was seen to be the original thing
I don't think he can. He mentions that the Cybermen will always be part of humanity's evolution and they will always show up (something like that). He would have to kill off the human race to stop them. But you are right as well.
@@aaronwackenhut2216 Yeah. Even if he would kill every cyberman in the Galaxy. Someday a human race would create something similar to upgrade their human bodys. He could spend all of his remaining regenerations just killing of cyberman in every timeline possible and there would be still some left who would replicate themselves. He can defend the humans against the aliens but not the humans against the humans .
id argue that the vasta nerada were just as scared of the doctor as he was of them. the moment he said look me up they backed off. oh shit this guy could possibly kill us. ok truce.
They don't starve, they eat everything. People, buildings, flora... they didn't need inhabited planets to feed on, just planets in general. So in the end he didn't starve them, he just re-routed them to where they could survive whilst doing the least amount of damage.
DanTheMeegs he probably threw in his own opinion. There is something called ad libbing. He isn’t going to just say someone else’s opinion, the list will be scripted but his opinions probably aren’t lol
I love things like this as I always think that the doctor doesn't kill some of his enemies because he is being kind. Like how he gave the family of blood a chance but eventually they pushed him to far and he had no choice but to "get rid" of them
Honorable mentions: The Reapers The Flood, The Beast, The Cybermen as they always survive, the 456, Sutekh, Rassilon in many ways despite him being defeated in convenient circumstances a couple times
I'd debate adding the 456 since the Doctor never encountered them, that was all TW. If we include all parts of the Whoniverse, we'd also have to include the Families (thwarted sure, but you know they'd be back if there was more TW) and the Trickster from SJA, another case of foiled but never truly defeated.
The one villain he can never beat is the Master, although thought to be dead after her defeat at her own hands, she reappears 2 seasons later and causes more problems for the Doctor, due to the dynamics of their relationship, they may still be friends but she is still none the less a villain and the Doctor would never directly kill his oldest friend
The master keeps on coming back. The third doctor defeated him every time for his first season, but he kept on escaping and coming back. Again and again.
I liked it too! :D It was one of the many Dr Who episodes that there isn't always good and evil, just opposite sides... and the warrior was fine with peace because there was no reason to kill them all. He had gotten what he wanted... a ride home.
The Mandragora Helix from "The Masque of Mandragora" comes to mind. The Fourth Doctor manages to send it back to its own constellation but mentions it will be in position again for another attack on Earth in 500 years' time.
This is my favorite 2-parter and top 3 stories of doctor who. That said, it has always hit a weird spot for me. I don't think The Doctor should have tried to destroy the Vashta Nerada. They are a necessary part of the life cycle on any planet. And as he said, they normally live off of roadkill- already dead meat. Being trapped in the library against their will, they came in the books, of course they were going to eat whatever meat they could get- River's team on the planet. If The Doctor had time to think, he wonder if he could have had the Vashta Nerada stay in a body suit, and transfer them back to a forest on an inhabited planet where they would go back to their natural lifestyle. Obviously that wouldn't have translated the same way and would completely change the impact of the story. Still, I never saw the Vashta Nerada as villainous. More a creature of circumstance like many of the others on Doctor Who
I didn't watch doctor who in ages but remember watching that shadow episode when I was a kid (10yo or something like that) at the time it was the scariest episode I've watched
5) The Doctor didn't panic when it saw the creature that always hides come a little bit out of hiding. He knew Danny and Clara had forced it into a position where it could no longer completely hide, and that they were fixing to force a confrontation with it that was entirely avoidable. The creature wasn't interested in fighting anyone, and the Doctor knew that. It simply wanted to go back to a place where it could hide completely. So what did the Doctor do? He talked up the problem to Danny in a way a child would understand it-- perhaps knowing a creature which does everything it can to hide from all the world around it would have only a childlike understanding of things itself-- and in a way that would convince Danny to do the one thing that would terrify him the most. Because he might be tempted to lash out, and he might be tempted to try and run away. He might find himself paralyzed with fear, but what's the one thing you never want to do when faced with a threat? You don't want to turn around and simply stand there and wait for it to do whatever it's going to do... And this plays on a fear that, unless I miss my guess, I'm not the only person in the world who's ever endured. Haven't you had that time... you know the time. The time when you were sure you were alone in a room that was completely quiet, when you were facing away from the door, and suddenly you could feel it. You could feel that someone else was in the room with you. You could hear it-- the quiet, steady sound of their breathing-- and you were so, so scared. You were more scared than anything to turn around because somehow the idea that it might not be a monster, that it might just be your mom or dad standing there, staring impassively at you, not doing anything but stare at you and breathe... I mean, it was crazy, right? You knew your mind had to be playing tricks, but that didn't stop the hair on the back of your neck from standing up, the chilly tingle of goosebumps over your arms... that crawling feeling in your nethers. It didn't stop the fear, and the panic. Doesn't something deep down in your mind, even now that you're an adult, a part you don't show the world and laugh off and say doesn't really exist... doesn't it still fear finding itself in that position? Doesn't it tell you to do whatever it takes not to be in it? So what does it take to get you to willingly submit to it when you can catch just enough of a glimpse to see there's something real there, but not enough to show you the kind of monster it is? No, the Doctor did not panic in that scene. Not every confrontation is won by fighting. The Doctor didn't lose to the creature in that episode. The enemy in the episode wasn't the creature; it was fear, and it was fear every bit as much for the creature as it was for everything else. The Doctor was able to get Danny and Clara through that situation with no fight, with minimal fright, simply by reassuring the creature who didn't want to be seen that they would never look as long as that's what it wanted. They promised it that it could hide... What did the creature do? It gave Danny his blanket back-- it no longer needed it-- and went back to hiding. And in the end, the Doctor was even able to directly face his fears while helping the creature face its fears, because they both endured to the end of the Universe, and once the Doctor made sure they were alone, that no one but the two of them were there, the creature chose to come out of hiding at last, and the Doctor chose to finally see it for what it was, keeping the details of their interaction private. It was a great episode, with a villain a lot of people didn't really seem to notice, but one which the Doctor was able to help everyone-- not just the people he usually helps, but the creature he knew was suffering, too-- defeat along with him.
The sleep-sand people in Sleep No More beat The Doctor, to the point where he still didn't know what was happening. That episode could use a follow up!
Just a statement; 10. I wasn't really sure about Skaldak's status as a bad guy in Cold War and I kinda felt some sympathy over how he had a daughter and is never going to see her again (since the time they were together was about five thousand years ago and she is supposedly dead now). 9. I've been online somewhat and I've heard that the "Midnight Monster" was thought to have been either the Mara (a sort of giant snake that fed off the fear of others and faced of against the Fifth Doctor a couple of times, in case you didn't know), the Beast (a.k.a. the Devil from The Impossible Planet/The Saturn Pit) or the ghost of the Master, since they dabbled quite a bit in mind control (which the Midnight Monster was kinda doing with Sky Silvestry) and they were all old enemies of the Doctor (which may explain why they latched onto the Doctor and tried to drain him). 7. The Valeyard has faced off against the Doctor in off-screen stories, doing so against the Doctor's sixth incarnation and also his seventh and eighth selves (the last off-screen story the Valeyard has appeared in was set during the Time War, during which he ended up believing he was actually the Doctor and was last seen fighting against several Daleks). 6. When the Doctor had that Pting sucked out, I somewhat believed that that had killed it. 5. It is rather creepy we don't know what that thing in Listen was. 4. The Doctor had actually sent those Stingray creatures to some uninhabited planet. 3. I think if you recall, the Sontarans' weak spot is the probic vent on the back of their necks. 2. The Black Guardian has appeared in a couple of off-screen stories set after Enlightenment; one also involving the Fifth Doctor (and again being in a deadlock with the White Guardian) and the other in which he did not interact with the Doctor (who was in his seventh incarnation by then). Also, when you said that he couldn't defeat them, I took it in the respect that they won in their plans. He has stopped the Daleks, Cybermen, Silence and the Master in their plans, but they have always survived.
See I don't think that the Doctor *couldn't* defeat the vashta nerada, I think he simply chose not to. Instead of destroying them he decided to make peace with them. After all, they aren't evil per se, they're just doing what they do. It's not their fault they were trapped in the Library. It's not their fault the only food source is us. I think he could have found a way to destroy them, but felt it would be wrong to do so.
“I’m the Doctor, and you’re in the biggest library in the Universe. Look me up.” He was implying that he would be able to do something to defeat them if the didn't choose peace. Even if he was bluffing (and he may have been), the bluff worked, which implies that the Vashta Nerada themselves think it's possible that they have a weakness he could exploit.
Victory of the Daleks sums up Matt Smith's Doctor for me - he could have destroyed those Daleks (and supposedly finished them off for good) if he took Bracewell to their ship. Instead, he let them go, same again in Asylum - he just leaves.
Uh, the Cybermen. Like the Darleks they ALWAYS come back, and it kinda makes sense. humanity itself will eventually end up with implants and augments, so going full on Cyberman isnt exactly stretching things too far XD
@@julieeverett7442 True, but equally they did kill anything they could see and reach, instead of specifically targeting Rose's dad. All about perspective I suppose
@@nicholashart1298 Well no one told them, who, or what caused the paradox, only that a paradox happened, like a cut wound, that invited them into the world. Just like the white cells, they attacked everything, that they thought was the cause for the paradox. There are cases, when someone's immunity system doesn't work correctly and the white cells do attack even stuff, that should help your body, just because it's something that doesn't belong there. You're right about perspective, but we should adapt the Doctor's perspective, or his companions, as they represent the hero and the audience. The Doctor himself gave an explanation of what these Reapers are and what they do. So his perspective should apply here. He didn't describe them as anything evil, just things, that use the situation and clear the wound.
@@Noah_Composer Doctor Who was good. Now the plots go nowhere, the opponents pose no real threat half the time or just done in way that comes off poorly, the speeches come off flat and Jodie talks like a schoolteacher not a thousands of years old Time Lord. Where's the Oncoming Storm? "mates, gang" cringe. Contrast the 9th Doctor meeting the lone Dalek in S1, the pain and anger, the war mindset "you would make a good Dalek", chilling. "The Doctor: Your race is dead! You all burnt, all of you! Ten million ships on fire! The entire Dalek race wiped out in one second! Dalek: You lie! The Doctor: I watched it happen! I made it happen! Dalek: You destroyed us?! The Doctor: [somber] I had no choice. Dalek: And what of the Time Lords? The Doctor: Dead. They burnt with you. The end of the last great Time War. Everyone lost." Then the Dalek "humanity is weak" speech with "well, I'm not human", comes off flat. And the Zygon speech about war: "This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought, right there in front of you. Because it’s always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who’s going to die! You don’t know who’s children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill until everybody does what they were always going to have do from the very beginning. Sit down and talk!" now that's a speech. The video reviews give specifics about where things went wrong and, in cases, how it could have been written better.
John Smith sure, cause hating terrible writing, bad jokes and retcons makes you toxic. Ryan and Yaz could be the same character and nothing would change. Everything’s been done better by other doctors and Jodie hasn’t been given anything to work with as the doctor to be a good doctor. She hasn’t been bad either...just lukewarm
@@samsmith4242 Just because you don't like the current style of writing doesn't mean you can be horrible about the writers and say oh I don't like this era doctor who is dead which is plain and obviously wrong as it's clearly not dead. In my opinion Ryan and Yaz feel more human than any companions from the RTD era and series 12 is my favourite series, Jodie is very relatable and the stories are memrable. I don't like RTD era doesn't mean I can call him a villain and the worst showrunner in history just because he's my least favourite showrunner.
John Smith wait, you think that RTD era is bad but Chibnall is good? Right. You’ve just compared the hagia Sophia to a 1950s council house and said the council house is better. Either your an SJW who loves the Chibnall eras preachy, obvious not clever way of pointing out issues (meanwhile the Moffat and RTD eras slip things like that in all the time and it was done well. If you didn’t notice it that’s on you). From an objective writing standpoint the RTD era handled things better than the last two show runners did, and Moffat wasn’t bad but he had some issues setting up his overarching season finale compared to RTD. Planets in the sky and journeys end were teased from the start of the season with references to missing planets throughout the season and a cameo of rose Tyler at the start. Moffat made it a lot more obvious as all things and the doctor a bit too big in my opinion. But, he made it work for him and his doctors. Despite the stories narrative style changing and changing the lore in annoying ways, but at least it still made sense! Chibnall does none of that. He drops a hint doesn’t address it for half the season. Then tries to tie it into some other story with nostalgia thrown in so you have too watch it and then it doesn’t make sense and ruins the entire franchises continuity. All of it. Considering this is doctor who that’s actually impressive. Then again, this season is better than the last one. Introduce big bad in the first episode. Don’t address him or tie in Graham’s grief very well at all. Then have him the big bad show up with no explanation as a galactic level threat because space wizards who have made him a God...for no reason...at all...The doctors also meant to funny or she doesn’t work. The Master is supposed to be clever and his relation to the doctor complicated and nuanced after being friends for over a thousand years. A relationship so long and complicated no else understands it. And companions are to do something and something to the show other than ‘I’m a black British person’ and ‘I’m an Asian British person’. Chibnall is a terrible writer and show runner
Cybermen. Technically in Death in Heaven, the doctor didn't defeat the Cybermen. It was Danny Pink with the controller who defeated both Missy and the Cybermen.
Even if you chucked the Library into a star by changing its orbit, the Vashta Nerada exist everywhere; though I believe it was mentioned that they usually occur in much smaller numbers
“How do you kill a shadow”
*opens curtains”
You make a good point but it might not make a difference. As when The Doctor and Donna are in that library atrium; that shadow was in direct sunlight regardless.
Good joke though.
Wouldn’t it be close? So less light inside?
The Doctor definitely under utilises curtains
He says in the episode that light slows them down but doesn't kill them.
Good joke but opening curtains against the Vashta Nerada wouldn't do much of anything.
"midnight" was such a fantastic episode. the people trapped in that shuttle were arguably more evil than the actual episodes villian.
Honestly my favorite episode. Perfectly represents the weirdness of doctor who
I honestly think they were just scared. I also think one of the more scarier things is that it isn't abnormal to consider people doing this.
I agree, i would like to see more similar episodes.
It really is one of my favorites for the creativity of both the monster and the planet
I think what’s supposed to be the scariest thing is that they weren’t evil; they were just average scared people. And that made them capable of anything.
The one villain the Doctor can’t defeat: Chibnall’s Writing
icould not imagine anything worst than the weepingangels, BUT...
yeah, no kidding, it's like they are actively trying to kill the show😕
That’s rather rude. It’s not that bad. The Timeless Children was fantastic!
Matthew's Stop Motions I mean... you have your opinions, lol, but whether u like it or not u can’t deny that it breaks lore.
@@MatthewsStopMotions perhaps the episodes were good, but only by comparison to 13's other ones. The idea of the timeless child makes the doctor no longer special.
Well, there's one enemy that we all know can't be beaten by the Doctor: Chris Chibnall
Idk
Maybemaybemaybe
Chinball
Lol funny
You misspelled Steven Moffat.
He hand-picked Chibnall. They discussed exactly what was going to happen. Moffatt is the one who literally altered multiple significant moments in the doctor's history by writing Clara into a retcon of those moments to shift the best parts of the doctor as having comes directly from Clara...
Moffatt is the one who decided that the next regeneration would be female, and that the history of the character should shift towards a completely female perspective.
But he knew that whoever was showrunner for that was going to get a ton of criticism and if there's one thing Moffet can't stand, it's criticism.
River Song. She was 'designed' to kill him, and she almost did. The only reason he survived was because she saved him with her regeneration energy
She isn't a villain per se tho
@@galenli6402 only because we first saw her as a 'companion' (of sorts?). She was the thing in the space suit when she was first introduced by her perspective (bloody timey wimey stuff, gets all confusing), and the space suit was a villian
@@galenli6402 She _was._ And she wasn't defeated because she was reformed.
Ywah but even if she didn't the doctor would of came back some other way
If we followed the timeline from River’s view rather than the doctor’s, the story would have been a lot different and a lot sadder as we watch the doctor know her less and less
The Daleks always come back.
Well...any recurring villain always come back
@WackyWAA !: Are any of them as nasty as the Daleks?
Ronald Marcano The Master, The Cybermen, Sontarans, Autons, Ice Warriors
While it is true that the Daleks cause the most harm. I just thought that you said the Daleks always come back and that being exclusive to them.
@@twitchyllama8094 i feel like a loser for getting that 😂
After being defeated
I would argue that the Vasta Nerada aren't actually villains, they are a swarm of microscopic predators who got stuck in the library when their forest got turned into books.
The same with the "stingrays", they are simply animals, highly armored, airborne, and voraciously predatory animals, but still animals.
Neither are really evil, they simply are, and the doctor was able to reason with the Vasta Nerada, allowing him and the remaining companions to leave the library unharmed.
Precisely. I think I’m quoting someone when I say “You can’t blame a Lion for toying with it’s prey”
Sadly a detail a lot of people miss these days antagonist(an issue corporal or not that a character must surpass) is different from villain(a character with evil intentions).
Does the Vashta Nerada's sapience qualify them for evil, though? If they can read about and bargain with the Doctor, that suggests they have the capacity to understand the effects of their actions. If they still don't count as villains because they're carnivorous and predation is in their nature, what about Daleks who are genetically engineered to be driven by hatred? Where to draw the line?
@@AstraIVagabond The difference is in motivation. The Vashta Nerada usually predate small non sapient animals, as the doctor points out. Their choice was to start eating people or to starve. That is not evil, that is desperation. Had they been evil, the doctor would not been able to bargain with them as he did.
"Don't play games with me! You just killed someone I like, that is not a safe place to stand! I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the Universe. Look me up." :)
3:23 Technically the lone angel only got Rory by surprise. Amy decided that her life wasn't worth living without Rory so she decided to let the angel take her and hope she and Rory were together
I think the Reapers from _Father's Day_ deserve to be on this list. The Doctor had no way to beat them legitimately, and they actually ended up killing him - not forcing him to regenerate, actually killing him. The only way that the day was 'saved' in the end was by Pete sacrificing himself in order to end the paradox, which reset the timeline and restored all those killed by the Reapers.
Yeah, the doctor never actually defeated them I almost forgot about that episode
@@joshcain_ The Reapers are honestly one of my favorite _Doctor Who_ creatures. They're fascinating to look at, completely impossible to kill, and just a brilliant concept. Also, did you know that the sound they make is based on a vulture's cry? The sound team took a vulture's screech and altered it, and I think that works wonderfully for the concept of creatures that live within the time vortex and appear to cleanse paradoxes.
And don’t the Raven from Face The Raven!
I feel like these ravens should return
Father's day is one of my favourite episodes
I think the midnight entity was the villain that the doctor truly feared. He always has his voice and mind which is his greatest weapon. But it took them away while first having caused massive tension between everyone. All by just repeating. When Donna repeated after the doctor at the end you could see the horror and fear in the doctors eyes. He didn’t know what it was and it probably isn’t dead seeing as it was surviving out there before hand
I guess it died after posessing Sky and getting sucked outside. Maybe by taken over a body, it is vurnebale now, you know ? Maybe that shade of the ?Devil? who get sucked in the Satan Pit into the black hole, still lives and has now many shades across the universe, cause he was shredded to many pieces by the hole. Now he tries to become one again by searching for all of his parts. Maybe bit was cause of that resistent against the heat outside on Midnight. Maybe it was attracted cause of that by fear and used that to get the upper hand in that episode. Also when Sky smiled evil it reminded me of Toby. Something is fishy, maybe they really did this but changed afterwards the idea to reveal the entity as part of the devil from before. Maybe a cut out scene exists were it gets revealed. But if not, still maybe it died by sucking out while inside of a human body, when the posessed human dies, it dies maybe too. Why it didn't still tried to attack them again if it is still outside and living? They waited after that at the same spot until rescue arrives. Maybe it still lives and decided to let them be, cause it is planing something different as next or it died.
Preceyese Seyeght it’s a cool theory but I’m pretty sure it lives. It’s why the doctor said to move the leisure place somewhere else. If it can survive out there before hand then it can survive again. It didn’t need a physical form to enter. It’s definitely a cool mystery
The midnight entity is one of my favorite doctor who creatures, because it is one of the only things the doctor was really afraid of. The actual fear in his eyes and that he felt you could feel too, since it was an entity no one had really seen before in who. And the fact he got afraid on Donna repeating him means he knows that creature was probably still out there, meaning it could take someone again, and again, and again.
He was trying to save the midnight entity.
@@tinasfs The Doctor wasn't afrad of the midnight entity, he was afraid for the midnight entity.
I love how Dalek Kahn could see the future and wanted the Doctor to end Dalek kind, but failed to mention they would show up again in just a few months.
Ultimate trolling
This is what happens when you are too popular to be permanently killed off. 🤷♂️
You could argue that the timeline changed once he did rendering the future Caan saw moot
Still can't get over the statues look when it took out Amy and Rory. Just, nothing. Not a snarl, not a look of anger. Nothing. Like a man who has lost everything. The one thing I love about this show, is even the most evil creatures are humanized in some sense. This Angel just lost it's entire race. It had just lost everything.
I watched that episode 2 days ago again. That episode is one of the best doctor who episodes. Matt Smith’s acting when Amy and Rory jumped off Winter Quay was incredible! He was just *devastated* when it happened. I would like more episodes like this. Too bad they ended the show. (In my opinion) The last episode of Doctor Who was such a disappointment. Who else agrees?
@@jameslikesstrangerthingsan37 David Tennant was my favourite doctor and for lot of other people, Matt Smith was strange at first but quckly become a very good doctor too, for Peter Capaldi i had to get used to an old doctor but i was able to and he got some good episode too,but that women........Jodie Whittaker......i watched a few episode with her then i stopped. I so badly wanted her to be at least an ok doctor, but no, for me the show ended there. I hoped we get a new doctor after 1 season, but no. Im waiting for the next doctor and i will start to watch again from there or force myself trough previous seasons, dont know yet. I hope they can get a better writer and a better doctor.
@@jameslikesstrangerthingsan37 what episode do you consider the final episode?
@@Kronosz14 Ya chibnal kinda ruined her time as the doctor.
@@arthurmartin4616check out some interview, it was a mutual effort, she wanted to bring change to the series too
I would love to see the Vashta Neverda again but I don't think any storyline with them would be as good as Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
probably not’ some writers might also be hesitant to touch a Moffat creation in case they botch it
They'd need another forest and that might be stretching it...
@@danthemeegs8751 Spitfires in space fighting dinosaurs on a spaceship? Fires in the near-vacuum, CO2 atmosphere of Mars? Moffat's got lazy or self-indulgent. The current series actually stopped me from watching, something that hasn't happened since Sylvester MacCoy.
@@immortalsofar5314 Neither of the things you just listed were written by Moffat
@@eliberdugo3121 Ah, yes, you're right - they're Gattis and Russel. It threw me that Moffat was defending some of the quirks with "it must have somehow..."
The ultimate villain that the Doctor is yet to defeat is the being known as Chibnall
Chibnall will be exterminated
I’d argue Micheal Grade was worse. Putting the Show on hiatus, Halving the episode amount when it did come back and ultimately firing Colin Baker simply because he didn’t like him.
WackyWAA ! Nope. Chibnall has ruined the show
And it kinda needs to go on hiatus to get a restart
Also the last couple of series need to be written out of continuity
Speedy Quick Has Chris Chibnall fired Anyone just because he didn’t like them? No. Did he try to cancel Doctor who for many and many years? No
Yes Chibnalls era is bad (my least favourite era of the entire show) but he is NO WHERE NEAR as bad as the Twat known as Micheal Grade
@@wackywaa1458 ahhh Chibnall ruined Doctor Who, i don't mean his series, i mean retroactively ALL of it !
The reapers were quite a terrifying enemy. The doctor was even eaten by one of them. The doctor himself said that nothing in the universe could stop them and only appear during a time paradox, rose saving her dad.
If I remember right the only thing that could stop them was rose dad killing himself reversing the paradox. The doctor didn’t beat them though.
And then we never see them again regardless of the countless paradoxes surrounding the doctor and his companions 😭😂
I actually remember watching that episode when I was younger. One of the first Doctor Who episodes I ever watched
Weird how all of these sharpie marks show up on my arms when someone mentions The Silence...
I'm sorry, the... what?
Oh that happens to you as well? I just wash mine off but it just keeps appearing!
@@Xeroph-5 the sile.....wait what
Had so much fun with sharpie tallys as a kid
What's a silence
A villain the doctor didn't defeat?
"Harriet Jones, Former Prime Minister."
"Yes, we know who you are."
Not a villain but I still found that running gag hilarious.
Six words.
The Doctor could never defeate the woke BBC.
The Doctor brings Harriet Jones down with the six words: "Don't you think she looks tired?"
Simonssx he should have just said brexit, that took down 2 PMs
Another two people the Doctor can’t defeat. Himself. And the TARDIS.
Midnight Episode in a nutshell:
The Doctor Was NOT an Impostor
Noice
Amogus
👵🏻
We don't know that, he was saved by a tie vote
@@mittensdacat shut up, shut up, shut uppety up up up!
The Master, like the Daleks, just *survives.* Trust me. They have their ways of just coming back somehow. Lol.
Thump thump thump thump
I was going to add the Master in here. He/she may never win, but they do keep returning, even when the viewer thinks they died. I mean... how did the Master survive stabbing themselves on a ship full of Cybermen? It's a conundrum.
The Cybermen. They fall into a similar category to the Daleks, where yes, the Doctor can defeat individual encounters, but the fact that they are an inevitability where ever humans reside means that they can never be truly defeated.
“We have been delayed. Not defeated. The Daleks are never defeated” - The Supreme Dalek (Planet of the Daleks - Episode 6)
"We are entombed, but we live on. This is only the beginning. We will prepare. We will grow stronger. When the time is right, we will emerge and take our rightful place as the supreme power of the UNIVERSE!"
“THE QUESTION, THE FIRST QUESTION, THE QUESTION YOUVE BEEN RUNNING FROM ALL YOUR LIFE, DOCTOR-
“Who wrote Beethoven’s Fifth
the doctor wrote beethoven s fifth
@@borislastro4445 source
John McLane dedicated to Hans Gruber in Die Hard 😂
so the question is what is his name right? i wonder if they have an actusl plot on that. like something passed from generations of directors. that would be nice.
@@juannunez4436 I'll ask you this.
What do we, as an audience, gain from his name?
I know he ended up tricking them but I always liked how the weeping angles initially defeated the doctor in blink, sending him and Martha back in time to kickstart Sally’s journey.
What about the Raven from Face The Raven in Series 9? I remember the doctor saying “you could run to the end of the universe and it would still catch you” and there was also nothing he could do to stop it inevitably killing Clara. I found that episode creepy.
Very bleak, and the one where he rescues her and her heart doesnt beat just as well
The raven wasn't an enemy, it was more like the headsman's axe: a tool used in execution.
4. Wasn’t it said that the swarm would “start again” (meaning get faster and faster until they generate a new portal?) but the doctor said he would shift it to uninhabited worlds? Technically not defeating them but helping them
yeah something like that. basically he can’t stop the swarm at all
That definitely sounds like something the Doctor would do. The swarm couldn't really help it. They're just eating, so if he sends them to uninhabited planets, they can eat without hurting another species
Now I could be remembering wrong here, but I think I remember a line where the Doctor says that if they are unable to jump to the next planet they will die, because they need to keep consuming at a rapid rate. So leaving them there would kill them and hence actually would have defeated them. BUT since he's kind he did what you said and shifted it to uninhabited worlds because he didn't want them to die since they weren't technically evil.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I feel I have a distinct memory of that line.
They aren't evil, they're just hungry. And when you're on the menu, its perceived as evil.
Or something like that, I dont remember the actual quote
"Winning? Is that what you think it’s about? I’m not trying to win. I’m not doing this because I want to beat someone, or because I hate someone, or because I want to blame someone. It’s not because it’s fun. God knows it’s not because it’s easy. It’s not even because it works because it hardly ever does.. I DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE IT’S RIGHT! Because it’s decent! And above all, it’s kind! It’s just that.. Just kind. If I run away today, good people will die. If I stand and fight, some of them might live. Maybe not many, maybe not for long. Hey, you know, maybe there’s no point to any of this at all. But it’s the best I can do. So I’m going to do it. And I will stand here doing it until it kills me. And you’re going to die too! Some day.. And how will that be? Have you thought about it? What would you die for? Who I am is where I stand.. Where I stand is where I fall. Stand with me. These people are terrified. Maybe we can help a little. Why not, just at the end, just be kind?” - The Doctor
Great moment :D
Which episode is this from?
@@bebgab1971 The Doctor Falls. Twelve's speech to both Masters.
Copy and pasted
"Why not, just at the end, just be kind?" Simple, because humanity is not kind. Since we walked across the continents we have killed, for food, for sport, for pleasure, to stop others. We are the cruelest animals on this forsaken rock and in the 200,000 years modern humans have roamed we are the most vindictive and vicious.
Honourable mention to the water zombies, who you could say he defeated but not really because almost everyone died and adelaide blew up the base, killing herself.
Bruh remember that ep when the doctor was trapped in a castle for 100s of years being chased by a shadow creature slowly and he had to dig through a diamond wall meters thick for hundreds of years dying over and over from the creature but then being brought back to life.
If I recall, it was billions of years.
@@TurtleDudeProd oh dam
@@chaz1209 4-7 billion roughly
@@DarthVader-3653 wtf
@@TurtleDudeProd bruh
Oh, so when you say "Defeat," you actually mean "Didn't completely obliterate."
By that logic, there are no winners in football until they've executed the other teams...
К тому же, Доктор никогда не убивал их полностью в том числе из-за ненависти к геноциду
In addition, the Doctor never killed them completely, including because of hatred of genocide
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As football SHOULD be played.
Only if his redefinition of "villain" is as loose as his personal interpretation of "defeat."
Which it is, seeing as survival instinct is such a heinous crime. Silver medalists are toast.
“How do you defeat a shadow?”
Me: turn the lights on 😂
The Cybermen in the Season 10 finale. Despite having stopped their forces on one floor, Nardol said that the Cybermen were still at the bottom of the ship and were just waiting for a new approach. His regeneration was triggered and the fates of the humans on board the ship are sealed of either running for the rest of their lives or the Cybermen catching up with them.
David Troughton, Patrick's son, was the elderly scholar in Midnight. He also played soldier many years ago in the Second Doctor finale, War Games. Just throwing in a bit of trivia. I think he was also in the Peter Davison comedy "The Five Doctors Reboot."
David Troughton also played King Peladon, a major role, in the 3rd Doctor story "The Curse of Peladon".
I think only one episode of Doctor who has actually scared me which I believe is called midnight because the acting was amazing and the people panicking seemed genuinely real to me and I think the woman who played sky was amazing the way she looked at them with her creepy ass eyes and even the way it scared the doctor at the end it was really good
Pretty overhyped episode for me. 🤷♂️
You forgot to mention that The Valeyard is also a future version of The Doctor, so even if he had died, we would still theoretically see him again.
Nobody hates The Doctor more than himself, it's how 11 knew who the Dream Lord was. 6 beleived The Master when he said he was an evil future Doctor but even if he didn't The Doctor could have figured it out from Valeyard's insults or did he not become self loathing until after the Time War? .
@@thisiscerysr4515 Very true in fact 9 and 10 were very obvious with the self loathing. The Dream Lord could've been considered the beginning of the Valeyard or at least a introductory manifestation. The real question is since the Master himself said that the Valeyard was an amalgam of his darkness between the 10th and final regenerations. Where does the Valeyard truly begin?
Midnight is easily one of my few favorite episodes. Actually had me on the edge of my seat. Such a suspenseful episode.
Definitely a very polarizing episode, put yourself in the place of the passengers what would you do, put yourself in the role of the Doctor what DO you do, role of the stewardess (who was in on a lot of the episode)while you know what she did could you do it, WOULD you do it?. Easily one of my favs
The "Vashta nerada" episode, I loved it. One of my favorites.
Did you play the Doctor Who PC games? One of them features the Vashta Nerada as an (AI) enemy.
@@tardiskeeper6 I've never played any "Doctor Who" game. I don't know anything about the expanded universe like books or comics except Torchwood, and just the TV series, not the comic. I'm afraid I'm a regular fan of several things, not a huge fan of one topic.
@LT. Simon Riley Maybe not the episode (althoug I love it), but my favorite scene ever in TV or cinema is Peter Capaldi's Doctor trying to convince a zygon not starting a war and a human not to commit a genocide in "The Zygon Inversion" episode. The whole scene is awsome. Awsome doctor too.
TOP 10 MISSING DOCTOR WHO STORIES PLEASE
The 97 Missing Episodes need more attention and I won’t stop commenting until it happens
this topic MIGHT be talked about soon, stay posted :p
#TopTenMissingEpisodes WhoCulture!
hot head 93 Does gaming Really? That’s surprising. A lot of people think it’s one of the weaker Missing Stories. I think it’s good but it’s not at the top of my list. Marco Polo, Mission to the Unknown, The Daleks’ Master Plan, Power of the Daleks, Evil of the Daleks & Fury from the Deep are at the top of my list
Myth Makers for me personally, that's one of my favorite First Doctor stories.
Omg yes the first set Marco polo was so good and all episodes are missing that was one of my favorite set of episodes I've seen
The Black Guardian needs to come back. And get Charles Dance to play him.
that would be AMAZING
I’d love to see Charles Dance as Rassilon
@@TheTomLees i think its about time The Black Guardian came back first.
Something I've never understood with the Weeping Angles, is why no-one ever even tries to destroy them a sledgehammer. Like you can kill basically everything if you take a sledgehammer and just smash it to bits. Unless they can somehow piece themselves back together, they're gone, especially because when you're looking at them they're stone.
Moffet would likely just pull a new ability out of his backside.🤷♂️
weeping angels have regen abilities.
They're not actually stone when they're frozen, iirc. They're locked in time when observed, so utterly indestructible.
Because they are quantum locked they only become stone when they are being looked at it is literally impossible to destroy them without a time paradox
Man, I really wish the weeping angels were in more episodes. They are such a great villain. They are horrifying, the music is always great, they have a great defense that is impossible to beat (cuz if they get damaged they can repair themselves), and the actors who play the angels are always amazing
The biggest Doctor Who villain of the newest series is: Bad Writing
Very much so
True. Only thing that’s keeping me going with the series is Captain Jack.
TARDIS when the Doctor is in danger: Aight ima head out
I think the biggest monster the Doctor could never defeat... is itself. It has been made apparent through several storylines during NuWho, as well as a few select storylines from Classic Who, that the Doctor himself is a Monster. Storylines like the Pandorica, the Waters of Mars, The Family of Blood, the Timeles Child, and the various court cases of the Second, Sixth (and possibly fourth but I can't remember) highlight that the Doctor itself is ruthless. While The Doctor (most of the time) has good intentions, very bad things have resulted from it. The Doctor has been responsible for several other monsters as well - notably the Toclofane and the Master in Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords (in helping the rocket to fly and his part in reawakening the Master); the Gelth (in allowing them through the rift); and the Daleks (by not leaving Davros when he was a child, even with full knowledge not only of the Daleks, but of his own actions with the usage of the moment - which he still partly believed happened at the time - and yes, leaving Davros to die would also have made him a bit of a Monster). The most notable monstrous event of the Doctor's however, is the Timeless Child. The Doctor/Timeless Child is responsible for the Time Lords of Gallifrey, who really, up until their defeat, were essentially dictators. They 'ruled' the universe by watching over the timelines, vowed not to intefere yet broke this promise to keep their version of the ideal amount of peace. The Time Lords - and all Gallifreyans - have been responsible for a number of calamitous events, including driving the Master insane by sending a signal through the Time Vortex through the Untempered Schism when the Master was 8, and with their oligarchal-at-best high court, which doesn't seem to ever have any of a say, and it is solely up to the Lord President to decide due to his magic gauntlet. Now, yes, the Doctor didn't intentionally create Time Lords (as far as we know but there's still time for Chibnall to make this worse), but the Doctor was directly responsible for them.
Your Dalek point falls flat because the doctor saving Davros is a fixed point in time it must happen no matter what
The sand creatures in “Sleep No More” the Doctor was unable to defeat them. All he could do was escape with Clara and the other survivors.
The midnight episode was so depressing in the end. The poor hostess :(
You forgot Chris Chibnall, heck he should even be number one on the list.
“The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darkest side of you Doctor somewhere between your 12th and final incarnation”- The Master
Theres one more villain: The Master
Edit: Also!!! In the Episode The Almost People, he died saving everyone from The Flesh and his copy "became" him and was seen to be the original thing
Actually the Black and White Guardians aren't representations of Darkness and Light. Its Chaos and Order
Can't remember the doctor defeating the cybermen for good.
I don't think he can. He mentions that the Cybermen will always be part of humanity's evolution and they will always show up (something like that). He would have to kill off the human race to stop them. But you are right as well.
@@aaronwackenhut2216 Yeah. Even if he would kill every cyberman in the Galaxy. Someday a human race would create something similar to upgrade their human bodys. He could spend all of his remaining regenerations just killing of cyberman in every timeline possible and there would be still some left who would replicate themselves.
He can defend the humans against the aliens but not the humans against the humans .
Nothing the doctor faces ever stays gone
id argue that the vasta nerada were just as scared of the doctor as he was of them. the moment he said look me up they backed off. oh shit this guy could possibly kill us. ok truce.
He did kill the stingrays, after the episode he bounced their portals to barren planets until they starved iirc.
They don't starve, they eat everything. People, buildings, flora... they didn't need inhabited planets to feed on, just planets in general. So in the end he didn't starve them, he just re-routed them to where they could survive whilst doing the least amount of damage.
The way you described Cold Wars ending sounded profound but then you called it a crap episode. Quite polarising in tone there
I think it might have been sarcasm.
Check the end credits of the video :p Rich didn’t write this script so his opinion of the episode is separate to the description of Cold War’s ending
DanTheMeegs he probably threw in his own opinion. There is something called ad libbing. He isn’t going to just say someone else’s opinion, the list will be scripted but his opinions probably aren’t lol
I actually really enjoyed Cold War.
I find it an average episode in a below average season
I love things like this as I always think that the doctor doesn't kill some of his enemies because he is being kind. Like how he gave the family of blood a chance but eventually they pushed him to far and he had no choice but to "get rid" of them
The Vashta Nerada weren't defeated but was scared of the Doctor after he told them to look up his history. They backed off quickly.
Honorable mentions: The Reapers
The Flood, The Beast, The Cybermen as they always survive, the 456, Sutekh, Rassilon in many ways despite him being defeated in convenient circumstances a couple times
@Vilgax the Conqueror They were in Torchwood Children of Earth (Series 3) baso aliens who abused children turned them into drugs
I'd debate adding the 456 since the Doctor never encountered them, that was all TW. If we include all parts of the Whoniverse, we'd also have to include the Families (thwarted sure, but you know they'd be back if there was more TW) and the Trickster from SJA, another case of foiled but never truly defeated.
"The daleks are never defeated!"
-Dalek Supreme, Planet of the Daleks
The one villain he can never beat is the Master, although thought to be dead after her defeat at her own hands, she reappears 2 seasons later and causes more problems for the Doctor, due to the dynamics of their relationship, they may still be friends but she is still none the less a villain and the Doctor would never directly kill his oldest friend
The master keeps on coming back. The third doctor defeated him every time for his first season, but he kept on escaping and coming back. Again and again.
you had to remind me about the Ponds didn't you...
RIP Ponds.
I love the cold war episode, it's one of my favourites
same!
me to. And i don't understand the one critic i heard ones "it is basicly just alien 1" SO what? :D it's a brilliant film to get insperation from.
I thought it was just me I was scrolling through the comments to find other people who liked it
I liked it too! :D It was one of the many Dr Who episodes that there isn't always good and evil, just opposite sides... and the warrior was fine with peace because there was no reason to kill them all. He had gotten what he wanted... a ride home.
I cried for like an hour at the end of Ángels of Manhattan
An opponent that the doctor never got rid of, even if you thought, but now he's gone:
*The Master*
He (or she) keeps coming back.
And actually you can kill a shadow… but that involves illuminating LITERALLY EVERYTHING leaving no shadows left
There's two scps o can think of that this is how you contain them
Shadow spiders right?
The Mandragora Helix from "The Masque of Mandragora" comes to mind. The Fourth Doctor manages to send it back to its own constellation but mentions it will be in position again for another attack on Earth in 500 years' time.
This is my favorite 2-parter and top 3 stories of doctor who. That said, it has always hit a weird spot for me. I don't think The Doctor should have tried to destroy the Vashta Nerada. They are a necessary part of the life cycle on any planet. And as he said, they normally live off of roadkill- already dead meat. Being trapped in the library against their will, they came in the books, of course they were going to eat whatever meat they could get- River's team on the planet. If The Doctor had time to think, he wonder if he could have had the Vashta Nerada stay in a body suit, and transfer them back to a forest on an inhabited planet where they would go back to their natural lifestyle. Obviously that wouldn't have translated the same way and would completely change the impact of the story. Still, I never saw the Vashta Nerada as villainous. More a creature of circumstance like many of the others on Doctor Who
River song technically start/ended as a villian depending on the timeline.
You forgot the master, that crow that "kills" Clara, I think the zygons would a technicality, and the cybermen
I feel like another villain that could be on here is the Kasaavin as they are never truly defeated by the Doctor, the just leave
Cybermanalf lets hope they’re back with 200% more power
5:20 I read a theory where this creature does exist, its the Silence.
we did a video about this on the main WhatCulture channel, 10 Doctor Who Fan Theories That Will Blow Your Mind
Too small for a silence. People speculate it’s the midnight creature or something new
Amy's Choice. He can never defeat himself
I didn't watch doctor who in ages but remember watching that shadow episode when I was a kid (10yo or something like that) at the time it was the scariest episode I've watched
The Vasta Nerada gave me a highly acute fear of the dark and shadows for years. Still haven’t entirely gotten over it.
Well they plug into such a primordial fear, it is really easy to get under your skin
You can see them sometimes...the dust in sunbeams...
The shadows weren’t villains though
They just wanted their home back and done what any creature would
glad to know out of all of your channels, you have one dedicated to dr who
5) The Doctor didn't panic when it saw the creature that always hides come a little bit out of hiding. He knew Danny and Clara had forced it into a position where it could no longer completely hide, and that they were fixing to force a confrontation with it that was entirely avoidable. The creature wasn't interested in fighting anyone, and the Doctor knew that. It simply wanted to go back to a place where it could hide completely.
So what did the Doctor do? He talked up the problem to Danny in a way a child would understand it-- perhaps knowing a creature which does everything it can to hide from all the world around it would have only a childlike understanding of things itself-- and in a way that would convince Danny to do the one thing that would terrify him the most. Because he might be tempted to lash out, and he might be tempted to try and run away. He might find himself paralyzed with fear, but what's the one thing you never want to do when faced with a threat?
You don't want to turn around and simply stand there and wait for it to do whatever it's going to do...
And this plays on a fear that, unless I miss my guess, I'm not the only person in the world who's ever endured. Haven't you had that time... you know the time. The time when you were sure you were alone in a room that was completely quiet, when you were facing away from the door, and suddenly you could feel it. You could feel that someone else was in the room with you. You could hear it-- the quiet, steady sound of their breathing-- and you were so, so scared. You were more scared than anything to turn around because somehow the idea that it might not be a monster, that it might just be your mom or dad standing there, staring impassively at you, not doing anything but stare at you and breathe... I mean, it was crazy, right? You knew your mind had to be playing tricks, but that didn't stop the hair on the back of your neck from standing up, the chilly tingle of goosebumps over your arms... that crawling feeling in your nethers. It didn't stop the fear, and the panic.
Doesn't something deep down in your mind, even now that you're an adult, a part you don't show the world and laugh off and say doesn't really exist... doesn't it still fear finding itself in that position? Doesn't it tell you to do whatever it takes not to be in it?
So what does it take to get you to willingly submit to it when you can catch just enough of a glimpse to see there's something real there, but not enough to show you the kind of monster it is?
No, the Doctor did not panic in that scene. Not every confrontation is won by fighting. The Doctor didn't lose to the creature in that episode. The enemy in the episode wasn't the creature; it was fear, and it was fear every bit as much for the creature as it was for everything else.
The Doctor was able to get Danny and Clara through that situation with no fight, with minimal fright, simply by reassuring the creature who didn't want to be seen that they would never look as long as that's what it wanted. They promised it that it could hide...
What did the creature do? It gave Danny his blanket back-- it no longer needed it-- and went back to hiding.
And in the end, the Doctor was even able to directly face his fears while helping the creature face its fears, because they both endured to the end of the Universe, and once the Doctor made sure they were alone, that no one but the two of them were there, the creature chose to come out of hiding at last, and the Doctor chose to finally see it for what it was, keeping the details of their interaction private.
It was a great episode, with a villain a lot of people didn't really seem to notice, but one which the Doctor was able to help everyone-- not just the people he usually helps, but the creature he knew was suffering, too-- defeat along with him.
The Time Lords. Never defeated. Always return. The Doctors greatest rival.
The sleep-sand people in Sleep No More beat The Doctor, to the point where he still didn't know what was happening. That episode could use a follow up!
You can’t kill a shadow
Flashlights: allow me to introduce myself
Honestly my favourite villain is the one in listen, we don’t even know if it exists and when I saw it at night I just loved that thought
Just a statement;
10. I wasn't really sure about Skaldak's status as a bad guy in Cold War and I kinda felt some sympathy over how he had a daughter and is never going to see her again (since the time they were together was about five thousand years ago and she is supposedly dead now).
9. I've been online somewhat and I've heard that the "Midnight Monster" was thought to have been either the Mara (a sort of giant snake that fed off the fear of others and faced of against the Fifth Doctor a couple of times, in case you didn't know), the Beast (a.k.a. the Devil from The Impossible Planet/The Saturn Pit) or the ghost of the Master, since they dabbled quite a bit in mind control (which the Midnight Monster was kinda doing with Sky Silvestry) and they were all old enemies of the Doctor (which may explain why they latched onto the Doctor and tried to drain him).
7. The Valeyard has faced off against the Doctor in off-screen stories, doing so against the Doctor's sixth incarnation and also his seventh and eighth selves (the last off-screen story the Valeyard has appeared in was set during the Time War, during which he ended up believing he was actually the Doctor and was last seen fighting against several Daleks).
6. When the Doctor had that Pting sucked out, I somewhat believed that that had killed it.
5. It is rather creepy we don't know what that thing in Listen was.
4. The Doctor had actually sent those Stingray creatures to some uninhabited planet.
3. I think if you recall, the Sontarans' weak spot is the probic vent on the back of their necks.
2. The Black Guardian has appeared in a couple of off-screen stories set after Enlightenment; one also involving the Fifth Doctor (and again being in a deadlock with the White Guardian) and the other in which he did not interact with the Doctor (who was in his seventh incarnation by then).
Also, when you said that he couldn't defeat them, I took it in the respect that they won in their plans. He has stopped the Daleks, Cybermen, Silence and the Master in their plans, but they have always survived.
The creatures from the episode Hide, technically he never defeated them just appeased them.
Love your commentary. Top notch.
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Literally I was just watching on eof your vids and this came out lol
Maybe because they pump out so many videos every day between all of their channels.
Yeah lol
See I don't think that the Doctor *couldn't* defeat the vashta nerada, I think he simply chose not to. Instead of destroying them he decided to make peace with them. After all, they aren't evil per se, they're just doing what they do. It's not their fault they were trapped in the Library. It's not their fault the only food source is us. I think he could have found a way to destroy them, but felt it would be wrong to do so.
Blow up the planet
@@lorenzorossi9093 LOL - That is one of the ways I thought of, but I don't think he wanted to destroy the library either.
“I’m the Doctor, and you’re in the biggest library in the Universe. Look me up.”
He was implying that he would be able to do something to defeat them if the didn't choose peace. Even if he was bluffing (and he may have been), the bluff worked, which implies that the Vashta Nerada themselves think it's possible that they have a weakness he could exploit.
@@Vares65 the library is lost to an hostile force. Just blow it up if you can't have it no one should.
@@lorenzorossi9093 You're a Republican, aren't you?
Victory of the Daleks sums up Matt Smith's Doctor for me - he could have destroyed those Daleks (and supposedly finished them off for good) if he took Bracewell to their ship. Instead, he let them go, same again in Asylum - he just leaves.
Uh, the Cybermen.
Like the Darleks they ALWAYS come back, and it kinda makes sense.
humanity itself will eventually end up with implants and augments, so going full on Cyberman isnt exactly stretching things too far XD
Don't know if it's already been said but the Reapers. Never properly defeated them just fixed the paradox.
not really villians, they are no more evil than your white cells are that fight infection, they create balance
@@julieeverett7442 True, but equally they did kill anything they could see and reach, instead of specifically targeting Rose's dad. All about perspective I suppose
@@nicholashart1298 Well no one told them, who, or what caused the paradox, only that a paradox happened, like a cut wound, that invited them into the world. Just like the white cells, they attacked everything, that they thought was the cause for the paradox. There are cases, when someone's immunity system doesn't work correctly and the white cells do attack even stuff, that should help your body, just because it's something that doesn't belong there. You're right about perspective, but we should adapt the Doctor's perspective, or his companions, as they represent the hero and the audience. The Doctor himself gave an explanation of what these Reapers are and what they do. So his perspective should apply here. He didn't describe them as anything evil, just things, that use the situation and clear the wound.
The hardest villain to beat: Chris Chibnall
The hardest villain to beat: the toxic fandom
@@Noah_Composer Doctor Who was good. Now the plots go nowhere, the opponents pose no real threat half the time or just done in way that comes off poorly, the speeches come off flat and Jodie talks like a schoolteacher not a thousands of years old Time Lord. Where's the Oncoming Storm? "mates, gang" cringe.
Contrast the 9th Doctor meeting the lone Dalek in S1, the pain and anger, the war mindset "you would make a good Dalek", chilling.
"The Doctor: Your race is dead! You all burnt, all of you! Ten million ships on fire! The entire Dalek race wiped out in one second!
Dalek: You lie!
The Doctor: I watched it happen! I made it happen!
Dalek: You destroyed us?!
The Doctor: [somber] I had no choice.
Dalek: And what of the Time Lords?
The Doctor: Dead. They burnt with you. The end of the last great Time War. Everyone lost."
Then the Dalek "humanity is weak" speech with "well, I'm not human", comes off flat.
And the Zygon speech about war:
"This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought, right there in front of you. Because it’s always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who’s going to die! You don’t know who’s children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill until everybody does what they were always going to have do from the very beginning. Sit down and talk!" now that's a speech.
The video reviews give specifics about where things went wrong and, in cases, how it could have been written better.
John Smith sure, cause hating terrible writing, bad jokes and retcons makes you toxic. Ryan and Yaz could be the same character and nothing would change. Everything’s been done better by other doctors and Jodie hasn’t been given anything to work with as the doctor to be a good doctor. She hasn’t been bad either...just lukewarm
@@samsmith4242 Just because you don't like the current style of writing doesn't mean you can be horrible about the writers and say oh I don't like this era doctor who is dead which is plain and obviously wrong as it's clearly not dead. In my opinion Ryan and Yaz feel more human than any companions from the RTD era and series 12 is my favourite series, Jodie is very relatable and the stories are memrable. I don't like RTD era doesn't mean I can call him a villain and the worst showrunner in history just because he's my least favourite showrunner.
John Smith wait, you think that RTD era is bad but Chibnall is good? Right. You’ve just compared the hagia Sophia to a 1950s council house and said the council house is better. Either your an SJW who loves the Chibnall eras preachy, obvious not clever way of pointing out issues (meanwhile the Moffat and RTD eras slip things like that in all the time and it was done well. If you didn’t notice it that’s on you). From an objective writing standpoint the RTD era handled things better than the last two show runners did, and Moffat wasn’t bad but he had some issues setting up his overarching season finale compared to RTD. Planets in the sky and journeys end were teased from the start of the season with references to missing planets throughout the season and a cameo of rose Tyler at the start. Moffat made it a lot more obvious as all things and the doctor a bit too big in my opinion. But, he made it work for him and his doctors. Despite the stories narrative style changing and changing the lore in annoying ways, but at least it still made sense! Chibnall does none of that. He drops a hint doesn’t address it for half the season. Then tries to tie it into some other story with nostalgia thrown in so you have too watch it and then it doesn’t make sense and ruins the entire franchises continuity. All of it. Considering this is doctor who that’s actually impressive. Then again, this season is better than the last one. Introduce big bad in the first episode. Don’t address him or tie in Graham’s grief very well at all. Then have him the big bad show up with no explanation as a galactic level threat because space wizards who have made him a God...for no reason...at all...The doctors also meant to funny or she doesn’t work. The Master is supposed to be clever and his relation to the doctor complicated and nuanced after being friends for over a thousand years. A relationship so long and complicated no else understands it. And companions are to do something and something to the show other than ‘I’m a black British person’ and ‘I’m an Asian British person’. Chibnall is a terrible writer and show runner
The Doctor can always be defeated by the scriptwriter, employing villain armor.
Cybermen. Technically in Death in Heaven, the doctor didn't defeat the Cybermen. It was Danny Pink with the controller who defeated both Missy and the Cybermen.
HEY, IT'S DARK IN HERE!
hey, who turned out the lights!
Imagine if the doctor met other villains from crossovers, that might for the doctor's insurance health.
Even if you chucked the Library into a star by changing its orbit, the Vashta Nerada exist everywhere; though I believe it was mentioned that they usually occur in much smaller numbers
Great top ten but with the commentary I thought it was just a little to fast.....just chill man, great voice thought 🤘x
So the time lords are the SCP Foundation of the universe neat
The BBC and Chris Chibnall...
The waters of mars aliens...
Those and the angels that moved when you didn't look.
Messed me up
Thank you for adding Classic Who!!!!