Doctor Who: The Complete Story of 'The Time War'
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“The last great time war is eternal, with no beginning or end.” Literally a few seconds later “So what started it?”
You know...."timey whimey bullshit"
Became eternal is better phrasing
I thought that was humorous myself. Not one paragraph in and already filled with oxymorons.
The time lord's trying to stop it
Thank you. No more
Imagine a single being destroying a large portion of an intergalactic empire just to plant a message of “no more”
Daleks must’ve been shook
DALEKS DO NOT SHAKE.
DALEKS DO NOT .. SHAY KUH.
That's why his first course of action is always to run from his enemies, he knows that if he fights death is the best ending that his enemies can hope for.
like how the family of blood found out when he ran and hid from them he was being kind but they pushed him and experienced his fury
I remember being about 12 or 13 when I first saw the war doctor in the cliffhanger for name of the doctor I looked at my uncle expecting him to know who this guy was and Im telling ya'll i've never seen him looking that shocked at a cliffhanger before
Same thing happened with me and my dad.
What about the nightmare child
@@profhulk167 the nightmare child has never been seen on screen
I was shocked - out my chair shouting "WHAT?" at the TV!!
I’m 42. Trust me, the war doctor rocked my world. You should listen to Big Finish stories (the stories called “Gallifrey” especially) It all comes together in those hundreds of stories. They take doctor who to a whole new level. You’ll thank me, I promise 😃
The funny thing about the 8th doctors regeneration on karn, the novelization of "the day of the doctor" gives more detail. The sisterhood doesn't give him an actual potion, it was lemonade and dry ice. She knew the "warrior" he asked for was already in him. She gave him the "potion" to give him the peace of mind that something external changed him, when in fact nothing changed with his personality.
So... was the "potion" painful because he unknowingly chugged dry ice? Chilling.
@@avalonaura4076 either that or lemonade us poisonous for Time Lords
@@burnedbread4691 given that 12 asks "Clara" for a lemonade while he's telling her the story of his confrontation with Rassilon, this seems unlikely
@@avalonaura4076Nocebo effect probably
@@avalonaura4076it was a placebo effect for him to regenerate, he was as close to death as he’d ever been really, and he was regenerating into a form deep within him, going against his creed and code so perhaps the placebo effect included with that made it painful
The Doctor Who timeline is so messy that writers have to make books and audio series just to connect the dots.
I like how they go back in and weave an overall story, whereas before they just seemed like chronological Doctor Who episodes.
TIme Travel is a bitch to write for
And even then the books and audio books tend to mess some things up as well
The Doctor Who timeline should be officially declared a Jeremy Bearimy.
I kinda like it that way, where if i just watch the show it leaves the war confusing and open to interpretation and imagination
@@kraniumkrack soon that rope turns into a big ball of wibbly wobbly time wimey stuff
The time war is one of those lore additions that was great. One of the best things RTD. There was a sense of things had kept going in that time the show was away and how it easily fit into actions that had happened throughout the show. Really organic and interesting. I wish we had some more on screen time war dedicated stories.
I agree. It was the smartest decision the reboot ever made, and was a logical 'reset' point for the entire story.
Always could have a future Doctor get caught up in some event.
How to do a "retcon" right. Unlike this timeless child crap
Yeah and you get some absolute dumbass 13 stans claiming that the war doctor and time war was unnecessary and that the timeless child was good 🤢
Davies didn't come up with the time war though? Idk why you would think that
This is marvelous. No time/money to get into a lot of this expanded media, but a quick overview like this is remarkable.
Haven't looked into all of the time war stuff but the novel engines of war is a good read highly recommended
Me: When I finish all of Doctor Who what the hell can I do?
The Who Addicts/Big Finish Audio Dramas: Allow us to introduce ourselves
You might be finished with Doctor Who, but Doctor Who sure ain't gonna be finished with you anytime soon.
How do you get big Finnish audio dramas
@@MartialFitness656 I don’t know who the Finnish people can become audio
Start on One Piece. That'll NEVER end.
BatDeGea tbh, if you got to audiobookbay.nl, create an account then search doctor who, you’ll find whole torrents of all of the episodes. Hundreds of gigs. You’ll be busy FOREVER 👍🏻
EPIC tale looking at the entire history, what a mamouth task but such a big pay off with this video. Bravo Matthew!!! 👏👍
Thanks buddy!
The Who Addicts I’m still not getting the alternative timeline we’re 10th Doctor breaks the link and galifrey goes back to ‘hell’ and how this links with the 50th anniversary. Can you explain
@@robertogallo8821 As I understood it, Rassilons plan in The End Of Time was a seperate one from the war councils efforts which they and the War Doctor were not aware of. It was carried out without their knowledge and when it failed Gallifrey was pushed back into the Time War. The War Doctor then activated the Moment.
Damn, this sounds like an actual history video that’s shown in school and stuff( that’s a compliment). Very good job
If its called "The last great time war" how many Great time wars have taken place before?
@The 12th Dimension Two. It is mentioned in a story by Russell T Davies for one of the annuals.
In its time the WWI was called the war to end all wars. War names are tricky that way.
There are some wars that could be considered time wars.
The Millennium war- where time lords along to with various other races (Demons/Osirans/Sontarans/ect) to fight a god like race called the Constructors of destiny.
The Rationalisation- Time lord crusade against magic. (Yes really)
The Gallifrey civil wars.
@@michaelsayavong2656 Not related to my point at all, but thanks for the info anyways.
The War in Heaven, at least
I always prefered the original moment. The Doctor using the de-mat gun with the eye of Rassilon to essentially collapse an entire section of reality, locking it away forever.
It made it feel more personal and why he took to his no killing policy so seriously, he didn’t just steal a weapon, he built it with the full intention of killing billions and did so.
I always assumed that the guilt of such an act actually triggered a regeneration as it quite literally broke his heart to perform such a vile act of aggression, so out of his own nature.
Which is where Eccelstones Doctor comes in. A broken man, still recovering from centuries of war and that he was the greatest war criminal in all of time and space.
hearts* the doctor has two hearts
I think the Time War is an example of better left imagined than explained. I say this mainly due to a line of 10's in The End Of Time which I instantly adored, specifically when he mentions all the other threats of that conflict (The Nightmare Child, The Horde of Travesties, etc) I know in the War Doctor expanded media some of these were flat out "explained" and came across as underwhelming to say the least.
Even then, I feel like coming across as underwhelming might have been the point in some cases. When it comes to wars in general, it's easy to call any given major battle "boring" or "kinda neat" when you're reading about it objectively in a history book. But for the soldiers who were actually there? The horrors that they personally experienced in that battle would be quite literally ineffable. It's like the dark inverse of one of those "you had to be there" in-jokes between close friends.
@generalbutterscotch4887 Also, it's not even that these things are underwhelming. It's that they are fictional and not full-blown horror, wo there is little reason to fear them.
In-Universe however, I'd be absolutely scared shitless of the Nightmare Child. Even if it was just a really big super Dalek (It's not, but I want to prove a point), if I lived in the Whoniverse, I would not get good sleep at seeing the thing devour Davros' ship.
Easily the best example of "Scary In-Universe, Underwhelming Out-of-Universe" is the Abzorbaloff. That thing is goofy af but if it was real, I'd never trust anyone again.
Honestly... I don’t know if what happened on “The Day of the Doctor” is a ret-con. Considering we never saw what he did, and we know he doesn’t remember what he did... for all we know this was always the way it was.
It's considered a ret-con unless you have proof that Russel T Davies planned the Doctor to have saved galifrey. Up until then if you asked the creators they would've said that Galifrey was destroyed, but then steven moffat who planed this alternative perspective.
Ret-cons are real-world authorial actions to modify the history of a story. This was done in-story via time travel, so "ret-con" doesn't really fit. From the perspective of the storytelling, the change to history was performed in the story at the most recent moment (when the 11th Doctor was experiencing it). All the previous Doctors and Gallifrey were in essence the history being meddled with.
I think you're trying to see time in the Doctor Who universe as self-consistent (meaning anything you go back into the past to do, you always were going to have done), but they very blatantly make it not so. This was explicitly changing the way history played out.
Wiberly wobbly timey whimey
So, ret-con, but not necessarily alternate timeline
@@Merennulli The issue I take with this is that it wasn't Matt's Doctor that did this. Wasn't even David's... Any "changes" were made by WD and his companion The Moment. Since the "change" happened BEFORE the event it's easy to surmise that this is what the continuity was from the beginning. It wasn't retroactive but proactive...Narratively speaking. Obviously to us viewers it was retroactive, but within the universe it was proactive meaning there is NO good reason to assume that Galifrey was ever actually destroyed. Especially since such an eventuality was never actually shown in any of the various cannon or even extended cannon sources.
Derek Jacobi makes such a good Master.
Brilliant, the Time war is Favorite part of Doctor who Universe
Same
Got to be the largest scale war in fiction. Great video, Mathew!
@Najawin what was the novel mate?
@Najawin Thanks mate👍🏾
Najawin still lot of Lawrence Miles were 👮♀️ Ed from it
You should read Perry Rhodan for truely epics wars and stuff
The Warhammer 40k fandom may disagree but For all their massive fleets and reality breaking guns i'm certain the Doctor would just tell them "Run"
1,2,3,4- I declare a time war
5,6,7,8- daleks scream exterminate !
9,10,11,12- the doctors dead and silence fell
12,11,10,9- here we go back in time
8,7,6,5 - the doctor is still alive
4,3,2,1- the doctor grabs her hand and Whispers run !
The timelords lived so happily ever after the time war until the master came across it.
@Riley Dwyer 👍
master realy ruin everything
Time travellers don't need prophesies or predictions. They just pop in to a museum or library in the future
Exactly
Maybe they do though? If we take into account “The Angels Take Manhattan”, what ever you read is set in stone.
So what if they travelled into the future, popped into a museum and then read something saying that their side not only lost, but it was a complete devastation?
Now it becomes a fixed point in time, causing the whole structure of time to collapse.
Maybe that’s why both sides had prophecies; to avoid setting anything unwanted into stone.
It's funny to think about how the doctors saved Gallifrey, and then twelve went back ONCE to stop Rassilon and to take over as the president in order to save Clara... and then the Master just committed genocide of the entire species. They were, essentially, saved for one episode and then went back to being permadead. Thanks, Chib!
Eh, Chib’s arc is best forgotten.
Doctor who finish in 2017 for me I refuse to watch chinballs crap
Except that all happened in a parallel universe, after the 12th doctor regenerated he and the tardis fell from the time war universe into a parallel one, and the master either didn't know or didn't care about the fact that he was interacting with the wrong doctor.
Thank you for providing these great guides to the various topics associated with this monumental half-century-and-counting epic saga of space-time. Appreciate your efforts very much.
outstanding video, matthew! the time war has always been one of my favourite parts of who lore
I am seriously loving these “the story of” videos. Fantastic work!
I've seen all episodes available in the last few years. This has been an excellent recap. I love the use of Murray Gold's music as background!
Amazing video! This must of taken ages to create especially at this high effort, loved it :))
Great work mate. Really enjoyed the video. Also love "This is Gallifrey" playing in the background 😉
Absolutely Magnificent. Plenty of stuff here I didn’t know about and your presentation is fantastic. This is probably a bold claim, but this is one of the best videos on the channel in my very humble opinion. Wish I could make videos as good as this.
Loved the detailed narration, great image references, and awesome background music.
That was GREAT mate! Full support from Melbourne, Australia!
Amazing video! Must have took ages to put all that information together so big well done 👏 really enjoyed it and learned a lot I didn't know happened before
I can't wait for River Song as her timeline is all over the place for sure and very confusing to understand so should be a good watch!
Not really. This is just the entire Last Great Time War Tardis wikia. It's edited and updated by fans constantly.
@@MSGSDestiny Difference is though Matthew has presented it in a brilliant format and I'd much rather learn it in a interesting video like this rather than reading for hours and hours on Wikipedia.
Thanks William! And yes, TARDIS wikia is one of my sources of course it is, but it's not my only source! You gotta look a lot deeper for other specific little bits, especially when it comes to ordering the events also, some bits need to be chopped and changed and even scrapped to make the story easy to follow and not boring!
Great video once again. Loving all the content on this channel. Nice to see you take my advice on having the exact story on screen.
This was brilliant! So many parts of this I never knew happened! I got a fuller picture now😊❤
This was bloody brilliant you did a fantastic job on it
First time commenting on one of your videos and man, what an amazing story you just gave out in terms of helping us catch up and not get our heads confused and thinking "diz zhit izzo kamplee-kaytedd!". The Time War history well explained here. You got yourself a suscriber!!!!
Every time I got confused during this, I remember my favourite show is a show about wibbly wobbly time travel, then just roll my eyes and carry on
Excellently done! Bravo! I really appreciate you guys doing this!
I have watched this a number of times. I enjoy it every time.
Thank you!
Excellent! I really enjoyed this. Thanks for posting it!
One of the Best Doctor Who story videos if not even one of the best doctor who videos on youtube
This is one of the best videos on RUclips I love the history of the time war and this summed it up perfectly I subscribed and your channel is outstanding!
Brilliant. Liked this alot. Thanks to all who put it together
Really interesting video!! An incredible amount of information and so well explained!! Brilliant work! :D
Really nice work! Very thorough. Well done and thanks!
That was fantastic. Such a great job!!
This was really well done. I applaud your efforts and greatly appreciate the time it must have taken to compile it all. One thing I'm curious about: You mentioned a sort of treaty between the Daleks and the Time Lords which would be culminated with the execution of the Master. But the Daleks have been hard-wired to believe that all other life forms are inferior, presumably including the Time Lords. So, I think that chances are more than good that this Treaty - should it have come to pass - might have been a ruse to get a small Dalek attack force on Gallifrey itself. Just a thought.
Most likely, or a way to slow tge start to give more time for preparation
that was mind-blowing, breathtaking summary. thank you so much.
Wow this was an absolutely fantastic video! Great job. And I agree that River Song would be a good next video. And maybe the story of the cybermen after that?
Delightful listening to your narration. I knew the stories but they were jumbled in my mind you made it all make sense. :)
I based my art graphics school project on the time war. This would have been so helpful in April and May!😂 FANTASTIC video, you can really see the effort that has gone into this!
Excellent video!Keep up the good work! RESPECT Bro!
Amazing job! Well worth watching.
Thank you for the explanation of the time war. Now the relationships between the characters makes sense.
Loved this video, thank you so much for putting it together, i am not confused anymore .
Wow Thank you for this. Brilliant video.
Absolutely BRILLIANT video my friend
Brilliant video, could you do Torchwood next?
That was great I really enjoyed watching that. You really get a feel for all the history and background that the Doctor won’t talk about.
Awsome explanations, and well narrated!
they made it sounds so incredible, you could easily make an entire series based on the time war
I for one, would definitely like a deeper dive into the lore of the Last Great Time War. A series of videos, an hour long compilation, whatever you decide to do.
Epic video ...it must have taken a lot of work..
The time war has the potential to be a survival horror game or TV show. I would pay good money to be able to witness the events of the time war in a live action film or show or even a shooter game with horror elements as the doctor did refer to it becoming hell, I'm intrigued to what that hell looked like or even a 1st person mmo would be amazing.
Play D&D but throw Doctor Who related things in the game play.
You can't do a first person Time War. The time war isn't fought in linear time.
It is fought with timeloops, branches, paradoxes, and more. Where the impossible timelines that once had been and never were are manifest into unspeakable horrors and turned against the possible. Where possibilities are ammunition and the past is a battle still being waged.
Galaxies sputter and die a slow entropic death. Then they never existed. Then they lasted eternity. Then the Daleks fire on the ember that would become the Galaxy as every species that ever would be born within time travel to that beginning and try in vain to prevent their own unmaking.
@@ghosty918 you know that's why you make multiple sequels. That's like saying you cant make that into a TV show lmao.
@@TheBritishRunner You can't make it into a TV show either, the producers of the show have said they cannot do the Time War justice on screen.
The Time War uses every type of temporal paradox we as Humans have imagined as basic weapons of war, the advanced stuff is beyond our comprehension.
So basically, Life is Strange, Quantum Break, and Undertale (+its spinoff fanworks) don’t exist as time-travel video games? 🤔
Didnt know that, thanks.
Nice work dude thanks
Dude! Amazing! Thank you. 🐻
I've always figured that the events around the Moment in Day of the Doctor always happened that way. Ninth Doctor couldn't remember it clearly after the event, so always thought he did kill them all until the 11th's memories came back.
That was amazing
Thank you
TYSM, i just needed this
Extremely well done my friend.
You have put in a huge amount of work to produce this for us all to enjoy.
Thank you.
what a video Mathew. so much info in there
This is awesome. After watching this video I rewatched the last episode aired which was 'The Timeless Children' and it was even more hard hitting the second time around. Thanks.
This vid deserved 100K views. In fact it deserves 1 million views
I’m really new to the whole Doctor Who thing. And I am so glad that someone is covering the great time war because that is all I have heard them talk about and I want to know more about it. I just started with the ninth doctor, but I’m going to go back on Tubi and watch the originals.
Such a great video!
Could you do one for Rassilon and one for River Song
As a rabid fan of the TV show, I was aware of the audio Who but never listened to it, but now I know that the audio weaves incredible stories that are considered cannon. I'm definitely gonna check out the audio now.
The audio does a better job of linking the bunch of holes tied together by other holes that is the timeline.
Really looks good. Can’t wait until your finished.
This was very helpful thank you.
Russell t Davis: gallifrey falls no more!
Chris chibnal: so anyways I started blasting.
Steven Moffat wrote that episode, not RTD 😅
@@Smakka13420 you get the point. The franchise is forever ruined, so it doesn't matter anymore.
@@keiichimorisato98 It’s not ruined, it’s just in dire shape.
Fortunately this is something Doctor Who has been through before and bounced back from and hopefully it can this time.
I like that you're back on spotify!
Great video, learnt so much, was very interesting and very well made!
Loved hearing about the history of the time war. I would like to see a TV series of the time war, a spin off with what went on during the time war and how it affected time lines. seeing the the war doctor and the war master in action. Also I’d like to know more about the Valeyard and how the Valeyard came about.
That would be the single most epic and convoluted thing ever XD
Awesome thank you Matthew!
Thank you Matthew.
Didn’t know a lot of this .
Love to liv
Fantastic video
Great video you should talk about the Eight Doctor from the movie to the hole of his Big Finish
That was enjoyable. I often thought Genesis was the start of the time war.
Thank you for the video
Based on the analysis presented, the refusal of a Time Lord to commit genocide against the Daleks as they were created may explain their hesitation in killing his regenerated selves. At some level they may respect him, but still fear the power of Gallifrey. Perhaps they even entered the time war predicting that the Doctor would ultimately end it and remove Gallifrey as a threat. Their attacks on earth seem to occur more frequently than randomness would explain. Provoking what they may have prophesied as future actions by the Doctor who felt he was out of options?
amazing video Matthew
Awesome video!!!
This was so impressive. Before I watched this I thought I knew about 75% of whonivers (Classic who ,New Who,Torchwood, The adventures of Sarah Jane..) now I would say that number dropped to 40%.
I really appreciate that Timothy :) took a lot of research, time and editing haha!
29:56 probably should be "Time Lords died", not "Daleks"
Great job!
I was just going to add this comment. You beat me to it. I guess this is how the timewar works :)
Excellent work! I'm glad time lord victorious is expanding on this.
Thanks man
So many good stories from this ingenious idea of Russell's. I only wish "All thirteen!" Doctors had saved the children of Gallifrey, instead of saving the entire planet in Day of the Doctor. I mean, they were said to be as bad as the Daleks, so why save them??
The Doctors could have taken the children to a different, but lost planet. A new generation of Time Lords somewhere out there. But when the Doctor finally finds them, they're anything but thankful...
Shobbogans plus the general’s men incl The war council
Well that was bloody tremendous!
With new plot of Doctor who being so confusing and hard to follow because of bad writing. I seriously appreciate these videos reminding me of all of the great stories that have come from this little British TV program. Great video mate
Really enjoyed this video, The Master stories sound pretty sick, was that the end of Leela!? Any way truly well done!
JIM MUSCLE not the end of Leela.
She survived and later lead a Time Lord unit before getting zapped through time (again) to be rescued by the War Doctor.
The narrator’s analysis is the perfect expression of the horrors of a time war. His recollection of the events of the war differ massively from those presented in the version I have seen in the television series. Why? One might argue this is the result of time travelers seeking to modify the timeline ad nauseam (repeatedly) in order to win the war.
Love these videos, you should make a hypothetical fan theory of what would happen if the daleks won in Journeys end. Their purpose of extermination would be complete, would that start a civil war ? Would be a cool thing to explore in a video
If i had a nickel for every dalek civil war I'd have quite a few nickels