I miss Missy the most. She was at the "love" end of the love/hate axis that all the Masters orbit around, and her redemption and effective death was a fantastically compelling arc.
Fun fact about the War Master/Yana: in the following two parter, the Master explains how he came to be back in this timeline. During the Time War, it was the Time Lords who resurrected him to fight in the war.
@@DrWhoFanJ He said to Rassilon "You did this to me" However there is a Big Finish audio about the War Masters orign and there he says that Rassilon resurected the Bruce Master (who had a much longer life in Audios) and he becam the War-Master, because they needed Timelords willing to end it all...much like the War-Doctor
That was also a previous incarnation before the war master. The war master is the 2nd/3rd incarnation of their second set of regenerations (the numbering depends on how you count the other time war incarnation, who is a child, yep at one point in the time war the master was a child who killed loads of people).
It kinda annoys me when people insult John Simm’s Saxon Master calling his performance ‘over the top’ and ‘unhinged’ and I’m like uh yeah that was the point he was driven insane by both the events of the Time War and the never ending constant drums in his mind it makes sense he’s be driven to being completely unhinged and truly dangerous as opposed to being more calm and controlled
I LOVE John Simm’s Master too! My most favorite incarnation! Second is a tie between Michelle Gomez’s Missy and Sacha Dhawan’s Master. Third is a tie between Roger Delgado’s Master and Anthony’s Master and Eric Robert’s Master
@@adrianbruce2963and if you shorten that full name back down to the initials, it’s a slightly misspelt (oh alright, completely misspelt) anagram of ‘The Master’.
Fun Fact: Though Delgado was the first actor to play the Master, he was never confrimed to be the original incarnation, infact he was never even numbered officially, leaving many to believe (including myself) that he was the Thirteenth Incarnation, who then decayed into the Decayed Master, whilst others place Sacha Dwahan's Master between them.
The Master was granted a "new full set of regenerations" in return for assisting the Doctor in The Five Doctors. This mechanic could have also been used for Thirteen, instead of creating that thrice-damned Infinite Child nonsense. We could literally have a different actor as the Doctor every week now, sheer insanity.
@@xheralt I mean before The Timeless Child stuff happened, the Doctor DID receive a new set of regenerations. That's how Eleven regenerated into Twelve in The Time of the Doctor (the War Doctor and the Meta-Crisis using up two regenerations). So it isn't even clear how the Timeless Child stuff is supposed to work with that. (Also while the Master was indeed offered a new set of regenerations in The Five Doctors, he never ended up receiving them until the Time Lords resurrected him for the Time War.)
Your right delgados version was the last of his regeneration, the decayed one was the same version, Anthony ainley was a possession not a regeneration as was Eric Roberts. The time Lords resurrected the master as they needed a warrior and that was Derek jacobi
@@TastySalamanders An easy explaination for the Timeless child being compatible with the set of regeneration 11 received is that the Timelords had finds a way to stop the timeless child from regenerating past 13 lifes (given that The Doctor was freed from the Division by being turned into the first Doctor) And that the removed this limitation in "The time of the Doctor" by making him believed that he received a new set of regenerations (I hope it's clear, I'm not really good in english)
No way, I wrote my English essay on the Master yesterday (we were supposed to write about our favourite character)! I'm so excited to see the video, only a shame I wasn't writing it today, haha 💗
Two that weren’t included: The Lumiat, which falls between Missy and the Spy Master in the audio stories, and the reverted child version that comes during a the War Master’s tenure.
There's also the incarnation before the war master, who is 8s counterpart. Plus the first incarnation and the unbound master. There's also the curse of fatal death master. They missed out a lot of incarnations.
They m8ssed half the master's known incarnations and half the things they say they don't know what or how it happens have explanations. Other than that yeah it was very professionally written and presented.
Erm you missed out a huge chunk of the War Master from BF. What about the Reborn Master played by Alex Macqueen, The young Master by Milo Parker and Mark Gatiss as the Unbound master?
Hands down the best moment of Delgados master when when he was attempting to mind controle Joe again, up untill that point he is curel and giving her death threats but the moment she resists he swaps to being an absolute gentelman and charming. Perfectly showing how two faced and manipulative he was.
Considering how much like the Saxon Master the Spy Master was, I do have to wonder if he was the direct follow-up to Saxon, with Missy being a later incarnation. As for the one the Toymaker beat, who knows?
Like many other fans, my theory is that Sacha Dhawan's Master is in between Harold Saxon Master (John Simm) and Missy (Michelle Gomez). At the end of The Doctor Falls when Missy kills The Master he regenerates into Dhawan Master. Then at the end of The Power of The Doctor when Dhawan Master is killed he regenerates into Missy.
@@oliverbaxter4952 Yes at the end he uses the satellite to kill the 13th Doctor. That causes her to regenerate. The laser also hits The Master and he is killed when the Cyberman factory planet explodes
@@nickloschen2717 I could swear we never actually see him die? Trust me, all I do is watch Doctor who. He gets the doctor, when she gets in the tardis she's still alive
Dhawan has to be an earlier incarnation, due to the use of the Tissue Compression Eliminator. My theory is he's the one who became the decayed Master from The Deadly Assassin. Or the incarnation right before it.
Big Finish confirms that Dhawan comes after Gomez, and although TV canon takes priority to the EU, Paul McGann name-dropping his Big Finish companions in Night of the Doctor pretty much cements the audios as more a part of the show than, say, Titan Comics or the books.
I remember Matt Smith saying that he wanted to come back to Doctor Who, but as the Master. That would be something that would make me find a way to watch again
I thought this would never happen but after DT came back as a new incarnation of the doctor, I now think it’s completely possible and I would love it! I think Matt Smith would be perfect in the role.
I'm glad that the war master has gotten the chance over the years to tell his story and show his adventures through Big Finish audios. Same with the other big finish Masters.
This video is about the tv/film appearances of the Master. Alex Macqueen never appeared in tv or film. Maybe actually listen to what they say in the video next time.
i was abt to mention the toymaker in the thumbnail but then i realised hes in the tooth :D good video and really entertaining as i have not watched a lot of the old dr whos and i will soon
There is a brief moment in the First Doctor serial “The Space Museum” wherein One hides inside a Dalek casing and, when he pops out later, laughs and says, “ha ha I am the master!” It’s meant to say “I am the master of disguise”, but given The Master’s penchant for disguises, I like to imagine he literally meant “I am The Master” and that he was poking fun at his old frenemy’s predilection for silly fancy dress.
A fun thing to think about is that while you did all of these in show order there is every chance that like river song the doctor is meeting the master in the wrong order. I mean missy’s death was supposedly a final blow she couldn’t regenerate from according to saxon master.
After the Master returned from being trapped in a collapsing pocket universe in Castrovolva I just accept that they can get out of any situation no matter how dire to torment the Doctor again.
I love the 3rd/Delgado and 12th/Missy dynamic where they have opposite personalities, but with the twist that in both cases where the Doctor is highly principled and moral and the Master ever and at times cruel, the doctor is also rather rude and abrasive to people whereas the Master is proper and polite.
For me, I felt that, the Delgado Master was probably the mirror of 3rd, the War Master could've potentially been interesting as a foil or ally to the War Doctor, the Saxon was the perfect mirror to 10th, Missy is arguably perfect as 12th's Master, & the Spy Master was the perfect Master for the 11th Doctor rather than the 13th
I know that, technically, the “Comic Relief” Master/Doctor aren’t canon and more of parody, so I understand that those aren’t included. I also know that it’s questionable as to whether the entirety of Big Fish is canon or not. But, along with additional versions of The Master and Doctor, there is one I’d like to find out more about, but not sure if there is/will be more. That’s “The good Master” in the “Once and Future” series” for Big Ginish. Honestly, I’m REALLY curious about how that one fits in, if at all.
I kind’a think the Delgado Master was Master #11. He caught a virus which ate him away. He regenerated into the next Master on Galifrey. But to no effect, the virus followed him through and Master #12 succumbed to the illness. I say it’s a new incarnation of the Master because, decaying body aside, he looks and acts completely different than Delgato’s 11th Master.
I know this only about the TV shows Masters, but the Dreyfuss Master, the Black Eyes Master and the Lumiat should be on this list. I also love in audio, when all the Masters met at one point and Missy makes the comments about them... SPOILERS (dont read, if you want to listen to it) The reason all the Masters meet is the destruction of the universe and when the other Masters worry about it, Missy, pointing to the War Master, says "Thats because the universe got blown up, by Gandalfs husband over there" A really cool joke about the series "Vicious" were Jacobi and McKellen played an old married couple. Later, when the Lumiat entered the Delgardo master is like "Who is that?" and Missy says "A scene stealing adition" The Lumiat happend, after Missy. When Missy was shot, she couldnt regenerate, so she used the same ritual that created the Valeyard (the evil Doctor) she concentrated all what was good in her, to create the Lumiat an all good version of Missy.
The Master is a sociopath and therefore you can never go wrong in presenting the character with different ways to do evil in order to make themselves look big. Which is what appeals to an actor looking to just let out their dark side. Although the context of the original Master has changed, the evil that he represents in our culture is still present. And sometimes controls things we wish they did not.
The Ainley Master also appears in a BBC computer game (Destiny of the Doctors) which takes place before the TV movie and shows how the Master fell into the Daleks' hands. As it's a video game (and thereby only somewhat canon) I can see why you didn't mention it.
I’ve always head cannoned missy and the spy master flipped in their personal time line with maybe some in between but always with missy’s being the true final death of the master
12:20 This assertion is one of my biggest pet peeves. Tom Baker's Doctor made mention of a Time Lord as "He or she" and I'm certain he made mention of being a mother once or twice, though I can't find that quote so senility is possible. The idea, at least in the show, that Time Lords can regenerate as either gender is at least that old. Though in The Doctor's Wife, Tennent's Doctor found evidence of an old friend and specifically referenced their tendency to regenerate either way. Missy was just a great example on how to do it. Whittaker's Doctor left a lot to be desired on the topic, but i think that was mostly due to extremely poor writing.
They really should’ve made any evil master that shows up after missy be one of their older faces instead of just making them “evil again” they could’ve made it so that missy died good but the doctor is still haunted by missy’s evil past
Was there something in the background of the Disney Doctor Who run. That was in every episode potentially "parked" to hint The Master's return? They do have a Tardis after all.
She missed the war lord/master in the war games with Troughton. The whole cloning knock off tardises is so the master. I thought he'd been accepted as a version of the master retroactively.
Ooohh I totally missed, or just forgot, that Celestial Toy Maker had him incased in a gold tooth. Because the tooth was picked up by what appears to be a woman, when I saw the character "Maestro" later on in the new series, I though that was the master, until she is revealed she's a completely different unique villain, Jinkx Monsoon did a great job as a villain. Also gender swapping the Master as Missy was brilliant and she was well casted and written for.... However I can't say the same thing for Whittaker as the writing was subpar and felt a little forced since it seemed to be more about the Doctor being a woman than having a good story, which isn't what they did with the Missy character.
I think when missy was dying she used the vortex manipulator to go to the toy maker for one more chance, the problem with this is wouldn't she go to karn?.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! I got a lightbulb moment. 💡 The Harold Saxon Master and Missy turn on each other, right? She stabs him, he shoots her. Saxon recites to Missy this cheesy line: "Don't bother trying to regenerate, you got the full blast." Maybe Saxon was convinced that the laser screwdriver shot was somehow efficient enough to kill her without letting her regenerate. We know for a fact that that's possible. It happened to the Doctor in "Turn Left", among others. And he is a scientific genius. Who am I to challenge his line of thought? But... *WHAT IF...?* What if both fell and then Saxon regenerated into Missy? Then Missy sees other Missy on the floor and helps her. Which leads to Missy surviving and regenerating into something else (Lumiat? Spy Master?) instead. This would give Missy's entire arc a whole new perspective, with her very slowly turning to the side of good despite knowing that she will eventually "die" for it. Or... maybe she forgot about it, like the Doctor in the 50th Anniversary.
You've forgotten the best one, Alex McQueen for big finish, as well as several other incarnations of the master. Big finish are canon. I'm a massive doctor who nerd. Again, not arrogant just I know my stuff
No mention of the Fatal Death Master? For shame! Saxon Master didn't kill the US President. He killed the US President-Elect. Meaning he was elected but hadn't yet taken office. The previous President was still President. And the Doctor didn't fix that; he came back and stopped the Master shortly after the P-E was killed. That still happened. Also, the resurrection should count as a separate regeneration of the Master, just like the Meta-Crisis Doctor is a different Doctor than the 10th, and the 14th is a different Doctor than the 10th, and the Spy Master into the Doctor Master.
This channel really needs to research big finish, cause this whole video is we don't know why or how this happens but big finish has explained it. Also this ignores several incarnations of the master, including their first incarnation, the big finish master (who mainly fought the 8th doctor) the child war doctor and the good incarnation, plus the unbound master (who does have some level of interaction with the main timeline). There is also the curse of fatal death master, who is somewhat canon, as all three 9th doctors are.
My favourite is Roger Delgado. However, the first Master was The Time Meddler. He was the monk. And He took place with the first Doctor, William Hartnell.
I still feel that the latter Masters are, in order, Saxon Master, then Spy Master, then Missy. Otherwise Missy's redemption arc doesn't make sense if she then goes back to being a genocidal manic as the Spy Master.
Missy would had turned on the Doctor again even if she did help him in that one battle she was always going to stay bad it's The Master he/she doesn't think of anyone but him or herself let's not forget he has murdered people you can't change a sociopath.
I think one of the better ideas for a spin-off show would be a show focusing on the Master. They could switch the order, have Missy as the most recent, a now redeemed Master, who "somehow returns" (heh Star Wars reference), but it'd be fun, you'd not know if the Master is going to be a little killy, or friendly this specific episode lol
Big fan of the Master, but seem to be the only one who’s not a fan Missy’s “redemption” arc. Her death laugh is a “Yep, you’re right” to Saxon. Let’s not forget the Doctor turns up to her execution, she begs for her life, he throws the switch anyway and locks her in a vault. Cruel and Cowardly.
I really want a retcon that puts Dhawan somewhere in the Master's past, because while brilliant, placing him after Missy really takes away from the growth the character had made in that form.
I utterly hate the Sasha Spy Master!! Amongst the many reasons for that, it's not properly explained HOW heaven exists, if Missy was destroyed by Saxon!! Also, no mention of Lumiat Master, Unbound Master, or Bald/MacQueen Master?
I wish we could just keep one actor as the Master across multiple Doctors these days. Gets annoying for yet another “I’m the Master” with every new Doctor. Although the last 2 reveals nailed it both times.
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I miss Missy the most. She was at the "love" end of the love/hate axis that all the Masters orbit around, and her redemption and effective death was a fantastically compelling arc.
Do you listen to the Big Finish audio”s? She brilliant in that!
@@SchrijverMarcel Yes, I have those. 😀
Missy's death was heartbreaking and the illustration of without hope, without witness without reward.
Fun fact about the War Master/Yana: in the following two parter, the Master explains how he came to be back in this timeline. During the Time War, it was the Time Lords who resurrected him to fight in the war.
I don’t recall that discussion happening in _The End of Time._
@@DrWhoFanJ He said to Rassilon "You did this to me"
However there is a Big Finish audio about the War Masters orign and there he says that Rassilon resurected the Bruce Master (who had a much longer life in Audios) and he becam the War-Master, because they needed Timelords willing to end it all...much like the War-Doctor
@ Misspelled spoilers.
That was also a previous incarnation before the war master. The war master is the 2nd/3rd incarnation of their second set of regenerations (the numbering depends on how you count the other time war incarnation, who is a child, yep at one point in the time war the master was a child who killed loads of people).
@ ouch, that was unnecessarily harsh wasn’t it?
It kinda annoys me when people insult John Simm’s Saxon Master calling his performance ‘over the top’ and ‘unhinged’ and I’m like uh yeah that was the point he was driven insane by both the events of the Time War and the never ending constant drums in his mind it makes sense he’s be driven to being completely unhinged and truly dangerous as opposed to being more calm and controlled
I'd agree that it's a bit cartoonish, though. Comic books have given us an off idea of what "insane" looks like.
I loved Simm's Master, too! ;)
I liked John Simm's master the third most tho.
He's my favourite of them all
I LOVE John Simm’s Master too! My most favorite incarnation! Second is a tie between Michelle Gomez’s Missy and Sacha Dhawan’s Master.
Third is a tie between Roger Delgado’s Master and Anthony’s Master and Eric Robert’s Master
Can we take a moment to acknowledge just how cool of a name Roger Delgado is? It's a name that definitely fit the guy's charisma.
Even cooler as his full name of Roger Caesar Marius Bernard de Delgado Torres Castillo Roberto😮 At least, according to Wikipedia
@@adrianbruce2963and if you shorten that full name back down to the initials, it’s a slightly misspelt (oh alright, completely misspelt) anagram of ‘The Master’.
Fun Fact: Though Delgado was the first actor to play the Master, he was never confrimed to be the original incarnation, infact he was never even numbered officially, leaving many to believe (including myself) that he was the Thirteenth Incarnation, who then decayed into the Decayed Master, whilst others place Sacha Dwahan's Master between them.
He wasn't the first...
The Master was granted a "new full set of regenerations" in return for assisting the Doctor in The Five Doctors. This mechanic could have also been used for Thirteen, instead of creating that thrice-damned Infinite Child nonsense. We could literally have a different actor as the Doctor every week now, sheer insanity.
@@xheralt I mean before The Timeless Child stuff happened, the Doctor DID receive a new set of regenerations. That's how Eleven regenerated into Twelve in The Time of the Doctor (the War Doctor and the Meta-Crisis using up two regenerations). So it isn't even clear how the Timeless Child stuff is supposed to work with that.
(Also while the Master was indeed offered a new set of regenerations in The Five Doctors, he never ended up receiving them until the Time Lords resurrected him for the Time War.)
Your right delgados version was the last of his regeneration, the decayed one was the same version, Anthony ainley was a possession not a regeneration as was Eric Roberts. The time Lords resurrected the master as they needed a warrior and that was Derek jacobi
@@TastySalamanders An easy explaination for the Timeless child being compatible with the set of regeneration 11 received is that the Timelords had finds a way to stop the timeless child from regenerating past 13 lifes (given that The Doctor was freed from the Division by being turned into the first Doctor)
And that the removed this limitation in "The time of the Doctor" by making him believed that he received a new set of regenerations
(I hope it's clear, I'm not really good in english)
No way, I wrote my English essay on the Master yesterday (we were supposed to write about our favourite character)! I'm so excited to see the video, only a shame I wasn't writing it today, haha 💗
Two that weren’t included: The Lumiat, which falls between Missy and the Spy Master in the audio stories, and the reverted child version that comes during a the War Master’s tenure.
There's also the incarnation before the war master, who is 8s counterpart.
Plus the first incarnation and the unbound master.
There's also the curse of fatal death master.
They missed out a lot of incarnations.
Ainley and Gomez are easily in my top 10 favourite Doctor Who actors. They would've made an amazing team-up.
Very professionally written and presented
They m8ssed half the master's known incarnations and half the things they say they don't know what or how it happens have explanations. Other than that yeah it was very professionally written and presented.
Missy is my favorite Master and Gomez is brilliant. So glad she’s in the Big Finish universe!
Interesting that showed 11 at the end. I too have heard the rumor that Matt Smith has expressed interest in playing some version of the Master.
i think he would do amazing
Erm you missed out a huge chunk of the War Master from BF. What about the Reborn Master played by Alex Macqueen, The young Master by Milo Parker and Mark Gatiss as the Unbound master?
I assume they are only doing on screen appearance canon :)
Ellie did say at the beginning, the televised versions of the Master.
Hands down the best moment of Delgados master when when he was attempting to mind controle Joe again, up untill that point he is curel and giving her death threats but the moment she resists he swaps to being an absolute gentelman and charming. Perfectly showing how two faced and manipulative he was.
Considering how much like the Saxon Master the Spy Master was, I do have to wonder if he was the direct follow-up to Saxon, with Missy being a later incarnation. As for the one the Toymaker beat, who knows?
The first master was on his last regeneration. It was why he left Gallifrey trying to find a way to extend his life.
Like many other fans, my theory is that Sacha Dhawan's Master is in between Harold Saxon Master (John Simm) and Missy (Michelle Gomez). At the end of The Doctor Falls when Missy kills The Master he regenerates into Dhawan Master. Then at the end of The Power of The Doctor when Dhawan Master is killed he regenerates into Missy.
He didn't die in power?
@@oliverbaxter4952 Yes at the end he uses the satellite to kill the 13th Doctor. That causes her to regenerate. The laser also hits The Master and he is killed when the Cyberman factory planet explodes
@@nickloschen2717 I could swear we never actually see him die? Trust me, all I do is watch Doctor who. He gets the doctor, when she gets in the tardis she's still alive
Dhawan has to be an earlier incarnation, due to the use of the Tissue Compression Eliminator. My theory is he's the one who became the decayed Master from The Deadly Assassin. Or the incarnation right before it.
Big Finish confirms that Dhawan comes after Gomez, and although TV canon takes priority to the EU, Paul McGann name-dropping his Big Finish companions in Night of the Doctor pretty much cements the audios as more a part of the show than, say, Titan Comics or the books.
Having Matt Smith image while talking to the future of the master interesting
I remember Matt Smith saying that he wanted to come back to Doctor Who, but as the Master. That would be something that would make me find a way to watch again
I thought this would never happen but after DT came back as a new incarnation of the doctor, I now think it’s completely possible and I would love it! I think
Matt Smith would be perfect in the role.
I'm glad that the war master has gotten the chance over the years to tell his story and show his adventures through Big Finish audios. Same with the other big finish Masters.
I can’t believe the Shalka, child, and *checks notes* a good tooth Master got mentioned over Alex Macqueen’s brilliant portrayal at BF
This video is about the tv/film appearances of the Master. Alex Macqueen never appeared in tv or film. Maybe actually listen to what they say in the video next time.
Alex Macqueen is my favourite Master, he’s SO GOOD in the role!
@@brewster_4the title says "EVERY" Master, it doesn't specify TV.
@@tomhyde9938 But if you actually watch the video they very clearly state that they're only covering the Masters that appear on TV/Film
Not even an honourable mention for either Big Finish Master Alex Macqueen or Gina McKee shame. Macqueen definitely deserves to pop up in live action.
i was abt to mention the toymaker in the thumbnail but then i realised hes in the tooth :D good video and really entertaining as i have not watched a lot of the old dr whos and i will soon
There is a brief moment in the First Doctor serial “The Space Museum” wherein One hides inside a Dalek casing and, when he pops out later, laughs and says, “ha ha I am the master!”
It’s meant to say “I am the master of disguise”, but given The Master’s penchant for disguises, I like to imagine he literally meant “I am The Master” and that he was poking fun at his old frenemy’s predilection for silly fancy dress.
@7:33 You forgot the 1999's "The curse of fatal death" master and his estupendous Dalek Bumps!
Also, the first Doctor's female regeneration!
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No one can touch Roger Delgado. That being said, you HAVE to love Missy. You can't not love Missy. Michele Gomez was absolutely amazing in the role.
The war master is another amazing one who comes close.
A fun thing to think about is that while you did all of these in show order there is every chance that like river song the doctor is meeting the master in the wrong order. I mean missy’s death was supposedly a final blow she couldn’t regenerate from according to saxon master.
Antony Ainley liked to be The Master so much that in his answering machine recording he portrayed The Master.
After the Master returned from being trapped in a collapsing pocket universe in Castrovolva I just accept that they can get out of any situation no matter how dire to torment the Doctor again.
I loved the spy master…I would not mind seeing more of him someday…
He gets his own Big Finish series next year.
I love the 3rd/Delgado and 12th/Missy dynamic where they have opposite personalities, but with the twist that in both cases where the Doctor is highly principled and moral and the Master ever and at times cruel, the doctor is also rather rude and abrasive to people whereas the Master is proper and polite.
For me, I felt that, the Delgado Master was probably the mirror of 3rd, the War Master could've potentially been interesting as a foil or ally to the War Doctor, the Saxon was the perfect mirror to 10th, Missy is arguably perfect as 12th's Master, & the Spy Master was the perfect Master for the 11th Doctor rather than the 13th
Great video 👍
I know that, technically, the “Comic Relief” Master/Doctor aren’t canon and more of parody, so I understand that those aren’t included.
I also know that it’s questionable as to whether the entirety of Big Fish is canon or not. But, along with additional versions of The Master and Doctor, there is one I’d like to find out more about, but not sure if there is/will be more. That’s “The good Master” in the “Once and Future” series” for Big Ginish. Honestly, I’m REALLY curious about how that one fits in, if at all.
I kind’a think the Delgado Master was Master #11. He caught a virus which ate him away.
He regenerated into the next Master on Galifrey. But to no effect, the virus followed him through and Master #12 succumbed to the illness. I say it’s a new incarnation of the Master because, decaying body aside, he looks and acts completely different than Delgato’s 11th Master.
I know this only about the TV shows Masters, but the Dreyfuss Master, the Black Eyes Master and the Lumiat should be on this list.
I also love in audio, when all the Masters met at one point and Missy makes the comments about them...
SPOILERS (dont read, if you want to listen to it)
The reason all the Masters meet is the destruction of the universe and when the other Masters worry about it, Missy, pointing to the War Master, says "Thats because the universe got blown up, by Gandalfs husband over there" A really cool joke about the series "Vicious" were Jacobi and McKellen played an old married couple.
Later, when the Lumiat entered the Delgardo master is like "Who is that?" and Missy says "A scene stealing adition"
The Lumiat happend, after Missy. When Missy was shot, she couldnt regenerate, so she used the same ritual that created the Valeyard (the evil Doctor) she concentrated all what was good in her, to create the Lumiat an all good version of Missy.
Alex Macqueen's Master from the Audios is amazing and deserved a shout out
What about, like ,ALL the big finish masters and the two comic masters
The Master is a sociopath and therefore you can never go wrong in presenting the character with different ways to do evil in order to make themselves look big. Which is what appeals to an actor looking to just let out their dark side. Although the context of the original Master has changed, the evil that he represents in our culture is still present. And sometimes controls things we wish they did not.
The Ainley Master also appears in a BBC computer game (Destiny of the Doctors) which takes place before the TV movie and shows how the Master fell into the Daleks' hands. As it's a video game (and thereby only somewhat canon) I can see why you didn't mention it.
Missy is an interesting character.
Thanks
Thanks for the support!
I’ve always head cannoned missy and the spy master flipped in their personal time line with maybe some in between but always with missy’s being the true final death of the master
Derek’s first master probably looks more like the war master unless it was a really young version with a goatee
I'm still caught up on DT being a "manic pixie dream doctor" you what?😂😂 Has this been a thing or did ellie write that??
Look up "Manic Pixie Dream Girl;" except in this case instead of Girl it's The Doctor.
The TCE first appears in Terror of the Autons
12:20 This assertion is one of my biggest pet peeves. Tom Baker's Doctor made mention of a Time Lord as "He or she" and I'm certain he made mention of being a mother once or twice, though I can't find that quote so senility is possible. The idea, at least in the show, that Time Lords can regenerate as either gender is at least that old. Though in The Doctor's Wife, Tennent's Doctor found evidence of an old friend and specifically referenced their tendency to regenerate either way. Missy was just a great example on how to do it. Whittaker's Doctor left a lot to be desired on the topic, but i think that was mostly due to extremely poor writing.
It was Matt Smith's Doctor in The Doctor's Wife :)
They really should’ve made any evil master that shows up after missy be one of their older faces instead of just making them “evil again” they could’ve made it so that missy died good but the doctor is still haunted by missy’s evil past
Was there something in the background of the Disney Doctor Who run. That was in every episode potentially "parked" to hint The Master's return? They do have a Tardis after all.
I was thinking "wth's this thumbnail?!" Then i remembered Masty's stuck in the toymaker's tooth...😂😂😂😂
She missed the war lord/master in the war games with Troughton. The whole cloning knock off tardises is so the master.
I thought he'd been accepted as a version of the master retroactively.
Ooohh I totally missed, or just forgot, that Celestial Toy Maker had him incased in a gold tooth. Because the tooth was picked up by what appears to be a woman, when I saw the character "Maestro" later on in the new series, I though that was the master, until she is revealed she's a completely different unique villain, Jinkx Monsoon did a great job as a villain. Also gender swapping the Master as Missy was brilliant and she was well casted and written for.... However I can't say the same thing for Whittaker as the writing was subpar and felt a little forced since it seemed to be more about the Doctor being a woman than having a good story, which isn't what they did with the Missy character.
I think when missy was dying she used the vortex manipulator to go to the toy maker for one more chance, the problem with this is wouldn't she go to karn?.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait!
I got a lightbulb moment. 💡
The Harold Saxon Master and Missy turn on each other, right?
She stabs him, he shoots her.
Saxon recites to Missy this cheesy line: "Don't bother trying to regenerate, you got the full blast."
Maybe Saxon was convinced that the laser screwdriver shot was somehow efficient enough to kill her without letting her regenerate.
We know for a fact that that's possible. It happened to the Doctor in "Turn Left", among others.
And he is a scientific genius. Who am I to challenge his line of thought?
But... *WHAT IF...?*
What if both fell and then Saxon regenerated into Missy?
Then Missy sees other Missy on the floor and helps her.
Which leads to Missy surviving and regenerating into something else (Lumiat? Spy Master?) instead.
This would give Missy's entire arc a whole new perspective, with her very slowly turning to the side of good despite knowing that she will eventually "die" for it.
Or... maybe she forgot about it, like the Doctor in the 50th Anniversary.
Saxon regenerates while going down and elevator and made it to his tardis so he never saw missy
Not sure how accurate the title is considering that it misses out at least 6 incarnations of the master.
Missy was a very interesting character.
You've forgotten the best one, Alex McQueen for big finish, as well as several other incarnations of the master. Big finish are canon.
I'm a massive doctor who nerd. Again, not arrogant just I know my stuff
NO!!RIP,Roger Delgado.😞
decayed master? nah that's crispy
R.I.P. William Hughes. Tragically taken from us too soon.
No mention of the Fatal Death Master? For shame!
Saxon Master didn't kill the US President. He killed the US President-Elect. Meaning he was elected but hadn't yet taken office. The previous President was still President. And the Doctor didn't fix that; he came back and stopped the Master shortly after the P-E was killed. That still happened. Also, the resurrection should count as a separate regeneration of the Master, just like the Meta-Crisis Doctor is a different Doctor than the 10th, and the 14th is a different Doctor than the 10th, and the Spy Master into the Doctor Master.
If the master can do all this to avoid death, so can the doctor. The doctor just refuses
This channel really needs to research big finish, cause this whole video is we don't know why or how this happens but big finish has explained it.
Also this ignores several incarnations of the master, including their first incarnation, the big finish master (who mainly fought the 8th doctor) the child war doctor and the good incarnation, plus the unbound master (who does have some level of interaction with the main timeline).
There is also the curse of fatal death master, who is somewhat canon, as all three 9th doctors are.
I dont think that we've had a bad master since Anthony Ainley
I have nothing against John Simm, but, Roger Delgado was the best Master.
one SPECTACULAR character
Hi, is your thumbnail correct? Didn't Neil Patrick Harris play the toymaker and not the Master?
Sacha Dhawan should be in this thumbnail, knowing he’s in the tooth is not enough
I’ve been watching since Tom Baker became the Dr. and I have to say that Missy was the best Master there ever was
Um...aren't you forgetting the Big Finish Masters that Night of the Doctor made canon?
My favourite is Roger Delgado. However, the first Master was The Time Meddler. He was the monk. And He took place with the first Doctor, William Hartnell.
I think you have that wrong. The Meddling Monk is a timelord, but not the Master. Never has been.
*The IDEAL actor for the NEW MASTER is CHARLES MESURE* (Martin Chatwin/The Beast from The Magicians)
A CLASSIC MASTER... Not a clown
Is it the same hand that picked up the Master's ring?
Niel Patric Harris was not a master ( time lord )he was a god the Toymaker
Not the absolute dis on the Master showing him as the Toy Maker’s gold tooth on the thumbnail
Missy was my favorite
You left out The War Chief
Matt playing the master would be crazy. I still think 14 is the Valeyard. Having both face 15 would be crazy.
I AM THE MASTER
NPH is The Toy Maker
Did anyone like The 13th doctor? I feel like it’s not talked about a-lot, is it the writing or ,acting or is it just the actor who plays the 13th
I don't think Toy Maker was an incarnation of the Master.... did i miss something when this was implied ?
I still feel that the latter Masters are, in order, Saxon Master, then Spy Master, then Missy. Otherwise Missy's redemption arc doesn't make sense if she then goes back to being a genocidal manic as the Spy Master.
It's almost like Chibnell didn't understand the show, the characters, or the story arcs. XD
@@eshbena he was so busy leaving his mark on the show I don't think he cared
Missy would had turned on the Doctor again even if she did help him in that one battle she was always going to stay bad it's The Master he/she doesn't think of anyone but him or herself let's not forget he has murdered people you can't change a sociopath.
OMG: the dying Master who lost to the Toymaker could be either Sacha's master or MISSY!!!
Can''t you hear...the drums?
Lord president sent a psychic message through the time vortex, implanting it in The Master as a sleeper program to save Galafrey from the time war.
6:28 LIQUID SNAKE?????
I think one of the better ideas for a spin-off show would be a show focusing on the Master.
They could switch the order, have Missy as the most recent, a now redeemed Master, who "somehow returns" (heh Star Wars reference), but it'd be fun, you'd not know if the Master is going to be a little killy, or friendly this specific episode lol
Your missing the big finish versions
NPH is the Toy Maker, not the Master.
Big fan of the Master, but seem to be the only one who’s not a fan Missy’s “redemption” arc. Her death laugh is a “Yep, you’re right” to Saxon. Let’s not forget the Doctor turns up to her execution, she begs for her life, he throws the switch anyway and locks her in a vault. Cruel and Cowardly.
I really want a retcon that puts Dhawan somewhere in the Master's past, because while brilliant, placing him after Missy really takes away from the growth the character had made in that form.
1970s and 1980s dr who are the absolute best. 1990s is a close second.
I actually consider the Doctor Spy Master has an incarnation of the Doctor
me too
Can never get enough of Ellie.
Vote Saxon!
Thanks to this video I noticed when Missy gets zapped by herself she briefly resembles the skeletal form of the crispy Master!
Great video about the Marster
You skipped Dark Eyes Master?
I utterly hate the Sasha Spy Master!! Amongst the many reasons for that, it's not properly explained HOW heaven exists, if Missy was destroyed by Saxon!!
Also, no mention of Lumiat Master, Unbound Master, or Bald/MacQueen Master?
I wish we could just keep one actor as the Master across multiple Doctors these days. Gets annoying for yet another “I’m the Master” with every new Doctor. Although the last 2 reveals nailed it both times.