DODGE SALESMAN DEFENDS MARK UPS AND CHALLENGES ME TO DEBATE
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- In this video I share a message I got from a Dodge salesman defending mark ups and wanting to debate me about their legitimacy as market forces when selling Dodge Challenger and Charger Scat Packs and Hellcats.
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What a shocker!! A guy who makes extra money by ripping off consumers is defending the practice.... LOL. And they wonder why they have such a bad name.
You are correct. Real estate is an appreciating asset, cars are depreciating liabilities. It is not even in the same ballpark.
With all the interest you will end up paying double the price of the house 😂 it’s a straight fact.
I hate this argument no one buys a car thinking of it as an asset you should think of it as having some fun😂
The 2008 housing bubble would disagree.
There are rare exceptions, when FORD reintroduced the GT40 Limited Edition for $100k, those lucky/smart enough to get one doubled their money on delivery...
I’ve been watching your videos for a while. I’m in real estate with my wife. She started in that down market…lots of short sales. I had a loaded Scat Pack in 2017. It was a great car, but I sold it when my kids started driving.
Recently went to look at another and was told they were giving 10-15% off just before the end of the year. Sat down and when it got down to where the rubber meets the road, they came in over 6k above MSRP. It was a decently optioned car, but wasn’t a wide body either. It was quite offensive, the dealership’s sales manager thought that I was that stupid. Needless to say, I walked and didn’t even make a counter offer. I live in a military town, and sadly, I think they will sell that car to some unsuspecting Soldier…
Also, you earned a new subscriber.
That sucks dude. Sorry to hear that. Same exact thing happened when we went to by my daughters Supra last year. The dude said “my friend, my friend” so many times I thought he wanted to move in with us. When we got down to the numbers he tried to slide in $2500 in add ons. I told him to remove them and he took $500 off and at that point my wife and I told him he was not “our friend” and we walked and bought one from another dealer. It’s exhausting how they just assume everyone is stupid until they find someone who falls for it.
As someone in the military I’d say that’s a very safe assumption, young enlisted guys love chargers that are way out to their price range for some reason.
Imagine that, a greedy salesman defending mark ups! Who would have thought!
Well said! Dealerships have been using every trick in to book to fleece their customers in the 50 plus years I have been buying cars.
My old next door neighbor had a 1971 Hemi Cuda convertible with a 426 hemi. It originally had the 340 six pack, but he swapped the motors. So even though it wasn't technically one of the super rare cars, there weren't that many of these on the road in 1987.
You are doing a great job exposing those greedy POS , thank you!!!
The Hornet is a disaster, with the longest number days of supply (506). If you don't like mark-ups, forget Hemi Chargers and Challengers. Dodge marked up the MSRP and unless they come off MSRP by 10%, you're paying markup.
The 10 houses vs. 10 hellcats comparison is 100% spot on when it comes to generating wealth.
My favorite year of the Cuda, glad you checked it out and had me laughing because I would have done the same thing. Getting distracted for that is worth it!
Another great video, thank you for always being transparent. 🙏🇺🇸
Every dealer that I've purchased a specialty vehicle from always tries to push how rare the vehicle is and how much it'll appreciate to justify a mark up. The truth is specialty vehicles will depreciate @ a slower rate than something mass produced, but it will depreciate. I always keep this in mind when purchasing and always break even or have equity come trade in time, dont let emotions cloud your judgement
The hornet on a good day is worth 20K at best!
I agree $20k entry and topped out at $35/$36k All in with everything that can possibly be thrown at it
No guy will ever buy a hornet. It’s a teenage girls first baby SUV at best. As women they would have better taste then go for cheaply built, garbage 4 cylinder 😂
I have owned many new cars over the years and I can honestly say that in my experience all car dealerships no matter the brand are pretty much scumbags and I'm sure most people feel the same
We have a dealership in NY that has three 170 with 150k mark ups every scat every HC Durango they have has big mark ups every ram 3500 has mark ups it’s unreal
That Cuda was awesome. Thx for checking it out.
Really good point about the difference in prices v interest rates.
the greed always get their just due ,maybe not today, or tomorrow ,or even next week ,but soon!! very soon!! We only hope that we hear about ,that is our just desserts
What? Greed is good? Trickle down economics? A fool and his money are soon parted? There’s No justification for markups. I’m more interested in knowing why Stellantis isn’t showing products at the upcoming auto shows
Thats the big news. Depressing though too
Because they aint got none to show
Cool 😎. Good stuff Brad ! Did you see Kevin Van Voris Demon 170 ? Have a friend here building a 170 ( also black ) also .
Excellent video!
Love your vids and I’m a GSM at a CDJR dealer. I’d love to do business with you in the future. You’re spot on with your vids. During COVID, lots of dealers put on addendums, I didn’t understand it nor liked it. We did not, and we sold a ton of cars due to this. I knew and so did my owner, it would come back to haunt dealers. And it has…
So many insanely cool cars in California, like that Cuda . All seem so well kept. Even the Bug looked to be in good condition.
I had so many comments about people that paid in full for a car, and then couldnt get their money back after stealerships sold their car when it arrived.
Hell, I bought somebody's car, and didnt know about it until I post it on a FB group. Talk about feeling like dirty and trash.
This has broken so many hearts, and the markups biggest secondary effect is increasing their desirability on the black market. So many cars were stolen, and once that happens, we lose a brother. Its too bitter, and I cant blame them for never wanting to get back into Mopar. It was hell just editing, having to go over things, and remember all the sad stories, that I may even move away from Mopar videos for a while.
Lol that's so illegal. Anybody with a brain would get their paper back..
New subscriber here, love your videos!
I'm wondering if you can help me understand something. So there's a dealer here selling a Dodge w a 100k markup my buddy posted on his fb. And I was wondering, if these are msrp of 125k, plus another 100k markup, how are banks financing these? Are dealers expecting the 100k as a down payment? Because insurance companies will cover what the vehicle is worth, not what you paid, and banks know this as well. If you could clarify what the process was that would be awesome!
Keep up the fantastic content.
Cars can always be made, but land, well, there's only so much of it.
Great Video!!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ I have a buddy that worked in car sales for over 25 years. He stopped working for dealership and now works for his self doing car deals at any dealership now. He know ALL the bad stuff that dealers do to customers but now he doesn't work for them and he works for the customer. He gets the best deals and best rate's, if the dealer won't give deals he tells you to walk. He is really good, he gets paid by a fee he charges in which is so cheap compared to what dealer is going to charge. He knows dealership can't lie to him because he knows the books and tricks they do. He loves to help people that just don't know how shady these dealerships are. Great video! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
You're the man you tell it 😂 like it is
Finally a proper spec Demon 170! What I mean by that is you didn’t throw $10k “out the window” and order it with a sunroof (pun intended). I gotta subscribe for that reason alone.
On top of the incredible content a one of one 71’ CUDA out of nowhere!!!
Way to go OC..
I love the Tim the tool man references.😇
This video really opened my eyes. You are absolutely right.
Not too long ago, I bought a Mercedes-Benz, and I felt for it. Now, I am paying an overpriced car.
I tried to go to the Dodge here in Tampa and told me the exact story you are telling in this video.
Not only that, both Mercedez and Dodge noticed that I am a veteran and said that a good military discount will be placed on. Just $500. I understand it is discounted, but it's not worth it
The bottom line is that I have over priced car and I would never see the day of when I can get my dream Dodge.
Good job, and thank you for sharing the video.
I hope that one day I can get some advice with you before getting my Dodge Challenger. Semper fi; Semper Fortis. Navy Fleet Marine Corpsman
Happy to help when you’re buying your dodge. Just message me on instagram DM 👍
@@ocmotivator Thank you so much. I tried to trade my 2022 E-450 for a Dodge Challenger six-speed manual. I will write you right now on your Instagram. So I can get some advice from you. Thank you again.
Dealers trying to get all they can. Dodge is done for in 2024. They got nothing to compete with the Mustang. I believe they may have something in 25 but 24 looking weak
Dodge is done. What do you mean by that? Lol
@@aaaaaaab11 I mean they got nothing so far for 24.
Great video
Pretty cool cuda’
Did he leave the windows open and go into store?
Funny how life has a way of humbling us like that. Yeah, I've been through it too. 😂
Lol please bring this guy on 😂🤣😂 I need some entertainment
That is such a beautiful ‘Cuda. Let your freind know about my 70 ‘Cuda please OC I love his car too
You're forgetting - Dodge did this on purpose, and it is the second time they did it - the same thing happened with the 2018 Demon. They completely support and endorse the dealers screwing their customers. There is no legitimate reason why they couldn't build thousands more Demon170's to make sure everyone who wanted one got one at MSRP. They build 60K challengers per year, even with running the plant for 2 shifts instead of 3, and closing the plant down multiple times per year. It takes the same amount of time to build a Demon as it does any of the other models.
I’ve been looking at some local dealerships and noticed my local Mac Haik has some really good deals posted online. Do you know if they are a good dealership or not?
I guess I’m lucky enough to do business with a Dodge dealer that doesn’t mark up their cars. I have a 24 Durango HC on order and it’s MSRP changed by Dodge and the dealer is still honoring the original price.
I’ve seen other Dodge dealers near me markup their cars an insane amount, and then say “oh I can save you 10k today if you buy it today”. lol
You are correct that Challenger Hellcat Jailbreaks are being advertised below MSRP. Here is one example in Lexington, Kentucky, at Freedom Dodge. Originally, MSRP $85,540 now $77,900. That’s a $6,640 drop.
Guess i grew up harder than most folks. I expect the seller to want the highest price possible and use every advantage possible. In return i do my research, pick out all the flaws and use every advantage, to lowball as much as possible. Everybody exaggerates a little, everybody slings a little hogwash, and its all part of the game. Sometimes you get wrapped up in the moment and take a bad deal. Then you go out there and grind to get a good deal on something else.
So my question you would be. What do you think about the markups on f150 raptors and broncos
Word !!!!!
I curious and please feel free to correct me but if you arefinancing any car and the Dealer has a markup over MSRP how do you get financing? Isn't financing based on the value of the car?
I’ve never even seen a hornet😂 but my dodge dealership is a bit shady so I don’t even go to them to get serviced
Hey oc what happened to your new video that came out today? I was watching it then it stopped and then said this video is private
When this is all said and dne, i fully expect many dealership groups to be gone, out of business, and broke. I also expect major law suits against the dealers, employees, and manufacturers. Some lawyer with nothing better to do will get a class action going and there will be so many tens of thousands of people piling in, it's going to be EPIC. Anyone who paid over MSRP for a car is foolish. Cars are a straight up depreciating asset 99.5% of the time. And guess what, they depreciate FAST and hard in almost all cases.
If I go in to a dealership to purchase a vehicle and on the window of the vehicle it says market adjustment or they want an additional amount over MSRP I walk out there is no way I will pay it! They have to sell vehicles to stay in business I don't have to buy them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t understand the fact some of these clown dealers say “oh well, the car is rare is why it’s so valuable” for me they are saying this to someone with a 1 of 50 made drag pak. I paid 0 over. Makes absolutely no sense. I was hardcore mopar but the demon 170 thing has really put me off.
Curious what 1 of 50 drag pack car do you have?
We have a 2015 drag pak 354 they are a full drag car we have several videos of it up on our channel.
We have a 2015 drag pak 354 they are a full drag car we have several videos of it up on our channel.
We have a 2015 drag pak 354 they are a full drag car we have several videos of it up on our channel.
OK that was a perfect example of a car that's going to go up in value.
Id have to blackout those red and orange fender reflectors... ive always hated those..i know they have a purpose....just always bugged me.
I have the tint and was gonna do it this weekend but ran out of time. 👍
A 🏡 house is a appreciation asset 😂 I bought mine for $300,000 with a 4% and by the time I’m finished paying it off I would have payed total $650,000 😂 and if I sell it, I would get $350K. It’s the BIGGEST DEPRECIATION ASSET BRO. Yes a few will hit JACKPOT but most will not. Real estate will fuck you up more than what little a car will do when you add up the math😂
And you must be a car salesmen by the sound of your grammar and insane example. You left off the tax benefits, you forgot that once you pay it off you live for free other than taxes and maintenance, if you rent it out you collect income for the rest of your life, based on history, all you have to do to net more money is wait longer. Based on your logic you should rent? Ok, so just $2000 a month for 30 years is $720,000 and you literally have nothing to show for it and will have paid off the landlords house. I have a duplex right now that costs us nothing to own and the mortgage is being paid off by the tenants. It cost $600k to buy 10 years ago and now it’s worth $1.1 mil and it’s 1/3 paid off by the tenants. Honestly, you are so beyond lost with your thinking that it’s frightening that you could even formulate a coherent sentence with such flawed logic. When I retire my wife and I will have a min of 2 properties paying us $8000 month in rent both of which were paid off by someone else. This year we will buy one more probably in the desert for $600k and rent it out for the payment or even a bit more and let that tenant pay it off for us. When we die we will leave several million dollars in hard assets to our daughter where she can take the $10k month in income or sell them and buy 20 hellcats. 🤣
Bro you got cooked harder than katt williams cooking on the shay podcast 🤣. You a weirdo thinking a house is a depreciating asset.
@@ocmotivator I can’t believe he actually typed that in your comment section. 😳
Like I said in my sentence a few will hit jackpot referring to you and a few others but how many millions of other Americans understand how to profit from that system? The truth is it is slim. And you sound like a 60 year old bald headed 5’6 cry baby 😂
Did you get the email to configure Cybertruck yet?
The Chevy Trax (evaualivent to a Hornet) is literally half the price and twice the features to offer
They charged me over 85% Mark up on a Demon 170. I had to give them both of my Last Call Challenger Wide Body Hellcats jailbreaks that I just ordered this year. I just order both of these this year from another dealer. So I traded in both of my cars plus 30,000. I really wanted one bad so I did it. I don't think it was right. I'm very happy with the new car but not the way I had to buy it.
I bought a 2022 Scat Pack with 700 miles. I wanted a widebody, but this car was priced right. Should I buy the OEM widebody conversion? It's under $5k with correct width wheels and tires.
Don’t the wide body’s have basically the same suspension as a Hellcat or at least some similar parts opposed to the regular body?
Let’s be honest, all of the salespeople are doing the same thing. I ran into the same thing at Toyota buying my Supra as many dealerships in St Louis wanted $10k over for the mt models. If they are willing to do that to you on the sale of your vehicle, just imagine what their service department will do to you!!!!!
My banana yellow 340 4 speed fac posi Demon ,would have given him a run.. Had the wing, hood stripe Best car i owned till now..Callanger some how kept heavy front with long hood.Roof line, i think im drivin a Cuda. 1970 debue of Cuda was something else.Big spotlights in the sky and packed showrooms in Modesto
A local dealership here in Vancouver Canada firm on 350k Canadian for a 170. WTF is this BS?
I had one clown tell me that a 20k markup on a manual Challenger is a great investment because these cars are going to skyrocket. I didn’t even bother to reply.
I know a guy bought a demon in 2018 and paid 10k over sticker 99k and now wants about 200k for it so why it’s ok for customers trying to make 100k on the challenger but dealer’s can’t make money on some specialty car? The average dealership has about 80 employees and they all need to get paid at the end of the month , now when it comes to demon everyone thinks MSRP it’s fair but on other cars isn’t and want to pay less than sticker, you get my point 😎
Dealers are hiding inventory and claiming “low inventory “ as an excuse for mark ups
Worked at a motorcycle dealer for 3 1/2 years and let’s just say the sales guys were actually the dumb ones because they would come ask me what certain bikes were…. I’m glad they let me go tbh because I was gonna quit regardless 😂
The Hornets OR Tonale’s suck. When we replace our current small SUV. We are going Honda, Toyota, or Mazda.
It’s not just shady dealers that mark up. It’s also shady buyers that flip. If people are willing to pay then so be it. If people are NOT willing to pay then so be it. At the end of the day, the market will decide what the price is period.
💯 fact. People flipping and flexing on dealers.
im not crying if the manufacturers sell direct to the consumer... manufacturers have service centers to address repairs and warrsnties... dealers go away...🎉
I spoke with a Sales Manager at the "largest Dodge dealership in the country". The guy told me flat out that, " Dodge can't do anything to us about the mark-ups".
No dealer in Cali will consider less than +100 ADM 🤦🏻♂️
A hellcat now is only about 30k less than I paid for my humble house in 2003
saw a $250,000 mark up on Demon 170
cuda guy, he didn't if know you where in a Demon 170
Markups? Why Dodge dealers have a shit load of inventory, personally I'm waiting for the fire sale in April and May.
wow
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ These dealerships and salesmen are jokers!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Using context clues I’m going to guess this is Huntington Beach CDJR lol. LA’s CDJRs must be some of the worst in the nation but I think they may take the cake.
I don’t believe for a minute that is a $35,000 car I would think 30,000 is just a little bit too high
Arrr ARRRarrr ARRRRR NICE CAR ❤
Its not the fact people dont want the hornet its just people know they cant afford it with the markups. Im the kindda guy that would love it but 30k+ mrkups end up making it a 40 45k vehicle when i can get a 2013 mustang 5.0 in my dream color for that price. But i will not pay v8 prices for a L4 or a V6 car 😂
If the dealers didn't markup certain cars the flippers would be doing that. Unfortunately, that our current reality.
MSRP is already a markup. I custom ordered my Scat Pack in 2015 for 5250 under MSRP. Who ever is paying these mark ups is not smart.
Some men make life decisions and get into money pits and debt just to have little quick moments like @7:47
Land ,something they are not making more of
I think that guy wanted to do an interview with you so he could get on your channel.
A “rare” cars value was always dictated by the secondary market not retail. Just go ask mr 1 of 1 cuda how much his car originally sold for at retail….
And a new hellcat is not worth 90,000 I was going to buy one about 2019 until the crap hit the fan now that I’m ready I’m not paying that kind of money for a Dodge
It’s supply and demand on a product that’s a ‘want’ and not a ‘need’ so I have zero issues with markups. I mean if people are stupid enough to pay msrp on a dodge which has one of if not the worse depreciation in the auto industry, let them bury themselves even more and let dealerships make their money haha. As I said, it’s a ‘want’ and not a ‘need’. If there are people willing to pay above msrp = it’s a free country. Ferraris and lambos at times go for 100’s of thousands of dollars above msrp lol
Your time is too valuable to waste on a punk like that
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Wow , don’t ever by a car from that guy , investment my ass . You will have to wait 20 , 30 years we want to drive our Mopar now , but not at those mark ups !
Sounds like these dodge dealers are effing around and fixing to find out.
You lost my attention to the Cuda, WOW
For the kid that lost his job because he was honest with you about markups you should put that dealership on Blast like you did for the service member and Mac Heik Dodge. I mean you did cost him his job and a pep talk make it right? Just saying use your platform to help the fired salesman that helped you.
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Judging from the salesman's spelling, sentence structure, language my guess is he's not that bright. He's doing financially well at the moment because of situations you mentioned but I suspect when things change his world may come crashing down similar to what you experienced early in your career. The fact that re didn't respond to your last post gives me hope there is some brain matter between his ears. I really don't see any point in you debating / interviewing him, don't see a lot of positive in that discussion.
Thanks for a great video. I'm amazed the Barracuda guy didn't realize you were driving a 170😀
Cuda was cool... but every Boomer's classic is "1 of 1"... Though I think 'vette owners are the worst. 😀
😂 ain’t that true.
The Dude was Brainwashed by the Trainers, that's the Problem, Cars unless there was only 10 to 50 made forever will not be appreciating any Time Soon, I would NEVER Buy a New car as an investment especially if it was going to be Driven!
The dealer that sold the demon to another buyer for more money instead of the military guy who ordered, is exactly the same as the home builders 2 years ago had contracts with buyers then broke them. The people with a binding contract and home was a week from closing had it broken sold to other people leaving the original buyers with nothing and life screwed up.
The builders and dealerships are one in the same they gladly screw customers for their financial gain. Thankfully 3 people got fired at the Dodge dealership in Flowood. May karma meet any business that screws buyers over.
Ya. Good point. The home builders played some nasty games for sure too.