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Game lost its identity. MMOs....action games....weird divergents of the atb system...no world map....badly executed narratives...and more....

Am still confuse this was gonna be the world that lightning created after she became the new god right

I like Final Fantasy, but I won't buy inferior hardware (PS5) just to be able to play it. I just bought Intergrade and I like it, but if I had known it was a trilogy and the second part would come out on PC at an unknown time, if at all, I wouldn't have bought it.

I think it has more to do with us than FF. When I was young my imagination filled in the gaps more. But as you get older and the games get more detailed, less is left to the imagination and so, less fulfilling. Same with story telling, you begin to be less and less surprised by certain “plot twists” because you’ve absorbed so much already. This is also why they stop making games for the original fans and instead shoot for younger audiences, they are easier to wow.. My children when they were younger rather play with the box than the toy in it-then the toy rather than the box- then the tablet rather than toys.. It’s sort of a natural progression. NOT ALWAYS, but definitely a factor.

It already did.

Anything that becomes popular and mainstream loses prestige. It happens.

Final Fantasy lost its prestige almost 10 years ago.

If they, 1. Make FF17 with more of a free gameplay (not just too many cutscenes and hand holding) 2. Remake FF6 , they could make a comeback

Yeah it’s peaked and it’s never turning back the clock. People just don’t care about Final Fantasy anymore. Square had thrown everything at the wall for over 20 years now and all they get are diminishing returns.

Imma be honest , that number in front of the title does not do it favor. If someone doesn't know about how FF works , they'd think there are 16 games they need to play. The franchise struggles to pull in new fans , older fans will slowly but surely either grow too old to give a shit , or not feel the need to play every new entry , because for them its the knowledge that these games AREN'T connected that might nudge them towards just skipping a title "for now". The decrease in quality (i still like 15 and 16 but come on), shift from setting trends to following them , lack of iconic and unique imagery and world building the way ff6 to even 13 had , and specially lack of multiplatform launches are just the dressing on top. I fucking love the ff7 remake , but it just highlights how square seemingly can't come up with another banger setting like 7 anymore, even though they did it until the recent decade, even versus 13 had a unique setting

All they have to do is dump their exclusivity, move to real time combat as the main games while having spinoff turn based final fantasy games. You expand the potential audience while having goodwill with the turn based fans which will give them more motivation to try out the realtime games.

Final fantasy hasn't been interesting to me since 10

It sucks already. I hated and wasted time on rebirth.

It’s not FF it’s SE that’s changed and the Audience. I’m no longer a teen and I want more grown stories with better writing. And the biggest problem for me is all enemies are literally boss level hp so I’m just attacking a sponge or wall

i'd say u got a little late to the party bro, FF lost its prestige somewhere around the early 2000's lol, last good ff i remember is 9, oh and 12 too for sure, everything else they've been doin is crap. EDIT: 7REMAKE is cool

The exclusivty is baffling honestly. They could have sold so much more and reached other players just making it for everyone.

Final Fantasy 14 is that big seller?

It lost its prestige by 2013. I’ve been praying for consistency for so long I’ve given up. Ff7 rebirth is the closet thing to Final Fantasy quality

Yes. Because technology caught up. We arent pushing graphic fidelity anymore. We are in the age of pushing ideas again, because every game can be graphicaly amazing eith the widespread tools available to devs.

no

Final Fantasy peaked at VI.

Its because while yes they transitioned to real time combat and i loved the idea of, but they gave literally every enemy hyper armor so it feels like you are swinging at a wall every fight

As much as I love FFXV and all of it's multimedia content, I think that's a huge reason as to why the series started seeing a relevancy decline. Now don't get me wrong, the game sold incredibly well and depending on the source it's often listed as the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best selling entry in the series but it's also one that burnt a lot of people out. The thing is, if you're as invested as I was in the FFXV multimedia, then its story is awesome but regardless of that the storytelling itself is an absolute trainwreck. The game was rushed out the door to meet deadlines and it clearly shows. Even at launch, to get a better understanding of what's going on you had to watch an anime miniseries and a feature length film. But all that still wasnt enough to fill in the story gaps, so they released 4 character centric DLC expansions episodes, an anime OVA, a multiplayer expansion, and bonus content from the Royal Edition of the game . Even then, there's no linear way to approach all this content so to get it correct as far as chronological order you'd have to be hopping back and forth between the game and those individual pieces of media. With that in mind, when the multiplayer expansion failed to get a decent playerbase, all that sunken money meant that future character DLC expansions had to be cancelled and instead be released as a book. The message from consumers was clear: "this is overwhelming to keep track of and I'm ready to call it quits." It's sad because I personally think a lot of this content is excellent at fleshing out the story and characters of FFXV but it also arguably should have been a part of the base game in the first place. And if they had delayed its launch by about 6 months to a year, that couldve definitely been the case. The idea of Final Fantasy as an anthology series means that anyone can jump in on any particular game and not be lost, so when XV said that you have to jump through hoops to get the best experience possible I think that left a bad taste in people's mouths and made them lose trust in the series. Tl;dr-FFXV's multimedia content helped flesh out the story and lore of the game but made for a convoluted experience that caused fans to abandon ship.

No, we've got some of the best games they made with FFVII Remake and Rebirth and even FFXVI. Fans are just stuck in the past and hate change.

I feel FF games have become more and more generic starting from 10. The series have lost it essence. If SE changed the title of FF13 to ABCD and deleted some superficial signs like Shiva or chocobos, I wouldn’t have known it was a FF game.

i'm personally really optimistic about the next mainline. i had a few issues with XVI and Rebirth but they were still so good, i'm sure if they listen to the player feedback of both games and continue on the line of what XVI was they can make an amazing game. and i feel even *more* confident since they intend on making it multiplatform now: surely a release on switch 2 will impact development positively. at this point they can either go AAA again or go back to ATB pixel art games like yoshi-p suggested, any direction is fine as long as they aply feedback from XVI and Rebirth

Nah, ffxiv, ffxvi, ffviremake and rebirth are pushing the bounties of what is possible in a video game, same as the series always did, if there was a moment FF was not prestige it would be ff12-13

I think what caused the decline for FF is the lack of backfeed of Square Enix itself. The change of era and the change of platforms and conventions put them in a rough spot. And as someone said in this company, there's too much pride inside this company. For instance, they were so ambitious with FNC but they executed it poorly. They wanted in made engine, showing off their technical dominance, but made struggling the development of 3 whole games ( versus 13, 14, 13 itself). In result : versus 13 was scrapped, 14 launch was a mess and had versus 13 team focus on 14 then, 13 was a good result but it took a lot of risks so it became hard for some to enjoy it though it's a great game but divide people, own pov in the end. Then 15 had to take on some of ideas of versus 13 but losing its core and soul in the process that it became a good game but not what expected at all so a lot of disappointment. They've made too many mistakes during the ps3-ps4 era and that's the company's fault. They wanted to be so ambitious but they forgot that they were in denial and needed to get back feed and thinking more seriously how to get things done correctly.

Sony is a sinking ship and SE still wants to cooperate with them. This is quite mind boggling to me. And I'm afraid I can't agree with you on the creative part. One painstaking problem with JRPG is the extreme anime/JRPG tropes plaguing the game design/narrative. People still play rpg this days needs either deeper more immersive experience or very unique stylized experience. And I think final fantasy is falling to deliver neither. Players just won't care about your world building or lore if your story arc is just predicable anime/JRPG tropes.

I think it boils down to 3 factors: 1. The quality of the games has just not been up to snuff with previous entries since the PS2 era. The characters and stories have grown less memorable and the writing is simply not as tight as it once was. 2. The games haven't grown up with their audiences. I'm in my 40s and have been playing these games since my teens. I absolutely felt a shift in my perception of FF games once it moved from 5th to 6th generation consoles and started taking advantage of the technology of the PS2 and later. Aspects of the writing and direction that worked well during the 2D era and on PS1 just didn't once you moved into the era of cinematic gaming with fully voiced characters. And while the series has slowly improved in that regard, people my age, who lost touch with the series around the time of XII/XIII just haven't felt convinced enough by the new entries to come back. I also can't speak for everyone, but I'm also no longer interested in games that rely on heavy naked exposition for storytelling. My preference these days is for FromSoft-style less-is-more writing. I'm also a big fan of Baldur's Gate 3 and Larian's style of writing, but I just get the sense that Final Fantasy games are still trying to cater to an audience a generation or two younger, which doesn't have the same emotional connection to past entries. 3. I think people are just sick of a lot of the business decisions Square-Enix has been making in the past decade. It goes beyond console exclusivity. I think the fact that they were all in on NFTs in games until everyone realized that NFTs were a big scam, and their use of AI-generated content has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Falloff began at 13

Squaresoft is wheret it at,when it became Square Enix,it die slowly years after.

this video seemed cool at first but about half and I can't see your point, you gotta get to the point and not just talk numbers because I was interested, not bothered by your voice or anything, could have gotten subscribed as well, but after 8 minutes of numbers and "I'm sing numbers as a tool to my point" which never came, I gave up. Sorry

no its not

They should go back to the roots. Make a roundbased Battle System. Cut the edginess.

Rebirth was a pretty lame FF7 theme park to me. Square has been chasing trends since 13 flopped and they got cold feet. I didn’t like 13 but having played it again just last year my mind changed. But yeah, FF isn’t what it used to be.

It already did. Because it peaked highly and made us expect that. Most of the games where above average and some where milestones. All of a sudden everybody wants milestones all the time. Ff7 to ff8 is the example.

Im still playing original ff7 on steam. 7remake was a insult in story perspective. Both rebirth and 16 exclusive to playstation(I dont have one). Idk its looks pretty understandable why ff going down for me. Edit: I didnt buy ff7r after seeing that changes. And probably i am not only one. At least others could be choosed to dont buy rebirth after those.

you're so quiet i can't hear a thing you're saying even at max volume..

I've removed about 30 seconds from the video, as an eagle-eyed viewer pointed out I made a mistake and mislabeled the sales of Final Fantasy XIII as 11 million (total FFXIII trilogy sales). The solo sales for Final Fanatsy XIII as of the last update were 7 million. There was a section discussing the XIII trilogy cut from the video to shorten it, and I ended up forgetting to adjust the sales numbers in the final edit. I didn't want to leave this mistake in the video and mislead people, so I cut it out entirely.

FFXIII didnt sell 11 million, it sold 6.9M. The 11M number its for the entire Final Fantasy XIII series ( FFXII + XIII-2 + Lightning Returns)

I was baffled to see how little people cared when FF XVI came out.

no sakaguchi and Nobuo Uematsu? bad writting ? fanbase getting older ? no turn based? put all that back again = profit ? squareenix should hurry up nobuo and sakaguchi arent getting any younger!! ☹

I would say it lost its prestige in the XIII days, And XIII did not grew the franchise at all, yes it was the biggest launch at the time ( normal considering how video game sales exploded in the 2000s ) but it has still yet to outsell X or VII and right now what is happening is that FF IP is losing remaining popularity which has been stagnant since over 20 years now. ( while overall the popularity of story heavy rpgs has actually grown larger ) Blaming being console exclusive does address a little bit of the issues, but even if Remake and XVI had released on all possible platfrom at launch, the sales would not have been greatly different, XV sold 5 million first day, with both xbox and ps4 but it took it almost 6 years to sell another 5 million, when God of war and Horizon zero dawn have both outsold XV by over twice the copies sold in the same timeframe ( both games selling half of what XV did at launch but outselling the lanuch sales by a staggering 3 to 1 in less time and still only on ps4, this is before their PC release. My point is that their new multiplatform apporach is not gonna make much difference, instead of 3 million launch is gonna 5 million and lifetime 10 million at most when the competition is selling 3 times as fast and longer too. I personally believe the reason is twofold 1 FF has not innovated or felt unique enough in a long while, compare XV, remake, rebirth and XVI to Witcher 3, God of War, Elden Ring and most recently Baldurs gate 3 from a technical standpoint and the FF games are a tier below. 2 the storytelling of current FF single player games, its also a tier below the games ive mentioned, even its best executed story which is arguably the VII remake games are marred by a apporach of having your cake and eat it too, trying to be both faithful but also new, ( I personally find XVI to be my favorite out of all these recent FF games by far, but that game has so many issues with its story execution ) Valhalla made 1 billion in microtransaction, there is no sales data, so is not a good metric to compare to unit sales.

I'm just gonna say I am GLAD Tetsuya Nomura was replaced as director for FFXV. Every game he touches has unneccesary confusion and Organization XIII hooded motherfuckers for whatever reason

Long Story short it took as little as possible from the source material as possible and tried to make it into something new.

Imo ffxv design was too bad to fit the story. And looks like versus alredy have it too. Boysband and roadtrip in rural America? It 90' dream, like supernatural show. In 2010 ppl expecting hot/cute/strong girl harem. Epic story if second half doesn't fit beginning. That why so many players resigned after few hours. And even that who finishes as i, agree with Valkyrie profile dlc 'how square make dlc 1h subquest more interesting than this in main game'

There was no adaptation. The show runners had a story they wanted to tell. They simply use an existing IP to cater to a built in audience. They didn’t care if that audience hated the show. They made some elements look like halo. It was never halo.

we didn’t get the epic FFVXIII trilogy nomura wanted us to see, but in a way Nomura and Square never really abandoned the idea of an epic FF trilogy that merged a lot of games into one, they are doing that right now with the FF7 Remake Project, releasing a trilogy of games that happen into one universe where multiple old and new games take place, also they are releasing side games and books to complement this and it’s having success. maybe FFVXIII died, but the idea and spirit of it never did and it’s more alive than ever with the FF7 Remake project

Came out. I come back to this video on my jogs cause of the music. I made myself some promises with this video. I think I accomplished them. You should make another ff7 video.