Impressive! The Supra 2.0's acceleration is equal to my 2015 Mustang GT Premium. I've been thinking about trading up to another coupe. The Mustang is my 6th coupe, and I've never owned a sedan. So many good choices out there!
Toyota is the largest automotive manufacturer in the world, they don't need BMW to build a Supra. They have more than enough money to make a sports car. They just don't care and don't want to. See the GR Yaris for when Toyota actually wants to try. You cant even roll sown a window when drivin this because of the wind buffeting issue. That's why I don't car about this "Supra" which is outdone by a better 2 series where actual engineering went into it.
@@DrBrainrape in toyos case they'd be putting down more money since they'd have to make the chassis,engine,and etc by themselves while Nissan has the engine,trans,and platform set up for them to make a new Z. So toyos the one putting more money down and more than likely inflating the cars price in the same segment as the Z with the mk5 more than likely being way more expensive than it currently is if they did make it themselves.
Im one of those that dont care if is a bmw under the skin, if is a 2.0 255 hp or doesnt have adaptive damper, if i could i buy one in a heart beat and would enjoy it so much because is a cool and beautiful car.
I’d get the 2.0. Can’t enjoy 380 HP in the 3.0 without tickets. And dealers are marking down the 2.0 sometimes $4k. And no one can tell the difference. It’s a beautiful car.
The problem with this car is that it doesn't look or feel like a Toyota. I think the BRZ/86 works because both companies are Japanese and have been connected for years. This has a completely different aesthetic than what Toyota would produce on their own.
I see what you mean now that you pointed it out. The badge engineering of certain components on the Supra (steering wheel with Toyota logo for example) make it seem like it was a low effort job. On the exterior it seems as though Toyota had it's way with some BMW influence. Of course you can also tell it is built much differently than other Toyota's since the Supra is made in Austria, plus BMW loves to use Torx & other more specialised screws/bolts/nuts/plastic fasteners under the hood and around the interior if you start poking around and notice little details.
@UCcHBHpah6VVmAZk-5xOB9Zg The Miata and the 'Fiata' are somewhat better distinguished together because Fiat is already known for small stylish little cars and the Miata just happens to be part of that category of car, making it philosophically more compatible in that sense. I'd actually argue that more effort was made to make the MX-5 & 124 Spider better separated apart from each other because the Fiat 124 uses the 1.4L MultiAir Turbo vs the Mazda SkyActiv motors. Both engines have a totally different feel. Plus the 124 Spider was modified extensively to make the 1.4L MultiAir fit in and work, alot of engineering effort. The exhaust manifold on the MultiAir engine is on the driver's side meaning that the exhaust pipe that connects to it actually bends around underneath the oil pan and front subframe to the passenger's side of the car and then connects to the catalytic converter and exhaust system from there. The Mazda SkyActiv 2.0L/1.5L has the exhaust manifold on the correct side, nothing special needed to bend around the oil pan/subframe. That is just one example of how Mazda went through massive engineering to make the 1.4L from Fiat work in Mazda platform.
Most complaints are about the transmission and price and most are like oh a mustang or corvette are cheaper or the same old its a bmw comments yea they're cheaper and there are better options but it aint no supra. its like liking a singer you like a lot, you like the artist because you like the way they sing their melodies their vocal range yes there are better singers but that one artist is what you groove with people just like to talk
Em I the only one thinking they should have changed the facia and called it the Celica? Like they did back in the 80's . Would have made more sense to have the Celica name on the 4cyl and Supra on the 6cyl.
Wait for Nissan Z debut. I know about wheel noise coming from road, wheel well, or tires - riding as a passenger in a brand new C7 Corvette. No noise separation in the C7 rear passenger area, either.
@@noonesbusiness959All of the above! Tire, wind, road, etc. Performance tires can be noisy during operation. I had a 2013 370z Touring with Sport Package. You had to yell to have a conversation with your passenger. 2 seat coupe hatchbacks have no rear partition or seat, so more outside noise comes through. On a rainy day, it sounds like a running shower behind you.
I still think they could had redone the Lexus RC or IS with 2 doors to make a supra. The parts bin was there, 3.5 is a decent motor and TT variant is in the LS500. I mean GTR is a v6 now when it was an inline 6. If I wanted a BMW it is going to be a M2 with a stick shift, which feels like a better deal for nearly same price is 3.0L Supra with more power.
Let's hope the next Supra will be a Mazda with an inline 6 that's either naturally aspirated or turbocharged. That would be awesome. It might not be a Toyota but it's a Japanese Supra again and that's a huge bonus.
It’s nice but it doesn’t have the performance, features, or space of a Model 3 and yet it’s 800lbs heavier than a Miata. It’s hard to justify at $45k because you can either grab the Miata for over $15k less and canyon carve the twisties or jump into a Tesla and enjoy the gobs of instant torque. You’d really have to be a Toyota/BMW fan for what is offered here.
First, it's 43k. If you're going to quote a number, make it the right one. Two, you are comparing all the pro's of other cars to the con's of this one, no wonder 'you'd have to be a fan'. 3rd, I think you have to admit this car his some appeal to you because you just watch the video didn't you?
Well, the Model 3 does have a back seat, so I guess that's something - but it's not someplace I'd want to put an adult. The Tesla offers acceleration, if that's your priority.
I have the 2.0 and here are my only gripes (otherwise it's an awesome car): The exterior A-pillar gathers micro scratches very easily. Wireless Apple CarPlay is not full screen. There is no hatch open button on the exterior body. No option to add heated seats. The car is so much fun and has more than enough power for my daily driving needs.
You did a great job of explaining the cooperation with BMW. At end of the the day It’s a Great looking car which performs really well. BMW interiors are not a bad thing either, the 4cyl is plenty fast enough to get you in trouble with the law.
If the seating surfaces are faux-suede, can we assume the bolsters are leatherette? I seem to remember that is the general vibe... you go lower cost as you move outward....
Great review as always. I bought the 2.0 and love it. You are correct: actual HP has been measured at 280hp and torque at 306ftlb by others on you tube. Question: what did you use to measure the 4.5 0-60 time?
Toyota is doing so many great thigs right now, but they made absurd mistakes on the 2.0T. The brakes are an absolute joke, they show EXTREME fading, look up CarandDriver Lightning lap, quote: "The small calipers eat brake pads and rotors for breakfast. Temperatures rise, braking zones lengthen, deceleration weakens, and stabbing the left pedal becomes as useful as dropping anchor over concrete. A few hundred feet after posting our fastest lap we found ourselves racing into Turn 1, smashing the brake pedal and pulling-up on the electronic emergency brake. We ended up in the grass" That's absolutely inacceptable for a Supra! How could they decide to put shut sh*tty brakes on a Supra??? They will fade on a mountain pass!
That's true. I would guess they spent less than that here as these cars are not as important as say a new Corolla or Golf. They also used existing engines and transmissions and infotainment systems.
4 speakers and no heated seats for 43k? Brakes that don't stand up to sporty driving? Are you kidding me? It's fine to charge more for more stuff, but I feel like they have broken the car deliberately to coerce you to spend.
Brakes that don't stand up to _track use_. That's not the same thing as sporty road driving. Look at how quickly tires wear out on a track and it's not surprising brakes overheat.
In Europe, we get heated seats in even in the "pure" edition. Also, brakes are fine for advanced road or highway use. Have never felt underbraked and I do not use my car on tracks. Still, for the 9k I saved buying the Pure edition, you can get a very decent set of 19 inch wheels of your own choice, strut tower braces and even a custom brakes and sport suspension. That is, if you were to try and make a track tool out of it.
I like this 2.0 Supra a lot! Just the right amount of sport, value and power seems like. Also - to be fair, an EcoSport with a 2.3T EcoBoost engine might actually be fun lol. EcoSport ST! They might have actually sold a few more of them had they made that haha. Great review!
Umm sorry Alex but it is not a 2 seat roadster. A roadster, by definition, is an open 2-seat vehicle. The Z4 is a roadster. As with all of your reviews I really enjoyed it. I was wondering though if you could also test the Z4 with a manual transmission to get some idea of what a manual Supra might feel like. I, too, would choose the 2.0T but would really prefer to row my own.
@My Pets Power I can't put down is wasted, but I love that Z's cockpit...perfect for a bigger/taller guy. It's amazing the amount of choices that are now available.
I agree with Mr. Miller that there aren't many in the Bay Area. Limited availability, dealer markups, and there are many coupe choices in that price range. Annually in the U.S., Toyota/Lexus sells about 7,000 coupes (86's, Supras, RC's, LC's). Ford sells that many Mustangs per month, about equal to Prius sales.
Alex, Did you say some people consider this BMW/Magna Steyr Supra to be an abomination? I don't think they are being very fair to abominations. Toyota just built a from-the-ground-up, high performance car ENTIRELY on their own, it is called the GR Yaris. Collaborations are fine as long as Toyota is building the cars with their own parts ie Suzuki Across and Swace.
I've had the car for about 3 months and my only gripes the wind buffeting, only apple car play yea you can connect your Android devices but Google play would be a great addition, and no handle bars for the passenger and driver to get out the car there's a tick to it I've gotten it but a couple of family members tend to grab on the top of the car or the door Nice additions I'd appreciate: customization to dash, customization to the I drive system, better cup holder placement,and a slightly bigger glove box or bigger door panels storage compartments bcz I don't use it because it's too small
So if Nissan rumored base price for the 2022 Proto Z is $35k and a V6 and Manual Transmission it will SLAY Supra Sales from the Word Go....And if say the Sport Touring is $42-45k and Nismo $53-55k BMW/Toyota will be Just Hurting
Hey Alex, do you know if the safety features being standard is still true as of the 2023 MY? Toyota's comparison tool indicates otherwise but many reviews of the earlier models share the same information you did.
Needs a manual SUPRABAD!,,,, now more than e er with the Nissan 400 z coming especially if nizzan can stay no more than $10000 more than the outgoing models meaning around $42000.
I don't get why anyone would not like the new Supra. The 2.0 is plenty. Less mass over the front wheels. I could really care less what happened before, but what is going on now and tomorrow. If you don't have 200 million to start a new platform, forget about it. That is just to start. I am concerned how much these parts will be since they are BMW parts mostly. But still I like what they did here and I could get along with the 2.0 just fine. Everyone else's mileage may vary.
It is ugly. The vents are fake. The cabin is claustrophobic. You can’t see out of it. You get BMW reliability instead of Toyota reliability. You can’t get a manual transmission.
Toyota really screwed up with this one. This is not a Toyota it is a BMW I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. Shocking how Toyota would take such chances with the halo name of Supra
The mark 4 supra turbo was (adjusted for inflation) about $80k. That’s probably about how much it would cost if Toyota made it themselves I’m happy with the 50k price tag of the 3.0
As a former owner of a 1968 MGB I would choose the 4 cyl engine. A sports car should be as lightweight and balanced as possible and not be overpowered. I also am a fan of the Honda S 2000 and the Mazda MX5. They are just plain joyful to drive.
Okay but do you still have to take them to bmw dealers for maintenance or is toyota actually able to service them now? If toyota is actually able to maintain these things on their own then I'd consider it a toyota. I know at launch that was an issue
Great review...wonderful car. I do have to say, having owned BMWs, their infotainment system doesn’t look futuristic or as flashy as most, but I’ve found it to be the most logically laid out and intuitive system I’ve used (Including Porsche’s PCM, Audi’s MMI, Acura’s crappy system, Mazda, Honda, Tesla, Mercedes, and Toyota). Agree the ACC could be better to engage, but that’s about it. Between the Z4 and Supra is a tough one, but I’d probably get the Z4. I’ve driven the Z4 (both versions), but not the Supra. But, for my driving style..commuting and cruising (no track days), the Z4 would fit my lifestyle better. I did find it a bit stiff for an every day driver though. Wish it was a bit softer. The modes don’t really change it much.
I don’t believe these companies they can still make these cars alone, even at a lost because of the limited production, simply as a tech showpiece and to get you in the showroom to buy other more practical cars. With Gmail and Honda and others this is forced by governments which are forcing electrics on these companies and canceling pipelines etc. It’s all preplanned.
I miss the fun cars the Japanese makers used to bring out. The Honda Prelude, Acura Integra, RSX, Mitsubishi 3000GT, Toyota Celica, Supra,... I feel they've gone boring, and turn the sedans into pseudo fun cars
@@rudfil - There is still a fair bit of crossover in those demographics. An American buyer who would've considered a Supra if it had a manual might move to a Mustang or Camaro instead. I'm one of those crossover buyers. I've had everything from 90's RX-7's and Supras to Hemi Chargers. If it's got speed, I'll give it a look no matter what it is.
I would definitely wait for the Z35 considering it will be offered with a 6-speed manual gear box. If they don't go crazy with the price or weight it will be a winner. Plus even with that retro 240Z grill everyone complains about (which I think will look fine in another color, just not yellow) the styling inside and out is immensely better than the new Supra, but then again I think the sleeker Z32 looks better than the bubbly mk4.
Although Toyota claims the Cayman to be the main competitor to the new Supra honestly the car to compare it to is the new BMW M2 Competition. The M2 Comp in slightly more expensive than the Supra 3.0 Premium but it’s more powerful and offers a manual transmission. At the moment considering both have similar powertrains you could say the new M2 Comp in that respect is more of a Supra than the new Supra unless Toyota gives the Supra a manual transmission option which they should have done from the very beginning.
@@Jaahhhnnnn I respect other journalists like Camisa but I made that conclusion way before Jason's video. Apparently like minded people can share a logical opinion, who knew?
Still can't figure out why the 2.0 can't have a 6 manual trans... The 2.0 Z4 has the option!
Because Toyota doesn’t want to pay for the regulatory work required (EPA testing, crash testing, etc.)
You just did...there needs to be a reason for the Z4 to exist and it’s a nice way for BMW to distinguish the Z4.
Toyota is going to release updates to the supra every year to try and keep sales up. A manual is inevitable
GR86 could make Supra's 6MT and 2.0L redundant.
BMW m2 6 speed stick, 405 hp nearly same price as Supra 3.0L premium
Love the dedication to the trunk comfort index
7:35 Alex has a sandwich in his pocket
7:45 Sandwich = pressed
I chuckle and give a thumbs up every time the trunk starts closing
Being in California, Alex should add an "Illegal Immigrant Smuggling Index" to trunk comfort Index....
No comment on the widespread wind buffeting complaints?
I own the MK5 Six. Buffeting easily fixed with a ten dollar part attached under each side mirror.
Impressive! The Supra 2.0's acceleration is equal to my 2015 Mustang GT Premium. I've been thinking about trading up to another coupe. The Mustang is my 6th coupe, and I've never owned a sedan. So many good choices out there!
Trunk comfort index stated as 4/10 but displayed as a 5/10
I'm with you, Alex. If it were my money, I'd get the 2.0 as well!
Nailed the trunk comfort fit 😂👍
My brain wants to focus on the video but the slow pan backwards non stop is driving my eyes crazy lol
How did you come up with the 4.5 second 0-60 time?
Toyota is the largest automotive manufacturer in the world, they don't need BMW to build a Supra. They have more than enough money to make a sports car. They just don't care and don't want to. See the GR Yaris for when Toyota actually wants to try. You cant even roll sown a window when drivin this because of the wind buffeting issue. That's why I don't car about this "Supra" which is outdone by a better 2 series where actual engineering went into it.
Even cash strapped Nissan is making a new Z and they’re not rebadging other manufacturer’s cars
@@DrBrainrape in toyos case they'd be putting down more money since they'd have to make the chassis,engine,and etc by themselves while Nissan has the engine,trans,and platform set up for them to make a new Z. So toyos the one putting more money down and more than likely inflating the cars price in the same segment as the Z with the mk5 more than likely being way more expensive than it currently is if they did make it themselves.
Im one of those that dont care if is a bmw under the skin, if is a 2.0 255 hp or doesnt have adaptive damper, if i could i buy one in a heart beat and would enjoy it so much because is a cool and beautiful car.
The only Toyota that will break down in 5 years
I’d get the 2.0. Can’t enjoy 380 HP in the 3.0 without tickets. And dealers are marking down the 2.0 sometimes $4k. And no one can tell the difference. It’s a beautiful car.
After almost 4 years of watching your videos, you're still the best car reviewer I've ever seen. Amazing job. :D
Alex you accidentally listed the EPA mileage for the 3.0 6cyl the 2.0 4cyl is 25city/32hwy/28comb. Good review though. Cheers
The last standing legendary Japanese sports/super cars are now NSX, GTR, Z, WRX and Miata.
subi?
@@jesseflores9087 True, I forget about Subaru.
@@trent7080 Type R??
Paint job named "no passing line yellow"?
They should've never made a 2.0 Version
The problem with this car is that it doesn't look or feel like a Toyota. I think the BRZ/86 works because both companies are Japanese and have been connected for years. This has a completely different aesthetic than what Toyota would produce on their own.
How does a Toyota look and feel
I see what you mean now that you pointed it out. The badge engineering of certain components on the Supra (steering wheel with Toyota logo for example) make it seem like it was a low effort job. On the exterior it seems as though Toyota had it's way with some BMW influence. Of course you can also tell it is built much differently than other Toyota's since the Supra is made in Austria, plus BMW loves to use Torx & other more specialised screws/bolts/nuts/plastic fasteners under the hood and around the interior if you start poking around and notice little details.
@UCcHBHpah6VVmAZk-5xOB9Zg The Miata and the 'Fiata' are somewhat better distinguished together because Fiat is already known for small stylish little cars and the Miata just happens to be part of that category of car, making it philosophically more compatible in that sense. I'd actually argue that more effort was made to make the MX-5 & 124 Spider better separated apart from each other because the Fiat 124 uses the 1.4L MultiAir Turbo vs the Mazda SkyActiv motors. Both engines have a totally different feel. Plus the 124 Spider was modified extensively to make the 1.4L MultiAir fit in and work, alot of engineering effort. The exhaust manifold on the MultiAir engine is on the driver's side meaning that the exhaust pipe that connects to it actually bends around underneath the oil pan and front subframe to the passenger's side of the car and then connects to the catalytic converter and exhaust system from there. The Mazda SkyActiv 2.0L/1.5L has the exhaust manifold on the correct side, nothing special needed to bend around the oil pan/subframe. That is just one example of how Mazda went through massive engineering to make the 1.4L from Fiat work in Mazda platform.
The fact that some people would come into supra review and complain about the engine is just amusing. Get over it or go buy another car.
Most complaints are about the transmission and price and most are like oh a mustang or corvette are cheaper or the same old its a bmw comments yea they're cheaper and there are better options but it aint no supra. its like liking a singer you like a lot, you like the artist because you like the way they sing their melodies their vocal range yes there are better singers but that one artist is what you groove with people just like to talk
this 7:39 is the sort of content I subscribed for
Em I the only one thinking they should have changed the facia and called it the Celica? Like they did back in the 80's . Would have made more sense to have the Celica name on the 4cyl and Supra on the 6cyl.
Wait for Nissan Z debut. I know about wheel noise coming from road, wheel well, or tires - riding as a passenger in a brand new C7 Corvette. No noise separation in the C7 rear passenger area, either.
What road noise specifically?
@@noonesbusiness959All of the above! Tire, wind, road, etc. Performance tires can be noisy during operation. I had a 2013 370z Touring with Sport Package. You had to yell to have a conversation with your passenger. 2 seat coupe hatchbacks have no rear partition or seat, so more outside noise comes through. On a rainy day, it sounds like a running shower behind you.
I still think they could had redone the Lexus RC or IS with 2 doors to make a supra. The parts bin was there, 3.5 is a decent motor and TT variant is in the LS500. I mean GTR is a v6 now when it was an inline 6. If I wanted a BMW it is going to be a M2 with a stick shift, which feels like a better deal for nearly same price is 3.0L Supra with more power.
I just don't see the appeal of the 4 cyl supra when the 6cyl is only about 10-15% more expensive.
Exactly
This 2.0 version needs to be around 30k
Well, no, it's almost 20% base price. Of course you don't get comparable equipment, but of those aren't things you value they aren't with the money.
@@firstnamelastname9661 The American competitors are cheap because... it is cheap
@@tinhinnh you sound like you know nothing about cars lol
Celica
Let's hope the next Supra will be a Mazda with an inline 6 that's either naturally aspirated or turbocharged. That would be awesome. It might not be a Toyota but it's a Japanese Supra again and that's a huge bonus.
Love my Mazda 3.7 v6. Purrs like a kitten
The 4cyl Supra with a stick would be a slam dunk and I’d choose it over the 6cyl since there’s only so much power that’s usable in daily driving tbh.
It’s nice but it doesn’t have the performance, features, or space of a Model 3 and yet it’s 800lbs heavier than a Miata. It’s hard to justify at $45k because you can either grab the Miata for over $15k less and canyon carve the twisties or jump into a Tesla and enjoy the gobs of instant torque. You’d really have to be a Toyota/BMW fan for what is offered here.
First, it's 43k. If you're going to quote a number, make it the right one. Two, you are comparing all the pro's of other cars to the con's of this one, no wonder 'you'd have to be a fan'. 3rd, I think you have to admit this car his some appeal to you because you just watch the video didn't you?
Well, the Model 3 does have a back seat, so I guess that's something - but it's not someplace I'd want to put an adult. The Tesla offers acceleration, if that's your priority.
It's a luxury to not have backseats -because you don't need them. I would consider the 3 but they are just built terrible.
Manual adjustment is better because it's lighter and will cause less issues down the road.
Make a Celica to complete w civic si instead. Or corolla GT. Put 230 hp front limited diff, sportier suspension and your good to go.
I have the 2.0 and here are my only gripes (otherwise it's an awesome car): The exterior A-pillar gathers micro scratches very easily. Wireless Apple CarPlay is not full screen. There is no hatch open button on the exterior body. No option to add heated seats. The car is so much fun and has more than enough power for my daily driving needs.
You did a great job of explaining the cooperation with BMW. At end of the the day It’s a Great looking car which performs really well. BMW interiors are not a bad thing either, the 4cyl is plenty fast enough to get you in trouble with the law.
nice mice! lots of knowledge!
Only reason I’m NOT buying it:
NO OFFERING OF 6MT!
$10000 more than a v6 Nissan Z for a 4?
❤️ @ Trunk index scene.. Thank you! made my day with that laugh.❤️
Well done Alex. Great explanation on the teaming of these two auto giants.
so the 2.0 is made from BMW am I correct ?
I wonder if it will be as reliable as a Toyota or BMW!
No way this 2.0 can pull a 4.5 to 60
If the seating surfaces are faux-suede, can we assume the bolsters are leatherette? I seem to remember that is the general vibe... you go lower cost as you move outward....
Would you do a video on the bmw 330e xdrive?
Great review as always. I bought the 2.0 and love it. You are correct: actual HP has been measured at 280hp and torque at 306ftlb by others on you tube.
Question: what did you use to measure the 4.5 0-60 time?
Need a hardtop convertible option
Toyota is doing so many great thigs right now, but they made absurd mistakes on the 2.0T. The brakes are an absolute joke, they show EXTREME fading, look up CarandDriver Lightning lap, quote: "The small calipers eat brake pads and rotors for breakfast. Temperatures rise, braking zones lengthen, deceleration weakens, and stabbing the left pedal becomes as useful as dropping anchor over concrete. A few hundred feet after posting our fastest lap we found ourselves racing into Turn 1, smashing the brake pedal and pulling-up on the electronic emergency brake. We ended up in the grass"
That's absolutely inacceptable for a Supra! How could they decide to put shut sh*tty brakes on a Supra??? They will fade on a mountain pass!
Just blame BMW, because that's what it is.
The Lightning Lap tests track performance, and this never pretended to be a track model.
@@markmiller3279 It is a sports car for enthusiasts, it's absurd saying it is not for track driving...
@@Mgoblagulkablong I will never track my 2.0 and it stops on a dime every time. You have a lot of opinions about a car you don't own.
O Just $42000
There are A LOT of things I hate about the new Supra and a lot of things I love about it
If it had a manual, I'm in
Love the video. Hope you had a camera person at 7:42.
The figure I hear at work(Ford) to launch a new generation or platform is 1 billion.
That's true. I would guess they spent less than that here as these cars are not as important as say a new Corolla or Golf. They also used existing engines and transmissions and infotainment systems.
Doesn’t fit golf clubs :/
I throw them in the front seat. Meet u there lol
I can't believe Alex fit in the trunk!
4 speakers and no heated seats for 43k? Brakes that don't stand up to sporty driving? Are you kidding me? It's fine to charge more for more stuff, but I feel like they have broken the car deliberately to coerce you to spend.
Brakes that don't stand up to _track use_. That's not the same thing as sporty road driving. Look at how quickly tires wear out on a track and it's not surprising brakes overheat.
In Europe, we get heated seats in even in the "pure" edition. Also, brakes are fine for advanced road or highway use. Have never felt underbraked and I do not use my car on tracks. Still, for the 9k I saved buying the Pure edition, you can get a very decent set of 19 inch wheels of your own choice, strut tower braces and even a custom brakes and sport suspension. That is, if you were to try and make a track tool out of it.
I like this 2.0 Supra a lot! Just the right amount of sport, value and power seems like.
Also - to be fair, an EcoSport with a 2.3T EcoBoost engine might actually be fun lol. EcoSport ST! They might have actually sold a few more of them had they made that haha.
Great review!
Umm sorry Alex but it is not a 2 seat roadster. A roadster, by definition, is an open 2-seat vehicle. The Z4 is a roadster. As with all of your reviews I really enjoyed it. I was wondering though if you could also test the Z4 with a manual transmission to get some idea of what a manual Supra might feel like. I, too, would choose the 2.0T but would really prefer to row my own.
wow, you are doing a great job why I just found you?
I'd buy, if Honda joined the party with their K24 & 6-speed manual.
@My Pets Power I can't put down is wasted, but I love that Z's cockpit...perfect for a bigger/taller guy. It's amazing the amount of choices that are now available.
I’d wait until I could save up more money for the Z4. I prefer a top less roadster over a hardtop.
Has anyone ever bought a Supra? Never seen one on the road.
I see a handful in LA. Not a lot, but I see the demand.
I've seen a few in the Bay Area. It was never really expected to be sold in large numbers, or they wouldn't have shared the development.
I agree with Mr. Miller that there aren't many in the Bay Area. Limited availability, dealer markups, and there are many coupe choices in that price range. Annually in the U.S., Toyota/Lexus sells about 7,000 coupes (86's, Supras, RC's, LC's). Ford sells that many Mustangs per month, about equal to Prius sales.
Alex, Did you say some people consider this BMW/Magna Steyr Supra to be an abomination? I don't think they are being very fair to abominations. Toyota just built a from-the-ground-up, high performance car ENTIRELY on their own, it is called the GR Yaris. Collaborations are fine as long as Toyota is building the cars with their own parts ie Suzuki Across and Swace.
I don't think people hate the Supra because it was produced by BMW not much anymore. The price is still pretty steep it is not that cheap.
How does the handling compare with the gr86, I tested a 3.0 supra and didn't like how heavy the car felt.
Toyota doesn't make their own sports cars anymore as Subaru and BMW have made the recent ones.
Could this be Toyota's last one's?
Gr Yaris is wholly Toyota.
I've had the car for about 3 months and my only gripes the wind buffeting, only apple car play yea you can connect your Android devices but Google play would be a great addition, and no handle bars for the passenger and driver to get out the car there's a tick to it I've gotten it but a couple of family members tend to grab on the top of the car or the door
Nice additions I'd appreciate: customization to dash, customization to the I drive system, better cup holder placement,and a slightly bigger glove box or bigger door panels storage compartments bcz I don't use it because it's too small
In my view, the styling is weird and disjointed. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder however.
So if Nissan rumored base price for the 2022 Proto Z is $35k and a V6 and Manual Transmission it will SLAY Supra Sales from the Word Go....And if say the Sport Touring is $42-45k and Nismo $53-55k BMW/Toyota will be Just Hurting
Hey Alex, do you know if the safety features being standard is still true as of the 2023 MY? Toyota's comparison tool indicates otherwise but many reviews of the earlier models share the
same information you did.
Needs a manual SUPRABAD!,,,, now more than e er with the Nissan 400 z coming especially if nizzan can stay no more than $10000 more than the outgoing models meaning around $42000.
I don't get why anyone would not like the new Supra. The 2.0 is plenty. Less mass over the front wheels. I could really care less what happened before, but what is going on now and tomorrow. If you don't have 200 million to start a new platform, forget about it. That is just to start. I am concerned how much these parts will be since they are BMW parts mostly. But still I like what they did here and I could get along with the 2.0 just fine. Everyone else's mileage may vary.
It is ugly. The vents are fake. The cabin is claustrophobic. You can’t see out of it. You get BMW reliability instead of Toyota reliability. You can’t get a manual transmission.
V8 mustang price for a 4 cylinder “Supra.” Ford Chevy dodge have no trouble building profitable sports cars, why can’t the Japanese?
@My Pets didn't answer the question. Try again
I chose the Supra on my channel!
Toyota really screwed up with this one. This is not a Toyota it is a BMW I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. Shocking how Toyota would take such chances with the halo name of Supra
I don’t see a problem with it being a BMW. They make some of the best cars out there
The mark 4 supra turbo was (adjusted for inflation) about $80k. That’s probably about how much it would cost if Toyota made it themselves I’m happy with the 50k price tag of the 3.0
You and JayEmm: car reviews at 60MPH and under.
A manual would have made more sense.
Especially if you're looking for a significant discount at a dealer who has had one sitting unsold on the lot for months.
@@stephenhendricks103 and if thats the inline 6, Ill be the most happiest man in the world
Though Toyota puts its badge all over it, I'm not surprised you dig out a parts with BMW logo
As a former owner of a 1968 MGB I would choose the 4 cyl engine. A sports car should be as lightweight and balanced as possible and not be overpowered. I also am a fan of the Honda S 2000 and the Mazda MX5. They are just plain joyful to drive.
It has a sPeedometernis
Okay but do you still have to take them to bmw dealers for maintenance or is toyota actually able to service them now? If toyota is actually able to maintain these things on their own then I'd consider it a toyota. I know at launch that was an issue
Mine is serviced at my local Toyota dealer.
@@rsenior7140 good to know
Great review...wonderful car. I do have to say, having owned BMWs, their infotainment system doesn’t look futuristic or as flashy as most, but I’ve found it to be the most logically laid out and intuitive system I’ve used (Including Porsche’s PCM, Audi’s MMI, Acura’s crappy system, Mazda, Honda, Tesla, Mercedes, and Toyota). Agree the ACC could be better to engage, but that’s about it. Between the Z4 and Supra is a tough one, but I’d probably get the Z4. I’ve driven the Z4 (both versions), but not the Supra. But, for my driving style..commuting and cruising (no track days), the Z4 would fit my lifestyle better. I did find it a bit stiff for an every day driver though. Wish it was a bit softer. The modes don’t really change it much.
I don’t believe these companies they can still make these cars alone, even at a lost because of the limited production, simply as a tech showpiece and to get you in the showroom to buy other more practical cars.
With Gmail and Honda and others this is forced by governments which are forcing electrics on these companies and canceling pipelines etc.
It’s all preplanned.
Why this gets both more horsepower and better MPG than the GR86?
This car looks much better from behind than the front.
Agreed! I am so very tired of the stupid F1-inspired noses on too many cars. The back end isn't perfect, but it's acceptable.
Has this or the Z4 been crash tested in any country? If so, how did it do?
I'm looking for a car where I can roll down the windows.
not sure if this is a good fit.
I miss the fun cars the Japanese makers used to bring out. The Honda Prelude, Acura Integra, RSX, Mitsubishi 3000GT, Toyota Celica, Supra,... I feel they've gone boring, and turn the sedans into pseudo fun cars
I am sure the SUV craze has nothing to do with the decisions to make virtually all mainstream sedans FWD
Can't believe you went in the trunk of this one. Did you do that on your own? Or need an assistant?
People hating on the 2.0 either didn’t know or forget Toyota had a base MKIV Supra with no turbo.
Please don't call this a Supra or even a Toyota. If you lift the hood every part in it is BMW I will break as soon as the warranty is expired
Who in their right mind would get this over a V-8 Mustang GT or Camaro SS with a manual?
They are totally different. One is a muscle car and the Supra is a sports car. It depends what type of driver you are.
@@rudfil Sports cars don’t suffer brake failure after one hot lap.
@@rudfil - There is still a fair bit of crossover in those demographics. An American buyer who would've considered a Supra if it had a manual might move to a Mustang or Camaro instead. I'm one of those crossover buyers. I've had everything from 90's RX-7's and Supras to Hemi Chargers. If it's got speed, I'll give it a look no matter what it is.
I just bought one…. I have 0 regrets
I would definitely wait for the Z35 considering it will be offered with a 6-speed manual gear box. If they don't go crazy with the price or weight it will be a winner. Plus even with that retro 240Z grill everyone complains about (which I think will look fine in another color, just not yellow) the styling inside and out is immensely better than the new Supra, but then again I think the sleeker Z32 looks better than the bubbly mk4.
No manual No fun
Why would you call it a roadster ?
Great video Alex, I've been curious about this more affordable Supra. You get extra points for squeezing into the trunk of this car!
when he slammed the lid, i (my claustrophobia) felt that.
I've been seeing these on the road alot. I'm guessing ppl are liking these
Although Toyota claims the Cayman to be the main competitor to the new Supra honestly the car to compare it to is the new BMW M2 Competition. The M2 Comp in slightly more expensive than the Supra 3.0 Premium but it’s more powerful and offers a manual transmission. At the moment considering both have similar powertrains you could say the new M2 Comp in that respect is more of a Supra than the new Supra unless Toyota gives the Supra a manual transmission option which they should have done from the very beginning.
Oh some one watched Jason Camisa's video lol What a unique opinion
@@Jaahhhnnnn I respect other journalists like Camisa but I made that conclusion way before Jason's video. Apparently like minded people can share a logical opinion, who knew?
You can also see out of the M2.
The 2.0T is what should have gone into the FRS/GT86
I think that’s the first time the EcoSport and Supra were mentioned in the same sentence 😂
Not digging that front fascia at all. And no 6 speed? Keep the thing.