Should You Buy a 2024 Toyota Supra? Thorough Review By A Mechanic
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- A Mechanic Reviews the 2024 Toyota Supra Should You Buy One?
In this video we take a look at the Latest Toyota Supra. We start with a proper technical review under the hood then underneath the car.
Then we look at the exterior and interior. Then we talk about some things we don't like about it.
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0:00 Intro
0:48 Under The Hood
10:58 Under The Car
17:16 Exterior Review
23:54 Interior Review
27:37 Things I Don't Like About It
33:18 Should You Buy One? 
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lol after watching the repair on the door latch, i have a strong hunch on what the answer will be going into this
when the story is spoiled by the prologue
Too much BMW, not enough Toyota!
WHY would Toyota risk its painstakingly developed reputation for reliability by pairing itself with -- of all companies -- BMW??? Especially on such an iconic car? Smh...🤔
@@leojanuszewski1019 because despite the BMWness of maintaining it, the B58/S58 are legendary motors
I agree. Too much bmw in this. Why didn't they put the reliable tundra v6 turbo instead of unreliable bmw. Would be better to watch it throw a main bearing
I own a 2020 model and honestly I can easily forgive all the downsides the car has. It's simply a blast to drive on any road or circuit, an easy ECU tune and good aftermarket coilovers really make it supercar fast, has reasonable fuel mileage and is practical for this class. I've been tracking the car 2-3 times a year but had no major issues whatsoever, so Toyota and BMW did an amazing job on this car.
I had a 2020 launch edition and i agree i thought it was an absolute blast to drive. I had a couple gen 3's back in the day so noone wanted a "real" supra with a 3jz more than me but after driving it i got over it pretty quick.
This could be said for any car. I own a 1992 Nissan Skyline GTR that I got in 2015 shipped directly from Japan to here in Dallas. Bought it for 15,000 USD, put 10,000 worth of engine rebuilds and upgrades, maxxxecu and now it makes 850 WHP and destroys current gen supra's etc.
I have a 2001 MK4 Supra coming to the states in 2025 once it reaches the 25 year mark and it will be much better then the current gen supra's.
@DJG37S So, your highly modified gtr destroys current gen Supras. You have a mk4 Supra coming that will be better than current gen Supras. Okay, that's your opinion. On the gtr, most people don't want an 800hp car that's barely drivable. For the money, the new Supra is a pretty good deal.
@@DJG37S
Good for you, I don't care. You could have a 1000whp car but I'd still rather have a car with 500whp that can put all of its power down instead of constantly spinning its wheels. Controllable power is always faster around a circuit than uncontrollable power.
@@Foiiiii1
You replied to him, so you do care. Good job, you played yourself
I highly trust this Man’s judgement on Cars. He saved me a few big mistakes along the way.
You can’t possibly know that. 😂
@@DM72513I’ll take a Toyota Master Mechanic’s professional opinion over some shmuck trolling yt comments. 😂
That is not a good comment.@@DM72513
What mistake you had in mind? I was thinking of getting a gently used LS460.
Same . Supra is way overpriced lol .
as a BMW and Toyota/Lexus owner, at 100k miles Toyota = "Just breaking in", BMW = "things starts breaking"
Absolutely. I was stupid enough to own several BMW'S that emptied my bank account often after they were out of warranty, and I've sworn to never own one again. My Lexus's, on the other hand, have been a pleasure to own because they're reliable.
Totally agreed !
@@michaelmartin4366my neighbors are both doctors. Both drive bmw. They always have new,cars. Like all the time. Every,few months. I,thought man, they are loaded turns out the new,cars are loaners from the dealer. Their cars are always getting fixed. The rentals also need repair. The loners are sometimes loaners for the loaners, lolololol. Horrible cars
Yeah like the 2024 Toyota tundra engine fails 😂😂😂
100k miles = things breaking for domestic cars too, and I'm talking basic vehicles that don't have the high pressures that sports cars distribute.
Well the cars been out for 4 years and has been reliable as hell. Sure can’t say that for the new tundra and Tacoma .
In Switzerland, for this car, we have a warranty of 10 years...
A car shouldn't have any issues at all in the first 4 years. The question is what will it be like in another 6 years. BMW's historically do NOT do well at that. No reason to believe this one will.
@@kevindepew8193 I have owned several Toyotas, including a Toyota supra turbo in the 90s. One of the cars that I own currently is a 19-year-old BMW with the in-line six. It has been well-maintained, and I can tell you no 19-year-old Toyota will drive as good as this 19-year-old BMW. It is pure pleasure to drive it. I can be on the highway in fifth gear going 80 mph, and just press the gas and the power just keeps on going into triple digits in fifth gear. It’s really unbelievable. The problem is most people do not maintain their BMWs, not that they’re bad cars.
So Toyota decided to develop and make themselves the GR Corrolla and Yaris, but let BMW do the entire Supra???
because theyre not going to make any $ selling sport cars so this is like a project
Because they already had the engine from the GR Yaris that was supposed to be a homologation special.
@@tinhinnhoh they are going to make money selling a $40k Yaris. Are you mentally ok?
@@MisterSkizzelsand they couldn't do that under a bigger name of Supra? The excuses are getting worse
They already had a dedicated compact car chassis, the GR Corolla is still just a Corolla platform underneath.
They did not have a dedicated high-end sports car chassis. That would've taken billions of dollars to develop and prepare tooling for.
Everything is not as easy as it seems in car enthusiast armchair car company CEO fantasyland.
I own a BMW motorcycle. One of the things to keep in mind when you own a German engineered vehicle is that they don't engineer their products to give the customer what they want. They engineer them how THEY want them and either you learn to live with the vehicle the way THEY intended or go buy something else.
Interesting. This is completely contrary to the idea of "luxury" to most people.
Same as Toyota Lexus
Why would I buy something if they won’t give me what I want? That’s dumb AF. How are they even in business like that?
@@reyperez3424 reliability is a very important part of luxury. no one would buy a Patek Phillipe if it ran for 5 years before things needed repair and overhaul.... and plastics started cracking....
Haha and that's why I've never bought a german car or bike
Camera work is getting better every video! Keep it up and thanks for showing us around the Supra! It looks amazing!
Dream car for the money, love my 22 almost 40k runs great
Fake vents kill it for me.
They're lame, and it would probably be prettier without them, but it still looks ok IRL.
Wish there was a mod to replace them with real ones
For me it's that and lack of ventilated seats.
For me it's that and lack of ventilated seats.
I love this video, it makes me feel like i just brought a supra and this is the user manual
I owned two Supra’s in the mid 80’s. Two notable things: first, the horsepower was 150…on a six. HA. Second, the driver’s seat was by far and to this day, the most comfortable I have ever sat in. I am 6’0, avg build and at that time weighed about 175-180. I have added 30lbs, but I bet those seats would still work. I wish I could put these in any new car.
The seats in my '85 Supra 1:16 are still superb.
Basically.
The LC500 is the true "New Supra". In the classic Supra Grand Touring tradition..
The car featured in the above video, is a cash-grab collab for BMW and Toyota. And in that respect, it's worked out very well! Particularly for Toyota..
I love my 85 Supra lumbar pump. 😅
I had to throw my 2 cents in after I heard you guys raving about those recaro lookalike seats that came in the 82-86 supra performance models... i had the 82 and when I bought it, those seats just Looked insane and initially felt the same...However ,after a few months of ownership, my lower back started to develop pain Everytime i went out in that thing... it got so bad that I could no longer enjoy my rides in that beautiful car... Despite All the lumbar and other adjustments, they did Not offer the needed support in my lower disc area and I sadly ended up getting rid of it...even short hop drives were killing me... all I can say is if you have the right size frame, bodywise, the seats i Guess work well... im 5' 7" with a smaller build, 160 lbs at that time..no go for me.. I ended up with an 87 rx7 turbo.. those seats literally healed my back over several months.. best seats Ive ever had in a car were those...
I own a 2023. I have zero issue with the seats
Solid content. The opinions and concerns are nice to hear. Thanks for putting this together! The increasing technological/mechanical complications along with more and more reliance on plastic is not my favorite.
I love the way you end your videos with may the Lord bless you and keep you !
Great video exits! Best on RUclips!!
Thanks for the complete and honest review! I’ve had my '21' for 3.3 years, zero issues. I bought a Toyota backed 3 year warranty so I’m covered for 6 years. 34mpg on freeway, styling always stirs up controversy which I love. Crazy power, ZF transmission is lightning quick. Sounds great and is just the right size for me. I don’t want to drive what everyone else has, I want a sports car that is different. Collaboration of Companies and their products is a reality now. It’s odd that no one says anything about Toyota and Subaru.✌️
That’s probably because the last collaboration between Japan and Germany didn’t work out too well.
The B58 in the Supra is one of the best engines on the market today in terms of reliability and hp. I had this same engine in my 2017 BMW M2(it actually sounds better than my current G82 M4C)and it had zero issues over 4 years of ownership. BMW has really nailed the straight 6 turbo charged engine and the B58 is one of the gems in the line up. You can also throw a lot of power at these engines w/o messing with your internals. I like the new Supra as well and there's a reason Toyota, who have a great reputation for making solid long lasting vehicles, partnered with BMW on this project.
He did a complete review on the Toyota 86/ Subaru BRZ....and pointed out the positives & negatives, also mentioned that Toyota owns 20% of Subaru 🤷
@@Peanutdenver You had an upgraded N55 in your M2, not a B58
@@mountjoy23 You're right and I feel like an idiot now.
The minute he said the engine is ultra high tech, my mind said “lease only”..
Great stuff man.
May the Lord bless and keep you also!
That made my day when he said that
Best technical review period.
Thank you for doing this. I was considering buying a Supra or a Z4M. After seeing this, no way! A life of service would equal the cost of the car! Not for an amateur mechanic.
I bought my Supra after looking at 4+ years of forum and youtube video content that clearly shows that GR Supras have been very reliable. If you intend to treat a Supra like a Camry and drive 300,000 miles over 25 years, then you may be disappointed, but the vast majority of owners will have their Supras as a second or third vehicle.
There is no current Z4M model to buy. The last Z4M model was the 2008. Ask me how I know.😊
I own a 21 model with the ZF 8 speed.
Great car , drives comfortably long distances at high speed.
Thanks for the review.
AMD, It must have been tough to decide which channel to post this BMW Supra review on. 😉
Not that hard. Its a review.
No , its TCCN reviews not so tough ! 🤔
enjoyed your review, thanks!
My’21 is the same red. It’s not my daily, but I love it! The transmission is probably the best thing about it.
Thorough and top notch, well thought out video. As usual. Thanks!
None of the vents have open sheet metal underneath. You literally have to use a saw to open them up. Not to mention the door vents serve no purpose... they just go straight into the door jambs...
Hood vent and front bumper vents are functional and can be open rear by the door is not .
@@bman1668 That's what you've been told. Tunersand reviewers have taken the plastic pieces off (or just look from the other side) and it is solid sheet metal underneath. They are are ready for function as any car's fenders are for widebody kits. You have to do your own cutting.
@@centripetal25 I own one hood vent is real it has cut already
Love the channel!!! I'm looking forward to your analysis of the tundra 24' 💔 after the fiasco
Good update keep it up the good work and God bless you 👍👍👍
Today, these cars are meant for well heeled folks to lease for few years and move on. It's not like the old days when you could own these long term without breaking the bank.
That’s not true. Porsche builds their cars to last decades. When you consider their smaller suv and the base 911 is less than some pickups these days and I mean 1/2 tons it’s in the same price point as those 1/2 ton pickups. A Porsche Macan is less than a well equipped Ford F150
Everything is ridiculously expensive
@@jimsteinway695 IMS bearing issues and bore scoring issues would beg to differ.
And of course, when issues do arise. Actual Porsches (not rebadged VW/Audi SUV's) require the engine to be dropped out for almost anything..
Are you sure about that? A 1994 supra before any options ran you $40,000. Adjust that for inflation, and you're looking at a $86,000 entry price. No wonder they didn't sell well at all during their time!
Meanwhile a modern 2024 3.0 Supra is $55,000 for sticker. That's 36% cheaper! This is fundamentally a far more accessible supra than the legendary mk4, and even if we assume chronic reliability issues (which do not plague b58 bmw's), you have $31,000 you can put towards repairs before you've spent more on a modern supra!
My BMWs hum along at over 170,000 miles with no problems. Minimal maintenance. This is the N52, their most reliable N.A. engine. The B58 in the Supra and their current 40i cars is the N52 of their turbo engines.
The B58 engine has been out for 7+ years at this point. Plenty of time to prove if it is unreliable, and seeing as everyone loves to hate on BMW, you would have heard if it was unreliable/breaking the bank by now. It's definitely not perfect, or cheap - but you can't find another new sports car this performant at this price point.
We appreciate the daily videos good sir
Timing chain behind the engine... that's painfully expensive.
I'll stick with the simplicity of my '85 which I would have a chance of doing repairs on myself.
Only if the timing chain has issues. BMW I6 rarely have issues with timing chains.
@@AgonxOC This.
It's not a Chevy 😶🌫️
Either the transmission goes out or the engine. Choose your poison
@@AgonxOC usually on the 4 cylinders like the early BMW N20 engines
You are out here doing the gods work! Bets automotive channel for Supra coverage hands down. Me next tho 😉💕
Toyota reliability? Try owing a 2022 Tundra and worry about the engine going kaput at 73mph on the interstate.. total loss of power... and then be told that you would need to have the engine replaced. (well... the fortunate ones got the recall notices)
So this car is good then, right?
@ytj22 yes. Because the bmw b58 has proven to be reliable unlike the v35 in the tundra
The powertrain warranty is 5yr/60k miles. Doubt many 2022 had that many miles and doubt many of them went kaput. Please don't be gullible and buy into the hysteria.
Admittedly, I haven’t really cared for the BMW Supra but this video makes it clear… there were a ton of decisions by BMW that Toyota would have never made themselves. This thing will suck to maintain in 15 years and beyond. Really does feel like Toyota is slipping.
It has to be said: Your car reviews are THE best. Better than SavageGeese or anyone else honestly. Going into actual mechanic pros and cons are a must (and what people really care about the most).
Brilliant review. I really learned alot about this vehicle.
I so admire your attitude against these cars. I have the feeling you really have a love/hate relationship with them, still, you stay positive.
I love my Corolla GR 100% Toyota and love the performance too. I passed on Supra because it’s a BMW plan on keeping outside the warranty. But still Supra is very nice.
this is a fantastic car, looks, tech, power, even reliability.
Love your reviews!
These mechanical reviews are 👌👌👌👌
I saw that red mark II MR2 in the background 😉
That would be my pick all day every day.
👀
My son has a 2021 GR Premium, we did some exhaust, a spoiler lip in Carbon, Carbon wheel and shift paddles, stereo system upgrades and it is a very nice car now. Beats Mustangs and Camaro's easily and is the best looking car BMW makes, the Toyota emblems also help with resale, which isn't as good on the Z4.
The only gripe is getting in and out is a tight squeeze.
4 cylinder Camaro and Mustang don’t count 😂
@@cormaro13You’re clearly not familiar with the B58.
My son also has a 2021. He’s done so many mods (yes a new unlocked ECU) and it making an estimated 800+ to the wheels and is still not finished. I say estimated because another owner had the same setup but with a smaller turbo and was rated 815 wheel on the dyno.
The B58 can handle about 950 without changing internals, which is next on the list.
@@DM72513 I’m familiar just saying those models don’t count 😂 if it was a ss or gt maybe
How tall is your boy ?
Looking forward for your 2025 Camry review!
I find it painful that the memes of it being a BMW are amplified by the fact that even Toyota cannot service it because it's a BMW.
Each Toyota dealership has at least one Supra-certified technician. And as a BMW repair shop owner told me, "It's not rocket science. With the proper tools and service manual, any good tech can work on a Supra."
Take it to a BMW specialist
@@fourpoint64 Not while it is under warranty, unless you don't care about money.
Should always take vehicles like these to a specialized local shop. You will probably pay about half for repairs/maintenance at an independent shop that specializes in these brands versus going to a dealer. This goes for BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW, etc. Which a VW shop will be able to do all of the brands I listed minus BMW. But, there's independent shops that specialize in these specific brands, they probably know more about these cars than the dealership techs honestly.. and they're most definitely much cheaper than a dealership is. I've got a few local shops to me, some that specialize in VW, and some that specialize in BMW, so there's a little bit of competition, if they want business they've got to out-do each other with their quality of work and cost.
@@whatta7793 Not if it's under warranty. I think the powertrain warranty is 5 years or 60,000 miles.
Plus, even independent BMW repair shops are not exactly low cost.
It is a beautiful car. I just got me an automatic because my wife can’t drive a manual. Premium 3.0. And the car drive, very fast beautiful car I love it. 😍
Your wife cant drive a manual, so you bought an automatic....... If she is as "accomplished" behind the wheel as my wife you should have got the manual! Let her drive her car and not your new ride man lol. Too late now but next time (if there is a next time what with manuals almost gone) pretend like the dealer made a mistake and gee golly now your just stuck with this stupid silly manual transmission oh well unless you wanted to wait 2 more months for another hotomatic to arrive!
I'm 6'1" 195lbs and I felt super cramped inside this thing no matter what I did with my seating position.
You big back?😂
@@pawg206 uh… I big… front? (No idea what you’re talking about)
I"m 5'11 195 and have two seating positions on the seat button - one for ingress/egress and one for driving. I have a short thorax with longer legs though, not sure if it makes any difference.
@@paullucci I’m just kidding.. it’s a saying the kids say nowadays when someone is big or fat.
@@MisterSkizzels are you a women?
what an outstanding review Thanks
superb channel you have . great knowledge .
Love your channel. Your reviews are among the best and always so informative and thorough. Thanks for that! Few reviewers dive into the mechanical aspects (which could help predict future reliability) like you do.
I also love Toyota but wish the new Supra was wholly done by Toyota. Nothing against BMW but I would prefer Toyota engineering. Since it's not really a Toyota under the skin, I would probably choose the new Nissan Z over this Supra. (If I had enough extra disposable income, which I don't.) Or maybe I would consider buying an older Supra and getting it restored.
I own a BMW and a Toyota, so to me this is a great car and I want to buy one someday.
Buy two so you’ll always have one that starts.
Thanks for a nice review of the Toyota Supera AMD 😎😎👍👍
AMD, I love this video. I agree with all of your gripes on this car. I also agree that the repair aspect of this car will be challenging. I already do not trust some Toyota techs to work on my run of the mill commuter Toyota cars, I don’t think anyone at my local dealership will be competent enough to work on this BMW.
That explains why modified Zupras are really cheap. No one wants to mess them. Can have major long term problems.
I wonder if it will get B58TU2, which adds port fuel injection and supposedly eliminates carbon buildup.
These work long enough to develop carbon deposits?
Great video, thanks.
I think Savage Geese mentioned manufacturing is done by Magna, and it sounds like they do other vehicles for BMW too.
Not a Supra but looks incredible in my opinion
Is a Supra regardless your opinion, is superior in many ways to the A80 and pretty much the only one putting a lot of podium finished on events on its own engine. I take performance numbers above low tier think of thr purist.
Don't get me wrong, plastic and rubber decay aside, I love my stock 2004 BMW 325 CI manual but I find it so ironic that the car company known as the benchmark for making the most reliable vehicles turns to one known to make some of the most unreliable. When BMW dropped the dip stick, I was out. When my 325 CI goes, it will be the last BMW I own, at least past 2005.
m57 and n57 have dipsticks.
@civilator This is the problem. A diesel or one gasoline up to 2013. All others have no dipstick. I would have bought a new 230i manual coupe four years ago but the absence of the dipstick made me pass from my awful experience with my 2008 328i which was all over the place on reading. I do all my own work and are OCD on maintenance.
Very good review!
Funny how you put a real Toyota sports car in the background. I have an '89 AW11 Supercharged MR2 and can appreciate the MK2 SW20. I miss the old days when Toyota had the guts to build their own sports cars.
Toyota/Lexus charges over $100,000 for the LC 500 that benefitted from an existing V8 engine. Toyota had no equivalent engine to the B58 inline 6. Drive a 3.0 and then get back to us. I've rented McLarens, a Ferarri, Porsche, Jag, Corvette, and others. The GR Supra is not as fast, but is just as much, if not more fun to drive.
You would think someone at Toyota would care enough to have Toyota develop this.
Yikes! For the same money, I'd much rather go with a C8 Corvette or even a Lexus LC500. The "BMW Supra" is only good as a lease vehicle. Beyond that, RUN!
I agree. The LC500 IS A SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE BUT ITS NOT AN EQUIVALENT COMPARISON From a price point and power train.
The NISSAN 400Z and LEXUS RC350 or even RC500 will be an ideal COMPARISON. They are all 6 cylinder and cost around mid 50s.
Neither of those cars come with a manual so NO THANKS
Are the American still making cars with leaf springs? 😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 German vehicles are far more superior and reliable than American vehicles!
Audi Q5 next please! Great review as always!
Another excellent review, I am curious if it's possible to get your hands on a mk8 GTI for review since we are on a bit of a German auto streak? Love your stuff.
I love mine
They couldn't install a little hood insulation 🤦♀️🤷♂️
It looks like it has already an insulation (the engine cover might do the job)
Hood insulation? What do you need that for? The engine cover takes care of that. I works pretty well too!
And just like every other BMW, it's great while it's under warranty but when the warranty is up it's time to trade in.
Thanks for your good video.
Can you do a Mechanic’s review of the 2024 Nissan Z???
I see car care nut video on Supra, automatic click like.
The B58 and its predecessor the N55 are outstanding engines and 4-peat and 3-peat world top 10 engine award winners. Their reliability, power, and efficiency are pretty much unmatched.
Great until they need service.
Some of the worst engines ever made are also on that list, including the Northstar V8. Very useful list for finding bad engines
That’s great until they need to take the engine out to replace the damn timing chain. Ridiculous design!
@@7318ify And do the timing chains with no key ways to help time it, just some very expen$ive tools.
@@MarbindThe idiocy is great with comments like yours as never owned one! I own a N55 and a B58. The N55 has nearly 200K and I have NEVER had any issues with any of the cooling system, with the exception of the overflow hose, which broke at around 120K. The car is 13 years old and still drives like new. The N55 is whisper quiet at idle and cannot be felt when revving up! The B58 is even better.
It looks good, goes like stink, and tuned ones are pushing 500whp+ on stock internals so it seems to be pretty robust
Got mine in March..no regrets
Looks like a remodel of a 240 Z Datson. Yes that is goofy with regard to interior panels being different.
Really fair review, not shooting it down just because its BMW. Waterhose piping aside, I dont think this is terribly unreliable.
The B58 has proven to be decent in the reliability department
Decent BMW reliability means it’ll run 60k miles before a major failure.
No thanks.
The B58 engine is very good. We have too many brainless Scotty Kilmer viewers in this comment section
Great review and mechanical breakdown of the car. Lots of crying on the comment section.
The "crying on the comment section" is justifiable.
Toyota's premiere, 'halo car' being made by a competing car company is rather shameful..
Don't get me wrong, badge engineering is fine for lesser cars like the Toyota Corolla/Chevy Prizm, Matrix/Vibe, etc.. But for a premiere nameplate with racing history?? Absolutely shameful... And with recent news of Toyota's V6TT's blowing up?!? It's clear Toyota is going downhill, sadly... But, what goes up, must come down after all!!!
Proceeds to cry about crying.
@@bliglum Prices are up on everything so I expect future Toyota products to be up also.
I think dropping all these new designs in a short period of time we can anticipate some pain and difficulties, but I will believe Toyota will fix the issues with their vehicles.
As far as reliability, I have my concerns with the turbo charging and would not keep these vehicles long term. We are already looking at other brands outside of Toyota and Lexus for our next vehicle.
@@skatnnofx we are just all whiners.
Drove both, went with the manual. Very different and more enjoyable experience
You are a gentleman and a professional with your overview of this BMW. I get it. I was so looking forward to the opportunity to own a Supra. I had older Celica's way back when I purchased my first Toyota in 1971. Have never looked back and owned Toyota to this day. Still do Love my Avalon. That being said this is a BMW with all the trends of a BMW. So many why did they's.
Again, you a too kind and a professional.
Having tested both, the 4cyl is a better handling car that would make a better daily driver IMO. It has adequate power, but should be priced much lower than the 6 cylinder, and that is the real problem with the 4 cylinder.
Agreed. The 4cyl's MSRp should be at least $5k less than what it is.
Think of all the money BMW corporate has made with all the plastic parts used on BMW's cooling systems for the last 30 years. Failures out of warranty on the customer's dime.
That ladies and gentlemen as an automotive engineer is BMW's business model. Could they spend a just a bit more to make their cooling systems more bullet proof? Of course. They make more money by cheaping out on the cooling system in terms of profit at initial purchase and they make more money again when the customer has to replace the cooling system out of warranty.
Who has owned a BMW out of warranty that hasn't had to change the cooling system? Not many I know including me before I wised up and stopped buying older BMW's that I would work on myself.
Gives credence to the adage, they get you coming and going.
I owned quite few BMWs well out of warranty without major issues. My current daily is a 13 year old BMW with an N55. For over a decade I have not has any issues, but I do change the coolant every 60 to 70K. The car has nearly 200K. No issues. The B58 I own has far too low miles to say anything other than it’s been great so far.
Plastic engine parts help keep the weight down and increase fuel efficiency and it dampers now and does not corrode. But agreed it is not long lasting and requires replacement. Trade offs.
@@JL-qe7of I find that id one changes the coolant as required to keep the system corrosion down, there are barely any issues. I have only changed one plastic part in all my cars with plastic coolant parts.
They actually invested millions in these plastic parts. Somebody at BMW saw the film the Graduate: "One word: Plastics. Plastics are the future".
Bmw ditched the double clutch in the m2 m3 m4 this 8hp is so good they put it in their m cars of course with different clutch packs
About the hood, the Corvette C4 released in 1984 was an incredible design way ahead of its time and the hood of this Supra kind of reminded me a little bit of the C4 as it is one piece over the wheels... nice, but the C4 was even more seamless
It's usually not the engine itself that fails on BMW, it's all the carbage they attached to the engine and it will fail. I managed a business that services BMW and most the other dealers, so I see it everyday. By the way, don't bother talking this to a Toyota shop, they have no idea on how to work on it. Why would they it's a BMW, and it's utter BS that Toyota made any changes on the B58.
Manufacturers like Toyota say they dont spend much R&D in these kinds of cars cause not many people buy it, but the truth is the dealerships (at least in America) are the ones at fault. I've seen this car go for over $70k around my area and while this car is pretty nice, not many people are going to spend that money on a Toyota. I do hope they bring the MR2 with the 3 cylinder like I hear.
The MR2 has been rumored to "come back" for like a decade now. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you
@@halestrum77 Same could be said about the supra and it eventually happened.
Hello !! Is there any chance you could do a mechanical review for the Subaru WRX ???? Since it's a turbo and direct injected only, plus the complex Boxer engine, unmodified do you believe it's a good idea to buy thinking about keeping it long term ?
I’ll never know. The wife wanted one and It’s like trying to find a leprechaun. The dealers can’t get them or have them on the lot. Ended up going with a new S650 Mustang and she loves it. I too am learning to like it a lot as well.
The large amount of plastic and lack of concern for ease of maintenance is by design. Most premium brand cars are leased or bought by owners who will only keep them for 2 or 3 years. There isn't a lot of thought put into the experience of the owners beyond the first one.
Used Porsche Cayman for the win.
Both get dusted by a model 3 performance.
@@muhcharonaboth are better then the electric toaster and put some 💰 mods on them and your model toaster or whatever it is will get dusted by both of them seriously who would want to own a electric toaster over a good flat 6 turbo or a straight 6 turbo 😂 Tesla clowns these days😂😂😂
Hello! Really helpfull video. 👍 please advise reliable sport cars .
I drive by these once in a while and my GTI feels like an Odyssey next to it. Small but in the same family as a miata and S2000 so a great additional to that class of car. Glad to see car makers make something other than Crossovers with 50 trim levels (Which Toyota is VERY guilty of)
Saving up for one of these!
Think it through my friend
@@Kamal_AL-Hinai I have since they launched them in 2020 lol
My friend always take his A90 Supra to a BMW dealership mechanic for service maintenance 👍🏼
Why does he want to pay more for maintenance?
@@MrMustangrick not my money so that is all up to him ✌🏼
If you are out of warranty but your city has a good independent shop that works on BMWs, that's the way to go imo. Dealerships will charge double.
GJ! Pls consider reviewing the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
Also the Nissan Rouge and Sentra
And finally, a car with a Chinese platform like Volvo or Lotus
Appreciated!
Great review...will you do one on Nissan Z?
Why would Toyota risk its reputation by employing BMW nightmare …. Ii own 2 BMW I Knick name the Lil’ Headache and Big Headache…. Too mich plastic used in key components … coolant bottles im deciding on buying several of them and replace them every 2-3 yrs … oil filter housing gaskets leak , plastic coolant pipes plus too many other things to list here.
I asked dealer the reason why timing chains are in the back ..I was told that due to European pedestrian bumper regulations they had to try to lower the Freon hood and bumpers as much as possible .
Car driver asked Toyota this exact question.
So why did they do that? Well, this is what the president of Toyota said and I paraphrase, they wanted an in-line six cylinder engine. It would’ve cost them several billion dollars to develop a new one. And that would be an engine type at the rest of the Toyota fleet could not make use of since they’re not designed to accommodate an in-line six so it would be the biggest waste of money if they went down that road. They then decided they would get partner and they wanted to go with the company that had the best in-line six cylinder in the world and their research told them that was BMW.
They also said that every part on that car BMW sent over to Toyota to their laboratories and they put them through all of the same quality control and testing procedures that every other Toyota must go through and pass before Toyota lets that car carry the company badge.
And this is literally what those managers in Japan were saying that they ran all of those BMW supplied parts through all of their procedures, tested them to destruction, and they were very pleased with the results. They passed all of their requirements.
Toyota could've used a V6 instead and nobody would've minded, you'd still get great performance and character,they have plenty of those in Japan too.
@@fs5866 , you’re probably right. But the one you need to convince is the president of Toyota motor corporation that’s his opinion. He’s the one in charge.
@@fs5866 don't underestimate the ability of car enthusiasts who don't buy new cars to complain on the internet. If they shoved a Toyota off-the-shelf V6 in, the internet would have been screaming about that too.
@@thatoneotherotherguy i think it's not just about the engine, the car itself looks waaaay too similar to a BMW z4.
wow, the door panels looks ridiculous. BMW-Toyota is the worst marriage in automobile history.
This car really stands out amongst the sea of sedans and suv's, really love the look aside from the fake vents. Have a red on too, although I wish it was really a Toyota built car, it's still a good car among the other modern day options for a 2 seat sports car.
I believe that the difference in power on the six cylinder is that the original ones had an integrated exhaust manifold that was built into the head and the turbo charger bolted directly to the head. The improved engine that makes more power has a separate exhaust manifold that bolts to the head and the turbo bolts to the manifold. There may be other changes as well as that that improved the power.
Nice MK2 MR2 in the background there. Sexy.
LC500 is the TRUE "New Supra".
Engineering Obsolescence is strong on this one.
What an idiotic comment!
always when he say interesting, you know he is going to say the maker f'ed up or made something super complicated
You should make a video on the WRX newest model. I would definitely love to see that 😁