2020 Toyota Supra | A Legend Returns or A Me-Too Coupe?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The 2020 Supra isn't just a blast from the past, it's an honest-to-goodness Toyota sports car aimed directly at the Porsche Cayman. All the essentials are there for the Supra to be a hit. Inline 6 engine? Check. Rear wheel drive? Check. Small roadster proportions? You betcha. A sprinkle of BMW DNA? Why not? That's the biggest complaint from Supra purists, but I see that as an asset, not a detriment to the Supra's street cred. Let's find out why.
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The engineer at Toyota said point blank in an interview on TFL youtube channel, the partnership allowed Toyota to keep the price at $50k . So without BMW, Toyota would have to charge people close to 100k and take another 3-5 years. It's a win/win for Toyota and BMW. TOYOTA knows how to sell car and make cars. Toyota is pathological about reliability and simplicity. They spent countless of months abusing and refining the Supra and making sure the parts from BMW were up to Toyota Standards of reliability. You're getting 3 years of bumper to bumper quarrenty and you can extend it another 3 years. 6 YEARS OF FULL COVERAGE ON A CAR THAT DOES 0-60 IN 4 SECONDS FOR 50K!! this is CHEAPER THAN WHEN THE SUPRA FIRST LAUNCHED IN THE 90'S AND IT'S NOT MORE POWER. They learned from Honda's mistake when they were remaking the NSX. They took several years in engineering and spent hundreds of millions, only to re-scrap and start over. With the Finnish product now currently costing close to $150k. No one is buying it. No matter how many great reviews it gets. Toyota gets it! The sweat spot that will make this car desirable is a low price tag, tune ability and readability.
☝️Someone with brains in the comment section 👏👏
@@deuce9star Thank you!
@humble harambe My buddy has the Mk 5, so you're 100% correct, I was talking from experience from his ownership.
It's a BMW. It will tank in value in 3 years.
@@deuce9star where?
Normally dont comment but this was a really good review, unbiased mostly and lots of smaller details. Good job
Toyota nailed it.
Kudos Gazoo Racing!
The fact that a loaded RAV4 can cost $40k...
Toyota gave us an inline 6, turbo RWD, GT sports car, with a premium luxury interior, and sexy body lines and looks for under $50k...
Toyota is going to sell lots of these.
Thank you for making this supra less expensive than its predecessor- and to think.. the old supra was $50k+ in 1990s money!
The look is starting to grow on me.
Embargo must have just lifted just saw a bunch of these pop up on my feed.
i got spammed with about 15 videos at the same time
I said the same thing haha, every car reviewer on RUclips dropped a video today
Embargos stink because you get nothing... then every review on the car all at once. I find it a bit annoying.
That's always the case with new cars or tech stuff...
Imagine if Honda could bring back some form of an S2000 replacement!
They already brought back some form of an NSX replacement
I think Honda would be better off making a mid-engined baby NSX, since they could use existing Civic Type R engine and transaxle (or the old 3.7L V6 & Honda Accord manual transaxle -- even better!) -- Honda showed the Sports Vision concept, but it is not for production, sadly.
wtf this review is excellent, so thorough, I'm subbing
Powaup welcome to the family
I love Alex! Finally someone who reviews the new supra as it stands, as it is. Not as it could have been or
Bashing with comparison against the old supra. Bravo Alex!!
HERE COMES THE SUPRA NOTIFICATIONS, BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES
It’s batten down not batter down the hatches.
@@itmustbelove08 thanks, I'm stupid lol
Only Alex can pack this much info into a review! Excellent, as usual! 👌🏼
I typically watch videos on 1.25x but not with Alex. Info packed!
Amateur. I always watch things on 2x.
Base model Corvette/Supra track battle 🤔
6k difference now that’s interesting
This is what I foresee happening. The Corvette will probably be faster around the track but the Supra will be the more fun car to drive. That's my prediction. The more I see the Supra the more I like the exterior design more so over the Corvettes. But from what I've seen I prefer the Corvettes interior. Just my opinions on this comparison.
Inb4 c8 comes out and it only costs a little more
@@99-Zulu Three years later, the Corvette will be falling apart if wheel quality flaws have not wrecked it.
Corvette is faster, Supra is more fun to drive/balanced as in it's playful but safe whereass the vette steps out and you actually might die
@@horuslupercal3872 idk with the midengine and fancier interior I think it might be pricier.
This car with BMW parts makes no sense. I can totally buy an almost new RCF with a V8 (not F Sport) for the same money or less. That’s a Lexus, the car looks equally good and gives you back seats and more space. If anything, this is a 3 year lease car for a single male. RCF over this any day. I am sure this is a fun car.... but no thanks
Agreed.
Should have used the RCF engine. Who cares if it’s not a inline 6. Can’t believe it would do much to the weight distribution either.
I have no problems with joint ventures like this in general, but it IS a shame that they chose to use the legendary Supra name for this. A heritage/halo model like the Supra should have been developed completely in-house... but, oh well, it's all about the money, after all.
Let's just hope that BMW improved on their reliability...
Edit: Oh, god that shifter.. one of those yucky digital BMW-type ones... plus, no manual? Yeah, this car is a missed opportunity...
I think the Supra should be based off the Lexus RC F. But change the engine to the new twin turbo v6 from the LS
They both beat Porsche by having 2 more cylinders 😆😆 a win win in my book and $20k less to boot
Yeah dropping 2 cylinders was a big miss step for Porsche.
Only Porsche worth buying now is gt3 and gt3 rs. But most of us don’t hv 200k.
@@BigHeadClan Well, it certainly was not a Mrs. Step.
@@maxnix346 That was terrible... I loved it.
Max Nix yes, it was a Ms. Step
I suppose the BMW engineers skipped the quality control meetings?
The engine was made with Toyota specification and quality control. Toyota rejected several revisions of the engine BMW made because it didn't meet Toyota's quality control standard.
Peder Hansen this is very wrong
@Peder Hansen True! Toyota subjected it to their testing and inspection regimen and signed off gladly.
@Peder Hansen Bingo! We have a winner!
@Peder Hansen He's a liar and a thief.
You have to compare it to the M2!!
econ0611 ... Yes!! I agree the M2 would be a great competitor!! IMHO, M2 all day long!😋😊
I think people dislike the reliability issues with BMW. people loved their Toyota because they’re still running and could mod the cars. These cars will be hard and expensive to get parts.
Toyota inspected the engine bolt by bolt with their own engineers and made notes for improvements until the engine met their standards. It's a BMW engine with Toyota standards. It should be pretty reliable. But yes, parts will be expensive.
@@sakura608 It is a BMW 99%. It WILL be unreliable.
Josh Khup get off my comment.
First time in Toyota's history the wheel wells from factory are properly filled with right size tires. Once again, thanks to BMW.
I wouldn't trust any BMW engine/cooling system/ wiring harness/heater core if you're at all thinking you'll own a car for longer than a warranty period. If you lease this, you're fine, but I would never again own/lease a BMW engineered product without a warranty. Just not worth the trouble.
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The new base mid-engine Corvette will start around $58K - I'll wait for it.
Why can't a wealthy billion dollar global manufacturer make their own engine and architecture? This is not Toyota's finest moment. How many folks are modifying a new $60K Toyota - especially when it is leased? Toyota leadership should be embarrassed by this misstep.
Toyota could make their own engine and platform, but why would they? It wouldn't have many other applications across their lineup (Lexus cars already have their own heavier platforms and engines). The high cost wouldn't be worth the sales of a niche car like the Z4/Supra, which is also why BMW didn't develop this on its own. So both manufacturers decided to split the development costs to develop this niche platform.
It doesn't matter how wealthy the company is, do you even know how much it costs to manufacturer vehicles in the modern age? Chrysler spent $1 billion just retooling and preparing to build their minivan. A brand new inline six will cost Toyota hundreds of millions and they won't get that money back because they don't see it as usable in other vehicles. They love their V6 in all their SUVs.
Bottomline: It's all about economics
@@faeinthebay Mercedes made the decision to move from V6 to a new inline 6 that can support a 48 volt system and it provides efficiencies needed to support increased increased efficiency standards. That engine will live in their SUVs, sedans, and probably sportier coupes.
Something is going on in Toyota where they have engines (v8 is 13 years old) and platforms that are quite old and not seen updating. Are the money folks controlling the product planners/engineers?
@@dailyrant4068 A 1980s Supra was priced in the $50K range and an inflation adjusted Supra would be $70K.
It Toyota had a fully evolved RWD flexible architecture that could be shared across multiple vehicles the expense could be shared. The VW Group knows how to do these things and explains why they are #1 globally.
@@anthonycbrown1952 That's precisely the point most of us have made already, Toyota doesn't have a good use for a "RWD flexible architecture".
Rev up your Toyota!! Oh wait..
rofl
Other than the Toyota logo, everything - the engine, dash, infotainment, lock buttons, controls even the battery is BMW.
gonna have BMW owners shopping at the toyota dealer for cheaper parts now rofl
Unfortunately this is going to be the most unreliable Toyota ever :(
@@ForTehNguyen That a fact? BMW inline-6 engines (this one particularly) have been pretty solid for the past 2 decades
Shahed Hasnat thank u capt obvious
Tell the chassis that, I guarantee you see the 86 with Subaru stamping, but tell me an STI drives like an 86
thats where my worries begin... i would hate this thing once its out of warranty.
Alex made it sound like Toyota and BMW jointly developed both cars from scratch. BMW came in with the entire engine, the transmission and most of the computer control modules, including the iDrive. Toyota designed their Supra body panels. Make no mistake, this is a BMW wearing Toyota clothing.
So
much prefer the other way around
@@DatDude7802 You're gonna get BMW reliability. If you're used to the famous Toyota "change the oil and forget about it" maintenance schedule, it will be an eye opener for you.
Yup. And that Toyota-designed body is simply hideous.
@@M1911jln WTF is wrong with your eyes? Hideous?? No way! You sound like a hater because this car will turn heads once it's out on the roads.
I believe porsche has said the manual take rate for the 718 and 911 was 50%... so people are buying manual sports cars
It's more a 75-80% auto
I hope the BMW parts aren’t gonna destroy the Toyota reliability
They will.
Oh, they absolutely will
3-4 years max and then you gotta unload it on some sucker that will be fixing it
If Toyota texted the Supra through Quality control they wouldn’t pass it because the engine is turbo lol. Toyota is against forced induction.
The design of this car looks like it should’ve been released in 2009
That was a really great review Alex and keep up the good work bro : )
Can Toyota + BMW = Supra?
The answer is no.
Yes!
@@rightlanehog3151 NO!
@@doctorlarry2273 My Yes indicated that I agreed with No.
I'm a Toyota guy. I've owned Toyotas for about 20 years. Alex, I completely disagree with you about the BMW tie-up. I buy Toyotas knowing that I will give up some excitement and in return get Toyota reliability. That is why we buy Toyotas.
Toyota makes several excellent V6 engines, both naturally aspirated and turbocharged. As much as I like inline-6 engines, I would much rather have a Toyota-developed V6 than a BMW-sourced inline-6. BMW sadly has a history of serious reliability issues, and this car is a BMW built by Magna Steyr in Austria.
I don't have a problem with the ZF automatic (other than the fact that there is no manual transmission available). As automatics go, the ZF is one of the best. I despise the BMW shifter, though that is a rant for another day...
The styling is, frankly, hideous. The fake vents are atrocious. They can make up whatever stories they want about the fake vents, but fake vents just suck -- they are indicative of lazy designers. The visibility looks poor, with very short side windows.
Toyota blew this. Toyota spent a great deal of money developing the 200 Series Land Cruiser, even though it also sells in very low numbers, but that is a Toyota through-and-through, with legendary Toyota reliability. Toyota chose not to make the same investment in the Supra. That is their decision. My decision in response is that I won't buy this car; it simply isn't a Toyota. If I want to buy a BMW, I'll go to the BMW dealer and buy one.
You are exactly right. You could not bive me a BMW if I had to keep it over 3 years. I will happily keep my 1994 MKIV - which will last longer than this 2020 BRZ4.
You need to mention that even though the engine was made by BMW, it was made to Toyota specificaiton and quality control standard. Toyota rejected several revisions of the engine BMW made because it didn't meet Toyota's quality control standard.
There really isn’t much justification to this. The Toyota engineers simply said they selected the engine used because it met the performance criteria. It is unlikely to be any different than the same engine in other models
Lies.
Time will tell if it has the classic Toyota durability or not. Bmw not a bad car but parts just don’t last like other brands.
@@AdamRosenberg90 NO! This is a BMW engine - Toyota had nothing to do with developing it and they could not change anything but the tune. They detuned it for "reliability".
I contacted several high volume Toyota dealerships. They are anticipating a market adjustment of at least $8,000.
Holy crap, Alex!
10/10 for front seats that make you look like your sitting in the rear with how poor your vision is.
Your head disappears as you sit back in the seat.
And where is my convertible!
Heck, for this money I would just look at the new Z4
It's a perfectly awesome car. Just not sure it's a Supra. I still like it though.
I double checked the badge and can confirm this is indeed a Supra! Sure its not a GT anymore but it's the new type of Supra. Looks like it's way better than what many mk4 owners originally believed it would be.
@@gt0703 It's not a Supra. It is a Z4 with a roof, a Supra badge, and a whole lot of ugly ladled on top.
it has the Supra name and marketed as a Supra but underneath mechanically it is not a Toyota Supra because Toyota did not built the engine transmission differential what suspension is BMW even the interior is BMW the only thing up here is Toyota is the badges so basically it's a BMW Supra
@humble harambe i give millions of fucks if it's a true toyota or not. No reasons to buy it if it's a bmw. If you are not a toyota fan keep it to yourself. We can decide for ourselves what to think of this car. What do you even care if you are a bmw troll? It's a toyota problem. If we wanted or liked bmws we would drive them but we don't for a reason.
@humble harambe I would buy this car - if it were a Toyota. All parts are from the BMW parts bin. Look at any labeled part in the car (outside the badging) and it says BMW. Period. This car will have the proven (un)reliability of the BMW engines - iincluding this B58. You are the troll - how many Supras have you owned?? My tastefully modded 1994 MKIV turbo will eat this for lunch and will continue to be more reliable over the next few years - even given it's age.
I don't mind the BMW design components too much, my only concerns are:
1. Reliability: Toyota is one of the most, if not *the* most, reliable car brand in the world. BMW? Not so much.
2. Why did they veer away from the FT-1 Concept? It looked really cool.
There's another vid out on YT about this, but Toyota engineers subjected the BMW engine to their rigorous endurance and reliability testing & design revisions. I wouldn't be worried about reliability at all. A reliable BMW? Hell yes.
No concept has translated exactly to production and you can honestly see a lot of resemblance. He addressed the proportions but most of the details save for the interior and the bottom bump that has been replaced with an inlet. I would compare them again. Topspeed.com has a comparison and you’ll see they look fairly similar.
Have owned several BMW family products and had no reliability issues. BMW had a problem with fuel pumps but that has to do with the supplier of the part.
Toyota reliability in 2018/2019? Google Camry/ Highlander 8 spd transmission problems.
Like he said, concept was too wide for the BMW designed chassis.
@@anthonycbrown1952 ZF 8HP is one of the best if not the best AT in the world, currently.
The streering wheel and all the controls are exactly the same as my 2016 bmw 320i!
How has your bimmer held up? I know it’s a different engine, but have all the electronics been good, bad, or minimal hiccups? Should be a good indicator of expectations for the Supra.
@@Day7Reset after owning another BMW and 3 Mercedes, all of which, to be honest, were money pits, after 2 and a half years, I have not had a single problem. However, I deliberately got the base model no navigation or fancy electronics- less to go wrong.
Dan Bernstein glad your current car is working out so far. Really hope the Supra does the same. Though it seems this car comes in loaded with gizmos even in base trim. Maybe Toyota could use BMW’s 2.0T in a lower cost version. Lower cost and less gizmos and more fun for the tuner crowd to work with.
Alex, just so you know, I watch your review FIRST out of all the top youtube car reviewers. You give us ALL the details and facts.
The Fast Lane was out first and featured the Toyota chief engineer with some very interesting commentary.
The BMW part don’t bother me at all. It’s the fake vents that bother me.
The vents are not fake. Reviewers keep saying that and they're wrong, the vents setup was explained to them by Toyota and they still mislead their viewers.
Scotty H they are totally fake. There is nothing behind them. To make them function you will have to cut the body up.
Do consumers really have a problem "defining the driver and passenger zones" that BMW/Toyota must solve with different color armrests?
I love it. Wish I could afford it.
I'm going to wait a few years until a "Supra" TRD PRO model comes out. I really want it with a snorkel... i mean desert air intake.
Working instead of fake vents and scoops would be nice.
It's Toyota's tradition to pair-up with another automaker for sports cars, but with all their best selling sales of Rav4, Camry & Corolla (combined, 1 million units sold in the U.S. last year), they act like they're barely hanging on like Mazda. Easier to tune aftermarket than the Mustang or Camaro? Well, there's 55 years of aftermarket parts for those two.
I hope Toyota replace all the plastic stuffs that BMW famous for
tttran60 more like the other way around, BMW interior even in lower trim is better... though my experience is mostly with 5 and 7 series so I might be biased...
They did not. The biggest problem is all the plastic in/around the engine - it will be toast in 3-4 years.
Is this going to be the first toyota that will need a new cooling system by 50K-60K miles?
I wonder what dealership is going to market this Frankenstein?? You buy at Toyota dealership but you have to take it to BMW for parts...... No thanks!
@@tomj4731 No - Toyota is having to train techs, buy toolsets, and devote (waste) time and space to try and service a BMW. BMW will NOT sevice a TOyota.
What Toyota needs to do (or no all car manufacturers need to do) is come back with their older cars
Cameron White emissions make that impossible.
Well that freaking sucks
I have an M240i xDrive 8spd. I wonder how the Supra compares. It looks more exciting to me, but I do love the awd in my BMW, and its greater practicality. And of course, my BMW's limits far exceed mine as a driver.
I don't understand when Toyota have the Lexus lc500 platform or the RC platform why did it go to BMW .??
Because the LC is a bit too big
@@AAutoBuyersGuide okay so what's wrong with the RC-f platform?
According to Toyota, the RC platform was too big and too heavy
Alex on Autos also the RC platform is a mix of the IS and GS a mixed Frankenstein of platform and its also heavy
This or the Stinger/G70 Sport? And how about the aging Q50?
Stinger and g70 doesn't really compete with this. This is much more performance focused and less practical than those.
@@LionsheartificationI know that but they come about the same price, comparably equipped.
G70 3.3TT for a bit more luxury and Stinger for a bit more utilitarian use because of the hatch. Those can run high 12s in the quarter stock so plenty of power with much more practicality.
Why did you ignore the corvette in your comparison?
The definitive review.
Both this and the 86 would be so much more appealing if they had let BMW/Subaru build the bodies but installed a Toyota powertrain. This just has lazy written all over it. Toyota wants to have "sports cars" without dedicating any of the time and expense necessary to build their own. If I were actually in the market for either of these cars I would purposely buy a BRZ or a Z4.
But you aren't. Instead, you write shitty comments all over the internet in waiting for a client during your shift at Subway making 10 $ an hour because you refused to suck the boss.
Manual is more expensive than auto? Since when? It's a damn sports car - meant and designed to be modified! Slap a Getrag 6 in it from 20+ years ago and you have a perfect package. Automatic = cheaper; what???
He means its more expensive to manufacture and offer 2 options and therefore would increase the overall cost to the consumer.
"no other manufacturer makes a main stream 2 seater for this price range" cough cough corvette.
Reading from a script. They paid him to say all these things. Not a objective review.
im just worried about Toyota using BMW parts bin... coz its pretty much public knowledge that one doesn't last as long as the other. *sigh*
Best in-depth review I've ever watch. Period.
I am liking it now that reviews are in. Built in controversy at no extra charge.
Thanks Alex! Your consistently excellent vehicle reviews are by far the most comprehensive, insightful and informative that I've seen over the past several years. While I appreciate this new Supra, I'll wait to see what Mazda has in the pipeline for an RX-9, inline 6-cylinder with manual transmission and RWD when I'm in the market for a new ride a few years down the road.
Toyota could’ve just used the Lexus RC package for this project. Imagine a modernized 2JZ variant...... people would have bought these in droves.
I doubt that many more people would have bought a modernized 2JZ, and considering how high development costs are these days, why should Toyota bother?
@@faeinthebay Why did Mazda just introduce their NEW inline 6?
@@doctorlarry2273 Because they're moving upmarket and don't have any newer in-house engine designs that offer the characteristics they're looking for? I don't know what you're implying.
I like it, but it just reminds me how insane it is that you can buy a 2019 Corvette Stingray for the same price. Far superior vehicle.
That's what I did. I was not even a Vette guy until now. It's just a great sports touring car for 55k.
It's more desirable than I thought it would be. 50k+ is beyond what I'm willing to spend on a car right now, but if I was in that range this is a must drive.
I don't mind the BMW partnership, Toyota beefed up the engine ensuring their quality and reliability standards were met. However I wish Toyota used The S68 engine from the M3/ M4 competition producing (503hp) 375KW and make this a proper fast sports car. . .
No stick shift really kills the interest for me, that's why I got the 86 last week =D
No spare tire, BMW battery system, engine, transmission, interior switch-gear... why did they name this Supra? Should have let the legend stay awesome in memory and call this the GT96 or something. Then it would not have to fill the same shoes as it does with the Supra nameplate.
Also way better than Supra IV. At is made by ZF and used by Chrysler and Rolls Royce and Jaguar, among others.
@@maxnix346 Not much better than a stock MKIV and not at all as good as the average MKIV of today - like mine. I have no problem with the new automatics like the ZF - they are particularly fast, especially for turbo cars because you get a boost drop when manual shifting that you do not get with an auto. HOwever, the 99% BMW thing kills this car for me and will plague the owners after about 3 years.
As soon as the Stickshifter comes, this car is worth buying.
It’s like the Acura NSX: it’s fantastic but the name just doesn’t apply. The new NSX was so hyped for so long but just wasn’t the same idea as the original. This is in the same boat. It’s just not like the original Supra
True Toyota purist fanboys would understand the Kaizan method and what this easy to upgrade Supra model is really about.
10:40 Only Alex has his phone 'plugged in' with a wireless charging mat. lol
Does his phone have wireless charging?
Regardless. It is the wording that makes it funny.
Then I guess we don't have a Supra. bmw the least reliable of the German brands, well done
I know right.....the most unreliable company vs arguably the most reliable automaker.....lets see what happens..lolz
I would like to see a 2+2, about a foot longer based on this, with optional awd, that would be awesome for $10K more.
BMW 440 here you go.
this is a really really good review
Great work as usual Alex, especially appreciate your thoughtful choice to compare to the non-obvious choices of Camaro and Mustang
Money wise I would buy a Camaro ss 1le
Guess what! One can now take their Toyota Supra to a BMW Center for engine and drivetrain service,...and their Z4 to a Toyota Dealership for engine/drivetrain service!
Edit: The "Supra Look",...I just saw it at "2:36" and "3:53"! This to me is the new Supra's best viewing angles!!
Actually you would have to take the Supra to a Toyota dealer that is totally unprepared to service a BMW. They need separate techs, toolsets, training for this one car and they have no experience with unreliable cars. It will be a disaster.
It's like a slower Japanese Corvette
Name the faster Japanese Corvette, please.
Toyota Supra or used (2014-2015) Porsche Cayman S with manual ?
What a lovely balanced review. Thank you
What's the cost of ownership on the Supra versus other models mentions since BMW maintenance costs are quite high?
90's turbo lag except the 4R4, those little TD04's spool up nice and quick.
Hi Alex, how would you compare the transmission of this one to the Ford's 10 speed?
Mr J no contest. ZF 8 speed is far superior and outdoes any transmission
If you think the interior is "reminiscent" of Toyota - you better look again. It is BMW through and through. Good thing they defined the driver zone with red, otherwise how would we know where to sit? Turbo lag in the MKIV sequential system? No - it was very responsive. Larger single turbos had definite lag, but not the stock twins. Of course, turbo tech has changed a lot in 17 years, so it should be better. I have a small single on my MKIV and it has almost no lag. Yes - Supra "purists", i.e., those that know and understand the previous generations, don't like it being a BMW. While an inline six is ideal for balance, if it comes from BMW it will not be reliable. Automatics are so good these day, it is a mixed bag, but many still want a manual option in a sports car. "A sprinkle of BMW DNA? Why not?" This is built with BMW parts throughout and will be as unreliable as other BMWs. Get rid of it before the engine takes a dump after 3-4 years. That is "why not". Toyota should have called this something else. It is only a marginal improvement over the previous generation - 17 years ago! No, I will not be buying one since it is basically a BMW.
Think about it even though the Supra has less power it's just as or faster than Lexus RC F, which cost $13,000 more and that's just comparing base model.
Light weight but strong chassis helps. RC are fat cars. Bad news for BMW haters.
The RCF is a heavy GT car with a V8 and way better quality build by Lexus. The Zupra is a nimble light sports car with a decent interior shared with daddy BMW.
@@Sarcastic_Asmodeus Well, according to Alex on Autos and some other journalists the Supras quality/luxury is on par with Lexus.
@@ron2366, right. A car with recycled BMW parts is on par with Lexus interior. Specifically the F models. Ok. Also, Alex is the only who's said something like this so far. I mean look at the Zupras steering wheel. Seriously. Lol
@@Sarcastic_Asmodeus Agree with you, but at least we are getting good light weight rear wheel sports car.
I wounder how much it costs to replace that battery.
You just throw the car away by the time it fails, no point in fixing BMW. ( 3-4 years)
Hey @Alex, how would this Supra be for an over 65 year old crowd as a touring car? Is that ride too harsh?
First time seen your video good job cameras and all the details 👏👏
Great review as always!
Id use the same money on a leased return Alfa Romeo 4c hard top. But still a hard choice.
Since it’s Toyota you can either use premium or regular gasoline?
Okay, but that rear end isn’t proportional. I don’t hate it... but I don’t like it. People say it should be a Toyota engine but we gotta remember Toyota hasn’t been good at sports cars. But honestly I think they should’ve chosen a more reliable company at least. But at least they aren’t doing that Yamaha engine mistake again!
The Yamaha head on the 2JZ is great. That partnership worked well and would have produced a better product than a B58.
Alex
Do you think you can put a Road bike into the storage area , by placing it in ,gear side up , with front wheel removed ?
How was road noise from tires , etc in the cabin , windows up ?
"Dive into the elephant in the room up front. "
when you try to force a cliche shitty phrase into your video
You're breaking my heart Alex. You said it yourself though, a manual would be more fun than the auto. So whatever advantages the auto may have are negated by being less fun and involving. What is the point of the supra other than being fun?
Alex you are the bet keep it that way👍👍👍👍good info sir as always
Gj hitting the apexes!
I love you Alex! I hope to meet you in person someday!
Got all the supra notifications, only clicked on Alex's.
Alex, pricing aside what are your thoughts on this compares to a Jaguar F Type S? I can snatch a nice low miles pre owned model for close to Supras price and is the only other front engine coupe, RWD, 2 seater, 6 cylinder with similar power.
Toyota + BMW = V6 Camaro 335 HP
Except the B58 inline six is a MUCH better engine then GM's 3.6 and the MPG's are going to destroy the 3.6 at the same time. What's really lacking for GM is they use their crappy in house 8 speed. Its a pile of shit compared to the ZF 8 speed. Plus a long history of shuttering and torque convertors failures. The Supra will hit 60 a second sooner then the Camaro. Both have 335 HP but your comparing the crappy GM 3.6 to the legendary B58 inline six. And then you have the ZF 8 speed in the toy which is the best AT on the planet full stop. Then you have the cheap interior of the GM next to the toy that has BMW's full center stack and high quality materials. Right up there with all the rest of the German cars that obliterate anything Detroit can come up with.
Toyota + BMW= (v6 Camaro 335hp = Camaro dead)
I think this car is worth this price. Very nice car with a reasonable price, well done!!
How would you compare this to BMW M240i (similar price tags and same engine)?
In general I like your reviews, but this one is extra special. Great job - pack with information and perspective. Thanks. ;-)