How is the buffeting? One of the major complaints with the 2020 edition was that you couldn't drive them with the window down any faster than 50kmph / 30mph without getting beat up. And if there is a Kia made version of the Ford Mustang. They called it the Genesis Coup, it's a thing of the past with Genesis splitting to become a separate brand, and the advent of the Stinger and G70, but the old Genesis was a RWD mid size V6 that leaned towards performance. Just like base models of the Mustang.
5 pedals would be awesome! Imagine steering with the two additional pedals, you could put a giant 20 inch screen right where the steering wheel would be. Lots of glossy black plastics around it of course 🥴
@@apocalypse487 How does he do those super-smooth camera movements? Is a Steadicam enough? I can't imagine he builds rails to move the camera on like they do in the movies.
Just to add to the host's final thoughts, I like to tell people "If you keep on whining about these modern sportscars, you'll get even more crossovers".
100% with you on that . I see suv's EVERY WHERE it's just disgusting to look at and takes so much spaces . Seriously, do we need car to be that big . I love me some sport cars !
I was waiting for this video ever since the 2.0 was revealed. Thank you for being the only car reviewer, as I expected, to give a specific comparison between the 2.0 and 3.0, unlike the vast majority who only mentions differences that are evident on paper even when they have a chance to drive the actual car. You also are the only car reviewer who also is not jaded by the enthusiast crowd, who will always yell 6-cylinders and more horsepower, giving more weight to your unbiased reviews. You never once said "I wish it had more horsepower." like what every other 2.0 reviewer says, cementing that they already sit in the cabin with the mindset that it's not it's own car but just a lesser version of the 3.0. Even though the 2.0 was most likely not the focus for selling out of Asia, Tada-san must be content to have one non-Japanese reviewer understand why the 2.0 exists and what he did to make it unique. My straights mean traffic and I have no access to a track. Now I can feel more confident about making the right purchase when I do pick up the 2.0 (or a Miata... lol).
You guys nailed this one. The best Supra review I’ve seen hands down. The content, the videography etc top shelf. Most of my RUclips watching is done on my iPad, your videos go to my 4K TV where I consume movie content. Thanks SG
Yep, SG definitely took off the nostalgia goggles so many other reviewers have on and they call an apple an apple. It's a tuner version of a BMW they slapped a nostalgic name on to sell cars; it's a great car, but it's an upgraded BMW Z clown shoe and the driving DNA shines through, it's not a real in house designed Supra like the Nissan Z35 is a true JDM evolution of a JDM legend. If Toyota called it something else, anything else, folks like myself would have been irked less but the fact they tried to pull the wool over our eyes, the Zupra is just a lie on wheels, albeit a fast one. Way to go Toyota, you went from being a great OEM with the AE86, GT-Four, MK4 and SW20, to a high end slippery spineless tuner shop.
Tony Chau he’s alright as junk food for the eyes for me, let’s me know what I need to know if it’s a car I’d never own. If I really care about the car I’ll watch SG
For those who are wondering, the intro song that starts at 00:50 is "Viriya - Boss at Nova" (the intro part of the song starts at around the 2 minutes mark). There, now you don't have to spend 5 minutes using online services to identify the song.
As 2020 owner I am not even mad, you are just $2k away of 430whp with a couple of mods and a Tune. Would be interesting to see the Tuning potential on the 2021 with the 10:1 pistons. As for the 6 vs 2 exhaust ports, I don't think that's a bottle neck at all, people are pushing 650/700 whp and the transmission starts to slip before the Engine is maxed out. The only concern would be price wise, the 2020 will drop in price, but if you keep the car long term that is not an issue either. We appreciate this kind of reviews Mark, great quality and honesty. My second car is fact the Z4M (06) and my Supra is exactly the Matte Gray, just like the one reviewed. It's funny to see both reviews from you just weeks between them!
12:24 FACTS "if manufacturers only built enthusiast cars, they'd all be bankrupt". I keep telling everyone, automatic sells- stats sheet dont lie. Great review as always guys. issa good day when supra vids from Jackie Ding TA build, Papadaski Drift build and yours all popped up at once
Last time I was this early, the FRS wasn't rusty underneath But on a serious note, I can't believe Toyota still REFUSES to offer this with a manual. Most of the people I've seen buying these cars are car enthusiasts in some regard and many who would've otherwise considered it did not solely because of the auto-only option. I'm guessing it's because BMW doesn't want competition between the Supra and M2 more than anything else! Also, thank you so much for actually looking at those suspension changes and chassis changes underneath! So many car journalists don't examine cars in such detail as you do and it's what keeps me coming back to your channel every review!
GoogleLeaveMyNameAlone He said they may add it in the future model years. Also I believe the reason they don’t have a manual because BMW no longer offers manuals with their car. Toyota would have to do that on their own.
They won't add it because it would kill their upcoming GT86 replacement that has manual. It sucks that they are manipulating you this way. Why not let the product speak for it self? Make GT86 worthy, and lightweight, and people will choose it over the heavy Supra to carve mountains even if they both had manuals. This way two subpar products and you must choose lesser evil.
Oh don’t worry, they’ll be forced to add it if the Nissan 400z ends up having it. If that doesn’t, then we’ll almost never get a manual sports car again
It's funny how many people complain about sports cars , oh they aren't made 100% by the company who sells them , oh they don't have a manual , etc ..... It doesn't matter, you aren't going to buy one either way ... All the tards who complain about it being a bmw aren't going to buy one even if it's 100% Toyota
Another great review! Still not a fan (of this model, might change with a manual) but the amount of research and detail you guys offer is truly what makes the channel stand out in a sea of car reviewers today ;)
This channel also stands out for offering criticisms in areas other reviews completely ignore, or are ignorant of (or, are afraid of jeopardizing being loaned future test cars).
Agreed. My favourite part is the in the shop part of the reviews. You rarely see this in other reviews and it makes such a difference. Some comments about repair ability and cost would come in handy though. Something I feel has been missing without Scott
People are so committed to hating this car it’s unbearable..especially considering how solid the car is. Bullet proof engine, M2C front suspension geometry, light weight chassis. This car got so many things right.
I just spent 1 hour trying to get Dell to accept a warranty request prior to watching this video... So the Dell technologies bit got a chuckle out of me when I imagined the laptop beside me burning in a fire-pit.
I think people latch on WAY too much to the old Supra, and completely disregard this one for not being a 100% Toyota product. I mean, in reality, the Mk4 probably wasn't as good as this. It's straight up a huge evolution, and still adds up that space for a heapload of tuning ability like the Mk4 had, except probably being a whole lot better. And its just like Savagegeese said, adding a manual to it, giving the interior a more Toyota look with that mk4 look except modernized, and for the love of god disabling the damn fake engine noise, and imo people couldn't bitch anymore about it. Unless they're just unpleasable.
@@diogovieira3362 for me it was the fact that it is really ugly imo, and seemed a bit souless, too close to being a rebadged z4 also. no clutch option even thought the z4 comes with one
This isn't like Japanese four bangers. This is asthmatic BMW 4 banger that will never compete with Mitsubishi, Honda or Nissan engines famous for tuning.
@@idokwatcher2062 Mitsubishi doesn't make sports cars anymore, Honda only finally added torque, Subaru has the torque-less brz and antique engines, Nissan is trash across the board currently ( I drive a 370z). The Japanese companies basically abandoned us. Not sure what you're talking about. If you're seriously concerned about power which I'm not, lets bump up to 6 cyl at least. The Germans at least put in effort lul. (not a fanboy of anything) hotch out
you guys are hands down my favorite car review videos. Its nice to have REAL car guys input on how the vehicle handles instead of empty vague comentary like 99% of other RUclipsrs. Thanks guys. Looking forward to the I4 Supra track review.
I liked mine, traded it for a GTR. The Supra is more fun. The GTR on the road you never get the feeling the car is doing anything. The Supra even though slower feels more engaged when daily driving.
How i fixed some of the numbness on my b58 car: Catless downpipe, open filter intake, active sound tuned out, pops and burbles turned way down with a flash tune. Really transforms the car
SG is about to reach the perfection on his rewviews.... putting the absolute perfect mix of technic / background / info while not neglecting the meaning on any review: expression. It is a pure pleasure to watch
I was waiting to hear Mark’s opinion on this. Im still kinda on the fence about the supra, but this update has definitely made me think. And I agree a manual would be the cherry on top. But I’m also upset they got rid of downshift blue for 2021 which was by far the sexiest color
To be fair to him, I think there's a pretty big difference between a track-day car, something you could take to the track once in a while, and a track/race car, designed predominantly to be driven on the track.
Toyota also said it was targeted at the Cayman, a car with a manual. Clearing the air though, a car can be designed with track days in mind, but that doesn't mean they are going to take track days with no issue stock. Early 86 had track day fuel pump, brake, and (arguably) tire problems and that car was specifically targeted at trackdays. Hell Toyota/a dealer was sued and had to pay because of it.
hyperbomb02 not only did the cayman have a manual, it just seems insane to me to target a mid engined car when the car they made is front engined. Such a different dynamic
The 4 cylinder is not only 200lbs lighter, but it’s got the better looking wheel set. And smaller wheels are better anyways. Just needs a 6MT “RS” version that’s “another” 200 lbs lighter. 2980lbs? Yes please.
Back after a long absence, it’s now great to listen to you and Jack Singapore as well as view the (even better) videography. Got a lot of catching-up to do-
You're my favourite car RUclips channel, Mr. Goose. As life long car enthusiast (since I could speak), career automotive technician, and owner of an E46 M3 and 2020 Supra your videos are like porn to me. I feel that your opinions are to be trusted. I enjoy your cynical demeanor as well as when you actually lift the vehicles that you review and inspect them with actual mechanical knowledge of what you review. It's so unique compared to any other RUclipsr. Also, don't feel sorry for me for owning a 2020 Supra. The changes from 2021 don't effect me as much as I'm not leaving it stock... a $300 catless downpipe and $500 tune which I can upload from my IPhone is good for 500 crank hp. Thanks again for fabulous reviews, you're brilliant.
The GR Supra is an amazing sports car on its own and I think the Toyota-BMW collaboration has came out well I still need to drive the car for myself but I do agree it needs a manual transmission like any sports car
@@charlesbakston7414 well you see the R35 and Supra are in two different classes of cars The R35 is a supercar whereas the Supra is a sports car Oh and btw the manual is confirmed for the Supra and has been in testing recently
@@basithph8958 What difference does that make about two vehicles being in different categories of when it comes down to Transmissions? If you want to go there, then the Supra A90 MK5 is a budget Supercar in that case. The GENERAL POINT is that there's plenty of other vehicles out there that gets praises, which those are Manuals themselves. And yes, I heard about the MK5 A90 Supra supposedly getting a manual transmission.....however, will the "I would only buy it if it comes in manual" Keyboard Warriors put their money where their mouth is? It's just like the same Keyboard Warriors whom talk sh*t on the A90 Supra "not being a whole Toyota car", yet where was everyone when the A80 Supra MK4 was in dealerships when that vehicle was a poor seller? Same with the Lexus LFA, which that was a poor seller, Lexus RFC, ETC....and the Lexus LC500 is about to be on the list as Toyota's poor selling vehicles! Go figure.
Its not that bad, but if you want to see this engine cleaned up look at papadakis Supra or Ken Gushi's Supra engine bays. Its possible to do a clean up.
I've been slowing falling in love with the Supra after being unimpressed initially. As soon as it has a stick I would consider getting one, until then a CPO m3, m2 or new SS1Le is way better value.
That’s the point. Toyota paid them hot dollars to make a good video but it’s only skin deep. I wanted a true Toyota Supra and I’m never going to consider buying one of these abominations. When owners see the values drop through the floor they’ll move onto something else. I see this being cancelled in 5 years.
The car reminds me of my 370 a lot in its 6cyl, 2 seater, hatch configuration and yes, even the buffeting, just newer and tighter. I'd upgrade to the Supra if it didn't cost $100k locally (double what my Z cost me new). Love that inline 6 though
Actually Mark, Tada-san said that, they'd pop the strut brace on when they increase the power output. He also said that, on the v1.0 Supra, they left the brace out so as to achieve a perfect "balance" (because the torsional rigidity is higher than that of the LFA), and that the enthusiast could add them because the airbox was designed to take it whilst also leaving holes for it. Thanks again, guys for enriching us with a 'premium' viewing experience (even though there were a few typos here and there).
The mx5 was a collab car as well, but it has a dedicated manual! The difference to me is that Mazda is actually trying to build a car for the market, where as Toyota is having someone else build a car for the market & then their marketing department is trying to tell people what they want. To me, Mazda should be the example of how a collab sports car is done properly WRT preserving the manual.
You guys should do car comparisons more often (not just between trims like this video, but between competing models e.g. Z4 vs Supra). It's a good way to let your personalities shine differently while adding some more dynamic content to your videos. I'm sure it's harder to set up logistically, but just an idea.
Toyota's argument has always been they are there for tuners although most agree the actual reason is they plan to eventually throw more power at the car and having those vents there means they would not have to re-design any sheet-metal.
@Sideways G Meanwhile, at BMW, all their stamping and hydroforming machines broke so they just designed the new 4 series as a slab sided amorphous pill. Looks like a Mustang they left in the oven too long... Maybe they should do a collabo with Toyota's design engineers. Find a happy medium between the insane pokemon styling of Japanese sports cars and the lately hideous/boring BMW design trend
I would like all of the weight reductions and simplifications of the 4 cylinder model, with the drive train of the 6 cylinder. And of course, a manual transmission. I don't care about all the luxury and fancy stuff, I want the best driving experience.
The complaint about the BMW collaboration is realistically silly when you consider all the facts of what it takes in today's world to successfully produce and sell these type of cars. And if you really think about it, it's actually a GREAT blend. You borrow some BMW engineering and add in Toyota's painstaking reliability standards, and THEN price it below the cost of a BMW equivalent. I see absolutely nothing to complain about!
that would be an interesting compare...the stang Might be faster, definitely more hp but the supra is Far more a sports car and would easily out handle it
Damn Mr. Goose, I think that was the best intro so far. The cinematography and music we're incredible. You really are a master of your craft. Keep it coming :)
Test drove a 2.0 this weekend and will either it or the 3.0. If you want true connecting experience you need a motorcycle. Picked up a BMW R9T in Jan and it's about as old school as they get for a new machine.
this is literally my dream car. been saving up for a while now. I'm a big toyota fan. got a camry now. but when I get some money saved up here I come supra
Yup bmw being bmw. They try to compensate for it by using the rear brakes as an LSD clutch pack but it doesn't respond as quickly and wears your rear brakes. For most drivers it does the job, but on a car this expensive and driver focused it seems criminal to not include a mechanical LSD.
BMW doesn’t need an excuse. The ownership of the end product belongs with Toyota. It is their choice not to offer a mechanical LSD on the 4 cylinder variant. BMW could have supplied one if Toyota requested it but it would’ve raised the price point of the vehicle.
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How is the buffeting? One of the major complaints with the 2020 edition was that you couldn't drive them with the window down any faster than 50kmph / 30mph without getting beat up.
And if there is a Kia made version of the Ford Mustang. They called it the Genesis Coup, it's a thing of the past with Genesis splitting to become a separate brand, and the advent of the Stinger and G70, but the old Genesis was a RWD mid size V6 that leaned towards performance. Just like base models of the Mustang.
Yes it sucks. (Buffeting) The only way Toyota will address it is the owners of the car go to the dealership and complain.
The genesis coupe was a good car, kind of like a cheaper G37
G70 coupe rumored to come back this year with a g70 coupe and that 3.3tt haha
@@IReahpZz No lie: I love the G70. It's one of two I daydream about owning.
@@M_773 Cheaper or less expensive? :)
Wouldn't it be one pedal short of greatness?
Yep, unless theres some magical 5 pedal unicorn car the Supra should be aspiring to...🤔
@@ElWapo973 how dare either of you second guess Savagegeese, obviously he knows more about the pedals than we ever could.
5 pedals would be awesome! Imagine steering with the two additional pedals, you could put a giant 20 inch screen right where the steering wheel would be. Lots of glossy black plastics around it of course 🥴
Hahavmy first thought, I move that they rename the video
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Once in a while Savagegeese reminds us all that he can destroy every other car review youtuber when it comes to videography and production quality.
It's because he invested a lot of time and money into learning videography and photography. And it shows.
@@apocalypse487 How does he do those super-smooth camera movements? Is a Steadicam enough? I can't imagine he builds rails to move the camera on like they do in the movies.
the technical term is form over content; you're welcome:-)
I think Mr. Goose's background is in Videography and Photograpgy
It's been a minute. I forgot
Say whatever you want about SG but without a doubt the best produced (video/editing/etc) of any auto channel on the RUclipss.
Agree
SavageGeese for car reviews and HardwareCanucks for PC/Mobile tech reviews.
@@GOD999MODE hardwarecanucks is garb
Everyday driver is better. Both are great.
Are you saying Regular Car Review leaving his farts in the commentary isn't peak editing?
Mark plays that intro music whenever he makes me belly dance for him and Mr. Singapore.
Of course and when you stop dancing I throw my food against the wall.
@@savagegeesewho does the intro music? I love it
That intro footage was dopeee
Paul du Plessis darude does the intro
@@Porlcynic He does the music himself as far as I know. He mentioned it in a Q&A.
Just to add to the host's final thoughts, I like to tell people "If you keep on whining about these modern sportscars, you'll get even more crossovers".
100% with you on that . I see suv's EVERY WHERE it's just disgusting to look at and takes so much spaces . Seriously, do we need car to be that big . I love me some sport cars !
Fully agree with this statement. We need more fun cars, not heavy af suvs on the road.
@@izzdin6228 then stop having families of 6 you damn mormons.
@@FiendTheatre lmao that came out of nowhere.
Yes but this not really a sports car. It's a commuter car for wanna-be's.
"The 6 cylinder gets adjustable dampers, big shock there...."
I see what you did there.
Dude, your cinematography and presentation is Top Shelf. My 4K keeps asking for more !!!
Thanks for putting so much effort into these reviews fellow Illinoier
if only I had the money I would buy 3.0 L 6 cylinder in a heartbeat. seems like a really cool car, which is a rarity nowadays
I was waiting for this video ever since the 2.0 was revealed. Thank you for being the only car reviewer, as I expected, to give a specific comparison between the 2.0 and 3.0, unlike the vast majority who only mentions differences that are evident on paper even when they have a chance to drive the actual car. You also are the only car reviewer who also is not jaded by the enthusiast crowd, who will always yell 6-cylinders and more horsepower, giving more weight to your unbiased reviews. You never once said "I wish it had more horsepower." like what every other 2.0 reviewer says, cementing that they already sit in the cabin with the mindset that it's not it's own car but just a lesser version of the 3.0. Even though the 2.0 was most likely not the focus for selling out of Asia, Tada-san must be content to have one non-Japanese reviewer understand why the 2.0 exists and what he did to make it unique. My straights mean traffic and I have no access to a track. Now I can feel more confident about making the right purchase when I do pick up the 2.0 (or a Miata... lol).
You guys nailed this one. The best Supra review I’ve seen hands down. The content, the videography etc top shelf. Most of my RUclips watching is done on my iPad, your videos go to my 4K TV where I consume movie content. Thanks SG
Yep, SG definitely took off the nostalgia goggles so many other reviewers have on and they call an apple an apple. It's a tuner version of a BMW they slapped a nostalgic name on to sell cars; it's a great car, but it's an upgraded BMW Z clown shoe and the driving DNA shines through, it's not a real in house designed Supra like the Nissan Z35 is a true JDM evolution of a JDM legend. If Toyota called it something else, anything else, folks like myself would have been irked less but the fact they tried to pull the wool over our eyes, the Zupra is just a lie on wheels, albeit a fast one. Way to go Toyota, you went from being a great OEM with the AE86, GT-Four, MK4 and SW20, to a high end slippery spineless tuner shop.
Doug DeMuro is the Big Mac and fries of auto reviews. This is cuisine.
I still don't know why people like that dude
Tony Chau he’s alright as junk food for the eyes for me, let’s me know what I need to know if it’s a car I’d never own.
If I really care about the car I’ll watch SG
@@tonychau1983 To hear him fart as he gets into the tighter cars.
@@southpaw117 thisssssssss is an [insert car here] and I'm goin to review it
Manual is a must for these types of cars. It makes driving more engaging.
I'm waiting for a 2.0 manual maybe it'll be affordable
They're just stupid making this car automatic. All of these sports cars should be manual only.
rollthelosingdice most people don’t drive manuals anymore they would be closing off a massive portion of their customers if they only offer manual
@@rollthelosingdice at the very least the 2.0L since its so slow.
@@thomasclark6642 Uhh no, people who want to drive them would have to LEARN something, and they would.
Surely it should be one pedal short of greatness?
That's what I also thought!!! He is basically saying this doesn't have any pedals!
@@rabayl01 or he thinks that the car should have 5 pedals
no, but what's better than three pedals? six pedals
Robert Jordan Paddle shifters on a manual?
Nope. The car would need a whole new pedal assembly if you were to put in a manual transmission, that is why he said what he said.
There aren’t enough superlatives in existence for how stupendously beautiful the opening is in this video. Absolutely incredible work, guys.
Again, superior content - I could almost say SG Supra content, flexing that muscle ;) Thx SG
For those who are wondering, the intro song that starts at 00:50 is "Viriya - Boss at Nova" (the intro part of the song starts at around the 2 minutes mark). There, now you don't have to spend 5 minutes using online services to identify the song.
This is up there with the best cinematography I’ve seen from this channel - the intro was gd unreal❗️❗️❗️
As 2020 owner I am not even mad, you are just $2k away of 430whp with a couple of mods and a Tune. Would be interesting to see the Tuning potential on the 2021 with the 10:1 pistons. As for the 6 vs 2 exhaust ports, I don't think that's a bottle neck at all, people are pushing 650/700 whp and the transmission starts to slip before the Engine is maxed out. The only concern would be price wise, the 2020 will drop in price, but if you keep the car long term that is not an issue either. We appreciate this kind of reviews Mark, great quality and honesty.
My second car is fact the Z4M (06) and my Supra is exactly the Matte Gray, just like the one reviewed. It's funny to see both reviews from you just weeks between them!
Homie has improved with vocal presentation well since starting/being introduced, so good job!
I miss Scotty-boi, and I wonder if there was a fallout, but as more of a co-host than a guest, Jack is great and keeps getting better at what he does.
Ryan He kinda just said the same thing about every car
12:24 FACTS "if manufacturers only built enthusiast cars, they'd all be bankrupt". I keep telling everyone, automatic sells- stats sheet dont lie. Great review as always guys. issa good day when supra vids from Jackie Ding TA build, Papadaski Drift build and yours all popped up at once
Last time I was this early, the FRS wasn't rusty underneath
But on a serious note, I can't believe Toyota still REFUSES to offer this with a manual. Most of the people I've seen buying these cars are car enthusiasts in some regard and many who would've otherwise considered it did not solely because of the auto-only option. I'm guessing it's because BMW doesn't want competition between the Supra and M2 more than anything else!
Also, thank you so much for actually looking at those suspension changes and chassis changes underneath! So many car journalists don't examine cars in such detail as you do and it's what keeps me coming back to your channel every review!
You watched the whoole ass video and didnt hear him say that they ARE adding it? Immediate gratification george over here
GoogleLeaveMyNameAlone He said they may add it in the future model years. Also I believe the reason they don’t have a manual because BMW no longer offers manuals with their car. Toyota would have to do that on their own.
They won't add it because it would kill their upcoming GT86 replacement that has manual. It sucks that they are manipulating you this way. Why not let the product speak for it self? Make GT86 worthy, and lightweight, and people will choose it over the heavy Supra to carve mountains even if they both had manuals. This way two subpar products and you must choose lesser evil.
@@googleleavemynamealone9145 "They MAY add it" I've known that for a long time but it's always been pushed aside by Toyota
Oh don’t worry, they’ll be forced to add it if the Nissan 400z ends up having it. If that doesn’t, then we’ll almost never get a manual sports car again
Another masterpiece symphony of cinematography, sound, and information. Best car reviews ever!!!
It's funny how many people complain about sports cars , oh they aren't made 100% by the company who sells them , oh they don't have a manual , etc ..... It doesn't matter, you aren't going to buy one either way ... All the tards who complain about it being a bmw aren't going to buy one even if it's 100% Toyota
Exactly 😂😂😂💀
So many guys are doing car reviews just to fill their schedules and get the clicks. You guys are doing it with heart and soul. Solute you.
Another great review! Still not a fan (of this model, might change with a manual) but the amount of research and detail you guys offer is truly what makes the channel stand out in a sea of car reviewers today ;)
This channel also stands out for offering criticisms in areas other reviews completely ignore, or are ignorant of (or, are afraid of jeopardizing being loaned future test cars).
@@kenhoward3512 yep, couldn't agree more. E.G. Ford Explorer review, SG came in from the top rope on that car!
Agreed. My favourite part is the in the shop part of the reviews. You rarely see this in other reviews and it makes such a difference. Some comments about repair ability and cost would come in handy though. Something I feel has been missing without Scott
Incredible opening! I'm still loving my 2020 Supra =)
I think you have the most visually stunning reviews on RUclips
Hands down, my favourite channel for car reviews!
I'm only one minute in and once again, you nail the score. Most impressive.
People are so committed to hating this car it’s unbearable..especially considering how solid the car is. Bullet proof engine, M2C front suspension geometry, light weight chassis. This car got so many things right.
I typed this very congratulatory comment to Doctor Goose using Dell Technologies™
I just spent 1 hour trying to get Dell to accept a warranty request prior to watching this video...
So the Dell technologies bit got a chuckle out of me when I imagined the laptop beside me burning in a fire-pit.
Great to see that I'm not the only one who likes this car.
I think people latch on WAY too much to the old Supra, and completely disregard this one for not being a 100% Toyota product.
I mean, in reality, the Mk4 probably wasn't as good as this. It's straight up a huge evolution, and still adds up that space for a heapload of tuning ability like the Mk4 had, except probably being a whole lot better.
And its just like Savagegeese said, adding a manual to it, giving the interior a more Toyota look with that mk4 look except modernized, and for the love of god disabling the damn fake engine noise, and imo people couldn't bitch anymore about it.
Unless they're just unpleasable.
As a Toyota executive said; "There's no Toyota sports car that was loved. Till we ended its production."
@@diogovieira3362 for me it was the fact that it is really ugly imo, and seemed a bit souless, too close to being a rebadged z4 also. no clutch option even thought the z4 comes with one
The 4 cyl would be perfect for me. Great vid as always!
This isn't like Japanese four bangers. This is asthmatic BMW 4 banger that will never compete with Mitsubishi, Honda or Nissan engines famous for tuning.
@@idokwatcher2062 Mitsubishi doesn't make sports cars anymore, Honda only finally added torque, Subaru has the torque-less brz and antique engines, Nissan is trash across the board currently ( I drive a 370z). The Japanese companies basically abandoned us. Not sure what you're talking about. If you're seriously concerned about power which I'm not, lets bump up to 6 cyl at least. The Germans at least put in effort lul. (not a fanboy of anything) hotch out
People who complain are the ones who can't afford it in the first place. Just glad we have a sports car we can own one day.
I have dreamed of owning a Supra and it now feels like i can live the dream
This isn’t really the ‘Supra’ youve been dreaming of though lol. Just ‘Supra’ in badge name.
@@machina_spirit yes true, but its still a car i would like to own.
you guys are hands down my favorite car review videos. Its nice to have REAL car guys input on how the vehicle handles instead of empty vague comentary like 99% of other RUclipsrs. Thanks guys. Looking forward to the I4 Supra track review.
I’d buy the 4cyl if it was manual :(
Just buy the BMW version with that engine. That comes with an optional manual.
GameBoyKolor yeah but he probably wants the Supra styling so that might be a problem
Danish Wistara
Also, doesn’t want to pay $65,000
The 86 is a Toyota 4 cylinder with a manual
@@massterwushu9699 it's too expensive, why didn't they out the V8 in here
I liked mine, traded it for a GTR. The Supra is more fun. The GTR on the road you never get the feeling the car is doing anything. The Supra even though slower feels more engaged when daily driving.
You been working out? Lookin like Bezos
We all know he treats Jack Singapore like an Amazon employee
I think he's starting too look a lot like an in shape Dana White.
The Goose is getting jacked.
How i fixed some of the numbness on my b58 car: Catless downpipe, open filter intake, active sound tuned out, pops and burbles turned way down with a flash tune. Really transforms the car
That’s my plan too , I think the 4 cylinder would benefit big time with coilovers and a downpipe more louder pops
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx noooo don't do that the B48 sounds like a fart box with a downpipe
@@ryadhasanahmed5443 I fart alot so I want my car to fart alot as well 😌
Who did your flash?
Saying "Big shock there" while talking about the suspension is peak pun.
SG is about to reach the perfection on his rewviews.... putting the absolute perfect mix of technic / background / info while not neglecting the meaning on any review: expression. It is a pure pleasure to watch
I was waiting to hear Mark’s opinion on this. Im still kinda on the fence about the supra, but this update has definitely made me think. And I agree a manual would be the cherry on top. But I’m also upset they got rid of downshift blue for 2021 which was by far the sexiest color
I know I souldn't but...I wachted all the commercials for Mr. Savageese. Great job!!!
4:55 According to Toyota it's targeted to be a track-day weapon
21:44 It's not a track car
To be fair to him, I think there's a pretty big difference between a track-day car, something you could take to the track once in a while, and a track/race car, designed predominantly to be driven on the track.
Toyota also said it was targeted at the Cayman, a car with a manual.
Clearing the air though, a car can be designed with track days in mind, but that doesn't mean they are going to take track days with no issue stock. Early 86 had track day fuel pump, brake, and (arguably) tire problems and that car was specifically targeted at trackdays. Hell Toyota/a dealer was sued and had to pay because of it.
hyperbomb02 not only did the cayman have a manual, it just seems insane to me to target a mid engined car when the car they made is front engined. Such a different dynamic
The 4 cylinder is not only 200lbs lighter, but it’s got the better looking wheel set. And smaller wheels are better anyways. Just needs a 6MT “RS” version that’s “another” 200 lbs lighter. 2980lbs? Yes please.
That intro had that extra sauce
Back after a long absence, it’s now great to listen to you and Jack Singapore as well as view the (even better) videography. Got a lot of catching-up to do-
These cars are so cool in person. I like bmw and Toyota so it's a win in my book
You're my favourite car RUclips channel, Mr. Goose. As life long car enthusiast (since I could speak), career automotive technician, and owner of an E46 M3 and 2020 Supra your videos are like porn to me. I feel that your opinions are to be trusted. I enjoy your cynical demeanor as well as when you actually lift the vehicles that you review and inspect them with actual mechanical knowledge of what you review. It's so unique compared to any other RUclipsr. Also, don't feel sorry for me for owning a 2020 Supra. The changes from 2021 don't effect me as much as I'm not leaving it stock... a $300 catless downpipe and $500 tune which I can upload from my IPhone is good for 500 crank hp. Thanks again for fabulous reviews, you're brilliant.
ONE pedal short of greatness.
Despite turning into a bike guy
i still watch your videos because of the quality and just general trivia about a car.
Keep up the good work
Gotta use your third leg to heel-toe five pedals!
I wish they would smooth it out and not make it look so aggressive.
Thing looks perfect asthetically. I'd want my sports car to look mean, you want curvy go buy a miata😉
Intro was so sick I had to rewatch it on my wide screen tv to do it justice.
The GR Supra is an amazing sports car on its own and I think the Toyota-BMW collaboration has came out well
I still need to drive the car for myself but I do agree it needs a manual transmission like any sports car
Yet where is the fuss of the Nissan GTR R35 not having a manual????
@@charlesbakston7414 well you see the R35 and Supra are in two different classes of cars
The R35 is a supercar whereas the Supra is a sports car
Oh and btw the manual is confirmed for the Supra and has been in testing recently
@@basithph8958 What difference does that make about two vehicles being in different categories of when it comes down to Transmissions?
If you want to go there, then the Supra A90 MK5 is a budget Supercar in that case.
The GENERAL POINT is that there's plenty of other vehicles out there that gets praises, which those are Manuals themselves.
And yes, I heard about the MK5 A90 Supra supposedly getting a manual transmission.....however, will the "I would only buy it if it comes in manual" Keyboard Warriors put their money where their mouth is?
It's just like the same Keyboard Warriors whom talk sh*t on the A90 Supra "not being a whole Toyota car", yet where was everyone when the A80 Supra MK4 was in dealerships when that vehicle was a poor seller?
Same with the Lexus LFA, which that was a poor seller, Lexus RFC, ETC....and the Lexus LC500 is about to be on the list as Toyota's poor selling vehicles! Go figure.
And now we are finally getting the manual, thank you Toyota
Engine bay is such a mess.....
You should look at the Lexus GSF’s engine
honestly its not that bad. All the fluids are accessable
Its not that bad, but if you want to see this engine cleaned up look at papadakis Supra or Ken Gushi's Supra engine bays. Its possible to do a clean up.
Especially the 4. Looks like spaghetti
They took the covers off.
Great introduction, transitions and music.... Loving your progression in professional editing. Thanks for making great content for us!
I've been slowing falling in love with the Supra after being unimpressed initially. As soon as it has a stick I would consider getting one, until then a CPO m3, m2 or new SS1Le is way better value.
Dude you deserve well over 1 million subscribers with the level your videos are at. Keep up the great work!!!
Please put the cover back on that engine! It is terrifying under there.
That’s the point. Toyota paid them hot dollars to make a good video but it’s only skin deep. I wanted a true Toyota Supra and I’m never going to consider buying one of these abominations. When owners see the values drop through the floor they’ll move onto something else. I see this being cancelled in 5 years.
Is is pretty scary under those hoods. Gone are the beautiful I6’s in the past. S54. 2JZ.
Stfu
all those lines reminds me of FD rx7.
sverma101 faz
You guys have the best production value on the internet. Love it.
The car reminds me of my 370 a lot in its 6cyl, 2 seater, hatch configuration and yes, even the buffeting, just newer and tighter. I'd upgrade to the Supra if it didn't cost $100k locally (double what my Z cost me new). Love that inline 6 though
Actually Mark, Tada-san said that, they'd pop the strut brace on when they increase the power output. He also said that, on the v1.0 Supra, they left the brace out so as to achieve a perfect "balance" (because the torsional rigidity is higher than that of the LFA), and that the enthusiast could add them because the airbox was designed to take it whilst also leaving holes for it.
Thanks again, guys for enriching us with a 'premium' viewing experience (even though there were a few typos here and there).
The mx5 was a collab car as well, but it has a dedicated manual! The difference to me is that Mazda is actually trying to build a car for the market, where as Toyota is having someone else build a car for the market & then their marketing department is trying to tell people what they want. To me, Mazda should be the example of how a collab sports car is done properly WRT preserving the manual.
You guys should do car comparisons more often (not just between trims like this video, but between competing models e.g. Z4 vs Supra). It's a good way to let your personalities shine differently while adding some more dynamic content to your videos. I'm sure it's harder to set up logistically, but just an idea.
When turbos were rare I wanted turbos. Now that they're the "new norm" I avoid them like a plague.
Exactly
I think it's because for me, most turbos aren't like the turbos I drove that I loved, like the Evo IX. Lagless turbo doesn't do it for me ahah
ronin84 just get yourself an IS38 Golf R. There’s definitely lag if you like that...
Hipster confirmed... "Too mainstream for me"
stupid take. Turbos have only gotten better lol
Yo this is the hottest beat you've made so far mr goose. Drum sequencing is ridiculous. Well done.
The intro.... my EYES the edit is 👌🏼
Your videos and editing are the best! I cant wait until you get your hands on the 2021 TLX Type-S
Toyota: " you want a car with those fake vents?"
Toyota's argument has always been they are there for tuners although most agree the actual reason is they plan to eventually throw more power at the car and having those vents there means they would not have to re-design any sheet-metal.
Ryan Taylor so you think they are going to release a more powerful version?
@@ryantaylor6530 except people who tune and race these cars already stated that most of these vents can't even be made functional
@Sideways G Meanwhile, at BMW, all their stamping and hydroforming machines broke so they just designed the new 4 series as a slab sided amorphous pill. Looks like a Mustang they left in the oven too long... Maybe they should do a collabo with Toyota's design engineers. Find a happy medium between the insane pokemon styling of Japanese sports cars and the lately hideous/boring BMW design trend
I didn't think twice when I looked at the title. Didn't realize it didn't make sense! Great video, thanks for the top notch production as always!
Great car, newest BMW engines are very very good, great review
Mark and Singapore, your videos get better and better with each review. Keep it up!
I would like all of the weight reductions and simplifications of the 4 cylinder model, with the drive train of the 6 cylinder. And of course, a manual transmission. I don't care about all the luxury and fancy stuff, I want the best driving experience.
The complaint about the BMW collaboration is realistically silly when you consider all the facts of what it takes in today's world to successfully produce and sell these type of cars. And if you really think about it, it's actually a GREAT blend. You borrow some BMW engineering and add in Toyota's painstaking reliability standards, and THEN price it below the cost of a BMW equivalent. I see absolutely nothing to complain about!
Exactly and most of the people complaining couldn't even buy one I would bet 😂
I want you to compare the 4 cylinder Supra to the High Performance Ecoboost Mustang with the handling package. Two of the best 4s you can get today
that would be an interesting compare...the stang Might be faster, definitely more hp but the supra is Far more a sports car and would easily out handle it
Hands down the best and most in depth car reviews on YT
Do you guys source your music or produce it yourself? Just curious
I think Mark produces most of it himself, although I believe they sometimes source music from other places.
Thanks, the production quality of these guys is great... from the aerial drone footage to the music and reviews, top notch!
The music for each video blows me away. They must put a ton of time into production.
Damn Mr. Goose, I think that was the best intro so far. The cinematography and music we're incredible. You really are a master of your craft. Keep it coming :)
"1 Pedal Away From Perfection" *
POGGERS
All it takes is 25 cents to reach perfection.
@@PianoBlackTrimRep. And a manual transmission
Nope you're wrong. The car needs a different pedal assembly for the manual transmission.
Savagegeese is one of the only youtube car reviewers worth watching! Awesome review
Omg that intro was amazing
Intro was awesome! Amazing content, fav car review.
Think I will just stick with my manual c6 corvette and upgrade it. 50k is to much to ask for a car these days truth be told.
these cars are cheaper now, adjusted for inflation, than they were 20 years ago.... so I don't know what you mean by "these days" tbh
@@sly9263 he just hasn’t gotten a raise in a while
Test drove a 2.0 this weekend and will either it or the 3.0. If you want true connecting experience you need a motorcycle. Picked up a BMW R9T in Jan and it's about as old school as they get for a new machine.
Wow I knew my insomnia would finally pay off.
I hope you’re not on the east coast saying this 😂😂
Dang your production quality is insane now, best auto reviewer on RUclips hands down
Pretty good but I'm still waiting for that V8 glory hole of a review to drop
We're all really just waiting to hear those Lexus F engines sing and Daddy Goose knows it
my nomination is the V3 cts-v , I mean its everything this channel represents.
yup, i've seen that gap they left for a dual exhaust. it better come eventually.
I have to say this is the best video on the new Supra!
The cinematography and the attention to detail is hard to beat!
So nice to have a channel that doesn’t have that generic music of a woman squeaking in the background.
Professor Pesca can’t have a car video without drone shots and annoying royalty-free electronica
Never heard such bad music in this video
FACTS
youtube, please let us print screen comments from other videos so we can put them in other comment sections, because this is too.fucking.true
The Supra in yellow looks so good ! I would love to see it have a manual option & targa top someday (wishful thinking)
Shouldn’t it be “One pedal short of greatness,” since an automatic still has two pedals?
You are giving us GREAT images. Your videos are art, nothing less. Great job !
A while ago,
"So what do we have here Scott"?
"Bunch of BMW crap".
So let's meander around to the rear...
this is literally my dream car. been saving up for a while now. I'm a big toyota fan. got a camry now. but when I get some money saved up here I come supra
That sure is a lot of missing pedals.
Edit: Wait, the 4 banger has an open diff? The 86 Twins can afford to have an LSD, what's your excuse, BMW?
Just BMW being BMW.
Yup bmw being bmw. They try to compensate for it by using the rear brakes as an LSD clutch pack but it doesn't respond as quickly and wears your rear brakes. For most drivers it does the job, but on a car this expensive and driver focused it seems criminal to not include a mechanical LSD.
My base model 2019 ND2 Miata also has an open diff. Granted, that it's a $25k car and not a $45k car.
BMW doesn’t need an excuse. The ownership of the end product belongs with Toyota. It is their choice not to offer a mechanical LSD on the 4 cylinder variant. BMW could have supplied one if Toyota requested it but it would’ve raised the price point of the vehicle.
paul dewar This. People will always find a way to hate on BMW..in this case they’re simply the supplier.
Man I’d give anything for you guys to do a 992S review! You guys are the best!