What We Learned After Testing a Toyota Supra Over 40,000 Miles | Car and Driver
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
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Putting 40,000 miles on a Toyota Supra 3.0 was just as much fun as we expected. The car also proved to be reliable and fuel efficient. But it struggled in wintry conditions, and service was a challenge.
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00:00 Intro
01:31 First impressions, good stuff
04:08 Not so good stuff
06:00 Winter testing and tires
07:43 Reliability and service
10:30 Fuel economy
11:10 Final thoughts 
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One thing about the "reliability". Toyota said that they tested and revised the b58, sent it back to BMW saying that "its not good enough", and that is when BMW (they have said this on record) learned a lot from toyota about how far they are willing to go to get the engine to be reliable. When they sent it back to toyota, toyota ran it for an effective 1 million miles RPM wise, and it lasted. Toyota was happy. That is why the S58 and the B58 are so different and aren't interchangeable. Then when BMW put the b58 in to everything...they were making headlines for making "the best engine ever made".
There B48 is no slouch either
@@user-nf9lw4zd9mTrue. Bmw benefited so much from this collaboration. Look at what the S58 is doing in the new G87 M2.
What a load of bollocks
Source?
@@rchen404 Collaboration in data and information. Maybe Toyota didn't help bmw one cent with improvement in engines? I do know BMW ascended the last 5 years from not reliable to very reliable in consumer rankings. Pure coincidence? 🤷♂️
Ive had mine for a month with 10k miles, I drove it from utah to Florida and then back again and I can honestly say it was a dream to drive. The adaptive cruise control works amazing, I stayed at 30mpg consistently and had enough room to store a large suitcase, 2 backpacks and my camera gear. Amaxing vehicle I am in love.
The v6 got 30mpg? Or do you have the 4 cyl ?
@@_fast4lfa The I6 easily gets 30mpg highway. I regularly get 32+ going long distance.
@@_fast4lfa yeah it's rated for that lol
A Large suit case! I need to see this
I’m planning on getting one. I’m on the fence but videos like these help. Any advice, recommendations? Should I? Shouldn’t I?
Great to see Carlos Lago join C&D. Treat him well and hopefully he can use his knowledge of performance cars in these videos
🙏
Stay warm, Carlos!
Why? He’ll just leave for another company before you realize it
I don’t even know which auto media outlet he’s working for when he pops up, but he is entertaining so clearly he can afford to jump ship to the highest bidder.
This is C/D's last chance as a brand of any significant. The magazine is effectively dead, and this is like their 3rd attempt at moving to a new medium. It's a shame that they can't capture the essence of the magazine they had 30 years ago. Brock Yates should have been the American Clarkson. Lagos would have been better off to run his own channel.
@5:15 I have a 2021 3.0 Premium and agree the wind buffeting when windows down is one of the WORST flaws in this car, however, there are some aftermarket deflectors that completely fix this problem. The ones I chose were carbon fiber, attached just over the sideview mirrors. Honestly, you can't even tell they aren't an original part of the car's body and they completely eliminate the noise. You don't even see them when you are looking at the car. I'm surprised Toyota hasn't incorporated the deflector design into their side view mirror design to resolve this issue for good for future buyers.
Hi Timothy, do you have a link to the items you're mentioning? 🙃
This is a great modern way to enjoy the Car and Driver content I’ve known for almost 30 years. Keep up the great work!
I’ve been reading C&D for 30 years and just loved this video. The format is great; I like that this was a discussion of a long term test with all the explanations. You guys did a great job with this. Please do more.
Carlos, glad to see you back! The wind buffeting can be addressed with aftermarket stick-on parts. You can find several videos on YT. There’s no excuse for Toyota not to have addressed this. The lack of a spare in a sports car: I’ve owned & driven plenty of sports cars w/o spare tires. Servicing: The lack of the necessary parts after calling ahead for service is inexcusable. Owners will have to build into their lexicon to have service verify they have parts on hand. 😎🏁👍
He’ll be gone again
That's not something that should have to be addressed. Last thing I would want is to slap on some ebay stick on parts to make something that should never have been an issue, go away, on my $60k+ BMW
You know whats more annoying than wind buffeting? The sound of the honk! I don’t really mind the buffeting but damn that honk….smh
Even though it's easily fixed, a car that's $52k-$60k out the door should have that resolved by now, doesn't take an engineer that much to flair out that mirror area to fix it from the factory but they are just ignoring that feedback
I had to Google the word "lexicon"
The most useful Supra video I've come across so far. A minimum of 20% of every other video focuses on the fact that "it's basically a BMW". Thanks for not being obnoxious about it.
Carlos! Easily my favorite car video reviewer. Glad to you see you back, and hopefully for a long time. Congrats!
I don't think anyone reviews driving dynamics better than Carlos, very knowledgeable and great to hear his thoughts
I love the long term tests. It helps me get an idea of what it is really like to own this car.
yea thats literally the whole point
100%, I see tons of reviewers talking about car alternatives but always fail to mention the reliability aspects of the car whatsoever
@@hmdsidd and reliability is clutch, right? I don’t care about initial reactions. I care about how awesome is the car gonna be after 100K miles.
@@P4SDetails speaking facts! The true reliability of a car is after 100k miles. Well maintained of course.
@@faultless18 of course.
Great summary on a car I might be interested in one of these days. With news of the manual version not being too far off I am definitely keeping my options open. Thanks Carlos and C&D.
Carlos is my favorite. Great job on this long term wrap up!
Hey Carlos, great review. Both you and Jason are my favorite reviewers and would watch pretty much anything you guys make. LOL! As for the lack of a spare tire, I have an ND Miata, and for $5 I bought a tire plug patch kit for emergencies.
I picked mine up January of 2020, and only have 23k miles on it, and for solo road trips it is amazing. The tuning and mod ease has been a joy. Still a good sports car and I love to daily drive it.
Im picking mine up on tuesday, any issues since u last posted?
Love to see Carlos back in the car reviews!
Great video and awesome to see Carlos largos on car and driver. Very useful information here
Just got a 2022 Supra. The wind buffeting is a simple fix and is a non issue. Spectacular car.
What was your fix?
$9.00 Amazon fix. Works perfectly. @@JoshGlastra
So simple it remains a undisclosed. @@JoshGlastra
@@JoshGlastra $10 amazon window cover lol
Great comments and overall great video. For winter tires, thanks for the Pirelli reference as I was struggling find in France the appropriate ones.
Good honest long term evaluation. Nicely done C&D.
Didn’t know Carlos joined C&D. Love it, he’s going to really help build this channel.
Great explanation of the real world considerations of owning this kind of car. And also, I've seen this already said, but great choice in bringing Carlos Lago on board. He's a huge party of why I USED to watch Motor Trend's RUclips channel (but have stopped because they got rid of great content like this video)
It's awesome to see this content for free unlike some other magazines channels.
Love the videos Carlos, You are the man! Keep up the amazing content! been watching for a while now. Miss the 240SS!
Great to see Carlos again !
Wind buffeting is a cheap fix in the aftermarket. For winter tires I recommend the Michelin Alpin PA4 tires. I drive in 8” of snow no problem with my Supra. I live in West Michigan and we get a lot of lake effect snow.
8 inches in a Supra? You’re braver than me
@@tupops suspension is not the issue. It’s the ground clearance.
8 inches? Yeah right! That thing would be plowing so hard.
Yea sure 8 inches of snow while following a plow
As long as you have the right tires most cars will go through some nasty conditions
ive had the car for 7-8 months now and just hit 30k, i drive it everyday and LOVE it, the lack of issues besides normal wear (tires, fluids) it has been amazing, 0 complaints!
Good to see Carlos at Car and Driver!!
Thanks for making this video, it's exactly what I want to know as a prospective buyer. Really excited to get my hands on a Supra one day, living in Texas winters are thankfully very mild for us and I'm gonna enjoy this car for years.
Carlos, thanks for doing the video in the cold snow. I need 3 weeks off to do a cross country road trip in my E46.
Looks amazing in person also! I love my 2021 3.0 premium ❤️
i love these 40,000 reviews of sports cars. more please!
Great video. It was very informative and just the right length. I wish I would have seen this before purchasing the car, it would have given me some things to consider.
Any regrets? What were you suprised by?
Really well done, informative, and honest video on the pros and cons of (what I consider to be) an everyday supercar. Easily some of the best content from C/D. Keep it comin!
It’s considered a super car?
@@Uncrowned_King_Benz I like the Supra, but that is a huge stretch calling it a supercar.
@@blueberrycobbler I think it’s in the gray area since Supra been killing a lot of supercars but still consider it a regular sport car.
I love the 40,000 mile idea. Keep this going!
I liked the editing, pacing, and B roll shots used in the video. It really made it comfortable and effortless to watch the video! The video was more focused on overall livability of the vehicle, but I do wish the driving impressions part was more nuanced than just fast, grippy, and slidey when you want it. How ThrottleHouse elaborates on driving dynamics is a good example.
You're right. Because this was the wrap-up for our 40,000-mile test, we were more focused on the ownership picture and less on the nuances of driving. You can expect that focus on forthcoming review and testing videos.
Great review, it doesn't surprise me about the service problems. The handling and power sound tempting.
Great insight. Good to see Carlos.
Carlos... Missed your insight, welcome back
Subscribed for Carlos and I rarely leave comments on RUclips. Good job C&D for picking him up…
First thing i had to my 2020 was also a new set of tires. Not from burning them off ( although I wanted to ) but from factory the alignment is ever so slightly off causing premature wear in the inside lip of the tire. Once done. car drove so much better. It wasn't following the road anymore.
Carlos great job love your editing 🤟👍💥💥👊✌👀💫🔥🦾🦾🦾🙏☝🤯
regardless though! awesome review! love that ya'll drive 40k miles in a year! would be awesome to see these type of videos for more vehicles!
Had my 21 3.0 Supra for 8 months, have put 14k miles on it so far daily driving with zero issues. I’m 6’4 and find the car very comfortable especially the seats, arguably the Most comfortable car I’ve ever driven. Absolutely love it!
Good BMW 😂
Awesome that Car and Driver has Carlos. Perhaps my favorite American car presenter. I’ve always though C&D had the best written product, but video was behind. Hopefully having Carlos onboard changes that
I’m a semi truck repair tech and the amount of similar technology between this engine and the trucks I work on every day is insane. I love high pressure common rail design of the injector, incredibly efficient and should be used on all cars eventually. Air to water cooler is the same as a EGR cooler which don’t leak as often as you may think, when they do they very rarely lock up an engine or dump excess coolant in intake circuit. Very very interesting, bmw is onto something here with this engine specifically. The only downfall I have seem to come across is most normal or average people will not be able to EFFECTIVELY service or do repairs on this vehicle. But at the same time the price of the vechicle seems that most people would not do there own maintenance or repairs, especially when you compare to C8 vette which was supposed to be (back in 2020 and 2019) the biggest competitor.
Good review pointing out stuff that you don't hear often.
Larlos Cago is back! I miss his OG Ignition vids from Motortrend. Hope C&D gives him a show something similar.
Awesome to see Carlos💪
I love my 2021 3.0 GR Supra and have every day for the past six months or so. I appreciate you guys posting this video. I will definitely agree that road trips with the miss turn into a game of tetris with the cargo space but we make it work. In relation to the stock issues for service, one of the service managers here at Toyota in Texas told me that BMW doesn't "release" those parts to Toyota until your Supra is on the lot and set for service. SM then told me for any service, recall, alignment, etc that I should bring it in early on the day of service and *hope* to have it back the next day. Not ideal and certainly don't like the idea of leaving my car for days just for an alignment but it seems unavoidable as an owner who has ToyotaCare.
Another reason i would never buy a rebadged BMW
@@Massacari A small inconvenience for a great sports car. Not a big deal at the end of the day.
It's these kind of things the early press releases and reviews fail to mention.
This just shows that their cooperation was not well thought out. And hpnestly, it is not a 400 kmh+ car yhat can literally drive off its wheels. Any tire show with a geometry tray should be able and have access to the data to set the geometry.
@@jafu745 easy just go to bridgestone tire shops or wheel alignment specialist that has autodata or other data bank software of alignment
Todays no secret in car repairs
I really like Carlos. He is way better than 99% of other car reviewers out there.
Man it's so great Carlos Lago is 👍🏼here in C&D. Congrats Carlos🎉🎊
I have always enjoyed Carlos' videos
These videos are actually really informative
Solid vid from Carlos is a great vibe
Great review. Thanks!
My children gave me 3 days of rental of a 2020 Supra for my birthday last year. Without exaggeration, it was the best birthday present I ever received. It was a lot of fun.
Hopefully C&D finally agrees that most of the modern car reviews are done in a video instead of a magazine. I miss Lago at Edmunds.
As a 5,4 lean and flexible enough male I can say this car is perfectly comfortable. In fact it eliminates all effort as far as keeping your body up, as if the seats do all the work for u
Carlos! Long time no see my friend. Great review, the good the bad and the ugly and while I do not own one, I see them out on my local track frequently and they seem reliable and fun.
Great review man.
Helpful information. Especially the spare tire and part issues. Appears a great option is the new corvette and hopefully the new Z will be available soon.
Wow I have the exact same car and color on my channel! Agree with everything & the wind buffeting is an easy fix.
What is the fix??
@@larney37 $150 anit-buffeting wind deflectors you adhere between the side mirrors and the A-pillar.
really enjoyable video. Thanks!
I should be picking up my 22 model on Friday 🤞 Super excited
Great presentation. Its well balanced.
Carlos on car and driver now? Nice to see him as always.
People hate me for this but this has grown over me more than the MK4🤷
That’s bc it’s a badass car, and you have good taste. And the haters can keep hating.
My GT86 is serviced by Subaru. Works great but cross manufacturer development can be tricky for the user sometimes.
Before watching smoking tire and motorweek, I used to love Carlos’s reviews. Good looking dude and enjoy his reviews. Welcome back to the mainstream sir
nice to see carlos again.
I put a deposit down on 2024 3.0 liter premium with a manual. Can't wait to take delivery of it, I even let my wife pick the color.
Saw a Supra driving in the snow right after the roads were plowed and it was shredding it!
so excited that toyota is finally adding a manual for the supra, will definitely consider the car now.
21k on my 2020 GR Supra, has the pieces to get rid of wind noise and i do my own services. Living in Las Vegas no worries about 3 seasons. we only get 2, hot or hoodie weather. So far no issues with my Supra, runs 10's in the 1/4. on e50 tune. In regular mode its quiet and can get up to 35mpg back and forth to SoCal on 91. I sold my 18 Mustang to order a C8 and glad i ended up with a Supra. I love it, though do miss the room the Mustang on those longer trips.
How is the Supra compared to your old Stang. I just sold my S550 GT and wanted to hear how this Supra steers and feels as a sports car vs the Stang
Lol hard to know where Carlos works next, but he is a star so worth following.
Thanks?
@@CarlosLago You are one of the best car reviewers .
Carlos’ video he did on the Challenger about a decade ago introduced me to the best pie in the world!
The BMW straight six has been very fuel efficient since the e90 chassis. My 06 330i would easily get 36 mpg at 70mph on long trips. I was able to drive over 400 miles on a 16 gallon tank, and that included about 10% city driving.
Sounds about right. I can do that at 60 mph on my 335i at like 1800 rpm when the turbos are barely spooling
I was getting 35mpg with my 2003 530i automatic at 65mph I plan on getting my ccv fixed and some new injectors and hoping to push out 37 or 38 maybe some power pulleys also could help.
Great review! I think my only complaint generally about these reviews for Supras, and I own one mind you, is that people complain about wind buffeting. It's bad yes but it's no worse than most other sports cars. Also, it's also one of those things where if you want to hear the exhaust rev it out more and lower both windows, and I guarantee you'll hear it roar. Overall, really glad you made this review and I'm glad i made the purchase for this car.
Im already on my 2nd GR supra. The first thing I did both times is the $10 Amazon fix for the wind buffeting. Fixed it for the most part.
@@jpik2003 I did the same thing and added Carbon M Mirror caps no wind buffeting easy fix.
Great vid!
I love that Toyota saw everything that was good about BMW, the interior and the engine, and put that into a sports car to their standards and it resulted in what is perhaps the single best sports car around today. Other contenders for great sports car include the Mazda Miata, the Nissan Z, the toyota/subaru BRZ-86, and the BMW Z4. And the only thing that really compares is maybe the Nissan Z, the Z4 is just a BMW branded Supra.
Auto review market needs long term testing. Cars these days can be extremely different from brand new test drive to 2 year usage. Do more please!
I've had similar issues with getting my ATS-v worked on here, when I had an mv agusta brutale, ethanol ate through part of my gas tank and it was at the dealer waiting for a replacement for 6 months.
Well done. I particularly like the feedback about service and real world situation like the flat tire event. By the way, doesn't it have a flat tire repair kit to get out of a bind?
Oh wait, Carlos works here now? I have subscribed.
I used Pirelli Sottozeros 2 for 4 winters on my Lexus GSF, and they were amazing.
Good info, going to get one.
cool review, thanks
Great video 😊
Can't get enough of the sound coming out of the supra. Downshift blue has to be one of the best colours the supra was available in.
Great video, wonder how many miles per day did you guys drive. Secondly, you mentioned there’s a 40k mile test video of the Porsche Cayman… do you mind sharing the link, I am unable to find it. Much thanks, keep up the great work!
I am looking for a weekend car that I can drive daily if needed and this car is now at the top of my list. The BMW B58 engine is legendary and bulletproof, and I love that ZF transmission.
My 2024 GR Supra 45th Anniv has a diff leak after 700 miles. The Supra tech said it is a shaft seal leak. Tools and parts will take one month to arrive. I suggest you check yours, periodically.
The fix for wind buffeting is an easy fix. Nearly 20 dollars and some crafty work. The oil change can be done by yourself with a pair of jacks a basic tool set and 0w20/oil filter. The alignment can be done by alignment shops such as Firestone, precision auto, and basically any rear wheel drive vehicle if not heavier than a truck does horrid in snow.
Perfect video 👍🏻
CARLOSSSSSS. Might have to subscribe to the channel now. Really enjoyed watching his content before Edmunds, but kind of lost track when he left that previous position. I think the last video I saw him in was the Mazda owned, museum quality RX-7 review.
Love my Supra and yes, getting service is such a hassle. My 2nd oil change visit went a lot better at Toyota. Also when I got the recall down it was smooth.
Great car and I have tons of fun with it. You have the haters but what I will say to those on the fence or worried about that, don’t let it sway you. Most people who hate bring up BMW and it’s normally from someone who doesn’t even own a sports car, can’t afford one or wife won’t let them have one lol.
The Supra is my dream car, it's really good 😁
Ask BMW owners about owning a BMW long term then try to hand wave away the insane repair costs as "people who don't even own one or pah cant afford it"
I can more than afford one but wouldn't touch that "supra".
@@KonohazFinest That’s fine too. To each their own. I wouldn’t touch a van, truck or Crossover but there’s plenty others that love them.
@@tCruzin4Lyfe fair enough it just irks me and some purist that it's not a spiritual successor with that BMW engine. But like you said to each their own it's just when you said the thing about those not getting it cause they can't afford a sports car isn't always true for all.
Carry a tire patch kit and a small emergency jack, they’re like $10 and it’s saved me in my bmw multiple times. Best thing you can keep under your trunk floor.
Visibility reminded me of my old Z3 Coupé.
However I really liked the Supra on my test drive.
If I'm not mistaken, you guys have a Veloster n and have driven it 4ok miles. C&D said it got faster! Especially 0-130. 5 seconds faster! I own a 2021 Veloster n DCT and love it. Thanks for the Supra video.
I used those same winter tires on my Audi S4. Any snow they suck but cold or damp roads they were great. I actually went with all seasons for winter now which are better in the actual snow. Summer PS4s all day