As a 2L owner myself, I'll always defend it. I'll never argue with more power for smiles, but the turn-in on this thing with the smaller engine is a hoot! Though the main reason why I bought it is because my dealer actually marked it down to $40K because no one wanted it lmao (top trim, too)
Nice review. As an owner of the car I can tell you really spent some time getting the feel of it before reviewing. I use my 2022 2.0 as my daily driver. It has PLENTY of power for around town and on the highway and it’s is a joy to drive on extended rides thru the mountains. I don’t care that is not the fastest thing on the road because I enjoy the overall experience. My grandma’s Tesla can embarrass most exotic cars in a straight line so 0-60 times are no longer relevant to me.
Don't you ride bikes anyway? after owning an 1000rr for 8 years acceleration is never really the same to me.... 2.0 is so good looking tho and prob my fav sports car atm... basically what a gr86 wished it was without all the highschoolers owning you car
@@wraith511802003 It rides well. The longest road trip I have taken it on is 4 hours. I felt great and only stopped for gas if needed. The car is comfortable but I would not have an open container w/o a lid as it does have a sports suspension. It would be best to take one for a test drive to see if you like it. I think the suspension is perfect for me.
Thanks for being of the few youtubers to review the 2.0 Supra. If Toyota updated the infotainment to include Android Auto in the future, I might consider trading my Veloster N DCT if I can find a lightly used one for around $35k. I think this will see a lot more discounts and depreciate faster since no one buys the 2.0L lol. I drove the 3.0 before and I would definitely get into trouble with it. This one is fast enough for me to have fun with. And the great fuel economy is a nice bonus.
Kirk, I drove the 2.0 recently for nearly a week. I agree with your points about the 2.0 being much more powerful than you would expect a 2.0 to be, but personally I don’t think I could stomach nearly 50k for it when the gr86 exist and offers somewhat similar performance figures. I would save up and extra 6k and get a 3.0. It’s still a good car, but it’s def in a weird place to me, in Toyotas GR lineup.
You could could probably get a slightly used one for cheaper (low 40k range) considering how abundant they are because nobody is buying them much. New 86s are still hard to come by and most will be marked up well into the 40k range anyway, not to mention a majority of used ones are autos too.
@@GT-RTData9 like I said, I personally wouldn’t even consider the 2.0 Supra. I know some people like it, but 40ish thousand is just a weird budget for a sports car to me. It’s more than necessary for a good one (miata/86) and not enough to get you great ones. I wish the 2.0 Supra didn’t exist so we could get a 40k turbo 86. That would be perfect.
The problem is that for the price you can get a base or mid trim v6 turbo nissan z might not as handle as well but if power is what you are looking for it makes a compelling choice and still brings fun and smiles
Still on the fence on the 2.0 and here is my personal opinion. If you are getting this car purely for the looks of the 3.0, then it has done its job. If it is performance, Toyota has different offerings for similar power for cheaper, i.e. GR86. For me, I still don't understand why the 2.0 was created, but I am sure there was some joint agreement between BMW and Toyota to have X amount of cars produced in their factory. But I foresee in a few decade, these cars going for very cheap and people picking them up to motor swap them if the ICE survives the EV revolution.
The 2.0 only sin is being too expensive. Considering you get no LSD, small brakes and BMW old idrive7, it is not a great bargain. I got my 2023 230i with the M sport ELSD, and 4 piston brakes with more options and IDrive8 for under $45k. If the 2.0 Supra started at $40k even it would make better sense. The 2.0 Supra is a great car but overpriced. If a 4 cylinder is going to be playing footsy with $50k it better bring legit performance options with it like other 4 bangers in this segment. Quick car and will make a great daily but Toyota stripped all of the performance out of it. They should have left a $3k performance package to get the LSD and brakes from the 3.0
I don’t understand why people don’t just install the strut tower braces from the 3.0 on this car. Toyota added them for rigidity, and that is the advantage that people say the 3.0 Carries over this car. I would think adding it to this 2.0 would help transform the front end of this car and make it even more responsive.
Car is great for what it's designed for in the 2.0 is badass plenty of power very fast economical and if a car runs 13.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile do you really need the 6 banger
@@KirkKreifels I was very happy with my Accord 2.0t touring with the 10-speed & I just had it tuned.. I could imagine what that 🚗💨 feels like not much more power than the Accord but the car itself is much sportier. Most people don't need that 3 L motor & if they get it they don't even use it, it's for bragging rights 😂... I would get the 2.0, like they say it's funner to drive a slow car fast, than it is a fast car slow😉👍👍💯
If i would sell my 95 Mr2 Turbo with 300 hp, i would go with the 2.0. But that will not happen, because old JDM cars from the 80's and 90's have there own spirit. Chears✌️
Really wish Yota would've just thrown this power plant in the 86 and just offered the Supra with the 6! But everything is all about $ and guess some numbers guy told them it wouldn't be lucrative! Oh well. Great review as always! ✌🏽❤️✊🏽
liked the video because you emphasized that people dont need all that speed to have fun, in fact its probably more fun that you enjoy yhe process of speeding instead of needing to brake and speed more often to feel the drama. about which to buy, gr86 with exhuast mod is best value, lotus evora and elise afinal edition are worth the extra money because hydrallic communciatve steering and engine sound even from stock. honda k series swaps sound good too, especially naturally aspirated or a little supr charged
communctiave steeirng, mid engine weight distribution, light weight agility, no miles per gallon loss and other such maintianence issues (althought some older lotus might have some basic things not made well, so they need dealership stuff at least inititally to fix stuff that shouldve been fixed at factory)
all those offerrings..... but does the system really let you buy any ?? dealership snobs selling it to their friends from other dealerships so they can flip it for even higher markups
i wonder if the deal w bmw required them to build xx number of vehicles, and to meet that quota they brought this out vehicle... the other option for toyota would have been a more upscale 86
BMW doesn't assemble the Zupra or Z4. It is assembled in Austria by Canadian multinational Magna in a dedicated low-volume assembly line (think Honda's PRC in OH or the line where Dodge Vipers were made in Mi). It was each automaker who decides how many cars they build for each brand. The I4 Zupra is the reason there's no GRMN 86 (T-2.4L H4), as that model would be priced in the same range or slighly above the I4 Zupra. The GR86 is only slighly smaller than the Zupra.
@@pmayo7894 - but that 100 unit limited OG JDM edition didn't add any forced induction (still natural) and only added 16hp (to 213hp) and 9 lb-ft of torque (to 160). What pretty much everyone understands it should be in a GRMN (or an STi for Subaru) is forced induction via turbocharging or supercharging to the existing engine (now the 2.4L H4) and that hadn't happened to any production model, only to concept cars.
I don't personally care for the bulbous look of the Supra. But this engine package is all the non-track addicted buyers will ever need. If you love this design and aren't a "I NEED UNLIMITED SPEED" person, the 2.0L should be the next best thing to a Mazda Miata RF.
The 2.0s Balance is so much better than the lumbering 3.0. In the mountains on the curves it's so much fun. It's better than a Miata and it's crap engine and handles just as well. I would like for the steering to me a little less disconnected but it is what it is.
@ min 4:05-6 passing that truck was totally me, I felt that! Worth it? or should I still wait for the 3.0? But I absolutely HATE that fake manual on this car, on ANY cars!! Does anyone know if it's worth it to go to TX and buy a Supra there? Are they better prices than CA prices or are they the same??
@@kalmmonke5037 - the GR86 uses BOXER / Horizontally Opposed engines, not inline like the Zupra or Z4 (the T-1.6L is an transversally mounted Inline 3). As long as Subaru is involved into the GR86 project you'll see BOXER engines being used, hence the T-2.44 H4 that Subaru already uses in other larger models.
It's a great car, but I wish they made a stripped down version, or some version that was more affordable. The 4 cyl. being that close to 50,000 dollars is just too crazy
Despite liking more powerful engines, I'd skip the Bavarian Zupra and I'd take the GR Corolla or even the GR Yaris. Having the German roots, I think the Zupra's TCO will be too high for what it offers. If I would not have the Miata ND2 for tracking, I would probably go for a GR Circuit Yaris.
Bmw for that price are either lower in power or used if you're going new vs new there's not really a competition probabl the 4 series and that's 4k more same power but a bit slower but is a sedan and a has more seats any more series car are 20k over this car (without markups ofc) and the shared z4 is 10k more these are all new cars 0 milage but if you're going for used there are 2020 3.0 for 45k or even 2021 2.0 for 40k
"This 4 banger version is an even bigger disgrace!" - what engine powered the Castrol Tom's Supra race car? "It's bad enough that the MK5 Supra is 99.9% a BMW." - is it really 99.9% BMW?
@@pmayo7894 The Castrol Tom Supra was a GT500 race car that shared little with the street MK4 Supra. The MK1, MK2, MK3 and MK4 were all inline-6 only. About the MK5 being 99,9% BMW. Let’s see the MK5’s chassis is BMW, the engine is BMW, the interior is BMW with BMW iDrive. Bro, every single part on the MK5 Supra has BMW part number. Even the ‘TOYOTA’ emblem and ‘Supra’ logo is made by BMW. The MK5 is built in Austria alongside the Z4. Oh and the MK 5 Supra’s VIN number is a BMW vin number 🤣. The only thing Toyota got to do was style the car and tune the suspension and transmission.
@@electrikoptik - again, what engine powered the Castrol Supra? Funny enough, the platform for BOTH THE Z4 AND SUPRA isn't based on any BMW has made in the paast, Toyota has much, much more leeway and say when developing the CLAR-based one. Besides, having a BMW part number doesn't exactly mean the part made by BMW (especially since they and Toyota get a lot of them from external suppliers and simply put their stickers).
@@pmayo7894 Have you seen the MK5 Supra in detail? My brother owns one. Open the engine you will see BMW logo’s on everything. Go underneath the car and you will again see BMW logos everywhere. On the driver-side door jam area you will see a VIN sticker and what does it say? ‘MFD BY BAYERISCHE MOTOREN WERKE AG’. This is a MK5 vin number ‘WZ1DB4C54KW000014’ decode it and tell me what you see.
@@electrikoptik - I did a couple of times and already took note on the BMW logos. Again, BMW (and Toyota) get a lot of their parts from elsewhere and simply put their stickers on them. Besides, aren't the two cars made by Magna Steyr (which also happens to make other cars for other manufacturers like Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar)?
As a 2L owner myself, I'll always defend it. I'll never argue with more power for smiles, but the turn-in on this thing with the smaller engine is a hoot!
Though the main reason why I bought it is because my dealer actually marked it down to $40K because no one wanted it lmao (top trim, too)
Woah! What a deal. What a car you have mate. 2.0L is more than enough.
This or the 2.5 stinger?
@@KobeMpthers Supra or stinger lol is that even a question? Looks alone....... even if it had 50 hp supra all the way
@@robosteez but stinger is a dope tho right
Nice review. As an owner of the car I can tell you really spent some time getting the feel of it before reviewing. I use my 2022 2.0 as my daily driver. It has PLENTY of power for around town and on the highway and it’s is a joy to drive on extended rides thru the mountains. I don’t care that is not the fastest thing on the road because I enjoy the overall experience. My grandma’s Tesla can embarrass most exotic cars in a straight line so 0-60 times are no longer relevant to me.
Don't you ride bikes anyway? after owning an 1000rr for 8 years acceleration is never really the same to me.... 2.0 is so good looking tho and prob my fav sports car atm... basically what a gr86 wished it was without all the highschoolers owning you car
How rough does your 2.0 ride? Is it good for touring? I don't want to lose my drink over a bump that any other care will absorb.
@@wraith511802003 It rides well. The longest road trip I have taken it on is 4 hours. I felt great and only stopped for gas if needed. The car is comfortable but I would not have an open container w/o a lid as it does have a sports suspension. It would be best to take one for a test drive to see if you like it. I think the suspension is perfect for me.
@@wraith511802003nope, great gt car. Biggggg long rolling roads can make you car sick tho
Thanks for being of the few youtubers to review the 2.0 Supra. If Toyota updated the infotainment to include Android Auto in the future, I might consider trading my Veloster N DCT if I can find a lightly used one for around $35k. I think this will see a lot more discounts and depreciate faster since no one buys the 2.0L lol. I drove the 3.0 before and I would definitely get into trouble with it. This one is fast enough for me to have fun with. And the great fuel economy is a nice bonus.
Manual with this engine would be so good!
Kirk, I drove the 2.0 recently for nearly a week. I agree with your points about the 2.0 being much more powerful than you would expect a 2.0 to be, but personally I don’t think I could stomach nearly 50k for it when the gr86 exist and offers somewhat similar performance figures. I would save up and extra 6k and get a 3.0. It’s still a good car, but it’s def in a weird place to me, in Toyotas GR lineup.
I understand. Good to have options
You could could probably get a slightly used one for cheaper (low 40k range) considering how abundant they are because nobody is buying them much. New 86s are still hard to come by and most will be marked up well into the 40k range anyway, not to mention a majority of used ones are autos too.
@@GT-RTData9 like I said, I personally wouldn’t even consider the 2.0 Supra. I know some people like it, but 40ish thousand is just a weird budget for a sports car to me. It’s more than necessary for a good one (miata/86) and not enough to get you great ones. I wish the 2.0 Supra didn’t exist so we could get a 40k turbo 86. That would be perfect.
@@Millipoint how about the 2.5 stinger?
The problem is that for the price you can get a base or mid trim v6 turbo nissan z might not as handle as well but if power is what you are looking for it makes a compelling choice and still brings fun and smiles
Supra👍👍👍🇯🇵nice
BMW in Japanese markings
@@kaizen108gmailcom yup. A rebadged Z4.
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I miss my ‘89 Turbo Supra with the targa top. Maybe one day I’ll have a chance to drive the new Supra. Great review! 👍
Still on the fence on the 2.0 and here is my personal opinion. If you are getting this car purely for the looks of the 3.0, then it has done its job. If it is performance, Toyota has different offerings for similar power for cheaper, i.e. GR86. For me, I still don't understand why the 2.0 was created, but I am sure there was some joint agreement between BMW and Toyota to have X amount of cars produced in their factory. But I foresee in a few decade, these cars going for very cheap and people picking them up to motor swap them if the ICE survives the EV revolution.
the 2.0 supra has far superiour performance than the gr86
gr86 will get smoked bro
The 2.0 only sin is being too expensive. Considering you get no LSD, small brakes and BMW old idrive7, it is not a great bargain. I got my 2023 230i with the M sport ELSD, and 4 piston brakes with more options and IDrive8 for under $45k. If the 2.0 Supra started at $40k even it would make better sense. The 2.0 Supra is a great car but overpriced.
If a 4 cylinder is going to be playing footsy with $50k it better bring legit performance options with it like other 4 bangers in this segment. Quick car and will make a great daily but Toyota stripped all of the performance out of it. They should have left a $3k performance package to get the LSD and brakes from the 3.0
I don’t understand why people don’t just install the strut tower braces from the 3.0 on this car. Toyota added them for rigidity, and that is the advantage that people say the 3.0 Carries over this car. I would think adding it to this 2.0 would help transform the front end of this car and make it even more responsive.
Car is great for what it's designed for in the 2.0 is badass plenty of power very fast economical and if a car runs 13.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile do you really need the 6 banger
It's great daily performance. It's better to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
and this 2.0L is anything but slow
@@KirkKreifels I was very happy with my Accord 2.0t touring with the 10-speed & I just had it tuned.. I could imagine what that 🚗💨 feels like not much more power than the Accord but the car itself is much sportier. Most people don't need that 3 L motor & if they get it they don't even use it, it's for bragging rights 😂... I would get the 2.0, like they say it's funner to drive a slow car fast, than it is a fast car slow😉👍👍💯
Didnt even know it sounded like that…. I have 49k miles on my 2.0 haha love it
If i would sell my 95 Mr2 Turbo with 300 hp, i would go with the 2.0.
But that will not happen, because old JDM cars from the 80's and 90's have there own spirit.
Chears✌️
Great review man 👍🏼 u should do those more often!
Really wish Yota would've just thrown this power plant in the 86 and just offered the Supra with the 6! But everything is all about $ and guess some numbers guy told them it wouldn't be lucrative! Oh well. Great review as always! ✌🏽❤️✊🏽
You have no idea, if they only make v6 Supra, and make the gr86 more power as the Supra 2.0. The price of the gr86 would increase. Think about it
mmm id have to test drive them both. Ive never.
liked the video because you emphasized that people dont need all that speed to have fun, in fact its probably more fun that you enjoy yhe process of speeding instead of needing to brake and speed more often to feel the drama. about which to buy, gr86 with exhuast mod is best value, lotus evora and elise afinal edition are worth the extra money because hydrallic communciatve steering and engine sound even from stock. honda k series swaps sound good too, especially naturally aspirated or a little supr charged
communctiave steeirng, mid engine weight distribution, light weight agility, no miles per gallon loss and other such maintianence issues (althought some older lotus might have some basic things not made well, so they need dealership stuff at least inititally to fix stuff that shouldve been fixed at factory)
argueably, its only gets considerably better from here at gma t50 especially when it comes to everyday driving
all those offerrings..... but does the system really let you buy any ?? dealership snobs selling it to their friends from other dealerships so they can flip it for even higher markups
Do you think the Supra will get a Toyota-fied iDrive8, or will the Supra be discontinued before anyone considers that idea?
I honestly feel they may discontinue before that happens...
Idrive 8 would prob push this car into the mid 60s. I would hope they discontinue it before then.
I'd think they'd make the car electric before they consider that
40 mpg is a perfectly good reason to get this car as a daily. 3.0 will quickly get you into trouble daily. 3.0 if you track etc
I like those wheels more than what I see on the 3.0, they look more proportional.
If the 2.0 had the gearbox id take it any day
i wonder if the deal w bmw required them to build xx number of vehicles, and to meet that quota they brought this out vehicle... the other option for toyota would have been a more upscale 86
BMW doesn't assemble the Zupra or Z4. It is assembled in Austria by Canadian multinational Magna in a dedicated low-volume assembly line (think Honda's PRC in OH or the line where Dodge Vipers were made in Mi).
It was each automaker who decides how many cars they build for each brand.
The I4 Zupra is the reason there's no GRMN 86 (T-2.4L H4), as that model would be priced in the same range or slighly above the I4 Zupra.
The GR86 is only slighly smaller than the Zupra.
@@syxepop - there's actually an 86 GRMN for the 1st-gen car, but that's only for Japan.
@@pmayo7894 - but that 100 unit limited OG JDM edition didn't add any forced induction (still natural) and only added 16hp (to 213hp) and 9 lb-ft of torque (to 160).
What pretty much everyone understands it should be in a GRMN (or an STi for Subaru) is forced induction via turbocharging or supercharging to the existing engine (now the 2.4L H4) and that hadn't happened to any production model, only to concept cars.
I don't personally care for the bulbous look of the Supra. But this engine package is all the non-track addicted buyers will ever need. If you love this design and aren't a "I NEED UNLIMITED SPEED" person, the 2.0L should be the next best thing to a Mazda Miata RF.
Hi Kirk, i think that 2025 will be the last year for the Supra, what do you think?
That's the rumor
@@KirkKreifels Thanks 😀
the sooner the better so we can get a real supra
@@tinhinnh that won’t happen
@@tinhinnh maybe in fairy tail?
Excellent
The 2.0s Balance is so much better than the lumbering 3.0. In the mountains on the curves it's so much fun. It's better than a Miata and it's crap engine and handles just as well. I would like for the steering to me a little less disconnected but it is what it is.
Lol, better than a Miata. Nonsense
But I heard that BMW engines are not very durable , I heard the BMW has lots of plastic parts that eventually fall apart. !
Toyota stress test the bmw parts to make sure they can use it with the toyota name
@ min 4:05-6 passing that truck was totally me, I felt that! Worth it? or should I still wait for the 3.0? But I absolutely HATE that fake manual on this car, on ANY cars!! Does anyone know if it's worth it to go to TX and buy a Supra there? Are they better prices than CA prices or are they the same??
Been looking at Supras for about a week but no android auto is a huge downtick 😢
Too bad they don't make a rwd Celica. 😮💨🥺
Is it possible to add the 3.0 rims to the 2.0 ?
YES
The 2.0 is a great platform to do a swap
Squeeze an S65 under that hood 🤩
Love the supra .❤.But krik a supra with the i4 turbo is not needed and its unnecessary waste of a model
I feel once the Zupra is discontinued there will be a GRMN 86 (with the T-2.4L H4) to replace the I4. This Zupra is not much bigger than the GR86...
@@syxepop agreed . This supra will end the same time as the z4 .so you are right
see my comment. maybe theyll put gr corolla drivetrain in gr86?
haha what if they put new prius drivetrain, tune it, then put in gr 86 or work with lotus geely to bring back lotus elise final edition
@@kalmmonke5037 - the GR86 uses BOXER / Horizontally Opposed engines, not inline like the Zupra or Z4 (the T-1.6L is an transversally mounted Inline 3).
As long as Subaru is involved into the GR86 project you'll see BOXER engines being used, hence the T-2.44 H4 that Subaru already uses in other larger models.
Can someone please tell me the difference between this B48 engine in the Supra 2.0 and the B48 in the JCW Mini?
I heard its the same thing, but i got the 2.0 supra and its worth it
Lexus IS 500 on a budget. No budget Lexus LC 500 convertible for the win.
2.0 beats gr86 all day
It costs a lot more
LOL at the thumbnail! You are not running that fast. 4 cylinder Supra is better for me here in NYC. No room to stretch out the I6 anyway.
Over 40 mpg😮😮
It's a great car, but I wish they made a stripped down version, or some version that was more affordable. The 4 cyl. being that close to 50,000 dollars is just too crazy
Start-Stop on a Supra ? Idk man
Is it just me or is this missing A LOT...to justify the price....like A LOT.
Despite liking more powerful engines, I'd skip the Bavarian Zupra and I'd take the GR Corolla or even the GR Yaris. Having the German roots, I think the Zupra's TCO will be too high for what it offers.
If I would not have the Miata ND2 for tracking, I would probably go for a GR Circuit Yaris.
I say buy the 2.0……………..and put a 2JZ GTE IN IT!!
BMW Turbo engines are 💪💪💪
Agreed. Just wish they didn’t use so much plastic.
@@naveenthemachine yes but it´s cheaper and thats very important for the manufacturers.
So what I’m hearing is BMW are reliable 😏
No matter what to me this will always be a Zupra with Toyota badge.
No Android auto? What the actual hell!
I know right?? Thats a big let down. The next best thing would be a 230i. Same HP and torque and transmission but has android Auto
@@porfiriato84 nah, just swap out the head unit for a decent one. And charge toyota for it.
@@airstripone2419only that you literally can't do that 🤦🏽
@@porfiriato84 you can. You can get a head unit and a unit that will handle the cars head unit integrated functions. Try panasonic for example.
@@airstripone2419even if that did work nobody wants to spend the extra money for that. Just sounds dumb
Give it a manual, then we will talk.
Need to get the 3.0 to get it
Why pay so much money for the supra if you can buy the bmw for less
because bmw's are ugly
Bmw for that price are either lower in power or used if you're going new vs new there's not really a competition probabl the 4 series and that's 4k more same power but a bit slower but is a sedan and a has more seats any more series car are 20k over this car (without markups ofc) and the shared z4 is 10k more these are all new cars 0 milage but if you're going for used there are 2020 3.0 for 45k or even 2021 2.0 for 40k
The answer to the big question at 10:06: The GR86.
My Mum said if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing…
It's bad enough that the MK5 Supra is 99,9% a BMW. This 4 banger version is an even bigger disgrace!
"This 4 banger version is an even bigger disgrace!" - what engine powered the Castrol Tom's Supra race car?
"It's bad enough that the MK5 Supra is 99.9% a BMW." - is it really 99.9% BMW?
@@pmayo7894 The Castrol Tom Supra was a GT500 race car that shared little with the street MK4 Supra. The MK1, MK2, MK3 and MK4 were all inline-6 only. About the MK5 being 99,9% BMW. Let’s see the MK5’s chassis is BMW, the engine is BMW, the interior is BMW with BMW iDrive. Bro, every single part on the MK5 Supra has BMW part number. Even the ‘TOYOTA’ emblem and ‘Supra’ logo is made by BMW. The MK5 is built in Austria alongside the Z4. Oh and the MK 5 Supra’s VIN number is a BMW vin number 🤣. The only thing Toyota got to do was style the car and tune the suspension and transmission.
@@electrikoptik - again, what engine powered the Castrol Supra?
Funny enough, the platform for BOTH THE Z4 AND SUPRA isn't based on any BMW has made in the paast, Toyota has much, much more leeway and say when developing the CLAR-based one. Besides, having a BMW part number doesn't exactly mean the part made by BMW (especially since they and Toyota get a lot of them from external suppliers and simply put their stickers).
@@pmayo7894 Have you seen the MK5 Supra in detail? My brother owns one. Open the engine you will see BMW logo’s on everything. Go underneath the car and you will again see BMW logos everywhere. On the driver-side door jam area you will see a VIN sticker and what does it say? ‘MFD BY BAYERISCHE MOTOREN WERKE AG’. This is a MK5 vin number ‘WZ1DB4C54KW000014’ decode it and tell me what you see.
@@electrikoptik - I did a couple of times and already took note on the BMW logos. Again, BMW (and Toyota) get a lot of their parts from elsewhere and simply put their stickers on them.
Besides, aren't the two cars made by Magna Steyr (which also happens to make other cars for other manufacturers like Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar)?
TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY! COROLLA GR MUCH BETTER BOTH SHORT AND LONG TERM.
BMW supra no thanks.
Why??