The 4-cylinder 2021 Toyota GR Supra 2.0 Is Here (What’s The Verdict?)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Because the of legendary A80, Supra has come to be defined by its inline-6 engine. The 5th generation 2020 model got one. Now Toyota has brought the turbocharged 4-cylinder model to America. This means the car world will debate whether a 4-cylinder Supra is a real Supra until the end of days and buyers will agonize over which one to buy. Can a Supra with two fewer cylinders still be a good romp? Tom Voelk checks out a Nitro Yellow model. Special thanks to Nate Tennis from DirtFish Rally School for driving duties.
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I really like Toms way of presenting the cars he puts on here. The Narrative is mature and a pleasure to listen too. Keep up the good work, because I enjoy the videos.
Most stylist eligent presentation.
I wonder how Doug de mouro gets highest views ?
Less viewer have classy taste.
This guy and rati’s rides are my fav now
Tom’s voice is exactly suited to a 4cyl Supra review.
Long live the sports cars (even the automatic ones).
Lmao
I love automatic over manual, that zf 8 speed auto shifts faster than any manual
funny his name is tom. much like the most famous 4 cylinder supra the castrol tom's supra.
Indeed, truly an overlooked car channel. (It may pay off to invest in promoting this channel in many different available ways). But we’re rooting for you, Tom. Keep up the good work, it’s enjoyed and appreciated overseas (Ukraine).
Tom, in this weird world it's been so great to have your reviews still land week after week, right in schedule. Thanks for chugging along with the rest of us and injecting some normalcy into my routine. Car looks like a ton of fun! I keep pestering my cousin to get me a test drive at his dealership; no dice!
How Doug Demuro gets 1m a video and you don’t when everything about your videos is so much better is beyond me. Production, narration, editing is top notch and you do this really crazy thing that most auto you tubers don’t, you show rolling shots!! It’s very easy to tell you’re an automotive journalist and really care about the quality of product you’re putting out. Well done Tom.
I've been told I don't have a Doug Score.
I never understood why people hated the 2.0 Supra. I just bought one, and i absolutely love it. It’s perfect for daily driving, it has enough power for the street. I love it, never understood the hate tbh.
I own the 2023 2.0 Supra. It's more than enough power for me. It's my fountain of youth (73). I don't care about how much "noise" the mufflers make. And how it can corner! I took care of the buffiting with an add on and get 42 MPG highway. Others have reported the same. There is an owner who is 7' tall. Mine was $43,000. No 2.0 Supras for 2025. So much fun to drive. I was going to get the GR86 but none were available and my salesman showed me this. Got it in the Stratosphere blue.
Beautiful car (weird being a Toyota), great review Tom, You are a great reviewer
All Toyota Supras look good, and Toyota has made other good looking cars.
Modern day Celica GT-S? It does need a manual with the 4 cyl. And, yes, the world needs sports cars and there are far too many crossovers. Great review as always.
... Would that be where the 86/BRZ picks up the 2+2 formula? The Supra is 2 seats only, so the 86 fits under the Supra nicely.
such a bad time to be a car dealer. They better offer some good deals to keep things moving. As for the engine notes 6 cylinder sounds way better and you can tell it revs quicker too. But I still wouldn't mind the 4 cylinder though.
Is he a dealer
kamionkami1 yea. Production wasn’t massively effected either. No plant closures and the c8 corvette wasn’t delayed a year
I like BMW's 4-cylinder turbo and the aesthetic changes on this. The power is enough for the size. Only negative is the sound.
Hey, hey! I saw a yellow BMW Supra in North Seattle last week (first yellow one I've seen), noted the Cali dealer plate and wondered if it was you. Turned on 'notifications' in anticipation of the video, and here it is. Keep up the great content, fellow Ballard Alps dweller!
The paint does attract attention... What part of North Seattle?
@@DrivenCarReviews Interbay. Side-note: considering how cheap rental-car prices have been since COVID-19 (and considering the extra time I've had), I've been playing "car-reviewer" for the past couple months. So far, I've "self -quarantined- " (edit: "self-isolated") in an A5 (cool tech!), a Maxima (hello-torque-steer; but still fun!), a Jaguar F-Type (Meh.), and a Taco with barely 4k on the odo. (which I _may or may not_ have enjoyed some not-too-technical off-roading, in. ;).
@@quantum_entangled_tardigrade I was there.
I am with Tom. We need more sports cars and more manual transmissions! Personally, I have enough of computers running my home, work and some play ( I have sensors and smart phone for biking). Let me change the gears. Great car, great colour, excellent review. Thanks Tom.
As someone who works with computers all day, I'm sick of them as well. I just want control, not a computer to be in control. Also, to have more organic experiences.
I had the white one at 0:29. Lotta spunk in that 2.8 inline 6. Another quality review. Thanks Tom!
Toyota and BMW have really partnered well with this Supra. A great looking coupe with a 4 cylinder that punches out 255hp! Amazing.
Very cool angle @4:44 Also, thanks Tom for this great review. I've been watching your reviews since the first gen Mazdaspeed3 came out back when you could watch podcasts on iTunes. Great quality as always. Consistent. I LOVE the new Supra. The ONLY problem w/ the 2.0 is that the 6 Cylinder exists...People are ALWAYS comparing the two of them and it makes the 2.0 sound like a value brand in comparison but the truth is, I'd totally be happy with a 2.0 (lighter and with the money saved, I could upgrade brakes and wheels/tires IF i wanted to for much less than the $8,000 price delta between the two engines).
The 2.0T is the gem, for the road warriors. I will not see a track, but, I will wake up at 5 am and take a sweet drive down the turnpike, with the radio off just enjoying the breathing of the exhaust, the speed, and performance as you zip by the ocean, bridges, inclines, turns, and miles of straights. This is the true meaning of a drivers car.
BTW- Summit Point is in the great state of WEST Virginia (its been there since 1864) and Virginia is a commonwealth. Nice reviews. Keep em coming. 🙂
Yep. I'm hearing that.
The lack of an available manual in any sports car is disappointing, and a deal breaker.
Same for me
Best youtube reviewer by far!! Greetings from Costa Rica
A friend just brought us back a big bottle of Lizano. Cheers!
@@DrivenCarReviews haha great!!Salsa Lizano Rocks 💪🏻
I own the ‘20 Supra. The wind buffeting issue is a cheap $10 solution by purchasing small trim pieces that attach to both side mirrors. They deflect the wind to solve the buffeting.
This 4 banger Supra really a modern day Celica. Just give us the 6 Speed and you’ll get more peeps to buy the 4 banger variant.
Agree. The color is gorgeous. That’s the color to have.
Good review Tom
Quickest turn in the business. On track. Beast
Get a yellow car you'll love it! I had 2 bright yellow Triumph motorcycles. The cool thing was I could see cars start to cut me off then stop. Gets you attention!
@@simonburkeisable Not really. I've owned bright red and yellow cars for decades. I've never been pulled over..... probably because I don't have loud, obnoxious exhausts on the cars.
I like yellow cars too, have owned 2 so far. A 1970 MG Midget in Primrose and a 1969 TR6 in Mimosa. Both shades perfect for the vehicle it was on.
The 2.0 should be offered in manual...nuf said
Eh...both should?
WHOA Listening to "Shhh" by PRINCE!!! You are a true fan, my friend.
I spent time in Minneapolis. Did a few things with him. Weird dude but truly amazing.
The looks are growing on me.
Great review! But you forgot to mention the BMW battery! :) I do not dig the single sliding calipers through. Not acceptable on a sport car that is far from being cheap.
Love your videos man, great style, great scenery, keep it going. 👌
Great review as usual Tom!!! The new Supra sure is striking in person. I don't think I personally will ever get past the BMW partnership for it, sooooo... yeah... Stay safe out there man.
Mario Whyte do you think Toyota could actually make a proper sports car without the help of a proper sports car manufacturer like BMW?
Great point. I don't drive at highway speeds with the windows down either
I love the look of a yellow car but I find it hard to find a nice, vibrant shade, but I will agree the color looks great on the Supra!
That car is sick in the blue A91 edition! Stay safe Tom 🙏🏽
Low 40K, like 14K less... great, in my place we hace speed limits, the 6L is a waste of power on regular streets.
As a car guy, I really appreciate your reviews
Tom would make a great Navi Voice. :-). I mean no one fusses over the 4 and 6 cylinder Mustangs that have polluted roadways with their slowness for generations. I have a Corvette Grand Sport so this kind of car is interesting to me. Sat in one at the car show. The inside could use more interesting shapes but is very nice. It's really hard for someone 6 feet tall to not hit their head getting in. I really wish it had some sort of targa top though. It doesn't seem like a hardcore track car so the ability to get some extra light / air would make the car seem more fun. Great review as always.
Turns out there's a bar behind the seat that is removable for more room.
my 4 cylinder mustang would smoke your Corvette. also the fastest supras in the 90s were all 4 cylinders.
Nice review job. It lends excellent credence to "drive a slow car fast", what with the 2.0 engine and snappy 8-speed auto. You say the power won't overcome the suspension. I say "good"! Back roads, here we come!! BTW, 060 in 5 isn't really slow, but in comparison to the Supra-6, well...kinda. But I understand the 2.0 is the better dancer of the two.
I kind of suspect it's a little more fling-able in hard corners but I didn't have an I6 model to directly compare it to.
@@DrivenCarReviews I hope you'll be able to make that driving comparison. Maybe pick your favorite back road and give them both a spin? Will the 2.0 feel like the S2K you owned (regarding "flick-ability")? Probably too porky for that, but at least you have a familiar benchmark in your back pockets. :)
Fantastic reviews Tom 👍. My favorite is the very end.. Love the Yellow but don't have the guts to own one....I know how you feel.
I too love that yellow paint. I've never been much into 2-door performance coupes (I like 4-doors), but this is one of the few that catches my eye.
Although the double-bubble roof is still a bit questionable, but otherwise I love the design.
Agree about the manual transmission...a car designed for car enthusiasts should have one as an option. Also seems to me that the interior could use a little more color...the sea of charcoal grey doesn't do the car justice. Also have to agree about yellow cars and the need for the shade to be "right". My wife had a New Beetle back in the day that was yellow and while the color was okay VW later switched to a less bright shade of yellow that I thought was appreciably nicer looking.
Another awesome presentation!!
excellent video, the car looks great ! I saw it in the Toyota dealership, it looks better in person. I need to tested drive 3.0 & the 2.0.
Agreed, looks better in person. Also depends on the color.
People who claim a 4cyl isn't a real Supra are ignoring Castrol TOM's legendary Supra
Agreed, screams for a stick shift, those are dying a slow death unfortunately
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Great Car Reviews, keep on the good work!
Cheers,
David
Pepsi max/zero calorie > coke zero > diet coke. 📠📠📠
Nope. Coke all the way. And my daughter used to work for Pepsico.
Hot Wheels has several 2020 model Toyota Supras out right now in different colors.
Yellow?
If I could afford one, I would be concerned about BMW maintenance cost on a toyota.
One point I didn't put in the review- do you think Toyota would have teamed with BMW if it though the Bavarians turned out unreliable machinery? Anecdotal, but I have a number of friends with old BMWs that have been quite reliable.
@@DrivenCarReviews key point "old BMWs"
Many are slapping tunes on these or more left and right with nearly everyone that's being bought RN. I think reliability will be the least of their concern since there are already a bunch doing this or that mods to it anyway.
I love my 2.0, if someone is looking for a fun car to drive as a daily and not quite ready or in need of the extra HP of a 6cyl 3.0 You'll truly enjoy this car. It gets tons of looks and is a great first sports car!
Wait is the engine of the 2.0 made by Toyota or bmw ?
@@dannybautista8817 it’s the b48 motor. Also BMW.
@@Grimsie42 awww I thought it was a Toyota engine. Oh well. Still a good car tho
“Anyone over 5’9” should think twice before buying this car”!! Now that’s funny.
Haha yup. Rip
My 2011 Scion TC has the buffeting problem. Always has always will.
I really dig yellow cars.
I love the yellow LFA
great review - keep it up.
You said "theres a new manifold and pistons" and therefore the supra has no further upgrades that owners can do, but in reality it most likely means the opposite... if the engine is making more power without a bigger turbo and has stronger internals then big turbo swaps are gonna be a great upgrade path and make a ton of power.
I also love yellow sports cars.
So it’s like 80s when the Celica GT used the same body as the Supra Celica. Can’t wait till some rebadge it as a new Celica.
The price point puts it just above the civic type r with all the bells and whistles that comes with the top of the line civic
Oh baby sign me up for a 2.0 now , sure it’s down on power but in the modern world and city traffic this is a great alternative to a gti until vw fix that horrible mk8dash
@@TheCarGuru no longer available on local dealers I'm afriad
So funny. My M235i and the 228i look similar on paper and yet they are world apart when driving. The push from the 6cly engine is just so much better.
I love the M235i. Wicked fun that car is.
Who knew, yellow is beautiful.
Who knew, yellow doesn't hide fake BMW Supra!!
My friend, there’s only one Coke - Classic, calories and all! 😋🥤
I'm okay with the calories, I just can't do the sugar. I crash NASCAR style after having it.
Driven Car Reviews I’ve never been a smoker, don’t like alcohol and never touched any (unprescribed) drugs. But sugar - well, that’s my poison / vice / whatever you want to call it!
The design is growing on me.
Same here. Seeing one on the road helps too. Would love a blue one, but any color could be cool honestly. But then there’s the Vette...😎
Great job Tom
Great video!! :D
I really don’t understand why it being called a bmw is a bad thing. As a Toyota driver if someone called my piece of crap a bmw I’d be quite flattered
Right, they should be happy this is essentially a BMW. look at that wonderful interior.
Love your channel. My neighbor had this yellow car to review, and it's a looker. Of course I don't trust myself anymore...the Civic Type R is growing on me too.
I don't know, that Type R is... bold?
@@DrivenCarReviews Indeed
2.0 Bro: I like using 100% of the power 100% of the time.
Ok here's a Yaris.
Exactly.
Yellow supra look soooo good
Tom and Driven fans, from the below cars which one do you think is an everyday fun to drive, proper performance and handling car which stirs excitement when you push the start button.
GR SUPRA 2.0, MX-5, VELOSTER "N", MINI JCW, and 230i convertible.
I agree, there are too few sports cars in the world nowadays. Still, I would have liked this Supra more, if it had a manual (obviously) AND if it felt more Toyota-like, especially on the interior. This feels VERY BMW. But I get it, it was either this or no Supra at all - and this is better than nothing.
I am not at all bothered by the four cylinder, btw... the six is still available and the more engine choices, the merrier.
100% agree, Coke Zero is better than Diet Coke.
6:45 WRONG! There is a button to open the trunk. It is located on the right side under the SUPRA badge.
I know there's a 'thing' about the BMW / Toyota overlap, but is that a thing in the real world? Do BMW and Toyota owners / shoppers cross over? I appreciate car journalists do as they basically drive everything. I'm neither a BMW or Toyota officianado, but much prefer the looks of the Toyota, and I agree with Tom that the yellow looks really good. Also, it does seem reasonable that the 4 cyl is fast enough for the road, plus I bet you can tune the a** off the turbo. Shame the 6 sounds better! (6 cyl in the Alpine please....)
Would you guys prefer a supra with turbo 4 cylinder or updated gt86 with BMW's turbo 4 cylinder? I personally think gt86 with bmw's 4 cylinder would be awsome. I was never a fan of boxers anyways.
I'd be all over one, even the 4 banger if it had a manual.
Manual transmission 4 cylinder and put on straight pipe .
no manual trans is a deal breaker
Tom, does this mean that there is good news for the next gen 86/BRZ? If Toyota feels there is room for a 4cyl Supra that there is also room for a nice 2+2 in the showroom as well. $10k-12k price difference btwn the two?
The GR86 (what it's being called)will have a 260hp 4cyl. Prices are unknown for rn.
Toyota should do like the 80s and make the 4 cylinder model a Celica and 6 cylinder the Celica Supra👌🏽
I get that Toyota is trying to keep costs down, but badge engineering has never been a great idea. One of the reasons I love my 1990 300ZX and 1993 Integra GS is that they're Japanese built (some assembly in California I think on the Z). That fact makes the cars more desirable. Toyota could at least ship their 3.5 V-6 the Austrian factory. If it's good enough to sell to Lotus for use in the Evora (and superchargeable to over 400 hp) surely it could be put to good use in the Supra!
It's not tunable so it wouldn't have been a choice to use. Including by public vote they wanted i6 so it wouldn't have worked.
2L vs 3L...no big deal. No manual? That is a big deal. Bah humbug!
In regards of the turbo-6 in this model year (2020), some reviewers believe Toyota (or BMW) has underreported the power numbers (335).
That was last year's 6 cyl mk5. This year's has more power(382hp) and yes its also underrated.
Billy Sou motortrend dyno’d the Supra. It put down 338 hp to the wheel, about 390 hp at the crank.
Mr. Voelk. Can we have review on 2021 jaguar f type convertible ?
Haven't seen it in the press fleet yet but on my list.
The B48 is a well known engine to be unreliable. I dont understand why Toyota is using these engine instead of the V6 that they have
They have the B58 which was put in for tuners. People won't get power out of that V6 like they will with the B58.
If Toyota puts a Supra Badge on a Car with BMWs approval.. Its a Supra!!
Nice car. If I was in the market I would get the 6. I wouldn't be able to sleep with the 4 knowing the 6 is out there. Just wait a little longer and save that extra 10k.
I chose the 2.0 over the 3.0 for the better fuel economy, cooler rims, and the extra 10 grand in my pocket. Haven't lost any sleep about it.
Coming from a place where taxes are based on the engine capacity, a 2-litre 4-cylinder isn't so bad.
My early z4, though a 6, is less powerful than this and great fun to drive. The Supra seems promising.
Love your reviews. If it was a Toyota product -- and not just a unreliable BMW skinned like a Toyota -- I'd be excited about it.
Why would they go with another BMW motor rather than their own 4 banger? They have those for sure. Pure cheapness and laziness.
4 banger was made for 3 reasons. 1. Weight loss,less weight on the nose of the car(just like the jgtc mk4),and better balance.2. Makes it cheaper than the 6cyl.3. Made specifically for those who want to 2j swap it(already has mounts ready from factory).
The car is made in a BMW factory. It's be like bringing BK onion rings to McD's.
Mightbe Sherwood It is not built at a BMW factory, it is in fact outsourced. It is built by Magna Steyr in Gratz, Austria. Where the Mercedes G, Jaguar I Pace, Jaguar E Pace, BMW Z4, and the Toyota Supra are built.
Great Car even the 4cyl. Standard Transmissions are obsolete. If You ever replaced a Clutch, You find %90 of People who drive them don't know how to property. Most Automatics have Rev Matching & Hill Assist take off programed into them. Most People Who Drive Manual Transmissions use the Clutch for "Hill Assist" and Don't even have a Clue About rev Matching OR How to Do it Properly.
The performance gap between the 2.0 and the 3.0 is HUGE... trust me.
4 CYLINDER 6 cylinder it doesnt really matter - this "supra" is NOT a real supra its a BMW
Basically
Celica 2 electric boogaloo
After all the OG Supra was a 6 cyl celica
How hard is it to make a longer track for the seats otherwise you lose thousands of sale due to people over 6 feet tall makes no sense to me. Yes I’m 6”2.
There's a bar behind the seat that can be removed from what owners say in the forums that's there's also a step by step on how to remove it(someone who was 6'4 was able to get in without removing it). I'd say its all about body type when u get into one of these since some may or may not feel comfortable getting into these.
Isn't that yellow the color code of Driven, Tom? ;-)
Very similar. Slightly goldenrod. My yellow is literally sampled from WASHDOTs centerline paint. I like authenticity.
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