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Awesome video! My only remaining hangup (other than MagSafe)... people are saying the new display “ghosts” much more than the 2015. Would love to get your opinion on that!
I love the new iPhone SE because THAT IS ALL I NEED and wish there was a MacBook equivalent to compete with the more affordable PC laptops. It might cannabilize some high end MBP market share but would certainly make it up by brining PC users over. It would also kill the 2nd hand MBP market which is very strong.
Maybe it could have an all AMD chipset, not have only usb C ports, cost around 700-1000$, come base with a 1TB SSD, and be in 5 colors, space gray, silver, gold, rose gold, and midnight green.
@@Squige Even the $2400 base 16" MBP doesn't have 1TB SSD as base, what makes you think a budget laptop would start at 1TB SSD? For a $700-1000 MacBook SE you'd be lucky to get 256GB as base
Great you just bought 5 year old tech with next to no graphics processing power. You need to figure out how to put in a 2-4tb m.2 ssd or the 2015 MBP is not worth it.
1:55 "the hinge is actually plastic" the hinge hardware is (of course) metal in both cases. On the 2015 laptop the hinge *cover* is plastic to allow wifi/bluetooth signals through.
Really the SD slot is the only port I miss while portable. I have a travel hub but putting the SD in the travel hub and having to "eject" it everytime I unplug the hub is annoying. I used to just leave the SD (actually a TFS in a SD caddy) in all the time even while in the laptop bag. I could quickly swap between my Surface and MacBook with really quickly now I have to remember it is in the hub.
@@Roman-kl3wk Nope, this is true. I've done some mixes on my projects at high-end post sound houses, and we always do a listening pass on a set of 'typical' consumer, non-reference speakers as well. It's not 'required,' but you do get an idea of what you might want to bump up or make more present if it gets too lost on low quality speakers.
@@haysoos123 same thing. In the end trying to listen on a number of "customer" speakers, including different headphones, laptop speakers, even phone speakers, looking for compromise.
@@haysoos123 But you use it as a test case, you don't depend on just those speakers do you? I do believe if it was just video editing for speaking (like RUclips videos) or training videos or whatever than the MBP speakers are probably just fine. If you are cutting an album, then probably need something more hifi.
Although the 16” is extremely powerful I think that the 2015 15” is still the best MacBook Pro! It is the best compromise between thin- and lightness and enough ports!
I just bought the 16 inch and I had the 2015 15” inch. My advice is stick with the 2015 15”, save your money unless you really REALLY need the performance. Also, the new keyboard and trackpad is 100% nosier
2015 15” MBP holdout here. I have the same exact top end model that you used in your video. The performance is better on the 16”, no question, but the fact remains I’d have dongle life if I upgraded. Maybe if they put a better webcam in a future model with at least one more compelling feature. For now, I’m holding on to what I have.
I just bought a 2020 13" MBP maxed out. Gave the 2015 15" MBP to my wife because she lost her job and company computers (a surface 7 and iMAC). Honestly, unless you have a VERY specific need like constantly transferring 4k videos many times a day there really isn't anything the 2020 does that the 2015 can't do without any tangible loss in productivity.
@@tony24-u9x A proper cable won't give you an internal SD card slot. Therefore, the "dongles" I speak of include an external SD card slot, which is bothersome seeing it used to be internal.
I literally was about to tweet at MaxTech asking when this video was going to come out and literally within the same minute of typing that tweet, I got the notification for this video!! Cant wait to see the full review of the 16" guys! Keep up the great work!
I just got the 2015 mbp i7 with dedicated geaphics card for $750 refurbished. Well worth it for me. It runs great for light video editing and programming. The only upgrade I'm thinking is a 2TB m.2 NVME SSD that's arriving in a few days. I'll make a video showing the before and after!
I literally got my 16 inch MacBook Pro 3 days ago. its absolutely perfect and amazing!! switching to this from the 2018 13 inch MacBook Pro is such a huge difference and the new magic keyboard is soooooo much better. just by the feel you can tell that it is going to last a lot longer than the old one. I had so many problems with the butterfly keyboard it seemed like I was at the apple store every month getting it replaced...
This comparison is great. I have the mid2015 15 inch MacBook Pro as my personal computer and the specked out 16 inch MacBook Pro given to me as a work computer by my current employer. As a software engineer I definitely notice a difference in the CPU power when running multiple dev tools, local servers and development environments on the new machine compared to my old one. Having worked with a newer one, I’ve heavily considered upgrading my personal one to match it but as of right now I don’t have a reason to since my current MacBook is still performing well enough for my hobby projects.
Spazza42 speed, design, and computing power yes! Although I did think it would be brighter and my battery life is HORRIBLE... less than 2 hours when editing video
I hated the poor battery life of the 2015, the rubber that goes around the screen eventually wears out and starts to dirty the computer, the keys fade very quickly and the cpu heats up very easily. Also the sound is very poor compared to others on the market, so I will upgrade to the 2019 hoping to fix these problems.
You not noticed any ghosting with the 16”? I have. It seems no one is talking about it. Yes it’s got 60hz but the response time of the screen must be hella slow. Seems poor for a £2.3k minimum machine.
I'm still using my maxed out non-retina Mid 2012 MBP with the classic anti-glare display as my main computer. As much as I like the 16 inch, the price point is too high for me and it would still be dongle life if I upgraded.
If you want gaming, buy yourself a 27" iMac and a used 2015 MBP. Now you have a sweet gaming/design desktop, and a great portable with excellent ports... for about the cost of a maxed out 2019 mbp.
Thanks for this great video! I have the 15" mid-2015 MBP and am probably going to the 16" this year. Curious why you did all of your tests running on battery for both machines? why not show tests with battery vs plugged into power? I doubt most gaming and video/audio work would be done on battery and Macs are famous for adjusting things based on available power.
Ive just sold my 15inch mid 2015 for the new 16inch and I am so happy !!! its so much more powerful in every respect, shame about having to use a dongle but the bonus is being able to have a lot more peripherals at the same time.
I bought my 2015, 2,8Ghz, 1Tb SSD, 16Gb RAM the other day for only $295. It was as good as new. Still impressed with it. I do not need more for the work I am doin.
@@atticustay1 well I prefer charging with Magsafe, need USB A for connecting flash drives for school, HDMI comes in handy with projectors at school and the SD card reader is useful not for me but for my friends who do photography. With the 16" you need dongles for all of that. The perfect port situation would be at least 2 thunderbolts, 1 USB A and an SD card slot. That way you can have everything without needing dongles
really would love to buy the 2019 16” but its so expensive.. think a refurb 2015 15” is more within my reach... but i don’t want to still spend a fair few hundred pounds on a 5 year old device!! if only the new one wasn’t over 2 grand !
Freya wait for the 14”! Exact same advantages such as new keyboard, great cpu, speakers, and the new keyboard! On top of that it will have a 4k display! It’s coming out by the end of the year and will be announced by the end of april.
One thing I would say is that the 2015 Macbook Pro still has miles better keyboard than the 2019. Yes, the 2019 is now back to scissors switch, but don't let those youtubers fool you. It still feels like butterfly switch but with slight more key travel. It probably fixed the key failing problem but the typing experience is still much better on the good old 2015, especially for long term typing.
Finally the review we waited for You are correct many of us including me have the pre-15 MBP Models but i already ordered the 2,3Ghz 32GB 8Gbvram after your forst reviews of the 16“
Max Tech It’s worth to fully maxed out to i9 2.4ghz and 64gb ram to be future-proof? I’m going to upgrade the exact same mid 2015 you tested... But it has to last me the next 4 years of video editing...
steinmar2 I’m quite skeptical... nowadays with 8k around the corner and 10bits codecs i’m afraid this macbook can’t handle it. But I can’t wait more, the mid 2015 its being too slow for my 4k 12minutes projects 😞
Nice comparison, I have the mid 2015 model, I took him new from an Hungarian in 2018 for 1400 euro ..recently I have upgraded the ssd from 250 to 1 tb with only 140 euro an an adaptor witch cost 10 euro : all is working fine .. I don t have to use heavy programs but instead I use a lot all the ports that are so useful without any dongle ..I can't upgrade my magsafe . The new Mac have 0 upgradable parts and this means that you have to support the extra cost added on real time when you buy it ,extra cost that are out of hardware market , eventually you will find after that you even don't need that extra upgrade ...so let me say that soldered ram, soldered hard disk (with the problem of data rescue in case of broken logic board as they are crypted with the t2 chip) is no good things ... sorry for my English
My MacBook Pro 2015 has died recently, so that I needed a new one. Thank you for the video, now I'm not that frustrated about spending money on the 2019 model.
Keeping my 2010 MacBook Pro 15” for yet a few years to come 😊 It’s going very well with self-setup Fusion Drive back in 2012. Minor issues I’m learning to adapt to but it’s a truely personalized machine. Now waiting for the 2nd gen MacBook Pro with Apple Silicon to replace it. So hopefully we’ll still enjoy each others company for some years to come
@@deepfault yes and no. When they launched fusion drives in 2012 or 13 I’ve done that. Got much faster but can obviously not reach pure SSD capacity today. Now I don’t find it worth to replace the FusionDrive by a single SSD.
Since Apple wants to touchbar so much and since there is plenty of room, why isn't the touchbar separate from the physical keyboard, closer to the screen? I mean, have the physical keys and over it the touch bar?
Just ran a CPU test on my Mid 2015 Pro/16GB/1TB drive. Single-core came back 888 and Multi-core is 3215 -- nowhere near what this video is showing. Am I missing something or is this just a bad result...and something needs fixing?
I have my macbook pro 2015 model 15" since November 2016. I spend an average time on this laptop 8 hours minimum/ day to date. Never had an issue. Never turned it off. Never had to restart it. Man this is the best 2500$ investment I ever made!!
@Duke Gibson Yes going strong. I love it! I went for 2.3 GHz 8 core i9 + 32 GB RAM + Radeon 5500 8 GB graphics + 2 TB storage. The new M1 macs look amazing but I really like having a 16" laptop
Of course the 2019 model is better in almost every compartment, but I still have two remarks. 1.) you are too biased towards the new one. Screen comparison - none of those Google websites is white. One is blue, the other is more orange. There is no "paper-like" feeling on any of them. Speakers - do you really recommend these shitty speakers for music production? Come on... whilst it is true that the speakers on the 16" model is one of the best out now, it still has no real accurate bass, high are missing and high-mids are too present. This is an inherent flaw of small speakers - you can't cheat physics. 2.) the price difference on these machines is almost ridiculous - I mean the 16" model costs 5-6 times as much as the 2015, but with everything said it won't give you 5-6 times the experience.
5-6 times as much 😂. What a joke. Are you comparing used market to a newly bought machine? Lol thats not how it works dud. Buying a used 2015 has its cons, most obvious that its used...
Just bought a 2015 MacBook Pro pretty much fully loaded except for the SSD is 500 MB but it's got the extra graphics card AMD. I got it on Back Market for $395 and the condition is specified as "excellent" which with this company means essentially brand new. I believe I will get at least another 5 to 10 years out of it but will probably replace it with an M2 or M3 five years from now
I’m still considering getting the 2015 MacBook Pro because I mostly just want MacOS. I’m very confident that I can get most of my daily needs satisfied by the 2018 iPad Pro, with only desktop-related tasks done on the Mac device I end up getting. It’s either the 2015 MacBook Pro or the 2018 Mac Mini.
and "massive" ;) seriously, though thank you - this is really helpful. Still on the fence - typing from my 15" 2015 which at this point practically has holes worn through the D,S, and spacebar keys.
you’re welcome! I totally agree. If you are on budget can’t afford newest 16” MBP. Maxed-out 2015 15”(m370x dedicated graphics) is best value and reliable work machine. I’m satisfying since day one I owned it. Not to mention that any butterfly keyboard (2016～2019) Macbooks ,those are overpriced, not reliable definitely keep them away.
If I was doing video production I might say, go for a maxed 16" current gen MBP... but then again, good video should probably be done on a desktop machine anyway. Since I do UI/UX, the 2015 is plenty fast enough for what I do.
I sold my 2017 MacBook Pro, 15 Zoll, 256 GB to downgrade to 2015 MacBook Pro, 15 Zoll 1 TB. One thing I hate the most is all the missing ports of Mac after 2015, once you attached it with those external ports, you will feel that you are dealing with a patient with many blood vessels, esp if you are doing it with your music devices.
VERY NICE REVIEW! Will definitely consider the 16inch 2020 version soon! I still have the ever dependable Mid-2015 15Inch Macbook pro and it does wonders without the need to bring a lot of dongle adapters and cables, sure it does not have the convenience of having that one touch authentication and has a slighter weight but who would have noticed those few grams anyways? :) Got the 2018 15Inch Macbook pro retina w/ touch bar, after 2 years, it already has a lot of issues, left speakers dead/grounded, keyboards frequently stuck, very noisy key strikes even with its thinner profile (especially when you're trying to sneak work during midnight trying not to wake up your wife :) ) and a really noisy fan that will eventually translate to your laptop being slow at times especially when you're working on multiple tasks/windows, the only thing i love about it is the One Touch authentication which is the most convenient thing and the type c charging which is seriously fast, screen is ok but not something worth upgrading if you already own the 2015 one. Just get a better 4k monitor from Dell or LG and it should set you up nicely if color quality really matters to you :)
..I love my 2013 ...the keyboard...love it..my 2008 Late ALU 13" MacBook as well...older but still love them, I think my main issue with the newer keyboards isn't so much their "travel" but their size, i feel like I am over stretching my fingers while I try to type on it
I bought, and returned, a 2018 mbp. I found the "True Tone" display suffered from the same overly yellow effect that some Thunderbolt displays exhibited. the 2015 laptops have much more accurate colour. This reviewer isn't a designer. I kept my 2015 MBP.
Great video as always...I started my RUclips channel using a mid 2012 MacBook pro as my editing computer even though it doesn't perform so well... Hoping to upgrade to a better model as the channel grows.
I know I’m a month late but this video is exactly what I’ve been waiting and searching for! I need to unsubscribe to subscribe again cause this channel is LIFE when it comes to this stuff!
ruclips.net/video/682V63mdjYE/видео.html Here's a video from Snazzy Labs with the 2019 2.4GHz 8-core 15" MBP. His 2.4 15" model scored 3231 in Cinebench R20 Our 2.3 15" model scored 3183 That's about 1% faster performance for $200 more. The results should stay around the same for the 16", and even if it goes up to 3% faster, it's still not worth $200.
@@winnermatt1180 As he said, it's for his company. In germany for example, you could get back the half of the price by your tax return, when you need that device for your company. So it's not a big deal, it's just normal operational expenditure.
Added an SSD and 8gb ram to MacBook pro 2011 i7, couldn't be happier, instead of buying a new one. obviously with adding the new thermal paste. but can't update that software higher than El Capitan unfortunately because it will randomly power off by its own.
The 16" whites are far too eye-straining yellow. Here's how I corrected. System Prefs/ Displays... generate a custom colour profile and change from default 6500 colour temp to 7500. Save and then re-select to activate. Still too much yellow? ALSO try this... Access System Prefs / Accessibility... then navigate to Display. Enable colour filters and select type: Colour Tint. Apply Apple "blue" from the middle colour chart. Close up. While you're still in Accessibility, you will see the blue tint is selected. Make sure it's set at its lowest tinting value. This will take that headache inducing edge off your whites and provide a more neutral overall visual experience.
Will you do a video editing comparison between the new MacBook Pro 16 with the MSI Creator or another Windows laptop with a high end GPU. The XPS 15 is nice, but there are so many more powerful options that are still cheaper than a MacBook Pro 16.
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I've held onto the 2015 15inch because i don't have money to upgrade even though i want to. fact.
Awesome video! My only remaining hangup (other than MagSafe)... people are saying the new display “ghosts” much more than the 2015. Would love to get your opinion on that!
@@busimo I've held onto the 2013 15inch, my computer can't even hit 400mbs speed on ssd.
Ports and money lol
@@Net-Zone i feel that
Apple could do a "Macbook Pro SE" with the old design and new specs. It would sell like crazy for the old model orphans like me...
I love the new iPhone SE because THAT IS ALL I NEED and wish there was a MacBook equivalent to compete with the more affordable PC laptops. It might cannabilize some high end MBP market share but would certainly make it up by brining PC users over. It would also kill the 2nd hand MBP market which is very strong.
yeah
Maybe it could have an all AMD chipset, not have only usb C ports, cost around 700-1000$, come base with a 1TB SSD, and be in 5 colors, space gray, silver, gold, rose gold, and midnight green.
@@Squige Prob what is coming with the ARM new ones. I just wish they would keep this design with USB-C instead of Tbolt2. Would be a killer.
@@Squige Even the $2400 base 16" MBP doesn't have 1TB SSD as base, what makes you think a budget laptop would start at 1TB SSD? For a $700-1000 MacBook SE you'd be lucky to get 256GB as base
literally just bought a maxed out 2015 15" and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. 500USD on ebay
Kacper Kawala hows it going? Same here but for $795
Yikes I got one for 150$
Link??
same but for £1400
Great you just bought 5 year old tech with next to no graphics processing power. You need to figure out how to put in a 2-4tb m.2 ssd or the 2015 MBP is not worth it.
1:55 "the hinge is actually plastic" the hinge hardware is (of course) metal in both cases. On the 2015 laptop the hinge *cover* is plastic to allow wifi/bluetooth signals through.
Craig Kovatch The plastic on it is garbage for durability tho, or at least it is on the Mid 2012
@@MrIDGAF the rubber gasket around the screen was garbage too, I just got a 2020 MBP 13" and I hope it doesn't start melting anytime soon
Kerem What Mac did you have? Was it a mid 2012 pro?
@@MrIDGAF 15" 2014
@@KeremBJK96 I never had the rubber gasket melt off on mine, hopefully it doesn't lol
Apple should never have removed that SD card slot on the side
Really the SD slot is the only port I miss while portable. I have a travel hub but putting the SD in the travel hub and having to "eject" it everytime I unplug the hub is annoying. I used to just leave the SD (actually a TFS in a SD caddy) in all the time even while in the laptop bag. I could quickly swap between my Surface and MacBook with really quickly now I have to remember it is in the hub.
No music producer would ever rely on built in laptop speakers for mixing music
Trooper Dose man I was just about to say lol
@@Roman-kl3wk Nope, this is true. I've done some mixes on my projects at high-end post sound houses, and we always do a listening pass on a set of 'typical' consumer, non-reference speakers as well. It's not 'required,' but you do get an idea of what you might want to bump up or make more present if it gets too lost on low quality speakers.
True.man
@@haysoos123 same thing. In the end trying to listen on a number of "customer" speakers, including different headphones, laptop speakers, even phone speakers, looking for compromise.
@@haysoos123 But you use it as a test case, you don't depend on just those speakers do you? I do believe if it was just video editing for speaking (like RUclips videos) or training videos or whatever than the MBP speakers are probably just fine. If you are cutting an album, then probably need something more hifi.
Although the 16” is extremely powerful I think that the 2015 15” is still the best MacBook Pro! It is the best compromise between thin- and lightness and enough ports!
Still holding on to my 15" 2015 MacBook Pro! Truly a king!
Same! This thing is going strong. Just the speakers went bad but I am using a bluetooth speaker so no issue there
@@alexandrutosa4292 Even my speakers are suffering!
There couldn’t be a better comparison!
That’s exactly the 2015 MacBook Pro I own. 👌
i own the 2015 15 maxed out. it's slow as fuck though.
Business Momo i got the base model 2015 and it still rocks
@@keijiazum9282 its okay for everyday use, only a bit of heavy lifting and it's unusable.
@Business Momo it handles parallels and final cut just fine but defiantly not for gaming
@@keijiazum9282 if i add a few effects and transitions, it starts to lag and freeze for me.
This was exactly the video I was hoping someone would do. Thanks!
Still using my 2013 Mac! Had it for 6 years now
Hue T. Nguyen damn right. I JUST replaced my 2011 MacBook Air!
I just bought the 16 inch and I had the 2015 15” inch. My advice is stick with the 2015 15”, save your money unless you really REALLY need the performance. Also, the new keyboard and trackpad is 100% nosier
Thank you Alexander, that was really helpful for me.
same better to wait till 2021 for the new 16 inch
Why not do a comparison with Resolve and Final Cut on the new MacBook or even a Blackmagic RAW test?
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Plus one on this
2015 15” MBP holdout here. I have the same exact top end model that you used in your video. The performance is better on the 16”, no question, but the fact remains I’d have dongle life if I upgraded. Maybe if they put a better webcam in a future model with at least one more compelling feature. For now, I’m holding on to what I have.
I just bought a 2020 13" MBP maxed out. Gave the 2015 15" MBP to my wife because she lost her job and company computers (a surface 7 and iMAC). Honestly, unless you have a VERY specific need like constantly transferring 4k videos many times a day there really isn't anything the 2020 does that the 2015 can't do without any tangible loss in productivity.
MALNOURISHED PANDA No. I could force it to be slow while using CAD apps but not during normal use.
Preach bro. 2015 is still dynamic
@@tony24-u9x A proper cable won't give you an internal SD card slot. Therefore, the "dongles" I speak of include an external SD card slot, which is bothersome seeing it used to be internal.
I literally was about to tweet at MaxTech asking when this video was going to come out and literally within the same minute of typing that tweet, I got the notification for this video!! Cant wait to see the full review of the 16" guys! Keep up the great work!
Thanks! :) Glad to help!
Base i7 16" vs $3500 16" MBP video will be coming after Thanksgiving!
@@MaxTechOfficial should we go for i7 for virtualization?
I just got the 2015 mbp i7 with dedicated geaphics card for $750 refurbished. Well worth it for me. It runs great for light video editing and programming. The only upgrade I'm thinking is a 2TB m.2 NVME SSD that's arriving in a few days. I'll make a video showing the before and after!
Fast forward 3 years and I got an almost new 16" 2019 for $700 😬
@@gideonMorrison But sadly you can't install a 2TB SSD directly. While on Mid-2015 you still can
i think your 2015 MBP screen has some colour issues as both displays are usually identical
I literally got my 16 inch MacBook Pro 3 days ago. its absolutely perfect and amazing!! switching to this from the 2018 13 inch MacBook Pro is such a huge difference and the new magic keyboard is soooooo much better. just by the feel you can tell that it is going to last a lot longer than the old one. I had so many problems with the butterfly keyboard it seemed like I was at the apple store every month getting it replaced...
This comparison is great. I have the mid2015 15 inch MacBook Pro as my personal computer and the specked out 16 inch MacBook Pro given to me as a work computer by my current employer. As a software engineer I definitely notice a difference in the CPU power when running multiple dev tools, local servers and development environments on the new machine compared to my old one. Having worked with a newer one, I’ve heavily considered upgrading my personal one to match it but as of right now I don’t have a reason to since my current MacBook is still performing well enough for my hobby projects.
you where very wise not to upgrade considering the next macbook pro model after this
Can’t wait to get the new 16”with almost these same specs! I’m coming from a base model 2015 15” so the upgrade is going to be huge!
And my bag upgrade is also huge. Then I bought this amzn.to/2Ouhoxx
EV GTop thanks!!
Was it as huge as you thought though??
Spazza42 speed, design, and computing power yes! Although I did think it would be brighter and my battery life is HORRIBLE... less than 2 hours when editing video
1:37 "And another thing we noticed with this 16 inch is that it is slightly bigger than the 15 inch..."
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In germany good 2015 Pro‘s are still around 1000€. To much for me.
find a good deal, i found that in my country they were 1500CND but i found one with hard work and time for 500usd mint condition
@@kacperkawala where did you find it. I got mine a week ago 1200 CDN
I have the feeling that now that we're back with reliable keyboards, the 16" will have very good resale value in the coming years.
Exactly. I also live in Germany, but I don't understand why they are so expensive! 2013 27" iMac base model is around 600-700€. Wow!
I'll buy one today for 900€. Looks like new and has all the nice specs.
Still holding on to my 2015 Macbook Pro
@M4RV 1 I have original SSD 256gb....do you think if I get 970 EVO....will be faster? Thanks
FINALLY someone has made this video! You got there first haha, nice one!
I hated the poor battery life of the 2015, the rubber that goes around the screen eventually wears out and starts to dirty the computer, the keys fade very quickly and the cpu heats up very easily. Also the sound is very poor compared to others on the market, so I will upgrade to the 2019 hoping to fix these problems.
This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for! 💻👌 Thanks mate
You not noticed any ghosting with the 16”? I have. It seems no one is talking about it. Yes it’s got 60hz but the response time of the screen must be hella slow. Seems poor for a £2.3k minimum machine.
I'm still using my maxed out non-retina Mid 2012 MBP with the classic anti-glare display as my main computer. As much as I like the 16 inch, the price point is too high for me and it would still be dongle life if I upgraded.
If you want gaming, buy yourself a 27" iMac and a used 2015 MBP. Now you have a sweet gaming/design desktop, and a great portable with excellent ports... for about the cost of a maxed out 2019 mbp.
Thanks for this great video! I have the 15" mid-2015 MBP and am probably going to the 16" this year. Curious why you did all of your tests running on battery for both machines? why not show tests with battery vs plugged into power? I doubt most gaming and video/audio work would be done on battery and Macs are famous for adjusting things based on available power.
I'm still using the late 2013 15" MacBook Pro. I think it's time to upgrade.
SeeTv but I have heard that the new intel processor is coming in three months
late 2013 is pretty much identical to the 2015 minus the force touch trackpad.
I feel like now being able to install Ventura on the 2015 just added even more value to it.
This is the video I was looking for. Thank you Max.
Ive just sold my 15inch mid 2015 for the new 16inch and I am so happy !!! its so much more powerful in every respect, shame about having to use a dongle but the bonus is being able to have a lot more peripherals at the same time.
Yup, the M1 is just so much more performant and smoother. And don't get me started on the amazing 120Hz XDR display...
I bought my 2015, 2,8Ghz, 1Tb SSD, 16Gb RAM the other day for only $295. It was as good as new.
Still impressed with it. I do not need more for the work I am doin.
16” > 15” in every way except glowing apple logo, it makes the new mac fade away, the old one still has that True Apple WOW factor😯😱
And the ports
Houssam Alucad The ports are better on the 16”
It’s weird also how the logo on the newer ones is smaller. I wonder why they did that.
@@atticustay1 well I prefer charging with Magsafe, need USB A for connecting flash drives for school, HDMI comes in handy with projectors at school and the SD card reader is useful not for me but for my friends who do photography.
With the 16" you need dongles for all of that.
The perfect port situation would be at least 2 thunderbolts, 1 USB A and an SD card slot. That way you can have everything without needing dongles
really would love to buy the 2019 16” but its so expensive.. think a refurb 2015 15” is more within my reach... but i don’t want to still spend a fair few hundred pounds on a 5 year old device!! if only the new one wasn’t over 2 grand !
Freya wait for the 14”! Exact same advantages such as new keyboard, great cpu, speakers, and the new keyboard! On top of that it will have a 4k display! It’s coming out by the end of the year and will be announced by the end of april.
@@austin2150 wonder if Apple will be able to squeeze in a decent dedicated GPU like Razer did on the Blade Stealth late 2019 🤔
Honestly hoping they do
One thing I would say is that the 2015 Macbook Pro still has miles better keyboard than the 2019. Yes, the 2019 is now back to scissors switch, but don't let those youtubers fool you. It still feels like butterfly switch but with slight more key travel. It probably fixed the key failing problem but the typing experience is still much better on the good old 2015, especially for long term typing.
Finally the review we waited for
You are correct many of us including me have the pre-15 MBP Models
but i already ordered the 2,3Ghz 32GB 8Gbvram after your forst reviews of the 16“
Good choice! Almost fully-specced out. Should last you for the next few years.
Max Tech It’s worth to fully maxed out to i9 2.4ghz and 64gb ram to be future-proof? I’m going to upgrade the exact same mid 2015 you tested... But it has to last me the next 4 years of video editing...
Sera ElFín 2,3Ghz with 32GB should future proof yourself for the next 5 years again
steinmar2 I’m quite skeptical... nowadays with 8k around the corner and 10bits codecs i’m afraid this macbook can’t handle it. But I can’t wait more, the mid 2015 its being too slow for my 4k 12minutes projects 😞
Nice comparison, I have the mid 2015 model, I took him new from an Hungarian in 2018 for 1400 euro ..recently I have upgraded the ssd from 250 to 1 tb with only 140 euro an an adaptor witch cost 10 euro : all is working fine .. I don t have to use heavy programs but instead I use a lot all the ports that are so useful without any dongle ..I can't upgrade my magsafe . The new Mac have 0 upgradable parts and this means that you have to support the extra cost added on real time when you buy it ,extra cost that are out of hardware market , eventually you will find after that you even don't need that extra upgrade ...so let me say that soldered ram, soldered hard disk (with the problem of data rescue in case of broken logic board as they are crypted with the t2 chip) is no good things ... sorry for my English
This guy is the GOAT, so many helpful and informative videos about macs
this is the perfect video for me. Our specs are the exact same for the new MBP and im currently using a mid-2014 MBP. Can't wait to get mine.
2015 is my best year. So i have a 2015 vehicle, and 2015 macbook pro
My MacBook Pro 2015 has died recently, so that I needed a new one. Thank you for the video, now I'm not that frustrated about spending money on the 2019 model.
Thanks for the great video!
That’s exactly the one I was waiting for.
I still have my 2015 15" atm. I just ordered the 2019 16" because it was time to upgrade. pretty excited.
Keeping my 2010 MacBook Pro 15” for yet a few years to come 😊
It’s going very well with self-setup Fusion Drive back in 2012. Minor issues I’m learning to adapt to but it’s a truely personalized machine.
Now waiting for the 2nd gen MacBook Pro with Apple Silicon to replace it. So hopefully we’ll still enjoy each others company for some years to come
2010 is a very good laptop. I think the most durable years are the ones from 2009-2012.
They're built like a tank. btw did you put an ssd in it?
@@deepfault yes and no. When they launched fusion drives in 2012 or 13 I’ve done that. Got much faster but can obviously not reach pure SSD capacity today. Now I don’t find it worth to replace the FusionDrive by a single SSD.
Can’t believe you just mentioned music producers in your video :P we’re making some progress here!
2015 all the way i just bought one with dual graphics at a very low price glad I bought because I can assure the trend will blow up
Since Apple wants to touchbar so much and since there is plenty of room, why isn't the touchbar separate from the physical keyboard, closer to the screen? I mean, have the physical keys and over it the touch bar?
Just ran a CPU test on my Mid 2015 Pro/16GB/1TB drive. Single-core came back 888 and Multi-core is 3215 -- nowhere near what this video is showing. Am I missing something or is this just a bad result...and something needs fixing?
Definitely go for a 15" 2015 MacBook ...no doubt.
I have my macbook pro 2015 model 15" since November 2016.
I spend an average time on this laptop 8 hours minimum/ day to date.
Never had an issue. Never turned it off. Never had to restart it.
Man this is the best 2500$ investment I ever made!!
i have the 2015 MBP as well, and just found out i was ablet to change out the SSD1TB to 2TB and was easy to replace.
Just bought a speced out 16” coming from a 2012 MBP! Can’t waiiiiitttt
@Duke Gibson Yes going strong. I love it! I went for 2.3 GHz 8 core i9 + 32 GB RAM + Radeon 5500 8 GB graphics + 2 TB storage. The new M1 macs look amazing but I really like having a 16" laptop
@Duke Gibson I'm not a gamer myself, but I do a lot of photography and graphics/illustrator stuff and it's been flawless
Awesome comparison. Answered a lot of questions for me. Thank you for doing this!
I just got a 2015 maxed out refurbished one. Super super solid.
Of course the 2019 model is better in almost every compartment, but I still have two remarks.
1.) you are too biased towards the new one. Screen comparison - none of those Google websites is white. One is blue, the other is more orange. There is no "paper-like" feeling on any of them. Speakers - do you really recommend these shitty speakers for music production? Come on... whilst it is true that the speakers on the 16" model is one of the best out now, it still has no real accurate bass, high are missing and high-mids are too present. This is an inherent flaw of small speakers - you can't cheat physics.
2.) the price difference on these machines is almost ridiculous - I mean the 16" model costs 5-6 times as much as the 2015, but with everything said it won't give you 5-6 times the experience.
5-6 times as much 😂. What a joke.
Are you comparing used market to a newly bought machine? Lol thats not how it works dud. Buying a used 2015 has its cons, most obvious that its used...
I’ve hidden that glowing Apple logo all these years. 🤣 This is the exact model I own too, but the ⌘, S, and A keys are weathered out.
wow they really did a good job with the speakers. you could barely hear the bass in the 15” but it sounds quite deep in the 16”
I was thinking of doing the same thing and getting a 2015. I stopped that a while ago now. I mean 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro while. ;)
Just bought a 2015 MacBook Pro pretty much fully loaded except for the SSD is 500 MB but it's got the extra graphics card AMD. I got it on Back Market for $395 and the condition is specified as "excellent" which with this company means essentially brand new. I believe I will get at least another 5 to 10 years out of it but will probably replace it with an M2 or M3 five years from now
awesome man! Happy for you!! Update us on how it performs when you use it!!
Come on Max, how do you tell producers to use macbook speakers to produce music. Macbook>> studio monitors? Why bro
I’m still considering getting the 2015 MacBook Pro because I mostly just want MacOS. I’m very confident that I can get most of my daily needs satisfied by the 2018 iPad Pro, with only desktop-related tasks done on the Mac device I end up getting. It’s either the 2015 MacBook Pro or the 2018 Mac Mini.
The new one is def faster but I just love the keyboard on the old one and the extra usb ports
Take a drink for each “actually” and “definitely”
That's definitely a bad idea.
Lol - you’re probably right. :)
and "massive" ;) seriously, though thank you - this is really helpful. Still on the fence - typing from my 15" 2015 which at this point practically has holes worn through the D,S, and spacebar keys.
@@ktcaldwell2231 My gf says that to me a lot ;)
Interesting, the 15 inch appears to have better mic.
I have the base 15 inch from 2015. NEVER gets hot and always quiet.
Best laptop ever.
I will upgrade ssd to 1tb
Hi, I really like your videos, keep it going. Now can you make a comparison between the base 2020 13” MacBook Pro and that 2015 15” MacBook Pro?
Very useful video, thanks!
I just bought a 2015 MacBook Pro 15” for $450!!! It’s in amazing condition and has the i7 chip. Good deal ????
Great deal
From where bro??? I just found one 700$
is the 15'' from 2015 enough for a graphic design student?
more than enough. i'm still rocking 2015 15'' and working as a professional entertainment designer since 2016.
Angra Pan wow! Okay now I‘m relieved, I just think the newer ones are overpriced and a lot of people are very unhappy with them, thank you very much!!
you’re welcome! I totally agree. If you are on budget can’t afford newest 16” MBP. Maxed-out 2015 15”(m370x dedicated graphics) is best value and reliable work machine. I’m satisfying since day one I owned it. Not to mention that any butterfly keyboard (2016～2019) Macbooks ,those are overpriced, not reliable definitely keep them away.
If I was doing video production I might say, go for a maxed 16" current gen MBP... but then again, good video should probably be done on a desktop machine anyway. Since I do UI/UX, the 2015 is plenty fast enough for what I do.
For what I do with my macbook pro retina 15" A1398 im still not convinced to upgrade, plastic hinge sounds well dodgy on the 16"
The audio from the 16" pro is better than the mic you used to record this video! 😂
I sold my 2017 MacBook Pro, 15 Zoll, 256 GB to downgrade to 2015 MacBook Pro, 15 Zoll 1 TB. One thing I hate the most is all the missing ports of Mac after 2015, once you attached it with those external ports, you will feel that you are dealing with a patient with many blood vessels, esp if you are doing it with your music devices.
GRT video and comparisons sir! 🙌🏻⚡️💪🏻💻💥👏🏻
1:40 wrong. the 2019 16 inch macbook pro is in both dimensions about 1mm smaller than 2015 15 inch macbook pro horizontally.
VERY NICE REVIEW! Will definitely consider the 16inch 2020 version soon!
I still have the ever dependable Mid-2015 15Inch Macbook pro and it does wonders without the need to bring a lot of dongle adapters and cables, sure it does not have the convenience of having that one touch authentication and has a slighter weight but who would have noticed those few grams anyways? :)
Got the 2018 15Inch Macbook pro retina w/ touch bar, after 2 years, it already has a lot of issues, left speakers dead/grounded, keyboards frequently stuck, very noisy key strikes even with its thinner profile (especially when you're trying to sneak work during midnight trying not to wake up your wife :) ) and a really noisy fan that will eventually translate to your laptop being slow at times especially when you're working on multiple tasks/windows, the only thing i love about it is the One Touch authentication which is the most convenient thing and the type c charging which is seriously fast, screen is ok but not something worth upgrading if you already own the 2015 one. Just get a better 4k monitor from Dell or LG and it should set you up nicely if color quality really matters to you :)
..I love my 2013 ...the keyboard...love it..my 2008 Late ALU 13" MacBook as well...older but still love them, I think my main issue with the newer keyboards isn't so much their "travel" but their size, i feel like I am over stretching my fingers while I try to type on it
I think you should compare prices as well
The flaws of 16 inch: I/O, Touchbar, and hardware upgrade ability.
Cool bro ! I am french, do you know if the 2019 in 15 Inch has the same performance? I prefer 15 than 16
I bought, and returned, a 2018 mbp. I found the "True Tone" display suffered from the same overly yellow effect that some Thunderbolt displays exhibited. the 2015 laptops have much more accurate colour. This reviewer isn't a designer. I kept my 2015 MBP.
You can switch off True Tone and calibrate the display. That's what I did.
Would a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inch in barely used condition be a good buy for $350?
Great video as always...I started my RUclips channel using a mid 2012 MacBook pro as my editing computer even though it doesn't perform so well... Hoping to upgrade to a better model as the channel grows.
** clanks on keyboard **
"But the keyboard *does* seem kind of loud"
9:52
The phraise "Apples to apples" is very apt here
I know I’m a month late but this video is exactly what I’ve been waiting and searching for!
I need to unsubscribe to subscribe again cause this channel is LIFE when it comes to this stuff!
Why don't you recommend upgrading to the 2.4GHz processor on the 16 inch?
Performance barely goes up. Not worth $200
@@MaxTechOfficial Have you done a comparison? I heard otherwise in another channel. Would love to see your take on this
ruclips.net/video/682V63mdjYE/видео.html
Here's a video from Snazzy Labs with the 2019 2.4GHz 8-core 15" MBP.
His 2.4 15" model scored 3231 in Cinebench R20
Our 2.3 15" model scored 3183
That's about 1% faster performance for $200 more. The results should stay around the same for the 16", and even if it goes up to 3% faster, it's still not worth $200.
Great, just a great review. Thanks
This is actually a practical comparison, thanks!
7:39 bro if you’ve ever used studio monitors you wouldn’t say that 😂😂😂 I’m sure they’re good for laptop speakers though...
Philip Zilfo yeah! No music producer would ever say that. That's
"BROOO IF YOU'VE USED 288hz 16k 75" MONITOR YOU WOOOULDN'T SAAAAY THATTT.. I'M SURE THEY'RE GOOD FOR LAPTOP SCREEN THOUUGHHH"
I have the 2015 model and in thinking of getting the 16"... Especially with the current back to school sale (they give airpods)
I did the upgrade. So happy! Thank you!
Awesome video guys! Keep up the good work!👍What is the name of the song?🧐
Thanks! Where we started by Lost Sky (Royalty Free)
Max Tech Thanks 🙏
Just ordered a full spec 16’
Coming from a full specs mid 2015
Im waiting like a kid 😅
S2keyz So you spent 6k on a laptop?
Just got it today
Yes
(Got a company it’s a part of my work)
@@S2keyz Damn 6k could be spent on so much more than a laptop but ok.
@@winnermatt1180 I totally agree it is painful but at the same time it is his money he can spent it on hwta ever he wants to
@@winnermatt1180 As he said, it's for his company. In germany for example, you could get back the half of the price by your tax return, when you need that device for your company. So it's not a big deal, it's just normal operational expenditure.
Added an SSD and 8gb ram to MacBook pro 2011 i7, couldn't be happier, instead of buying a new one.
obviously with adding the new thermal paste. but can't update that software higher than El Capitan unfortunately because it will randomly power off by its own.
The 16" whites are far too eye-straining yellow. Here's how I corrected. System Prefs/ Displays... generate a custom colour profile and change from default 6500 colour temp to 7500. Save and then re-select to activate. Still too much yellow? ALSO try this... Access System Prefs / Accessibility... then navigate to Display. Enable colour filters and select type: Colour Tint. Apply Apple "blue" from the middle colour chart. Close up. While you're still in Accessibility, you will see the blue tint is selected. Make sure it's set at its lowest tinting value. This will take that headache inducing edge off your whites and provide a more neutral overall visual experience.
Will you do a video editing comparison between the new MacBook Pro 16 with the MSI Creator or another Windows laptop with a high end GPU. The XPS 15 is nice, but there are so many more powerful options that are still cheaper than a MacBook Pro 16.
That exact video is already uploaded and ready to go on the Max Yuryev channel. Just waiting on sponsorship approval. -Vadim
@@MaxTechOfficial Great!
Max Tech Do you know if this video will be released this week?