Ordered a 15 inch 2019 2 days before the announcement, when the 16 inch got announced I drove like I was in a Fast & Furious movie to the apple store and luckily got the order changed without hassle
@A random Human being Innovation is pretty dead nowadays for mobile phones and laptops, it's just improvements at this point and nice to see that's what Apple is now focused on.
There's no way Jony Ive didn't have a hand in the 16" MBP considering he's only left relatively recently. This may have been the cause of a disagreement that pushed him to leave though.
The keyboard is coming to the 13/14". But I really want to see a reduce in bezels...like really Apple. A dgpu is certainly interesting, though I'm not expecting it.
Rumor is Apple will not just upgrade the keyboard for 13”-14” MBP in 2020. Will probably upgrade lo MBP in 2021-2022 with 2018 Ice Lake Intel mobile CPU!
@@vishalbharadwaj570 True, but people would've been in a rage over them switching over to USB-C even if this was the MBP that was released a few years ago. Now tho everyone's used to the current layout so a lot of the bad mojo they had from before has dissipated.
This is just a gripe but I want to remind everyone that the tower mac pro from 2006 started at $2500, not $6000. They didn't "just make it big again," they made it that much more unobtainable. I don't know why people are letting this slide.
Oh my goodness! This video is so good :) You are doing a great job of reviewing. I love the fact that you called this keyboard “the new scissors mechanism”, because it has nothing to do with the old mushy keys. Thank you!
Me in 2018: okay, my 2012 mbp is on deaths door. I’m just gonna assume they’re not gonna fix this and deal with a 2018. Me in 2019: definitely not crying.
Lol sorry to hear that. I also have my mid-2012, still in perfect condition. Replaced the battery last year and gambled on waiting another year. Not sure if that makes you feel better ;)
haysoos123 Hey! I’ve been meaning to replace the battery of my 15” mbp 2013, is it worth the replacement? Do you get better battery life? I probably will wait for the 14” mbp hopefully sometime next year to upgrade.
@@tanmayjeevan I replaced the battery on my mid-2014 mbp 15" and it's been running smooth ever since. It's definitely something I'd recommend to do if you plan on keeping your mbp for a while.
A 13/14-inch variant of this would be what I was looking for. I'm still running my old 2011 MBP (I did throw in some extra RAM in there which has helped it somewhat) and, besides the touchbar, this seems to be the closest successor to that age of MBP I've seen in a while.
I love the Touch Bar and it's very useful if you take the time to retrain yourself. Most people don't use most features so I'm not surprised a majority of people aren't motivated to break old habits to learn the usefulness of Touch Bar verses control keys.
Thanks to the Verge team for such a good review video. I especially appreciate the binaural sound comparisons. Despite their limited utility, it's simply the best a video can do to simulate the experience of hearing it in person.
The best 16 inch Macbook Pro review ever and I watched a lot of it. It's not too short or long. It's simple but it covers everything. Excellent job guys!
I bought it and returned within 14 days. MacBook Pro 16 has some serious heating issues. The FAN turns itself on even if you are browsing the web and doing nothing. The microphone static sound is too loud.
If the redesign sells like hotcakes (which I'm assuming it will) then they'll probably give the 13" the same treatment. (Adding better thermals, the better keyboard, and extra inch on the screen, etc.)
@@davemustaine7504 I would say my personal favourite Dieter videos from recent memory are the iPad OS review where he talks "linguistics and semantics" for quite a while and the Apple Watch Series 4 review from last year, where he literally falls down to test the fall detection feature... Quite hilarious, eh?
Most of these reviewers never really pointed out the faults in the first place. Some of them even dismissing them. Now they talk about apple finally fixing the issues after "after all these years". How ironic. Y'all should realize whats really happening with all these tech reviewers. This is not specific to the verge.
Some people are reporting an issue with the 16”MacBook Pro. The speakers make a “popping” sound when they stop playing audio (watching a RUclips video or editing in Final Cut Pro). Any thoughts on this? Have you experienced the same problem? By the way, great video. Thank you
I really like the 16" model!!! I am just a bit sad that they didn't manage to keep the old form factor. I mean, the display is just 0.6" bigger and they still had to increase the size of the laptop. So did the bezels even shrink?
Great review, thank you! I intend to upgrade from my 2015 MBP 13 inch. Looking forward to the larger screen, faster processor and those new speakers you like so much.
I’ve been waiting to upgrade my late 2011 MacBook Pro but I’m hesitating now because of the lack of faceID / better webcam which I’m betting will come next. I also think a 14” version might be better if they can still put dedicated graphics in it.
Dave Mustaine Well based on the specs its has and the prices its been sold for on Ebay Im thinking $1250 with shipping included if its not local pick up
I've just upgraded from a 2015 13inch Macbook pro to this. I could have easily done with the new 2020 13 inch MBP but I just wanted a bigger computer. I love Macbooks!
Had a MacBook Pro 15in for about 3 weeks, returned it for a full refund and just got the 16in MacBook Pro. Both were the 8-core model. The keyboard is a definite improvement, the speakers are good (I would say anything about 3/4 volume and there's auto-EQ occurring with the base), my Blue mic is still better, no accidental Escape key tapping, battery seems good so far (3/4 brightness) - today is first day I went to the office without my charger so let's see how well it does (timer's on). Apple goes from "Think Different" to "Do Obvious Things" in 2019. It only makes sense they bring this keyboard tweak to the other MacBook models. I also run Bootcamp, so far so good, and seems to run a tad quieter with the fans. I was having big issues with charging under load on the Windows side - need to re-test that with this model. OK that's my 2 cents!
Still rocking my 2008 aluminum unibody MacBook because it still works well for what I need it to do. I’ve maxed out the ram and changed the battery a few times though.
Since using it with an external display also charges this MacBook, won't it gradually destroy the battery if you leave it constantly connected to a monitor/setup?
After having a 2012 MacBook Air 13" & a 27" IMac Desktop that's been a real pain to use, so slow and the screen brightness had gone in the bottom right hand corner, which can be fixed but isn't easy. So for a great price of 1535 Euros I decided to ditch the IMac and 13" MacBook Air and go for the 16" MacBook Pro now that I'm retired and more static in my movements after Euro travel for 35 years, I was a little sceptical having seen the newer Pro's with the latest M1 processors, however watching this great review (many thanks) I am very pleased with my decision with what my needs now are, big enough as a Desktop and good enough to travel with even if a little heavy!
Hey, everyone is talking about all the issues the MacBook has managed to solved. I would really like to know your views using this MacBook with the external monitors because there have been threads going on since a long time about how just connecting an external display leads to heating and FAN noise for the MacBook Pro and the graphics card pulls in very high watt even without performing any intensive tasks.
had mine for a week and pretty stoked...Faster than my 5k iMac that we use to edit 8k RED footage...Slightly faster. but still. Plus whoever the dude is that came up with the bettertouch bar app is my hero.
Well, darn! I purchased the 15" at the end of last year because my my 13" 2010 MacBook Pro could not keep up with my photo processing. Fortunately, I've had no complaints about the 15", and here's hoping!
I have a late 2013 13" Macbook pro with the scissor keys and refused to buy one with butterfly keys so yeah I'm considering getting a new one. I do like the magnetized charger though.
What I like most about this is that when you spec up the 15 inch to about the same level of ram, internal memory, and the closest i7 processor (except in the 16 inch you get ddr4 ram, a 6 core processor, the bigger battery, bigger screen, better keyboard, better speakers and mic, and a substantially better gpu), the base 16 inch is still cheaper than a more spec'd out 15 inch and better in every way. It's still very expensive, but far more reasonable than Apple's other laptops relative to the hardware. So ya, good job apple at actually making a substantial improvement over last year's product at a (semi) reasonable price.
the weird thing is since the entire butterfly keyboard thing, the only thing that had be locked into the Apple eco-system was my iPad .. which is why I got another iPhone .. and this is why I am not waiting for the 13” mbp update.
I am still using a MacBook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2012; (2.9 GHz intel Core i7; 16GB RAM 1600 MHz DDR3; 1TB Solid State SSH; intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB ). Give me a reason to update.
Have you been waiting to buy a MacBook Pro?
Of course, Nope
No.
Nah.
Yes
No
9:08
"If 2020 is anything like 2019"
Oh, boy
Dieter Bohn - By far the best guy on The Verge.
SherCrox I couldn’t agree more! 👌
He's the last normal white dude. Tick tick tick...
There was never a discussion. His pedigree is PreCentral.
If he left the verge, I would happily forget about the verge.
Dieter and Becca, my favorite people on The Verge by far.
We bought a 15" a couple weeks before the 16" was announced and thankfully Apple let us return it and buy the 16" model. HUGE improvements!
Damn, I would be salty AF had I bought a MBP in summer 2019.
😞
Ordered a 15 inch 2019 2 days before the announcement, when the 16 inch got announced I drove like I was in a Fast & Furious movie to the apple store and luckily got the order changed without hassle
Yeaaaa, but 4 months from now the prices will be down... I’ll get one around then
Hey
@@Pingwinho Meh you should have waited. This has been rumored for a while
Damn 2019 was big for Apple
Wonder what you would be saying next year.
I appreciate that Apple finally listens to customers’ complain and admits that they were wrong
@@LionsinofStraight IKR?!! I really love what they done for Airpod pro.
definitely...still not the most innovating, but seriously Apple done a lots of things right this year, for (almost) every products they have
@A random Human being Innovation is pretty dead nowadays for mobile phones and laptops, it's just improvements at this point and nice to see that's what Apple is now focused on.
2019 is the year we see why Jony Ive left Apple. He was prioritising form over functionality. But now, glad to see Apple fixing their issues.
how do you explain the $1k monitor stand though
@@TheHumble0ne that is also in jony ive era
There's no way Jony Ive didn't have a hand in the 16" MBP considering he's only left relatively recently. This may have been the cause of a disagreement that pushed him to leave though.
Bruce Welling Compare that to 1080p Sony referrence monitors and you’ll know why it worth the money
@@EscapeVelocity11186 Apparently he unofficially left a while back, but it wasn't announced until recently.
I'd love to see a 14 inch pro with a GPU, new keyboard, & the same speakers & microphones
The keyboard is coming to the 13/14". But I really want to see a reduce in bezels...like really Apple. A dgpu is certainly interesting, though I'm not expecting it.
With a better HD camera too no?
Waiting for this one to replace my 2017 15" Macbook Pro.
I don't need a GPU and other stuff. Just give me a reliable keyboard with the f**ng esc key!
Rumor is Apple will not just upgrade the keyboard for 13”-14” MBP in 2020. Will probably upgrade lo MBP in 2021-2022 with 2018 Ice Lake Intel mobile CPU!
Thx for the shout dude 💪🏼
"It has a satisfying and fairly quiet... thunk."
*Slams finger into keyboard*
😂😂
The whole intro boils down to just saying “Apple FINALLY listened! Wow!” lmao
Microsoft has been listening and there Surface keyboards have always been reliable.
Not it all about production line for them...
Jony Ive leaves and products finally get better 🤔🤔🤔
He prioritizes design, which costed them good and working devices.
Don Gemus but still the new MacBook Pro have the same design only thicker
Victor Hage btw it’s not bad the design it’s looks very clean
These products were being designed for the last couple of years. It's not like they came up with them right as he's leaving the building.
Soo What MacBooks will bever have oled. It ll have mini led in 2020
With this MBP I will finally upgrade from my mid 2012. And I can do it with a very peaceful mind.
The MacBook Pro 16"... The. MacBook we should have released 3 years ago. Lol
My thoughts exactly ..
@@vishalbharadwaj570 True, but people would've been in a rage over them switching over to USB-C even if this was the MBP that was released a few years ago. Now tho everyone's used to the current layout so a lot of the bad mojo they had from before has dissipated.
that why they made it....
8 to 10
A huge F for those who bought their MacBook Pro this Summer 😂
This is just a gripe but I want to remind everyone that the tower mac pro from 2006 started at $2500, not $6000. They didn't "just make it big again," they made it that much more unobtainable. I don't know why people are letting this slide.
Oh my goodness! This video is so good :) You are doing a great job of reviewing. I love the fact that you called this keyboard “the new scissors mechanism”, because it has nothing to do with the old mushy keys.
Thank you!
Me in 2018: okay, my 2012 mbp is on deaths door. I’m just gonna assume they’re not gonna fix this and deal with a 2018.
Me in 2019: definitely not crying.
Lol sorry to hear that. I also have my mid-2012, still in perfect condition. Replaced the battery last year and gambled on waiting another year. Not sure if that makes you feel better ;)
haysoos123 Hey! I’ve been meaning to replace the battery of my 15” mbp 2013, is it worth the replacement? Do you get better battery life?
I probably will wait for the 14” mbp hopefully sometime next year to upgrade.
@@tanmayjeevan I replaced the battery on my mid-2014 mbp 15" and it's been running smooth ever since. It's definitely something I'd recommend to do if you plan on keeping your mbp for a while.
pressing F to pay respects
Felipe Ventura I tried that but the f key is stuck
I have been waiting for this one to finally upgrade my trusty mid-2012 MBP. So stoked!
Haha, I have a mid-2012 also, heavily upgraded (when you could) it's a freakin beast!
A 13/14-inch variant of this would be what I was looking for. I'm still running my old 2011 MBP (I did throw in some extra RAM in there which has helped it somewhat) and, besides the touchbar, this seems to be the closest successor to that age of MBP I've seen in a while.
listening to this on my new 16" definitely dont need a headphone to know the difference.
Quick question would u say it’s to big for travel. I’m a student I feel like the 13” is to small but I’m sacred the 16” might be to big.
The Touch Bar is a great feature for the MacBook Pro!
now imagine Apple releasing Airpower next month. everyone would lose their mind lol
MacBook Pro: The product that should be announced in The September event😔
LOVE IT! I'm getting one ASAP!👍
I love the Touch Bar and it's very useful if you take the time to retrain yourself. Most people don't use most features so I'm not surprised a majority of people aren't motivated to break old habits to learn the usefulness of Touch Bar verses control keys.
I've been waiting for the scissor style keyboard. I am super happy with how this unit turned out cant wait to get one
I happen to love the touchbar. 🖤
I would like to say that I love the Touch Bar, the contextual shortcuts are awesome!
Thanks to the Verge team for such a good review video. I especially appreciate the binaural sound comparisons. Despite their limited utility, it's simply the best a video can do to simulate the experience of hearing it in person.
I bought the 15 inch a week ago and returned it. Got the 16 inch 32GB RAM 2 TB SSD and 8GB GPU. The best laptop I ever owned. Keyboard is immaculate
The best 16 inch Macbook Pro review ever and I watched a lot of it. It's not too short or long. It's simple but it covers everything. Excellent job guys!
watching this on the MacBook pro so i don't need headphones for the binaural sound to work lol
I bought it and returned within 14 days. MacBook Pro 16 has some serious heating issues. The FAN turns itself on even if you are browsing the web and doing nothing. The microphone static sound is too loud.
“ it’s not going anywhere “ aged like milk
that expires in 3 days in the fridge hehe
this is going to be my christmas present to myself 😂
The guitarist, I was expecting that he would start singing ‘macadaynoo’
Coming from a 13” 2013 MacBook Pro, this will definitely be the upgrade!
Kinan Jarjous sane here just upgraded to this from the MacBook 13” 2013.
hope they do this for a 13" MBP asap
me too! and I hope it will be a 14" MBP
@@apanage880 I twill be the 14" , basically the lineup will be Air, 14 and 16
Sumit Kumar yes
If the redesign sells like hotcakes (which I'm assuming it will) then they'll probably give the 13" the same treatment. (Adding better thermals, the better keyboard, and extra inch on the screen, etc.)
Yes! With the increased storage too.
Love your reviews, they keep getting better. You’ve quickly become one of the best reviewers on RUclips, keep it up!
we want a version without touch bar
I love how all apple products becomes so practical right after Jony Ive left.
Love the commitment to properly demoing the audio. But, the intro to the binaural section creeped me out.
I Just bought it last night. My first MacBook. I was never a MacBook person until this one came out. Love it so far.
I've been waiting for this! Now, I'm only waiting for the money to come 😭
Still waiting for Apple to make their own BANGER ARM chip for the Mac
5:36 did you really not uncap the fps? turn off vsync if you're going to benchmark fps for god's sake
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen, just incredible man!
Best videos... Like ever?!? I mean it's a pretty good review but not that good!!
@@davemustaine7504 I would say my personal favourite Dieter videos from recent memory are the iPad OS review where he talks "linguistics and semantics" for quite a while and the Apple Watch Series 4 review from last year, where he literally falls down to test the fall detection feature... Quite hilarious, eh?
I sense some sarcasm 🤦♂️
@@huggyuk 😂
The intro sums up apple for 2019
Phill: How does that sound? How does that Sound?
Bohn: They are not quite studio quality.
They aren't, but they are the best laptop mics so far.
@GhostFZ 62 Which Dell has a triple mic setup that sound like that?
Even entry level macbook pro has the best speaker quality than dell xps new series. What’s your stat bro!!!
there so many laptop in the market...
campkira which laptop? Specify and mention the name please, will you?
Most of these reviewers never really pointed out the faults in the first place. Some of them even dismissing them. Now they talk about apple finally fixing the issues after "after all these years". How ironic. Y'all should realize whats really happening with all these tech reviewers. This is not specific to the verge.
Some people are reporting an issue with the 16”MacBook Pro.
The speakers make a “popping” sound when they stop playing audio (watching a RUclips video or editing in Final Cut Pro).
Any thoughts on this? Have you experienced the same problem?
By the way, great video. Thank you
OKAY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I WANT AN APPLE PRODUCT!! I REALLY DO!!
I really like the 16" model!!! I am just a bit sad that they didn't manage to keep the old form factor. I mean, the display is just 0.6" bigger and they still had to increase the size of the laptop. So did the bezels even shrink?
Great review, thank you! I intend to upgrade from my 2015 MBP 13 inch. Looking forward to the larger screen, faster processor and those new speakers you like so much.
I’ve been waiting to upgrade my late 2011 MacBook Pro but I’m hesitating now because of the lack of faceID / better webcam which I’m betting will come next.
I also think a 14” version might be better if they can still put dedicated graphics in it.
7:35 no matter how i turn my iphone its stereo Speakers just dont sync according to the video.
I still got my Mac book 15 with Retina display mid 2012 got me through two degrees. And still running strong. Just need a new battery now.
Mine just arrived today. So far I am very pleased. The keyboard is worlds better, and what's not to like about additional screen real estate?
Can't wait to replace my 2012 MacBook Pro with this.
I tried the keyboard at the Apple store. It’s an improvement but the thinkpad keyboard is still the best.
« But if 2020 is anything like 2019....I’m optimistic” lmao 😂
The Surface mic was very good.
This is an excellent review. I've been debating on getting this one. These are the types of reviews I look for. Thank you.
The inverted T arrow keys, is a step back. The previous layout was more uniformed and just made sense.
If they made this exact model with the new M2... I love the touch bar🤩
Time for me to sell my Late 2015 5k iMac to buy this Macbook Pro. Finally!!
How much you reckon you'll get for that?
Dave Mustaine Well based on the specs its has and the prices its been sold for on Ebay Im thinking $1250 with shipping included if its not local pick up
I've just upgraded from a 2015 13inch Macbook pro to this. I could have easily done with the new 2020 13 inch MBP but I just wanted a bigger computer. I love Macbooks!
Had a MacBook Pro 15in for about 3 weeks, returned it for a full refund and just got the 16in MacBook Pro. Both were the 8-core model. The keyboard is a definite improvement, the speakers are good (I would say anything about 3/4 volume and there's auto-EQ occurring with the base), my Blue mic is still better, no accidental Escape key tapping, battery seems good so far (3/4 brightness) - today is first day I went to the office without my charger so let's see how well it does (timer's on). Apple goes from "Think Different" to "Do Obvious Things" in 2019. It only makes sense they bring this keyboard tweak to the other MacBook models. I also run Bootcamp, so far so good, and seems to run a tad quieter with the fans. I was having big issues with charging under load on the Windows side - need to re-test that with this model. OK that's my 2 cents!
If they brings these upgrades to the 13" I can FINALLY upgrade my 2015 MacBook air. YES, I've been holding out.
Still rocking my 2008 aluminum unibody MacBook because it still works well for what I need it to do. I’ve maxed out the ram and changed the battery a few times though.
Since using it with an external display also charges this MacBook, won't it gradually destroy the battery if you leave it constantly connected to a monitor/setup?
Sounds nice. Why is it that no one mentions the camera on Macbook Pros?
After having a 2012 MacBook Air 13" & a 27" IMac Desktop that's been a real pain to use, so slow and the screen brightness had gone in the bottom right hand corner, which can be fixed but isn't easy. So for a great price of 1535 Euros I decided to ditch the IMac and 13" MacBook Air and go for the 16" MacBook Pro now that I'm retired and more static in my movements after Euro travel for 35 years, I was a little sceptical having seen the newer Pro's with the latest M1 processors, however watching this great review (many thanks) I am very pleased with my decision with what my needs now are, big enough as a Desktop and good enough to travel with even if a little heavy!
"If 2020 is anything like 2019..." Lol.
To think I just bought a 15" in July...at least I have gotten used to and now like the butterfly keyboard
i love that you felt strongly enough about the speaker quality that you brought out the binaural mics, great review! convinced me to buy one
I’m waiting for 10th gen intel processors which would improve performance and thermals. It will also increase battery life.
Hey, everyone is talking about all the issues the MacBook has managed to solved. I would really like to know your views using this MacBook with the external monitors because there have been threads going on since a long time about how just connecting an external display leads to heating and FAN noise for the MacBook Pro and the graphics card pulls in very high watt even without performing any intensive tasks.
and now after wwdc I'm still waiting for the ARM models..is anyone knows when apple introducing the first 16 inch MacBook pro with ARM chipset ??
I loooove the touch bar. I use it a lot during presentations to quickly skip through slides.
Has "MacOS Catalina Has Major Problems On MacBook Pro" fixed yet due to new Music app instead of iTunes for many dj apps and dj controllers?
had mine for a week and pretty stoked...Faster than my 5k iMac that we use to edit 8k RED footage...Slightly faster. but still. Plus whoever the dude is that came up with the bettertouch bar app is my hero.
I actually like the Touch Bar. Got used to it and missed it when I use another keyboard.
Can anyone tell me if it’s more worth to get a 15’ 2018 entry level MacBook Pro or the new 2020 entry level 13’ MacBook Pro when it comes out?
This review was the most complete so far. Thank you!
Straight on point. Love ur review. No nonsense or overakting lije others. Keep it up man
So no one talks about the Mid 2019 Macbook even in comparison that I bought just a couple months ago or so.
It's old and busted.
Well, darn! I purchased the 15" at the end of last year because my my 13" 2010 MacBook Pro could not keep up with my photo processing. Fortunately, I've had no complaints about the 15", and here's hoping!
Man, I just wish it brought back the SD card slot.
"touch bar isn't going anywhere" - hello from 2022 and m1 pro
But are the usb c ports still as loose as the older models? That’s honestly my biggest problem with the old design?
Luke Bell I think it’s been fixed. I got the new 13” baseline model and the ports are tight. I sometimes need two hands to unplug it haha
I have a late 2013 13" Macbook pro with the scissor keys and refused to buy one with butterfly keys so yeah I'm considering getting a new one. I do like the magnetized charger though.
If 2020 is anything like 2019...we had no idea what was coming...
What I like most about this is that when you spec up the 15 inch to about the same level of ram, internal memory, and the closest i7 processor (except in the 16 inch you get ddr4 ram, a 6 core processor, the bigger battery, bigger screen, better keyboard, better speakers and mic, and a substantially better gpu), the base 16 inch is still cheaper than a more spec'd out 15 inch and better in every way.
It's still very expensive, but far more reasonable than Apple's other laptops relative to the hardware.
So ya, good job apple at actually making a substantial improvement over last year's product at a (semi) reasonable price.
I always surprised how The verge Community represents each and every product and news on youtube. higher in quality and details in information.
Wow Dieter is killing these reviews right now! The reason why I love this channel.
Wow, the new MacBook speakers sound quite a lot more clear and well balanced than the UE Wonderboom. And that binaural audio! So cool!
the weird thing is since the entire butterfly keyboard thing, the only thing that had be locked into the Apple eco-system was my iPad .. which is why I got another iPhone .. and this is why I am not waiting for the 13” mbp update.
I am still using a MacBook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2012; (2.9 GHz intel Core i7; 16GB RAM 1600 MHz DDR3; 1TB Solid State SSH; intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB ). Give me a reason to update.