Worst locked up engine ever!! With Mustie1!! Will It Run?
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- Опубликовано: 7 янв 2023
- Mustie1 and I tear down this 1966 Ford falcons engine and Find a big surprise! Worst engine both mustie1 and I have ever seen. Will it run??
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You know you're "Wrenchin' With Mustie" when your tool kit includes a fencepost and a sledgehammer! I'm a little proud of myself for finding where he was spending his time, and that it was well-spent helping a friend!
Don’t forget the Hose Cutters!!!!
What are you talking about?
I think the film you guys were referring to is Flight of the phoenix. made in 1965 with James Stewart. It was remade in the early 2000's but I've not seen that version.
Good Film !
You're correct! Now I need to watch it again!! Thanks for watching
Yep... original was good... the remake, not so much.
@@peregrine1970 Isn't that always the way (with a very few exceptions).
You are correct about the movie. It had Dennis Quaid and Hugh Laurie (House) in it. Remake was in 2004. Not a bad remake.
Flight of the Phoenix
Yes that’s the one!! Thank you!
Good film.
They crashed in the desert and a model designer came up with the phoenix from parts of the aircraft 😁
@@tinybrown6710 correct
Both the Original and the remake are great Films.
As a regular "Mustieite" I missed his usual weekend posting this week. When this popped up, bingo, I'm in. Love the rapport between you two and the banter adds to the fun. One things for sure Mustie1 never quits so stuck or not he was not going to be beaten. Thanks for posting
need a bigger hammer
Except this is a year old.
I was surprised to see you didn't remove the starter before removing the head. I bought a 1979 Mercury Zephyr with a 2.3L engine for $50.00 that I was told the engine was seized. I removed the starter and the Bendix was stuck into the flywheel. I installed shims on the starter and the car was in perfect condition.
Yeah, I thinking it's not the Bendix that is stuck!
I love the old straight six's. The heads come off easier than changing the oil in some modern cars.
From the looks of the inside of that engine I'm not sure the oil was ever changed.
I had a similar situation in a old cars valve train of goop built up all over and in-between the rockers. Later found out there previous owner only used Quaker State oil and didn't change it when required. The build up was paraffin. Thats what Quaker State used to put in their oil.
Quaker State was always great if you kept up on oil changes. Been using it since about 1970. It was one of the few low Sulphur oils back in the day.
It’s fun watching two smart guys team up on a challenging project. The Falcon shall live again! Just not in this video. 😢
And not with that powerplant. She DONE
This reminds me of my first car. A 1963 Ford Falcon Sprint, with an over cammed 260 V8, a Holly 500 2bbl, a 4 speed Warner T-10 tranny with Hurst Shifter. I loved that car. I bought it in about 1970 and had it for about 15 years, had a family, had to sell it.
My Mom had a brand new 1960 Ford Falcon Wagon with a 144 in-line 6. That car ended up with over 120K before the engine was rebuilt. She swore by Alimite brand oil.
I'm the guy that drove that car into Frazer's Pond 45 years ago. I would've torn the engine down to get the water out of it, but sitting in jail for 90 days put the kibosh on *that* plan.
A good backstory adds to the drama 😎
Been waiting for another video from you. Absolutely love your channel. First time ever seen you on RUclips was with your buddy musty you two working together is hilarious always a lot of fun entertaining and you get whatever you two are working on going. As always thanks for all the hard work you put in the videos for us it is greatly appreciated
Ya it’s been a while. Life has been very busy. Things have slowed down a bit so I should be able to do at least one a week. Thanks so much for your support. Happy New Year!
I watched a video of some guys that pulled a speed boat out of lake mead that had been under water since the 80's/90's and they got the engine to run some what. But that engine there looks like it was a boat anchor for several decades. Gotta wonder what happened.
Great vid! I know the feeling of being 'elbow deep' inside an engine one never should have touched... good luck with that project!
Well done guys! I think that the Farmer who put it in the Garage decided to put extra coolant in the rad, but the head gasket was leaking and he kept putting water and coolant in it because he couldn't see the leak and ended up filling the block with water/coolant and then over the decades that it was sitting the coolant/water leaked out through the oil leaks that FORD always seems to have. Plus you also have to consider that the Falcon was a cheap car from the FORD line anyways so it was likely already predisposed to failure at some point, but the possibility of a filling of water inside the block would have rusted the engine components into one amalgous piece of solid rust. I have never seen a maintained engine look so badly in my life, and that is saying something.
I've worked on a bunch of six bangers like that and I've never seen one that nasty. WOW
Being from the UK Mustie1 updates come in just before Sunday Lunchtime. I like to clean up the Shop in the morning and wait until I have settled down with a Beer early afternoon to enjoy his Episodes. Great to see him appearing in other RUclips Creators Uploads! 🙏
I'm glad YT suggested this for me. I remember you from that flooded out Porche and maybe some other Mustie stuff. Glad you posted this. Man that was bad. Great old car and should be relatively easy to make it a driver again.
My guess is the owner never changed the oil. Detergent oils from the ‘70s were terrible at collecting carbon if you didn’t change frequently. I’ve seen heads caked worse than this one, and the engine was brought back to life. Good luck on the resto!
I think oil would have helped but it’s was pure rust inside! Nothing like I ever seen before. Thanks for watching
Someone sabotage the engine by pouring a quart of oil in it maybe? Or blown head gasket that leaked engine coolant into the oil somehow?
I am so glad you're back.
Thanks!!
I have some wonderful memories from the back of a Ford Falcon wagon just like that one.
Those were rare, weren't they? I don't recall seeing many mid to late 60s Falcon wagons.
wink, wink
What a great video thank you for posting it and it's good to see musty working with other people and the two of you together reminds me of Laurel and Hardy
Perfect candidate for a 390 or 428 FE, and starting in 66, it will fit, use Fairlane parts. Make one hell of a sleeper.
I learned to drive on a '67 Falcon (not a station wagon). 200 inline 6. My advise is to pay a junk yard to take it away. Pay him anything he wants! :)
Folks - what happened at 13:45? Video got switched around to a mirror image of the engine bay - carb & cylinder head went from left to right, goes back to normal at 14:27!
Great video guys. Great to see Mustie1 moonlighting.
I'm liking the collaboration videos the guys are putting up these days compared to the solo talking to yourself ones. LOL
Good to see you back. No shortage of discarded straight sixes out there in decent working order... 🇬🇧👍
I have a plan for this..It is a straight 6 but not a ford. stay tuned. Thanks for watching.
@@driveanalog747 Barra swap!
good to see you back on tube awesome👍
Big mustie1 fan here! Subbed just because you are friends! Good stuff
If that rig was in Australia it would be junkyard barra for the win!
Even a 4.0L out of an AU would be an improvement.
This series of engines introduced in 1960 came in 144 , 170 . 200 and 250 CID through the mid 80'S . After that a 4 Cyl version was used in Tempos for a while , the number 3 main bearing is also the thrust bearing and a bit of a weak point . 260 and 289 V8'S were also used in Falcons . These are common engines and easy to find and usually use the Ford-O Matic which is a two speed unit . After 1970 302 with 3 speed autos were used in Mavericks and Mustangs You have lots of choices .
from the factory 144's were black, 170's were red, 200's and 250's were blue but the 250 block is one inch taller and the water pump has 5 bolts instead of four. the four cylinder version was used in tempo/topaz and some taurus/sables.
@@marzsit9833 In Australia we had 221's as well
I have a 250 out of a mavic in my 1965 falcon
Those hideous things were so weakly built that in Australia they had to put large braces from the firewall to the strut towers to stop the whole front from collapsing, which along with all the other dangerous elements and sub standard parts made it a real widow-maker. The way they designed the braces made any maintenance a nightmare, trying to work around a cheap fix.
Just start by removing the motor and cleaning and rebuilding it. It can be saved. No faith for a numbers matching car.
Yes this is an idea. I like the numbers matching part. Thanks so much for watching
1/24/23
This video reminds me of the first engine I helped tear down and get to run, a 1956 Chevy 265, in 1963 or 1964. We took it apart in the car. it was gummed up just about as bad. None of us knew what we were doing, but we got the old thing to run. This engine is junk, but it must have been fun digging into it. ;-)
My parents bought the only 4 door Falcon wagon 3 to tree 170 cid 6. Fire engine red. Kept it driving 27 years before original clutch failed burned a quart of oil Every 500 miles 240,000 miles, $27.00 paid to junk yard to tow away. Island of Guam.U.SA. Teflon bushings in steering no grease fittings no power steering hard over to hard over with one finger when moving.
Check out fab rats yellow submarine series. A boat sank 30+ years ago. No rust inside. Turned over. Pulled heads and oil pan to check it out. Things looked great. Reassembled and it ran.
I daily drive a 66 Falcon that is in about the same shape. Love that car. That little 200 is so easy to work on too.surprisingly, parts are easy to get and cheap. Many Ford cars used the same parts.
My first car was a 1968 Ford Falcon Futura 2 door with bucket seats and three on the tree. 200 6 cylinder engine.
I think thats called "never having an oil change in its life"! Jeeeeze! Todd the retired trucker.
Not nearly as badly locked up as that Marine Engine;) love your videos!
Mustie1 is my favorite youtuber hands down
I hope I'm Your second favorite! Haha Thanks for watching.
Those pushrods looked the same as when l pulled the valve cover on my Ford p/u after using Quaker State oil for a year. Rocker arms were one big mass of goo. Pulled everything off the head and spent the day cleaning up everything. Put everything back together, drained the oil, added new oil plus quart of diesel fuel. Let it idle about 5 minutes. Repeated 3 times before the flushing came out clean. Will never use Quaker State again.
Enjoyed the video, watched Mustie 1 for years!
Cheers
Looks like a Ford 200ci six w/Autolite 1 barrel carb. They're OK as an engine, nothing great, I had a few Mavericks with them. I helped a friend free up a locked Chevy 235ci in a Chevy II by pulling the plugs, spraying Kroil penetrating oil into the cylinders, replaced the plugs & let it sit until the next weekend. Got it loose by both of us using a long breaker bar & just rocking back 'n forth many, many times.... we were fortunate compared to what you had to do with this puppy!
Thanks! Dollar wise it's a bust, But it could be a runner if repaired! So, here in video land, it should be about can do and not about the dollar, Heh? Love to see complete restorations even if they aren't mechanically perfect but usable. Ron🙂
I had a 1970 Ford Falcon Station Wagon, looked identical, 200 6 cyl eng. great car !
You say Mustie1 and Im there. Good to see you two working on something together.
Great to see a new video! That engine is trash but fun to watch the tear down.
Thanks so much for watching
I take all those old bolts out by hand, doing so makes one understand more problems that could be ahead.
That is the worst one I have ever seen! Thanks for tearing it down so we could all see this.
My father had the same engine in his 63 biscayne. The valve cover was leaking and we went to replace the casket. When we pulled it off the is was filled with sludge. We used rags to remove as much sludge as we could. Great engine it ran for years with no problems.
Biscayne is chevy. This is a Ford.
The Biscayne would have had a 230 CID which was new in 1962 as a 190 CID for the then new Chevy 2 compact and replaced the 235 engine used since 1936 in the full size cars a 230 or optional 250 were used and were far better than the old design and were used until 1986 until being replaced by the 4.3 V-6 and were still far better than the lumpy 4.3 which would knock your fillings loose with its constant vibration , it was used until the mid 2000's and even then it was still a rough running engine . [ and its gasket not casket on top of the motor ]
Little Johnny put some Morton’s oil treatment in there for Gwampa
That mess on the rockers and push rods was sludge residue. One of the first jobs I had back in the '60's was cleaning / desludgeing a V8. Detergent oil wasn't yet popularized and engines were very prone to sludge formation especially if they didn't run a hi-temp thermostat and worse if they did short trip driving which contributed to internal engine condensation. Old timers back then would periodically do a kerosene flush before oil changes where we added a qt or so of kerosene and ran the engine 15 - 20 mins before the oil change. Stop laughing; I'm serious. Eventually the engines would lose oil pressure. The upper part of the engine was so sludged the oil galleys clogged preventing the oil from returning to the pan.
The movie was Flight of The Phoenix with Jimmy Stewart in 1965. Also, a remake in 2004 with Dennis Quaid.Fine video. Thank you.
If I were to take a quick guess, I would suggest that the head gasket failed and pumped coolant through the oil system and that's what caused the engine to seize...These engines were known for bad head gaskets...
I thought the 170 was the most common. My dad had a 66 mustang sprint 200. I remember getting parts from the junkyard from ford falcons basically the same car.
Over the years I've seen more than one old ford six die because the oil pump drive shaft snapped. It only takes a minute to pull the distributor to check it.
Have seen this before. Oil caked dirt on bell housing says it all . Bad rocker cover leak /pos rear main/ pos burning also= no change ,just add. Old dart slant 6 he even used drain oil he got for free. That one spun a cam bearing. Since the body was descent he parked it thinking he would get a wreck with good engine and swap . Never did, found this one garage of abandoned farm house . Found worn out slant irrigation pump engine in an estate sale in back of tractor shed. Over 30 years and more sludge turns to that stuff.
Jimmy Stewart - - - The Flight of the Phoenix, GREAT MOVIE. BTW Good Luck Guys! ...Newk from Kentucky
Do I detect the absence of those pesky angle braces like in my 64 falcon?
"Flight Of The Phoenix" with Jimmy Stewart is the movie you were think of.
Looks familiar - my first car was a 1967 Falcon wagon; but that had a 289 V8, a vastly superior engine. Mine had a three speed automatic on the column. Mind you, I had lots of frustrating problems with the carburetor and automatic choke system - but when it decided to start, there was no shortage of power! And so much room in the engine compartment - could almost fit two motors in there.
I had a 68 Falcon two door with the same engine and transmission. I loved that car, it could fly!
Must say what spicked my interest when l saw the thumbnail on this l thought it was an Aussie XT series Falcon released here in 1967. Looks identical to the Aussie Falcon exept the rear quarters & tail lights. The rear section looks likes its off a Fairlane & is longer than the XT series manufactured here. Engines here were the 200, 221 & 302 V8. Got an XW 1970 Falcon myself with the trusty 351cleveland - great aussie cars.
@farnthboy yeah I was gonna say it looks the same as an Aussie XR or XT falcon! Cool!
Shame youse couldn't get it going but this donk is definitely falcon jammed up!
It was The flight of the Phoenix... Mustie1 good to see you getting greasy again!
The film was called flight of the phoenix, 1965 and starred Richard Attenborough and James Stewart among others
Don’t throw that block away. We got guys down here in Australia that chase those
A 50/50 mix of Acetone & ATF works wonders in cylinders & stuck rings.
Flight of the phoenix, James Stewart.
1965's Flight of the Phoenix, starring Jimmy Stewart, is the movie reference you're looking for. 👍
The movie was called flight of the fenix, Thanks for a great video.
Mustie1! Darren for real is the man making motors work!
What series of (Aussie) Ford falcons had the 351 ci engines?
"Flight of the Phoenix." Jimmy Stewart.
Greetings from Australia, was that an Aussie car, or did you have them in the US as well.?
It'd been great if I could have seen the engine bay. The light needed to be pointed at the engine bay, not the standing cam.
Ask Handtool Rescue if you can dunk the whole engine into his barrel of Evaporust 😀
if even mustie can't get it going, it will never go.
Them six bangers was bad about hanging up starters on the flywheel.
Definitely call it ! To bad thought! When properly maintained its a bullet proof engine . Good job! There was no way that engine was running. Nice Falcon. Dont give up on it ! IT could be a yesterdays masterpiece today . It could be used to service another family for the next 125000 miles. Cool car guys !
Please ,please drop the intrusive music! The conversation and the sounds of the tools is all the music we need.
Working on this motor took me back 50yrs though I don't remember the rust. Was it optional extra?
Standard equipment in a Fraud.
@@ctiley2212 Oh yeah just remembered my XA came with rust free of charge as an Easter Egg 😄😄😄😄
How awesome was that to get to work with Mustie1?!? Super cool! Too bad about the old motor.
The sludge you are encountering is from parafin based oils. Engines would get all nasty from these oils and sometimes would set themselves afire inside the sump.
Exactly - that's not so much rust as 40+ year old wax deposits. Neighbor always ran "Sears" brand oil in engines - they would wax up so bad I pulled intake manifolds off and the area below was completely full of wax deposits. Pretty common in the 70's to have to pull intakes and oil pans off to de-sludge them. It was also common to drain the oil and run kerosene or mineral spirits in the crankcase to try to flush them out.
@@willieshaw2522 I saw my Dad put fuel oil from the house furnace tank in his Thunderbird to try to flush out sludge in the early 1970's. He took the valve covers off and had me cleaning all the rockers,springs and stuff with a toothbrush to get sludge out. That 460 ended up getting swapped with a 429.
"Hey guys, hows it goin' "
If ya know, you know. Lol
OMG Mustie gave up. Never thought I'd ever see that. Lol
Had a '67 wagon after high school. Slept in the thing.
In Australia, about 2 to 3 years later ('68 to '69) Ford introduced an 'XT' model Falcon with a choice of 6 cylinder engines; 188 cu. in., and 221 cu. in. (3.6 litres) with identical looking grille and body pressings (station wagon). I wonder of the size of the 'locked up' engine. I understand there was a 300 cu. in. fitted to a base model F100, but don't know if fitted to this car?
The Ford 240/300 six was designated for full size cars and trucks and was in production until 1997 , after being introduced in 1965 . It was only used in full size models for its entire life . And in terms of power and toque was considered the best American inline 6 ever made .
The older engines built so well that even if you never change the oil they still run .
Put a breaker bar back on and put a little tension on it either direction and use a BFH to hit the breaker bar just below the head. Repeat both ways till it moves slightly and then just use Armstrong to finish. Been there done that got the scars on me and my tools to prove it. Never met a stuck engine I had to disassemble. One little flake of rust can hold it. Just need to jar it loose. Pulling on breaker bar will you nowhere.
"Flight of the Phoenix" is the movie you're thinking of.
Engine is, indeed, in a pretty bad shape.
I suppose that the car had an accident ending in a ditch/pool but without damaging the body. Or flooded, maybe? By the time, it wasn't worth the repair and it "ended" somewhere.
Is this block repairable? Maybe. It would need a total dismounting ... honing etc etc ...
Is it worth all the work as I suppose that those 6 cyl are still to find cheapo in the USA??? No. It isn't.
Thanks for this vid! And happy 2023! (to you and Mustie).
Ya don't think its worth the time to rebuild but its and idea. I have a big surprise for an engine.Stay tuned. Thanks for watching!! Happy New Year!
today on mustie1, we drop out the old locked up powerplant in a ford falcon and drop a in a v8!
"I make my livin' on the evening news!" 🎸🎸🎸
The mustie1 hammer. The mustie1 soldering iron. Is a favorite for me... admittedly I haven't seen it for a while it was huge!
The movie you were thinking of is Flight of the Phoenix.
You’re correct! Thank you
Wow amazing it was in a barn and filled with water like that. I'm guessing it was parked with a stuck open valve likely.
Some brake clean and it would be fine! LOL. Nice video of a tear-down.
Flight of the Phoenix with Jimmy Stewart . Yeah I remember that. Too bad about that engine though.
I have a 200 cubic inch 6 cylinder in a running, driving Fairlane that I am changing to a V8. Motor runs and looks great. A 1964 with a later model head. You can have the motor if you want. I am on the eastern shore of Maryland. Let me know if you are interested.
Flight of the Phoenix. They were crashed in the desert and swapped a wing onto a pylon to get back to civilization.