Finding the best Mario Kart 8 Deluxe builds using SCIENCE!!!!

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  • @tanaz_7177
    @tanaz_7177 3 года назад +1530

    The irony of learning about an economic concept as I procrastinate my macroecon class

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +96

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @four-en-tee
      @four-en-tee 3 года назад +76

      You know what they say: learning is easy when its made fun. Applying a given lesson or knowledge to subjects we actually care about helps with learning new information.
      Its why channels like Game Theory are so interesting, regardless of the quality of MatPat's actual theories.

    • @MercuryA2000
      @MercuryA2000 2 года назад +19

      @@four-en-tee I really wish school was better about this. Learning is so fun and cool, but not when its dumbed down to purely theoretical stuff for a grade. Stats would be so much cooler for sports fans if they got to try and determine who the best player of the season was, and I think everyone would have a bit more fun doing an essay where they had to argue a point they actually care about.

    • @moxxieNmils_
      @moxxieNmils_ 2 года назад +3

      I read that as macaroni 🤣🤣

    • @marcotanooky9651
      @marcotanooky9651 Год назад

      Did you pass

  • @RedVelvetUnderground333
    @RedVelvetUnderground333 3 года назад +1030

    When u beat a gang of waluigi it’s so satisfying

    • @Chermth
      @Chermth 3 года назад +122

      Only if you’re not using waluigi

    • @blitzman_83
      @blitzman_83 3 года назад +18

      EXACTLY

    • @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad
      @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad 3 года назад +26

      *gaggle

    • @otherrad1240
      @otherrad1240 3 года назад +109

      Lmao I love how you use “waluigi” as plural like they’re a wild species

    • @davidthecommenter
      @davidthecommenter 2 года назад +47

      here we have a group of wiggler-riding waluigi. watch as our innocent mach-8 yoshi gets brutally 12th placed.

  • @jiffyforthewin5949
    @jiffyforthewin5949 3 года назад +940

    My build is one dot below optimal, but I'd rather feel the satisfaction of beating people online knowing they have a .5% advantage over me rather than be a sellout lol

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +238

      Yeah like I said in the video... gitting gud is way more important than eking out EVERY possible advantage in your build. There's a dude who's arguably one of the best competitive MK players in the world who mains Shy Guy which, on paper, is shit lol

    • @JV-jf8ck
      @JV-jf8ck 3 года назад +64

      @@Bayesic ^ can confirm there is a high division shy guy player, never formally met him but everyone in comp knows who he is.

    • @freddyvasquez3063
      @freddyvasquez3063 3 года назад +4

      im just happy the meme king is good at something

    • @StevenVillman
      @StevenVillman 2 года назад +16

      @@Bayesic Some of us (myself included) don't have a lot of time to grind in _Mario Kart 8_ or _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe_ - especially on the 200cc Grand Prix mode - as we have other commitments/responsibilities, which prevent us from extensively playing _Mario Kart 8_ or _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe,_ and thus want to know what is the best character/vehicle/tires/glider combination out there (or at least the best vehicle/tires/glider combination for any given character for those of us who *_insist_* on using a certain character in-game).

    • @MercuryA2000
      @MercuryA2000 2 года назад +23

      I just put myself in and apparently female villager can literally never be optimal. I don't care though, the idea of bodying people with a cute little pink girl with literally no defined personality besides Happy (narrows it down a lot less when I write that out...) is amusing. I guess if I go tryhard I can switch to Rosa Mr. Scooty to hit the plateau.

  • @jz3yeah
    @jz3yeah 3 года назад +1927

    Great stuff, maybe just to add a further obvious answer to the “why waluigi” as opposed to DK or Roy (same weight class), he provides more track visibility. Waluigi is a skinnier character, so you see more of the track ahead of you when racing, compared to DK and Roys fat asses. Similarly, cloud glider arguably provides more visibility (and certainly less distraction) then the other more colourful alternatives.

    • @professorshyguy5173
      @professorshyguy5173 3 года назад +149

      As someone who used Cloud Glider for too long I ended up switching to Paper Glider cus it's semi transparent. There have been a few situations where something was conveniently blocked by my glider as I land where I shouldn't have.
      You're 100% right about Walu tho

    • @brycehmxn979
      @brycehmxn979 3 года назад +41

      Also in a team comp race since everyone else used waluigi if u use dk or Roy you are easily identified

    • @thomas9816
      @thomas9816 3 года назад +111

      I always thought it was just for the meme

    • @alexc2194
      @alexc2194 3 года назад +50

      Have you ever used the most obstructing build before? To me it was a fun challenge. Its something along the lines of bowser, wiggler or ATV, and ofc the monster tires. Good luck seeing anything when you glide, the bowser glider is a good choice for covering the screen, but maybe there are better options.

    • @_D_S_
      @_D_S_ 3 года назад +2

      Ah smart!

  • @Fuzunga
    @Fuzunga 2 года назад +569

    I learned long ago that the most important stat in Mario Kart is acceleration. Doesn't matter how fast you are because you're going to get hit with 100 items a lap and you need to recover as quickly as possible. Bonus that the stat now increases your boost from drifting.

    • @Awesomizer83
      @Awesomizer83 2 года назад +2

      speed increases ur boost from drifitng, not acceleration, but yea acceleration was always the best

    • @lkmdude8094
      @lkmdude8094 2 года назад +48

      Maybe in Mario kart 8 acceleration is the best stat, but that has not been the case for all Mario kart games, especially DS and Wii. In the former it was mini turbo duration and in the latter it's speed.

    • @SentinelHirsc
      @SentinelHirsc 2 года назад +6

      @@lkmdude8094 7 and Double Dash were speed, too, with handling/off-road being fairly important in 7 too if memory serves

    • @theNimboo
      @theNimboo 2 года назад +2

      Ya same, I knew this way before watching this video just from experience. Pretty much everything he talked about we already knew intuitively just from playing. I have over 200 hours in the Switch Mario Kart, and another 300 in my 3ds version, so you kind of "feel" these things with experience and experimentation.

    • @OneMindReezy
      @OneMindReezy 2 года назад +5

      @@Awesomizer83 wrong, acceleration increases mini turbo (hidden stat) which is why biddybuggy has the highest mini turbo and acceleration stat

  • @A_G_Benson
    @A_G_Benson 2 года назад +177

    I have a PhD in economics. I applaud you for your explanation of Pareto optimality. It is clear and flawless. Honestly, I could see myself using this video to help illustrate the concept to students.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад +33

      Thank you, that means a lot!

    • @brianford9522
      @brianford9522 2 года назад +12

      Masters degree in Mechanical Engineering here... I just love how video games bring everyone together! Loved the video... but then again, I love math so there you go. lol

    • @kingkeltic4228
      @kingkeltic4228 Год назад

      I bet you have a PhD lmao. I'm a multi-trillionaire with the fattest dong on Earth.

  • @cocoabeangamer690
    @cocoabeangamer690 3 года назад +3565

    The real best builds are the friends we made along the way.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +588

      You don’t need the best build in the game when you’ve got family

    • @hotwheels9754
      @hotwheels9754 3 года назад +14

      Or enemies

    • @tommitcx5463
      @tommitcx5463 3 года назад +27

      @@Bayesic Dom's charger for mario kart?????

    • @LITTLE1994
      @LITTLE1994 3 года назад +6

      Good luck on that. I hardly ever have friends.

    • @Duraith
      @Duraith 3 года назад +3

      @@Bayesic I swesr to god that's a Vin Diesel quote

  • @Tr3nchJDemonie
    @Tr3nchJDemonie 3 года назад +577

    This video is the answer to the question I stopped asking a while ago.

    • @Juan_Garcia07
      @Juan_Garcia07 3 года назад +1

      SAME

    • @Tr3nchJDemonie
      @Tr3nchJDemonie 3 года назад +1

      Consider subscribing to MK Road Maps. My videos are far better than my comments.

  • @superbro6413
    @superbro6413 2 года назад +224

    It's impressive how this game has been out for 7-ish years, and finally someone has a concise, well edited video explaining the nity-grity of MK8DX builds.
    Props to you man, fantastic work.
    You deserve a warm glass of milk and a cookie.

    • @Dinostraw
      @Dinostraw 2 года назад +10

      The Wii U version plays very differently to Deluxe. There basically is an optimal build for Wii U, since 33 of the 48 WRs use the same statically equivalent builds on 33 of the 48 tracks, and this build works fine on nearly every track in normal races. It's why you always saw Morton, Streetle / Blue Falcon, and Slicks in that game, and it's also probably why there isn't any video on the matter for the Wii U version because there basically is an objectively best build that'll work in almost all circumstances in a regular race (and still work for the majority of tracks at a WR level). So if we're excluding the Wii U version, then it was really about 4 years instead of 7 or so years for this type of content to be released (when it did release).
      Deluxe had an entire overhaul on the stats and altered some of the mechanics, which is why there is a larger amount of combo variety in this game. As for why there hasn't been a video yet (before this one) on the Deluxe side of things, part of that may have to do with the fact that there really aren't that many big 8DX channels from players in the actual scene, but I can't say for certain why no one has chosen to go so in-depth

  • @carpediem8314
    @carpediem8314 3 года назад +489

    Small characters are perfect for time trials because you don’t have to worry about heavier characters knocking you off the track.

    • @petermarsella6537
      @petermarsella6537 3 года назад +14

      Honestly I just want to know the best build for acing time trials. I'm thinking traction and ground speed, since acceleration and mini boost stats don't seem to matter as much, but being able to stay on the track and still move fast would be important

    • @pinguselen6771
      @pinguselen6771 3 года назад +36

      @@petermarsella6537 just check WR on said time trial. Whatever they're going is probably the vest build.

    • @catsareyes6446
      @catsareyes6446 2 года назад +9

      @@pinguselen6771
      Waluigi on a Wild Wiggler has claimed a portion of world records...

    • @IvyIsVeryTired
      @IvyIsVeryTired 2 года назад +35

      Smaller characters generally have lower top speed and higher acceleration though, and when you're running a time trial acceleration is going to stop mattering fairly early.

    • @penetrationskommentar877
      @penetrationskommentar877 2 года назад +3

      What are you talking about? Mario Kart DS was the only mario kart in which weight really played a role.

  • @kuzma1113
    @kuzma1113 3 года назад +95

    I play competitive Mario kart for my state and I just wanna say this video has helped me greatly find the best character for a standard kart/super glider/standard setup. Really appreciate it, keep up the great work. I would love to catch one of your streams sometimes. :)

    • @theNimboo
      @theNimboo 2 года назад +1

      Competitive Mario Kart for your state? What are you even on about lmao That doesn't exist

    • @kuzma1113
      @kuzma1113 2 года назад +8

      @@theNimboo It's called the fuse cup its in Australia

  • @Tom-vx7qh
    @Tom-vx7qh 3 года назад +63

    I'm so glad I found this channel. Nobody else talks about Mario Kart 8 Deluxe seriously. It makes it much harder to research this game compared to others.

  • @TheHegemon11
    @TheHegemon11 2 года назад +39

    Even if it's slightly less optimal, I'm gonna always use the 4 Gold build cuz, like, cmon dude, it looks sick

  • @henryoprinski4180
    @henryoprinski4180 2 года назад +39

    For me, handling is the most important stat. Using a kart that can turn well is just so fun to race with. Especially on 200cc which makes up for it normally being really slow.

  • @SgtKaito
    @SgtKaito 3 года назад +77

    I don't even remember the last time I've played Mario Kart 8 but this came up on my recommended and sounded interesting, so here I am. It was very interesting, and I kind of want to play some Mario Kart now!

  • @tisc25
    @tisc25 3 года назад +162

    I never realized the customizations changed how good we are
    I just chose the ones that looked the coolest

    • @ISAAC607
      @ISAAC607 2 года назад +24

      Chad

    • @bakedpotato5067
      @bakedpotato5067 2 года назад +5

      Same

    • @macrro
      @macrro Год назад +2

      Based

    • @JoJoboiWav
      @JoJoboiWav Год назад +1

      Same. A good looking Peach worth 1000 try hard waluigi builds

    • @innoc4063
      @innoc4063 Год назад

      @@JoJoboiWav You get it.

  • @darrickwestphal7443
    @darrickwestphal7443 2 года назад +20

    I like that this makes sense, scientifically, and in the gaming world, where you have to give players ups and downs, but still keep it fair. Well done!

  • @stagefright1238
    @stagefright1238 3 года назад +38

    I swear to god this is the MOST UNDERRATED channel in the whole of RUclips

  • @Jenaxu
    @Jenaxu 3 года назад +74

    "Why does everyone use Walugi"
    I...I thought it was just a meme where the whole lobby tries to use one character lolol

    • @catsareyes6446
      @catsareyes6446 2 года назад +18

      And Waluigi is an enormous meme that had reached “god status” amongst the memes.

    • @samuelthecamel
      @samuelthecamel 2 года назад +21

      At first, most Waluigi players were from Japan, so I just assumed the meme reached Japan somehow. Turns out it's just because they're tryhards

    • @Hitlercumslurper
      @Hitlercumslurper 2 года назад

      Me using Waluigi because he’s my favourite character 😐

  • @four-en-tee
    @four-en-tee 3 года назад +14

    As someone who's taking a Project Management course this semester in college, i never thought i'd hear Pareto brought up in a Mario Kart video.

  • @JUMPhiI
    @JUMPhiI 3 года назад +19

    Great video. Another way to look at it is combined stats. Say for example you want a build that has the highest possible combined Ground Speed and Mini Turbo, and out of those the one that has the highest combined total stats. So we are focusing on increasing the 2 most important stats to their combined maximum, while sacrificing as little as possible of the other stats.
    Let's look at builds with the maximum 7.75 bars combined Speed and MT, and at least 45 total bars across all 12 stats (maximum is 46).
    That leaves us with only 12 builds, all of which are Waluigi/Wario, Biddybuggy/Streetle/Wiggler and Rollers, with different Gliders. The top 2 builds out of these are Waluigi/Wario with Wiggler, Rollers and Paper Glider at 3.5+4.25 (Waluigi) / 3.75+4 (Wario) Speed+MT and 45.25 bars total combined stats, with the other 10 builds being at 45. In case you value MT higher than speed, Waluigi with Biddybuggy, Rollers and Paper Glider is the build with the highest MT stat that fits these requirements at 3 Speed, 4.75 MT and 45 total.
    To me at least this seems to explain the most popular builds perfectly.
    Also, by this logic, the worst possible combination would be Lemmy, Badwagon and Slicks with any Glider except Paper. 5.5 combined Speed+MT and 33.75 total stats.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +4

      Interesting I hadn’t thought about in that way before but makes a lot of sense. And here I thought my baby Luigi build was the worst!

    • @yonatanbeer3475
      @yonatanbeer3475 3 года назад +1

      I don't think you can add MT and Speed like that. What are the units of this combined stat?

  • @WafflesInTheRain
    @WafflesInTheRain 2 года назад +3

    I genuinely enjoyed this content so I’m just leaving a comment to help your metrics. This was a really interesting and cool way of breaking things down, and the results (what builds are popular and used in world record runs) proved your hypothesis (that the best builds would float to the top).

  • @giraffedragon6110
    @giraffedragon6110 3 года назад +2

    As someone who had played Mario Kart Double Dash for about 15-17 years, there are things I’ve noticed when playing.
    Regarding stats, the most important stat is acceleration while weight is the least important. Because you’re likely to be getting hit at some point during the race and skilled racers will time their tosses with enough gap for you to stagger and move just a little bit before hitting you again.
    The specials that appear the most are Mario/Luigi, Bowser/jr, DK/Diddy, Wario/Waluigi, followed by Yoshi/Birdo and Koopa/Paratroopa. These are the Specials that appear the most frequently while in the lead.
    The best of this list are Offensive, Defensive or both.
    Regarding straight up offense, Wario/Waluigi bomb and Yoshi/Birdo egg are really good. The egg even has utility as it spawns 3 items that can be shells, bomb, star, shroom, or bananas. Meanwhile the bomb is used as a terrify/fling tool or as a trap to someone not to far behind you.
    Pure defense goes to the Giant Banana. Huge hit box, regular shells and certain specials won’t even dent it, if it does break it turns into 3 smaller ones. If you want to be truly tactical cruel, put these, regular bananas, and fake item boxes at the peak of ramps or on guardrail-less bridges.
    For the best for both, Koopa she’ll of Doom and the triple red/greens (the color IS NOT determined by the Koopa) spaced out triple reds are going to be your greatest catch up tool beside speed enhancers.
    So for a great build, you want 2 small characters, low weight, better speed, fantastic acceleration, and characters with these specials. My recommendation is Bow jr with one of the Koopas.

  • @supergeorge8603
    @supergeorge8603 3 года назад +13

    Very interesting and informative video. My personal favourite build is Lemmy - Bone Rattler - azure roller - gold glider, not an optimal build but a fun one to use.

  • @thomas.huften
    @thomas.huften 3 года назад +10

    Amazing video! Really fun to hear about Pareto-efficiency combined with favorite game. Thanks a lot!!

  • @SaturnProductions
    @SaturnProductions 3 года назад +8

    Very well put together video! Can't wait to see what you do next.

  • @paulpauvert4637
    @paulpauvert4637 3 года назад +6

    this is crystal clarity right there, my dude. Liked and subbed !

  • @lincolnkrueger5583
    @lincolnkrueger5583 3 года назад +20

    Ahhhh. Science. My favorite

  • @ibbybibby
    @ibbybibby 3 года назад +7

    3:51
    Feels like I'm back in a maths classroom

  • @freshproduce4954
    @freshproduce4954 3 года назад +28

    Thank you so much for this information. I was always curious about this. I like that at least up to 150cc you can win with basically anything. I use Morton with the Streetle and Azure Rollers because I think it looks goofy.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +6

      Nice lol. And yeah I mean if you’re good at the game you can beat like 99% of people with literally anything

  • @jonasdietrich8109
    @jonasdietrich8109 Год назад +1

    Thanks a lot for your hard work! Turns out that the setup I am mostly using is almost pareto optimal, but now I did some tweaks with the help of your tool and now run a 10/15 (mini turbo/speed) pareto build.

  • @JasperHuskyFox
    @JasperHuskyFox 2 года назад +7

    Holy crap, you explained Pareto Efficiency very well!! I have issues with understanding concepts and ideas due to Asperger's (low autism), but the way where you made it visual and explained it slowly and carefully, you've made understanding much easier!!
    One sub from me! Keep up the amazing content!

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад +4

      Thank you!

  • @isaac_aren
    @isaac_aren 2 года назад +1

    Another aspect that is important to consider imo is how tight your build can take turns. Some karts and wheels offer different kinds of drifting capabilities. Taking a difficult turn very tightly can make a huge difference

  • @Doshalot
    @Doshalot 3 года назад +10

    U need more subs IMO ur the only person making this kind of content for mk8d

  • @retr_0864
    @retr_0864 Год назад +1

    Thanks, my friend getting into the game and I couldn’t find a better way to explain it all. Video helped

  • @pianist1562
    @pianist1562 3 года назад +8

    Great video! This puts ideas that I'd understood mainly through intuition gained from years of playing the game into solid logic. I'll definitely share this with anyone who has questions about combos in the future.
    P.S. The video also made me appreciate R a lot more; I really didn't like the stat class that made me learn it, but seeing it used for something I'm so passionate about was really cool. Great job on that inspiration too x)

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +2

      O_O thanks man appreciate that! It’s funny you mention your stats class being kind of unmotivating for learning R cause I had the same experience
      My first stats professor didn’t really explain how to use it very well and so basically everybody in the class was totally lost with it. Then I found some random side project that I wanted to work on and forced myself to learn R to work on that project
      Now a not insubstantial portion of my R use is spent answering video game related questions like in your stream today xD

  • @Nightmare-fe9hr
    @Nightmare-fe9hr 2 года назад +1

    you could theoretically go even deeper by running simulations of the optimal builds on each track assuming the shortest possible path around the track, but that would be more effort than its worth

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад

      Yeah haha. I just let the time trailers figure it out xD

  • @flint9064
    @flint9064 3 года назад +11

    I learned more about math from this video instead of my own stats class.
    I have mario kart brain

  • @UKPurplePanther
    @UKPurplePanther 2 года назад +1

    As a total beginner to gaming, and having chosen Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for my starter.... I am so glad I found Bayesic's channel for tutorials.
    Really great explanations in his videos. Science ---> great minds think alike.
    This chap is worthy of double / treble the amount of subscribers !

  • @AlphaOmega503
    @AlphaOmega503 3 года назад +29

    kart combos matter but so does skills. just having the best combo alone wont garauntee you a win.

  • @just_a_morningstar
    @just_a_morningstar 2 года назад +12

    The best build is clearly the one that looks the coolest to any given player

  • @popoki8666
    @popoki8666 3 года назад +7

    This was really well done! deserves more views

  • @gabekart581
    @gabekart581 3 года назад +4

    Great video! It helped me see the metas in a whole different way

  • @RubixCubed3
    @RubixCubed3 3 года назад +4

    Skill trumps stats every time. Back on wiiu top speed was more important. On switch it’s not as important as miniturbo, which acceleration and handling affect mini turbo, so you should put some focus on those. But having a kart combo the specs in acceleration and handling, and balance it off with a a heavier character like waluigi where he has some speed, it’s no wonder why it’s a popular kart combo. Btw I’m currently developing a website myself for recommending kart combos based on track popularity and top 5 kart combos for those selected tracks with stats averaged out. More on this later. This is a very good app btw.

    • @derLenno
      @derLenno 3 года назад

      Following

    • @superman5150
      @superman5150 2 года назад

      When will your site be available?

  • @itsYaMans
    @itsYaMans 2 года назад +1

    Man, thank you for taking the time creating this content. Genuinely happy you exist, buddy.

  • @cornbonzo7027
    @cornbonzo7027 2 года назад +18

    i love learning about this but my mario kart build is determined almost entirely by style. i'm still gonna use p-wing blue standards with luigi. it looks too good for me to switch off

    • @unnameablename
      @unnameablename 2 года назад

      Gotta agree. The P-wing may not be the best statistically, but it's great aesthetically.

  • @Bayesic
    @Bayesic  3 года назад +361

    First off: I'm aware that at 7:04 there's a typo and the acceleration should be 1.75
    Since people are asking about it, here's a link to the web-based app I put together for this video (it's totally free, no ads no nothing, I get absolutely NO benefit from you guys using this other than the satisfaction of knowing it's being used).
    ********************************************
    ** Please read the rest of this comment **
    ********************************************
    bayesicmk8dx.shinyapps.io/mk8_build_optimizer/
    So here's the thing though. I currently have the free version of the shinyapps account, and this limits the usage on the app. Once it's seen 25 hours of usage in a single month it'll basically just stop working until the next month, so just keep that in mind when you're using it. I'm probably just going to put all of the data / code on a git repo somewhere for you to all download it yourselves eventually, but wanna figure out how to do that in a secure way first

    • @solarupdraft
      @solarupdraft 3 года назад +3

      I ended up just adding together and plotting my build myself, then pausing the video and checking the chart. Thanks for the work you put into the app and video!

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +8

      Awesome I’ll definitely look into that!

    • @Pslamist
      @Pslamist 3 года назад +3

      Hey dude; did you look into that? I don't want your thing to disappear.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +4

      @@Pslamist as far as I can tell it should still work. Have you tried it yet?
      The problem with the GitHub solution is that as far as I can tell there’s not a way to actually like host the app there. All I can do is just put the code and then you’d have to install everything yourself

    • @JackFrostVT
      @JackFrostVT 3 года назад +4

      @@Bayesic Link doesn't work for me. :( I found this video too late. I hope there's a way to fix it.

  • @Ellipsis115
    @Ellipsis115 2 года назад +1

    Wow, I will use this maths concept so much from now on! Best earned sub from me in a bloody long time!

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад

      Thank you so much! I put a lot of work into this video

  • @mariocisemusic
    @mariocisemusic 2 года назад +3

    Great video! The hidden stats in this game are so frustrating to me. Mini turbo, arguably the most important stat, is completely hidden, and traction referring to off-road traction makes absolutely no sense, since some of the slipperiest builds in the game happen to have decent off-road traction.

  • @chrishtmusic
    @chrishtmusic Год назад

    i just took a course in game theory in which we learned about pareto optimality. so cool to see this concept applied to maria kart so elegantly!

  • @chrod64
    @chrod64 3 года назад +17

    This is the most well made video i've seen on this topic. Definitely going to share this with people when they ask why I use the tryhard build haha. Very informative, thank you!

  • @Kenganhkl
    @Kenganhkl 2 года назад

    After years of wanting to jump into Mario Kart 8, I've finally got ahold of a Switch and first thing I did was getting into online races. Thank you very much for sharing your detailed research and the builder! All the best wishes to you!

  • @markflakezCG
    @markflakezCG 3 года назад +11

    Sure he isn‘t in that game. But Funky Kong will always be the best :)

  • @reddeath5791
    @reddeath5791 2 года назад +1

    I always use biddybuggy, roller, and cloud glider build because my play style revolves around drifting, I never really liked using “the meta” because it just feels like I’m doing what everyone else is doing and it isn’t fun seeing literally everyone have the exact same build in one race. I personally think it’s much more interesting seeing people with their own play styles and builds so that you get to know who exactly you’re competing against. It just makes the game seem more fun

    • @chrisR-B
      @chrisR-B Год назад

      Literally listed as a meta build at the end >_>.

  • @DoritoTime
    @DoritoTime 3 года назад +10

    I guess we could then do a pareto with a summation of speed/mini turbo vs. a summation of speed/handling to further narrow the selection. I bet the wifi sweat builds would end up supreme

  • @JV-uq9cf
    @JV-uq9cf 3 года назад

    This is super interesting. I bet there's a few way you could go even further if you wanted:
    1) Have specific Pareto charts for different courses. By considering the percent of time spent drifting during a course, you could weigh the mini-turbo stat more or less compared to the max speed stat when determining Pareto efficiency. The same can go for percent of time spent in anti-grav, underwater, etc. In determining the possible weight of those terrain speed stats too.
    2) I'm curious if you could increase the accuracy of your algorithm by, instead of ignoring the other stats completely, you could weigh them much lower than the speed/mini-turbo stats but still factor them into the equation. If multiple builds lie on the Pareto frontier, then you may as well consider the other stats as tiebreakers.
    3) I'd be really interested in knowing each characters' # of degrees of separation from a Pareto frontier build. E.g. If a character can achieve 100% Pareto efficiency, it'd have 0 degrees of separation, but if the best they could get is 1 dot away from the frontier, they'd be 1 degree of separation away, and so on. That way you could use your data to create a sort of theoretically-objective tier list.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад

      Pretty fun ideas. #1 would be super cool but pretty much impossible since optimal baby strategies spend a lot more time drifting than waluigi strategies
      For #2 Pareto frontier stuff generalizes pretty easily to higher dimensions. I just stick with 2 since it’s easier to visualize
      #3 you can kinda do with the app but it’s a bit janky haha
      Thanks for the ideas though :-)

  • @MikeDaddyMCS
    @MikeDaddyMCS 3 года назад +5

    So much less drip than Funky Kong with the Flame Runner

  • @carstan62
    @carstan62 3 года назад +1

    I was really late to the party for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe because I'd already played quite a bit of Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U. I wasn't aware that they'd changed the mini turbo stat, but that certainly explains why people started using roller wheels instead of the slick wheels they used on the Wii U.

  • @BigEvy
    @BigEvy 3 года назад +4

    I’m actually upset that waluigi is top tier in Mk8. I played him all the time in MKwii and no one batted an eye save for those who let me know that funky was top. But now when I play waluigi in Mk8 everyone thinks I’m being a try hard.
    I no longer give half a damn , and I just play whatever is fun. I like waluigi on the pipe cart with slicks.

  • @LadyEclairMinecraft
    @LadyEclairMinecraft 2 года назад

    This is the best video I've seen breaking down how all of these builds work. Also I love that you used R to go through all this data. Never something I would've thought to use R for.

  • @exotic-gem
    @exotic-gem 2 года назад +3

    Scooty is the best kart IMO, mostly because of the tiny hitbox.

  • @noneofyourbusiness4133
    @noneofyourbusiness4133 2 года назад +1

    Seeing thr legion of WaLuigi’s at 0:36 absolutely SLAYED me

  • @xalizkoify
    @xalizkoify 3 года назад +3

    A long winded way to basically tell people to stop using Waluigi 😊

    • @BlackDragon41sbm
      @BlackDragon41sbm 3 года назад

      I use Waluigi because he's my favorite character, I don't usually use Wiggler(except on Bowser City) I prefer my bikes much more. So no thanks, I'm not going to stop using Waluigi. 😁

  • @xoxopenquin
    @xoxopenquin Год назад

    Been trying to get into mariokart as a player who isn’t good and I’m really enjoying your content, just doing this to add support ♥️

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Год назад

      Very much appreciated!

  • @b00psn00t
    @b00psn00t 2 года назад +3

    The math on the gold kart does not add up for acceleration. Your calculation says 2.75 but the bar on the right says 1.75. 🤔

    • @dakotagrunden5300
      @dakotagrunden5300 2 года назад

      he mistyped it. 7/4 (which is what the actual equation is) is 1.75. he just put a 2 on accident

  • @Spectral_wolf97
    @Spectral_wolf97 3 года назад +2

    Very complex but actually helpful vid great work my guy!

  • @NotJosh_1
    @NotJosh_1 3 года назад +7

    2+2= Waluigi on Mr Scooty with rollers

    • @MasterMario
      @MasterMario 3 года назад +2

      You know what else is funny? This comment has 4 likes

    • @NotJosh_1
      @NotJosh_1 3 года назад +1

      @@MasterMario This made my day

  • @Alxium
    @Alxium 2 года назад +1

    Playing regional online in North America is a nightmare. Everyone and their mother uses the Waluigi build. Ironically I find worldwides more fun and interesting XD

  • @crimson1million
    @crimson1million Год назад +2

    F

  • @isaacsteen4828
    @isaacsteen4828 3 года назад +2

    Reminder that skill still matters above what build you use, I won a statewide tourney using Dry Bones in standard everything

    • @elmo9632
      @elmo9632 2 года назад +1

      5% build, 20% skill, 75% luck

  • @tayloransel3353
    @tayloransel3353 2 года назад +1

    I got a build for you. Dry bones, biddy buggy, azure rollers, and the gold glider. the weight and handling really put the build to the top

  • @novaprime2884
    @novaprime2884 2 года назад

    I'm only just finding this video, but I like the way that you helped visualize all of this data to determine how good some of these combos are. As a purist that only uses Yoshi/Standard Tires/Standard Glider/Pipe Frame, I appreciate the work you put into this, even if it's to answer a question about a particularly curious occurrence.

  • @uselessfuse
    @uselessfuse 2 года назад

    this was really great, did not expect to watch the whole thing

  • @scottymartini
    @scottymartini 2 года назад

    Genuinely one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen in a while. Subbed

  • @TheKinkySkink
    @TheKinkySkink 3 года назад

    Always nice to see in-depth videos on this game and you do a great job explaining things. I'd love to get my hands on that application to see how my personal build stacks up for the fun of it

  • @JoshuaKoh
    @JoshuaKoh 3 года назад +1

    Super clear and entertaining content. You're a madlad for coding a shinyapp to visualize the details too! Great work on the videos!

  • @AceAngel213
    @AceAngel213 2 года назад +1

    I’ve never played a single game of Mario kart 8 and watched the entire video. That’s quality 😌👌🏼

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад

      Honestly I really appreciate that!

  • @vdfritzz
    @vdfritzz 2 года назад +2

    i used to dominate mk8 dx online in 2018, i haven't played it online in so long! i only play with friends very rarely, using low speed cars/characters, launching slowly and using absolutely no items lmao and at 100cc because most of them can't even handle 150cc
    i still have a great time though, playing handicapped like that makes me really focus on my driving

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад

      Flexing hard on the homies. Love it lol

    • @vdfritzz
      @vdfritzz 2 года назад

      ​@@Bayesic when you're the only one that owns the game, that's bound to happen

  • @KirbyTear
    @KirbyTear 2 года назад +1

    After watching this, I came to the conclusion that at the end of the day it is up to you what build you pick.
    I for instance use Toadette/Biddybuggy/Azure Roller/Crossing Glider because I focus more on recovering after taking a hit and doing those sweet purple mini turbos.
    I tried different builds as well and noticed, as you said in the video, that each build is different depending on the track. So I pick what I can play the best with overall.
    Skill is what's really important and what makes or breaks a race. Luck is part of the game so even the best ones may go into the Bottom 6 multiple times in a row.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад +2

      Your conclusion is correct haha. Even at the very top levels of game play it's possible to success with "non-meta" builds

    • @elmo9632
      @elmo9632 2 года назад +1

      Luck is 75% of the game.

  • @bikinglemur7738
    @bikinglemur7738 2 года назад +1

    This is fantastic, thank you. It's really frustrating how the game doesn't actually allow you to see these numbers in a simple way i.e. not showing stats on rider screen and using a bizarre (x+3)/4 scaling

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад

      Yeah I have no idea why they seem to want the players of the game to be less informed about how it works

  • @yhwhlungs
    @yhwhlungs 3 года назад

    Hey Bayesic, this video is so well don't nice job! I'd love how you layered your video.

  • @TheManWithATrilbyHat
    @TheManWithATrilbyHat 2 года назад

    I usually have good runs with Inkling Girl/Pipe frame/Leaf Tires/Standard Glider; I used that MK8DX builder and discovered my old builds from my WiiU days were sub-optimal, especially under water, which is what caused a lot of headaches on Dolphin Shoals. My old kart build pretty much sacrificed everything for ground/anti-grav speed and weight. Even though the new combo was slower overall the acceleration and mini turbo are way better, and the underwater handling and underwater speeds are more evenly balanced with the other handlings/speeds. I may switch to the Plane Glider because it will bring my anti-grav speed up a bit, bring water speed down to match air speed, even out water and anti-grav handling, and trade a modicum of grip for increased weight; all without sacrificing any more boost or acceleration (and leaving my ground and air speeds still). Inkling/Pipe Frame/Leaf Tires/Standard or Plane Glider's lowest speed stat is ground,--which it just occurred to me--is the reason why my friends seem to keep better pace with me on the more ground-centric courses. And why one who uses a better ground speed/acceleration/boost combo annihilates me on Excite Bike

  • @SethAbercromby
    @SethAbercromby 2 года назад

    My personal favorite build so far, that is Rosalina on Jet Bike and Slim wheels, is okay in terms of ground speed and mini-turbo, but sorting for acceleration and mini-turbo it sorts to the weakest on the graph for its mini turbo stat. This explains why the bike does well enough in practice against CPUs or the clock, but suffers online.

  • @gregarayamandelbrot
    @gregarayamandelbrot 2 года назад +2

    Fellow Data Scientist here, this video is amazing I love it! Found it while I'm coming back due to the DLC, pumped to be playing something new again. Quick Q: Do you know what other kart the master cycle zero is equivalent to?

  • @thatJAWNraps
    @thatJAWNraps Год назад +1

    Wave 4's buffs in the wave 4 patch update means this video is BEGGING for a 2023 sequel!

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Год назад

      It's coming out on Wednesday actually lmao

  • @javieravila5229
    @javieravila5229 2 года назад +2

    Applying Game Theory to an actual game.
    What a time to be alive

  • @4GRJ
    @4GRJ 3 года назад +1

    Just checked the Baby Luigi + Koopa Clown combo
    The Traction on that thing is monstrous (5.25) , it's not to be laughed at.
    Combined with an alright MT stat of 3.25 + the fact that the player is a tourney level player...
    You're definitely going to be outclassed

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад

      Yeah it’s definitely not the worst build in the game just that there are a ton of builds that are much much better, point being that getting good at the game is way more important than your build

  • @andre-arthur
    @andre-arthur Год назад

    Amazing video!! I never really understood how people chose the best karts for each track and you explained everything incredibly well! Bravo!

  • @DoxSteele
    @DoxSteele 2 года назад +1

    For me, I just go pure acceleration. Dry Bones+Azure+Cloud, so much acceleration, but on some 200cc course, it's too much and you end up flying off the track from speeding up so much

    • @JoseRuiz-li9bm
      @JoseRuiz-li9bm 2 года назад

      Just hold the brake button as you drift around corners

    • @DoxSteele
      @DoxSteele 2 года назад

      @@JoseRuiz-li9bm not that simple, bud. That's why I'm complaining. The acceleration is so high that even if you do that, you will still fall off or come to a complete stop, rarely ever an in-between

    • @JoseRuiz-li9bm
      @JoseRuiz-li9bm 2 года назад

      @@DoxSteele huh, I mean I can do it with any cart and character setup and I feel like that's all I do

    • @DoxSteele
      @DoxSteele 2 года назад

      @@JoseRuiz-li9bm ok, try a few courses like Neo Bowser and Rainbow Road with my setup. The acceleration is too damn high, so you gain speed so fast you end up flying off. It's not an optimal cart, I'll be honest, but I still enjoy using it, of course

    • @JoseRuiz-li9bm
      @JoseRuiz-li9bm 2 года назад

      Neo Bowser on 200cc was always fun. I'll try it right now with your build

  • @yourresume373
    @yourresume373 2 года назад

    Alright so I've been playing Mario Kart 8 deluxe offline for a while now and I had no idea about the online community or optimal strategies for competing online. However, by trial and error, I managed to make the main build I use surprisingly similar stat-wise (though slightly less efficient) to the Waluigi/Wiggler combo. I did consider switching to the Wiggler but in all honesty I thought it looked kind of stupid, and I didn't want to be staring at it every race. I will admit though, the only reason I chose to use Waluigi in the first place is because I think he's funny and I really like him, so I feel validated knowing I'm using a fairly solid build and character.

  • @Jellyman1129
    @Jellyman1129 2 года назад

    Great statistical video, very easy to follow! I use Heavy Mii, Circuit Special, Slick Wheels, and Plane Glider just because I like max speed for the fun of it. I was completely UNAWARE that this was a pareto optimal build until watching this video. I found out my build isn’t just optimal in speed and mini-turbo, but also in acceleration and traction, giving it the highest overall statistical value in the entire game! I’m mostly a Mariokart Wii fan and mostly play 8 Deluxe just for fun, but I had no idea I hit gold with my max speed build. I actually thought it was UNOPTIMIZED because the acceleration and traction is so low, but that’s the highest it’s going to get with my max speed, so it works out! Looking forward to the DLC courses, especially from Wii! 🏁

  • @Swashbucklebuckle
    @Swashbucklebuckle 2 года назад

    Dude, I loved every bit of this video! I am quite the analytical thinker myself and I absolutely enjoyed your 'labbing' and the way ou broke it down. I would have done it in a similar way probably, but not as thoroughly. I played MK8 on the Wii U and just got MK8D, I never knew Mini Turbos are bound to acceleration. O.O

  • @huck9293
    @huck9293 2 года назад +1

    I seriously thought applying data science to analyze this stuff is genius. Kudos

  • @LightLock
    @LightLock 3 года назад +1

    I like how you paused when asking if it was a pareto optimal configuration. I felt like I was watching a much better version of dora.
    "is this a pareto optimal configuration"
    No?
    Fantastico!

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  3 года назад +3

      That super long pause is cause I actually had something else in the script there, I forget what it was, but it was just really bad so I had to remove it. The video editing was already done so my only option was to leave the question and then just have y’all stare at the screen for an uncomfortable amount of time lol

  • @matthewrevell9021
    @matthewrevell9021 2 года назад

    Thank you I think this video at least slightly changed my views on how to enjoy and play this game better in my own way

  • @ExaltedUriel
    @ExaltedUriel 2 года назад +1

    I'm not necessarily going to disparage people for using optimized builds, but I do find it funny how often times in games the "optimal" loadout is also some of the funniest looking. Like I don't think anyone would describe Wild Wiggler or Biddybuggy as "cool" looking vehicles, but they're some of the most used in optimal builds. It's like broadcasting without fail "I am just using this because of the stats, not because I like how it looks", lmao

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  2 года назад

      Yeah, I mean if it were up to me I would be using bad wagon all day but it’s one of the worst karts in the game lol

  • @illkeyLive
    @illkeyLive Год назад

    Very informative! Very entertaining! Normalize enjoying video games- if that means playing the meta to focus on pure technical skill: AWESOME. If that means playing your favourite character because you enjoy freedom of expression/the way they handle despite their shortcomings: AWESOME.

  • @garrettbaird5036
    @garrettbaird5036 2 года назад +1

    He was talking I had an almost audible thought “can he just tell me what to use” and immediately he said “I’m not here to just tell you what to use” and I think he can hear me

  • @anaka42
    @anaka42 3 года назад +1

    Your MK videos are easily the best my dude. Thanks for the hard work.

  • @magmarxiogaming6717
    @magmarxiogaming6717 2 года назад

    with the one on the thumbnail i can already kinda tell, waluigi is funny meme character and a heavy class character which in a racing game are usually good top speed and low acceleration, but siince mario kart has a way to change top speed and acceleration the lighter bodies and small tires tend to be the most likely to be used to balance waluigi's weight