Data Scientist's Guide to the NEW MK8 DELUXE META!
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Waluigi Wiggler is NO MORE! So what can we replace it with if we want to maximize our statistical advantages as much as possible?
One of the most popular videos on my channel took a scientific approach to finding the best builds in the game, and in this video I'm updating the analysis based on NIntendo's most recent Wave 4 balance patch that added speed and/or mini turbo to a bunch of underutilized characters, karts, and tires
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I personally love how Nintendo somehow got a bunch of serious, competitive, data driven gamers to ride around on stuffed bears with button tires.
I wish there was a "random kart" option that just gave you completely random parts. THAT would make for some fun online matches!
Wave 5 balance patch?
I was honestly surprised this didnt already exist for such a good party game
I do random selection all the time. Just close your eyes
Mk7 had this
7.
I love how full standard Mario is now a viable strategy.
Bravo Nintendo for making Mario meta.
You clearly don't play Smash lmao
i'd rather see a million generic mario standart kart than a million Waluigi wigglers.
At least Waluigi sees some play in this game
@@niels8195 yeah, because apparently no one can win a race without using meta. (Well, at least used to, now waluigi is nothing)
we went from 3 optimal builds-paths to 4 optimal paths and at least 5 optimal-optimal-optimal builds in just one path, and this is only using anti grav speed as a preferred stat, so wow, this makes the meta really "skill issue" based, this sounds like a win win
more like item rng based as it always was
@@julien827 unless we are talking about time trials
@@smilefacebird2028Everybody gangsta til Red Shell ruins your new personal best
@@voguefurret how tf u gonna get a red shell in time trials lmao
@@pampom1554 It finds a way
This is a great update for mario kart 8 deluxe.
The secret to build variety in these kinds of games is having enough different and roughly the same combinations stat wise, while still having some stats difer from one another.
This way it comes down to personal preference on which stats a player values more over the others.
fuck personal preference - i rock whats the best and git gud at it lol
@@Max-dv1kq thats the spirit. Nows the time for that
@@Max-dv1kq fuck your tryhard preference, I rock what I have fun with kid
Something you could do to take this a step further is to come up with a "composite speed" stat, since you only ever use one of the four speed stats at any given moment. If somebody could measure the total percentage of ground, anti-grav, water, and air across all the tracks in the game, you might be able to come up with an actual statistically best combo.
The problem with this is track variance.
Water speed, for example, matters a whole lot more on Dolphin Shoals than Wii Coconut Mall, for example, so if there's a build that can nix all water speed gains for ground speed gains (or vice versa) it'll perform better on the track it's more suited towards
@@steveheist6426 although assuming that track selection online is random, then statistically you can assign different weights to the different speed stats based on the probability of its occurrence and select based on that. Now it might turn out that ground speed dominates so highly that the weighting towards it also dominates, I haven't run the numbers.
@@steveheist6426 Steve that’s literally what this person is accounting for
Statistically, across all tracks, you could get an average distribution of the terrain types, and then probably find to what degree tracks like Dolphin Shoals deviate from the standard to see how worth considering they are in the grand scheme
“Statistically optimal” usually never means “best (or even good) in every situation,” but you can always land on a number, and that helps us make the unavoidable subjective decisions you bring up
someone did this though I can't find it again. but it was roughly across all tracks something like 80% ground, 15% antigravity, and air and water only being about 5% combined. which is to say almost not worth considering except to omtimize specific tracks for time trials.
@@DrSlipstream I mean sure, but even just experientially I think it's pretty apparent with a cursory knowledge of the (soon to be) 96 tracks, water and air are a tiny fraction of race time. at least far outweighed by ground, and significantly less than antigravity
The biggest thing to me is how we can now optimize for secondary stats in time trials. Acceleration is probably the best online but rarely the best for time trials. I can now spec into builds with additional traction, anti-grav speed, air speed etc without sacrificing ground speed or miniturbo like before.
Side note: I think anti-grav speed is less important online now than it used to be since almost none of the booster pass courses include it. If anything, air speed might be the way to go
Yeah air is more important for BCP but antigravity is way more important for classic
Love this update and how so many different combos are viable now! My main was Link/Teddy Buddy/Rollers before this update so now that it's meta I am switching to the main man, MARIO
I’ve been wanting a medium weight meta and I’m glad to see them a bit more viable now
Bro just play what you like
@Reezywyd I liked link teddy buggy because it was good and hardly anyone used him. Now that it's the most meta build in the game I would rather use something more unique like Mario/Splat Buggy/Rollers
@@thunderhog45 alr
My main was and still is king boo, teddy buggy, blue rollers and cloud glider
Always used all standard kart parts with whatever character i happen to feel like just because I like the way the standard kart looks. Glad to see it's not even a downgrade to choose it anymore!
I'd love to see a breakdown like this but specifically for Inward Drifting bikes! The fact they actually control differently means there are some people (like me!) who just prefer them over the "normal" drifting vehicles, so even if they may not be able to reach "true" optimal levels it'd still be nice to know which combinations get closest to optimal levels using them.
Comet / Yoshi bike are the same as cat cruiser / teddy so those are "meta" for inward drifting bikes
I too love the inward drifting bikes but always love dabbling with Karts as well.
Seems like my combination of:
Dk;
Comet;
Roller;
Cloud.
Ends up with:
11 ground and 15 mini turbo
Peach/Diasy/Yoshi/Birdo
Yoshi Bike/Comet
Cloud Glider/Paper Glider/Flower Glider/Parachute
Slim/Crimson Slim/Wooden
That is an optimal build with 11 speed and 15 MT. I find it the best inside drift combo since it has good traction, a really important inside drift stat. Rollers make drifting a bit wonky, so you trade insane MT for better speed and having an easier time drifting.
Quick little cheat sheet to find optimal builds in the new meta:
If your character's GS and MT add up to 10, your body's add up to 8, and your tires' add up to 6, it's probably viable with cloud glider (though a fair few dip below 14 MT).
The amount of effort you put into this video is amazing. I mainly use characters I enjoy like Iggy, King Boo, Wario, Ludwig, and Luigi, but I'm happy to see that for people who want to play optimally, there are resources like this video that are available.
Thank you so much, i really put way more effort into this one than almost any other video on my channel, except maybe the first best builds video and my kusaan slide video haha
@@Bayesic that checks out given the title! Being a scientist in these contexts, to me, really just means putting in the effort when you have the means. Not a lot of people would even know where to start with this, so you’re providing a great service, and you know that serving the most requires doing it right!
You met the task with the appropriate respect and care, which I feel not everyone can say for a RUclips video, awesome work!
Lucky for you, they buffed Iggy/Luigi and King Boo. Every build who uses Rosalina also can use King Boo.
Wow, you did the math for everyone, thanks, I knew some sort of statistical data could be pulled to determine the best builds.
i think the weight stat should be considered more , i find that online having a bit more weight can make it easier to push ppl out of the way and take the lines you want. after the patch they’re all a bit slower but i find with lighter characters i slow down by taking different lines to avoid ppl.
it’ll be interesting to see now that the optimal build isn’t on a heavyweight
thats why i use the gold glider in my build, it has 'extra' points vs some other gliders and the extra .25 is in the weight section (without taking a .25 point from handling etc) makes it my choice now that im using a medium mii instead of a large one or DK in my new build - but yeah weight is super important online where races are tight cuz you dont wanna be stuck avoiding contact vs ignoring it
oh cool i didn’t know that , does it have similar stats to the cloud gliders or like the super glider ?
@@MFjackson yeah from what i remember atleast before the patch i sued a build of dk/scooty/cloud glider most of the time though after the nerfs for speed i figurd id still wana make up for the weight lost by going from DK/Large Mii to medium Mii on standard kart so added that gold glider for the weight
its interesting, you can add up the total amount of skill pionts and not all players have the same depending on the build too, for example i made one build that had 16 and 1/4 total points but my personal meta which isnt a real meta but pretty optimizd with the new patch but my new one has 18.25 overall skill points (would be 18 if i dindnt go from cloud glider to gold one cuz that extra weight stat doesnt come at the cost of anything else luckily...
Waluigi is my favorite Mario character and I want to keep using him, so Waluigi Teddy Buggy/Roller/Paper will be great! Rosalina & Link are cool too, and I've had fun with Medium Mii Inkstriker today.
Thank you.
@Daniel ChenHello!
This is the most thorough analysis of the rebalance I’ve seen-easy to understand and straight to the point. Love the content Bayesic!
What's interesting about the invincibility stat not really influencing the waluigi wiggler meta, is that I do not think many knew about it. Heck, this video is the first I've heard of it
Agreed. I think Nintendo should surface these stats
I’m imagining a way we can take this even further: optimize for each individual cup.
Quantify the meters for each speed category (ground, air, etc.) for each individual track; add them up for a cup’s total meters; then use the most common speed types as our speed variant.
Thanks a lot Bayesic! This has been really helpful.
This update has been amazing. My favorite build has to be Yellow Shy Guy, Inkstriker, Rollers, and Paper glider.
I do love me some shy guy haha
Used the same build with Toad (same stats as Shy Guy)
I've always used Mario + standard kart online against many "more optimal builds." It's fun showing that optimal builds don't always matter. And I'm glad that Nintendo decided to make almost every kart optimal if used by someone knowledgeable on the courses, their kart, and character.
Really liking Luigi Inkstrider looking to find a build that I like with king boo as boos have been one of my favorite Mario enemies for a long time.
I focus more on 200cc, and so far I *really* like how Birdo/biddy/rollers feels there! Birdo/teddy feels great too. There's always been more build diversity for 200cc online play than for 150cc, but over the past year more and more people started to use waluigi biddy since it was objectively the best at the highest level. This has completely reset the diversity, which is really cool to see.
With that said, I feel TERRIBLE for time trialers who had all their records made obsolete overnight. Not fun for them at all.
Yeah it seems like a lot of people aren't thinking very deeply about the TT scene tbh. Like I have a 1:44 something on dDD 150 and I'm really proud of that time because of how optimized it was relative to the old world record. Now I can easily get a faster time with Birdo even on a bad run and it's like... I don't particularly care about fast times for the sake of having fast times, I care about fast times cause they represent mastery over the course
@@Bayesic Yeah it looks like most people haven't even considered Time Trials and think this patch is a complete upgrade
200cc is the future to be honest, people is getting pretty good at it, imo Nintendo should do a new VR lobby with 200cc and a freshly released 200cc Mirror. All tracks in tour have their R versions and are played regularly why 200cc doesn't have it is beyond me.
@@ChuyR. ngl I would rather play 50cc than 200 mirror LOL, but a 200cc-only VR would be amazing and show a support for the 200cc scene we haven't gotten from Nintendo in the past
@@MeesterTweester I'm not completely sure. If anything, it might incentive people to try to improve those timers.
I've been trying out the Sports Coupe now and it's been giving me great results with the new boosts to mini turbo. I used to exclusively run Ludwig/Mr. Scooty/Button Wheels but now that's definitely going to change!
Standard Mario build is now ridiculously explosive, to the point that it’s extremely difficult to control
as someone who has been playing Luigi with the teddybear forever just because I love the character and the kart I can tell you how much I am laughing at this update XD really nice to see people playing with new builds!
Appreciate your expertise!
Thank you so much!
I think this is a good analysis. I wanted to add a point from a hard-earned lesson as an ML practicioner that things might settle yet still on what the optimal (or "pareto-optimal") builds are for a given meta. There are oftentimes tiny factors, like kart size, that grossly impact how/what/where/when we make the decisions on what to use in online play or other.
Even in time trials, the answer to a "better run" can't always be guessed by drawing a straight line from what we already know. It's very nonlinear sometimes. But we can get very close, and sometimes the linear guess based on the pareto optimal stats for our desired goals -- in this case, the best combos of mini turbo and top ground speed :O -- is good enough.
Where you will possibly see the "nonlinear" side of things is in new strats that the new combos of carts unlock or make useless (like if we were depending upon hitting a certain ribbon of road for a jump boost and that gets moved in time due to a different cart being boost+speed optimal, etc)
That's the great part and good news for y'all! Now it's up for grabs, and you have even more of a leg up on the competition a bit! Just keep an eye out for new shifts and possibilities, and see if you can indeedy score yourself a new WR! It's both easier and harder than you think IMO if you dedicate yourself to it.
Mario Standard sweep
Banger video - appreciate all the work that went into giving us a nice summary with your opinion + the updated website. Thank you for continuing to support and build the community!
Amazing video as always Bayesic. I love putting math to video games, it's one of the reasons why I love competitive Pokemon so much.
I'm so happy that we get so much more optimal combinations now, I love being able to pick some of my favorite characters (namely King Boo) and also see more than a wave of Yellow+Purple online. It's a welcome change. As an added bonus, the Teddy Buggy is a much cuter combo than WWW, so it's less of an eyesore on the track, lol.
A big apsect about the new metq I see nobody talk about is how some Inward Drifting bikes share stats with the Teddy Buggy, namely the Comet and the Yoshi Bike. This means the new meta allows optimality while also allowing a completely different drifting style.
new to your channel, but as a fellow data scientist this is brilliant fun.
Fellow number crunchers unite!
Mini-turbo and Handling are the stats I often spec into. I like being zippy and drifting on a dime around even the tightest of corners. These builds also come with a lot of traction which helps for shortcuts and some of the silly tracks.
I never realized there was so much to this game, great explanation of the games systems and how characters / karts work together!
Yoooo thanks for the comment! And keep on keepin on with the Zelda guides man they’re really well put together!
I am using Rosalina on the red bike with red tires with the animal crossing glider. What can I say I am a bike girl. I know it’s not the meta but that’s what I have the most fun on. I like how different everything is now and I am seeing more and more people like this meta way better.
It is very satisfying that the video fades out just as Mario crosses the finish line.
Good editing!
Great analysis, this was actually quite eye-opening. I will say though, as an inward-drift main, it's always a little disappointing that inward bikes are typically overlooked when it comes to meta analysis. The one I'm using right now is Yoshi/Yoshi Bike/Rollers/Clouds, but you could argue some variation in character would be optimal. The real problem for me is that quite a few of these new courses seem to heavily favor karts over inward bikes, which is making me want to make the switch for good.
I've been using Luigi Inkstriker rollers non-stop since the new update. It's become my new favorite build.
i prefer ludwig, mach 8, roller & wario wing
I've seen alot of people complain about the new meta since I play in competitive but tbh, I'm loving the new meta. I've gone from a 1:43.664 to a 1:42.449 on Dragon Driftway because of the Birdo Revolution and it feels amazing!
I know it’s not optimal but for a long time I’ve been using the pipe frame with Mercedes wheels and cloud glider, simply because I like the way it looks/controls
TLDW:
Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser, rollers, cloud glider, and wario, waluigi, rosalina, luigi, or birdo classes
OR, Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser, buttons, cloud glider, waluigi, luigi, or birdo classes.
Alternatives to Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser: for anti-grav, luigi class and inkstriker. For mini-turbo, birdo class and biddybuggy. (Both with cloud glider and rollers)
I'm still using what I've always used, Rosalina (my all time favorite character), the Yoshi Bike, because it mechanical Yoshi lol. Both got a buff so I'm good. Yes its not the most optimal drift type but its what I like and I can still hold my own.
Thanks for the updated video!
It was interesting to hear all the science of the Wave 4 Meta combos now and I didn’t even notice the invincibility stat in Wave 3 until I watched this video.
As what this means for me, I have used the NOW Teddy/Cat Cruiser combos for fun back then when the Wiggler meta was still ongoing. However, I am happy to hear about other optimal builds like the Gold Standard/OG Standard are viable.
I do agree that we’ve entered a more diverse meta and the changes have been for the better.
Thanks for this video Bayseic!
After Ground speed and mini turbo the next best stat for online is definitely weight, and is a big reason why inward drifting bikes are successful at the highest level, so with that being said I would not be surprised if the waluigi class remains meta, just with teddy or inkstriker this time around
Interestingly in the high level Japanese lobbies (specifically Kusaan is someone that I watch regularly) that I have seen in the past weeks, Ink Striker + Yoshi Weight is even more prevalent than Teddy Buggy with Yoshi/Rosalina Weight. Love your content, keep up the good work!
I love the Peach in the Cat Cruiser on Cushion Tires with the Cloud Glider.
So glad they buffed underused stuff instead of just nerfing the meta combos. Using your website I discovered that my preferred build of King Boo, 300 SL Roadster, Cloud Glider and Slim/Roller for speed and mt respectively is now on the Pareto frontier, which is great!
Dude changed a whole game with two videos...twice...the hero we need
I put a TON of effort into this video, and comments like this really mean a lot to me. Thank you!
thanks for the analysis and the site! having so many new options also opens up better per track optimization too. it’s great stats other than mt/sg can be emphasized now
I've been subbed for over a year and this is the first video I've seen pop up in 10 months. I hate the algorithm. You've got that calm and logical voice which makes it easy to hear and understand the more advanced stuff. Like Karl Jobst or Nelson from Chess Vibes.
🙏🙏
If I had a nickel for every time I heard “I’ve even got notifications on and didn’t know you were still making videos”
I’d have a shitload of nickels lol. I don’t know why RUclips hates my channel so much
If anything it will lead to more course specific builds that's great news for the overall at least in time trials but we will still see an online meta settle on afew builds quickly
Nice analysis, Bayesic. Hope we didn't pester you too much. And thanks heaps for updating the website!
Lol nah I had a ton of fun working on this
Yoshi, streetle, cushion wheels, and cloud glider is my jam no matter what.
The funny thing is, I used to occasionally use Teddy Buggy and the Rollers with Bowser before the meta got changed so I am happy I'll be able to use it in the game now with it being more viable! 😄
Thanks for making this video! I’m still using Yoshi/Wiggler/Leaf/Flower Glider, but now I’m inspired to try Yoshi/Cat Cruiser/Leaf/Flower Glider.
Bruh I needed the data science video before the 18😂
I have a office tournment today and I wanted to have a couple of intel about suboptimal but viable builds... damn it
Can't wait to see this video though
Update: I completely misreaded the situation. Most of the people where complete beginners and I demolished almost everyone istantly. Then I felt bad and left my spot to people thst were not tryharding but actually there to enjoy the social event.😭
what a plot twist
this change re-makes history. Hope we get a summoning salt episode on this in a few years
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
I really like to use the yoshi, airship kart, rollers, and animal crossing glider; it seems to be the perfect combination for me
I don't really like pointing out my own credit (kinda narcisistic), but hi, I'm S0NIC130, the guy who gave you the idea for the thinking face.
Just kinda neat how I was able to influence a RUclips video
I've never done that before XP
this is the video i´ve been waiting for, thanks!
As somebody who used to not give a shit about the meta and used Biddybuggy with Rollers just because he likes the extra handling, this is kind of validating, ngl
before this update i used yoshi, yoshi bike, rollers, and cloud glider, so its epic that its now an optimal build
So glad and happy with this patch. I used to use the Flame Rider with the plane parts and crimson wheels or black tires with Rosalina alot. To me it had helped during the waluigi wiggler days in numerous situations though a uphill battle sometimes. I found it compete somewhat. Also item rng was a factor.
But it feels good to play a different combo with a similar taste. This is good patch and hope that wheels get love to at some point. They do make or break a vehicle in my opinion due to it's characteristics and turbo.
I did some research and used some tables to find the best car myself and I actually found out that if you include every factor in the game in a way how important these are you get a different solution: FLAME BIKE seems to be the best body… the rest stays the same. I wonder why this is but if you look at a side by side comparison of the Flame bike seems to be better…
Looking back on this, I must say the community has finally decided that the folllowing combo is the new meta.
Yoshi, Teddybuggy, Rollers/Azure Rollers, Cloud/Paper Glider.
I used Rosalina + all gold parts before, and will continue to do so now. It just feels cool to drive something made completely from gold
Overall this was a great update, but I personally feel like buffing the cruiser class was unnecessary. Link, Rosa, and King Boo were imo the most balanced of the high tiers before the patch and who I recommended for new players (now I recommend standard Mario lol). I also feel a bit bad for the time trialers who've put years into the game having their records outdated now. Overall I wonder where they will go with the balancing after this, part of me hopes they'll revert the invincibility stat since that was mostly applied to combat Waluigi Wiggler which is no longer an issue!
6:10 weight matters a lot. The reason baby buggy was only popular for a bit. They’re super strong if they get ahead but if have trouble getting to the point because the push mechanics in this game is insane. Slows you down a lot and flings you to the point your line is messed up or your off the map.
What is your opinion on the lower tiers of builds and how they are in relation to the “meta” compared to before the update? Is the gap smaller? Obviously skill (and luck) is generally what’ll determine an online win anyway, but I’d like your opinion on how big the deficit is when using non-meta combos. Thanks for the great videos!
My boy Iggy getting buffs is just what I like to see
It's nice to see that Waluigi might still part of the meta! I was very worried he'd be left forgotten just like other times! I want people to see why many people like him and playing as him is one way to see that. So it's reassuring to see he still might get some use in the new meta!
Pre-patch, my build used to be Gold Mario/Pipe Frame/Roller/Gold Glider, but after the patch I switched to Rosalina/Blue Falcon/Roller/Cloud Glider; the handling feels slightly different, and it's definitely more focus towards ground speed, but I've been able to play pretty consistently nonetheless.
Liked the editing in this one
Thanks, I actually put a lot of time into thinking specifically about how to use the editing to make the content more interesting
When I started playing, I kind of prioritised accelaration and if I liked the combo and that is how I got to shy guy/blue falcon/triforce wheels/standard glider. It works perfectly fine for me and I don't intend to change it, but sometimes I do however feel the lack in speed.
I've been using Daisy, City Tripper, GLA tires, and Peach Glider lately, it's got just slightly less speed than the Rosalina meta build but with slightly better acceleration, ground handling, and traction, plus MUCH better invincibility. It's one tick below being pareto optimal, but it's still very good!
Dry Bones,Biddy Buggy, azure rollers, and cloud glider. I've pulled off so many first places with that combo so far and cheese n rice is it nasty when you get a breakaway.
Solid vid brother
I'm running Birdo/Silver Arrow/Off-Road/Golden Glider. Having a blast.
Pre-patch I was using Villager(F)/Jet Bike/Slim/Golden. People give inside drift too much flak.
Great video man, the effort you put into researching, contrasting and showing us the data is incredible. From my experience since I've never been a tryhard in MK, I'll always use what I like the most because skill and decision making outweighs "meta combos" in Mario kart, I'm probably kinda wrong for this but I don't care lol
The only complaint I have now is that the Rollers are still superior and there is no real alternative to them. Would be great if they also buff tires more to get some other tires showing up online
Leaf Tires, Slims, Standards (except Gold Standard), Button tires and Sponge are like the only tires that I think can compete with Rollers
GLA’s with Yoshi Teddy are a good fit too
i've been playing Full Standard Luigi for as long as mario kart has had customizable anything so... idk i dont feel especially vindicated but it's nice to hear that it's ok
I play Mario kart esports for my college great update. I’m number one I’m the conference and your analysis will help me stay there!
My personal preference is what looks and feels good to play, instead of mathematically optimal. With that mindset I landed on Koopa Troopa, B Dasher, Standard, Paper. Good handling, only .5 bars below recommended mini turbo and hilariously high invicibility, which has saved me from blue shells a lot more than I thought it would 😂 I still think this dedication to finding optimal combos is amazing and I'd probably use one of them in a higher level match
Yoshi
Streetle
Leaf tires
Mktv
Gives me a lot of good races and wins lately
I know I said it before but I’ll say it again: God bless you for dropping the shiny
Great video as always,I haven’t kept up with these as much but had to watch this one to get some idea of how to pick in the meta. This video looked super polished too! Not sure how long it’ll take me to adjust away from the classic try hard build but we’ll see
I'm just happy to be able to casually use the wiggler atv without inadvertently feeling like I'm trying to prove something of myself.
I'm so, so happy they rebalanced everything. I always played as Luigi in Mario Kart, and my main combo in 8DX was Luigi+Biddy+Rollers+Cloud Glider. Once I got in the 15-18k VR territory, I found out that I couldn't keep up with other experienced players online anymore, and I switched to the old tryhard build (using DK+Biddy).
Now, even if Luigi+Inkstriker is more optimal, Luigi+Biddy feels finally viable enough! I started using it again, and I must say that I'm placing much better than before.
Also, at the moment there's a lot more diversity online, so even though they partially screwed the time trial scene, I'm happy they did this.
As someone that had just thought “oh instead of 12 Waluigi Wigglers it’s gonna be 12 Rosalina Teddy Buggies”, this was what I needed to hear. Glad to see the game diversify a bit.
I was always a waluigi, Mr. scooty with rollers kind of guy, but dry bones is calling my name somewhere out there. I must find a way
Loved the intro
This is a great breakdown! One thing I haven’t seen explored too much in relation to the speed/MT balance is the role grip/traction plays; I enjoy swapping between very high and very low grip builds for fun, and it feels like it has a bearing on how quickly you’ll charge MT boosts.
This feels relevant now that Comet/Yoshi Bike have also been buffed, because they have identical stats to Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy, so with their narrow angle at the start of a drift + quick charge, maybe snaking becomes viable in some settings (also allowing more speed to be traded off for MT)?
So yoshi bike is meta now ?
@@loxng6801 I mean, it isn’t meta, because the meta seems to favour ATVs over karts, and karts over bikes. Plus inside drift is generally seen as less optimal than outside drift in this game.
I’m mostly just thinking that with the character and kart buffs, it could have its own niche if chaining MTs is substantially more effective with it.
I definitely like how everything is more balanced, but small characters have been left in the dust. They have never been near the best, and I think that should also change. Nintendo should give them a speed buff or something, because they really need it.
Been waiting for this! Thanks!
It's funny. I'm a mini-turbo maximalist so my kart build hasn't changed at all, but I used to play Yoshi casually and Lemmy or Isabelle if I wanted to tryhard, and now Yoshi Biddybuggy has become a new tryhard build all its own, so I'm not sure how I feel about it. Ah well, I destroy nearly everybody I play in-person regardless, so I suppose it doesn't matter.
My stat priorities are
1. Mini-turbo
2. Acceleration and Invincibility
3. Speeds and Traction on 150cc, or Handlings on 200cc
4. Speeds and Traction on 200cc
Which means, yeah, I'm still playing Biddybuggy/Roller/Cloud Glider (Cushion on 150cc specifically is tempting), but I'm now playing Dry Bones on 150cc, while Lemmy is reserved for 200.
Iggy has been my favorite since MK8 on Wii U and I mostly used the red mini tires, flame bike and cloud or bowser glider with Iggy, will definitely try the ink striker, cause it looks dope too and Splatoon is nice! 👌
I use the standard kart and wheels setup but with Luigi. It feels refreshing to be able to pick pretty much any character now
I really have been liking waluigi mach 8 with roller wheels and cloud glider, I use it over inkstriker for better invincibility. And it's so fast while having the same mini turbo as the wiggler.
edit: i saw that if i replaced the rollers on that combo with buttons, than i would get an even 4 in both ground speed and mini turbo and i would also get an optimal build for anti-grav speed to mini-turbo and sense i personally value anti-grav speed over acceleration sense to me you cant get enough anti-grav speed where as with acceleration it has a tendency to curve in usefulness after a point in my testing. i do value mini-turbo over ground speed and thus its importance is shown by optimizing the third most important stat to me around the mini-turbo stat. this can remain true while keeping the mini-turbo stat of the wiggler by swapping waluigi with rosa or link.