Is the 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse a BETTER sports car than a Shelby GT350R?
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2024
- The Dark Horse is all new for 2024 and replaces the Mach 1 in the Mustang lineup. The Shelby GT350 has not been produced since 2020. The Shelby utilizes a 5.2L V8 that pumps out 526HP & the Dark Horse has a 5.0L V8 that churns out 500HP. The winner may be very clear on which is the better Mustang but it isn't as simple as you may think. Is the 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse a BETTER sports car than a Shelby GT350R?
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I don’t even have to watch this video to know the gt350R is the better car. But since I like watching your videos I will watch it in its entirety 😂. God bless Joe.
Bless you as well
For real, my first thoughts
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lol the mach1 track times smoke the 350r the DHorse adds to that smhl
Gt350 is untouchable....
Very good point
GT350 got zonked for the prop rod.
@bretthansen8166 I don't remember this video saying anything about camaros. But I'll play along. Gt350 is better on road or track than the zl1 1le. It's the stiffest car ever made. One rip to the mall and back and I needed back surgery. But by all means the camaro is much better...
@bretthansen8166 I have a 911 gt3 rs that smokes everything what's your point?...
No lies detected
I’ve owned my ‘19 GT350 for three years now and I still get excited when I get in it and listen to the cold start. It’s so fun to drive. I changed the shift knob, steering wheel (carbon fiber/leather) with a flat bottom and resonator delete. The Dark Horse looked interesting, but it’s a solid no for me, especially since I have extended warranty until 2029. The voodoo engine is just so special.
I’ve owned my 19 350 for 3 years now aswell. I’ve already decided it’s a forever car for me. I still get excited to drive it every time I get behind the wheel. Go like hell bro!
I’m Shelby GT500 owner and I like GT350 way more than dark horse. Nice review 👍🥂
For a track car gt350 is better but daily , really cant beat the good ol coyote is so torquey down lown and reliable
I went with the Dark Horse mainly because I believe it to be the better and more modern daily vehicle as my sole car (minus the fiancé's grocery getter). The 350 is absolutely special, but the level of comfort in my DH, even with the HP, is the selling point.
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That Voodoo is music to my ears !
Daily driver - DH is a not a bad call.
Yep as a daily cant beat that good ol coyote ,the coyote is like a stable wife the voodoo is like a impressionable gold digger gf fun to be with but requires all your attention
If youre buying a weekend car, 350 is the way to go 100%. If its your only car, 5.0 GT, Mach1, or DH is the way to go. Voodoo engine is just not reliable enough and much more expensive to operate that its just not worth it if youre sitting in traffic 75% of the time.
I like the looks of the GT350 way more ! I’ll take that one all day long!😉😉😉
I bought a 2016 GT350 when it was only 1 yr. old. I'm now 76 yrs. old and she still makes me grin when I punch that start button. It's really hard to stay out of ticket territory in a car like this. I wouldn't trade it for a dark horse under any circumstances. I'm still looking for some tires that won't break the bank and will last more than 20,000 miles.
Shelby gt 350 is my pick. The new C8 Vette with flat-plane crankshaft engine doesn't sound like American V8. Ford did great job maintaining the American V8 sound with the flat-plane crankshaft engine. And I like the Shelby that has more buttons than the Dark Horse. The metal shift knob is going to be really hot during the strong sunshine days.
Excellent point
The C8 Z06 sounds AMAZING and they have the regular stingray if you want tht American V8 sound plus both versions shit on these fords with under 3 secs 0-60......
@Forever.Remain.Nameless What all I care is if it comes with a manual or not. If I want a car can do 0 to 60 under 3 second, I'd get Tesla S Plaid.
Vettes are tricky to own because it has specific lifting procedures and tires and rims are easy to get destroyed. Regardless of how good a car is if it is not a manual transmission, I am not interested.
@@Forever.Remain.Namelessthe c8 is not reliable and its transmission is crap. Ford GT and Gt500 the goat
Mach 1 with handling pack in fighter jet grey with manual transmission is the way to go.
Dark Horse exterior is incredible and better but GT350 interior is much better
I think you may actually be the first to say that
The interior of the 350 is not better than the Dark Horse
@goldiilockzz7556 I think the reverse lol. But I just love the s550 look overall
Sitting inside of both, the new s650 interior doesn't give you muscle car vibes. More like electric car vibes lol
@@alexfranco6653 I agree with your last point. I myself prefer the modernized look so I’m cool with that. Although I like the interior of the Dark Horse more, that massive screen is something I seriously dislike.
@@alexfranco6653it all boils down to preference mate truth of the matter is automatic also dooesnt give muscle car vibes but most people opt for it ,as long as it has a stick shift and a N/A v8 im not complaining
GT350R and Z/28 are my favorites 🔥
Love the plate on your GT350. I was texting with my son a while back and he said something like "Yeah, major zonk" so I am guessing he is a fan of your channel too.
Great review, Joe! Definitely noticed the kid come out in you as you test drove both vehicles 😁
Hey Joe, I’m so glad you did this comparison you responded me the last time when I bought the brand new GT 350 and let me tell you something mine supercharged and it is insane
Seen the Darkhorse in person twice. People don't understand how upgraded the Mustang actually looks in person. Its a step up. The S650 is about to make 350R owners mad. Lol
Traded a hell cat widebody in on brand new 19 gt350 best car I've ever driven and I'm an old codger I've driven a lot of cars. Puts a smile on my face everytime I get behind the wheel.
My choose is GT350 no doubt. love the analog gage cluster.
Joe, you and Raita's Rides team are master of Rock and Roll by Muscle cars like Mustang.
Very enjoyable. Thank you so much.❤❤
I’m so glad that I can bring the muscle car passion your way
Not even close. The Voodoo engine alone takes the win, but the Shelby is also lighter and has much better feel.
You are spot on the money
omg u got both the cars this time wow! thanks for all the extra work u and ur team does for giving us our favoourite content!!!
I’m so glad you enjoyed this precise content
1000% would not trade mine for the dark horse and can’t understand the price tag, considering I bought the GT350 below MSRP, but I can respect the creativity in marketing.
Pricing is definitely out of control
A Darkhorse is just an overpriced and Glorified Mustang GT !
After the Mach 1, they realized they can charge more if they throw the word "track" in the title.
Ford should be ashamed.
For me id be happy with either one, there both awesome!!!
Great review, Joe! If I were in the market, and didn’t have a 16yo in the house, I would look for a 2019-20 GT350. I owned a 2016 when they first came out, but with tech package. Still, it was an awesome car.
Gracias por compartir este video. Ojalá estos coches americanos nunca dejen de fabricarse. Saludos desde España
I just think the 350 looks better! Such a nice car Joe.
Love the video's and reviews! Keep them coming! I ordered a Dark Horse and it was wrecked in shipping. Ford and dealership were shady though the process, so I have moved on. Maybe going to find a C8 now that the prices are falling significantly.
I’m getting my gt350 delivered in a few days and I’m super excited I’ve been waiting years to save up for this beauty❤ thank you for the reviews you have done on this car it has helped me pick out the right one👍🏼
As a former Siberian husky owner, that is some serious braking performance you are talking about…😂
Your excitement is contagious Joe. From an early on subscriber, this is one of your best videos to date. Love the comparison idea…maybe something to incorporate from time to time?🏁👍
Thanks for the feedback and being on this journey with me!
Thanks Joe! I always love your reviews of the Mustang vehicles. I have a 2018 GT350 and have enjoyed it thoroughly. Your reviews of the Acura TLX Type S also helped me decide on that vehicle for my daily vehicle. I'm partial to the GT350 and enjoy the analog gauges all day long over the digital. Stay On Throttle buddy!!!
Cheers Joe. I have its twin LR273 on the Heritage “R” just mine does have the Carbon Dash. Also at 2200 miles 😎 It’s going to be hard to match this car’s performance and experience. Love the video.
That is so fantastic! You have good taste
I'm normally a tech guy, but in this case, it's the GT350R for me. I think those giant screens look really silly and companies need to figure out how to make real dashboards again with screens integrated into them, not looking like they're just glued on.
Im team Dark Horse Joe, however, rumor has it a Shelby is coming down the line for the S650 platform. That should be a game changer....
I have a 16 with the technology package and Magna ride. You don’t need the handling package with the Magna ride. I test drove both 4 years ago when I purchased my car and it drove better as a daily driver than one with the handling package.
I love the GT350R. One of my dream cars.
Hey Mr. Raiti! Have a great day! Best car reviewer on YT. Period
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The thing about technology is that in 5 or 6 years, that dash in the Dark Horse will be outdated, old, and slow, that's just the nature of how fast technology moves, just look at your phone, it was fast and wonderful when it was brand new, after 3 or 4 years, the operating system is slowing down, it's buggy, and slow, while the analog in the Shelby GT350R will be timeless, it doesn't need over the air updates, new operating system, etc... When Bugatti introduced the Chiron, as journalist asked the President of Bugatti, why they are still using an analog dash while everyone is going digital. He replied "well, take any bmw or mercedes you bought 10 years ago, the digital screen, the navigation, all the touchscreen, it was wonderful, fast, and responsive, but the problem with technology is that it's moving at lightning speed. Today, that 10 year old technology is outdated, so when we sat down with our engineers, we want our interior to be timeless, 10 years from now, 20, 30, 50, it's still timeless".
Keep your Shelby, Joe. Love the Dark Horse, especially the exterior color, but the Shelby is better for pure driving experience. I also love the retro individual gauges that give you the vital info you need most instead of the movie screen. And yes, go Michelin!
Shelbys are just special you can’t get any better. Being an owner of a 2007 Shelby GT/SC I don’t think I’d ever get rid of it.
I love your GT350R Joe!! Awesome car!! 👍🏻👍🏻
I really appreciate you saying that
Call me dumb, but I think for a forever car a prop rod isn’t horrible. Those hood struts will sag after some years. Prop rod always works
I'm going with the GT350R. After driving a 1966 GT350H, I was hooked!
Oh man you are a lucky dog!
GT350 all day between the two. I would even choose the Mach 1 over the Dark Horse. The new interior on the 24’s is hideous.
I definitely know it is not for everyone
The Shelby screams more rpm’s. I prefer the dash on the Shelby……………and nothing can touch the Shelby name, IMO. Sounds a little Porschey from the interior ? Awesome video/comparison. One of your best videos ! 👍👍
I'm a hugh fan of the GT350 Mustangs. I thought the Voodoo would continue in future performances Mustangs, but have you ever wondered why the Voodoo hasn't been used in other performance Mustangs or a GTD series Stangs or was ever offered as a crate engine. Could it be reliability? I believe Ford is offering to replace engines in the 2018 models that have engine issues. I'm not sure if other years are are included. The GT350 series are fantastic Mustangs but the Dark Horse with the new Gen 4 Coyote is also a fantastic and more refined Mustang tuned for a limit of 7500 RPMs likely due to government regulations. If you want a Dark Horse racecar. Order a Dark Horse R without a back seat. You'll be able to compete in the IMSA Dark Horse racing series but unfortunately not drive it on the streets. When tunes become available for the S650 Coyote. The new Coyote will likely be an 8000 + RPM engine without a speed limiter. The Coyote is known for handles boost without issues like the special built Coyote based engines that run in the Coyote class in the NHRA. You'll find turbo Coyote's making 6 second high revving wheel standing passes. No matter your choice. If your a fan of the Mustang. They're both fantastic Mustangs that offer V8 performance. Thanks Ford for keeping the V8 Mustang alive while continuing to improve and add new models to the Mustang. I'm anxiously waiting for the GTD to hit the track for it's performance numbers. Your a winner owning either Stang.
I keep hearing about the lack of manual temp controls. Another Mustang U-tuber mentioned he uses voice command to manage this system without using his fingers.
Joe, what made you choose the 350r over the 500 ? was it purely the availability of a manual transmission ?
The gt350R just looks better I’d pick the gt350R especially with the stripes
You have great taste
I prefer the 350R. I'm fine with the technology in the 350R. I prefer the older screen in my 2017 which is similar to the 350R. I actually would have the rear seat as I've used it on several occasions. Yes I have smaller friends who fit fine.
Great video. I love my 2020 GT350R. I tried to get a heritage but they were gone or crazy money. I had a 2021 GT500 CFTP - solid it because I love the GT350R that much more. Sure the GT500 is faster but man the GT350R is just amazing. Now, how does your GT350R compare to the ZLE?
Joe, Love your GT 350 R! It’s all about Power to Weight…For a handling car. The GT 350 R is like “The Elvis” of Car Business, you may try to copy or imitate it…but you won’t ever touch it, even with new technology!!! Great job, Steven… you rock the camera man!!!
The dark horse badge kinda looks like an Amazon Chinese belt buckle NGL
GREAT VIDEO MY FRIEND!!!!!!! SO GREAT!!!! WE NEED MORE LIKE YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for this video. My budget is about 65k and this video helps make my decision more clearly. I was thinking on getting a gt premium and adding the whiple supercharger..but the tremec manual transmission only comes in the dark horse . At the end that voodoo engine is special along with the car . 👍🏼
Been waiting for this and as usual Joe didn’t disappoint. That sound in the GT350R is unmatched imo. Thanks Joe! ✌️
Great job Joe. Love your videos, great attention to the details. The GT350r gets my vote. That sound is amazing!
Joe, it’s glad to see your GT 350R remains stock, I feel like I was only owner of a Mustang without tints lol.
I would do dark horse because used GT 350’s can be tricky.
Plus used GT 350’s are insanely expensive.
I love all of your Mustang videos. I was part of the effort to convince Ford to let Walker Ford sell you a 350R. It was an exciting time. As you say there is a Mustang for everyone. My EcoBoost premium is right for me.
2021 Mach 1 VS. 2024 Dark Horse would have been the better review.
A Shelby GT350 is in a whole different league. I would sale my Mid 600RWHP 6 speed Supercharged 2020 GT for one and then boost that, but they are few and far between and the asking price for one is crazy.
I felt the same about the aluminum dead pedal in my car, I bought and recommend you get a stick on one, it's made of aluminum and sticks right onto the dead pedal, makes it match the other pedals. mines been on it for years and still looks as good as the other pedals. Made by American Car Craft, stainless material brushed. Trust me on this, easy mod.
I totally agree on the new Mustang screens, they ruin the interior.
Nice video Joe ,I have a 2022 dhelby gt 500 shadow black the best feature is lots of twinkie storage 😋😋
I like the different gauge options on the Dark Horse, my favorite being the Fox Body gauges!
I like the way that you think!
Wow its been a while since a comparison! I’d take the dark horse cuz of the looks and real sporty dark look this is fire 🔥
I appreciate you enjoying this one!
GT350r will be in my garage next to my 13’ Boss 302!
Viva the Ford Mustang and the the Shelby GT350r!
I love the way you think Luis!
@@RaitisRides Yes Joe thanks!
This review made me Smile , both cars sound fantastic
Local dealer has a Dark Horse in the showroom with a sticker of $87k. what a joke! I'll buy a C7 Z06 and have money left over for 2 yrs of gas!
Then buy a C7 or c6😂
love yurr reveiws mr.joe!!!!!always look 4wards 2 you getten 2the dead pedal on any car...ITS ALWAYS ..ZONKED!!!!!..hillarious.........
Joe, you did a really fantastic job on this comparison between GT350R and the Dark Horse. Both are really good cars. Each of us will have are own bias when it comes to choosing a car. Thanks for the perspective. Very worthwhile!
There’s your Baby Joe! 🤙🤙😎🐍🐍🐍 I also have a Heritage “R”. No way would I trade for the DarkHorse!
Yes sir! I love her!
@@RaitisRidesI have a Heritage “R” as well. # 180. I know exactly how you feel! 🐍🐍🐍
@@RichGT350rgreat minds think a like
The GT350R is my dream car 100%. I still haven't seen one in person I want to though I live here in Maine and I've never seen one but that dark horse ain't touching the 350R that ain't happening I believe the 350R has the voodoo engine high revving flat plane that's a nasty car I've seen people twin turbos pushing 1300 nasty great content my friend be safe much love and all the respect
Great video. Love the sound of the 350
The plate on the GT350R is so perfectly a Joe thing, I give it a 10
I got leather Recaros in my 18 GT, which is the best Mustang value wise u can get.
Great video Joe 🔥🔥🔥
Great Comparison Joe ..
I’m liking the GT 350 but both are amazing cars.
Just watched the video, I have a 2020 Shelby GT350 and I just love the car. I bought it from a guy that wanted a 2023 Corvett instead, it had 5240 miles and always covered. came with the supper snake cover, and a small voodoo crank showpiece.
I just love it... only a nice day car... Dark red with black stripes.
That is so very wonderful!
Haven’t had the chance to try the 350 yet. But great video !
I prefer the GT 350 but the ones I've found have engine modifications and to me that's a big problem when it comes to buy a pre owned car.
Hey Mr raiti I was wondering I’m trying to do the same thing and review cars but can’t be super big right now what’s some advice you could give me? And also what kind of insurance do I need to show when I test drive these awesome cars like you are doing? And how much does that cost if you can get back to me great if not all respect to the channel it’s great
I saw a GT350R heritage edition at C&C last weekend. Absolutely stunning spec. I know the Dark Horse is a better performance car, but there's no way in heck I'm taking one over a heritage edition GT350.
Good call Christen!
I'm a mustang guy but with the new redesign I'm thinking of going c8 instead. What do you think Joe c8 or dark horse
C8 Z51
2016 Mustang gt350 started at 49k, yep you heard that right, dark house 60.............something seriously wrong with car prices today.
Inflation. The gt350 cost 60k used today min 😅😅
The GT350R Heritage all day long, especially if bought new (I know no longer possible). Personally I prefer to buy new, especially with a performance car. You don't know how a pervious owner took care of their car, what they did , what they didn't do, what they're hiding etc.. Both great cars the GT350R and the Dark Horse, but the GT350R is obviously more of a raw/analog sports car, will be more collectible vehicle over the long-haul. I like the more Camaro-like exterior styling and chassis improvements of the new S650 over the S550. However the digital dash wraparound flat screen cockpit, not for me. Too electric vehicle like for me. Always appreciate the honest reviews/comparisons.
Ooh i do like the dash and gauges better on the Shelby!!!
New things are always nice. I've sat in the new s 650. I love the looks of everything the car has to offer. But I'm 57 years old and was never into video games and technology. I just don't have a love for the big screens and think most of us would like to have seen them integrated into the dashboard.
Love your reviews so much that your videos a few years back is what pushed me over the edge to buy a GT350. Picked up my 2020 GT350 Heritage Edition (chassis L0393) from Napa Ford in April 2021. It sat at the dealership since they ordered it in 2020. I live in Southern California and drove up north (with my trade-in) to pick it up. It was the BEST drive back to SOCAL along the PCH I ever did. 3 years later, I still love it and wouldn't trade it for anything else.
100% recommend a GT350 (R or non-R) over the new Mustang. Get 2019 or 2020, as the second gen 5.2L motor replaced the 2015-2018 powerplant. Then replace the stock air filter with a Ford Performance filter, install oil catch cans, and call it a day. If you get a non-R, the exhaust will be tamer as there are two resonators before reaching the mufflers (still sounds good, but not as loud as an R.) That's probably the only invasive modification I will do to mine.
Keep the videos coming and when you're back in Cali, let us all know!
Looks and performance and fun all go to the gt350
Joe you mentioned early in the video that you were going to attempt to be unbiased. Did you succeed? 😀 Of course your GT350R heritage edition is going to be the superior vehicle. Nevertheless I like the exterior of the Dark Horse better. The IPads attached to the dashboard on the Dark Horse have to go although I would take the regular leather seats over the recaros. Excellent comparison video. You should compare your ZL1 1LE to the GT350R. Wonder how many miles on the odometer you have on each car?
The only reason I’m choosing the Dark Horse because the interior it’s a new upgrade then any other mustang ever had. I feel like driving a BMW from the inside but hearing the American v8 from the outside sound gives you chills 😅😊
the Shelby is more raw, thus more fun! imho.
That is not a question, Shelby GT350R wins in all categories
But thanks for pointing it out
Broooooo the Shelby is a badass 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Thanks brother!
I’m already seeing a lot of the 2024 eco-boost in Phoenix & my coworker as a convertible gt in grabber blue
Great Review...Joe. But the GT350 is going down in History as one of Greats. The Dark Horse is Cool (and I'm certainly glad it's still here). But the Dark Horse is like last Generation Mach 1. Nice but kinda a Parts Bin Car. The GT350 is Special from the Body to the Engine...
(And I agree with Jay Leno. Prop Rods never ...Fail😅)
I got my eye on a 2016 gt350 track pack … 12,000 miles mint condition and fair price …. Any thoughts if I should pass on this ???
Joe and Lori and Steve keep up the good work real true and I love the video real true 👍
Not even close the GT350! The sounds that come out of my GT350R are magical. Cannot wait for the Cobra and GTD.
Vinyl stripes are a big zonk….
Trust me I Know
Is the 2015 Overland the best value for your money? I think so, but I was concerned about rattling.
Oh wow!
Thanks Joe, great video as always!! With all of your connections at Ford, can you get a question answered for me? My Dark Horse order is on hold because the Handling Package is currently not available but is still an option. Is there any information on when the Handling Package will be available to order? Thank you for your help!!
It’s a crappy situation to be in I know but unfortunately now it’s just a waiting game. I know because I waited a year and a half to get my heritage edition ford bronco
Gt350r is such a modern classic.
You are spot on that one
Not an apples to apples comparison. Really should have been the Dark Horse with handling pack to be fair. That said I’d take the Dark Horse. The Coyote is waaay more robust than the Voodoo and there is so much more you can do with it in the aftermarket than you can do (should do) with the GT-350 R. Plus it’s far more compliant as a daily driver. AND anyone that thinks it looks like a Camaro need to check themselves. The Dark Horse is ALL Mustang and it looks like one. In fact it gets its modern interpretation of its rear quarter panel design from the ‘69 Fastback. So let’s set the record straight, the Camaro looks like a Mustang!
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