I don’t think I’m the only person reviewing Mr. Harrell’s older work. Has anyone noticed, either his editing is absolutely seamless, or he nails his presentation in one go, and also without notes? Simply amazing.
Amateur shooter here. I've watched 100's of videos from probably as many shooters. Just started watching Harrell's videos. I have learned more from EACH one of his than all the others combined. He is a true teacher and his knowledge is unparalleled. Outstanding!
I come away from Paul's videos feeling better informed with solid facts as opposed to hearsay and bias. Anyone can spout a little history lesson on their channel after a little reading and web surfing, go out hit some balloons and bottles, chuckle and act like their wise. Paul obviously comes from serious life experiences and has the credentials to back up what he says; because he is a professional and that should be apparent in the way he speaks, shoots and does a methodical break down and analysis. I am willing to bet that a lot of FBI folks are tuned into his channel, just wouldn't surprise me.
The difference between these two calibers for me is this: Right now, there is a 2 box limit on 45acp (and 380acp and 9mm) at my store, and that's if there is even any for sale which is often not the case. At the same store there is a pallet with over 20,000 rounds of .40 s&w sitting on it. So no matter what the ballistics are of any caliber, I'll take the one I can shoot today.
This is something we are all learning. I bought 9mm weapons years ago because they are so common and I thought finding ammo would be easy. In a crisis, I've found that common ammo is not at all commonly available. Less popular caliber ammo is more available. Availability is key.
@snoopy dubnation If you are worried about the very real possibility that a civil conflict occurs soon, and you can either get armed with 17 HMR or be unarmed, then yes. But also buy ammo for your other guns any chance you get.
My buddy and I bought firearms this year he bought a 9mm and a AR. Arm and a leg for ammo. I got the judge which fires .45lc or 410 and a .40; ammo everywhere for less then either of his firearms.
Paul once picked up 12 ribs, 6 t-shirts, 24 soda jugs, 6 watermelons, and 6 pig ears. When the clerk asked him what he was gonna do with all of those bizarre items, he simply said: "You be the judge.".
I agree. What is more, he never calls someone stupid for anything, even when he demonstrates the flaws in someone else's thinking. Paul is a true professional!
МЭF15ТФFДL VЄЯↁЦИЅНДЄL are you being sarcastic? If not, there is another great RUclips show where a guy shoots pots, hence the smoking pot comment. If you know, you know.
A buddy was buying a pistol at a local shop a while back and he told me the story. A guy mentioned that he wanted a self defense pistol but it had to be accurate to 60 yards. And some other guy spoke up and said, "if you think 60 yards counts as self defense, what you'll need is a really good lawyer.". That popped up in my brain when you mentioned 60 yard bulket drop.
I work for police (IT) they often have engagements farther than that. If you can't hit a target that far you need to train more at least to hit 50 yards.
As always very thorough. I was trained in the early 1970's, the old FBI style, revolvers out to 60 yards. In real life my longest gunfight was 12 feet, 3 under 10 ft and 2 at about 4 ft. Believe it or not I was trained to use a 1911 out to 100 yards. I've used only used 2 calibers in those gunfights a 357 S&W model 27 and a 1911. As good as both those calibers are, I cursed my stupidity for not having my 870 12 ga. Fortunately for me the good Lord and luck kept me safe.
@@douganderson7002 From the 70's till the late 90's when we locked up enough people, the crime rate was crazy high and shootouts/gunfights were not uncommon for police. Casualties were high also till body armor became commonplace . Its absolutely possible that the poster had that many incidents over a career. If it was say 20 years , that is one every 3 years which isn't that many for the era.
I love how logical, calm and intelligent you are, in any subject you choose to discuss. It shows your due diligence on the matter, and your dedication to truly educating people. Specially in a field, which involves potential lives at risk. Thank you, and keep up your fantastic work.
+georgjohnsmith: You could answer your own question to your own satisfaction by WATCHING some Paul Harrell videos. But you just sound like an attention-seeking troll, so please trundle off & get lost. Thanks.
+Michael Shapiro. Dear Michael, exactly how f***** up your "life" is? How desperate you must get to defend a youtuber from an obvious joke? Do you also smash the heads of children on the street when you hear them laugh?
You are a absolute gem to the documentary presentation enjoying gun nuts. I really appreciate your dedication, it's like watching PBS, when PBS was PBS.
If the objective of a .40 S&W was to get .45ACP like performance out of a 9mm framed pistol, as opposed to outperform a .45 ACP, I'd say the round delivered in spades.
The objective was to be the middle round between a 9 mm and a 10 mm. And it performed perfectly. Unless it is just too much Pistol for you and I'm not mocking you I'm just saying unless it is. The 40 Cal is the best Pistol hands-down
@@pendragonshallgot to agree I found myself using the 40 I bought for dirt cheap then most of my 9mms for carry. More power for the off trade of a slightly smaller ammo capacity? I will take it every day of the week.
You have to wonder what the cashier at his local grocer thinks of him though, when every time he comes in he buys thirty two litter crappy sodas, watermelons, oranges, and pork ribs.
This is by far the most exhaustive comparison of the 40 vs 45 cartridges done by anyone. Great job and thank you for all of the effort it takes to make a presentation like this!
Got both, love em both. If I was forced to choose though I'd have to go with my .45 1911. It's a little more high matinance but I can shoot it better and I feel like it will last longer than my .40 m&p2.0. I love my smith and it's very accurate and reliable but of the 2 the 1911 wins because of the materials, great trigger and my ability to shoot it with great accuracy.
The price issue is the ammo, 45 acp ammo cost more than 40 sw and less available than the 40 sw, gun price is about the same if you are not trying to get a 1911. But why would you get 45 acp and not have it in 1911? 45 acp is a preference caliber for self defense. In terms of capacity, price, practicality, and EDC , 9 mm and 40 sw are much better than 45 acp. 45 acp 1911 is for gun enthusiasts. I have a 45 acp 1911 just to have it, I switch between glock 26 and 27 for EDC. At most I'll use the 1911 at the range for fun and as a backup gun for home defense. But I train extensively for self defense with 9 mm and 40 sw.
Paul is awesome. Although I have shot for nerly 50 years, I always learn something from his videos, and especially appreciate the fact that he conveys knowledge without preconceived notions or unnecessary drama.
You can do it too! Most people just don't take the time to train (or have the facilities) for accuracy at a distance. Here's how my range session looks like when working on accuracy. 1. Loosen up, do some dry fire practice and draw/present from holster. 2. Shoot a patch. 1" patch plastered on a IPSC target, from 10 feet, shoot it completely off the target. Take all the time and rounds you need. 3. Move out to a distance from which you can still see the bullet holes. Put up a bright, contrasting, post-it sticky at the center of your IPSC target. Draw from holster and put one bullet thru the post-it. Repeat and increase speed gradually (push yourself to failure), replace post-it as needed. 4. Do the same drill with a 6-8" steel plate for instant feedback. Start at 10 yards and work your way out in 5 yard increments. 5 hits on the steel = move back. Balance speed and accuracy. Quality in every shot. 5. Fun drill of the day to finish off the ammo. Not too ammo intensive but very effective. Soon you'll be hitting that 8" plate at 50 yards and the IPSC target at 100. Best of luck!
Years ago I was ok at 50 yards at a man size target with a 6" barrel Model 27. Typically one flyer, two either near misses or hits in non-vital areas, and three solid hits. With an autoloader, I'd be lucky to keep half the shots on the paper. Then I watch Paul with great groups at 50 to 100 yards. And Jerry Milchliuk (spelling?) Hit a ballon at 1,000 yards on his second shot with a stinking 9mm. They make me feel so bad about myself being a pathetic little excuse for a shooter. Then I perk up because it means I just need to practice more!
"and I'll shoot from 60 yards". Dude you are my hero. I don't know anybody able to casually say and shoot that far away right past their camera like it's nothing. Haha. Your channel is my go-to for thorough information.
Have carried both as duty weapons. Trained 100s of officers on both. Had better results with marginal shooters with the 45 vs the 40. I preferred the 45 over time only because the 40 caused more parts failures for our special ops shooters and officers who took advantage of shooting a lot at ur range. Good video Paul.
Paul is the best. I love how he states the 21 does not fit his hand as well but then proceeds to shoot the 45 more accurately both fast and slow and then knocks down the metal more quickly with the 45.
I carry a PPQ loaded with Fed HST 165 GRAIN .40 and it is pretty devastating to anything I've shot with it. I certainly wouldn't want to get hit by it.
In general both rounds are not the same. Didn’t even know they made a .45 that light. If both rounds do happen to be similar then round count is the next determining factor (some would say it should be the preliminary factor) and with that being said, .40 always wins.
@@徐银伟 Watch this video. Maybe a new solid-copper projectile from Lehigh Defense would interest you, more than the caliber wars. ruclips.net/video/ClJcJ8LQFbQ/видео.html
A very good presenter based on fact, not emotion. What I learned is that I don't need a 40 in addition to the 45 I had. I'd feel the same if the reverse were true.
A great round in 9 mm is just as effective. There’s less than three or four percentage points difference from the best nine to Either 40 Cal or 45 Cal, if you don’t get the best round possible for the 10 mm it’s worse than the other three
Exactly right. I could only see minimal benefit between the two. If you're below average stature (body weight) go with the .40 and enjoy two extra shots and 5-10 yards of accuracy. If you're larger stature, go .45 and enjoy the benefits of .40 over .38 (9mm) with even greater close in destruction. .45 doesn't feel awkward to me despite average or smaller stature. The weight is comforting and returns the sight ti true faster despite the added recoil. It's more about how you play the fiddle than who made the damned thing.
I just watched this on my big screen, but had to comment so I went to my laptop. I have learned more from you Paul, than all the other experts that I have been exposed to, and truly you are not only knowledgeable, but one hell of a shot. Thank you for your educational videos.
@@TechAndMotorcycles No, that is not what he said. They are remarkably similar in all aspects. What he said was to choose what is most comfortable for you and best fits your budget. That he would not feel "under-gunned" with either. Other than the grip size, the AMMO you choose will largely dictate which one performs better.
Concur wholeheartedly. Only discovered this channel a couple days ago. Extremely informative, well-spoken, great demonstrations and, most of all, eschews all the tacticool crap prevalent on RUclips.
The Stoned Videogame Nerd That actually did make me snort... 🤣 Need to spread the word on this channel. I've actually **learned** more in the dozen or so so videos I've watched than I have in years. Actually reminds me of when I first started learning to shoot as an adolescent, only obviously more advanced. No BS, no "this cartridge sucks and you're a loser for using it," no tacticool machismo 💩 and absolutely no attitude... packed with perfect humor.
Hey folks, lets promote this channel in the comment section of other gun channels...just to give other gun enthusiasts a chance to learn ..rather than just getting questionable entertainment
Well said, it's obvious many gun channels on YT are just "tacticool entertainment" consisting of an overly long "show and tell" with ZERO real world ballistic testing unlike Paul's videos.
+kriz zzz I don't know, if people are still watching some of those other gun channels, many of them, then I'm not so sure they have the right stuff between their ears to be watching this one.
I love your videos! They are very informative. Ever since I was in the Corps in the mid 60’s and in Vietnam I’ve always felt comfortable with the 1911. I always qualified expert with one and I have large hands so I like larger guns. I did however purchase a Beretta 92 in .40 caliber. I also loved it because of its size. I did however give it to my son when he went into the police academy. He still has it 20 years later.
Great video Paul. This was interesting to me because of my 36 years as a LEO I carried the G21 for about 7 years and then the G22 for about the next 7 years until I retired. If I was given a choice I would have continued to carry the 21 but due to varying hand sizes in the department it was decided we would all be issued the 22. Even though I preferred the 21, as you stated at your conclusion, I didn't feel under gunned with either weapon. It was definitely more reassuring carrying autos over revolvers due to number of rounds in the gun and faster reloading.
Paul: This .45 has a huge grip that doesn't fit my hand well, and it has a lower ammo capacity. *Commences to shoot the 45 faster and more accurately than the other handgun.
A similar thing happened in his Walther PPK/S vs. Bersa Thunder 380 video; He talked about how much more experience (a decade plus if I am recalling correctly) with the PPK/S he had, and that the Bersa had a horrendous trigger. He then proceeded to shoot a tighter grouping in his accuracy test with the Bersa. There are definitely a few head scratchers every now and then with Paul's vids; my favorites are his ammo tests where he tests an ammo that supposedly is very effective according to ballistic gel tests (like on lucky gunner labs), but end up being sub-par on the meat target.
@@keithgraham9547 It must come down to weight and balance. It may feel uncomfortable in terms of grip but perhaps the heavy barrel and magazine well give a solid return to original position while the .40 floats more?
@@keithgraham9547 well, Lucky Gunner is replicating the FBI's testing methods. Paul is going at it from a medical perspective, which frankly I put more stock in than a block of Jell-O. So far, that I know of, there have only a small handful of, as Paul calls them, "hyper ammo" that have performed equally well in both tests; the one that comes to mind is the 40 S&W Winchester Ranger T-Series. In my opinion, the Lehigh/Underwood .380 Extreme Defender gives the .380 a much needed boost to it's viability...and I say this going off of both gel tests I've seen, and Paul's own meat target tests. But aside from concealed carry, I'd rather go with .40 or .45 ACP. Yes, I know of the much repeated line from the FBI report stating modern 9mm is equal to a .45...which smells like horseshit. There's got to be something omitted (like bean counting, and lesser training), because from everything I have researched, which admittedly involved a lot of staring at Lucky Gunner tables, the best 9mm hollow point out there, that penetrates to about 14 inches or greater in gel, expands to about .65 of an inch or the width of a dime. The best .45 ACP, same penetration depths, expands to 1 inch, or about the size of a quarter. The best .40 does .85 of an inch, about a nickel. Now I may not have passed discreet mathematics in college, nor trained at THE academy, but I damn sure can tell ya a quarter is bigger than a dime, all things being equal...sorry, went off on a huge tangent there...
@@keithgraham9547 No worries. Stay safe out there, my guy. I can try to answer some of your questions to the best of my knowledge, but keep in mind it could just be my own opinion on the subject as well as I could just be plain wrong so a grain of salt and all that. 1. They probably don't, but all everyone talks about is "FBI gel test" and you see quite a few other ammo testers replicating it including the heavy denim layers. As for the penetration performance, you can find all sorts on all calibers on youtube; generally, performance varies not only between calibers, but also between different ammunition of the same caliber as well as shot placement. Most modern walls, on the other hand, like drywall and vinyl siding don't do jack against high power rounds other than clog hollow points, and maybe make them tumble, but in terms of stopping non-birdshot bullets; no. 2. Miami-Dade is what lead to the gel tests to begin with. As for the recoil of a .40...depends on the shooter, but also the gun. 40 S&W simply has a greater recoil impulse than a 9mm, that's just math; bullet weight, case capacity, weight of the gun, muzzle energy, velocity, etc. For some people, that will always be a thing...like making the Live Long and Prosper hand gesture; some people can, others can't for the life of them. A gun designed around the 9mm or 357 sig, and simply converted/upscaled to 40 will have more recoil and snap. But a gun designed around/for a 40, or a greater caliber and converted down, can mitigate that to being almost equal to a 9mm, and you can see that in some other shooter reviews on youtube; for instance, one that comes to mind is hickok45 and the (discontinued, sadly) ruger sr40c. 3. I wouldn't doubt it. 4. Yep. Cost is a mean mother...but also training time. I read/heard a sobering statistic, it's veracity I haven't followed up on and just took it for granted, that most police officers will hit about 3 shots out of 7 or 10, or something like that, when under stress. That's...chilling, quite frankly. If you have that little training time, whether chugging out officers from an academy to meet demands or whatever, it's no wonder you'd want the cheapest, most common, and decent performing round vs recoil you can buy. 5. Yeah, I have a hard time digesting this as it could leave a company wide open should the whole "preferred caliber" thing shift again. It's the same as if Toyota only improved the Camry and left the rest of thier fleet untouched. It's just dumb. 6. That I don't know. I would think they'd have a high regard for it, but then you could run into penetration issues, so it's a balancing act; one that they probably don't want to disclose too much of in fear of backlash and liability. For me, all 3 major calibers have thier places: 9mm is a combat/war round. If you're going on patrol or a mission where weight is an issue, it's more economical to carry 17 rounds of a lighter caliber vs 7 rounds of a heavier one in an equal number of mags...plus, when you got bullets snapping by your ears every .2 seconds, you aren't gonna take the time to make sniper accurate 1000 yard shots. They will be aimed of course...but not that well, so more ammo is a good thing. 40 to me is a law enforcement round. As a LE, your more open to liabilities during a show of force compared to, say, a soldier in the middle of a siege. You want to put a viable threat down as quick as possible, whether by psychological stop (wow, I'm shot, I'll sit down now), or physical stop (head/spine shot, or blood loss...and a bigger hole bleeds more than a smaller one) And .45 is a civilian round. As a civilian, you have the most liability so you better be damn sure you need to draw your gun, and put the threat down in as few holes as possible lest some hot shit, overly ambitious prosecutor tries to spin the facts to turn you into a serial killer to boost his conviction rate.
Hey Paul. Just wanna say I love your videos. They are no bullshit. You make things pretty blunt & seem really non biased, which I greatly respect. God bless you. Keep up the good work!
Saving people money and time Thank you for the most realistic tests and explanations. I have noticed the comments are positive above average on Paul's channel compared to others I see. That's pretty good consistent content quality.. I can not emagen the work that goes in to these videos. There should be RUclips creators taking notes.
Remember, something reloaders have know forever, every gun is an individual with individual preferences. This is a fact, so even if he tests the same model you have that ammo might not be the best fit for your individual gun, ( whether it’s barrel is rifled or not and whether you loosely call it a weapon or not). Still there’s a LOT of value in his presentations.
Bottom line, to each their own for caliber (whether it be 9mm, 38spl/357mag, 40s&w/357sig, or 45acp), buy some quality ammunition, and train. Doesn't matter it you have a 22LR or a 500S&W Magnum if you can't hit the intended target's vitals.
For new Paul Harrell viewers: This video is a classic example of his Master Class in the subject matter of this episode. All of the elements are here, breaking everything down to where you will learn even more from this video in a few years from now when you watch it again. Few channels on YT pack more information into these case studies that bring you back to review them multiple times. We, the initiated, encourage you to dive in and keep learning. You will also get a chuckle or two along the way as a bonus. Yes, he was an amazing marksman. Paul was and still is the best of the best. Thank you, Paul. Thanks, Roy, for keeping the channel going.
And experienced too. Seeing as he was in the military (marines and then national guard) for twenty years and took several schools and qualifications. He is also well versed in teaching at he was an instructor before. Blend that all together with his style, you get a great RUclips channel.
Back in 2014 I was buying my first handgun - the S&W Shield. I called Academy and asked if they had one in 9mm - they only had one in .40. I was hesitant but bought it anyway. I'm glad I did. I know many rag on the .40 saying "what is the point? Etc" It's been good for me and so has the S&W Shield platform! Of course I also have a different model S&W 9mm pistol as well as a 9mm PCC. Never bought a .45 as I never saw a need for it - same with 10mm. I have a .357 revolver and a Glock 357 Sig - so no need for a 10mm or 45 , etc. I feel the .40 is close enough to a 45 and the 357 is close enough to a 10mm.
I can’t believe you are gone brother I remember being a kid wanting to learn about guns you showed me so much you tought me so much a true master at work rest in piece
I carry a Colt 1911, 8 round magazine . Yes old school ,I have had the weapon since I was in the army 30years ago. I carry two spare mags . If I need something more powerful with more rounds I will go get a rifle. K.I.S.S . Principal. Great video thanks.
I love to carry my Springfield Range officer under my jacket in a WW2 tanker style holster during the winter months. I've heard all the excuses like ammo capacity with the 1911 but the fact is I don't shoot anything else as well as that gun and if 8 rounds of 45 acp isn't enough you'd probably be screwed anyway.
@@wagstag89 that's for sure 👍. The guys that need 17+ rounds really don't know how to shoot they just fire Thier gun towards the object to be stopped knowing they have that many rounds to fire off and sadly to say they will still probably miss Thier target. I have a S&W 40 with two 14 round magazines and doubt it very seriously if I have to use it fire more than 4-5 rounds unless there are a bunch of bad guys then I will need those other rounds, but I never think of just firing until I run out that's just stupid. Shit placement is key and you might have to fire two rounds of JHP'S .
@@brianb900 great be comfortable with what you carry, I love my 40 S&W SDVE , No recoil to me and I'm very comfortable with everything about it, wouldn't trade it for anything else.
Thank you Mr. Harrell, your videos are very informative. What I take away from this is, these two calibers are very similar, with the .45 ACP being a bit more robust. I have both calibers in my collection and feel confident carrying either one.
I myself have noticed that when I shoot both my 40 and 45 the recoils are slightly different. The Glock 23 has more snap to the recoil while the 30 feels more like a push back against the hand.
every able mind should be aware using barbeque meat for target practice is against all universal goodwill and should be punished with a vegan diet for life.
I much prefer the .45 in a 1911 which has a better size grip, and is better all around than the .40 with any frame, even with fewer rounds. Hand size and comfort makes me want a 1911 which I have shot for 50 years. Personal preference is always subjective. Thanks for all you do Paul. I always learn something.
This video needed to exist. People like to say the .45 ACP is dead and obsolete, but based on the following demonstration, .40 and .45 are neck in neck. It was like watching the .22 LR vs .25 ACP Pocket Pistol video you made a few years back; the differences between the two are minimal at best and weight and fair comparisons shine a clearer reality of the calibers. If I can afford to own it, shoot it, and it fills my intended roles, it works. Period. Thanks for landing another blow to the Caliber debate Paul 👍🏼.
Wasabi Kicks Yankee Marshall calls it 45 aarp and says it's old technology. Then again that's coming from the guy who says the Chiapas rhino is the best concealed carry gun.
Nick Harrell Chiappa Rhino's are aesthetically unique in a sci-fi kind of way. But I don't believe they are worth the price. It's an attempt at reinventing the wheel when the wheel is already functional, of course there are always different materials you could use to make the wheel that make it fresh or bring it into the modern age, but it will still function just as well. That aside, no one can really sit there and tell me the .45 ACP is not effective, Nor can they say the same for the 9mm. I use to regularly carry a .25 ACP and it was effective to me based on its highly compact size and light recoil (ammo prices suck to say the least) but it wasn't a range rat. With proper handling, training, and fair knowledge of human anatomy ANY caliber can be made effective. Especially if we observe Paul's studies and factor in ammo selection.
Some youtubers are always looking for a way to get more views, not to provide the best and most trustworthy content. TYM is relatively gun smart, but like a guy who's been hanging out on forums for years (which he has - I remember seeing him on those like 12-14 years ago now), not like a guy with a lot of training or experience. He is a 'hobbyist', i.e. someone who has the money to buy a lot of guns and enjoys looking at them and talking about them... more than shooting them. When was the last (or first) time you saw him shoot? His creds are paper thin and his near-use of force (brandishing at an intersection) story is pathetic. Like a train wreck I can't help watching some of his videos when bored and at least he has the balls to voice some controversial opinions, but it's the contrarian and troll in him more than the thinking man. His video on the .45 ACP is a joke made purely for the controversy, just like Yeager (an old TYM man crush) and his "1911s suck" or "the .40 sucks" ones.
My Name Is Legion I absolutely agree. When it comes to firearms I like to think I keep an open mind, primarily due to budget constraints and also because a lot of firearm selection is trial and error. In the beginning I had a tendency to underrate firearms I already owned and pick ones that didn't suit my needs. From .40 to .380 to .25 to 9mm to .25 again the issue didn't become the caliber in my case but what worked for my circumstances and budget. The .25 ACP works for me based on concealability and recoil, but I hate the price of ammo and I already have given my reliance to a Brand or model that is not particularly well made, but works as needed (and just based on my experience alone Jimenez Arms and Ravens are stellar and more reliable than Rohm). I learned that through trial and error. I'm just fortunate that it didn't happen when it actually counted and my circumstances didn't have me smack in the middle of a bad neighborhood again. Sometimes all we have is what we know to educate others and help them along. I will never discourage someone from a .25 if It works for them, I will give them my most humble recommendation because of my strange romance for the little Caliber, but the same goes for any gun; get what suits the user, practice and train regularly, and apply knowledge to any and all scenarios. I always recommend Paul because his videos pertain to the realism not the Bearded, Tatted fantasy of Duke Nukem wanna be's: Everyone wants to kick ass and chew gum, but few want to use common sense and logic.
The Rhino is certainly interesting. I've never shot one, but I want to. I want to feel the difference in felt recoil from a 6 o'clock firing position. It's definitely not worth the price, but it'd be nice if that kind of innovation was more prevalent and more accessible to us common folk.
When the .40 S&W first came out I was enthused about having an auto with .45ACP power with more cartridges in the mag. That was a long time ago. Advances in ammo design and capabilities really narrowed up the difference between 9mm, 40 and 45. Still boils down to the specific ammo.
Another plus for me is that,at least round my way,I consistently find more ammo for the .40 than all of my other pistols with different calibers.In these times, it’s a big plus
These videos are great references. This might be the third time I’ve watched this one over the years and I learn something new every time. Good, solid, practical demonstrations of firearm capabilities. Thank you for your gift Paul. It truly keeps on giving.
Dammit Paul ! If I shot as well as you do, I'd probably be comfortable with a 25 caliber pistol ! Thanks ever so much for efforts. Please keep up the great work for us .
16:07 Too funny, seeing the first set destroyed , then the second set Obliterated, literally lmao at the bottles , each shot got sequentially wilder results. This is entertaining and Paul explains things so that you aren't left with a dozen questions at the end, thorough and to the point, very informative.
Absoultley the best Gun instructor for learning about Guns and ammo on the internet. HIS Method and analytics are extremley helpful. MOST OF TNE OTHER CHANNELS are now where near his ability and level of expertise. I always leave his videos with valuable knowlege not just gun hype and faux machismo. HIS EXPERTISE IS CLEARLY VISABLE AND his teaching is extremely effective.
That Man was brilliant, he took time to format things so the average person could understand exactly what he was doing, and he did real world tests. I hope someone continues this. We need his style to keep going.. rest in peace, PAUL you will be missed
Second video I've seen of yours, the first one was about an hour ago, "Beretta 92FS and M9 Accuracy". Been on youtube for years watching shooting vids and never seen your channel. I'm now new subscriber and fan.
In my personal opinion. The 40 vs 45 is like the 9mm vs 38spl. They are similar in a lot of ways but also different enough that you'll want to do shooting with each caliber to see what you like. Personally I carry a 40s&w almost all days of the week besides Sunday when I got to church, I carry a snub nose 38spl +p to hide it better in my clothes
thanks so much Paul, first time handgun buyer and this video (along with other sources) helped me to decide what caliber to go with. Ultimately I went with an M&P 40. Thanks for your excellent work.
I'm late to the show and just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago. I have missed out. Great channel, great information, and I have been learning 👍 So thank you.
I grew up with .45 acp in the 1911 platform. So I have a emotional attachment to that caliber and platform. Considering all the ammo selections available I think it really comes down to which you shoot more accurately than anything else. So carry what you shoot best might be the best approach?
What you shoot the most is likely the best as long as it is a "good" round. I'm a big revolver fan and love to blast .44 mag and shoot it the best. But for carry a .38/.357 would be better but strangely I shoot 9mm very well. If I were to carry, (I'm Canadian and so I'm prohibited to do so, although I probably wouldn't even if I could) I'd go with .380 or 9mm to fit my lifestyle. Some people can carry a slim and powerful.45 1911, I'd opt for the same pattern but in .380 or 9mm.
berserk7111 you realize black powder is very easy to make right charcoal salt Peter and something else boil your urine to get salt peter charcoal well I don't need to help with that I forget last ingredient haven't used this since like high school chemistry.
The nice thing about getting old is that you can watch one of Mr. Harrell's videos, wait three months, and then watch it all over again, just like you're seeing it for the first time!
Im halfway through this video and this guy knows how to truly put a side-by-side measurement on film. I should have subscribed sooner - will be my go-to researcher for ammo and weapons
I love how Paul shows off his shooting skills without "showing off". Great Videos! If I'm ever in a gun fight, I'm gonna want Paul and Hickok45 with me. I'll just crouch down and let those two boys do what they do!
Awesome test, done very well thanks. I stuck with the 100+ year old 45 acp through all these new calibers. Overall the gun manufacturers seem to be trying to re invent the wheel. Over and over it doesn’t seem to be that much difference, I’m not running to the gun shop to trade in the old 45acp just yet. Probably never will trade it in. Sometimes the newer calibers don’t mean there better. Great video.
I suppose I'd fallen for the myth that the .40 was hot but getting hit in the thumb with a .45 would take a shoulder off. The results were surprising because I expected to see a much greater disparity between the two, but as per your demo, the difference wouldn't be worth worrying about in a fight. I like and appreciate your videos. Lots of empirical data with a good blend of common sense. Thank you.
i know right? its almost as if two cartridges packing similar KE do the same amount of damage. And in his other tests like 357 sig vs 40 and 357 mag vs sig, that bullets with more KE do more damage. Its almost as if KE makes an a difference which is completely contrary to the 9mm glags assertions.
My wife was watching this over my shoulder as I watched in my office. She said after.... "Hey... YOU'RE packing more.... not drastically more... but DEFINITELY more" LOL. And that's what I call love =] Great video and data as always... more than thorough. I think you hit the nail on the head by explaining that ammunition selection seems to be the most significant choice.... rather than caliber. I personally carry a 9mm. It's a micro compact with 13 +1 capacity which is stellar. Tiny, comfortable to carry and very concealable... even in shorts and a t shirt. I shot many different brands of ammo till I found the one that produces plenty of damage and I'm able to shoot very accurately. It checks all the boxes for me and I'd trust my life with it.
Great vid! Kinda just proves wat I've always said when comparing the two.With modern ammo they are almost identical. But with the .40 you can get .45 performance in a smaller , lighter weapon and have added ammo capacity. I'll always be a .45 guy, but for concealed carry, the .40 just makes more sense mathematically and comfortably. That is just my opinion though. I still carry a 45 sometimes in the winter when clothing and holster choices are more conducive to a larger CCW.
The muzz velocity of the .45 was impressive. In the military ('73), I think my M1911 sidearm muzz velocity was always around 830 fps. Better ammo !! Thank you Paul.
Since he passed, going back through his videos. Timeless. His legacy lives on.
May he Rest In Peace...
Same. RIP Paul! I'm thankful for all the knowledge & humor he shared with us over the years.
Same here
Rest in professional.
I explained to my wife who he was the day he went, even she was getting teary.
I don’t think I’m the only person reviewing Mr. Harrell’s older work. Has anyone noticed, either his editing is absolutely seamless, or he nails his presentation in one go, and also without notes?
Simply amazing.
I find jump cuts to be tedious. Yes, I really can talk for that long. Thank you for noticing.
He's a natural good teacher.
Based
i used to photograph and edit vid.
his is flawless. his scene shifts is the only way i can tell ANY KIND of ''blips.
The presentation with no notes…I suspect is a reflection of his comfort with the subject matter. Dude knew his stuff.
RIP, Paul.
Thank you for your knowledge and education.
Amateur shooter here. I've watched 100's of videos from probably as many shooters. Just started watching Harrell's videos. I have learned more from EACH one of his than all the others combined. He is a true teacher and his knowledge is unparalleled. Outstanding!
I wouldn't consider myself amateur. But he is definitely my favorite gun youtuber. He does great demonstrations
Amen ,amen 😁
Now go shooting and stop watching others shoot!
He’s not here for reviews, or just showing off guns, he’s here to teach
He's the Chuck Norris of utube gun channels!
Is this guy a great teacher or what? You be the judge!
I was thinking the same thing. On one of his previous videos, I was actually thinking he just might have one up on Hickok 45. No offense to Hickok
Scott Duross I've always thought Paul was the better educator on practical matters, while Hickok is a better educator on historical matters.
I come away from Paul's videos feeling better informed with solid facts as opposed to hearsay and bias. Anyone can spout a little history lesson on their channel after a little reading and web surfing, go out hit some balloons and bottles, chuckle and act like their wise. Paul obviously comes from serious life experiences and has the credentials to back up what he says; because he is a professional and that should be apparent in the way he speaks, shoots and does a methodical break down and analysis. I am willing to bet that a lot of FBI folks are tuned into his channel, just wouldn't surprise me.
Taurus should steal that line to promote their Judge revolvers. I'd like a T-shirt that says "You be the judge"
I ALWAYS loved that type of teaching. A teacher that doesn't give you the answer but shows you results and lets you judge.
The difference between these two calibers for me is this:
Right now, there is a 2 box limit on 45acp (and 380acp and 9mm) at my store, and that's if there is even any for sale which is often not the case.
At the same store there is a pallet with over 20,000 rounds of .40 s&w sitting on it.
So no matter what the ballistics are of any caliber, I'll take the one I can shoot today.
This is something we are all learning. I bought 9mm weapons years ago because they are so common and I thought finding ammo would be easy. In a crisis, I've found that common ammo is not at all commonly available. Less popular caliber ammo is more available. Availability is key.
@snoopy dubnation If you are worried about the very real possibility that a civil conflict occurs soon, and you can either get armed with 17 HMR or be unarmed, then yes. But also buy ammo for your other guns any chance you get.
My buddy and I bought firearms this year he bought a 9mm and a AR. Arm and a leg for ammo. I got the judge which fires .45lc or 410 and a .40; ammo everywhere for less then either of his firearms.
That is a pretty small pallet really, a bit more than 700 lbs. I would say that is a reasonable plan, though I enjoy shooting 40 anyway. Enjoy!
what state are you talking about ?
Paul once picked up 12 ribs, 6 t-shirts, 24 soda jugs, 6 watermelons, and 6 pig ears. When the clerk asked him what he was gonna do with all of those bizarre items, he simply said:
"You be the judge.".
LOL... Good one.. But, think about the clerk whois seeing this 'order' on the weekly..
Haha Underrated.
🤣🤣🤣💯👍🏿
Wrong, the clerk is a fan and already knows.
"... I'm gonna do some number crunching."
Paul is amazing. He presents you with data and always says "you be the judge."
He does not press his opinion on you.
He does many types of tests for each gun, and each round.
I agree. What is more, he never calls someone stupid for anything, even when he demonstrates the flaws in someone else's thinking. Paul is a true professional!
Checker at store: "That man goes through more soda than anyone I've ever seen. I wonder how he stays so skinny..."
Clothing Store: This man sure loves his fleece!
diet soda?
Atleast he isn't always smoking pot like another youtube gun channel I won't name. How does that guy even hit a target after smoking so much pot.
МЭF15ТФFДL VЄЯↁЦИЅНДЄL are you being sarcastic? If not, there is another great RUclips show where a guy shoots pots, hence the smoking pot comment. If you know, you know.
@МЭF15ТØFДL V3ЯↁЦИЅНДЄL oh, is that why he's not around anymore?
He was a good shot, but kinda annoying.
Just found this channel. Not disappointed.
It's NEVER too late to find this channel.
You both have cool channels. Yeah you gotta love some good ole paul harrell content.
Welcome
Well I am. For not finding it sooner.
One of the best you tubers on guns
A buddy was buying a pistol at a local shop a while back and he told me the story. A guy mentioned that he wanted a self defense pistol but it had to be accurate to 60 yards. And some other guy spoke up and said, "if you think 60 yards counts as self defense, what you'll need is a really good lawyer.". That popped up in my brain when you mentioned 60 yard bulket drop.
Coming back to read this after the Greenwood Mall shooting with Elisjsha Dicken's response to that
Lmao
I work for police (IT) they often have engagements farther than that. If you can't hit a target that far you need to train more at least to hit 50 yards.
You could be locked up for defending your own home from within.. if you let em
@@ThrashTillDeth85it was 40 yards but your point still stands
As always very thorough. I was trained in the early 1970's, the old FBI style, revolvers out to 60 yards. In real life my longest gunfight was 12 feet, 3 under 10 ft and 2 at about 4 ft. Believe it or not I was trained to use a 1911 out to 100 yards. I've used only used 2 calibers in those gunfights a 357 S&W model 27 and a 1911. As good as both those calibers are, I cursed my stupidity for not having my 870 12 ga. Fortunately for me the good Lord and luck kept me safe.
Unfortunate for the other guy that the lord didnt like him as much.
Ok "Dirty Harry".
@@douganderson7002 From the 70's till the late 90's when we locked up enough people, the crime rate was crazy high and shootouts/gunfights were not uncommon for police. Casualties were high also till body armor became commonplace . Its absolutely possible that the poster had that many incidents over a career. If it was say 20 years , that is one every 3 years which isn't that many for the era.
I'm thankful not to be in that line of work
Did you notice any diference in effectiveness using the 357 mag vs 45 acp?
I love how logical, calm and intelligent you are, in any subject you choose to discuss. It shows your due diligence on the matter, and your dedication to truly educating people. Specially in a field, which involves potential lives at risk. Thank you, and keep up your fantastic work.
"logical, calm, and intelligent"? He has got Henry Kissinger eyes. The cold, dead eyes of a... never mind.
+georgjohnsmith: You could answer your own question to your own satisfaction by WATCHING some Paul Harrell videos. But you just sound like an attention-seeking troll, so please trundle off & get lost. Thanks.
+Michael Shapiro. Dear Michael, exactly how f***** up your "life" is? How desperate you must get to defend a youtuber from an obvious joke? Do you also smash the heads of children on the street when you hear them laugh?
You are a absolute gem to the documentary presentation enjoying gun nuts. I really appreciate your dedication, it's like watching PBS, when PBS was PBS.
When Maggie did yoga & Julia added butter & wine
Pbs has become probable Bullshit story..I used to love it. when even PBS shit all over orange man,I shut my TV off for good fk it..
I miss PBS
He's certainly the Bob Ross of the gun world.
If the objective of a .40 S&W was to get .45ACP like performance out of a 9mm framed pistol, as opposed to outperform a .45 ACP, I'd say the round delivered in spades.
Not at all. .40 was supposed to perform better than 9mm in the 80's and not be as punishing as the 10mm. The .40 did it's job.
The objective was to be the middle round between a 9 mm and a 10 mm. And it performed perfectly. Unless it is just too much Pistol for you and I'm not mocking you I'm just saying unless it is. The 40 Cal is the best Pistol hands-down
@@pendragonshallexactly. Perfectly said.
@@pendragonshallgot to agree I found myself using the 40 I bought for dirt cheap then most of my 9mms for carry. More power for the off trade of a slightly smaller ammo capacity? I will take it every day of the week.
Excellent presentation as always! I am always down with the no nonsense, just present the facts style. Paul Harrell Rocks.
have to fill the blocks with cement
You have to wonder what the cashier at his local grocer thinks of him though, when every time he comes in he buys thirty two litter crappy sodas, watermelons, oranges, and pork ribs.
40 always has great penatration and exspantion every single time .
"I'll let you be the judge"
Not something you'll hear from many gun channels.
My 3 year old daughter watches Paul's videos with me. She calls him "Paul Harrell, the Gentleman".
Sounds like a great start!
That's amazing
Haha very cute
Goals
I have been a long time pistol shooter (78 yo) and one thing I can say is, you are a heck of a pistol shot.
Good job Paul.
This is by far the most exhaustive comparison of the 40 vs 45 cartridges done by anyone. Great job and thank you for all of the effort it takes to make a presentation like this!
Based on this excellent fact based video, I can’t justify from a pricing point, buying a .45. I am satisfied with my .40 S&W.
I bought the .45
Got both, love em both. If I was forced to choose though I'd have to go with my .45 1911. It's a little more high matinance but I can shoot it better and I feel like it will last longer than my .40 m&p2.0. I love my smith and it's very accurate and reliable but of the 2 the 1911 wins because of the materials, great trigger and my ability to shoot it with great accuracy.
Use what u shoot well..
Pricing point ? They’re about the same tbh. I can find 45s cheaper a lot of times actually
The price issue is the ammo, 45 acp ammo cost more than 40 sw and less available than the 40 sw, gun price is about the same if you are not trying to get a 1911. But why would you get 45 acp and not have it in 1911? 45 acp is a preference caliber for self defense. In terms of capacity, price, practicality, and EDC , 9 mm and 40 sw are much better than 45 acp. 45 acp 1911 is for gun enthusiasts. I have a 45 acp 1911 just to have it, I switch between glock 26 and 27 for EDC. At most I'll use the 1911 at the range for fun and as a backup gun for home defense. But I train extensively for self defense with 9 mm and 40 sw.
Paul is awesome. Although I have shot for nerly 50 years, I always learn something from his videos, and especially appreciate the fact that he conveys knowledge without preconceived notions or unnecessary drama.
Chelonia Mydas I like that he gets to the point
Or idiotic incessant fake laughing...
Videos like this just reaffirms why this is my favorite youtube channel!
The Kentucky Patriot one of my favorites too. I love how Paul methodically goes through his demonstrations.
Same here & HICKOK 45 Also my 2 Favorites Period
Paul is the best.
I am so sorry for the loss of such an icon of gun enthusiasts!😇🇺🇸
I love Paul and his particular approach and experience!😎🇺🇸🔥
Did we just get through a Paul Harrell video with NO rain?!
In Oregon, August is the dry season :)
kmoecub You mean the fire season? GP, living it every day.
Ya. This is a really bad fire year. It hadn't gotten so bad when I commented earlier.
That's what I said! It's either Raining or Snowing! This Man needs a vacation! LOL!
No snow either! WOW.
60 yards with a pistol, that's impressive! You be the judge...
Lol I been shooting at a 50 yard target ...(.45,44 shotguns variation s.) Measurements sayyy closer to a hundred...
It is impressive....hickok45 does it at 80yrds
You can do it too! Most people just don't take the time to train (or have the facilities) for accuracy at a distance.
Here's how my range session looks like when working on accuracy.
1. Loosen up, do some dry fire practice and draw/present from holster.
2. Shoot a patch. 1" patch plastered on a IPSC target, from 10 feet, shoot it completely off the target. Take all the time and rounds you need.
3. Move out to a distance from which you can still see the bullet holes. Put up a bright, contrasting, post-it sticky at the center of your IPSC target. Draw from holster and put one bullet thru the post-it. Repeat and increase speed gradually (push yourself to failure), replace post-it as needed.
4. Do the same drill with a 6-8" steel plate for instant feedback. Start at 10 yards and work your way out in 5 yard increments. 5 hits on the steel = move back. Balance speed and accuracy. Quality in every shot.
5. Fun drill of the day to finish off the ammo.
Not too ammo intensive but very effective. Soon you'll be hitting that 8" plate at 50 yards and the IPSC target at 100.
Best of luck!
Years ago I was ok at 50 yards at a man size target with a 6" barrel Model 27. Typically one flyer, two either near misses or hits in non-vital areas, and three solid hits.
With an autoloader, I'd be lucky to keep half the shots on the paper.
Then I watch Paul with great groups at 50 to 100 yards. And Jerry Milchliuk (spelling?) Hit a ballon at 1,000 yards on his second shot with a stinking 9mm.
They make me feel so bad about myself being a pathetic little excuse for a shooter. Then I perk up because it means I just need to practice more!
I used to compete in siluette shooting for magnum handguns and shot 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters. It is all about zero when you get to those distances.
Exceptional teaching skills, speaks in laymen’s terms!!! Great job Paul!!!
After I watch 'em, I often find I've watched 'em again, just a year or 2 later. & worth it! 👍
"and I'll shoot from 60 yards".
Dude you are my hero. I don't know anybody able to casually say and shoot that far away right past their camera like it's nothing. Haha. Your channel is my go-to for thorough information.
I been mistake shooting at 85_ 100 yards for 20 years ....over water
@@rustybird4955 🍪 for you
Have carried both as duty weapons. Trained 100s of officers on both. Had better results with marginal shooters with the 45 vs the 40. I preferred the 45 over time only because the 40 caused more parts failures for our special ops shooters and officers who took advantage of shooting a lot at ur range. Good video Paul.
Hi, I know this comment is quite old but could you tell us what kind of firearm you were using? Glocks? And what parts would fail?
Really love that Paul merely gives you the facts and when it's all over tells you YOU BE THE JUDGE
paul's butcher is his biggest fan
i Hope you BBQ after taping!
and the guy who sells bags of oranges on the corner.
Seth B lol
His Shasta salesman too
About the bar-BQ, lots of lead in that food.
;-)
Paul is the best. I love how he states the 21 does not fit his hand as well but then proceeds to shoot the 45 more accurately both fast and slow and then knocks down the metal more quickly with the 45.
The best comparison I've seen of these two.
Well done.
Both calibers with quality hollow point ammo that's proven to expand well, are sledgehammers on human targets.....can't go wrong with either.
I carry a PPQ loaded with Fed HST 165 GRAIN
.40 and it is pretty devastating to anything I've shot with it. I certainly wouldn't want to get hit by it.
In general both rounds are not the same. Didn’t even know they made a .45 that light. If both rounds do happen to be similar then round count is the next determining factor (some would say it should be the preliminary factor) and with that being said, .40 always wins.
@@markdavidson1049 Bias always wins. Setting up a comparison without bias, requires people with preferences to make their own determinations.
Hi, i am wondering if a hollow point round will be inferior in penetration than its fmj counterpart?
@@徐银伟 Watch this video. Maybe a new solid-copper projectile from Lehigh Defense would interest you, more than the caliber wars. ruclips.net/video/ClJcJ8LQFbQ/видео.html
One advantage of the. 40 is that it can fit onto a 9mm frame and still offer good capacity.
In my opinion.
I love my m&p 40 2.0 compact. 13 rounds of 40 S&W
It also feeds in 9mm mags.
@@analogueoverdigital929that is not the case, a mag for 9x19mm will not feed .40SW because.40 is 10mm in diameter
A very good presenter based on fact, not emotion. What I learned is that I don't need a 40 in addition to the 45 I had. I'd feel the same if the reverse were true.
Need's got nuthin to do with it. LOL!
@@poppys3728 Amen.
Get the .45 so you can have a big ball going downrange. Keep the .40 so you can convert to ..357 Sig
A great round in 9 mm is just as effective. There’s less than three or four percentage points difference from the best nine to Either 40 Cal or 45 Cal, if you don’t get the best round possible for the 10 mm it’s worse than the other three
Exactly right. I could only see minimal benefit between the two. If you're below average stature (body weight) go with the .40 and enjoy two extra shots and 5-10 yards of accuracy. If you're larger stature, go .45 and enjoy the benefits of .40 over .38 (9mm) with even greater close in destruction.
.45 doesn't feel awkward to me despite average or smaller stature. The weight is comforting and returns the sight ti true faster despite the added recoil. It's more about how you play the fiddle than who made the damned thing.
Paul Harrell is by far the best most informative person I’ve ever seen on RUclips. Great video.
I just watched this on my big screen, but had to comment so I went to my laptop. I have learned more from you Paul, than all the other experts that I have been exposed to, and truly you are not only knowledgeable, but one hell of a shot. Thank you for your educational videos.
“Well, if the goal was to get me wet, I’d say the .45 was a lot better.”
I love random out of context quotes
Is that what she said?
brett ramsey I believe so.
@@TechAndMotorcycles she said 4.5 lol
@@TechAndMotorcycles No, that is not what he said. They are remarkably similar in all aspects. What he said was to choose what is most comfortable for you and best fits your budget. That he would not feel "under-gunned" with either. Other than the grip size, the AMMO you choose will largely dictate which one performs better.
@@chucknorton5064 45 had a little more internal implosion.
The best gun related channel on YT. Thanks for your service.
I agree! I have a gun video up on my channel.... I pretty much stopped the gun aspect after checking out this amazing channel lol
Concur wholeheartedly. Only discovered this channel a couple days ago. Extremely informative, well-spoken, great demonstrations and, most of all, eschews all the tacticool crap prevalent on RUclips.
worddunlap yeah he a cool old timer gunslinger good no bs channel
the humor is also a plus.. no narcissistic bs, always with a grain of humor:)
The Stoned Videogame Nerd
That actually did make me snort... 🤣
Need to spread the word on this channel. I've actually **learned** more in the dozen or so so videos I've watched than I have in years. Actually reminds me of when I first started learning to shoot as an adolescent, only obviously more advanced.
No BS, no "this cartridge sucks and you're a loser for using it," no tacticool machismo 💩 and absolutely no attitude... packed with perfect humor.
Since watching his videos. I always wear a fleece jacket. Perfect bullet stop.
Thank you Paul. God bless.
Hey folks, lets promote this channel in the comment section of other gun channels...just to give other gun enthusiasts a chance to learn ..rather than just getting questionable entertainment
Well said, it's obvious many gun channels on YT are just "tacticool entertainment" consisting of an overly long "show and tell" with ZERO real world ballistic testing unlike Paul's videos.
+kriz zzz I don't know, if people are still watching some of those other gun channels, many of them, then I'm not so sure they have the right stuff between their ears to be watching this one.
kriz zzz I think a lot of why is that his videos are long and technical. A lot people just want easy entertainment.
Great Idea for a damn good channel.
Ok
I love your videos! They are very informative. Ever since I was in the Corps in the mid 60’s and in Vietnam I’ve always felt comfortable with the 1911. I always qualified expert with one and I have large hands so I like larger guns. I did however purchase a Beretta 92 in .40 caliber. I also loved it because of its size. I did however give it to my son when he went into the police academy. He still has it 20 years later.
Beretta 96?
Lol... Cool story. That's funny.
Great video Paul. This was interesting to me because of my 36 years as a LEO I carried the G21 for about 7 years and then the G22 for about the next 7 years until I retired. If I was given a choice I would have continued to carry the 21 but due to varying hand sizes in the department it was decided we would all be issued the 22. Even though I preferred the 21, as you stated at your conclusion, I didn't feel under gunned with either weapon. It was definitely more reassuring carrying autos over revolvers due to number of rounds in the gun and faster reloading.
Paul: This .45 has a huge grip that doesn't fit my hand well, and it has a lower ammo capacity.
*Commences to shoot the 45 faster and more accurately than the other handgun.
A similar thing happened in his Walther PPK/S vs. Bersa Thunder 380 video; He talked about how much more experience (a decade plus if I am recalling correctly) with the PPK/S he had, and that the Bersa had a horrendous trigger. He then proceeded to shoot a tighter grouping in his accuracy test with the Bersa.
There are definitely a few head scratchers every now and then with Paul's vids; my favorites are his ammo tests where he tests an ammo that supposedly is very effective according to ballistic gel tests (like on lucky gunner labs), but end up being sub-par on the meat target.
I think the bone in the meat target is the key. Ballistic gel only simulates flesh
@@keithgraham9547 It must come down to weight and balance. It may feel uncomfortable in terms of grip but perhaps the heavy barrel and magazine well give a solid return to original position while the .40 floats more?
@@keithgraham9547 well, Lucky Gunner is replicating the FBI's testing methods.
Paul is going at it from a medical perspective, which frankly I put more stock in than a block of Jell-O.
So far, that I know of, there have only a small handful of, as Paul calls them, "hyper ammo" that have performed equally well in both tests; the one that comes to mind is the 40 S&W Winchester Ranger T-Series.
In my opinion, the Lehigh/Underwood .380 Extreme Defender gives the .380 a much needed boost to it's viability...and I say this going off of both gel tests I've seen, and Paul's own meat target tests.
But aside from concealed carry, I'd rather go with .40 or .45 ACP. Yes, I know of the much repeated line from the FBI report stating modern 9mm is equal to a .45...which smells like horseshit.
There's got to be something omitted (like bean counting, and lesser training), because from everything I have researched, which admittedly involved a lot of staring at Lucky Gunner tables, the best 9mm hollow point out there, that penetrates to about 14 inches or greater in gel, expands to about .65 of an inch or the width of a dime.
The best .45 ACP, same penetration depths, expands to 1 inch, or about the size of a quarter.
The best .40 does .85 of an inch, about a nickel.
Now I may not have passed discreet mathematics in college, nor trained at THE academy, but I damn sure can tell ya a quarter is bigger than a dime, all things being equal...sorry, went off on a huge tangent there...
@@keithgraham9547
No worries.
Stay safe out there, my guy. I can try to answer some of your questions to the best of my knowledge, but keep in mind it could just be my own opinion on the subject as well as I could just be plain wrong so a grain of salt and all that.
1. They probably don't, but all everyone talks about is "FBI gel test" and you see quite a few other ammo testers replicating it including the heavy denim layers. As for the penetration performance, you can find all sorts on all calibers on youtube; generally, performance varies not only between calibers, but also between different ammunition of the same caliber as well as shot placement. Most modern walls, on the other hand, like drywall and vinyl siding don't do jack against high power rounds other than clog hollow points, and maybe make them tumble, but in terms of stopping non-birdshot bullets; no.
2. Miami-Dade is what lead to the gel tests to begin with. As for the recoil of a .40...depends on the shooter, but also the gun.
40 S&W simply has a greater recoil impulse than a 9mm, that's just math; bullet weight, case capacity, weight of the gun, muzzle energy, velocity, etc. For some people, that will always be a thing...like making the Live Long and Prosper hand gesture; some people can, others can't for the life of them.
A gun designed around the 9mm or 357 sig, and simply converted/upscaled to 40 will have more recoil and snap. But a gun designed around/for a 40, or a greater caliber and converted down, can mitigate that to being almost equal to a 9mm, and you can see that in some other shooter reviews on youtube; for instance, one that comes to mind is hickok45 and the (discontinued, sadly) ruger sr40c.
3. I wouldn't doubt it.
4. Yep. Cost is a mean mother...but also training time. I read/heard a sobering statistic, it's veracity I haven't followed up on and just took it for granted, that most police officers will hit about 3 shots out of 7 or 10, or something like that, when under stress. That's...chilling, quite frankly. If you have that little training time, whether chugging out officers from an academy to meet demands or whatever, it's no wonder you'd want the cheapest, most common, and decent performing round vs recoil you can buy.
5. Yeah, I have a hard time digesting this as it could leave a company wide open should the whole "preferred caliber" thing shift again. It's the same as if Toyota only improved the Camry and left the rest of thier fleet untouched. It's just dumb.
6. That I don't know. I would think they'd have a high regard for it, but then you could run into penetration issues, so it's a balancing act; one that they probably don't want to disclose too much of in fear of backlash and liability.
For me, all 3 major calibers have thier places:
9mm is a combat/war round. If you're going on patrol or a mission where weight is an issue, it's more economical to carry 17 rounds of a lighter caliber vs 7 rounds of a heavier one in an equal number of mags...plus, when you got bullets snapping by your ears every .2 seconds, you aren't gonna take the time to make sniper accurate 1000 yard shots. They will be aimed of course...but not that well, so more ammo is a good thing.
40 to me is a law enforcement round. As a LE, your more open to liabilities during a show of force compared to, say, a soldier in the middle of a siege. You want to put a viable threat down as quick as possible, whether by psychological stop (wow, I'm shot, I'll sit down now), or physical stop (head/spine shot, or blood loss...and a bigger hole bleeds more than a smaller one)
And .45 is a civilian round. As a civilian, you have the most liability so you better be damn sure you need to draw your gun, and put the threat down in as few holes as possible lest some hot shit, overly ambitious prosecutor tries to spin the facts to turn you into a serial killer to boost his conviction rate.
Paul, you deserve way more subscribers. Your gun channel is the most informative that I have found.
After several weeks of debating this issue in my head I resolved it by getting multiples of each. I feel MUCH better now!
Hey Paul. Just wanna say I love your videos. They are no bullshit. You make things pretty blunt & seem really non biased, which I greatly respect. God bless you. Keep up the good work!
Maybe blunt, but not angry. I appreciate that!
Saving people money and time
Thank you for the most realistic tests and explanations.
I have noticed the comments are positive above average on Paul's channel compared to others I see.
That's pretty good consistent content quality.. I can not emagen the work that goes in to these videos. There should be RUclips creators taking notes.
Paul is hard to argue with, so the people who want to troll go to troll the less civilised gun RUclipsrs...
Good content breeds good communities
replying to keep this at the top.!!
search.... Paul Harrell Rebuttal
it is an hour of don't F with me.!!!
Remember, something reloaders have know forever, every gun is an individual with individual preferences. This is a fact, so even if he tests the same model you have that ammo might not be the best fit for your individual gun, ( whether it’s barrel is rifled or not and whether you loosely call it a weapon or not). Still there’s a LOT of value in his presentations.
He is pretty amazing. I can't remember my phone number and he's running numbers and stats faster than a auctioneer with a stomach virus.
That's a funny comparison. I like it🤣🤣🤣
Self defense at 60 yds takes alot more of explaining...lol!! Thank You really good video 👍👍 👍!!
Paul is definitely what you call an expert. Love his videos. Thanks Paul!! Always great content and demonstrations. Very helpful in every way.
Bottom line, to each their own for caliber (whether it be 9mm, 38spl/357mag, 40s&w/357sig, or 45acp), buy some quality ammunition, and train. Doesn't matter it you have a 22LR or a 500S&W Magnum if you can't hit the intended target's vitals.
@michael p not necessarily.
Amen brother.
Seriously underrated comment.
Ya but screw 380 acp
@@professored7169 there is nothing wrong with .380ACP
I agree with Paul. It comes down to preference and purpose. Great unbiased presentation.
For new Paul Harrell viewers: This video is a classic example of his Master Class in the subject matter of this episode. All of the elements are here, breaking everything down to where you will learn even more from this video in a few years from now when you watch it again. Few channels on YT pack more information into these case studies that bring you back to review them multiple times. We, the initiated, encourage you to dive in and keep learning. You will also get a chuckle or two along the way as a bonus. Yes, he was an amazing marksman. Paul was and still is the best of the best. Thank you, Paul. Thanks, Roy, for keeping the channel going.
Paul is a professor of firearms. Love watching his informative reviews.
And experienced too. Seeing as he was in the military (marines and then national guard) for twenty years and took several schools and qualifications. He is also well versed in teaching at he was an instructor before. Blend that all together with his style, you get a great RUclips channel.
RIP, Mr.Harrell! Your videos are immortal!
Back in 2014 I was buying my first handgun - the S&W Shield. I called Academy and asked if they had one in 9mm - they only had one in .40. I was hesitant but bought it anyway. I'm glad I did. I know many rag on the .40 saying "what is the point? Etc" It's been good for me and so has the S&W Shield platform! Of course I also have a different model S&W 9mm pistol as well as a 9mm PCC. Never bought a .45 as I never saw a need for it - same with 10mm. I have a .357 revolver and a Glock 357 Sig - so no need for a 10mm or 45 , etc. I feel the .40 is close enough to a 45 and the 357 is close enough to a 10mm.
great overview
How do you comment on like every video lol
@@cantsneedgaming4591 the man does his research!
Gunsngear the only gun youtuber with amazing taste in music and guns
I know I’m late on this but the fact that you stayed focus even while getting sprayed is amazing.
I can’t believe you are gone brother I remember being a kid wanting to learn about guns you showed me so much you tought me so much a true master at work rest in piece
i really like how well thought out and executed your videos are!! Keep up the fantastic work!!
I carry a Colt 1911, 8 round magazine . Yes old school ,I have had the weapon since I was in the army 30years ago. I carry two spare mags . If I need something more powerful with more rounds I will go get a rifle. K.I.S.S . Principal. Great video thanks.
If you need more than 16 rounds you must have gone some place you shouldn't have.
I love to carry my Springfield Range officer under my jacket in a WW2 tanker style holster during the winter months. I've heard all the excuses like ammo capacity with the 1911 but the fact is I don't shoot anything else as well as that gun and if 8 rounds of 45 acp isn't enough you'd probably be screwed anyway.
@@wagstag89 that's for sure 👍. The guys that need 17+ rounds really don't know how to shoot they just fire Thier gun towards the object to be stopped knowing they have that many rounds to fire off and sadly to say they will still probably miss Thier target. I have a S&W 40 with two 14 round magazines and doubt it very seriously if I have to use it fire more than 4-5 rounds unless there are a bunch of bad guys then I will need those other rounds, but I never think of just firing until I run out that's just stupid. Shit placement is key and you might have to fire two rounds of JHP'S .
I carry a colt gold cup trophy. I prefer it and it’s trigger over everything else.
@@brianb900 great be comfortable with what you carry, I love my 40 S&W SDVE , No recoil to me and I'm very comfortable with everything about it, wouldn't trade it for anything else.
Thank you Mr. Harrell, your videos are very informative. What I take away from this is, these two calibers are very similar, with the .45 ACP being a bit more robust. I have both calibers in my collection and feel confident carrying either one.
I myself have noticed that when I shoot both my 40 and 45 the recoils are slightly different. The Glock 23 has more snap to the recoil while the 30 feels more like a push back against the hand.
Great video as always! Rumor has it the IWBA and FBI are switching from ballistic gel to "the meat target".......:)
And don't forget the high tech fleece
every able mind should be aware using barbeque meat for target practice is against all universal goodwill and should be punished with a vegan diet for life.
I much prefer the .45 in a 1911 which has a better size grip, and is better all around than the .40 with any frame, even with fewer rounds. Hand size and comfort makes me want a 1911 which I have shot for 50 years. Personal preference is always subjective. Thanks for all you do Paul. I always learn something.
This video needed to exist. People like to say the .45 ACP is dead and obsolete, but based on the following demonstration, .40 and .45 are neck in neck. It was like watching the .22 LR vs .25 ACP Pocket Pistol video you made a few years back; the differences between the two are minimal at best and weight and fair comparisons shine a clearer reality of the calibers. If I can afford to own it, shoot it, and it fills my intended roles, it works. Period.
Thanks for landing another blow to the Caliber debate Paul 👍🏼.
Wasabi Kicks Yankee Marshall calls it 45 aarp and says it's old technology. Then again that's coming from the guy who says the Chiapas rhino is the best concealed carry gun.
Nick Harrell
Chiappa Rhino's are aesthetically unique in a sci-fi kind of way. But I don't believe they are worth the price. It's an attempt at reinventing the wheel when the wheel is already functional, of course there are always different materials you could use to make the wheel that make it fresh or bring it into the modern age, but it will still function just as well. That aside, no one can really sit there and tell me the .45 ACP is not effective, Nor can they say the same for the 9mm. I use to regularly carry a .25 ACP and it was effective to me based on its highly compact size and light recoil (ammo prices suck to say the least) but it wasn't a range rat. With proper handling, training, and fair knowledge of human anatomy ANY caliber can be made effective. Especially if we observe Paul's studies and factor in ammo selection.
Some youtubers are always looking for a way to get more views, not to provide the best and most trustworthy content.
TYM is relatively gun smart, but like a guy who's been hanging out on forums for years (which he has - I remember seeing him on those like 12-14 years ago now), not like a guy with a lot of training or experience. He is a 'hobbyist', i.e. someone who has the money to buy a lot of guns and enjoys looking at them and talking about them... more than shooting them. When was the last (or first) time you saw him shoot? His creds are paper thin and his near-use of force (brandishing at an intersection) story is pathetic.
Like a train wreck I can't help watching some of his videos when bored and at least he has the balls to voice some controversial opinions, but it's the contrarian and troll in him more than the thinking man. His video on the .45 ACP is a joke made purely for the controversy, just like Yeager (an old TYM man crush) and his "1911s suck" or "the .40 sucks" ones.
My Name Is Legion I absolutely agree. When it comes to firearms I like to think I keep an open mind, primarily due to budget constraints and also because a lot of firearm selection is trial and error. In the beginning I had a tendency to underrate firearms I already owned and pick ones that didn't suit my needs. From .40 to .380 to .25 to 9mm to .25 again the issue didn't become the caliber in my case but what worked for my circumstances and budget. The .25 ACP works for me based on concealability and recoil, but I hate the price of ammo and I already have given my reliance to a Brand or model that is not particularly well made, but works as needed (and just based on my experience alone Jimenez Arms and Ravens are stellar and more reliable than Rohm). I learned that through trial and error. I'm just fortunate that it didn't happen when it actually counted and my circumstances didn't have me smack in the middle of a bad neighborhood again. Sometimes all we have is what we know to educate others and help them along. I will never discourage someone from a .25 if
It works for them, I will give them my most humble recommendation because of my strange romance for the little Caliber, but the same goes for any gun; get what suits the user, practice and train regularly, and apply knowledge to any and all scenarios. I always recommend Paul because his videos pertain to the realism not the Bearded, Tatted fantasy of Duke Nukem wanna be's: Everyone wants to kick ass and chew gum, but few want to use common sense and logic.
The Rhino is certainly interesting. I've never shot one, but I want to. I want to feel the difference in felt recoil from a 6 o'clock firing position. It's definitely not worth the price, but it'd be nice if that kind of innovation was more prevalent and more accessible to us common folk.
When the .40 S&W first came out I was enthused about having an auto with .45ACP power with more cartridges in the mag. That was a long time ago. Advances in ammo design and capabilities really narrowed up the difference between 9mm, 40 and 45. Still boils down to the specific ammo.
Imagine all the ants that follow Paul around eating 🍊 soda and old shredded meat
RIP Paul….thank you for taking the time teach…..you were a cool guy!😢
I carry .40. Really like it. Good stopping power without excessive recoil. Accurate 13+1 rounds. S&W M&P m2.0. Good gun
Another plus for me is that,at least round my way,I consistently find more ammo for the .40 than all of my other pistols with different calibers.In these times, it’s a big plus
Got the same one one. Love it.
@@TheLokoViejo for sure
I've got the same gun. Most of the time its loaded with Speer gold dot 180gr. Great round
The 2.0 only carries 13? My standard first Gen M&P holds 15...
These videos are great references. This might be the third time I’ve watched this one over the years and I learn something new every time. Good, solid, practical demonstrations of firearm capabilities. Thank you for your gift Paul. It truly keeps on giving.
Dammit Paul ! If I shot as well as you do, I'd probably be comfortable with a 25 caliber pistol ! Thanks ever so much for efforts. Please keep up the great work for us .
Those rapid-fire groups at 15 yards WERE impressive.
Thanks.
You know his personal carry is a mini .25 acp, right?
I'm pretty sure he does carry a .25 seen it in the windshield vid.
16:07 Too funny, seeing the first set destroyed , then the second set Obliterated,
literally lmao at the bottles , each shot got sequentially wilder results.
This is entertaining and Paul explains things so that you aren't left with a dozen
questions at the end, thorough and to the point, very informative.
Thanks for all of your hard work . Your the best!!!
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Absoultley the best Gun instructor for learning about Guns and ammo on the internet. HIS Method and analytics are extremley helpful. MOST OF TNE OTHER CHANNELS are now where near his ability and level of expertise. I always leave his videos with valuable knowlege not just gun hype and faux machismo. HIS EXPERTISE IS CLEARLY VISABLE AND his teaching is extremely effective.
As usual, your show provides the most information in the most scientific yet fun manner in a very cool, professional way. Outstanding, sir!
This is a great comparison. I've always been a fan of both calibers, and usually carry a .40...G22 in fact. Thank you for doing this!
That Man was brilliant, he took time to format things so the average person could understand exactly what he was doing, and he did real world tests. I hope someone continues this. We need his style to keep going.. rest in peace, PAUL you will be missed
Second video I've seen of yours, the first one was about an hour ago, "Beretta 92FS and M9 Accuracy". Been on youtube for years watching shooting vids and never seen your channel. I'm now new subscriber and fan.
In my personal opinion. The 40 vs 45 is like the 9mm vs 38spl. They are similar in a lot of ways but also different enough that you'll want to do shooting with each caliber to see what you like.
Personally I carry a 40s&w almost all days of the week besides Sunday when I got to church, I carry a snub nose 38spl +p to hide it better in my clothes
ehhh, 9mm is SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful in standard velocity than even +p .38 spl. .38 is just kind of a weak round.
Having just aquired a sig 40s&w, i came for another lesson from Paul. Glad his brother is keeping his channel up.
thanks so much Paul, first time handgun buyer and this video (along with other sources) helped me to decide what caliber to go with. Ultimately I went with an M&P 40. Thanks for your excellent work.
I'm late to the show and just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago. I have missed out. Great channel, great information, and I have been learning 👍 So thank you.
Watched this one again tonight, as I am considering a 40. I already have a .45 & 10mm, so maybe Paul just saved me some money! Thanks Paul.
Man, that was one of the best comparison videos I've ever seen. You have a gift!
I grew up with .45 acp in the 1911 platform. So I have a emotional attachment to that caliber and platform. Considering all the ammo selections available I think it really comes down to which you shoot more accurately than anything else. So carry what you shoot best might be the best approach?
What you shoot the most is likely the best as long as it is a "good" round. I'm a big revolver fan and love to blast .44 mag and shoot it the best. But for carry a .38/.357 would be better but strangely I shoot 9mm very well. If I were to carry, (I'm Canadian and so I'm prohibited to do so, although I probably wouldn't even if I could) I'd go with .380 or 9mm to fit my lifestyle. Some people can carry a slim and powerful.45 1911, I'd opt for the same pattern but in .380 or 9mm.
Shit, I shoot a bow and arrow better, I guess I'm screwed.
nicerperson, If you can survive in the Apocalypse long enough, until all the ammo is shot up, you will rule the wasteland.
berserk7111 you realize black powder is very easy to make right charcoal salt Peter and something else boil your urine to get salt peter charcoal well I don't need to help with that I forget last ingredient haven't used this since like high school chemistry.
Fart Cat Worthless FK
What an excellent teacher there are not REASONABLE questions left when your videos end.
I always look forward to your videos and thank you for your service!
The nice thing about getting old is that you can watch one of Mr. Harrell's videos, wait three months, and then watch it all over again, just like you're seeing it for the first time!
Im halfway through this video and this guy knows how to truly put a side-by-side measurement on film. I should have subscribed sooner - will be my go-to researcher for ammo and weapons
I wish there were more videos like this on the internet! This was the best comparison video I've seen!
I love how Paul shows off his shooting skills without "showing off". Great Videos!
If I'm ever in a gun fight, I'm gonna want Paul and Hickok45 with me. I'll just crouch down and let those two boys do what they do!
Awesome test, done very well thanks. I stuck with the 100+ year old 45 acp through all these new calibers. Overall the gun manufacturers seem to be trying to re invent the wheel. Over and over it doesn’t seem to be that much difference, I’m not running to the gun shop to trade in the old 45acp just yet. Probably never will trade it in. Sometimes the newer calibers don’t mean there better. Great video.
Great presentation as usual Paul. I would have liked to see a comparison of the most common 40 and 45 bullet weights on the meat target.
I suppose I'd fallen for the myth that the .40 was hot but getting hit in the thumb with a .45 would take a shoulder off. The results were surprising because I expected to see a much greater disparity between the two, but as per your demo, the difference wouldn't be worth worrying about in a fight.
I like and appreciate your videos. Lots of empirical data with a good blend of common sense. Thank you.
i know right? its almost as if two cartridges packing similar KE do the same amount of damage. And in his other tests like 357 sig vs 40 and 357 mag vs sig, that bullets with more KE do more damage. Its almost as if KE makes an a difference which is completely contrary to the 9mm glags assertions.
fuckin .45 fan boy... take your shoulder off.. shut the fuck up and learn.
.45 ACP circle jerk?
@@chrismartin3618 You're not very bright are you? The guy you were cussing was agreeing with you. Now you can cuss me. You know you're going to.
Chris Martin Idiot.
My wife was watching this over my shoulder as I watched in my office. She said after.... "Hey... YOU'RE packing more.... not drastically more... but DEFINITELY more" LOL. And that's what I call love =] Great video and data as always... more than thorough. I think you hit the nail on the head by explaining that ammunition selection seems to be the most significant choice.... rather than caliber. I personally carry a 9mm. It's a micro compact with 13 +1 capacity which is stellar. Tiny, comfortable to carry and very concealable... even in shorts and a t shirt. I shot many different brands of ammo till I found the one that produces plenty of damage and I'm able to shoot very accurately. It checks all the boxes for me and I'd trust my life with it.
Great vid! Kinda just proves wat I've always said when comparing the two.With modern ammo they are almost identical. But with the .40 you can get .45 performance in a smaller , lighter weapon and have added ammo capacity. I'll always be a .45 guy, but for concealed carry, the .40 just makes more sense mathematically and comfortably. That is just my opinion though. I still carry a 45 sometimes in the winter when clothing and holster choices are more conducive to a larger CCW.
Check out the Glock 30S.
The muzz velocity of the .45 was impressive. In the military ('73), I think my M1911 sidearm muzz velocity was always around 830 fps. Better ammo !! Thank you Paul.