I don't care what the 9mm fanboys think, the .40 S&W is all around ballistically superior to 9mm in every aspect. Hell I even love the .40 S&W's big brother 10mm, just because it is a beast of a round.
Yesss. 40 S&W is probably my favorite but I love all handgun calibers. Even love plinking with a little 22 or 25 auto. Handguns are a blast regardless of caliber!!
Exactly having pistol caliber options and ammo options due to weather types and population number areas. Some days I pack a 40cal some 9mm some 380. Mostly a 40cal.
Rodney, your comment about bullet technology hit it on the head. I am also always confused when people say that 9mm is now equivalent to every other cartridge due to bullet technology presumes that technological advances are in a vacuum and were only applied to 9mm. I know many law enforcement agencies (mine included) that still either exclusively issue or have as optional issue handguns chambered in .40. From a purely logical and business standpoint, it makes no sense that manufacturers would limit their research to 9mm only when a successful business model operates on the premise of diversification. It makes no sense to limit your business to only one product when the demand exists for multiple products. On a more personal note, I carried a .40 during my entire 25-year law enforcement career and my issue Glock 22 with .180 grain Winchester Ranger T ammo brought me through two officer-involved shootings. I understand folks are on the 9mm bandwagon however I have trusted my life to the .40 and it came through for me. Now that I have retired I continue to carry the .40 in a SIG P-229.
The Winchester Silvertip was the magic 9mm bullet of it's day, performed well in Jello according to the FBI and became a standard issue 9mm round. Yet despite perfect mushrooming and erratic travel thru the Hollywood bank robbers chest, hitting every major organ along the way, failed to stop him. Throw some bones, cartilage, and organs/muscles of varying density if ya want a realistic result.
@ Kpak 2714 Power matters not? So your carrying a 380 right? You’re really missing a major factor in the research data, you are making the assumption that the people conducting the research did so from an unbiased perspective. Everyone from civilian to LEO’s are citing the FBI data as if it’s gospel while ignoring that they have publicly acknowledged that it was their intention to find a 9mm that performed better than the 40 they were using. They are also ignoring that the FBI said that the data was specifically for the manner in which *THEY* utilize a handgun. Multiple people all firing multiple rounds until the suspect is motionless. You missed the most important reason that is a real positive in favor of the 9mm. Capacity. A G19 holds 2 more rounds than my full size HK USP 40 with the flush fit and one less with the extended. My Hellcat holds the same with its extended as the flush fit of the HK. Two other factors come into play. One is not everyone lives in the city & I carry as much for 2 legged attackers as I do 4 legged types. A partner of mine on the PD I was at shot a pit that jumped through the open window of his patrol car. Literally in his lap. Dog died of old age 8 years later. 9mm JHP’s from near contact distances. Lastly is confidence. If you don’t have confidence in the caliber for whatever reason then you are likely to not do as well with it. 9mm is fine. Handguns generally suck at stopping a threat immediately no matter the target. But don’t make the assumption that they are equal. There’s too many other factors at play.
@@kevinrichardson8859 True.I think it has 30-40 more energy at the muzzle. Not enough to justify losing 7-8 rounds. Also that would make a 45 more "snappy" and we know how 40sw haters dislike snappy. I am a fan of the trinity 10mm, 40sw, 357 sig. I carry 9mm often but 45acp is normally not in my rotation. I don't dislike it. Own several but the size + performance to capacity ratio just isn't good IMHO. 40 just seems to be the best of both worlds. Now if we can just get 357 sig more popular.
I carried a Glock 23 for a number of years as a Deputy Sheriff. Felt quite well armed, although I'd have preferred the 165 Gold Dot rather than the 180.
@@davehardan8323 165 gives 16" of penetration and a fully formed Mushroom. The 155 is less penetration and more Mushroom. The 180 is more penetration and less Mushroom and might go through a bad guy. Good for mountain lions though 👍
Underwood ammo my friend 155 grain hollow point 1200 fps second 582 ft lbs thats what I carry in my M&P and I carry 185 grain 45acp in my 1911 from underwood 1200fps second 592 ft lbs.
I have been carrying a SW 40c for 5 years now. I shoot it at least every month to keep familiar with it. I also have several 9's but prefer my 40 as I live in a 10 round restricted state. 10 rounds of 9 or 10 of 40. The 9 losses the capacity argument in restricted states.
Not a valid argument. Some compacts carry 7 or 8 like the Shield. It's all about shot placement. I conceal a snub nose that only has 5 rounds of 357/38.
@@scottkeppler7442 eh, it penetrates a lot more than ball ammo, and velocity doesn't really matter that much with non expanding pistol rounds. Good for 4 legged assailants. Hogs don't like it very much at all.
I have seen an interview with an ex Seal and Delta Force operator. They went from 45 to 40 to 9mm. When the interviewer asked why you changed from 40 to 9mm he did answer without any hesitation "cost". I think for LE cost is the main issue. Also for civilians. If the 40 would cost the same as 9mm I think much more would still use 40 S&W.
@@rvmagnum5415 Yeah, it offers basically the best performance possible without moving up to a 10mm size frame. Very flat-shooting and excellent against hard barriers. Agencies like the Secret Service and Federal Air Marshals love .357 SIG P229s. The ammo never gets snapped up during panic buying as well.
I’ve been shooting my entire life and refuse to argue with empirical fact: the 40 S&W +P is hotter, flatter, and by far more powerful than any 9mm round available. Is the 9mm a good round? Absolutely yes. Even though my EDC’s are a Gucci Glock 19, a tricked out M&P Shield 9MM, or the 1911 in .45 AARP, my H&K USP 40 S&W has more muzzle energy than all of them.
Correct! Best overall handgun round for self defense. The Underwood 40+p rounds are VERY hot. I have not seen a 9mm round with anything close to their energy.
When the pandemic showed up 9mm was impossible to find & the few places that had it were selling each box for $49.99! But 40s&w & 45auto ammo was always in stock so I bought a full size Glock22 & loved it! I don't even like my Glock19 anymore but I'll keep it anyway. I feel like buying something chambered in 45auto just to see what it's like.
You really want some modularity? Buy a glock 20 or 29 (10mm) and you can buy barrels to shoot 45acp. Couple that with being able to shoot 40sw out of the 10mm already and you have one pistol that can handle 3 different calibers. Plus, you can even get barrels for it to shoot some other wildcat calibers.
@@jessekaiman5182 That's the one I might just have to get since 1911s & HK USP45 are too expensive. My friend has a Glock21 & it's surprisingly a smooth shooter even with +Ps very accurate too. 45acp ammo is in stock in huge quantities where I'm from so is 40s&w.
@@perplexingperceptions8888 I sold my 1911 and am looking into getting another. I have a HK USP Expert in 45, no question HK makes great stuff I have 3 lol. But definitely can't be let down with the 21, you ever see the 460 rowland conversions? You can do all kinds of crazy conversions with it. Also other dude had it wrong, the g20 can't be converted to 45 unless you swap the whole slide. The g21 can be barrel swapped for 10mm though. I tossed a tlr1HL on my 21 and the recoil is next to none. Never shot +p in it though, the standard 230 hsts are already nasty.
I chose 40 in the 1990s when I transitioned from 357 magnum revolvers to autoloaders. Considered 9, 45 & even 10 but went with 40. I have carried off and on all the above mentioned plus 357 Sig but tend to come back to 40. All are great viable personal protection offerings. Quality, reliable ammo and good shot placement are part of the success or failure in a life threatening situation regardless what caliber or gun we might choose. Thanks. Well done. Subscribed.
I love the 40 arguments. My wife and I both have carried 40 cal m&ps for years. Mine is a full size and hers is a shield. All of our friends, including hunting buddies, get frustrated when she makes them look bad in pistol, rifle, shotgun, and bow shooting 🤣. And she's the hottest woman I've ever seen to boot. Man I'm blessed! You have to practice and don't be skeered (scared). I really don't care what people carry or if they carry at all, just don't try to feed me a bunch of bs when I know different through research and experience. I can't stand glocks and glocktards but I can't argue with their reliability. If a glock was what I had to trust my life to I would. Why? Because of facts, not opinion.
I have never owned a 40... I was lucky I bought a 9mm for my 1st gun when 40 was super popular 15 years ago. As time goes on I have come to respect it though. I think even a 40 fmj would be a formidable defense cartridge in a shtf situation.... Vs 9mm fmj which is at the very bottom of what I would want to use.
The flat nose of the 40s&w would make it feel like it transferred more energy to the target than round nose bullets that usually zap into fleshy targets.
I like the 40 caliber. My carry gun is a 40. But I prefer the lighter bullets 155 or 165 grain bullets. 180 grain have lower velocities. Also I reload 40 caliber and when reloading 180 grain 40 caliber you got to really watch the powder that you use and the case pressures. Just reloading a few tenths of a grain over the starting load can really raise the case pressures with some powders with 180 grain bullets. A lot of police departments have dropped the 40 caliber and went back to 9mm which I think is a big mistake. 40-caliber has considerable more energy foot-pounds on the target than 9 m m
I use the glock 27 as my ddaily carry and use the underwood 135gr sporting hollow points. Theyre rated at 1400fps and 588 ft/lbs. im sure theyll be a bit lower due to the shorter barrel, but they are no joke.
they will be significantly lower velocity but .40 tends to do better with shorter barrels in terms of energy loss problem is that the G27 or glock .40s in general are not up to the pounding that .40 provides. they are 9mm frames with bigger barrels basically. not built for the extra oomph
I thoroughly enjoyed your videos on the 40 S&W. I'm retired law enforcement (30+years). My last duty weapon was a Glock 22 gen4. I feel the gun writers are being paid to shovel dirt over the 40 S&W. One very famous gun writer said on one of his many you tube videos that the 9mm equals the stopping power and performance of the 40 S&W and the 45acp. Yey in another video he said when travels to states with 10 round magazine capacities he opts for his 1911 in 45acp rather than his Beretta 92F. I shot my best semi-auto qualification scores with my Glock 22 gen4, even better than any 9mm before, including the Glock 19 gen3.
Love my 40 S&W! Have put around 500 rounds through it without 1 jam or malfunction! I always keep it oiled and clean and I use white box Winchester 180 FMJ! 🇺🇸
I have handguns in six different calibers. My favorite of them all is my Smith & Wesson SD40VE. I bought it for $330 a few years ago and I just love the thing!
I agree. Got my SD40VE in 2007, gave less than 300. It has never had a malfunction. I also have 3 other calibers, but no favorites. My EDC is a P365 because of size.
Carried a 10MM for years, had minor problems with the Glock 20, cleared up. Carrying the Glock 20 on the hip got heavy after 10 years. Now carry a Glock 22 and 27 . My bullet choice is 165 gr. HST, GOLD DOTS, and Ranger T series excellent expansion on all.
its close I carry a 40 M&P I use underwood 155 grain 1200fps 582 ft lbs. , and in my 1911 I use underwood 185 grain 45acp 1200 fps 592 ft pounds. either way there both great rounds .
that 165 grain in 40 sw is as good as it gets. Mild recoil + huge energy trasfer for a pistol. love it. I do carry a 9 but only because at diamondback db9 in 40 would be has hard on you as the bad guy.
As a potential new gun owner, I decided to go with a Glock .40 cal. This video is an excellent guide to the different types of ammo I can use for a .40 cal. I didn't know that fans of 9mm vs. .40 cal are like Chevy vs. Ford trucks.
Good video. When I retired in ‘97 we were issued the Glock 23 in .40 but a couple of years ago my former agency began issuing the Glock 19 in 9MM for a couple of reasons. One, they claimed smaller officers had less trouble qualifying & the .40 was wearing out the service weapons too fast. I have to question the latter since we only qualified twice a year, about a hundred rounds total.
It seems most LE are moving away from .40 to 9mm and some back to .45 ACP. I know here where I live unless things changed again they went from the G22 to an M&P45. Then some dept here were using .45 GAP sure they have canned that by now. There is multiple dept here though I know at least the cops that I had my last classes with to get other state CCW permits said they were then carrying M&P45s but I know they used to have Glock 22s. I think the state police were using .45 GAP but sure that has changed by now probably something like a Glock 17 now. Then there is Horry County PD, NMB and all the other police departments probably mostly consisting of a Glock of some sort pretty sure most all were Glock 22 but that was 10-15 years ago probably most have changed by now but I know at least MBPD was carrying M&P45s unless its changed again since then
Thanks for viewing! Police Department's often times ,unfortunately, use many criteria to choose a caliber, and budget ranks near the top of that list. Not saying that they are putting their officer's at risk with the 9mm but they also do take lot's into account not related to terminal ballistics.
@Kev Campbell I was involved in three on duty shootings w/my issued .38 and it did the job in all but one instance, and that guy was up on cocaine, felt no pain. The difference between the two rounds, .40 & 9MM is so slight either will work given proper shot placement. Stay safe sir.
@@AmmoMart I have been watching quite a few body cam videos of fairly recent police shootings. From what I have seen, the 9mm. is performing piss poorly. These pencil pushers should be ashamed of themselves. I mean,I can see the FBI not giving a crap about anyone; but these state and county commissioners are putting their officers at risk with this penny pinching crap.
@Peter Angles That's what I've tried telling people. There's an article where some guy named masad ayoob who put 80K rounds through a stock Glock22 gen 3 without stopping in one day & only a few small parts had to be replaced.
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, especially for full-size/duty semi-auto handguns! although 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for 10mm auto though! Between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr being the ideal bullet weight for the .40 s&w! A bonded 155gr .40 s&w JHP moving at 1200 fps hitting with 500 fpe and expanding to a minimum of .70"/75% is about as ideal as you can get!
@@perplexingperceptions8888 i know! and like buddy said, in shtf or panic buying you won't be competing for the 9mm, which 90% of the population will be
Great video! I got my 1st S&W .40 last month. I do not feel anymore recoil than my 9mm pistols; being the 9mm's I have are all Taurus G2C's and G3C's. The heavier S&W .40 and longer barrel works great. They hit my steel targets atleast 20% harder and leave much bigger dents! It is now my main carry weapon, but I have all my Taurus 9mm's at home because I have so many magazines and rounds available at home. While carrying my .40 I am limited to three 14 rounds loaded magazines; but if I feel I needed more, the 50 round box of ammo I have in my car will be enough in an emergency. Someone asked me: "Why do you need so many bullets just to drive to work and back?" I never even thought of such a question in my life: My reply: "Why do you wear a seat belt everytime you drive your car? Do you think you are going to get in a head-on crash today?"
40 is a great round. Not for everyone. If you can handle the extra recoil, The bigger hole and extra foot lbs of energy will give a slight edge over 9mm. The 9mm fanboys always bring up the shot placement argument. Which is true, but paper targets don’t move and shoot back. If I could make a head shot every time, then yeah. 9mm or even a 22 would be sufficient. Been carrying a G22 and P229 for years
I always laugh when some limp-wristed soy boy makes the recoil argument. My department carried and qualified with full power .40 duty loads. Prior to that we all carried dept issued .357 magnum with full power duty loads. We had an average of twenty female deputies who also handled the recoil with no complaints. What the hell happened to men in this country? I guess they should hire some of those little 100lb females to show them how to man up lol!
Very solid video, thank you. For me, the bottom line is this: While 9mm can kill whitetail deer with a single well-placed shot, there’s very rarely any significant blood trail to follow and the deer generally live long enough to run a great distance without any visible signs of being injured. For .40, .45, and .357 Sig, this is simply not the case. All three of these cartridges produce fast, clean kills, often with good blood trails, and the deer never make it very far at all after the shot. So I can use the .40 S&W and get a significant boost in terminal ballistics, including much better performance through barriers, and only lose maybe a couple rounds of capacity, while having a gun that’s the same size as a 9mm, and what I’d call a very minor and completely justified increase in recoil? The real question is what on earth would compel me to use anything BUT .40 S&W and forget about the 9.
40 A&W is in my opinion overlooked and way underrated these days. Every advancement afforded to 9 mm technology also applies to 40 and 45. 9 is a great round, it will work and do it's job well. 40 and 45 will do that and more. Great video. Glad to see others still appreciate a great caliber.
for an affordable, effective, readily available pistol caliber for black bear country - where you want penetration - i think there is very little that can beat a .40 with buffalo bore hard casts. big slug, high speed, good capacity. sure, 10mm would be a hair hotter, but i doubt in a black bear that matters much and .40 is always cheaper. honestly, i'd probably be comfortable with flat nose fmj in a pinch for that scenario.
I live in black bear country and have had the experience of having my trout taken from me by a bear. I did not shoot the bear because he didn't want me he wanted to eat some fish, but I would have had no trouble dispatching him if I had needed to with the 40 Smith I carry. My .357 just got to heavy to carry all the time. It stretches the suspenders to much.
@@russellkeeling9712 Same thing happened to me a few years ago while camping a black bear showed up & grabbed the bag of McDonald's cheeseburgers I had LMAO 🤣 I didn't even try stopping him. I had my Ruger GP100 6" stainless with Federal champion 158 grain JSP rounds on my hip but since it didn't try anything on me I just left it alone.
My favorite 40sw carry load is the Underwood 135gr Nosler JHP that has a Muzzle Velocity of 1400 FPS and Muzzle Energy of 588 Ft/Lbs being a Nosler Projectile it is design to mushroom at a 1300-1600 FPS velocity while maintaining at least 95% of its original weight and it almost doubles its diameter when it mushrooms. I also keep that projectile in my 10mm Pistols where the Velocity is increase to 1600 FPS and Energy goes up to 768 Ft/Lbs! Underwood makes AWESOME Defensive Ammo because they match the best projectiles to the powder load they are going to use and match that to the Purpose of that Ammo whether is Hunting, Home Defense, Target Shooting or Personal Defense.
@@EvilynKing I have seen the Gel Test and I have read many reports written by police officer that used 40sw pistols during Police Involved shooting incidents and the 40sw has KILLED more Criminals than 9mm when you compare the same amount of shooting during the same time period but officers using different calibers. The main Reason the most PDs switched back to 9mm is because the Obama's DOJ under Erik Holder made it mission to go after PD officers and Agencies that had killed suspects during deadly force incidents and 40sw beat both 9mm and 45acp in the number of kills. The Winchester Ranger 40SW 155gr JHP a direct descendent of the NOW Discontinued Black Talon Ammunition is a great example of LEO 40sw ammo that gets the job done with just a couple of rounds because of the 1250 FPS Muzzle Velocity and nearly 575 Ft/Lbs of Muzzle Energy coming out of a Glock 22 40sw one of the most prolific Police Issued Pistols of the last 30 years.
I found during the scamdemic full power 10mm ammo was pretty easy to find and bought .40 s&w hp ammo when I found it, which wasn't too hard. 9mm fmj steel case ammo could be found, the other types not so much and this is in MO., in the summer of 2020.
The main reason I got into the 40s&w was pistol prices years ago, I was able to buy a 40s&w at a much lower price compared to the 9mm, bought a Glock 23 Gen4 for $449, FNS-40 $359, CZ P-09 in 40s&w for $429 and these were all New not used prices ...
There's a reason for that savings. While splitting hairs re the cost of a firearm how much is your ammo? I shoot enough that a variation of several hundred dollars in the cost of a gun is irrelevant.
You can get some really good deals on all the LE trade ins too. Really on all calibers but especially the .40 pistols and they are pretty abundant. Can get some really good deals on Sig 226, 229, Glock 23, 22, 27, and M&P40 seems like they are always like $100 less then the same LE trades in 9mm. I have a few LE trades they might have some finish wear from being carried every day but that is it they rarely ever get shot besides when they have to qualify they probably never see much of any other use. The ammo prices are up now but not long ago .40 S&W wasn't but a couple dollars more then 9mm and at times you can't find any 9mm but there will still be .40 on the shelves.
9 mm. guys say they have more rounds. I carry a Beretta PX-4 storm subcompact w/ a regular full-size Storm mag. giving me 17+1 in .40 with a back-up 17 round mag. 35 rounds in 2 mags should be plenty. Just to inform your viewers, there was a 17-year study done which went into very detailed analysis testing ALL handgun ammo calibers to find out which caliber was best at taking the "bad guy" out of the fight. All up and all in, there were 2 calibers that tied for 1st place. Place your bets, folks. The .357 magnum and the .40 S&W. Too many cops have told me horror stories about carrying the 9mm and its' lack of effectiveness. My brother-in-law is a Chicago Swat cop and on duty, he HAS to carry a 9. Off-duty, he carries a .40. That made my decision very easy.
Great video , I like the way you do them My EDC is 40 s&w 165 grain 1,050 fps 400 ft lb of muzzle energy , To me as a civilian that is perfection , being a very controlling cartridge . When I want more all's I do is change ammo As far as the Bashers , Oh well I have mine and they have theirs , and there's no doubt in my mind that the. 32 super carry will take off very well
165 is the sweet spot for 40. Seems to be most blind to difference in barrel length, and RIPS through just about any barrier you can throw it at even in an edc gun.
I have had all of the premium 9mm pistols, but not anymore, just don`t seem to keep them. I have two .40 pistols, one a medium barrel and the other one a long barrel. I reload and also cast my own bullets. The medium barrel is for in the house and the longer barrel is for deer hunting. They both shoot about the same for accuracy. They have replaced my .357 revolver because of round capacity. An excellent cartridge for an experienced reloader.
Love my MP 40 as well as my SR1911 not a fan of the 9. I reload my 40 and 45 as well . Dont understand why the 40 is so hated ? From my Speer reloading manual the best round for the 40 is the 155 grain , 1221 feet per second ,513 ft pounds of energy , the problem is reloading components are hard to get .
My first pistol I bought was a Sig P226 in .40. When I did my best shooting with it (my skills have perished a bit), I felt almost no recoil because I was extremely strong and I had an incredibly efficient grip and posture and I knew how to anticipate recoil because I was so familiar and so practiced with the pistol. It's still my favorite gun to shoot.
The reputation that the .40 has being hard to control is a mystery to me. It is not like it is a handheld .500 Nitro Express. The 9mm fan boy club speaks of the .40 as if it is some kind of hand cannon and it just isn't. It is an excellent round as are many other calibers. IF it is too snappy for some then don't carry it. If the 9mm is too snappy don't carry it. It really is all about practice and what fits the individual not what the fan boy caliber clubs think one should carry.
If you, like the last generation of cops, transitioned from the .357 then the .40 is no big deal. If you weigh 90 pounds and are new to shooting, then you notice the .40 is a step up from the 9mm for recoil. That is the deal. Back in the day cops were averaging over 6 ft and 200 pounds. Now days cops are averaging smaller and there are a lot more women on the force. It cost less to train them on the 9mm. and one of those cost factors is controlling the recoil. All too often civilians followed law enforcement. They jumped on the bandwagon and are now falling off for the sole reason that law enforcement agencies are transitioning to the 9mm. Additionally, some early .40 guns ie glorified 9mm's enlarged to take a .40, looking squarely at Glock, fell apart while firing the .40. Now that all manufacturers have beefed up their guns as they should have done in the beginning. no more issues firing the .40.
@@alumniduck The size and weight of the firearm determines a lot in the recoil. A 9mm pocket pistol with full loads has a lot more recoil that a full sized 9mm. The same holds true for all firearms. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The heavier firearm absorbs some of that reaction.
@@russellkeeling9712 Don't compare apples to oranges. Take, for instance, a sig 226 in 9mm and one in .40 and there is no denying the .40 kicks more. More lead, more powder and more energy translates into more recoil. There is no getting around that. Just as you can't get around the laziness and ignorance that people have when they say a .40 kicked too much. In reality, All it takes is a good instructor and a bit of practice and all is good with a .40. Lastly, I really don't mind that the .40 scares off the ignorant. Let them go to the gun store and fight over the last 9mm's while I casually stroll in and get the .40.
I believe its because people hear something and they just go with it instead of trying to make up their own minds , the .40 s&w is my favorite pistol cartridge easy to shoot. imho
Yeah, and the same people who say that .40SW is too much are the same people going nuts for all these new 10mm guns. I just don't get it. To these people, .40 is simultaneously "too much" and "short and weak."
My hide away home defense gun is a Firestar in .40 S&W and one of my backups. is a Browning HP also in .40 S&W along with my 686 plus .357 magnum. My go to gun is a 5904 9mjm . Good presentation.
Funny, my standard EDC round since it hit the market has been the Remington 180gr Golden Saber JHP and not only because of its performance, but also because out of my Glock 23, Glock 27 and Glock 35 it hits about exactly the same point of impact as the Remington 180gr FMJ that I use for range practice, plinking and local IDPA/IPSC competition. That 180gr FMJ does penetrate more than the JHP too, so it's also my out and about stroll in the boonies round of choice, for the off chance of running into a ill tempered 4 legged predator who might not be otherwise dissuaded of thinking of us as his mid day snack... So, yeah. To say that I am a .40"S&W/Glock fan boy is quite the understatement. Nice review!
I have guns in 380, 9mm, 40, 357 Sig, 45, & 10mm. My EDC is a Glock 23. I consider the 40 & the 357 to be the best self defense calibers. The slight added recoil is easy to deal with if you practise.....something you should do no matter what round you choose. So might as well go with something that punches a bit more.
I've owned and shot .40 cal pistols since the mid 90's. I recently acquired some 9mm pistols and I like both calibers personally. In my experience, bullet weights in the 155 to 165 grain range shoot the most accurate in .40 S&W. In 9mm my guns seem to like 124 grain but I'm still trying different loads in them and each gun is different. Both are excellent self defense calibers and I do not feel under gunned carrying either one. Caliber arguments are silly, shot placement is the key, caliber is almost irrelevant. A hit to the bad guys forehead with a .22 beats a miss with a .45 any day.
Most people don't get to pick and choose where the shot placement actually ends up. To many factors, hence a little more power incase you just hit some plain ol meat.
10mm guys hate the .40s&w because they paid all of that money and their ammo is watered down to .40 levels. Yes, the 9mm ammo has developed, but so too has body armor. Anybody can buy level II really cheap now. It fits right under that hoodie! There is no substitute for mass, just as there is no substitute for velocity. The new bullets are great though, but AP is illegal.
Fiocchi loads the good ole Hornady XTP hollow point in 50 round boxes in 185 grain and 165 grain. The XTP bullet will give you optimum performance in a higher velocity application but the performance is still excellent in both weights ime and under $30 dollars for 50 rounds of quality defensive ammo is awesome nowadays.
Thanks for your convincing post. You have demonstrated good evidence of why my local police department uses .40 S&W and has done so for many years. At this moment, I'm carrying .40 S&W.
We dispatch a lot of hogs at our ranch. The .40 puts them down noticeably better than 9mm, both the .380 and 9mm still do a great job and have confidence carrying all 3 calibers.
@@permanenceaesthetic6545 i mix it up with headshots, neck, and chest cavity. Anatomy matters, but I consistently use less rounds per hog with .40 when comparing an equal shot placement (ie when it’s not the perfect head or sever the spinal cord shot, in that case they pretty much drop every time), and the time it takes to incapacitate is shorter. For example some of our traps are 25-30 foot round pens with a trap door. If i want to put a hog down with chest cavity shots before it can run from one side to the other, i can stop them in the usually 1/2 way with the .40 with a couple of rounds.. the 9 is close but sometimes i can put them down in the same distance and rounds as the 40, but other times i have to put extra rounds into them and they get 3/4 or all the way across the pen before they are incapacitated. Same is true with the .380, but usually takes 3/4s or the whole length of the pen. They all work though, and I carry based on size and weight constraints of the upcoming situation I’ll be in.
@@christaylor4086 Solid, real world info. Thank you for that. I always like to hear from somebody else who actually uses their equipment rather than just talking about it. Fun fact: I center punched a mangy, feral cat not once, but twice with 230 grain .45 ACP HST hollowpoints, and that cat is still alive to this day. Sometimes, reality is truly stranger than fiction.
I really like the 40 S&W. Seen a 40 and a 9mm shot at a ballistic plate. 9mm made a teaspoon bulge at back of plate however the 40 S&W was more the size of a larger spoon. That’s all I needed to convince me. I know agencies all over moving to 9mm. Lucky not yet for me. But I beehive it’s only because of training cost of ammo and that smaller frames people handle recoil of 9mm better. Will always be a 40 fan and also a 9 fan. But if I had a personal choice I would carry 40S&W.
I have an S&W Shield .40. Excellent gun, excellent round. The .40 is just another option that people include for their defensive carry. And it is damn effective. In light of the positives, why not? I also have an S&W 9mm pistol, a Glock 357 Sig and a Ruger 380. I simply make my choice for that day. I think some people make too big a deal out of it.
When the FBI decided to switch back to 9 mm I read their findings. After reviewing all documented police, FBI, self defense shooting data it appears there is no real difference in one shot stops between.380-9mm-40sw or 45! Also stoping power is not a thing. They determined it takes a shot to a vital organ to stop someone in their tracks (heart-lungs-brain) and from the data it’s clear anyone of those calibers will do the job as well as the others! So they decided to go with the caliber that is the easiest to control and holds the most rounds. Of course a 45 is hitting with more energy and punching a bigger plug in you then 9 mm! But that’s not what stops people quickly and effectively. A shot to the brain heart or spine is what quickly incapacitates someone and it doesn’t matter if it’s a 380-9mm-40 or 45! So everyone needs to stop arguing and spend that time and energy training with whatever gun they choose to carry! That’s per the FBI not me! Makes sense in my head but argue with them if you disagree I didn’t spend the time going through the autopsies and police reports to come to this conclusion they did!
Back in the early 90's I was a .357 Mag snob. When the FBI switched to .40 I was intrigued. I bought a S&W 4006. Big, heavy chunk of steel. When Sig introduced the P229 in .40 I jumped on it, again because the FBI was issuing that pistol. I was hooked. I carried that 229 for years. Now my EDC is a new S&W M&P 40 2.0 4". I have added a CZ PCR 9mm in my rotation and don't feel under-armed. Bottom line is to know the gun, shoot it a lot and hit where you need to. My Dad was a LEO. Once while showing off at the range with him I handed him my target. He held it against his chest and said, "That works."
You have good taste in 40 S&W handguns. The P229 and 4006 (especially TSW) are both truly outstanding, and for a polymer model the M&P is very nice as well, but not in the league of the other two.
Nice video. Different rounds, different guns, everything a comparison and analysis needs. I bought my 40 caliber six or seven years ago when I didn’t know much and got it at a great price point. If had to do it all over again knowing what I know now I probably would have went with a 9 mm but now that my EDC has been a .40 for quite some time I thoroughly enjoy it and will probably continue to carry it as my EDC. If for no other reason, so the 9 mm fan boys can continue give me crap and make fun of me about it. It definitely has some snap, but like with anything, practice and training is paramount to good shooting.
.40 S&W was indeed one of the only rounds left on the shelf at the gun stores during the pandemic. ...Made me consider the cartridge, but I skirted it & just went with 10mm since there are some cartridge manufacturers that make powerful ammo for the 10mm, & it would be my most powerful pistol cartridge.
@@joshklaver47 i think Glocks are the only suspect prone to mess up when shooting 40. But i don't have proof. I've only heard it prematurely wears out your extractor and barrel.
I have a lot of 9mm pistols and ammo and that is what I carry on a daily basis but I do have one pistol chambered in 40 S&W for back up if 9mm becomes hard to find like it has been recently. I don't believe that 9mm is in the same league as .40 as far as stopping power goes but I need to carry a more concealable firearm so I settle for 9mm. I have heard but I can't say for sure that the majority of police departments use 9mm +P+ for better stopping power. So if the police feel the need to use souped up 9mm ammo to get the stopping power they want then I would say .40 is probably a better choice.
Winchester silvertip work great in deer and hogs. The silvertips in 9mm and 40s&w are loaded hot, but I don't like the 10mm silvertips as they are loaded light for a 10mm.
I use, and carry, a Glock 22 with 40 cal 165 grain Hornady Critical Defense rounds in it. For myself it's a very effective round and extremely accurate. Unfortunately I just checked with Ammo Mart and their selection is not very good. Would like to see better pricing and more bulk packs? Then again I think we all would!
I think 9mm is a good all around choice especially with today’s bullet tech. However as others mention that bullet tech benefits the larger rounds too. So that’s why when I do carry an autoloader for self defense it’s always my Glock 23c 40s&w. Honestly the biggest reason I have pistols in 9mm is so I can use ammo for that chambering as well. I have 45 acp pistols too.
If we are required to use modern bullet tech to make it equal, then all that stockpiled ammo that’s mostly FMJ speaks volumes. FMJ sucks for all of them, and there’s times that each caliber does a little better with FMJ. But as a general rule 40 & 45 performance with them is slightly better. Is it enough to make a difference? Probably not. But it’s enough to give pause. Especially if you live in a shit hole like NJ that outlawed JHP for peasants. 45 & 40 might be better in that situation.
I came very late to the .40 S&W camp. I started mu LEO career with .357 Magnum. When I retired I went with .45 ACP in a Glock model 41. Then I got a SIG SAUR P220. I snuck a Taurus G3 just to see if 9mm was as wimpy as I remembered. It was. I finally joined the .40 club with a S&W Model 410 all steel. A Clinton gun it only had 10 rounds. Embraced the Glock Model 22 next and didnt think it could get any better until i purchased an HK Vp40. Oh, man. I've really stocked up on a few thousand rounds of .40 S&W. My reloading bench looks like the 40 had possessed it. My new Henry Big Boy Mod X is bringing back the great straight walls of .38 Special /.357 Magnum in a big way though. Im even buying a lead melter!
what gets me is these same people bashing the .40 as unmanageable will do high-school style cheerleader back flips over the 10mm.. my favorite weight in .40 is 155gr.
I'm a 40 freak. Love that round! 9 is fine, but 40 is better. My son runs a gun shop, went to visit him, and he knows I'm a 40 freak. He pointed out a new trade in he had with the words, your favorite caliber Pop. So I now have a Walther P99c sitting on layaway.
I’m a .40 cal guy. My first firearm was a Glock 23 gen 4. However within the last 2-3 years I have switch my EDC to 9mm (Glock 43X w/ shield arm magazines) due to round capacity & performance. My department had also switched from .40 S&W (Glock 22) to 9mm (Glock 45). I still love my .40 and fully trust my life with it however I’ll probably still continue to carry my 9mm.
I'll add this comment because it'll come up before my primary one. It is currently 2023. I have been teaching shooting since 1970. I have applied every type of shooting hold that there is. Just to see which ones work and which ones don't. The most tactically sound shooting hold that there is is the Weaver stance. You can fire it from up close to you when you're in very confined spaces to almost fully extended. You can shoot at different angles without turning your body if necessary. It absorbs recoil very nicely. The worst hold that I see normally, is the isosceles. Is it stable. Yes. If you try to negotiate through a house or some such thing, you're holding the firearm out so far that it Easley turn bad for you because you're presenting the firearm to your enemy, not maintaining control of it. One other caveat. When you go to practice. Dedicate at least a good percentage of your practice with shooting one handed. And that not only means with your strong hand but with your weak hand. You never know when you're going to be injured to a point where you're only shooting one handed. I ended up in that condition one time when I broke my primary hand and had to carry my firearm in a left-hand holster and shoot it left-handed. Luckily I had already trained to shoot left-handed. I was actually capable of shooting slightly better left-handed than right-handed. But not as quickly. It was an adequate trade-off in my book.
Modern 9mm is a wonderful compromise. Recoil is manageable for everyone, and bullet technology means it gets the job done. 40 SW will certainly get the job done and maybe even better, but at the cost of a little more recoil. All else equal, carry what you are most proficient with.
I have a Beretta 96 and love it. The only reason I don't carry it is because it's too large and heavy. My G43 is just so easy to carry, but the Beretta will always be on my nightstand.
Love my .40. (S & W SVE40) Been shooting it for almost 15 years and it has never failed. Zero malfunctions. I also have a compact 9. I don't believe an attacker would know the difference between the two if comparable ammo was used. (HP compared to ball)
That was cool 👍 , for human’s that don’t know if you get a Glock 40 S&W you can always get a 40-9mm conversion barrel , that way you have one toy with two calibers stay safe you all 👋
My goal is to get all my glocks in 40cal because it is a great cartridge. Not only that but if you want you can also shoot 9mm by dropping a 9mm conversion barrel😎
Me too. Where I'm from police are shooting criminals 5 times or more & they always survive, but many years ago when they still carried Glock22s 40s&w it took 2-3 shots & sometimes even got 1 shot stops. Police around the country swear by the effectiveness of 40s&w.
@@perplexingperceptions8888 i totally agree, 9mm is overrated, overhyped and underperforming! 9mm fanboys only obsess over it because they take their opinions and choices from government force arms for some very odd strange reason, the checklist for needs of government is very different than theirs, the government force arms mainly choose 9mm because of cost and weight/amount ratio(military)
@@ethanmac639 I forgot to mention that those police are using the new bullet technology that 9mm fanboys always bring up in every conversation & the violent attackers still make it to the hospital & survive after getting shot multiple times by the new bullet tech.
@@perplexingperceptions8888 exactly, also, they always compare 9mm to .40 s&w for wear/tear, follow-up shots, accuracy, muzzle-rise/flip, cost and pressure...but they are using regular 9mm ball ammo, which has the same pressure as .40 s&w, the exact same, 35,000psi, so i don't get why they call .40 s&w a "high pressure cartridge caliber", and when they use, especially carry 9mm +p & 9mm +p+(which creates it's own problems, training with regular 9mm and carrying 9mm +p & 9mm +p+) the pressure of those rounds increases by 10% each time, so 38,500psi and 42,000psi respectively, so it is the 9mm that is a "high pressure cartridge caliber" if anything, in relative terms compared to the .40 s&w anyways! and those +p rounds are harder on guns and create worse results in all the things above i mentioned that they lay on the feet of the .40 s&w, and not too mention cost more...much more than regular .40 s&w fmj yup i like the .45 acp too, great round, much better than 9mm, you can get 15+ in the fn fnx, and even 10 rounds .45 acp in a compact is better than 15 rounds 9mm in a compact, everyone carries extra mags! and the .45 acp truly is still a one shot stop, even though .40 s&w slightly outperforms it, the size and weight of that .45 acp still counts
Hardest hitting semi-auto caliber that's controllable. .40 is all I carry unless I'm carrying a revolver. In that case .357 in a 3" + bbl. LE since 1979 - 99, instructor since - seen it all. I don't need "extra" 9mm rounds in mag, I can hit what I am aiming at. Think about it - the same "improvements" that took place with 9MM cartridges also took place with .40. Still a better round IMO.
When all pistols are listed in order of the most one shot stops in a defense situation the .380 has most stops by far. I suppose it is because more people carry it.
Nothing wrong with the .40 S&W, I like the 10mm better. However, I carry a 9mm because it is easier to manage. If I knew I was going to get into a gun fight, I would bring a rifle or a shotgun. It is all about compromise. What is comfortable and what can you use well. Can you, or will you have it on you when it is needed. Spare tire at home, fire extinguisher in closet with cloths and others things piled on top?
The answer seems fairly simple. If you are not bothered by the recoil and you can control both cartridges equally well, given equivalent sized guns. You should go with the .40. diameter is of some benefit. If you need a smaller pistol or the recoil and muzzle flip cause your accuracy to deteriorate, or you feel you need the extra couple rounds. You should carry the 9mm.
My dad carries a .40. In his law enforcement career, he jas carried .357 mag, 9mm, and .40. He likes the .40. I just happened to get a good deal on a 9mm when I was younger, so thats what I carry. My pistol is a super soft shooter, and extremely accurate. I'm not necessarily recoil sensitive, but I tend to aim more naturally with the 9. I don't hesitate for that split second thinking about grip placement. I'm actually going to get a .45 for the house, where weight isn't an issue.
I love the .40 S&W round and tolerate the 9mm for certain types of deep carry , I reload with premium bullets so to me most factory ammo is under powered. For instance 9mm loaded to MPF velocities " MPF major power factor energy & velocity " used in Professional Pistol matches reach velocities of 1,450 fps, my carry loads average 1,325 fps . Also my .40 ammunition with 180gr premium bullets runs at 1,090 fps. I know , I know, I can hear the over penetration yelling already, and the invocation of the Sainted FBI 12-16 inch's of penetration 13th Commandment , but I'm a retired career Marine that served in two combat theaters and and I didn't see any FBI there testing their theories . Jeff Cooper " a noted combat veteran " invented the the 44 magnum for a reason, because he knew you should have the most powerful weapon possible when your life was on the line. So if I am limited to a weapon of small size, I am going to load it with the most powerful ammo available.
Some years ago when I decided to purchase a sidearm specifically for carry I was blissfully unaware of the caliber wars. I ended up with a .40. I found the performance of the premium 165 gr hollow points to be supeior. The gun is still cocealable but very powerful. Control is not an issue with proper grip(the same can be said of any handgun round) & as far as capacity goes well if I cant get the job done with 15 rounds of 40 probably not going to get done with 17 of 9mm. If convealment is not an issue sometimes I carry my Glock 21. Also a great stopper. My next purchase will likely be a subcmpact in 9mm. All 3 are good effective rounds. Carry what you shoot best.
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I don't care what the 9mm fanboys think, the .40 S&W is all around ballistically superior to 9mm in every aspect. Hell I even love the .40 S&W's big brother 10mm, just because it is a beast of a round.
I have 9mm, 40 s&w and 45 acp. I like them all. I also like having options to carry on different days. Never limit yourself.
Yesss. 40 S&W is probably my favorite but I love all handgun calibers. Even love plinking with a little 22 or 25 auto. Handguns are a blast regardless of caliber!!
Exactly having pistol caliber options and ammo options due to weather types and population number areas. Some days I pack a 40cal some 9mm some 380. Mostly a 40cal.
Celebrate diversity
All three are good to have because of availability of ammo😊
Advice, you should aways carry the same gun, in a stressful situation a person does not have time to try and remember what gun you have in your hand.
Rodney, your comment about bullet technology hit it on the head. I am also always confused when people say that 9mm is now equivalent to every other cartridge due to bullet technology presumes that technological advances are in a vacuum and were only applied to 9mm. I know many law enforcement agencies (mine included) that still either exclusively issue or have as optional issue handguns chambered in .40. From a purely logical and business standpoint, it makes no sense that manufacturers would limit their research to 9mm only when a successful business model operates on the premise of diversification. It makes no sense to limit your business to only one product when the demand exists for multiple products.
On a more personal note, I carried a .40 during my entire 25-year law enforcement career and my issue Glock 22 with .180 grain Winchester Ranger T ammo brought me through two officer-involved shootings. I understand folks are on the 9mm bandwagon however I have trusted my life to the .40 and it came through for me. Now that I have retired I continue to carry the .40 in a SIG P-229.
Are you? Confused? Really?
@@ShepherdsSheepdog he's definitely confused.
The Winchester Silvertip was the magic 9mm bullet of it's day, performed well in Jello according to the FBI and became a standard issue 9mm round. Yet despite perfect mushrooming and erratic travel thru the Hollywood bank robbers chest, hitting every major organ along the way, failed to stop him.
Throw some bones, cartilage, and organs/muscles of varying density if ya want a realistic result.
@ Kpak 2714
Power matters not? So your carrying a 380 right? You’re really missing a major factor in the research data, you are making the assumption that the people conducting the research did so from an unbiased perspective.
Everyone from civilian to LEO’s are citing the FBI data as if it’s gospel while ignoring that they have publicly acknowledged that it was their intention to find a 9mm that performed better than the 40 they were using. They are also ignoring that the FBI said that the data was specifically for the manner in which *THEY* utilize a handgun. Multiple people all firing multiple rounds until the suspect is motionless.
You missed the most important reason that is a real positive in favor of the 9mm. Capacity. A G19 holds 2 more rounds than my full size HK USP 40 with the flush fit and one less with the extended. My Hellcat holds the same with its extended as the flush fit of the HK.
Two other factors come into play. One is not everyone lives in the city & I carry as much for 2 legged attackers as I do 4 legged types. A partner of mine on the PD I was at shot a pit that jumped through the open window of his patrol car. Literally in his lap. Dog died of old age 8 years later. 9mm JHP’s from near contact distances. Lastly is confidence. If you don’t have confidence in the caliber for whatever reason then you are likely to not do as well with it.
9mm is fine. Handguns generally suck at stopping a threat immediately no matter the target. But don’t make the assumption that they are equal. There’s too many other factors at play.
Game warden and our police dept carry the 40.. 165 grain is better than the 125 9mil pea shooter.harder hits mean more knock down..
I absolutely love the 40 S&W. I've been carrying it for several years.💜👍
Just got mine... absolutely love it
A 40 S&W is a man's gun
9mm guys hate 40 because 40 is more powerful with almost the same round count. 45 guys hate it because it's more powerful with more round count.
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Not more powerful than 45acp when you throw +p into the equation 😜🤷♂️
@@kevinrichardson8859 True.I think it has 30-40 more energy at the muzzle. Not enough to justify losing 7-8 rounds. Also that would make a 45 more "snappy" and we know how 40sw haters dislike snappy. I am a fan of the trinity 10mm, 40sw, 357 sig. I carry 9mm often but 45acp is normally not in my rotation. I don't dislike it. Own several but the size + performance to capacity ratio just isn't good IMHO. 40 just seems to be the best of both worlds. Now if we can just get 357 sig more popular.
230 grain pills for the win
Couldn't agree more ....40 is all I carry
I carry an M&P shield in 40 cal. Everyday and never worry about my ability to stop an attacker !!! I bet my life on it !!!
I carried a Glock 23 for a number of years as a Deputy Sheriff. Felt quite well armed, although I'd have preferred the 165 Gold Dot rather than the 180.
Why the 165 over 180?
The 165 just seems perfect the velocity and ft lbs.
@@davehardan8323 165 gives 16" of penetration and a fully formed Mushroom. The 155 is less penetration and more Mushroom. The 180 is more penetration and less Mushroom and might go through a bad guy. Good for mountain lions though 👍
@@taasch2505 Right. That's my point. 2 holes are better than 1.
Underwood ammo my friend 155 grain hollow point 1200 fps second 582 ft lbs thats what I carry in my M&P and I carry 185 grain 45acp in my 1911 from underwood 1200fps second 592 ft lbs.
I have been carrying a SW 40c for 5 years now. I shoot it at least every month to keep familiar with it. I also have several 9's but prefer my 40 as I live in a 10 round restricted state. 10 rounds of 9 or 10 of 40. The 9 losses the capacity argument in restricted states.
interesting comment, I didn't even think about the restricted areas on capacity.
Something to think about for sure.
Not a valid argument. Some compacts carry 7 or 8 like the Shield. It's all about shot placement. I conceal a snub nose that only has 5 rounds of 357/38.
Boycott the restricted states...or they will just get "stricter" hit them in their pockets
@@kevinrichardson8859 that's what Barrett did. He stopped selling to California and CA law enforcement.
@@megaman010391 good for them for having a spine
.40 has great street credentials from LE ..known facts
I like the wide range of bullet weights that 40 s&w offers. Most go from 125 grain to 180. Very versatile cartrage
200gr ammo is available for 40S&W as well
@@mgsharnhorst To heavy for the 40 , I reload in 180 and 155 grain .
@@scottkeppler7442 eh, it penetrates a lot more than ball ammo, and velocity doesn't really matter that much with non expanding pistol rounds. Good for 4 legged assailants. Hogs don't like it very much at all.
@@scottkeppler7442 its hard-cast from Underwood and Buffalo Bore . For bears and such I guess
@@scottkeppler7442 200 hardcast .40 is known for good under 500 lb bear medicine
I have seen an interview with an ex Seal and Delta Force operator. They went from 45 to 40 to 9mm. When the interviewer asked why you changed from 40 to 9mm he did answer without any hesitation "cost". I think for LE cost is the main issue. Also for civilians. If the 40 would cost the same as 9mm I think much more would still use 40 S&W.
I got the 40sw when it was hot off the press , so to speak . Love the round , it will always be my favorite along with the 357 magnum.
You might also like the .357 SIG, and all you need is a barrel swap to run it in most .40s. Same magazines and everything.
@@joshklaver47 I'll have to look into that, thanks.
@@rvmagnum5415 Yeah, it offers basically the best performance possible without moving up to a 10mm size frame. Very flat-shooting and excellent against hard barriers. Agencies like the Secret Service and Federal Air Marshals love .357 SIG P229s. The ammo never gets snapped up during panic buying as well.
I've carried a 40 for nearly a decade and I absolutely love my FN FNP40. Have put thousands of rounds thru it and trained with it heavily
I agree. The warmer 165s give me that warm and cozy feeling deep within (no pun intended). Great production!
I’ve been shooting my entire life and refuse to argue with empirical fact:
the 40 S&W +P is hotter, flatter, and by far more powerful than any 9mm round available. Is the 9mm a good round? Absolutely yes. Even though my EDC’s are a Gucci Glock 19, a tricked out M&P Shield 9MM, or the 1911 in .45 AARP, my H&K USP 40 S&W has more muzzle energy than all of them.
Correct! Best overall handgun round for self defense. The Underwood 40+p rounds are VERY hot. I have not seen a 9mm round with anything close to their energy.
When the pandemic showed up 9mm was impossible to find & the few places that had it were selling each box for $49.99! But 40s&w & 45auto ammo was always in stock so I bought a full size Glock22 & loved it! I don't even like my Glock19 anymore but I'll keep it anyway. I feel like buying something chambered in 45auto just to see what it's like.
You really want some modularity? Buy a glock 20 or 29 (10mm) and you can buy barrels to shoot 45acp. Couple that with being able to shoot 40sw out of the 10mm already and you have one pistol that can handle 3 different calibers. Plus, you can even get barrels for it to shoot some other wildcat calibers.
if you gonna get a 45 be sure to get a 1911
Glock 21 all day, I got the g21 the g22 and the g23 lol
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That's the one I might just have to get since 1911s & HK USP45 are too expensive. My friend has a Glock21 & it's surprisingly a smooth shooter even with +Ps very accurate too. 45acp ammo is in stock in huge quantities where I'm from so is 40s&w.
@@perplexingperceptions8888 I sold my 1911 and am looking into getting another. I have a HK USP Expert in 45, no question HK makes great stuff I have 3 lol.
But definitely can't be let down with the 21, you ever see the 460 rowland conversions? You can do all kinds of crazy conversions with it. Also other dude had it wrong, the g20 can't be converted to 45 unless you swap the whole slide. The g21 can be barrel swapped for 10mm though.
I tossed a tlr1HL on my 21 and the recoil is next to none. Never shot +p in it though, the standard 230 hsts are already nasty.
40 is an awesome pistol caliber.
I chose 40 in the 1990s when I transitioned from 357 magnum revolvers to autoloaders. Considered 9, 45 & even 10 but went with 40. I have carried off and on all the above mentioned plus 357 Sig but tend to come back to 40. All are great viable personal protection offerings. Quality, reliable ammo and good shot placement are part of the success or failure in a life threatening situation regardless what caliber or gun we might choose. Thanks. Well done. Subscribed.
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I love the 40 arguments. My wife and I both have carried 40 cal m&ps for years. Mine is a full size and hers is a shield. All of our friends, including hunting buddies, get frustrated when she makes them look bad in pistol, rifle, shotgun, and bow shooting 🤣. And she's the hottest woman I've ever seen to boot. Man I'm blessed! You have to practice and don't be skeered (scared). I really don't care what people carry or if they carry at all, just don't try to feed me a bunch of bs when I know different through research and experience. I can't stand glocks and glocktards but I can't argue with their reliability. If a glock was what I had to trust my life to I would. Why? Because of facts, not opinion.
As a 40 lover this is my kind of video! Great Work!
I have never owned a 40... I was lucky I bought a 9mm for my 1st gun when 40 was super popular 15 years ago. As time goes on I have come to respect it though. I think even a 40 fmj would be a formidable defense cartridge in a shtf situation.... Vs 9mm fmj which is at the very bottom of what I would want to use.
9x19 FMJ will kill you effectively.
The flat nose of the 40s&w would make it feel like it transferred more energy to the target than round nose bullets that usually zap into fleshy targets.
.40 is very serviceable and more barrier blind than 9. Good to have options as well in a draught.
I’d take 40 instead of 9 any day
Have 1 of each
love when you do videos on the .40 s&w
Yes
Me too, it's my favorite pistol caliber.
I like the 40 caliber. My carry gun is a 40. But I prefer the lighter bullets 155 or 165 grain bullets. 180 grain have lower velocities. Also I reload 40 caliber and when reloading 180 grain 40 caliber you got to really watch the powder that you use and the case pressures. Just reloading a few tenths of a grain over the starting load can really raise the case pressures with some powders with 180 grain bullets. A lot of police departments have dropped the 40 caliber and went back to 9mm which I think is a big mistake. 40-caliber has considerable more energy foot-pounds on the target than 9 m m
I use the glock 27 as my ddaily carry and use the underwood 135gr sporting hollow points. Theyre rated at 1400fps and 588 ft/lbs. im sure theyll be a bit lower due to the shorter barrel, but they are no joke.
I am not familiar with that load but sounds scary from here. Thanks for viewing!
My Glock 27 with a longer Wolf screw-end barrel adds about 1" length for greater velocity 😁 and still perfect for carry.
they will be significantly lower velocity but .40 tends to do better with shorter barrels in terms of energy loss
problem is that the G27 or glock .40s in general are not up to the pounding that .40 provides. they are 9mm frames with bigger barrels basically. not built for the extra oomph
I hate glocks but glad you like the 40 .
@@bobjones-bt9bh THats why I hate glocks and have a MP smith.
I thoroughly enjoyed your videos on the 40 S&W. I'm retired law enforcement (30+years). My last duty weapon was a Glock 22 gen4. I feel the gun writers are being paid to shovel dirt over the 40 S&W. One very famous gun writer said on one of his many you tube videos that the 9mm equals the stopping power and performance of the 40 S&W and the 45acp. Yey in another video he said when travels to states with 10 round magazine capacities he opts for his 1911 in 45acp rather than his Beretta 92F. I shot my best semi-auto qualification scores with my Glock 22 gen4, even better than any 9mm before, including the Glock 19 gen3.
so whats your theory on why theyd be paid to prefer 9mm and by whom??
@@Superset71 yet still they perform very similarly lol.
.40 with the current high tech projectiles are right up there with the best of all handgun effectiveness. 155 grain or 165 grain Hydra Shock.
Love my 40 S&W! Have put around 500 rounds through it without 1 jam or malfunction! I always keep it oiled and clean and I use white box Winchester 180 FMJ! 🇺🇸
I have handguns in six different calibers. My favorite of them all is my Smith & Wesson SD40VE. I bought it for $330 a few years ago and I just love the thing!
I agree. Got my SD40VE in 2007, gave less than 300. It has never had a malfunction. I also have 3 other calibers, but no favorites. My EDC is a P365 because of size.
Carried a 10MM for years, had minor problems with the Glock 20, cleared up. Carrying the Glock 20 on the hip got heavy after 10 years. Now carry a Glock 22 and 27 . My bullet choice is 165 gr. HST, GOLD DOTS, and Ranger T series excellent expansion on all.
I love the 40 caliber
i have said that countless times, about competing for 9mm and 5.56x45mm, thankfully i like .40 s&w and 6.8 spc
AIM just got in some 6.8. Haven't seen any in stock in a while
I started carrying the 40 s &w because it is stronger than 45 .
I also like the 165 grain . I practice 25 yards to 100 yards .
its close I carry a 40 M&P I use underwood 155 grain 1200fps 582 ft lbs. , and in my 1911 I use underwood 185 grain 45acp 1200 fps 592 ft pounds. either way there both great rounds .
that 165 grain in 40 sw is as good as it gets. Mild recoil + huge energy trasfer for a pistol. love it. I do carry a 9 but only because at diamondback db9 in 40 would be has hard on you as the bad guy.
As a potential new gun owner, I decided to go with a Glock .40 cal. This video is an excellent guide to the different types of ammo I can use for a .40 cal. I didn't know that fans of 9mm vs. .40 cal are like Chevy vs. Ford trucks.
Good video. When I retired in ‘97 we were issued the Glock 23 in .40 but a couple of years ago my former agency began issuing the Glock 19 in 9MM for a couple of reasons. One, they claimed smaller officers had less trouble qualifying & the .40 was wearing out the service weapons too fast. I have to question the latter since we only qualified twice a year, about a hundred rounds total.
It seems most LE are moving away from .40 to 9mm and some back to .45 ACP. I know here where I live unless things changed again they went from the G22 to an M&P45. Then some dept here were using .45 GAP sure they have canned that by now. There is multiple dept here though I know at least the cops that I had my last classes with to get other state CCW permits said they were then carrying M&P45s but I know they used to have Glock 22s. I think the state police were using .45 GAP but sure that has changed by now probably something like a Glock 17 now. Then there is Horry County PD, NMB and all the other police departments probably mostly consisting of a Glock of some sort pretty sure most all were Glock 22 but that was 10-15 years ago probably most have changed by now but I know at least MBPD was carrying M&P45s unless its changed again since then
Thanks for viewing! Police Department's often times ,unfortunately, use many criteria to choose a caliber, and budget ranks near the top of that list. Not saying that they are putting their officer's at risk with the 9mm but they also do take lot's into account not related to terminal ballistics.
@Kev Campbell I was involved in three on duty shootings w/my issued .38 and it did the job in all but one instance, and that guy was up on cocaine, felt no pain. The difference between the two rounds, .40 & 9MM is so slight either will work given proper shot placement. Stay safe sir.
@@AmmoMart I have been watching quite a few body cam videos of fairly recent police shootings. From what I have seen, the 9mm. is performing piss poorly. These pencil pushers should be ashamed of themselves. I mean,I can see the FBI not giving a crap about anyone; but these state and county commissioners are putting their officers at risk with this penny pinching crap.
@Peter Angles
That's what I've tried telling people. There's an article where some guy named masad ayoob who put 80K rounds through a stock Glock22 gen 3 without stopping in one day & only a few small parts had to be replaced.
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, especially for full-size/duty semi-auto handguns!
although 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for 10mm auto though!
Between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr being the ideal bullet weight for the .40 s&w!
A bonded 155gr .40 s&w JHP moving at 1200 fps hitting with 500 fpe and expanding to a minimum of .70"/75% is about as ideal as you can get!
I bought some Federal 155 grain FMJ loads for my Glock22 & was blown away! Fatter & heavier than any 9mm load & lightning fast!
@@perplexingperceptions8888 i know! and like buddy said, in shtf or panic buying you won't be competing for the 9mm, which 90% of the population will be
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The test shows that 180gr is not to heavy for the 40
@@mgsharnhorst i disagree
Great video! I got my 1st S&W .40 last month. I do not feel anymore recoil than my 9mm pistols; being the 9mm's I have are all Taurus G2C's and G3C's. The heavier S&W .40 and longer barrel works great. They hit my steel targets atleast 20% harder and leave much bigger dents! It is now my main carry weapon, but I have all my Taurus 9mm's at home because I have so many magazines and rounds available at home. While carrying my .40 I am limited to three 14 rounds loaded magazines; but if I feel I needed more, the 50 round box of ammo I have in my car will be enough in an emergency. Someone asked me: "Why do you need so many bullets just to drive to work and back?" I never even thought of such a question in my life: My reply: "Why do you wear a seat belt everytime you drive your car? Do you think you are going to get in a head-on crash today?"
40 is a great round. Not for everyone. If you can handle the extra recoil, The bigger hole and extra foot lbs of energy will give a slight edge over 9mm. The 9mm fanboys always bring up the shot placement argument. Which is true, but paper targets don’t move and shoot back. If I could make a head shot every time, then yeah. 9mm or even a 22 would be sufficient. Been carrying a G22 and P229 for years
I always laugh when some limp-wristed soy boy makes the recoil argument. My department carried and qualified with full power .40 duty loads. Prior to that we all carried dept issued .357 magnum with full power duty loads. We had an average of twenty female deputies who also handled the recoil with no complaints. What the hell happened to men in this country? I guess they should hire some of those little 100lb females to show them how to man up lol!
does that make you a .40 cal fanboy?
Very solid video, thank you. For me, the bottom line is this:
While 9mm can kill whitetail deer with a single well-placed shot, there’s very rarely any significant blood trail to follow and the deer generally live long enough to run a great distance without any visible signs of being injured.
For .40, .45, and .357 Sig, this is simply not the case. All three of these cartridges produce fast, clean kills, often with good blood trails, and the deer never make it very far at all after the shot.
So I can use the .40 S&W and get a significant boost in terminal ballistics, including much better performance through barriers, and only lose maybe a couple rounds of capacity, while having a gun that’s the same size as a 9mm, and what I’d call a very minor and completely justified increase in recoil?
The real question is what on earth would compel me to use anything BUT .40 S&W and forget about the 9.
40 A&W is in my opinion overlooked and way underrated these days. Every advancement afforded to 9 mm technology also applies to 40 and 45. 9 is a great round, it will work and do it's job well. 40 and 45 will do that and more. Great video. Glad to see others still appreciate a great caliber.
Thank you for viewing and I couldn't agree more. Much maligned for some very dubious reasons. Stay safe and keep shooting.
the root beer 40
I everyday carry a G27 with a G23 13rd mag with 180 golden sabers I trust my life with it
for an affordable, effective, readily available pistol caliber for black bear country - where you want penetration - i think there is very little that can beat a .40 with buffalo bore hard casts. big slug, high speed, good capacity. sure, 10mm would be a hair hotter, but i doubt in a black bear that matters much and .40 is always cheaper. honestly, i'd probably be comfortable with flat nose fmj in a pinch for that scenario.
I live in black bear country and have had the experience of having my trout taken from me by a bear. I did not shoot the bear because he didn't want me he wanted to eat some fish, but I would have had no trouble dispatching him if I had needed to with the 40 Smith I carry. My .357 just got to heavy to carry all the time. It stretches the suspenders to much.
@@russellkeeling9712
Same thing happened to me a few years ago while camping a black bear showed up & grabbed the bag of McDonald's cheeseburgers I had LMAO 🤣 I didn't even try stopping him. I had my Ruger GP100 6" stainless with Federal champion 158 grain JSP rounds on my hip but since it didn't try anything on me I just left it alone.
My favorite 40sw carry load is the Underwood 135gr Nosler JHP that has a Muzzle Velocity of 1400 FPS and Muzzle Energy of 588 Ft/Lbs being a Nosler Projectile it is design to mushroom at a 1300-1600 FPS velocity while maintaining at least 95% of its original weight and it almost doubles its diameter when it mushrooms. I also keep that projectile in my 10mm Pistols where the Velocity is increase to 1600 FPS and Energy goes up to 768 Ft/Lbs! Underwood makes AWESOME Defensive Ammo because they match the best projectiles to the powder load they are going to use and match that to the Purpose of that Ammo whether is Hunting, Home Defense, Target Shooting or Personal Defense.
Have you seen the gel tests???
@@EvilynKing I have seen the Gel Test and I have read many reports written by police officer that used 40sw pistols during Police Involved shooting incidents and the 40sw has KILLED more Criminals than 9mm when you compare the same amount of shooting during the same time period but officers using different calibers. The main Reason the most PDs switched back to 9mm is because the Obama's DOJ under Erik Holder made it mission to go after PD officers and Agencies that had killed suspects during deadly force incidents and 40sw beat both 9mm and 45acp in the number of kills. The Winchester Ranger 40SW 155gr JHP a direct descendent of the NOW Discontinued Black Talon Ammunition is a great example of LEO 40sw ammo that gets the job done with just a couple of rounds because of the 1250 FPS Muzzle Velocity and nearly 575 Ft/Lbs of Muzzle Energy coming out of a Glock 22 40sw one of the most prolific Police Issued Pistols of the last 30 years.
I found during the scamdemic full power 10mm ammo was pretty easy to find and bought .40 s&w hp ammo when I found it, which wasn't too hard. 9mm fmj steel case ammo could be found, the other types not so much and this is in MO., in the summer of 2020.
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My first firearm that I ever bought was a smith 40. I got it a little over twenty years ago and still have it today.
You earned my respect sir.I am so tired of hearing all the 40 haters.
My EDC S&W M&P.40c 165gr HP for last 15 yrs. I absolutely ❤ it!
The main reason I got into the 40s&w was pistol prices years ago, I was able to buy a 40s&w at a much lower price compared to the 9mm, bought a Glock 23 Gen4 for $449, FNS-40 $359, CZ P-09 in 40s&w for $429 and these were all New not used prices ...
There's a reason for that savings.
While splitting hairs re the cost of a firearm how much is your ammo? I shoot enough that a variation of several hundred dollars in the cost of a gun is irrelevant.
You can get some really good deals on all the LE trade ins too. Really on all calibers but especially the .40 pistols and they are pretty abundant. Can get some really good deals on Sig 226, 229, Glock 23, 22, 27, and M&P40 seems like they are always like $100 less then the same LE trades in 9mm. I have a few LE trades they might have some finish wear from being carried every day but that is it they rarely ever get shot besides when they have to qualify they probably never see much of any other use. The ammo prices are up now but not long ago .40 S&W wasn't but a couple dollars more then 9mm and at times you can't find any 9mm but there will still be .40 on the shelves.
@@JesseLJohnson , yeah, some of my local shops get plenty of LE surplus.
@@phillipneill7315 anyone who shoots a lot would reload though right? Then cost is pretty much irrelevant between them.
Glocks sucks
9 mm. guys say they have more rounds. I carry a Beretta PX-4 storm subcompact w/ a regular full-size Storm mag. giving me 17+1 in .40 with a back-up 17 round mag. 35 rounds in 2 mags should be plenty.
Just to inform your viewers, there was a 17-year study done which went into very detailed analysis testing ALL handgun ammo calibers to find out which caliber was best at taking the "bad guy" out of the fight. All up and all in, there were 2 calibers that tied for 1st place. Place your bets, folks. The .357 magnum and the .40 S&W. Too many cops have told me horror stories about carrying the 9mm and its' lack of effectiveness. My brother-in-law is a Chicago Swat cop and on duty, he HAS to carry a 9. Off-duty, he carries a .40. That made my decision very easy.
Great video , I like the way you do them
My EDC is 40 s&w 165 grain 1,050 fps 400 ft lb of muzzle energy , To me as a civilian that is perfection , being a very controlling cartridge . When I want more all's I do is change ammo
As far as the Bashers , Oh well I have mine and they have theirs , and there's no doubt in my mind that the. 32 super carry will take off very well
165 is the sweet spot for 40. Seems to be most blind to difference in barrel length, and RIPS through just about any barrier you can throw it at even in an edc gun.
I have had all of the premium 9mm pistols, but not anymore, just don`t seem to keep them. I have two .40 pistols, one a medium barrel and the other one a long barrel. I reload and also cast my own bullets. The medium barrel is for in the house and the longer barrel is for deer hunting. They both shoot about the same for accuracy. They have replaced my .357 revolver because of round capacity. An excellent cartridge for an experienced reloader.
Love my MP 40 as well as my SR1911 not a fan of the 9. I reload my 40 and 45 as well . Dont understand why the 40 is so hated ? From my Speer reloading manual the best round for the 40 is the 155 grain , 1221 feet per second ,513 ft pounds of energy , the problem is reloading components are hard to get .
My first pistol I bought was a Sig P226 in .40. When I did my best shooting with it (my skills have perished a bit), I felt almost no recoil because I was extremely strong and I had an incredibly efficient grip and posture and I knew how to anticipate recoil because I was so familiar and so practiced with the pistol. It's still my favorite gun to shoot.
P226 in 40 is an outstanding handgun, and you are correct that with some practice most adults should be able to manage the recoil with no problem.
The reputation that the .40 has being hard to control is a mystery to me. It is not like it is a handheld .500 Nitro Express. The 9mm fan boy club speaks of the .40 as if it is some kind of hand cannon and it just isn't. It is an excellent round as are many other calibers. IF it is too snappy for some then don't carry it. If the 9mm is too snappy don't carry it. It really is all about practice and what fits the individual not what the fan boy caliber clubs think one should carry.
If you, like the last generation of cops, transitioned from the .357 then the .40 is no big deal. If you weigh 90 pounds and are new to shooting, then you notice the .40 is a step up from the 9mm for recoil. That is the deal. Back in the day cops were averaging over 6 ft and 200 pounds. Now days cops are averaging smaller and there are a lot more women on the force. It cost less to train them on the 9mm. and one of those cost factors is controlling the recoil. All too often civilians followed law enforcement. They jumped on the bandwagon and are now falling off for the sole reason that law enforcement agencies are transitioning to the 9mm. Additionally, some early .40 guns ie glorified 9mm's enlarged to take a .40, looking squarely at Glock, fell apart while firing the .40. Now that all manufacturers have beefed up their guns as they should have done in the beginning. no more issues firing the .40.
@@alumniduck The size and weight of the firearm determines a lot in the recoil. A 9mm pocket pistol with full loads has a lot more recoil that a full sized 9mm. The same holds true for all firearms. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The heavier firearm absorbs some of that reaction.
@@russellkeeling9712 Don't compare apples to oranges. Take, for instance, a sig 226 in 9mm and one in .40 and there is no denying the .40 kicks more. More lead, more powder and more energy translates into more recoil. There is no getting around that. Just as you can't get around the laziness and ignorance that people have when they say a .40 kicked too much. In reality, All it takes is a good instructor and a bit of practice and all is good with a .40. Lastly, I really don't mind that the .40 scares off the ignorant. Let them go to the gun store and fight over the last 9mm's while I casually stroll in and get the .40.
I believe its because people hear something and they just go with it instead of trying to make up their own minds , the .40 s&w is my favorite pistol cartridge easy to shoot. imho
Yeah, and the same people who say that .40SW is too much are the same people going nuts for all these new 10mm guns.
I just don't get it. To these people, .40 is simultaneously "too much" and "short and weak."
My hide away home defense gun is a Firestar in .40 S&W and one of my backups. is a Browning HP also in .40 S&W along with my 686 plus .357 magnum. My go to gun is a 5904 9mjm . Good presentation.
Well it's not a secret anymore lmao 😂
Funny, my standard EDC round since it hit the market has been the Remington 180gr Golden Saber JHP and not only because of its performance, but also because out of my Glock 23, Glock 27 and Glock 35 it hits about exactly the same point of impact as the Remington 180gr FMJ that I use for range practice, plinking and local IDPA/IPSC competition.
That 180gr FMJ does penetrate more than the JHP too, so it's also my out and about stroll in the boonies round of choice, for the off chance of running into a ill tempered 4 legged predator who might not be otherwise dissuaded of thinking of us as his mid day snack... So, yeah. To say that I am a .40"S&W/Glock fan boy is quite the understatement.
Nice review!
I have guns in 380, 9mm, 40, 357 Sig, 45, & 10mm. My EDC is a Glock 23. I consider the 40 & the 357 to be the best self defense calibers. The slight added recoil is easy to deal with if you practise.....something you should do no matter what round you choose. So might as well go with something that punches a bit more.
I've owned and shot .40 cal pistols since the mid 90's. I recently acquired some 9mm pistols and I like both calibers personally. In my experience, bullet weights in the 155 to 165 grain range shoot the most accurate in .40 S&W. In 9mm my guns seem to like 124 grain but I'm still trying different loads in them and each gun is different. Both are excellent self defense calibers and I do not feel under gunned carrying either one. Caliber arguments are silly, shot placement is the key, caliber is almost irrelevant. A hit to the bad guys forehead with a .22 beats a miss with a .45 any day.
Most people don't get to pick and choose where the shot placement actually ends up. To many factors, hence a little more power incase you just hit some plain ol meat.
Can't tell you how many handguns and calibers I have but the one I keep available in my nightstand is a .40 g22
I like 165 or a 180 going at least 1000,so many great choices,155 xtp at 1300 is near 357 mag 125 at 1450 and 27% bigger hole.
Winchester makes the best bonded cup core hollowpoint, I like the RA 40 b in 180.
Full power .357 will send a 125 at over 1600fps. 40 is a great round, but it doesn't come close to the .357 Magnum.
10mm guys hate the .40s&w because they paid all of that money and their ammo is watered down to .40 levels. Yes, the 9mm ammo has developed, but so too has body armor. Anybody can buy level II really cheap now. It fits right under that hoodie! There is no substitute for mass, just as there is no substitute for velocity. The new bullets are great though, but AP is illegal.
I've always felt that in 40s&w the 155 to 165gr bullet weight is where it's at.
Fiocchi loads the good ole Hornady XTP hollow point in 50 round boxes in 185 grain and 165 grain. The XTP bullet will give you optimum performance in a higher velocity application but the performance is still excellent in both weights ime and under $30 dollars for 50 rounds of quality defensive ammo is awesome nowadays.
Thanks for your convincing post. You have demonstrated good evidence of why my local police department uses .40 S&W and has done so for many years. At this moment, I'm carrying .40 S&W.
I love my M&P Shield .40 and I’ve shot both the 9 and .40 and the felt recoil is negligible. Sometimes it feels like the 9mm actually has more.
We dispatch a lot of hogs at our ranch. The .40 puts them down noticeably better than 9mm, both the .380 and 9mm still do a great job and have confidence carrying all 3 calibers.
Define noticeably better? Do you typically always shoot them broadside - heart and lungs area? Or headshots?
@@permanenceaesthetic6545 i mix it up with headshots, neck, and chest cavity. Anatomy matters, but I consistently use less rounds per hog with .40 when comparing an equal shot placement (ie when it’s not the perfect head or sever the spinal cord shot, in that case they pretty much drop every time), and the time it takes to incapacitate is shorter. For example some of our traps are 25-30 foot round pens with a trap door. If i want to put a hog down with chest cavity shots before it can run from one side to the other, i can stop them in the usually 1/2 way with the .40 with a couple of rounds.. the 9 is close but sometimes i can put them down in the same distance and rounds as the 40, but other times i have to put extra rounds into them and they get 3/4 or all the way across the pen before they are incapacitated. Same is true with the .380, but usually takes 3/4s or the whole length of the pen. They all work though, and I carry based on size and weight constraints of the upcoming situation I’ll be in.
@@permanenceaesthetic6545 i have the most confidence in stopping a threat with a .40 if they are trying to close the gap.
@@christaylor4086
Solid, real world info. Thank you for that. I always like to hear from somebody else who actually uses their equipment rather than just talking about it.
Fun fact: I center punched a mangy, feral cat not once, but twice with 230 grain .45 ACP HST hollowpoints, and that cat is still alive to this day. Sometimes, reality is truly stranger than fiction.
@@permanenceaesthetic6545 ha yeah, some animals are just tough as nails and refuse to go down right away.
I really like the 40 S&W. Seen a 40 and a 9mm shot at a ballistic plate. 9mm made a teaspoon bulge at back of plate however the 40 S&W was more the size of a larger spoon. That’s all I needed to convince me. I know agencies all over moving to 9mm. Lucky not yet for me. But I beehive it’s only because of training cost of ammo and that smaller frames people handle recoil of 9mm better. Will always be a 40 fan and also a 9 fan. But if I had a personal choice I would carry 40S&W.
Always nice to see a test of a .40!
I have an S&W Shield .40. Excellent gun, excellent round. The .40 is just another option that people include for their defensive carry. And it is damn effective. In light of the positives, why not? I also have an S&W 9mm pistol, a Glock 357 Sig and a Ruger 380. I simply make my choice for that day. I think some people make too big a deal out of it.
When the FBI decided to switch back to 9 mm I read their findings. After reviewing all documented police, FBI, self defense shooting data it appears there is no real difference in one shot stops between.380-9mm-40sw or 45! Also stoping power is not a thing. They determined it takes a shot to a vital organ to stop someone in their tracks (heart-lungs-brain) and from the data it’s clear anyone of those calibers will do the job as well as the others! So they decided to go with the caliber that is the easiest to control and holds the most rounds. Of course a 45 is hitting with more energy and punching a bigger plug in you then 9 mm! But that’s not what stops people quickly and effectively. A shot to the brain heart or spine is what quickly incapacitates someone and it doesn’t matter if it’s a 380-9mm-40 or 45! So everyone needs to stop arguing and spend that time and energy training with whatever gun they choose to carry! That’s per the FBI not me! Makes sense in my head but argue with them if you disagree I didn’t spend the time going through the autopsies and police reports to come to this conclusion they did!
Back in the early 90's I was a .357 Mag snob. When the FBI switched to .40 I was intrigued. I bought a S&W 4006. Big, heavy chunk of steel. When Sig introduced the P229 in .40 I jumped on it, again because the FBI was issuing that pistol. I was hooked. I carried that 229 for years. Now my EDC is a new S&W M&P 40 2.0 4". I have added a CZ PCR 9mm in my rotation and don't feel under-armed. Bottom line is to know the gun, shoot it a lot and hit where you need to. My Dad was a LEO. Once while showing off at the range with him I handed him my target. He held it against his chest and said, "That works."
You have good taste in 40 S&W handguns. The P229 and 4006 (especially TSW) are both truly outstanding, and for a polymer model the M&P is very nice as well, but not in the league of the other two.
Nice video. Different rounds, different guns, everything a comparison and analysis needs. I bought my 40 caliber six or seven years ago when I didn’t know much and got it at a great price point. If had to do it all over again knowing what I know now I probably would have went with a 9 mm but now that my EDC has been a .40 for quite some time I thoroughly enjoy it and will probably continue to carry it as my EDC. If for no other reason, so the 9 mm fan boys can continue give me crap and make fun of me about it. It definitely has some snap, but like with anything, practice and training is paramount to good shooting.
.40 S&W was indeed one of the only rounds left on the shelf at the gun stores during the pandemic. ...Made me consider the cartridge, but I skirted it & just went with 10mm since there are some cartridge manufacturers that make powerful ammo for the 10mm, & it would be my most powerful pistol cartridge.
Can't go wrong with 10mm
Also, most 10mm pistols will run .40 if you want to save on ammo at the range.
@@joshklaver47 i think Glocks are the only suspect prone to mess up when shooting 40. But i don't have proof. I've only heard it prematurely wears out your extractor and barrel.
I have a lot of 9mm pistols and ammo and that is what I carry on a daily basis but I do have one pistol chambered in 40 S&W for back up if 9mm becomes hard to find like it has been recently. I don't believe that 9mm is in the same league as .40 as far as stopping power goes but I need to carry a more concealable firearm so I settle for 9mm. I have heard but I can't say for sure that the majority of police departments use 9mm +P+ for better stopping power. So if the police feel the need to use souped up 9mm ammo to get the stopping power they want then I would say .40 is probably a better choice.
You should try 155gr winchester silvertips in 40 s&w. It's a bit hotter than the pdx1.
Winchester silvertip work great in deer and hogs. The silvertips in 9mm and 40s&w are loaded hot, but I don't like the 10mm silvertips as they are loaded light for a 10mm.
I use, and carry, a Glock 22 with 40 cal 165 grain Hornady Critical Defense rounds in it. For myself it's a very effective round and extremely accurate. Unfortunately I just checked with Ammo Mart and their selection is not very good. Would like to see better pricing and more bulk packs? Then again I think we all would!
When we had the ammo shortages. All the 9mm was gone at my local stores but they had plenty of .40 S&W around just chilling on the shelves.
I think 9mm is a good all around choice especially with today’s bullet tech. However as others mention that bullet tech benefits the larger rounds too. So that’s why when I do carry an autoloader for self defense it’s always my Glock 23c 40s&w. Honestly the biggest reason I have pistols in 9mm is so I can use ammo for that chambering as well. I have 45 acp pistols too.
If we are required to use modern bullet tech to make it equal, then all that stockpiled ammo that’s mostly FMJ speaks volumes. FMJ sucks for all of them, and there’s times that each caliber does a little better with FMJ. But as a general rule 40 & 45 performance with them is slightly better. Is it enough to make a difference? Probably not. But it’s enough to give pause. Especially if you live in a shit hole like NJ that outlawed JHP for peasants. 45 & 40 might be better in that situation.
I came very late to the .40 S&W camp. I started mu LEO career with .357 Magnum. When I retired I went with .45 ACP in a Glock model 41. Then I got a SIG SAUR P220. I snuck a Taurus G3 just to see if 9mm was as wimpy as I remembered. It was.
I finally joined the .40 club with a S&W Model 410 all steel. A Clinton gun it only had 10 rounds. Embraced the Glock Model 22 next and didnt think it could get any better until i purchased an HK Vp40. Oh, man. I've really stocked up on a few thousand rounds of .40 S&W.
My reloading bench looks like the 40 had possessed it.
My new Henry Big Boy Mod X is bringing back the great straight walls of .38 Special /.357 Magnum in a big way though. Im even buying a lead melter!
Love your honest opinion about the 40 and bullet technology.
what gets me is these same people bashing the .40 as unmanageable will do high-school style cheerleader back flips over the 10mm.. my favorite weight in .40 is 155gr.
We are not all Glock fanboys!!!
hallelujah
I'm a 40 freak. Love that round! 9 is fine, but 40 is better. My son runs a gun shop, went to visit him, and he knows I'm a 40 freak. He pointed out a new trade in he had with the words, your favorite caliber Pop. So I now have a Walther P99c sitting on layaway.
Full size metal frame 40 s&w is my go to.
I’m a .40 cal guy. My first firearm was a Glock 23 gen 4. However within the last 2-3 years I have switch my EDC to 9mm (Glock 43X w/ shield arm magazines) due to round capacity & performance. My department had also switched from .40 S&W (Glock 22) to 9mm (Glock 45). I still love my .40 and fully trust my life with it however I’ll probably still continue to carry my 9mm.
I think people should not worry so much about what other people carry.
Such as ? calibers or brand names were talking about the 40.
No one's worried! It's a discussion/conversation...your communication skills are probably trash.
I'll add this comment because it'll come up before my primary one. It is currently 2023. I have been teaching shooting since 1970. I have applied every type of shooting hold that there is. Just to see which ones work and which ones don't. The most tactically sound shooting hold that there is is the Weaver stance. You can fire it from up close to you when you're in very confined spaces to almost fully extended. You can shoot at different angles without turning your body if necessary. It absorbs recoil very nicely. The worst hold that I see normally, is the isosceles. Is it stable. Yes. If you try to negotiate through a house or some such thing, you're holding the firearm out so far that it Easley turn bad for you because you're presenting the firearm to your enemy, not maintaining control of it. One other caveat. When you go to practice. Dedicate at least a good percentage of your practice with shooting one handed. And that not only means with your strong hand but with your weak hand. You never know when you're going to be injured to a point where you're only shooting one handed. I ended up in that condition one time when I broke my primary hand and had to carry my firearm in a left-hand holster and shoot it left-handed. Luckily I had already trained to shoot left-handed. I was actually capable of shooting slightly better left-handed than right-handed. But not as quickly. It was an adequate trade-off in my book.
Modern 9mm is a wonderful compromise. Recoil is manageable for everyone, and bullet technology means it gets the job done. 40 SW will certainly get the job done and maybe even better, but at the cost of a little more recoil. All else equal, carry what you are most proficient with.
I have a Beretta 96 and love it. The only reason I don't carry it is because it's too large and heavy. My G43 is just so easy to carry, but the Beretta will always be on my nightstand.
Might get a 9mm eventually, I've always liked my 40s.
Love my .40. (S & W SVE40) Been shooting it for almost 15 years and it has never failed. Zero malfunctions. I also have a compact 9. I don't believe an attacker would know the difference between the two if comparable ammo was used. (HP compared to ball)
That was cool 👍 , for human’s that don’t know if you get a Glock 40 S&W you can always get a 40-9mm conversion barrel , that way you have one toy with two calibers stay safe you all 👋
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Or a 357 sig barrel and have 3 calibers
@@FoulPet if loaded Hot 🔥.357sig = 9mm Magnum.
@@johnwelsh4750 Not sure why it's not more popular. 12+1 rounds of 125 grains going 357 mag velocities is just nice.
My goal is to get all my glocks in 40cal because it is a great cartridge. Not only that but if you want you can also shoot 9mm by dropping a 9mm conversion barrel😎
A very good and concise presentation. I've never been a 40 fan even though I have one. I'm more of a 10mm shooter but the 40 shows promise.
i'll take 15 rounds of .40 s&w any day over 17 rounds of 9mm
Me too. Where I'm from police are shooting criminals 5 times or more & they always survive, but many years ago when they still carried Glock22s 40s&w it took 2-3 shots & sometimes even got 1 shot stops. Police around the country swear by the effectiveness of 40s&w.
@@perplexingperceptions8888 i totally agree, 9mm is overrated, overhyped and underperforming! 9mm fanboys only obsess over it because they take their opinions and choices from government force arms for some very odd strange reason, the checklist for needs of government is very different than theirs, the government force arms mainly choose 9mm because of cost and weight/amount ratio(military)
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I forgot to mention that those police are using the new bullet technology that 9mm fanboys always bring up in every conversation & the violent attackers still make it to the hospital & survive after getting shot multiple times by the new bullet tech.
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From what I've heard & seen even the slow moving 45auto is more effective than 9mm.
@@perplexingperceptions8888 exactly, also, they always compare 9mm to .40 s&w for wear/tear, follow-up shots, accuracy, muzzle-rise/flip, cost and pressure...but they are using regular 9mm ball ammo, which has the same pressure as .40 s&w, the exact same, 35,000psi, so i don't get why they call .40 s&w a "high pressure cartridge caliber", and when they use, especially carry 9mm +p & 9mm +p+(which creates it's own problems, training with regular 9mm and carrying 9mm +p & 9mm +p+) the pressure of those rounds increases by 10% each time, so 38,500psi and 42,000psi respectively, so it is the 9mm that is a "high pressure cartridge caliber" if anything, in relative terms compared to the .40 s&w anyways! and those +p rounds are harder on guns and create worse results in all the things above i mentioned that they lay on the feet of the .40 s&w, and not too mention cost more...much more than regular .40 s&w fmj
yup i like the .45 acp too, great round, much better than 9mm, you can get 15+ in the fn fnx, and even 10 rounds .45 acp in a compact is better than 15 rounds 9mm in a compact, everyone carries extra mags! and the .45 acp truly is still a one shot stop, even though .40 s&w slightly outperforms it, the size and weight of that .45 acp still counts
Hardest hitting semi-auto caliber that's controllable. .40 is all I carry unless I'm carrying a revolver. In that case .357 in a 3" + bbl. LE since 1979 - 99, instructor since - seen it all. I don't need "extra" 9mm rounds in mag, I can hit what I am aiming at. Think about it - the same "improvements" that took place with 9MM cartridges also took place with .40. Still a better round IMO.
When all pistols are listed in order of the most one shot stops in a defense situation the .380 has most stops by far. I suppose it is because more people carry it.
Nothing wrong with the .40 S&W, I like the 10mm better. However, I carry a 9mm because it is easier to manage. If I knew I was going to get into a gun fight, I would bring a rifle or a shotgun. It is all about compromise. What is comfortable and what can you use well. Can you, or will you have it on you when it is needed. Spare tire at home, fire extinguisher in closet with cloths and others things piled on top?
My primary CC weapon is a Glock 27. Surprising easy to control. My second CC is a 3” Kimber, .45 cal. No 9mm, sold my last one.
The answer seems fairly simple. If you are not bothered by the recoil and you can control both cartridges equally well, given equivalent sized guns. You should go with the .40. diameter is of some benefit. If you need a smaller pistol or the recoil and muzzle flip cause your accuracy to deteriorate, or you feel you need the extra couple rounds. You should carry the 9mm.
My dad carries a .40. In his law enforcement career, he jas carried .357 mag, 9mm, and .40. He likes the .40.
I just happened to get a good deal on a 9mm when I was younger, so thats what I carry. My pistol is a super soft shooter, and extremely accurate. I'm not necessarily recoil sensitive, but I tend to aim more naturally with the 9. I don't hesitate for that split second thinking about grip placement.
I'm actually going to get a .45 for the house, where weight isn't an issue.
I love the .40 S&W round and tolerate the 9mm for certain types of deep carry , I reload with premium bullets so to me most factory ammo is under powered. For instance 9mm loaded to MPF velocities " MPF major power factor energy & velocity " used in Professional Pistol matches reach velocities of 1,450 fps, my carry loads average 1,325 fps . Also my .40 ammunition with 180gr premium bullets runs at 1,090 fps. I know , I know, I can hear the over penetration yelling already, and the invocation of the Sainted FBI 12-16 inch's of penetration 13th Commandment , but I'm a retired career Marine that served in two combat theaters and and I didn't see any FBI there testing their theories . Jeff Cooper " a noted combat veteran " invented the the 44 magnum for a reason, because he knew you should have the most powerful weapon possible when your life was on the line. So if I am limited to a weapon of small size, I am going to load it with the most powerful ammo available.
Jeff Cooper did not invent the .44 Magnum; Elmer Keith did. Cooper had a hand in developing the 10mm, however.
Some years ago when I decided to purchase a sidearm specifically for carry I was blissfully unaware of the caliber wars. I ended up with a .40. I found the performance of the premium 165 gr hollow points to be supeior. The gun is still cocealable but very powerful. Control is not an issue with proper grip(the same can be said of any handgun round) & as far as capacity goes well if I cant get the job done with 15 rounds of 40 probably not going to get done with 17 of 9mm. If convealment is not an issue sometimes I carry my Glock 21. Also a great stopper. My next purchase will likely be a subcmpact in 9mm. All 3 are good effective rounds. Carry what you shoot best.