9mm vs 40 vs 45: Can’t Believe The Results
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On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of the 9mm to the 40 S&W and the 45 ACP on 4 different targets. Each target is worth 25 points, for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 10 yards. Thanks for watching!
Ammo for tests 1-3 (3 shot average):
CZ p09 - 9mm 115 gr FMJ: 1,168 fps AVG
G22 - 40 S&W 180 gr FMJ FN: 1,044 fps AVG
G21 - 45 ACP 230 gr FMJ: 837 fps AVG
*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home! Always verify your firearm is rated for and can safely fire any ammunition that you intend to use. Always follow standard safety procedures when handling Any firearm.
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I like your videos but with the sand portion I would change it. I have not measured it but try to use like a smaller box selection like the usps boxes they have a smaller thinner and they have a box like the typical fedex or ups boxes. You could use several of them to test out the sand portions of your test and you could see how far they are actually going deep into the box’s for penetration. If you really wanted to, you could go to the post office and get boxes for free they don’t charge you. I love your videos that would be a change. I think you could use to show how far a particular cartridge is going through the sand portion of your test. Keep up the great work. Have a nice day.
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I play World Of Tanks.
Bigger bullets make Bigger holes. Nam
Hi, I would like to see an exotic contest:
357 Sig VS 9x23 Winchester.
Please... 🙏✨
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This guys voice doesn't match his face 😂
I agree with it 😂
It's a rare an amusing thing, haha
Ray Ramano doppelganger
First thing came to me when first seen it 😂
Hes tryin hard for that big boy voice 😅
3:54: if you're ever confronted by Mr Banana, just take a slight step to your left and you'll be fine.
I would say half step.... 😂😂😂
1974, Drill Instructor averred: whenever fired upon, move ...run leftward to cover, all shooters have a slower righthand sweep motion. But this, clearly is a stationary shooter. 📌
😂
@@mdiner33 that is, if you are right handed. Be careful I guess, I can sweep faster than the right handed people.
It's common for those who are not proficient with handguns. I would know... I'm one of them. I'm getting better though.
Like how the 45 dumped ALL it's energy inside the wood block, no over penetration.
Forgive me for asking this BUT, isn't the objective of shooting a certain target to get the projectile to dump AS MUCH ENERGY AS POSSIBLE INTO THE TARGET? I could care LESS how much penetration power there is BUT I do care how much STOPPING POWER IS THERE.....That IS ONE of the reasons why the US Army is changing to a 6.8SPC over the 5.56...AND the reason WHY we were able to choose WHICH calibers we would use on certain missions we were assigned.(RGR BATT)
@@RANGER73CPT They came up with the 45 ACP because army pistols were having trouble stopping enemy soldiers. The 38 short, and so on. So they went to a Chicago stockyard and started shooting at beef. They found the larger the caliber the more impact it had. So they developed what became the 45 ACP for the 1911 pistol. More knock down than a 9mm or 357? Maybe. I'm not convinced.
The problem is the weight. You really notice it if you pick up a Tommy gun with a 50 round mag. The 30-06/308 and the 5.56 I couldn't believe how little a bunch of 5.56 shells weighed the first time I picked up a box. I was used to shooting the 30-06.
I could carry whatever I wanted. I decided to use the 9mm. Today a 13-18 round mag isn't uncommon. If you're attacked lately it's more common for it to be multiple assailants. 5 or 6 shooter isn't enough anymore.
@@robertthomas5906 that is why I habe 3 extra mags and what .45 only has 5 or 6 in the mag?
@@RANGER73CPT If you're concerned about over penetration, then you're going to have fun with the 6.8 SPC. There's a reason why the 5.56 was designed with a 1% yaw.
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You would be adequately armed with any one of these rounds.
Not if you have to shoot at distance or thru a windshield or some other barrier...
@@rocknewtonfilsterwilly7364Any of these 3 would easily penetrate a windshield while still retaining lethal velocity. People have gotten windows shot out by .177 pellet rifles...a 115-230gr bullet will go through the glass like a hot knife through butter. Not sure about .45 but a 9mm or .40 won't have much trouble penetrating a car door unless there is considerable distance. They both have greater velocity than the 45.
Not enough to save Sparky though :c
We know now that pistols are poor killers of men, even in proper calibers. The priority (beyond #1 shot placement, of course) thus needs to be on getting merely enough velocity to penetrate 12-16" and expand your chosen round reliably.
You're not going to get any significant improvement on lethality by either using a fast tiny bullet (5.7mm) or a slow giant bullet (.45ACP). I'd imagine a supermajority of 1911 owners still think a .45ACP is going to "knock a man down".
@rocknewtonfilsterwillyand how many times you have to do that huh Skippy?7364
"This pistol shoots to the left" proceeds to shoot left with 3 different weapons for the whole video.
A bad carpenter blames his tools. A good carpenter blames himself.
A great carpenter blames his apprentice.
I noticed that as well , he is pulling the trigger and needs help.
The apprentice you say haha I'm gona use that one
"This pistol shoots to the left."
That's how he knows it's his. 😜
He should test drywalls and doorframes because that will be closer to his reality.
When you pull trigger right handed gun moves to left … it’s trigger pull .
Really, the only tradeoffs with .40 over 9mm is 2 fewer shots per magazine (15+1 instead of 17+1) and slightly snappier recoil. With some range time you can easily get used to the difference, and now you have a round that has better terminal performance. Also, during the coof lockdowns, I could find .40 all day when everywhere was out of 9mm.
Yeah people don't like .40 because it isn't 10mm, but from an objective comparison to 9mm and .45, it has some very distinct advantages over both of those rounds.
@@HWG-wm8ld Nothing I said was objectively wrong. Just because you don't think it's a good round doesn't mean you are correct either.
From purely a muzzle energy perspective, .40S&W is a lot stronger than both 9mm and .45ACP. If you look at the statistics for defensive use of a handgun, most altercations are solved within 7 rounds when rounds are fired.
Having 15 rounds that are more effective seems like a reasonable tradeoff in my opinion, and I don't have weak wrists so I'm not gonna complain about snappier recoil.
Of course when compared to 10mm, .40S&W does seem weak, but I don't think the comparisons are really warranted since the modern day usage of these rounds are different.
Blah blah blah with your muzzle energy velocity geek specs. There is nothing wrong with any of the rounds. The problem is people thinking one is better than the other. Dudes get hit with rifle rounds and keep going, why? Because nothing important was hit. Tissue damage doesn’t stop people. He does these comparisons for the arguments in the comments and it works. Ask a surgeon if he can tell the difference between any of these rounds. We worry about where he is hit and state the obvious that it’s either rifle or pistol.
@@HWG-wm8ld I never said there was anything wrong with any of the rounds. Just because I said one thing is quantifiably better doesn't mean I think the other things are bad, just that the one thing is better because X reasons.
Obviously shot placement matters, I wasn't denying that or trying to downplay that, but more energy means you have more leeway for hits that aren't quite perfect. Yeah a bullet to the heart will put you down, but a bullet right next to the heart can still put you down if it has enough energy.
I don't understand why people on the internet seem to think that when someone says one thing is good, that they mean all the other things are bad.
like what distinct advantages? What we saw here was it having slightly better penetration in gel, and no advantage vs wood, something you would actually shoot thru, vs a standard 9mm Luger load. Not even 9mm NATO or +P which would easily outperform the load seen here. The 40 is not bad but it's basically pointless, it's trying to fill too small of a gap between the 9 and 45, one that just doesn't really need filled. now the 357 Sig, that's a good use for a gun that was chambered in .40. 1300-1500fps from a 124 grain is more than even 9mm +P+ and you aren't running a 9mm designed platform at the ragged edge of what it can handle.
@@shred1894don't feed the troll
I saw a bumper sticker yesterday, it read:
".45 ACP because shooting twice is silly"
Man I can't wait until they find out about 500SW
People kept going after getting shot by .45 acp tons of times
@@lardomcfarty9866That’s why I went to a .40.
@@lardomcfarty9866 Links?
It’s where it hits dummy
I've been a big fan of the 40 S&W since my department transitioned us from 357 Magnum revolvers in 1994.
Proving cops dont know much.
@@HWG-wm8ld 40 has much more energy. get a clue kid.
The 40 gained its LEO followers because it put bad guys in the dirt.
357 until 1994 damn are you rick grimes of king county Georgia. Coral!!!!
@@bobborlog1677 😂😂😂
the caliber in your holster and loaded is the best choice. cheers.
it beats the one you dont have!
Yep. So use what you like. Caveat being I suppose if you are just starting out and like a bunch and the rounds perform similar pick the one you can practice with the cheapest. No point having the one with 4x more expensive bullets you never train with.
True. But if you're packing below a certain penetration level, you'd better hope your target has a low pain tolerance and isn't wearing thick clothing. You have no idea how many people are running around with snub .22 revolvers they never practice with who feel pretty damn good about their odds...
Cheers is for beers😂
@harveywallbanger3123 I don't like over Penetration because I like to not have a law suit with a innocent bystander.
Yep... still glad I chose 40... Honestly though, they're all meant for the same purpose, self defense, so it makes sense that they'd have very similar results. As a mechanic, I often get asked which car/truck brands are the best and I always answer with, "it's not what you drive, it's how you drive it." Same goes for calibers... it's not what you shoot, it's how you shoot it. Practice makes perfect.
Every Yugo driver ever says you're wrong about "what you drive" I'd wager Taurus shooters might say the same.
@@TestUser-cf4wj LOL Well... there are exceptions to every rule...
I would laugh so hard if I found out someone I was dating was carrying a 9 while I had my 40.
This guy has probably one of the best radio/voice-over voices I've ever heard, and I grew up in the broadcast industry.
His balls hang to his knees.
It's hard to pay attention to what's in the video, his voice is so overpowering.
Is it real? My first impression was it had some post-production effect applied.
@@thedanyesful I'm never sure about anything online anymore, but I think it's his real voice.
Sounds a bit like Ray Ramano.
This guy should host a late night smooth jazz radio station program with that voice.
I know, right? Love his voice.
Love the T. Howard ref. with the 1x1=2 thing. Hilarious
Any chance you could leave the chrono results up a little longer? They are almost impossible to see when watching on a phone or TV.
Pause...
@@mhma1976correct
@@mhma1976 well duh.....it flashes so fast it's extremely difficult to stop on that frame. It might just be my platforms but an extra second or two would definitely make it easier.
@brandiwynter wtf...you do know you can choose a slower or faster play speed❗️ slow the video down and pause it‼️ you're welcome. DUH❗️
@@mhma1976 well obviously I don't know how to do that or I would have already done it. How about a heads up on how to do it?
I have 2 .40's. Love them both!
Carry whatever you can shoot what you’re aiming at….. ( not to the left of it)
Kidding, love your work 😂
Use stickers to mark your shots placed. Different colors for sets or calibers.
IKR?
Even a plain marker would have worked. I use dry erase markers at the range since I have several colors.
Should have measured how far each round moved the gel block.
Yeah because the 40 and 45 did a bit more pushing than the nine and dumped more energy because THEY EXPANDED MORE. It's a parachute effect that dumps the energy.
@@bobr7380 Both penetration and energy dump are important. One should not be ignored as was done here.
@@LTVoyager Agreed, I would like to a see a test with all the factors considered. Distance from the target, velocity, penetration, as well as how far the gel was pushed. www.youtube.com/@bananaballistics has the tools, can we get a retest?
"Knockdown power" in subsonic handguns (generally the .45ACP) is a non-Newtonian bar myth disproven years ago by simple tests.
A pressure transducer on a gel dummy's chest shows what you can see with your own eyes: it quivers on impact as if slapped, but doesn't move even an inch backwards. That's because a .45ACP lives in the real world of physics, where no shoulder-fired bullet in the world has enough mass to strike a 175 lb human and physically knock them backwards like the cannonball man at the circus.
@@harveywallbanger3123 Where’d that come from, Sherlock? Yes, everyone knows knockdown is a myth. Then again no comment in this thread said anything about knockdown power.
9mm is around $10 a box. 40 s&w and 45 is around $20+ a box. That is the real ballistic gel test right there.
So what?
How many $2.50 bullets are you going to shoot at a perp???
@@hotrodray6802 None that will hit if you don't spend a lot of time at the range. Practice requires bullets.
The simple take home message is that pistols don't actually have terminal performance and the only thing that matters is capacity.
almost, but yeah! id much rather have a 9 in almost any situation, even though the .45 does the most bleeding.
You've obviously never looked at ballistics charts and seen enough tests.
@earl-tf4qc, my guess is that YOU haven’t seen the charts and testing that shows that there is little difference with quality HP’s. For me, I prefer easier to shoot with more BBs.
Currently between 12 and 16 in is considered the best performance for defense ammo. What this proves is hst ammo is very well engineered to perform to the modern standard regardless of caliber.
I’ve worked in the operating room for 23 years and can tell you with 100% certainty that we have never operated on anyone with a .45 wound. Why? because they have already bled out. Plenty of 9’s over the years. Not saying one is “better” than the other. Train and carry whatever you want. Hell, I don’t want to get hit with a slingshot, just telling you my real life experience.
One factor might be that .45 ACP is generally subsonic so the gunshot might not even alert people to call emergency services having the victim go significantly longer without being treated. It’s also possible the boomers carrying .45 are just better shots (doubtful but would be funny).
math says the .45 does more wounding/bleeding. its as simple as comparing circumferences. circumference = wound length. if someone says something different, they dont know how blood loss works.
I think a comparison of cavitation on gel gives the best indication. 9mm is a great and affordable round, but often is too fast and can go right through an attacker before they know it.
That's saying a lot.
That said the most important thing is hitting what you aim at and shot placement...
I know on my 45 if shit hit's the fan I've only got 7-8 rounds so I'm going to make that 1st one count, and it is as much of a 1 round stopper as there is.
Operating room data is not relevant. Stopping the threatening behavior in the fight is the relevant data. And the data shows no statistical difference between these common calibers in self defense shootings. The biggest factor in stopping the threat from a physiological standpoint is number of rounds that hit critical areas, not caliber.
What I have learned, all handgun rounds suck equally when compared to any 556.
Handgun rounds put holes in people,Rifle rounds put holes through people.
Yea, but a real shooter would use s 30-06 or 308.
Another guy - those are wussy loads. You need a 50 BMG rifle.
Kentucky Ballistics - those are nothing. You need a 4 bore (aka shoulder artillery).
@@robertthomas5906 A real man wouldn't use shoulder artillery, he would pick up an actual civil war canon and hoist it above his head... GROW A PAIR SON!
There's always a keyboard soldier that pipes in with his 556 compared to pistols 🙄
100% correct. This is what we learned in the late 80s when guys like Fackler at the FBI finally began studying this stuff properly. Prior to that it was all superstition, mostly defaulting to ".45 is a big ole chunka lead, mmhmm".
The reason why 9mm/40S&W/45ACP are all in the same boat now is because we know none of them are particularly lethal compared to rifle rounds that strike the target at supersonic speed (and thus produce supersonic wounding effects). It's also why people who aren't ignorant and lazy don't carry .22, .32 or .380 anymore.
You're 100x better off getting a 9mm and getting good at putting 4-5 shots on center mass and hoping one gets the guy in the heart than you are getting a .45ACP (or worse, a .44 Magnum) and deluding yourself into thinking you're going to drop the guy like a bad habit with one shot.
While 9 and 40 are pretty similar, Will Dabbs, MD. Wrote that when people shot with them came through his ER, the .40 recipients were doing worse.
Let’s not forget, grandpa Joes says a 9mm will blow the lungs right out of the body.😂😂😂
"Dat ol 45, she'll knock a man flat on his azz like an elephant hit um, I've seen it happen!" -my Cajun neighbor as a kid
What an eggplant he is. Oh, don't forget, "all you need is a 12 Guage shotgun".😂
Carried a .40 my first 5 years in the department. After that switched to a 9 as it was much easier to shoot accurately and the ballistics had greatly improved. Been shooting a 9 for the last 16 years. I also gained a couple of rounds over the 40. 6 years ago, the department got rid of their 40s and went straight to 9s.
Interesting results. No do the same thing with .357 Sig and 10mm
Those are what people carry when they’re fuckin dead serious about their self defense 😂 two or four legs.
@@jonosterman2878 Fuck yeah. G29 here
G32, LOVE Sig but damn it's gotten expensive
IMHO, with modern bullet design 9, 40, and 45 are all very effective. At this point, given a good bullet choice, I feel its down to personal preference. Given the same size pistol, 9mm carries more and has less recoil, meaning you can shoot faster and have more rounds to put on target. Never was a fan of 40. And 45 is just cool.
I definitely agree with your assertions. I choose 9mm because of price, capacity, and quicker follow up shots. 40 is great but its more expensive and robs you of a round or two of capacity and is definitely snappier. 45acp is a dream to shoot but even less capacity and even more expensive.
I usually carry the 45 A lot but I have started carrying a 9 more since it’s a small sized gun. Summer is hard to conceal a full size pistol
And there is not a single one of any of us that wants to get shot with any of these rounds!
Yeah i agree. It's a handgun after all. It leaves alot to be desired at least in terms of it's ballistics. There's a reason military and police have rifles, they are effective. Yeah, rifles pierce armor. But that's a bonus in my opinion. They cause cavitation even with FMJ because of the improved velocities. which Is awesome in terms of taking down living things. You ideally want great cavitation.
Cavitation? As in what comes off a boat prop…there’s a reason military and police have rifles? Is there? I thought it was for marching.
Those planters in front of a house full of sand might not be a bad idea.
45 is a subsonic round, dumping its energy on impact, hard hitting, not a deep penetration
40 sw has the speed expands faster meaning dumping its energy fast as well and just as powerful overlapping with 45
Those certainly are words
@@jorgesolis9468 smaller bullets = less bleeding. otherwise we'd all be using 22 mags.
@@TheBirdboy84 that's false and secondly less bleeding isnt a bad or good thing look at 357 mag it was a .357 and had better performance than any 45 auto round that was .452 stop listening to the fudds
@@TheBirdboy84 lethality does not equel effectiveness in the case 22 or would be the best self defense caliber since more people are shot and killed by it than any other
This just in:
More powerful cartridges are actually more powerful...
The late Colonel Cooper decried the Army's insistence the .45 ACP duplicate the ballistics of the .45 Schofield instead of the .45 Colt. Cooper declared Government hardball be limited to practice ammunition. As far back as 1956! He specified what was then called the Super X load. Today we refer to it as +P. 230 GR loaded to 965 fps. One needs to test such a +P load
In a 5 inch barrel.
This is such a wonderfully nerdy channel. I love it!
This has been done to death yet I'm STILL pumped you did these tests! Buck yeah!
My dad left me a .40 Hi-Power and I love it. So that's what I use. Thanks dad
Hi point?
@@charlescarmichael1124 no FN hi power. Its a gun germans used during ww2
@@SLIM-SH8Y Never heard of it and I'm doubting german military would have used rounds in an inch format before joining NATO. Could you tell me more so i can get what you are talking about?
@@ifly2themoon171 ruclips.net/video/W6lGsH7V5M4/видео.htmlsi=BDuZYkwg7GZzseOO
You're straight up lying and I don't appreciate it.
My son tells me it is no longer called .45ACP... It's .45AARP. (He has no style..)
Give him a 22. And tell him the 9mm is from 1908, and the 40 is Short & Weak😂😂😂
@@rogueldr642smiythe9 He went out and got the Tanker .45...
Looks like it boils down to preference/affordability/availability of ammo.
Nope.
40 ftw
45 is low pressure, and low pressure is just bad.
Now if someone made a 45 with the same pressure as the others, yes it would be better; but I imagine the recoil would be fairly unpleasant.
You also get quite a bit less capacity with 45.
@@WaterZer0 They do. Its called the 45 super. Or you can go 460 Rowland and hit as hard as a 44 mag.
@@BamaShinesDistillery I will pass on the increased split times and discomfort.
@@WaterZer0 Properly tuned gun doesnt have much of either.
Should have taken into consideration how far the jel block moved back with each shot.
Thats a great point, could make a chart to place beside and behind to catch the block jumping and then freeze frame the max height of that reaction and compare.
😂
I can't wait until .400 Legend AR uppers are readily avaliable, common and there are 20-30rd reliable mags. I feel like the fact that it's 10mm+.40s&w case capacity pushing a 215gr load will make for a maniac with a 16-20" barrel that double stacks so you can have big power like a 450 Bushmaster and high capacity mags. 400 Legend could be the best thumper load for an AR15 action at 300yds or less. For further range capability 6ARC or 6.5 Grendel is the move.
that voice should not come out of that person.
I've been imitating it all morning
😂
Lol As a 47 year old man all men of all sizes had that same deepness of voice. But I have noticed that almost all men today younger than me have high pitched voices that leave me saying that high pitched 11 year old voice should not be coming out of that full grown man.Everyone I knew had voices like that by 12 years old. I didn't even notice until I saw your comment and thought wow. That's sad.No testosterone the men are not men anymore.
Good testing, surprised about, really enjoyed. Thanks
Thank you for taking the torch/ heat gun to the gel block prior to shooting it. One thing to remember is that even if remelting the block did change its properties(likely not) the medium was consistent for all calibers fired in this video. I like the 9mm, but I like it even better when it has the velocity (1,700fps) and energy (802ft.lbs) of the 357 Magnum, what is this mystical cartridge... the 9x25 Dillon! 9mm projectile in a bottleneck 10mm case. It is spicy
I see the CZ P-07. You have chosen well.
Honest outlaw would approve
Don’t think he is that honest anymore.
Isn’t that a p09? BB is a huge dude and a p07 would look like a j frame in his hands 😂
@@HWG-wm8ld what makes you say that
@@ElecticMonk P 09 is a striker fired gun
40 is like a 9mm with speed and a 45 with energy dump. Its literally the best of both. People usually stay away because it has more recoil than both. Other than that its absolutely superior
Yeah, but 10mm = best mm!
@@roquri then 44mag or something similar is even better. 10 isn't in discussion. There's almost always a better round
Worst of both worlds
I actually don’t mind the recoil. I almost prefer it. 10mm has more recoil for sure, but does outperform .40. Obviously all 3 have their uses with regard to 9mm, .40 and .45. 9mm being the most popular and cheapest of the bunch. But I still daily carry a .40 Glock 27, and I have a .40 Glock 23 truck gun.
More rubes
Would have never thought (in a million years) the broadcasting voice belonged to the content provider. Good stuff!
This took me back in time, around 10 or 15 years ago channels doing these tests were crazy popular on youtube. Your answer mirrors what I have told people for years on the 9mm, 40, vs. 45 debate. Shoot what you want they aren't that different. Now, the 10MM, there's a man's caliber, but that's a video for another day
I don't know how many of those $1.00+ per round of high end ammo one has stockpiled. In SHTF, when one has to use practice ammo after the exotic round run out, we are back to WW2 ballistics
Exactly. Always hearing how modern 9mm hollow points are phenomenal....from people who have stockpiled cases of 9mm FMJ for when they really need it.
Thumbs up for the 1 X 1 = 2, T Howard laugh. He's lost his marbles
Love your content dude! I like the funny spinoff jokes. Definitely my type of humor. Lol
I used to think that the 45 acp was the shit, until I read about officer Tim Grammins.
Thanks for mentioning this! I looked up the story and it was crazy. Now of course this is a super rare occasion, but still disproves the idea some people have that the .45 is some one shot stopper. Carrying an adequate amount of ammo is key.
The 9mm is cheaper and has higher capacity.
The .45 is naturally subsonic with ball ammo and the case has a lot of untapped potential unlike .40 Hotrodded 45 beats all 3 easily when loaded to its hottest loads power wise.
The .40 is a compromise round and as such rides pretty high on it's pressure scale so it does not have a lot of room to wiggle. It also has less capacity than 9mm and is more expensive. 10mm is .40 done right. 200@1200 is the magical number.
Honestly didn’t think the 9mm would get through that 6x6.
Because you have zero experience. Keep listening to the guys at the range that also have zero experience.
@@HWG-wm8ld and you leave rude comments on the Internet. Whats wrong with videos testing barriers. It's important information.
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Nvm he trolling
He gayyyyyy
You edited your reply but still can’t spell.
I’m trying to educate you idiots that have zero knowledge and less experience. That’s not trolling
@@HWG-wm8ld sorry that I was impressed and that my excitement offended you. Please accept my apology and I will help you get back to the freezer so that you don’t finish melting.
One must remember that the .45 was designed specifically for stopping power, not penetration although it is no slouch. I'll take a .45 over ANY other for self-defense. Foot pounds is what actually stops an aggressor. The 115gr 9mm at muzzle is 328FP. At 50 yards 268FP. The 180gr .40 cal. at muzzle is 429FO, at 50 yds 387FP. The 230gr .45acp at muzzle is 461FP, at 50 yds 421FP. The big fat, slow moving bullet wins every time for self-defense.
185+p 👍👍👍
Thank you for doing this cartridge comparison. It would be great to see a 9mm, 40S&W, 45ACP, and full powered 10mm comparison.
I’m not sure how much I learn watching this channel, but I enjoy the delivery and his subtle humor, so a keep watching haha
Have you ever tried 7.62x25 Tokerav vs 9mm on your channel? I'd like to see what it can do vs all of your fun wood, concrete, ballistics gel target tests!
No ones owns that cal.
It may not be as widely known/used caliber but more people know about it then you might think, and it's not that hard to find. It would still be a fun test to watch!😀
@@slanginnervegas Tokarev would kill 9mm. It has kinetic energy approaching a .357 Magnum and insane penetration. It's also very loud with big muzzle flash, and a lot of fun to shoot. With HP bullets it would create devastating wounds. But all the weapons that fire it are big, clunky and obsolete. It's not practical to carry at all.
@@bigtechisbigbrother8690 I think the TT-33 pistol might be a little clunky but it's definitely not big. You are correct though on the 7.62x25 vs 9mm. I should of said put the7.62x25m vs 10mm, or .357 seeing as it's kind of like the mini magnum 😃 but like I said before it would still be a fun test to see on this channel!
i love my tokarev's, loud, fast and hot, plus cheap ammo
Lots of testing has been done on these three cartridges, every time what they find is that the 40 has 28% more power than the 9 mm, and the 45 has almost exactly the same as the 40. Which makes perfect sense because that's why it was made, to match the performance of the 45 ACP and the accuracy of the 9 mm. And it does it well
Doing the reaction from the toilet seat was a nice touch 🤣
I heard from a trauma surgeon that he couldn't tell you the difference between their wound tracks; they'd only find out which caliber the moment they pull the bullet out.
The beauty of the .40 S&W is it can be fired out of a 10mm handgun however a 10mm cannot be fired out of a .40 S&W handgun because the 10mm is a tad bit longer than a .40 S&W.
Same with 380/9 & 38/357 and other rounds. If you had some knowledge, you’d know 10mm is rarely much more than 40. You can look at plenty of videos on here to fact check
@@HWG-wm8ld You do realize the factory loads fot 10mm are pug loads compared to the original load right.
@@HWG-wm8ldSig makes a snappy 10mm rated over 600 ft/lbs of energy
@@willardlentz3044 your standard load off the shelf 10mm rounds are the underwhelming FBI lite loads, but once you start getting into those full power Buffalo Bore and Underwood rounds they hit hard, with some of them getting into the mid to high 700's of ft lbs of energy
I have an FN510 and I can tell you that Sig 180 grain 10mm makes .40 cal feel like I'm shooting a 9mm. Pretty sure the Sig ammo is full power. .40 felt very tame compared to the Sig 10mm ammo through the same pistol. Every time I shoot 10mm I bring some .40 ammo just to remind me how badass 10mm really is!
Pick one, they all work. Pay attention to bullet choice as always. Real life results in one shot torso hits show some interesting results (9mm guys would be surprised). Present day bullet design has a lot to do with what's effective. The introduction of the 9mm way back caused the body armor guys to redesign their stuff. FMJ's penetrate well, though essentially just poke holes. HP to HP comparison is always sketchy, though the HST is a good choice for all three calibers. It always gets down to energy delivered to the target and of course, shot placement being the most critical factor. With BB shooting, take a quick step to his right (your left), you'll be fine as his adjustment to POI never happens.
Great test as usual, thanks!
I cant even hear d day now and not think about ol sniffy shitting himself
I think the .45 won the penetration and expansion test. Anything over 12" is of little consequence, but that huge wound channel is the gift that keeps on giving.
Looked the same as the nine, as he said in the video.
@@cgatito3528 The 45 was .877" in diameter while the 9mm was .696" and the 40 S&W was .742".
No 9 or 40 can match the permanent wound cavity diameter of the 45...just the way it is folks.
@@user-ws3hx2qn1f Yes, and while all projectiles are constantly losing velocity, they don't lose mass, so the 45 can still pack a wallop.
@@user-ws3hx2qn1f Last time I checked, 2x 9mm wound channels have a much greater surface area for bleeding than a single .45.
But keep on coping.
I was watching this from the toilet and the "wait what" part had me rolling.
1x1=2 😂 love that little rogan easter egg!
They all get the job done. Use whatever you are most accurate with.
I have all three. I'm still simply a 45 guy.
9mm and 40 may kill the body, but the 45 ACP kills THE SOUL. :)
Nice work. Learned a lot.
I did a similar test several years ago with a 9 mm, a .45 ACP, .357 Rem Mag, and .44 Rem Mag. I had several bundles of old magazines, all about 8 in. thick. I stood them up, front toward me, and shot each caliber into a separate bundle. The 9 mm barely penetrated the first six or eight magazines, and didn't even knock the bundle over. The .45 penetrated a bit farther, and knocked the bundle off the log. The .357 penetrated about half-way and knocked the bundle over. The .44 blew the back out of the bundle, knocked it about four feet, and whined off down the canyon. Daaaamn! All were solid slugs, no hollow-points, and no FMJ's.
The ballistic gel results could be interchanged with the other cartridges depending on slight variations in the gel and individual bullet load. HST is a phenomenal bullet in any caliber and weight.
Leave the chronograph readings on screen for a bit longer.
Summary screen shot would be good too. Ammo caliber, brand, fps, energy, bullet type in a grid with all 3. I saw a dental hygienist named Paul do this a few times.
There is a pause button
@@An_Appeal_To_Heaven ain't technology great? 😜
@@An_Appeal_To_Heaven You mean I have to do work?!? 🤣😂🤣
why? they're useless.
357 sig would have been an interesting addition to the mix.
Glock 31c all day everyday
Would've performed roughly the same as these other than the gel test which doesn't really simulate real world performance on a real target.
Everybody loves gun enthusiast Raymond
Thank you. This is helpful.
Interesting. All fairly similar. Of course this is why I prefer 10mm.
I’m in the boat where almost all handgun cartridges perform the same with the same bullets and hot charges. 9, 40, 10, 38 special, etc. 380 is definitely a step down and hot 357 is a step up. It’s all a wash if you try to compare it to any rifle ammo though.
10mm is closer to .357 Magnum in performance anyway.
People just don’t seem to think as such since all the usual pistol brands offer pistols in 10mm that aren’t too dissimilar to their other options.
More myths
Try 357sig..you may be surprised..don't sleep on the mighty 357sig
@@kevinrichardson8859 that .357 Sig is one hell of an impressive round, but a lot of people claim it is a dying round. Personally, I hope it pulls the old 10mm trick and makes a big comeback as a viable and respected caliber.
Every single one of these rounds will without question, will get the job done. Caliber is a preference and that's all, Nothing more however if you're one of those people who are stuck on .40 or .45 just think of all the people who have been unalived by 9mm. But as I said they will all get the job done, and btw HST is an awesome round and my edc round.
Always a informative and good video. Good job!
The purpose of JHPs is to limit penetration in order to stay within a window of penetration depth, usually assessed on FBI standards. If all you cared about was penetration depth, you could stick to FMJs and they'd all fly through the gel. Having slightly deeper penetration in gel means nothing because all of them can get that far. It depends on how the ammunition manufacturers want to design the cartridge.
FMJ loadings, the 45 ACP wins, the 40 S&W is a close second, and the 9 mm a distant third. With modern JHP bullets, there is virtually no difference in stopping power per the Marshall & Sanow study.
A brick wall has stopping power. Threats stop due to three reasons, they voluntarily stop, they bleed out or the CNS is cut.
Even with fmj, the difference is barely measurable. This has been tested over and over ad nauseum for decades now and nobody has been able to show that a 45 does any significant damage compared to a 9mm. It's only a 2mm difference for the wound channel. And that's in the most clinical conditions. And that's made up for by the 9mm's penetration in fmj. But that's still nothing unless your shot was already placed within a millimeter or two of something vital. And if you can do that reliably... No you can't.
@@JC-fj7oo 45 ACP has 61.4% more frontal area than 9 mm so the wound channel is that much wider. The Thompson-LaGarde Tests proved that the 45 cal. was superior to all others.
@@PassivePortfolios NO, it's not that much wider.
it's that much more AREA. Which means absolutely nothing. NOTHING.
It's 2.4mm wider. PERIOD. Which means that unless you were landing your shots within 2.4mm of a vital organ... The difference is ZERO. NADA. NOTHING. ZILCH. ZIP. NONE.
NO, the test didn't prove anything. It provided evidence that the 45 cal was slightly wider. And nothing else. But we already knew that because it's IN THE NAME!
Absolutely right.
Haha that Terrence Howard got me 😂 🤣
World of warships is hands down my favorite pvp game!
I know the video is about ammo but you talked about the game so here i am 😂
Use a hanging steel plate and show the amount of swing from impact per caliber. It shows the effect of heavier bullet weight.
Very helpful information for when the hanging steel plates start attacking people.
Thank you.
@@johndelta00you are on the “list”😂😂😂
He could hang steel truck nuts and swing those
No
suggestion: how similar are .380 auto and 9 Makarov on barriers?
Finally, a real comparison!
You getting attacked by barriers?
@@HWG-wm8ld Baby troll. Isn't that cute.
@@HWG-wm8ldyou might have to shoot through hard barriers in a self defense situation though.
No you won’t. Get real. You gonna unload on a brick wall, run out of ammo and then what? Use your “edc” knife.
The Terrance Howard this was hilarious. Subbed
It's all about kinetic energy. I have no problem using basic round ball or hp in 40 and 45 that comes in 50 round boxes for self defense or law enforcement because that's what I used. 9mm you going to need the more expensive stuff and it's only in 20 round boxes.
Proving cops know nothing
At least with 45acp.. the practice ammo can still be used for self defense in a pinch. Hard to say that about the the cheap 9mm food out there.
@@HWG-wm8ld no that proves that milinials/Zs depend on Wikipedia too much.
I have actual real world experience..
Lol fn snowflakes.
@@timd729 that's exactly what I mean.
We need more of Bannana Boomer! 😂
Shot placement is everything. Most can shoot a 9mm better than a 45
Consider using wider blocks of wood to help elimimate edge effects (just like with body armor).
What I carry is:
9mm for highest capacity in the smallest size
40 S&W for stopping power
45 ACP for accuracy
12ga. Don't leave home without it.
huh? lol
40 S&W FTMFW!!! I just wish I could afford to train with it as often as I can with a 9 LOL
40sw has come down alot over the last few years when 9mm costed more than 40. 40 is about 3 cents more than 9mm. I stocked up 40 and have more than 9mm
The only thing I wish is you did a 10 MM as a fourth gun for comparison. Great video. Love the humour.
Thanks for this comparison. 👍
Actual results, 40 with a nearly insignificant edge, but an edge. 45 with higher energy dump but lower penetration and 9 actually being the round in the middle. It’s up to each person to decide which is right for their purpose. Great videos showing like for like loadings
For me this kinda confirms 9mm is the best for a CC handgun. the performance increase from the other two larger rounds is not worth the decrease in round capacity and concealability
I would have put the gel on a smoother surface and measured the distance the block moved from impact. A rudimentary calculation of delivered energy could be calculated based on weight of the gel block, velocity and weight of the projectile and the distance the block moved. Variables, such as friction on the support surface would obviously make a precise calculation impossible. I say this because as someone who carries a .9mm, I was impressed with the reaction of the ballistic gel upon impact by the .45 acp.. Specifically, the energy transfer-wave apparent visually…and the way the block jumped on the table. Respectfully, if all we are interested in is penetration…these results could have been anticipated based solely on projectile type, weight and chronographed velocity. Additionally, testing penetration against hard targets with FMJ rounds and then testing ballistic gel with JHP rounds nullifies the test results taken as a whole. Still, very entertaining video. Thank you for providing it.
You should add .357 Sig to the mix. See how it does. Oh...and 10mm too.
40 is my favorite because it’s 31 more than a 9 but only 5 less than a 45.
Too early to be smoking crack.
@@lardomcfarty9866 that stuff is for lightweights! .380 shooters and the like.
@@hordboy okay crackhead
The CZ shows you have at least one great handgun. The Glocks, not so much.
Glock derangement syndrome
Glock is like vanilla ice cream. It's ok for starters, but it isn't really good till you do the add ons and turn it into a sundae or Banana Split.