that was worse than it could have possibly have ever been, unimaginable its not just a bad pun, its undescribable leave immediately or stay and be our prophet
The reason nobody saw it because it's basically pulling a Ghostbusters. Take a successful franchise and swap men out with women and add zero story elements. This movie was designed to make money based on spreadsheets. This was nobodies passion project lol
Imagine when Frodo returned to the Shire at the end of RoTK and he's drinking with his pals in the bar and a Ring Wraith shows up and stabs him twice in the chest.
I always want that to happened because I remember the line of Lady Galandiel to Lord Elron on Frodo's fate "this quest will took his life, you know this, you forseen it". but in the end it didn't happened.
@sbcontt YT as far as I remember the scene in Two Towers but they never met on that scene, I never watch the movie for a year so I didn't remember much.
Arnold: I'll be back. Audience: That is one of the greatest lines in movie history and will become a huge part of pop culture forever. Sarah Connor(in Dark Fate): I'll be back. Audience: Wtf??? 🙄
It was actually a great film to true Terminator buffs. I saw the original Terminator the year it came out. Angry Joe was born in that year. I saw Terminator 2 the year it came out, while Joe was 7. The series wasn't created for Joe's generation, and thus Joe doesn't understand it.
T-800: Hey Jenelle, how was Terminator dark fate? Janelle: It was a great movie John, Where are you? *T-800 Hangs up* T-800: Your foster parents are dead
"I'm not a fan of the Chosen One sort of movie." Oh gee. Well then, maybe you should've...oh I don't know...NOT directed a movie from a franchise with an already-established 'Chosen One'?
John Connor isn't the standard Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Character. He genuinely is the hero in the future. Someone comes from the future and knows this to be true, rather than a Prediction.
@@davidjames579 That just makes it worse. They altered something that we as an audience knew was true. Why would the Terminators go back in time and attempt to assassinate John Conner if he wasn't the one who saved humanity? I'm not a huge Terminator fan (the first two movies were pretty good), but even I can see they made unnecessary changes for the sake of pushing an agenda.
@@MasterCrash123 Absolutely. I too find the Prophecy Speaks Of A Hero Rising Up To Save tedious. So many stories use it, and it's always bullshit. A prophecy's just a prediction, that can be interpreted in many ways. But the crucial thing about John Connor is someone has first hand experience of him being the saviour. Now time travel can alter the future but at least once John really was what's he's said to be. Unlike predicted heroes.
"The modern audience does not care about Terminator because they got burned too many times" 100% correct. Bang on the money. Further than that, the original Terminator audience does not care any more for the exact same reason.
Maybe that’s why they keep remaking the same story. Instead of trusting current audiences to go back and watch the originals, they’d rather erase the originals and present these bastardized versions as new. Smh
T3 was my favorite Terminator because it was my first Terminator movie :) so it’s the reason I fell in love with T1 and T2! And in my opinion it is the perfect terminator trilogy if you want future wars!!continue it from there with John Connor... and boom then we get some actual interesting future war shit
Steve Ozone Yep, no need to go further. I watched the 3rd on tv the other day and I was like "thank god I was too smart to spend a dime to see the so-called sequels".
Melencolia not only money but I think the fact that James Cameron was also involved as a producer made them confident enough to come back and do another.
@@jeremyroberts8822 Producer means shit. It's all about the director. Isn't Spielberg a producer or some what involved inTransformers and look at those abominations of movies. If they aint director than it don't mean shit.
vince R yea I believe Spielberg does help produce the transformers movies along with a bunch of other types of movies. As far as the producer role not meaning much well it depends because every film is different. Sometimes a producer means as little as that persons production company helped pay for some of the film, other times producers are very hands on giving notes when they see the dailies and telling the director to add this or take out that so it all just depends on the specific film.
@@N7-WAR-HOUND Nah he stated he will always play a terminator. Even if its a trash version. "Argh, please I gots to play my terminator. I begs you movie man, I needs my terminator in a choppa. I owe alot to my ex-wife".
@@DarkAttackYT He probably just doesn't care that much. He's obsessed with his stupid smurfs and really he's not that great of a storyteller in the first place. Greed and military industrial complex bad is pretty much all he knows how to do.
MacTehKnife --- Fucking hell, you have a serious problem with life. Grow a pair of balls and get over it. Stop crying about how a movie apparently diminishes your masculinity because it has some female leads. What a douche.
@Morgoth Bauglir I agree with that, I liked terminator 1,2 and salvation. I also enjoyed "Sarah Connor Chronicles" And Terminator 3 (as an action movie).
Yeah, this story is laughable. Part of the plot is supposedly about people loosing their jobs to some kind of injustice. She took this man's job, his future, his existence and his franchise. That's why they had to call Eddie Furlong, they needed permission to use his face on Jude Collie because they were gonna blow him away!
Cineris thank you! Sky-net took over and John Conner just happened to be the guy to rise up and fight back as a leader which then made Skynet send a Terminator back in time to stop it. There was no prophecy or “marked child” to begin with. So really, John Conner is exactly what Tim Miller was trying to describe.
John Connor the resistance leader didn't exist anymore after the first film, because Sarah had a different kid (and called him John) with Kyle Reece instead.
or maybe Cameron just wanted Jon Connor out of Millers vision of Terminator. T1, T2 still the best. Wont see another unless Cameron directs in the timeline where Jon leads the resistance against Skynet in the future.
BelowMeGoggle exactly how I felt when they attached him to the project. Like everyone magically forgot he’s on a real big Avatar Franchise kick right now. You know, the franchise nobody wants?? LoL
@@AZEREuu Wrong, it was never about her only her son. If you ignore John then you ignore the whole plot of the first two movies. Regardless I still think we could have easily had two future war movies set where John is or isn't a big deal showing the rise and fall of Skynet. End of story.
They followed The Force Awakens formula; trying to reboot the franchise by taking the original concept and rebrand it to bring “youth and diversity” into it while hooking the original fans with original characters. It failed.
What did hollywood expect? They blacklisted most of their creative talent away from their tight little lefty club and all they got left is remakes sprinkled with wokeness that clearly only appeals to a SMALL minority of gender studies majors 😂
The lasers are purple in this game. If you look on the Steam page there is a post saying that PURPLE lasers are more advanced then RED. Like a tier in upgrades and stuff :)
@@BaranZenon Makes sense. Higher temperature or further ionization of the air. Red plasma would mean it's the plasma being incandescent, purple plasma means it's energetic enough to make the immediately surrounding air incandescent. Lightning's white and purple, so if you have something as powerful as that, you get purple.
Don’t you just love how they think they’re being so original and progressive, despite women leads in action movies being a thing for decades. Hell, there have been female action heroes since the ancient times, the Amazons being the most famous. No one gives a shit about the gender but then, just make the movie and characters good.
Ho no ... HO NOOOO ... I did not watch the movie. I care so little that I wanted to watch this review without ever watching the movie because all terminator movies after 2 suck and all movies after 3 have been terrible B movies.... *but for fuck sake, they killed John and now a women is the "real leader" of the resistance* ... HO FUCK OFF.. I guess I made the right decision not to watch. But now I want to see it just because I have to see that trainwreck
foxglos well I mean in T3 John dies in the future anyways and his wife was the new leader of the Resistance, since she was second in command. Though thinking about it, the war against Skynet hadn’t ended so how is John meant to be the savior of humanity if he dies before the war even ended?
The worst part is they made Sarah Connor (possibly the most iconic heroine in modern cinema) into a sexist so they could have their plot twist that everyone saw coming anyway.
Without China’s help too. Joker is clearly a passion filled movie which had something to say. Every goddamn frame, you can tell. And it was made for one third this movie’s budget. Money won’t fix lack of vision. This movie had nothing to say. It was too eager to jump on the woke bandwagon which people seem to forget, has been solved for decades. Women being leads in action films is nothing new, and they think it’s a brand new gimmick, like they’re being original with it.
Troy Taylor They do, but this isn’t some indie unknown property. It’s one of the biggest action franchises of all time. This isn’t the type of movie to use that excuse.
Joker isn’t the first rated R movie to have a successful release, the point still stands that the R rating will negate at least some portion of the potential audience. other movies with easier ratings will never have to worry about this factor
Alexander Angelus terminator isn’t what it used to be, with each new film we see that people’s interest has gone done. Making it rated r did more harm than good, honestly this film could have easily been a pg13
The whole movie is a time paradox. Skynet is created from the chip of the smashed Terminator in the first film. John is born by sending his own father back in time. John Connor becomes the leader of the Human resistance because of Sarah Connor training him and his knowledge of Skynet.
@@jigawatt1.218 I had an idea for a T3 script a while back. It's basically about the multiverse theory. In our universe, we defeat Skynet. However in another universe Skynet wins the war but discovers multiverse tech to enter other universes. The reason? Same as our Skynet. Humans need to die. In this case however, this alternate Skynet wants to wipe out all Earths that have humans on them. This would ead to different terminator models (since they are from different universes), the ability for dead character to come back or evil versions of themselves like an evil Sarah Conner,for example. Lots of options to play with without destroying the T1 and T2 storylines.
Was John Conner even with his mom for long o.O she apparently died not long after the end of the second terminator movie which is why she wasn't in part 3 so it's not like she had much time with her son to even train him since he grew up his first few years without her since everyone thought she was crazy. Never actually seen him do anything in the movies as well besides being protected, so how was John Conner even trained by his mother? he was literally a bum on the run in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and couldn't even defend himself, if John did have any training it wasn't by his mom as he knew nothing about what to do until Terminator: Salvation where he finally did pick up a gun and fought back besides in the end still being protected by Marcus.
Probably the biggest mistake they ever made was trying to make Terminator a franchise. The most they should’ve done is a “prequel” in the original timeline about sending Kyle to the past, but the actors were too old to do that.
@@quiett6191 Hollywood doesn't give 2 shits about money, otherwise they wouldn't make Ghostbusters 2016, Ocean's 8, A Wrinkle in Time, this movie, etc. and they haven't learned any lesson cause they'll reboot Pirates of the Carribean and we all know why they reboot it. cause it wasn't woke like Terminator Dark Fate is.
I absolutely love and can relate to Joe's unbridled RAGE about this movie. Alex and Other Joe are just hanging back and letting him go and trying not to die of laughter makes it even better.
I don;t know how people are allowed to go this full retard... it should be a crime to be this retarded. they should be taken into a field and shot for being so destructive lol.
Look...... it goes like this okay: The Terminator T2: Judgement Day That’s it. Nothing else happened after those two movies. NOTHING. AT. ALL. Just because James Cameron got involved with this piece of trash DOES NOT MEAN IT’S CANON.
It is known. It's simple, unless you've a brilliant idea, just let it be. But Hollywood has to go woke and destroy their franchises, because of course they do.
@Demiclea Salvation sucked, it really wasn't very good. They fucked over John Connor and introduced a dumbass new terminator type. Nothing to like about it.
@@dabbinggamer9047 Terminators beyond two aren't Canon tbh, they're trash tier fan fiction mostly. They may be officially treated as Canon, but in the eyes of the Terminator fans the Canon remains the two movies.
Exactly, kill the past, dismember it, slay it, burn it up, decapitate it, shotgun it! Then bury it in the woods. It's probably the only reason they wanted an R. They knew there was going to be a young boy brutally murdered in the first 5 minutes. After that they could focus on empowering women.
Joe, you just need to review Terminator:Resistance! Decent game in a crappy sea of modern Terminator cinema and gaming entrances. Please, give a like to this comment if you want Joe to see that!) "He is a man, not a God..."
The first rule of Girl Fight is you must gossip about Girl Fight. The second rule of Girl Fight is you must gossip about Girl Fight. The third rule of Girl Fight is that if someone yells my mascara, my nails, or my hair the fight is over. The forth rule of Girl Fight is only two margaritas before a fight. The fifth rule of Girl Fight is only two Twinkies at a time. The sixth rule is no unfashionable shoes or shirts. The seventh rule is crying will go on as long as it has to. And the eighth and final rule of Girl Fight is if this your first night at Girl Fight then you have to host the make-over party.
Well, Fight Club was already a commentary on the toxic aspects of masculinity, that holding in your emotions and expressing only violence and mayhem will destroy you and others, and that mindless consumerism is a horrific existence. So, yeah, pretty fucking woke, let's just see where the new one goes.
I wouldn't mind any new lead, if it was actually written well, because they wanted to tell a good story. Not just make money and cash in on the current political pandering trends.
Funny that the people who are woke ate the most daydreaming people in the world XD Also the women look like dudes how is that suppose to empower women but saying everything that make them a women like boobs hold them back they should write women who women can relate too not women who trying to be men well actually more like man that don't really exist and "I don't need a man" bullshit sometime a women need a men to help her and it the same with men sometime men a need a women help
In T2, it was stated a terminator is set to read only mode due to skynet not wanting them to get smart. So unless someone removed Carl's ship to set it on learn mode, there is no way I can think of on how he was able to learn to be human after his mission was completed.
Wow I can’t believe they just killed John Connor like that, could you imagine if they made a new Star Wars movie and for literally no reason Luk- oh wait...
@@Zidane_Mina And Luke did become a jedi master, where as John Connor NEVER get to be the leader of the resistance. Just get blew away, HASTA LA VISTA JOHN!
bit different tho lol take away luke you still have leia and anakin, take away john connor and you have .... Star wars can exist without luke but terminator cant do without john as thats the whole point of the films, its his journey from conception to leader of humanity. Its like having anakin in epsiode 1 and 2 then killing him off in three and replacing him with a new random character and then saying episode 4,5 and 6 didnt happen, ep 1-6 is his redemption just like term 1-3 is johns rise to leader of humanity against machines.
Killing John Connor in the first few minutes was one of the biggest own goals in movie history. Director wasnt a fan of the Chosen One...so he got rid one..and brought in another..dosent make sense.
@@theinsurance2450 its hollywood cramming females in power down our throats a false narrative anyone could see. Im sorry but at the first sign of danger 99.9% of females are calling 911 or screaming and cant do shit. Males are generally the fighters as we are wired to be. Hollywood is just pushing this crap to have our women try to live up to that standard which in turn, turns them against men. its divide and conquer its what they have been doing to blacks and whites. Its all a master plan to wreck people. But im glad nobody is buying it and hollywood is learning fast they wont get our dollars for their forced poison
I also feel like Tim Miller maybe didn’t pay attention to the original 2 Terminator films. John Conner was not a chosen one. Sky-net took over and John Conner just happened to be the guy to rise up and fight back as a leader which then made Skynet send a Terminator back in time to stop it. There was no prophecy or “marked child” to begin with. So really, John Conner is exactly what Tim Miller was trying to describe.
@Emperor's Champion they claimed that with The Last Jedi as well. We don't hate women, we hate seeing our beloved franchises and characters completely misrepresented and ruined.
10 lines of cocaine failure . I cannot wait for movie modding software, so lovers of franchises can alter / create their own movies !! NO MORE drugged up peeeedos in power destroying great movies.
@Jace N I don't really think that's true. There are more women in leading roles in Hollywood films nowadays, sure, but that's because historically they totally haven't been - except as stereotypes. In action movies anyway.
Jace N --- It's not Hollywood thats the problem, it's douchebags like you that promote a problem that doesn't exist. Grow up, get with the modern world.
@Versus Omnibus THANK YOU! And this Dark fate made Sarah (a genuine bad ass technician) into a irrelevant idiot. I wanted the Sarah from T2 to show up and heel kick this old Sarah Conner of the timeline.
One of my work colleagues came up to me on monday and told me how they had seen the film, and loved it. I countered that John was dead, and supposed to be the resistance leader, to which she responded that "nu-uh! Sarah is!" In essence she liked it because it did away with the lore after T2.
This is probably the only time I've ever been glad to have a movie spoiled for me, I can't believe they killed off John Connor right at the beginning just to replace him with a much less interesting character
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I couldn't care less that he died. I just don't get how they get a woman to play his role tho lol.
@ It's not the fact that they replaced John Connor with a woman that's the problem, it's the fact that they replaced John Connor with an uninteresting character
@@LordVader1094 You're not understanding what I'm saying either. John Connor being replaced with a female character isn't what I have a problem with, nor do I believe that if John Connor was replaced by another guy it would be just as bad as the new character, maybe worse. The gender of the character isn't the issue, nor should it ever be the issue, the issue is that the character they replaced John Connor with is uninteresting. I personally didn't want John Connor to be replaced in the 1st place, not because he's a guy, but because he was a pre-existing and interesting character with a rich history and lore. If they HAD to replace John (which they really didn't have to) a better thing they should have done is write a character that is interesting but leave the gender and race blank, then when it comes to casting allow anyone of any race or gender to audition and cast the person best fitted for the job; like what Ridley Scott did when casting the 1st Alien, he deliberately named and wrote the characters with a blank slate and hired the actors he felt were best for the job and look at what that gave us, one of the most badass characters in cinematic history that just so happens to be woman. ELLEN "GET AWAY FROM HER YOU BITCH!" RIPLEY
@@SeRgEaNt_RaNdOm They would've made JC uninteresting in any case. Do you remember the hysterical Kyle Reese from T5, this guy would've died in the T1 universe just at the beginning of the movie.
Alex: I want a good story with interesting character arcs. OJ: Yeah, and maybe some good suspenseful action, so i would care about those character. AJ: PURPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS!!!
"Why does it have to be his daughter? Like, as if you're forcing it to be a woman, or a girl, or something." + Ding, ding, ding! That's exactly what they're doing.
@DejaVoodooDoll MCU have 23 films from which only one is centered around a POC protagonist and one around a female protagonist (both objectively not the best of the franchise) and were released huge crossovers (BP before infinity war and captain marvel before Endgame). They had to go out of their way to put them strategically before the proven hit character (who are all white males) to generated the objective revenue, that's hardly "diverse" outside of marking checkboxes. While diversity and inclusion can be handle in a very organic and natural way providing huge success (Blade, Alien, The original Terminator films, Wonder Woman, Alita, Creed 1 & 2 and Mad Max Fury Road), the forced/woke approach where a creator or studio try to send an ideological message, usually have horrible results (Watchmen down 200k viwers from ep 1 to ep 2, Batwoman being basically death on arrival, the Star Wars franchise on the brink of collapse and now this terminator movie which killed the overall franchise. The list goes on...). This proves that the overall ideological approach at inclusion and representation is a a complete failure in terms of profitability. People don't go to films to reenact what they are already seeing to death in mainstream media and social networks on a daily basis, they go to escape their real lifes and be entertain. The idea that current ideological debate (no matter which side you think is right), is "fun" is bizarre to say the least, and it is not born out of creative necesity but political pandering to the point where it boderlines propaganda. The "Woke" experiment failed in the entertainment arena by now, with the rise of surprise hits like the John Wick franchise or the recent Joker film, the message is clear: People want quality, focused projects without the ideological dosage of "Man/white bad, Woman/POC Good", which is a deservice for really interesting POC and female GOOD characters and creates nothing but separation and an unpleasant debate that goes beyond the context of the movies themselves (we used to deabte why Droidekas had no shields in attack of the clones, now we debate as to wheter or not Rey is a Mary sue, which she is, and if the term itself constitude a mysonegyst approach... BOOOOOOORIIIIIIING). As a Black man born in Venezuela, and currently living in Mexico city with a Mexican wife, I see this dying ideological trend in Hollywood as nothing but perversion of the artform and ultimately a tool to generate sectarism (even if is not the intention)... I remember the comment of a white, blue checkmark woman that asked about black panther: "When should I watch the film so I don't suck the black joy from the african-american audience?"... like I said, sectarism, not to bring us together but to keep us apart. Sorry for my bad english, Cheers from CDMX.
@DejaVoodooDoll Dude, diversity doesn't sell. The quality of the products matters. Why do you think Endgame dominates the box office despite not being diverse... Americans are funny, don't you think. On one hand, you have crazies saying get woke go broke. On the other, you have idiots claiming diversity sells. And do you think Hollywood's diversity is genuine and deserve so much credit??? It's interesting you use Black Panther as your example. Yes it's a hit, but if you look at the foreign reviews of the film, you would be surprised by how mediocre it was received. From sites like 豆瓣，eiga, naver, yahoo 台灣 which are the primary movie sites in China, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan respectively, basically their IMDB. Black Panther among the lowest graded MCU movies, with the consensus opinions saying the film is overrated. And that's just the Asian market. "In my city, where diversity..." You sound like you are equating your own experience with Hollywood's forced fake ideology, though I give you credit for noting how pretentious they can be... Btw, in my country, diversity is natural, but I won't, forever in my life, say diversity is what people want...; at best, they are interested in seeing a different perspective, but that's not a moral choice. It's the case here; it's the case in America, and it's still the case in many places. Blame it on humanity's ignorance, bruh, but diversity doesn't sell. Without the brand, names, or quality, the latter of which is sacrificial, diversity isn't the focal point.
@@foxdie49 Star Wars on the brink of collapse? They had one movie not perform as well as expected (Solo), which was led by a white male, and the franchise is on the brink of collapse? Even though not everyone was thrilled with Last Jedi, it still made a TON of movie at the box office. I would wait a few more movies before making that declaration. It is not rare for the premiere of a T.V. show to draw unusually high numbers and then drop from there. It happens very often. A drop of 200k viewers is actually not that bad. Angry Joe is right on the money here when he says the reason Dark Fate failed is nobody cares about the franchise anymore, and the previous movies have fucked up so bad, not even fans have bothered to go see it! I love T1 and T2 and have seen every sequel, and THIS is the first one I still haven't seen because Genisys was such a pile of shit. This is the THIRD time they try to reboot the franchise...THE THIRD TIME! And by the way, Genisys did about as well as Dark Fate is doing domestically, and that movie didn't go "woke". Genisys might end up ahead thanks to international markets. I'd say you need more examples before you can draw the conclusion that going "woke" equals going broke. Despite that opening paragraph, I mostly agree that putting people of color and females in movies for the sake of pandering to the woke culture is annoying. But this is what Hollywood does. Everything is manufactured in a focus group, and movies are written to pander to whatever's "in" with the kids these days. So I'd say this is nothing new, it just happens to be the latest cultural movement. They put in POC and females the same way they put in pop culture references relevant to the target audience. I agree that when stories include these characters organically it works, but when they are shoe-horned in to make it more "diverse", it comes across as disingenuous and cringey. Specially since they probably have white males writing those characters.
@DejaVoodooDoll "Expanding your audience." No one is not acknowledging that fact, bruh. It's that people are tired of seeing Hollywood is given too much moral credits by the mainstream US media and Americans. This is just like how Hollywood include Chinese people to cater to a larger money pool, and they always act like they are being generous and virtuous??? The Hollywood that is loved by tens of millions of Americans, just different groups in different time periods... Are Americans just this dumb??? "Many businesses men do it." Because as pretentious as these greedy pigs are, they aren't as vocal as Hollywood... You got the bad, then you got the worse "Aquaman..." Because Aquaman wasn't overrated that much and got nominated for an Oscar despite being only a mediocre movie with some interesting, yet not groundbreaking, messages... "Let's not pretend Asia's completely..." When did I say Asia had, kid??? Don't blow up your nice face just yet, even if it's just a cover. Racism exists everywhere on Earth, and in my home computer, racism does plague, though not on the same level as that in the US. Btw, since we are talking about Hollywood, the one supported by most mainstream American media and people as being progressive, is just as bigoted as it was back in the day, right???
Σcκz and they forget that.......well.......WE ALREADY HAD A STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER BACK IN THE FIRST TERMINATOR AND TERMINATOR JUDGMENT DAY WITH SARAH CONNOR!!!! Sorry for the caps, but there's seriously no need to force the strong female character trope when we've had plenty strong female characters in the past and they were done great.
@@silversobe And Sarah Connor Ended Skynet in T2. So they replaced White Woman savior with Hispanic Woman savior. Worth 120 million dollars experience I believe.
I really don’t think they did it because they wanted a women seen as a leader because they did the whole women are strong in the first terminator and the second movie Sarah Connor was bad ass in both films.
Yeah, his only credit was Deadpool and left the sequel for creative purposes and I thought this would be too much to handle his credits are little more than a flavor of the month, I don't know why with him and McG they don't put this Iconic movie in the hands of proven directors.
But you, he wasn't the chosen he was an accomplished military leader the Terminators came back in time to erase history. John Connor Great Military leader WAS history and it's curious that they didn't send back the T-1000 to assassinate John because the T-800 was marked as an obsolete design, I really hope they CAN fix (in a universe with time travel) they can, I was half expecting the last scene or post credits scene a scene of Grace putting her arms over Sarah Connor's shoulders and say but does Carl know John is still alive Kill Bill Style. They can save it but the Really need to get there head out of there ass, I think the first hour of the first Terminator mapped out a at least a 6 movie saga, if only they would follow the plan instead playing Gotcha.
@Marcus Charley he was probably too busy writing Avatar 12 or something and just hand waved away the person he came into the room and disturbed him "ya sure kill whoever you asked just let me get back to work!"
@@leanmantern2862 Yeah because people didn't know what they were in for. I absolutely would not waste my money again on TLJ and that might also explain why I'm not interested seeing this new Terminator. I've had enough with Hollywood taking a dump on the movies I loved as a kid.
Only that TLJ was like a very good movie that didn't kill a franchise, as much as some more deluded parts of the fanbase try to believe and convince themselves...
From the man who directed Deadpool 1 (which I freaking loved), I honestly think that this wasn't the movie he shouldn't have worked on and maybe if Cameron probably made another story rewrite or two then this movie would've been even more amazing than what we actually got. 5:11 I think Dani being John's daughter would've been interested and this would've tied into Salvation because if you remember John and Kate Bruster were going to have a baby but we never knew if it was a boy or a girl but since Dani is hispanic in this movie that isn't the case anymore unless Cameron had the thought in mind and then just forgotten about it.
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You can almost say it *Terminated* the franchise
I’ll see myself out
No, plz stay
Yes stay
earned my like
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This pun had more character than the two new characters
Pun with me if you want to live...
that was worse than it could have possibly have ever been, unimaginable
its not just a bad pun, its undescribable
leave immediately or stay and be our prophet
"Dark Fate"
At least the title is well chosen.
ThoRCX I guess you could say that the title is... the well-chosen one.🥁
[crickets]
I’ll show myself out.
HAHA...
Dark fake
The reason nobody saw it because it's basically pulling a Ghostbusters. Take a successful franchise and swap men out with women and add zero story elements. This movie was designed to make money based on spreadsheets. This was nobodies passion project lol
Dear Fart.
Imagine when Frodo returned to the Shire at the end of RoTK and he's drinking with his pals in the bar and a Ring Wraith shows up and stabs him twice in the chest.
I always want that to happened because I remember the line of Lady Galandiel to Lord Elron on Frodo's fate "this quest will took his life, you know this, you forseen it". but in the end it didn't happened.
@@Jhayzer021 but it did, not in the physical sense but his life was ruined by the ring, thats why he left
That would be pretty cool to do in some game tho
@sbcontt YT as far as I remember the scene in Two Towers but they never met on that scene, I never watch the movie for a year so I didn't remember much.
@@KnightLightXL yes but he's still alive and went to the world of undying Valinor which I think its good.
They just wanted to replace John with a girl.
True
They basically did the same thing in Star Wars and made her a Mary Sue.
they did the same in star wars
Very true, a normal straight white male leading the resistance is now automatically offensive for some reason.
@Filthy Greedy RUclips Executive but it's funny that feminists aren't backed by women.
T-800 in Terminator 2: *It has to end here*
Holy shit, he was right...
T-800 sees Dark Fate "I know now why you cry."
Shiirow he probably seen the film in a glimpse and know how bad
T800 once arrived in dark fate timeline, thats why he time jump again to the correct movie timeline to warn us that it has to end there
Terminator 3 was better than judgement day there i said it!
Terminator 3 was better than judgement day there i said it!
Its John Conner's revenge! when you killed him, he's taking the franchise with him
ya hollyweird was too eager to jump on the "no more white male saviors" train
Robert he dies in Genysis? Right
Arnold: "I'll be back"
Public: "No, I dont think you will"
Arnold: I'll be back.
Audience: That is one of the greatest lines in movie history and will become a huge part of pop culture forever.
Sarah Connor(in Dark Fate): I'll be back.
Audience: Wtf??? 🙄
@@RS-kt6bo They think using lines like "I'll be back or" "Come with me if you want life" will satisfy the fans and make the movies better lol
He said. "I won't be back" in dark fate
Rosco what an epic conclusion to the Connor saga.
Rosco Arnold: “I’ll be back to pick up my check”
I dont know but I'm obsessed with watching reviews criticizing Dark Fate
One year later I enjoy it too lol
@@abbynormal8702 1 week later I enjoyed this too.
Me to hahaha
Just saw it yesterday, add me to the club.
@@TheHailstorm77 just watch it for the first time 😂😂 now I’m on my dark fate review arc
"Danni has been chosen by the hands of fate" - *Tim Miller*
"There is no fate but what we make for ourselves" - *Kyle Reese*
😄
Dani: FUCK FATE
But sarah said the no fate line.
Franchize shiting on Reese and his formula since movie 3.
Kyle Reese was such a badass. I miss him. He was such a believable character in the first movie.
Welp, they pleased the vocal minority and pissed off the paying majority.
Describes modern corporate politics
They remind me of south park....1.panties 2.? 3.Profit
The film studies crowd have their heads in their own asses. Fuck em
I don't even think that was the case either lol.
It was actually a great film to true Terminator buffs. I saw the original Terminator the year it came out. Angry Joe was born in that year. I saw Terminator 2 the year it came out, while Joe was 7. The series wasn't created for Joe's generation, and thus Joe doesn't understand it.
Rambo game: He's a man not a god.
Tim Miller: She's a god not a man
Perfect...this fits like batsuit.
Pro Toss yes it will be perfect, when it fits a women
@@Butchass6969 I don't think so. Have you seen that god awful Batwoman show?
@@MK12082 It's amazing. Losing lots of money for CW.
@@cleanerben9636 It's hilarious that the sjw critics on Rotten Tomatoes give it a 72% and the audience score is 12% lmao
Next Terminator savoir is transgender in a wheelchair
Transgender african american in a wheelchair*
Part asian
with corona ?
naa the franchies is dead and terminator woke fate killed it
Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
T-800: Hey Jenelle, how was Terminator dark fate?
Janelle: It was a great movie John, Where are you?
*T-800 Hangs up*
T-800: Your foster parents are dead
Best comment. 👌
lol 😂😂😂
Those lines alone just show how far ahead that movie was compared to this garbage 😒...
hahahaha!!!
😩😩😩😩BRUH 😂😂
The terminator movies died when arnold went down that lava pool telling us "it's gonna be okay"
🖒
Terminator's last words were "Goodbye"
Terminator's last words were "And -STILL- STEEL"
"I now know why you cry but its something you must never do"
@@crashpalThe actual quote is "I now know why you cry, but it's something that I can never do."
USG Atlas lmao all the fake terminator fans misquoting the film. Nothing worse than fake fans
"I'm not a fan of the Chosen One sort of movie."
Oh gee. Well then, maybe you should've...oh I don't know...NOT directed a movie from a franchise with an already-established 'Chosen One'?
John Connor isn't the standard Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Character. He genuinely is the hero in the future. Someone comes from the future and knows this to be true, rather than a Prediction.
@@davidjames579 That just makes it worse. They altered something that we as an audience knew was true. Why would the Terminators go back in time and attempt to assassinate John Conner if he wasn't the one who saved humanity? I'm not a huge Terminator fan (the first two movies were pretty good), but even I can see they made unnecessary changes for the sake of pushing an agenda.
@@MasterCrash123 Absolutely. I too find the Prophecy Speaks Of A Hero Rising Up To Save tedious. So many stories use it, and it's always bullshit. A prophecy's just a prediction, that can be interpreted in many ways. But the crucial thing about John Connor is someone has first hand experience of him being the saviour. Now time travel can alter the future but at least once John really was what's he's said to be. Unlike predicted heroes.
THIS MOVIE LOVE TRUMP
@@truthoftheuniverse4179 what does orange man have to do with this shitty movie
"The modern audience does not care about Terminator because they got burned too many times" 100% correct. Bang on the money. Further than that, the original Terminator audience does not care any more for the exact same reason.
Everything ended with terminator 2
Maybe theyre trying to get younger people to go to the cinema which makes them more money than netflix?
Maybe that’s why they keep remaking the same story. Instead of trusting current audiences to go back and watch the originals, they’d rather erase the originals and present these bastardized versions as new. Smh
Terminator 2 ended the franchise perfectly for me.
Steve Ozone I liked T3
Damn right.
I enjoy T3 but I love T2 and T1
T3 was my favorite Terminator because it was my first Terminator movie :) so it’s the reason I fell in love with T1 and T2! And in my opinion it is the perfect terminator trilogy if you want future wars!!continue it from there with John Connor... and boom then we get some actual interesting future war shit
Steve Ozone Yep, no need to go further. I watched the 3rd on tv the other day and I was like "thank god I was too smart to spend a dime to see the so-called sequels".
Hollywood: "We are Gods and you will love everything we put on screen."
The Public: "No."
The Public: What is a god to a nonbeliever?
@@SSJLucas117 "Coryphius disliked that".
Surpise pikachu face
I hope the director goes broke, an never gets a chance to make another sjw movie.
@@SSJLucas117
Hollywood: *Makes another sequel* Do you believe now?
The Public: Still nah bitch.
This is why Judgement Day is the TRUE Final Movie.
Greed will return to resurrect this series, after the nuclear fallout has settled.
Terminator Salvation was actually not bad, I consider that the last True Terminator movie.
And when another one comes out x number of years from now you'll be saying the exact same thing. did you even see it?
@@gld1010 How? It ends on a cliffhanger, Terminator 3: Rise Of Machines makes more sense.
T3 was enough to pass for me, at least it didn't reconn the past movies
Seriously Schwarzenegger, Hamilton and any other actor should have refuse to act in this movie.
But Money Money Money
Melencolia not only money but I think the fact that James Cameron was also involved as a producer made them confident enough to come back and do another.
@@jeremyroberts8822 Producer means shit. It's all about the director. Isn't Spielberg a producer or some what involved inTransformers and look at those abominations of movies. If they aint director than it don't mean shit.
vince R yea I believe Spielberg does help produce the transformers movies along with a bunch of other types of movies. As far as the producer role not meaning much well it depends because every film is different. Sometimes a producer means as little as that persons production company helped pay for some of the film, other times producers are very hands on giving notes when they see the dailies and telling the director to add this or take out that so it all just depends on the specific film.
I think Arnold at least is getting old and just don’t give a crap anymore.
@@N7-WAR-HOUND Nah he stated he will always play a terminator. Even if its a trash version.
"Argh, please I gots to play my terminator. I begs you movie man, I needs my terminator in a choppa. I owe alot to my ex-wife".
My mom was so disappointed in this. She LOVES Terminator, dragged me to the Cinema and was so sad how it turned out.
My dad I was like Nah but he was making me feel bad so I was like fine
What went wrong with the movie?
That's sad
@@lynnhorne7508 Like Joe said they fucked up the lore and for me the wokeness ruined it aswell
Wokeness? Lol
Knowing John Connor's dead was enough reason for me not to see this.
That honestly doesn't bother me much, I've been hurt before......I saw Alien 3.
@@DarkAttackYT He probably just doesn't care that much. He's obsessed with his stupid smurfs and really he's not that great of a storyteller in the first place. Greed and military industrial complex bad is pretty much all he knows how to do.
Terminator fan: "They ruined my favorite franchise!"
Star Wars fan: "First time?"
Ghostbusters fan: "Welcome to the family son"
@@MangoesMan10 Well, they're trying to fix Ghostbusters and you know... actually do it right
Ghostbusters can actually pull it this time and even Star Wars, their shows mostly, idk about episode 9 however and the future SW movies.
Aliens fan: Feel my pain
like 4 time
The franchise got woke then broke.
Hollywood get BROKE
🤣🤣
"I'm not a fan of the chosen hero kind of movie"
Isn't that the point of terminators? To go back and kill the important people?!
Umbra Lumis just send like 10 at once
Umbra Lumis Apparently not anymore, unless you're a woman of course.
They kill in the now also
MacTehKnife --- Fucking hell, you have a serious problem with life. Grow a pair of balls and get over it. Stop crying about how a movie apparently diminishes your masculinity because it has some female leads. What a douche.
I think this is the first time a Terminator actually accomplished its mission.
James Cameron: "We're erasing Terminators 3-5." Me: "I'm erasing Terminators 3-6."
James Cameron: "We're erasing Terminators 1-5"
Damn right! T2 is the end for me.
I just see the other movies as “what-if” films.
@Morgoth Bauglir I agree with that, I liked terminator 1,2 and salvation. I also enjoyed "Sarah Connor Chronicles" And Terminator 3 (as an action movie).
Terminator 3 can stay, it wasn’t terrible, just not as groundbreaking as the first 2
John Connor: **dies**
Dani: **replaces him as new "leader" of the resistance**
Me: ... _"SHE TUK HIS JERB!"_
I bet she won't let a man take credit for her job.
Durrrr Dek Durrrrr....
Sheee tuk his jerb!!!
Yeah, this story is laughable. Part of the plot is supposedly about people loosing their jobs to some kind of injustice. She took this man's job, his future, his existence and his franchise. That's why they had to call Eddie Furlong, they needed permission to use his face on Jude Collie because they were gonna blow him away!
Cock-a-doodle-doo
LOL, John Connor is a regular person who came to be a hero out of adversity.
THIS. He was NOT a Chosen One, he learned and overcame obstacles to be the leader of the resistance.
Cineris thank you! Sky-net took over and John Conner just happened to be the guy to rise up and fight back as a leader which then made Skynet send a Terminator back in time to stop it. There was no prophecy or “marked child” to begin with. So really, John Conner is exactly what Tim Miller was trying to describe.
@@justinmartin4570 Star Wars is a chosen one story
John Connor the resistance leader didn't exist anymore after the first film, because Sarah had a different kid (and called him John) with Kyle Reece instead.
James Cameron was behind Connor death idea.
James Cameron has long lost touch with his fans, audience, and franchise.
or maybe Cameron just wanted Jon Connor out of Millers vision of Terminator. T1, T2 still the best. Wont see another unless Cameron directs in the timeline where Jon leads the resistance against Skynet in the future.
"James Cameron" - people keep saying that like its supposed to mean something.
BelowMeGoggle exactly how I felt when they attached him to the project. Like everyone magically forgot he’s on a real big Avatar Franchise kick right now. You know, the franchise nobody wants?? LoL
I don't even understand why people need John connor that much. It was always about Sarah Connor she's the heart of Terminator with the Terminator.
@@AZEREuu Wrong, it was never about her only her son. If you ignore John then you ignore the whole plot of the first two movies. Regardless I still think we could have easily had two future war movies set where John is or isn't a big deal showing the rise and fall of Skynet. End of story.
Tim Miller: Im not a fan of chosen one stories. Also Tim: I wanted to make a movie about someone CHOSEN BY THE HAND OF FATE.
Everyone else: What!?!?!?
Yeah, LGBT 2000
Wait...what?
T5000: are you Tim Miller?
Tim Miller : yes
T 5000: fuck you asshole!!!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I thing Tim just had a brain fart and just wanted to lose money
Makes sense
Arnold in Terminator 2: "I cannot self-terminate."
Arnold after Terminator Dark Fate: "I have been self-terminated."
Arnold in Terminator 2: "now I know why you cry but I would never do"
Arnold in Terminator Dark Fate: "I have a family"
It was sarah connor saying I have been terminated
And she still alive smh
Technically he did not self terminate. He terminated what was left of Rev-9 and was destroyed in the process. Much like in T3.
@@Fergus-H-MacLeod Teddy bear Terminator? The Hell you talking about?
This movie is only canon if we let it be canon
just like disneys star wars trilogy
alex duffy yep cuz for god sake the sequels sucked
Mr. Irrelevant That’s why i follow the Legends timeline
it doesn't matter, I'm done, if a franchise goes feminist then I'm out forever, it's tainted land now, best avoid it like it's a disease.
@@mr.irrelevant8826 then how do you explain The Mandalorian and Jedi Fallen Order bruh
They followed The Force Awakens formula; trying to reboot the franchise by taking the original concept and rebrand it to bring “youth and diversity” into it while hooking the original fans with original characters. It failed.
The Force Awakens was great because of the anticipation it built for the next film... until we got The Last Jedi...
@@joeyzapata6786 the force awakens was a remake of a new hope
“I’ll be bad” - Terminator dark fate
This wins LMAO
Dark Fate: I was "Born to be bad"
What did hollywood expect? They blacklisted most of their creative talent away from their tight little lefty club and all they got left is remakes sprinkled with wokeness that clearly only appeals to a SMALL minority of gender studies majors 😂
@@titus9303
What does Woke mean?
@@TheAmazingToma2003 if youre askin at this point in time, just dont worry bout it. its quickly going extinct anyways👍
Terminator game: HES A MACHINE, NOT A MAN. HES A MACHINE NOT A MAN. HES A MACHINE NOT A MAN.
Rambo: *HE’S A MAN, NOT A GOD. HE’S A MAN, NOT A GOD. HE’S A MAN, NOT A GOD*
He’s not a machine! He’s a man!
HE'S A MACHINE, NOT A GOD!
Cant wait to the review huh???
HE'S MACHINE, HE'S NOT REALLY ARNOLD!
I love that, "I'm not a fan of the Chosen One." And then goes and make a movie about the chosen one. It isn't the chosen one If your a women.
He's dumber than Roundhead Johnson.
“The lasers are PURPLE”
-Angry Joe 2019
JOE THE FACT CHECKER!!!! Go get em Joe they are killing my franchises
Erm they are purple, you coloured blind bro
So for now on, does this mean our weapons for the angry army shoot out purple lasers?
The lasers are purple in this game. If you look on the Steam page there is a post saying that PURPLE lasers are more advanced then RED. Like a tier in upgrades and stuff :)
@@BaranZenon Makes sense. Higher temperature or further ionization of the air. Red plasma would mean it's the plasma being incandescent, purple plasma means it's energetic enough to make the immediately surrounding air incandescent. Lightning's white and purple, so if you have something as powerful as that, you get purple.
I think it's safe to say we can start calling this trend,
"Getting 'The Last Jedi' Treatment"
Even before that, the " Alien 3" treatment.
go woke go broke
Exactly, it's been Last Jedi'ed. And it's all BS.
For real though, what is with Hollywood destroying my favourite franchises as of late?
@@CelestialDraconis They lost their minds. I haven't seen it but it sounds like I don't want to now.
Na... The whole twist that "SHE" was the leader was to make it a female empowerment movie. That's why John Conner was killed.
Don’t you just love how they think they’re being so original and progressive, despite women leads in action movies being a thing for decades. Hell, there have been female action heroes since the ancient times, the Amazons being the most famous. No one gives a shit about the gender but then, just make the movie and characters good.
Ho no ... HO NOOOO ... I did not watch the movie. I care so little that I wanted to watch this review without ever watching the movie because all terminator movies after 2 suck and all movies after 3 have been terrible B movies.... *but for fuck sake, they killed John and now a women is the "real leader" of the resistance* ... HO FUCK OFF.. I guess I made the right decision not to watch. But now I want to see it just because I have to see that trainwreck
foxglos well I mean in T3 John dies in the future anyways and his wife was the new leader of the Resistance, since she was second in command. Though thinking about it, the war against Skynet hadn’t ended so how is John meant to be the savior of humanity if he dies before the war even ended?
The worst part is they made Sarah Connor (possibly the most iconic heroine in modern cinema) into a sexist so they could have their plot twist that everyone saw coming anyway.
maybe Furlong wanted too many money
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles remains easily the best terminator work on camera since Terminator 2
Joker has proved that the “R rated” excuse is a myth
Without China’s help too. Joker is clearly a passion filled movie which had something to say. Every goddamn frame, you can tell. And it was made for one third this movie’s budget. Money won’t fix lack of vision. This movie had nothing to say. It was too eager to jump on the woke bandwagon which people seem to forget, has been solved for decades. Women being leads in action films is nothing new, and they think it’s a brand new gimmick, like they’re being original with it.
The exception isn’t the rule. R rated films have it more difficult
Troy Taylor They do, but this isn’t some indie unknown property. It’s one of the biggest action franchises of all time. This isn’t the type of movie to use that excuse.
Joker isn’t the first rated R movie to have a successful release, the point still stands that the R rating will negate at least some portion of the potential audience. other movies with easier ratings will never have to worry about this factor
Alexander Angelus terminator isn’t what it used to be, with each new film we see that people’s interest has gone done. Making it rated r did more harm than good, honestly this film could have easily been a pg13
John Conner wasn’t a “chosen one” he was raised by Sarah Conner from birth to be a “great military leader”.
EXACTLY! There was no luck. It was hard work and dedication. Sarah Conner made John Conner the leader he was going to need to be.
The whole movie is a time paradox. Skynet is created from the chip of the smashed Terminator in the first film. John is born by sending his own father back in time. John Connor becomes the leader of the Human resistance because of Sarah Connor training him and his knowledge of Skynet.
@@jigawatt1.218 I had an idea for a T3 script a while back. It's basically about the multiverse theory. In our universe, we defeat Skynet. However in another universe Skynet wins the war but discovers multiverse tech to enter other universes. The reason? Same as our Skynet. Humans need to die. In this case however, this alternate Skynet wants to wipe out all Earths that have humans on them. This would ead to different terminator models (since they are from different universes), the ability for dead character to come back or evil versions of themselves like an evil Sarah Conner,for example. Lots of options to play with without destroying the T1 and T2 storylines.
always tear down the white man
Was John Conner even with his mom for long o.O she apparently died not long after the end of the second terminator movie which is why she wasn't in part 3 so it's not like she had much time with her son to even train him since he grew up his first few years without her since everyone thought she was crazy. Never actually seen him do anything in the movies as well besides being protected, so how was John Conner even trained by his mother? he was literally a bum on the run in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and couldn't even defend himself, if John did have any training it wasn't by his mom as he knew nothing about what to do until Terminator: Salvation where he finally did pick up a gun and fought back besides in the end still being protected by Marcus.
"We got Skynet by the balls now." - John Conner
"I want to stand and Phight!" Dani
No stand in the corner and do nothing!💪💪💪💪💪💪😎😎😎😎😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Stand...all 5 feet of her
It's ConnOr... but yeah
“I want to stand to pee!”
Stark contrast of the times. One has style and flair, the other is flat and lifeless. Like most movies these days 🤔
Probably the biggest mistake they ever made was trying to make Terminator a franchise. The most they should’ve done is a “prequel” in the original timeline about sending Kyle to the past, but the actors were too old to do that.
Tim Miller : "not a fan of the chosen one thing"
Tim Miller: *someone chosen by the hand of fate"
Us : smh...wtf Miller
didn't T2 say "there is no fate but the one you make" so where did this come from?!
lol
ManicFX to be fair there was so much studio interference breathing down Miller’s neck he may have told to say that.
@@the-lonemandalorian2674 my guy to be honest I dont really care lol im just here to leave a nice comment and move on to the next video
The hand of fate is the one he jacks of with.
"Why would they kill John Connor?"
Because strong independent resistance needs no stinkin MAN!
Fans with money: "We beg to differ"
Remember Connor
Holster your wallets
He saved the world already and he hadn't hit puberty so...
@stealthballer calling people losers won't change anyone's minds ya know
@@quiett6191 Hollywood doesn't give 2 shits about money, otherwise they wouldn't make Ghostbusters 2016, Ocean's 8, A Wrinkle in Time, this movie, etc. and they haven't learned any lesson cause they'll reboot Pirates of the Carribean and we all know why they reboot it. cause it wasn't woke like Terminator Dark Fate is.
wow, that director guy is so clueless it's a miracle disney didn't hire him to make a star wars movie.
don't talk too fast there is room for him now that d&d are out
Bro...what a savage comment hahahah
For now.
@@Matt90Nine compared to Disney Star Wars, the prequels are CINEMATIC Master Pieces
good news even without this dude Mulan adaptation are already ruined! Odin have mercy!
I absolutely love and can relate to Joe's unbridled RAGE about this movie. Alex and Other Joe are just hanging back and letting him go and trying not to die of laughter makes it even better.
Disney: We're gonna ruin a franchise in 3 films.
Tim Miller: Hold my beer, I'll ruin a franchise in just one.
Acting like T3, Salvation and Genysis hadn't already done that is a bold move.
Disney only needed one movie. Episode 8 was horrible and it evne made episode 7 a worse movie. Episode 9 cant save anything.
Dan Wilson 🤣👍
@@fullmetalcos difference is, those movies were self contained for the most part, this one went out of its way to undo T1 and T2
Sure but those films killed the brand way before Dark Fate. This movie was DOA before its creation.
John Connor: Too white. Too male.
Yes they are pushing SJW FEMINIST BULLSHIT
Thanks for the insurance
Well said Flo i wonder what cult classic they can ruin next.
White male lives matter.
That's the ultimate reason. Just look at what they did to Batman, Ghostbusters and Dr. Who.
@@warlordqueekheadtaker7960 So many angry white virgins in the chat... Get a job you incels.
Official Lore: Terminator 1 and 2.
Facts.
terminator 3 is great
3 was good compared to this
I liked all, except this one
There is this game Terminator Resistance which i consider canon.
@@thereap6390 Agreed. I would have rather seen THAT made into a film.
“I don’t like the chosen one story” oh really you seem to be perfectly ok with the marysue charter 🤨
“I never liked The Chosen One story”
*Creates new chosen one*
A bad one at that
I don;t know how people are allowed to go this full retard... it should be a crime to be this retarded. they should be taken into a field and shot for being so destructive lol.
They just don't like a Toxic white male being the chosen one lol
@@Gisborne1990 yep that's hollywood nowadays!
...and Female.
Now lets make a female Christ story to balance it all out.
Look...... it goes like this okay:
The Terminator
T2: Judgement Day
That’s it. Nothing else happened after those two movies.
NOTHING. AT. ALL.
Just because James Cameron got involved with this piece of trash DOES NOT MEAN IT’S CANON.
It is known. It's simple, unless you've a brilliant idea, just let it be. But Hollywood has to go woke and destroy their franchises, because of course they do.
@Talgat Khamit except Cameron did nothing apart from just writing his name in the credits.
Just because you don't want it to be canon DOESNT MEAN IT ISNT CANON. LMAO Get Over It
@Demiclea Salvation sucked, it really wasn't very good. They fucked over John Connor and introduced a dumbass new terminator type. Nothing to like about it.
@@dabbinggamer9047 Terminators beyond two aren't Canon tbh, they're trash tier fan fiction mostly. They may be officially treated as Canon, but in the eyes of the Terminator fans the Canon remains the two movies.
"Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to" - Kylo Ren
Never thought TLJ would inspire the Terminator-franchise
Wasn´t it dead after Terminator 2? At least to me it was.
Probably got inspired to do another shitty movie.
I was looking for this comment.
Exactly, kill the past, dismember it, slay it, burn it up, decapitate it, shotgun it! Then bury it in the woods. It's probably the only reason they wanted an R. They knew there was going to be a young boy brutally murdered in the first 5 minutes. After that they could focus on empowering women.
i actually like Kylo Ren,he isnt the one dimensional Sith we are used to.
Tim Miller didn’t kill John Connor James Cameron did
That's right, it was his idea
exactly! james cameron f'ed this movie up
We will never really know. The Hollywood types huddle together in an orgy with new agendas. Cameron has been a hack for awhile.
@@rsxen8990 Yes we know, because he said so himself! Just google Los Angeles Times, him and the movie
Actually that was on tim miller.
"I'm just not a fan of the CHOSEN ONE sort of movie." Why the f*** is assigned to make this movie then?!?
6:41 should explain it xD Sady
Ah man just reading the fucking plot for the movie on TVtropes just makes me wonder what the FUCK were they thinking?!
I am an Alabama fetus hoes cant kill me they want women propaganda bull crap
what tim miller meant: he aint a fan of chosen man movie, but a chosen Ma'am is where it is at
John was never the Chosen One. Kyle Reese had hero worship of the "original"John is all.
"As if your forcing it to be a woman or girl"
Yes Joe, that's exactly what they're doing. They Luke Skywalker'd John because he's a white male lead.
mayocide hahaahaahahahaha
Uhm what?
Yep, it's a major fuck up if a bad plot line gets used as a verb to describe another bad action. Jeez.
@Victor Kurske c: at least he didn't get Harvey Whinestine-ed
Expectations? subverted.
I work at movie theater. The place was 80% empty most of the time
That comment fits well with that pfp.
Good, i'm glad more people actually vote with their wallet as a form of disagreement
As it should be. too bad you had to work those shifts
Joe, you just need to review Terminator:Resistance! Decent game in a crappy sea of modern Terminator cinema and gaming entrances.
Please, give a like to this comment if you want Joe to see that!) "He is a man, not a God..."
5:38 "I'm not a fan of the chosen one sort of movie.' -> proceeds to make chosen one sort of movie.
I'm not shocked the movie is bad.
I am, however, shocked that anyone thought it would turn out any different.
00⁰0
the pwn level its its its "OVER 9'000000"
Facts
"This isn't where John Connor dies. This is where the Franchise officially dies."
There is more than just one John Connor.
They're making an all female Fight Club now
Chris Kauffman Jr it’s called WWE
The first rule of Girl Fight is you must gossip about Girl Fight.
The second rule of Girl Fight is you must gossip about Girl Fight.
The third rule of Girl Fight is that if someone yells my mascara, my nails, or my hair the fight is over.
The forth rule of Girl Fight is only two margaritas before a fight.
The fifth rule of Girl Fight is only two Twinkies at a time.
The sixth rule is no unfashionable shoes or shirts.
The seventh rule is crying will go on as long as it has to.
And the eighth and final rule of Girl Fight is if this your first night at Girl Fight then you have to host the make-over party.
The title is "catfight club"
Well, Fight Club was already a commentary on the toxic aspects of masculinity, that holding in your emotions and expressing only violence and mayhem will destroy you and others, and that mindless consumerism is a horrific existence. So, yeah, pretty fucking woke, let's just see where the new one goes.
It's a parody actually staring alec Baldwin and that one chick from the watchmen movie, but dont worry itll bomb 😅
1991: Liquid metal Terminator
2019: Gender fluid Terminator.
But there wasn’t anything gender fluid though lol
Lol this comment had me giggling hahaha
@@caseymoore4759 you weren't looking
@@caseymoore4759 The piss it was taking on the franchise definitely was...
Psycho Drummer nothing gender fluid about it.
Hollywood can continue with this "trend" if they like. But the movies will tank. We dont like being force fed.
@MaskeD RaveR ^ big fax
@MaskeD RaveR wish i had a asian woman :/
@BEAUJAN Peester Well said friend. It's slower, but I think it's changing too.
Terminator: Dark Fate - When being woke is more important then the content itself...
I wouldn't mind any new lead, if it was actually written well, because they wanted to tell a good story. Not just make money and cash in on the current political pandering trends.
It's amazing how so many stupid people blame this on the woman being in there, and NOT to actually blame it on bad writing.
The problem is bad writing, but it is created by them desperately wanting to cram women into everything even at the expense of the plot.
Well at least Rambo survived.
Funny that the people who are woke ate the most daydreaming people in the world XD
Also the women look like dudes how is that suppose to empower women but saying everything that make them a women like boobs hold them back they should write women who women can relate too not women who trying to be men well actually more like man that don't really exist and "I don't need a man" bullshit sometime a women need a men to help her and it the same with men sometime men a need a women help
In T2, it was stated a terminator is set to read only mode due to skynet not wanting them to get smart. So unless someone removed Carl's ship to set it on learn mode, there is no way I can think of on how he was able to learn to be human after his mission was completed.
"Forcing the protagonist to be a woman or girl" literally dozens of movies the last 2 years alone that force this into the script/production.
And they failed one after the other. Forcing something onto someone is always gonna fail.
Lately movies have been trying to push a liberal narrative, causing these movies to die out and lose
Genderbend every Protagonist in old movies. This trash feels like it's all affected by Politics, what a damn shame...
And next they gonna ruin my favorite franchise, when they kill james bond and then turn him into a woman
SuperMovieJunkie lol their already talk about ruining that
Wow I can’t believe they just killed John Connor like that, could you imagine if they made a new Star Wars movie and for literally no reason Luk- oh wait...
They couldn't even wait, 4 mins in they do it....
At least Luke did save the resistance and gave hope to the new generation of rebels. What they did to John Connor was a thousand times worse.
@@Zidane_Mina And Luke did become a jedi master, where as John Connor NEVER get to be the leader of the resistance. Just get blew away, HASTA LA VISTA JOHN!
bit different tho lol take away luke you still have leia and anakin, take away john connor and you have .... Star wars can exist without luke but terminator cant do without john as thats the whole point of the films, its his journey from conception to leader of humanity. Its like having anakin in epsiode 1 and 2 then killing him off in three and replacing him with a new random character and then saying episode 4,5 and 6 didnt happen, ep 1-6 is his redemption just like term 1-3 is johns rise to leader of humanity against machines.
Imagine luke dying in the beginning of return of the jedi because he got shot by a jawa. Thats what they did to john Connor.
Killing John Connor in the first few minutes was one of the biggest own goals in movie history.
Director wasnt a fan of the Chosen One...so he got rid one..and brought in another..dosent make sense.
No. He just didn't like the chosen one being a man. So he wanted it to be a woman. Which if you think about it is sexist in itself.
@@theinsurance2450 its hollywood cramming females in power down our throats a false narrative anyone could see. Im sorry but at the first sign of danger 99.9% of females are calling 911 or screaming and cant do shit. Males are generally the fighters as we are wired to be. Hollywood is just pushing this crap to have our women try to live up to that standard which in turn, turns them against men. its divide and conquer its what they have been doing to blacks and whites. Its all a master plan to wreck people. But im glad nobody is buying it and hollywood is learning fast they wont get our dollars for their forced poison
now its the chosen two...
problem solved! XD
I also feel like Tim Miller maybe didn’t pay attention to the original 2 Terminator films. John Conner was not a chosen one. Sky-net took over and John Conner just happened to be the guy to rise up and fight back as a leader which then made Skynet send a Terminator back in time to stop it. There was no prophecy or “marked child” to begin with. So really, John Conner is exactly what Tim Miller was trying to describe.
The franchise has been terminated 🤦🏾♂️
I can see the woke (Vox) headlines now.
“Terminator Dark Fate bombs at the box office, and we’re asking, are people tired of Arnold Schwarzenegger?”
Mr Sqeez lol
@Emperor's Champion they claimed that with The Last Jedi as well.
We don't hate women, we hate seeing our beloved franchises and characters completely misrepresented and ruined.
lmao indeed! they're gonna pin this on good ol' Arnold!
They will interview that woman from Ghostbusters that was on SNL and she will say it’s because we hate “strong Waymyns”
That's funny. I think they'll bring up how misogynistic the public is.
Dark Fate Posters: "CHOOSE YOUR FATE."
Me: (Dark Fate Box Office Bombs) "ACCEPT YOUR FATE."
No fate but what we make.
NO
FATE
😆😂lol.
10 lines of cocaine failure . I cannot wait for movie modding software, so lovers of franchises can alter / create their own movies !! NO MORE drugged up peeeedos in power destroying great movies.
They killed John Connor because the studio demanded it.
The studio is a fucking moron
He didn't want a "chosen one"... he wanted the "woken one".
🤣🤣👏👏 he definitely got woke and .... you know the rest.
Yup get woke go broke
@dekdk11 a Woke n
You've been wokenated
@dekdk11 now "The Force AWOKENS" makes so much sense!
5:10 - "Like you're forcing it to be a woman or something!"
5:35 - *Skips the 'everywoman' line*
So woke. So very woke.
Query Delacroix that's Joe for you. Also look how he avoids the wokeness of this abomination of a movie.
Query Delacroix can someone explain what the hell youre talking about
Terminator: I can not self-terminate
Me from a distance: Are you sure about that?
It didn't. The Clinton Foundation heard a rumor the franchise had evidence against Hillary. Lol
Why do people make comments like this like there the first one to do it...Me: why? Idiots: because I'm an idiot follower
Josh Samuelson Skynet had the emails 😂
When I saw the old granny say "I'll be back", I was OUT. The preview killed the movie before it premiered.
Us: T1 and T2 is perfect.
T6: It will be, when it fits a woman.
Golden comment
Gildiron 10/10 comment for Terminator Dark Batwahmen
@Jace N I don't really think that's true. There are more women in leading roles in Hollywood films nowadays, sure, but that's because historically they totally haven't been - except as stereotypes. In action movies anyway.
IM A WOOOMAAAAN!
HERE I CO-
*drives series into a fucking brick wall*
Jace N --- It's not Hollywood thats the problem, it's douchebags like you that promote a problem that doesn't exist. Grow up, get with the modern world.
If the bring back Arnold and Linda in a wheelchairs, then...
"Roll with me, if you want to live"
😆😆😆
Ohhh, thats good!
Gangsta
"Aight terminators lets roll out"
I still remember Ellen Ripley almost 40 years later.
Who's Danny again? I forgot already.
And Newt!
His a phantom
@Versus Omnibus THANK YOU! And this Dark fate made Sarah (a genuine bad ass technician) into a irrelevant idiot. I wanted the Sarah from T2 to show up and heel kick this old Sarah Conner of the timeline.
Newt and Hicks are not forgotten. There is no Alien 3.
@@bestboutgaming3212 What's an Alien 3? Never heard of it.
One of my work colleagues came up to me on monday and told me how they had seen the film, and loved it. I countered that John was dead, and supposed to be the resistance leader, to which she responded that "nu-uh! Sarah is!"
In essence she liked it because it did away with the lore after T2.
Just slap the bitch
This is probably the only time I've ever been glad to have a movie spoiled for me, I can't believe they killed off John Connor right at the beginning just to replace him with a much less interesting character
I couldn't care less that he died. I just don't get how they get a woman to play his role tho lol.
@ It's not the fact that they replaced John Connor with a woman that's the problem, it's the fact that they replaced John Connor with an uninteresting character
@@SeRgEaNt_RaNdOm Exactly. It'd be just as bad (maybe worse, even) if it was another dude who replaces him.
@@LordVader1094 You're not understanding what I'm saying either. John Connor being replaced with a female character isn't what I have a problem with, nor do I believe that if John Connor was replaced by another guy it would be just as bad as the new character, maybe worse. The gender of the character isn't the issue, nor should it ever be the issue, the issue is that the character they replaced John Connor with is uninteresting. I personally didn't want John Connor to be replaced in the 1st place, not because he's a guy, but because he was a pre-existing and interesting character with a rich history and lore. If they HAD to replace John (which they really didn't have to) a better thing they should have done is write a character that is interesting but leave the gender and race blank, then when it comes to casting allow anyone of any race or gender to audition and cast the person best fitted for the job; like what Ridley Scott did when casting the 1st Alien, he deliberately named and wrote the characters with a blank slate and hired the actors he felt were best for the job and look at what that gave us, one of the most badass characters in cinematic history that just so happens to be woman. ELLEN "GET AWAY FROM HER YOU BITCH!" RIPLEY
@@SeRgEaNt_RaNdOm
They would've made JC uninteresting in any case. Do you remember the hysterical Kyle Reese from T5, this guy would've died in the T1 universe just at the beginning of the movie.
They did it for the gender swap...just like ghostbusters, oceans 8 ect
More flops
Of all these gender swap movies I'd say that Oceans 8 is the least annoying
And killed the franchise in the process lol. They really don't learn do they?
@@LouSassol69er At least the Oceans franchise are just bank robbing movies, are they really that important?
Ocean 8 didn't flop though
Alex: I want a good story with interesting character arcs.
OJ: Yeah, and maybe some good suspenseful action, so i would care about those character.
AJ: PURPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS!!!
All reasonable expectations
@Stellvia Hoenheim"presses X"
Pretty much
@Stellvia Hoenheim lol, thats funny.
"Why does it have to be his daughter? Like, as if you're forcing it to be a woman, or a girl, or something."
+ Ding, ding, ding! That's exactly what they're doing.
"Get woke, go broke." That's goddamn right!
He is not a man, he is a Learning Computer.
@DejaVoodooDoll thank you.. the edge-cels are fools.
@DejaVoodooDoll MCU have 23 films from which only one is centered around a POC protagonist and one around a female protagonist (both objectively not the best of the franchise) and were released huge crossovers (BP before infinity war and captain marvel before Endgame). They had to go out of their way to put them strategically before the proven hit character (who are all white males) to generated the objective revenue, that's hardly "diverse" outside of marking checkboxes. While diversity and inclusion can be handle in a very organic and natural way providing huge success (Blade, Alien, The original Terminator films, Wonder Woman, Alita, Creed 1 & 2 and Mad Max Fury Road), the forced/woke approach where a creator or studio try to send an ideological message, usually have horrible results (Watchmen down 200k viwers from ep 1 to ep 2, Batwoman being basically death on arrival, the Star Wars franchise on the brink of collapse and now this terminator movie which killed the overall franchise. The list goes on...). This proves that the overall ideological approach at inclusion and representation is a a complete failure in terms of profitability. People don't go to films to reenact what they are already seeing to death in mainstream media and social networks on a daily basis, they go to escape their real lifes and be entertain. The idea that current ideological debate (no matter which side you think is right), is "fun" is bizarre to say the least, and it is not born out of creative necesity but political pandering to the point where it boderlines propaganda.
The "Woke" experiment failed in the entertainment arena by now, with the rise of surprise hits like the John Wick franchise or the recent Joker film, the message is clear: People want quality, focused projects without the ideological dosage of "Man/white bad, Woman/POC Good", which is a deservice for really interesting POC and female GOOD characters and creates nothing but separation and an unpleasant debate that goes beyond the context of the movies themselves (we used to deabte why Droidekas had no shields in attack of the clones, now we debate as to wheter or not Rey is a Mary sue, which she is, and if the term itself constitude a mysonegyst approach... BOOOOOOORIIIIIIING).
As a Black man born in Venezuela, and currently living in Mexico city with a Mexican wife, I see this dying ideological trend in Hollywood as nothing but perversion of the artform and ultimately a tool to generate sectarism (even if is not the intention)... I remember the comment of a white, blue checkmark woman that asked about black panther: "When should I watch the film so I don't suck the black joy from the african-american audience?"... like I said, sectarism, not to bring us together but to keep us apart.
Sorry for my bad english, Cheers from CDMX.
@DejaVoodooDoll
Dude, diversity doesn't sell.
The quality of the products matters.
Why do you think Endgame dominates the box office despite not being diverse...
Americans are funny, don't you think.
On one hand, you have crazies saying get woke go broke.
On the other, you have idiots claiming diversity sells.
And do you think Hollywood's diversity is genuine and deserve so much credit???
It's interesting you use Black Panther as your example. Yes it's a hit, but if you look at the foreign reviews of the film, you would be surprised by how mediocre it was received. From sites like 豆瓣，eiga, naver, yahoo 台灣 which are the primary movie sites in China, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan respectively, basically their IMDB. Black Panther among the lowest graded MCU movies, with the consensus opinions saying the film is overrated.
And that's just the Asian market.
"In my city, where diversity..."
You sound like you are equating your own experience with Hollywood's forced fake ideology, though I give you credit for noting how pretentious they can be...
Btw, in my country, diversity is natural, but I won't, forever in my life, say diversity is what people want...; at best, they are interested in seeing a different perspective, but that's not a moral choice.
It's the case here; it's the case in America, and it's still the case in many places.
Blame it on humanity's ignorance, bruh, but diversity doesn't sell.
Without the brand, names, or quality, the latter of which is sacrificial, diversity isn't the focal point.
@@foxdie49 Star Wars on the brink of collapse? They had one movie not perform as well as expected (Solo), which was led by a white male, and the franchise is on the brink of collapse? Even though not everyone was thrilled with Last Jedi, it still made a TON of movie at the box office. I would wait a few more movies before making that declaration. It is not rare for the premiere of a T.V. show to draw unusually high numbers and then drop from there. It happens very often. A drop of 200k viewers is actually not that bad.
Angry Joe is right on the money here when he says the reason Dark Fate failed is nobody cares about the franchise anymore, and the previous movies have fucked up so bad, not even fans have bothered to go see it! I love T1 and T2 and have seen every sequel, and THIS is the first one I still haven't seen because Genisys was such a pile of shit. This is the THIRD time they try to reboot the franchise...THE THIRD TIME! And by the way, Genisys did about as well as Dark Fate is doing domestically, and that movie didn't go "woke". Genisys might end up ahead thanks to international markets. I'd say you need more examples before you can draw the conclusion that going "woke" equals going broke.
Despite that opening paragraph, I mostly agree that putting people of color and females in movies for the sake of pandering to the woke culture is annoying. But this is what Hollywood does. Everything is manufactured in a focus group, and movies are written to pander to whatever's "in" with the kids these days. So I'd say this is nothing new, it just happens to be the latest cultural movement. They put in POC and females the same way they put in pop culture references relevant to the target audience. I agree that when stories include these characters organically it works, but when they are shoe-horned in to make it more "diverse", it comes across as disingenuous and cringey. Specially since they probably have white males writing those characters.
@DejaVoodooDoll
"Expanding your audience."
No one is not acknowledging that fact, bruh.
It's that people are tired of seeing Hollywood is given too much moral credits by the mainstream US media and Americans.
This is just like how Hollywood include Chinese people to cater to a larger money pool, and they always act like they are being generous and virtuous???
The Hollywood that is loved by tens of millions of Americans, just different groups in different time periods...
Are Americans just this dumb???
"Many businesses men do it."
Because as pretentious as these greedy pigs are, they aren't as vocal as Hollywood...
You got the bad, then you got the worse
"Aquaman..."
Because Aquaman wasn't overrated that much and got nominated for an Oscar despite being only a mediocre movie with some interesting, yet not groundbreaking, messages...
"Let's not pretend Asia's completely..."
When did I say Asia had, kid???
Don't blow up your nice face just yet, even if it's just a cover.
Racism exists everywhere on Earth, and in my home computer, racism does plague, though not on the same level as that in the US.
Btw, since we are talking about Hollywood, the one supported by most mainstream American media and people as being progressive, is just as bigoted as it was back in the day, right???
They just wanted a strong female character and forced it.
Strong apparently means less of a woman and more of a man
*new "strong" female character, that misses the point of what it means to be strong - through trial, adversity, and persistence.
@@MacstersUndead like OG Sarah Connor, Ripley, etc. Hell G.I. Jane
Yup. And that never goes well
Σcκz and they forget that.......well.......WE ALREADY HAD A STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER BACK IN THE FIRST TERMINATOR AND TERMINATOR JUDGMENT DAY WITH SARAH CONNOR!!!! Sorry for the caps, but there's seriously no need to force the strong female character trope when we've had plenty strong female characters in the past and they were done great.
For me, the true canon is:
T1
T2
T2-3D
Mmo
RPG
Sarah Connor Chronicles after T2
T2 with the deleted scene of Sarah as a grandma
3D didn't even attempt to tell a cohesive story that made sense since it didnt need to. Aesthetic-wise though I agree.
Look how they massacred my boy! -Joe (2019)
Welcome to forcing female representation into old movie franchises.
Even though they already had Sarah Connor!!
@@silversobe And Sarah Connor Ended Skynet in T2. So they replaced White Woman savior with Hispanic Woman savior. Worth 120 million dollars experience I believe.
She didn't replace Sarah Connor........she replaced John Connor.
I really don’t think they did it because they wanted a women seen as a leader because they did the whole women are strong in the first terminator and the second movie Sarah Connor was bad ass in both films.
Not my terminator. NOT MY LUKE Not my freaking franchises.
Tim Miller: "iam not a fan of the chosen one". that right there is a huge red flag of why he shouldn't of directed terminator
And yet he creates... a chosen one. Idiocy ensues in filmic form.
THen goes and creates another one that is worse.
You forgot.... She was chosen by FATE :)
Yeah, his only credit was Deadpool and left the sequel for creative purposes and I thought this would be too much to handle his credits are little more than a flavor of the month, I don't know why with him and McG they don't put this Iconic movie in the hands of proven directors.
But you, he wasn't the chosen he was an accomplished military leader the Terminators came back in time to erase history. John Connor Great Military leader WAS history and it's curious that they didn't send back the T-1000 to assassinate John because the T-800 was marked as an obsolete design, I really hope they CAN fix (in a universe with time travel) they can, I was half expecting the last scene or post credits scene a scene of Grace putting her arms over Sarah Connor's shoulders and say but does Carl know John is still alive Kill Bill Style. They can save it but the Really need to get there head out of there ass, I think the first hour of the first Terminator mapped out a at least a 6 movie saga, if only they would follow the plan instead playing Gotcha.
Alex: "Theres no way this loses money"
Movie loses $120 million dollars
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"Humanity is threatened by an AI called Legion"
Shepard-Commander, we do not understand.
"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite comment on YT."
😂😂
We'll bang, okay?
Shepard!?
Sad thing is that Tim Miller worked on Mass Effect 2 according to IMDB.
Q - Why did you kill John Connor?
A - White and male, the writing was on the wall.
And don't forget straight.
@Marcus Charley he was probably too busy writing Avatar 12 or something and just hand waved away the person he came into the room and disturbed him "ya sure kill whoever you asked just let me get back to work!"
Marcus Charley You could tell there’s something wrong when he does that but was against Hicks and Newt’s deaths in Alien 3...
"Kill the past if you have to...."
Wait, thats from The Last Jedi.
Seems to be a trend.
last jedi made over a billion dollars so it seemed to work for that
@@leanmantern2862 Yeah because people didn't know what they were in for. I absolutely would not waste my money again on TLJ and that might also explain why I'm not interested seeing this new Terminator. I've had enough with Hollywood taking a dump on the movies I loved as a kid.
*Let the past die, kill it if you have to
Only that TLJ was like a very good movie that didn't kill a franchise, as much as some more deluded parts of the fanbase try to believe and convince themselves...
@@voxdraconia4035 it had many plot holes and that broom stick scene ruined the lore.
From the man who directed Deadpool 1 (which I freaking loved), I honestly think that this wasn't the movie he shouldn't have worked on and maybe if Cameron probably made another story rewrite or two then this movie would've been even more amazing than what we actually got.
5:11 I think Dani being John's daughter would've been interested and this would've tied into Salvation because if you remember John and Kate Bruster were going to have a baby but we never knew if it was a boy or a girl but since Dani is hispanic in this movie that isn't the case anymore unless Cameron had the thought in mind and then just forgotten about it.