Milwaukee Tools SUPERCHARGER Watch Before You Buy! (UNEXPECTED RESULTS)
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2019
- Milwaukee Tools SUPERCHARGER Watch Before You Buy! (UNEXPECTED RESULTS)
We decided to see how fast the new Milwaukee tools supercharger can charge M12 batteries compared to a standard and rapid charger. We had some unexpected results and now we need your help to come up with an answer! 
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For the m12 side of the fast chargers, they're probably the same design. That extra minute is probably just a margin of error. I bet if the test was conducted multiple times, the results between the two would probably be even closer.
I think the supercharger is mainly optimized for the M18 red lithium lithium high output platform.
You are correct sire! The only batteries that charge faster on the supercharger are the HO 6.0, HO 8.0, and HO 12.0
All other m18 batteries and m12 batteries are charged at the same rate. Even the charge rates for the HO cp3.0 are the same for the rapid and super.
@@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet it's a hard sell especially since most tools don't need the 12.0, adding in if you have the rapid charging station and more than one 12.0 battery you shouldn't need a new battery every 2 hours.
I'm a 1st year Carpenter I've used a 12.0 with a skill saw at work I ran a 12.0 dry in 4 total hours of constant cutting.
That's less than a 5% difference in time which could be a number of things making that small difference. The super charger and rapid charger are the same until you put a HO M18 battery on it
I built a sort of “charger box” a long time ago, mounting my Milwaukee and dewalt charger to the top of the box, cutting in a 3 gang with a gfi, a usb outlet, and a regular outlet, wired everything together inside the box off the load of the gfi, and then one cord out to plug it in and power everything, fairly simple to do and everyone on job sites was just amazed with it lol. Put some handles on it and painted it, then put a little bracket on it so I could hang it in my van, was pretty awesome. Your stand reminds me of it, great work!
The charge rate is the same across the rapid charger and super charger on 12v batteries.
The charge rate is the same on the rapid and super on all m18 batteries too. EXCEPT the HO6.0, the HO8.0, and HO12.0. Even the compact HO3.0 charges at the same rate on both chargers. The battery and charger communicate the optimized/maximum amps a battery can be safely charged at. (All chargers have the redlithium technology) While individual cell voltages are monitored, and temp is monitored, etc. It's more involved than I will explain, but the charger and battery will agree with what is best for said battery at the time under any circumstance.
If you run a lot of 6.0HO batteries, the super charger is cool. But..... Nobody is buying a supercharger to charge one battery, so in my opinion, buy / use 2 rapids or more, and charge your batteries that way. If you only have one battery to charge, you probably aren't doing a ton of work to justify the cost of the super. I'd buy more battery. Just my honest opinion. Though I do love the super charger... I feel like an HO starter kit for another 50-100 is what makes most sense to me.
Thanks for the Video @VCG Construction! 👍 man y'all are lucky to have that beautiful HO/supercharger PackOut kit. I want one of those just to have one.
These are the answers to the questions that I didn’t know I had, great stuff fellas
I’m not sure why good question and comparison 😊
What is your take on the M12/M18 rapid changing station 48-59-1807?
You said that all three batteries were equally depleted I'm wondering which method you used to determine equally depleted. Because if you ran them down in the same tool until the tool cut off that would not necessarily be exactly the same depletion for each pack it would be very very close but would not be equal depletion because of the fact that battery temperature is going to affect battery voltage and the battery temperature being run down in the same Fashion on the same tool would be very very close to each other however it would not be exact and the rapid charger in that supercharger was very very close charge times but not exact. So unless the battery packs were allowed 2 rest until all of them Reach the same room temperature and then use your DMM to measure d voltage to determine depletion of each pack this could be the difference in the rapid charger being first place finishing before the supercharger. However it could also be the charge rate of the rabbit charger compared to the Supercharger so that brings my next question what is the charge rate of do you supercharger. I don't have any standard M12 Chargers or any standard multi Chargers because I sell them as soon as I get them being that I have plenty of Rapid Chargers. In the charge rate on the rapid chargers for the M12 is 12 volts at 4.5 amps
@you build it we destroy it AVE is awesome. I love watching his videos. But I definitely don't want that appendage in a vice.....
im curious how they do with the 5/9/12 amph charging differences, would love to see a video with the comparisons on the m18 batteries
Dudes its the ALTITUDE. Everyone knows electrons move much faster as they get closer to the sun!
Good test thank u gentlemen 👍
Happy Friday guys! As usual another good Video!🔩🛠🔧🧰😎🌞😍
Can you guys do the same for m18 12 amp batteries?
Hey VCG Construction .. how does plane M12 charger compare to those three multivolt chargers?? The one that comes with all the M12 kits and only charges M12 batteries.
Maybe the 2.0 on the super was older, or a different tool was able to deplete the battery at a different rate.?
How do I find this kit though with the charger x3 batteries and box. Been searching and can't find it really want the kit
There is a reason they call it a super charger. I also have the Dewalt and they are equally amazing. Saves so much time and keeps you going at work.
On Wednesday I found a dead m18 9.0 in a old tool box I have not used in atleast 8-9 months. I charged it on a rapid charger although I did not time it, it took longer to charge than normal.
Have several Rapid chargers, & am happy with them. Only way I’m getting super is if it’s a gift or price drops😅
My guess as to why super charger came in second. Might be within the “error” percentage of acceptable charge times & maybe a different super charger would have been the same as rapid charger🤔❓; as it wasn’t that much over. Don’t all m12 batteries charge at a particular amperage......as in they don’t go over 4.4 amps or something like that?
Interesting vid though👍🏻
Output for M12 side of standard charger is 3A. Rapid Charger and Super Charger are both 4.5A (M12 side only). So these times make sense.
Hey @VCGConstruction have you guys ever tested the m12 cp 3.0 and xc 6.0 batteries on those 3 chargers to see the difference? I just picked up the supercharger with an 8 amp for 200 from home depot and I already have the m12 batteries and I have not been able to find any info regarding those batteries. Keep up the great work. Love the channel
So vcg I have to tell you I've watched quite a few of your videos and I know this is an old one but you might see this comment I don't like your face or your voice at all but you do some damn good videos and that's why I watch you so keep up the good work. And thank you for providing the tool community with quality reviews have a blessed day.
Great vid! I thought that the supercharger really didn't do much for the M12 batteries. I thought it was primary geared towards improving the M18 batteries. They just included the M12 charger on the Supercharger because a lot of Milwaukee users are on both platforms.
I like that it comes with a fitted foam tray in a packout case.
@@macp349 I'd like to have one for my ridgid batteries and charger.
I got the rapid charger from Home Depot because it was the only thing on the shelf an I had to charge my new batteries for my new tools. I works just fine
Do any/either of them charge a m12/m18 simultaneously? Might be worth reversing them to see if it’s down to the batteries. Who’d a thunk it
All I can guess aside from
Battery variance is maybe the super charger devotes more Power to rapid charging m18’s faster.and it takes away from the 12’s? Perplexing
Do the same test but switch the batteries. To see it the. Rapid comes in faster still ?
Good drinking game at a party: put on a vcg video and do a shot each time Vinny says "quite frankly"
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or "I will say this"
Or "this is the deal"
Or put on a VCG live stream and do a shot each time Chaka says "Ryobi Sucks"
You may be drunk or at least tipsy quite fast in that case
What about charging xc 6.0 batts
Thanks man that's pretty cool video
Will the stand alone 12v charger or even the 12v usb charger be any different... Will they be quicker the the rapid charger.... Will they... Come on VCG try that
If you have a Milwaukee Heated Jacket, I would love to see how well the m18 adapter 49-24-2371 works with it and is it really better battery life and how long. I been thinking of getting one but not sure if it is worth it.
Watch This Before You Buy A Milwaukee M12 Heated Jacket! ruclips.net/video/EUFFvQX390c/видео.html
I really wanna see the 3.0XC vs the 3.0HO for runtime and such.
Keep them coming!
Great video 👍.
I think someone else hit it the nail on the head. I think the M12 charger sections on the rapid and super chargers are the same and the only difference between the rapid and super is the super’s ability to charge M18 high output batteries at a faster rate. Now, that might change in the event they develop high output M12s...pretty sure they only offer XC M12s right now.
My super charger broke. I opened it up. The fan coupling on shaft broke. It's pretty delicate. Won't charge with fan busted. Probably wire in a new one in a hour at Milwaukee... but I expect a tough fan In first place.
If you look in the power specifications for both tools, the output amps for 12v batteries is the same. The only reason the rapid finished first is because that battery wasn't not as drained as the one in the super. Redo the test with 18v batteries and you should see a huge difference because the output amps for 18v is about twice what the rapid is.
Also if you did the test multiple times with the I bet you would see they average out which one finishes first. Even that 1 and half mins difference or whatever it is is well within tolerances if that is what you want to call it to saying both batteries finished at the same time.
The super is for the m18 batteries. The new ones 3ah 6ah 8ah and 12ah the cells are not bunched up and stay cooler so they can charge faster without heating up.
Should have tested the M12 charger too for ships and giggles.
I wonder if the temp of the rapid charger is higher than the Super when charging. Super may have a better fan which charges slightly slower. I hear that charging batteries at a cooler temp is better for battery longevity. Thats my guess! Please let me know if I'm right! Lol! #VCG4LIFE!!
I still have an old M18 single battery charger! It only has 2 amp output. It'll charge a 3.0 in an hr and 20 mns
I think that is within the margin of error between the Rapid and Super. Its basically the same time.
Nathaniel Bradley right each battery may have one hair different and cause that repeat 5 times rotation of battery and you will know
I'd agree. Just difference in batteries and the M12 charging Amperage is the same for Rapid and Super.
Keeping the masses informed two thumbs up bro
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Thanks bros !!
What about the 18v
Congrats on 114k Very Cool People's @VCG Construction! Very Cool! Pun intended 😂
You're a beast
Thanks David we appreciate it!
Great video vince
The thumbnail you used, does something like that actually exist all nice and organized like that?
There is tech built into the chargers & batts that detect which type of battery (standard, XC, high output, etc) is placed in the charger. This protects the lower output batteries from getting a charge designed for high output cells.
Basically Milwaukee is protecting your investment by making it stupid-proof...All batteries are compatible with all chargers and the equipment chooses the correct charge rate for you.
I suspect both chargers for the M12 are exactly the same. You would need to run both batteries down again swap them over for a fair test. Could be slight cell degradation on one of those batteries 🪫
This doesn’t really affect the average homeowners. We have multiple batteries & chargers, and don’t use them enough to even warrant owning them. Still like them, though!
Hola vince esas baterías son las mejores 💯 👊👊las mas duras
it seems like the quick charger part and supercharger only worry about them 18 not them 12 all the reviews I seen seems like they don't do much for M12 you guys take care cheers with a beer
Do this test using a 18v battery. 3amp hour.
I would guess that the supercharger is optimized for 21700 cells found in their HO batteries, which naturally have a higher core temperature when charging and a shorter life cycle. Because of this the supercharger is likely programed to be more conservative with temperature and charging voltage.
I bet the chargers charge at the same rate. Your sample size is way way way way too small for a real conclusion.
Nice speeds for all 3 chargers
Difference might be due to the battery life, use, etc. They should (and are) virtually the same. The super charger is mainly for the huge M18 batteries of high discharge rate or high output. There it will really shine. And the 12V is never going to give you so much of a difference anyway. It aint relevant for the user due to the work intensity of the tools. If you get a 12v tool it is 4 convenience (not power, force or run time), just size and weight.
On the other hand, the 18V system is targeted at the person that needs more juice, run time, power, etc. And most often doesnt care about the bulk or weight, but actually needs the tool to perform @ the very best both in runtime and power. So they buy the huge batteries and the supercharger to keep their tools running (but will have standard chargers on the workshop to charge batteries over night). So M12 batteries and chargers dont have to be so fast or powerful, they have to offer lightweight and compact yools and batteries
It's my understanding that the Super charger's best results are achieved when charging Milwaukee's new "High Output" batteries. With earlier battery tech, it's essentially a "Rapid charger.
Always had the understanding that slower charging will prolong the life of the battery
they need to re release that packout set.
There's no mystery to this. The rapid and the super charger are obviously charging the m12 batteries at the same rate. The 1 minute difference is within the margin of error and is most likely due to the battery being slightly more depleted on the super charger then on the rapid charger. The super charger most likely only made to charge the m18 batteries faster.
Perplexed!
Yo howd you get tht packout with the batteries and charger how can i get one
They only made a dozen kits for select RUclips people from what i understand. However, you can buy the batteries, charger, and foam filled packout box and create one yourself.
You can't. Unless you're one of the dozen special you tubers that got them.
A few minutes faster and 10k more lmao always how it goes! I don't need to worry about things like this i have the DeWalt 4 pack charger with 10 batterys there's no job I can't run with and complete! Haha just gotta spend money to make 💰
Yo fellas! Have a good day brothers!
If the battery has a depleted capacity it takes less to charge. Think of a Lithium battery like a cookie the lower you run it down the bigger the bite it takes out of it. 30 percent depleted each time will have more recharge cycles available in the battrey. Your cell phone is the same way.
well maybe the way the chargers are set if they weren't wall mounted something differetcould of happened.
But too hot to battery and charger without fan cooling,, i will put small fan, power supply and thermostat sensor in battery charger
Good re cap video vince
Test it with M18 batteries. 🔋
@VCG you can get a dual pack of 3.0 high output batteries at ace for 99 till the 27th spread the word. You have to be a member of the rewards program but if your not they are still on sale for 119 without the membership which is free, just sign up.
Thanks for the heads up!
According to Milwaukee the only difference is when you put the high output batteries in
Interestingly “toolcraze.net” lists a charge time of the rapid charger for M12 2.0 = 34 minutes. And 28 minutes for the “rapid charge station with 6 bays”. Most other batteries had similar times. I’m even more confused now.
Rapid charger
M18 2.0 = 34 minutes (24% faster vs 45 minutes*)
M18 XC 3.0 = 51 minutes (15% faster vs 1 hour*)
M18 XC 4.0 = 1 hour 3 minutes (30% faster vs 1 hour 30 minutes*)
M18 XC 5.0 = 55 minutes (47% faster vs 1 hour 45 minutes*)
M12 1.5 = 20 minutes (33% faster vs 30 minutes*)
M12 2.0 = 34 minutes (24% faster vs 45 minutes*)
M12 XC 4.0 = 54 minutes (40% faster vs 1 hour 30 minutes*)
Charge times on the Rapid Charge Station for comparison purposes
M18 XC 5.0 = 56 minutes (46% faster*)
M18 XC 4.0 = 1 hour 6 minutes (26% faster*)
M12 1.5 = 23 minutes (23% faster*)
M12 2.0 = 28 minutes (37% faster*)
M12 XC 4.0 = 54 minutes (40% faster*)
I’ve said it before but im not impressed by the super charger, the price is outrageous , I rather buy a 2nd battery and use my rapid. How much for a vcg super duper charger lol?
He touched the regular charger and called it the raid charger
The super charger is meant to charge high output batteries faster
My question is that real money in the background? Probley money won f4om betting dealt would win😁
That's basically the same time if you ran this test 50 times they'd average within seconds of each other
These results are completely expected...
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People where paying to comment WTF
Red said the supercharger charges every battery the same as the rapid charger except the ones (HO) with 21700 cells inside, it can charge them slightly faster with a bit more amperage. There is a spec sheet floating around the Internet I saw right when they announced it. Why the rapid finished first is prob slightly higher voltage in the battery bc 1 min or less is irrelevant. Diff tools diff cutoffs many variables I would assume. If you had taken a multimeter and checked them before hand the voltage would of most likely been a tad higher. I know you have a multimeter (harbor freight coupon lol) laying around? & I would expect it nothing less then Fluke in the VCG workshop 😊 I love you guys VCG, but your the worst with these click bait titles/pictures/arrows/statements 🤦🏽♂️ it reads/feels so gimmicky. You kill me every time I get a notification😫 I wish you didn’t have to ride that generic RUclips bandwagon for the followers...Again much love just telling you how it is...which I’m guessing you know already since your doing it lol. On a side note... sometimes I’ll use an m18 tool just a bit, couple holes or something etc. then throw the battery on the charger thinking I’ll just cap it off and both my chargers say it’s fully charged. Red must have it set that if it’s not below ie: 4.0v in each cell then it doesn’t register needing to be trickle charged. I have a bunch of non-tool Li-ION chargers and you can really get a Better understanding whats going on inside the battery/cell even with LiPOs.
Read the packaging before you make videos like this it's only optimized for a specific type of M18 battery's
facepalm... charging an M12 in a supercharger doesnt tell the whole story. the supercharger is designed for the higher capacity batteries that use the 21700 cells. look at the charge time chart right on the box.
Fast charger, are battery killers. If batteries live 2.5 year. With fast charging, it will last 1year.
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