This makes a lot of sense. This is the same phenomenon you see with cutlery steel. You can have a very hard, wear resistant steel but you sacrifice toughness and strength. Conversely, you can have a very tough steel that wears more readily. It's all give and take. Great video! Thanks for explaining.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the difference between the carbide bits and the wear guard tip (gen 3). Knolegde is power and that's why I keep coming back to your channel.
Vince, great video! In my opinion It sounds like Milwaukee has come up with creative reasons as to why their bits break. As a tradesman I don’t want to have to think about changing my Phillips bit when I transition from metal framing screws to Sheetrock screws. I lost count of how many Shockwave bits I’ve broken and finally gave up on buying them. Not to mention that I haven’t had one actually break at the intended “shock zone”, they fail at the tip leaving fragments in the fasteners! What am I using now, you ask? Well lemme tell you. Makita impact Golds! Tried and true! Ive been on a three month construction contract, 10 hour days, 6 days a week, metal framing, sheet rocking onto metal and wood, and much more with only one Makita bit! Give them a try and see for yourself.
I'm usually a Milwaukee tool guy buy recently had use my titanium bit set more than I have had to any other time in past. And I must admit. They freaking suck. When DeWalt black oxide out performs. Something up. Appreciate it for letting me give my 2 cent.
The dewalt titanium set is actually the best price and value for your buck. I'm not big on any of the other bits they make but those last a little while. Bosch makes a 14 piece titanium set that is very nice.
The harder steel gets, the more resistant to wear it gets. The other effect is that it becomes far more brittle once the steel crosses a certain HRC threshold. Standard shockwave will work far better in impacts and the carbide better at low stress, tedious tasks.
For the past couple weeks i have been using the new #2. We typically in 1 week would go through about 12 dewalt #2s or about 4 milwuakees. So far 1 matrix carbide has lasted 2 weeks estimated around 2500 screws and still going strong its awesome
I had to listen twice to this discussion because I didn't understand the significance of one application being different than the other. After the second go over - it made perfect sense.
This helps. Thank you Vince. I own a Shockwave 2.0 set and I will say they are nice. Paired with my Milwaukee Impact driver and they do great. Built a deck with them and built a lot of different random things.
This is what I suspected after breaking 2 of the matrix bits in a row with self tappers into structural steel. Everything has an intended application, i was foolish for thinking it would be a miracle bit that could do it all. Thanks for the clarification
So it's an impact-ready bit, that's only suitable for low-torque applications - the kind of applications that don't require an impact driver. Makes perfect sense to me.
Well done vid Vince. You explained everything in detail. I haven't purchased any Milwaukee Shockwave or Matrix Carbide bits yet as I purchased two sets of DeWalt bits over the Christmas holiday. I will eventually order those Milwaukee bits later this summer and give them a shot though. I have to build a large shed and a small deck so I'll def be checking them out. Thanks for the awesome vid. Cheers buddy!
So if I always predrill my holes, which should I get? The 45 pc Shockwave Impact Duty Driver Bit set homedepot has for $25 doesn't have the 3.0 design. Only 2.0 I think, or maybe 1.0 I don't know how to tell that difference. I remember Dewalt Flex Torque used to be the best for longevity & grip on the screw but they're gone & replaced with something else. I already own the 15 pc Milwaukee Shockwave Impact Duty Titanium Driver Bit set so I'd like to keep it all the same brand for compatibility. I do need at least the second best longevity & bite though.
Hey Vince thanks for the video. I purchased the PH2R bits with Wear Guard. PH2R is the Drywall Bit Inserts which i find more reliable and last even longer than a regular PH2 #2. Thanks for looking out Vinny.
Good job explaining how they came up with a wayto sell more tips. Although, for the non technical people, they may be discouraged at the quality of these bits when used improperly.
@@VCGConstruction love the vids. Just smoked an old 18v Dewalt hammer drill today. When the smoke started coming out I thought of you and kept going . I thought Vince would have wanted it this way.
They have them at Home Depot already I bought a set of 5 ,,T - 25 bits for around $5 or 6 bucks and they lasted thru the whole job driving over 200 tile cement board screws no problem. 👌
VCG Construction I’m a second year apprentice and the two main tools I see are Milwaukee and desalt but I’ve been leaning towards Milwaukee. Is the Angler worth it since you’ve had it in your hands?
Harder materials wear better but crack easier. That is why smart manufacturers only harden only the wear surface. Milwaukee took the strange approach of instead adding a shock absorber in the narrow shank while the entire tip is still brittle. This may work fine as long as the driving device has just the right amount of impact force and you don't use them with a driver that has more.
I drove over 200 backer board screws with the new 50x longer torx bits and not a problem it didn't shatter and it barely has a scratch on it. 👌 the ones that come in the box wore out pretty quick. I also used a makita gold torx bit to drive around 200 screws and it lasted but started slipping after a while, the Milwaukee lasted way longer and is still working perfectly.
Most of Milwaukee's statements are just marketing spin and fluff. First of all, a carbide matrix exists in steels as it forms from the carbon that turns iron into steel, and the alloying metals such as chrome, vanadium, etc. Carbides are very hard but brittle so tool makers carefully manage the amount of and distribution within the steel. Its clear that these Milwaukee bits have not been engineered well and the bits are too hard/brittle and are not recommended.
It’s sorta like using a regular none impact socket for impact and it shatters while the impact socket is softer and doesn’t shatter but the impact socket wears out. It’s the same with the various grades of rails we use, higher carbon temperature control cooled rails are more brittle versus some other types of lower carbon temperature control cooled rails.
Thanks for the explanation Vince! I believe we are going through a revolution of bit technology here now with these powerful cordless tools. It’s going to take us all a while to get used to and videos like this help! 👍💪💪👊
I got the matrix carbide Philips bits.. because of seeing your video... With the 2.0 Milwaukee bits vs the dewalt bits for Philips... the dewalt always had a better fit ... imo... Now the matrix bits are a different story.. they fit a Phillips #2 awesomely... I'm by no means doing what a professional drywall person does... but I do enough that I was willing to spend the money... And my take on them... well ... these have a lifetime warranty... it came in a 2 pack... one is in my ridgid impact driver... the other is in it's package.... when the tip does break... I will take my pic... send it to them... and while I'm awaiting for the new bit to arrive.... I will put in that second bit that came in the package.... Either way they basicly said from what you said both the 3.0 and the matrix will have fracture damage under hard conditions... well... overtime ... having a lifetime warranty will save you money compared to the 3.0 ... providing you don't lose them or they get stolen... which is why my matrix bit will live in that impact driver... cause i have 2 others I can use the other bits with.
Exactly. Milwaukee said these are the greatest and were driving and purposely spinning them around to strip screws but I see the big problem what Vince is saying against long fasteners with actual impact needs.... I bought the carbide matrix for the intent of wearing out the bit less due to being harder so the tip will not warp like other bits... I very much see the problems. I think they should have put a “wearguard” coating and keep it carbide. It does have its purpose but that’s not how it was advertised.
Wiha impact driver bits. I get months of use out of a bit and I drive hundreds of acres a day, sometimes over 1000. Wood screws, self tapers, tapcons. All day long :)
So are the new Milwaukee shockwave bits worth it you think or should I stick with what I already have in my arsenal one of my neighbors is a HVAC technician and he uses them but he don't like them prefers either Makita or Bosch.
Hello Vince, The Gen 2 bits do not fix a Philips Plus 2 coated #10 Roberts head screw. Thats a problem. Also the Gen 2 star bits do not fit a Deckmate exterior coated star head deck screw well, and with Grip Rite general purpose #2 Philips head screws the Milwaukee slips out of the slot a bunch. I hope the Gen 3 is better. I still use the Milwaukee bits on a limited basics for small assembly work. I'm just not a fan of the Milwaukee bits. I use Kreg#2 Roberts bits a lot, Metabo bits, and as much as I dislike the Dewalt brand. I do purchase there bits. The Dewalt bit fits my screws very well. Thank you for the video sir.
Hi Vince, Thanks for that clarification on the Milwaukee bits. Milwaukee just need to advertise that a little more on the package. That should do it. Hey if you get a chance check out (littlemilto) Milton. He's out of the UK and he always give you prop and thank you. The video will be under - Milwaukee, Matrix Carbid Warning on Application. He did a follow up with the milwaukee bits with your info. Take care and keep does video coming
To be perfectly honest it got a little confusing trying to remember when to use what bit and for how long. I hope Milwaukee puts this on their packaging so we can at least make a label to put in the toolbox so the guys know when to use what bit.
I bought a pack of the one inch and a pack of the 2 inch of the brand new never buy another bit lifetime warranty ones that came out 2 weeks ago. I took the first bit out put it in my impact driver and made it 1 and a half days before it shattered!! Literally shattering the entire head. I was only putting 1.5 inch drywall screws into drywall
Great video but didn’t you already say all this before ? The stander shock wave 3.0 is by far better then the first shock wave ! And love my matrix tips ! I been tuning a 3.0 tip everyday for the past month. When it wares out I send a photo .
Wow thanks for the info vince but im not liking the different apps for different bits why not just make a stronger long lasting bit that doesnt slip for all ph2 applications why make it more confusing for the non informed i still will buy the matrix and will throw everything at it to see if i like it enough to make a switch i just think if that is true what there saying bout the matrix then its a point down imo because i just want buy a better bit and forget about it and just use it for everything
Hmm I'll have to re watch the video. They stated that the matrix carbide is for smaller screws, essentially. It's just that the marketing make these things sound like the beeze neez, and that they won't snap, but we're using it wrong? Sounds like Apple response to me
@@VCGConstruction so essentially it's a harder metal but brittle. Essentially like any other metal. Good to know. Unfortunately this won't work for me and will have to go with the 3.0 as I'm screwing larger screws into composite materials that would put a large load on the tip.
I like my Milwaukee tools, but as an auto tech I can tell you Snap On bits are ridiculously good. You don't need a "pack" of bits. Just one will last FOREVER.
@vcg can you talk to Milwaukee about 2 things they need to put into the jackets. 1- rubber or something like that on the shoulders. In the winter my bag slides off my Milwaukee jacket. 2- the one key. Cause I misplace my stuff.
I hate the gen 3.00 (new bits). They wear out way too fast, much faster the the old black tips, that unfortunately are no longer available in Canada. Have to experiment with some of the competition merchandise I guess.
YO VINCE, WHATS GOOD MY GUY... I'LL GET STRAIGHT TO THE QUESTION. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF 3" DRY WALL SCREEWS? WHAT SPECIFICALLY WERE THEY DESIGNED TO DO? I HAVE NEVER SEEN DRYWALL THICKER THAN 5/8TH OF AN IN. I KNOW THAT PPL SOMETIMES USE DRYWALL SCREWS IN WOOD WORKING PROJECTS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT DRYWALL SCREWS ARE DESIGNED FOR, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST CONVENIENTLY IN OUR TOOL BAG. WHAT WE'RE 2-3" DRYWALL SCREWS DESIGNED TO HANG OR ATTACH?
I lived in a row house once... instead of painting people would just add more drywall... i removed 4 layers of drywall... even the deep stud finders couldn't find the studs ... so we decided to take the wall down... we were shocked.
The harder a metal is, generally, the more brittle and prone to fracture it is. Since this is extremely hard to reduce wear, it seems it can't handle tons and tons of torque.
The point here is that every bit lasts 100 screws.Believe me i try many many brands and they all break someday.I hope these Milwaukee shockwave i buy will last a little bit longer.
Good explanation, but Milwaukee's information seems flawed as carbide found in other applications, such as in waste removal machining, can take heavier loads but are simply very brittle. That is to say, the carbide tends to chip and snap under shock rather than under high torque demands. To be honest, it sounds like the person who got person sent out for damage control on this mixed up the information from the engineers. Regardless, I'd like to see the full testing data and come to my own conclusions.
Hey just throwing this out their. Theirs a review of the driver brands. A guy was only able to drive less than 90 Philips screws into wood before the shockwaze was worn out. The screws were not that long. Sorry I don't have his channel info. Or details. I didn't get more than this. Mabe you can find it.
The top of the bit looks like they kinda copied the Dewalt maxfit I've been using for years, fits the screws better but tip breaks every so often. I'm a Milwaukee guy but I LOVE my Dewalt bits and probably won't bother trying these unless someone buys me one for a gift.
I've had much better luck with dewalt bits. Almost every single newer style milwaukee bit has wore out on me or broken and it hasn't made a difference what head type it is. I still have dewalt bits from years ago with a high amount of use on them.
Yes they do and last a long time, I have the Phillips #2 ones and the torx # 25 ones and been using them both and they last long and work great. 👌 Home Depot has them in stock now.
This makes a lot of sense. This is the same phenomenon you see with cutlery steel. You can have a very hard, wear resistant steel but you sacrifice toughness and strength. Conversely, you can have a very tough steel that wears more readily. It's all give and take. Great video! Thanks for explaining.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the difference between the carbide bits and the wear guard tip (gen 3). Knolegde is power and that's why I keep coming back to your channel.
Instablaster...
Vince, great video! In my opinion It sounds like Milwaukee has come up with creative reasons as to why their bits break. As a tradesman I don’t want to have to think about changing my Phillips bit when I transition from metal framing screws to Sheetrock screws. I lost count of how many Shockwave bits I’ve broken and finally gave up on buying them. Not to mention that I haven’t had one actually break at the intended “shock zone”, they fail at the tip leaving fragments in the fasteners! What am I using now, you ask? Well lemme tell you. Makita impact Golds! Tried and true! Ive been on a three month construction contract, 10 hour days, 6 days a week, metal framing, sheet rocking onto metal and wood, and much more with only one Makita bit! Give them a try and see for yourself.
Great info. Making knives I've had to learn about metallurgy and you've explained this really well.
Thanks buddy I appreciate it!! What type of knives do you make?
Fixed blades for now. Working on a slip joint folder, hopefully have that out around September.
Awesome Goodrich good luck!!
I'm usually a Milwaukee tool guy buy recently had use my titanium bit set more than I have had to any other time in past. And I must admit. They freaking suck. When DeWalt black oxide out performs. Something up. Appreciate it for letting me give my 2 cent.
That is sad that the dewalt black oxide did better
The dewalt titanium set is actually the best price and value for your buck. I'm not big on any of the other bits they make but those last a little while. Bosch makes a 14 piece titanium set that is very nice.
The harder steel gets, the more resistant to wear it gets. The other effect is that it becomes far more brittle once the steel crosses a certain HRC threshold. Standard shockwave will work far better in impacts and the carbide better at low stress, tedious tasks.
Jaaaammmm something so easy but the manufacturers have to make it so complicated! Great video Vince!
I've seen a bunch of videos about how the bits are breaking really easy
For the past couple weeks i have been using the new #2. We typically in 1 week would go through about 12 dewalt #2s or about 4 milwuakees. So far 1 matrix carbide has lasted 2 weeks estimated around 2500 screws and still going strong its awesome
Makita gold , try it
I had to listen twice to this discussion because I didn't understand the significance of one application being different than the other.
After the second go over - it made perfect sense.
This helps. Thank you Vince. I own a Shockwave 2.0 set and I will say they are nice. Paired with my Milwaukee Impact driver and they do great. Built a deck with them and built a lot of different random things.
Awesome Hunter thanks!!
Great video what to see how they will hold up against Wiha bits
Thanks a ton Vince I love your videos man and the education you provide all of us!
This is what I suspected after breaking 2 of the matrix bits in a row with self tappers into structural steel. Everything has an intended application, i was foolish for thinking it would be a miracle bit that could do it all. Thanks for the clarification
Thanks Joshua!!
did you warranty the bits ?
kingofthecrease30 yes, got an auto reply that said someone would get back to me in 3-5 business days
I love the carbide bits. I use them all the time
I never knew Vince could talk to SsshhhSnnnaaakesSsshhh...🐍 Thankssshhh... for the Info Vinssshhh 👍
So it's an impact-ready bit, that's only suitable for low-torque applications - the kind of applications that don't require an impact driver. Makes perfect sense to me.
Well done vid Vince. You explained everything in detail. I haven't purchased any Milwaukee Shockwave or Matrix Carbide bits yet as I purchased two sets of DeWalt bits over the Christmas holiday. I will eventually order those Milwaukee bits later this summer and give them a shot though. I have to build a large shed and a small deck so I'll def be checking them out. Thanks for the awesome vid. Cheers buddy!
Good luck William Logan thank you!!
Those bit holders looks a lot like the ones from the Mikita Gold kits. But I’m am looking forward to trying out the new matrix bits 🛠
Wow it fits a drywall gun. Baller status
Another good and informative video! Great job! Have a great Saturday everyone!🌞😍
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Thanks for the clarification.
Thanks Diana we appreciate you!
So if I always predrill my holes, which should I get? The 45 pc Shockwave Impact Duty Driver Bit set homedepot has for $25 doesn't have the 3.0 design. Only 2.0 I think, or maybe 1.0 I don't know how to tell that difference. I remember Dewalt Flex Torque used to be the best for longevity & grip on the screw but they're gone & replaced with something else. I already own the 15 pc Milwaukee Shockwave Impact Duty Titanium Driver Bit set so I'd like to keep it all the same brand for compatibility. I do need at least the second best longevity & bite though.
This is a very good explanation and it should probably be on their packages or marketing brochures.
Hey Vince thanks for the video. I purchased the PH2R bits with Wear Guard. PH2R is the Drywall Bit Inserts which i find more reliable and last even longer than a regular PH2 #2. Thanks for looking out Vinny.
Awesome KGJ we appreciate it!!
Good job explaining how they came up with a wayto sell more tips. Although, for the non technical people, they may be discouraged at the quality of these bits when used improperly.
Most likely you are correct
@@VCGConstruction love the vids. Just smoked an old 18v Dewalt hammer drill today. When the smoke started coming out I thought of you and kept going . I thought Vince would have wanted it this way.
Thanks for clearing that up. I may not get the #2 Phillips bits. However I would love T10 & 15 bits that are hopefully coming soon
Thanks dan the man solderholm!!
They have them at Home Depot already I bought a set of 5 ,,T - 25 bits for around $5 or 6 bucks and they lasted thru the whole job driving over 200 tile cement board screws no problem. 👌
You gained a subscriber. I love these videos. Idk why. But I love this
Thanks Rob, we appreciate it!
VCG Construction I’m a second year apprentice and the two main tools I see are Milwaukee and desalt but I’ve been leaning towards Milwaukee. Is the Angler worth it since you’ve had it in your hands?
Thanks for the explanation Vince....much appreciated!!!
Harder materials wear better but crack easier. That is why smart manufacturers only harden only the wear surface. Milwaukee took the strange approach of instead adding a shock absorber in the narrow shank while the entire tip is still brittle. This may work fine as long as the driving device has just the right amount of impact force and you don't use them with a driver that has more.
I drove over 200 backer board screws with the new 50x longer torx bits and not a problem it didn't shatter and it barely has a scratch on it. 👌 the ones that come in the box wore out pretty quick. I also used a makita gold torx bit to drive around 200 screws and it lasted but started slipping after a while, the Milwaukee lasted way longer and is still working perfectly.
Most of Milwaukee's statements are just marketing spin and fluff. First of all, a carbide matrix exists in steels as it forms from the carbon that turns iron into steel, and the alloying metals such as chrome, vanadium, etc. Carbides are very hard but brittle so tool makers carefully manage the amount of and distribution within the steel. Its clear that these Milwaukee bits have not been engineered well and the bits are too hard/brittle and are not recommended.
Thanks for the breaking news good information 👍👍
Thanks Dude!!
Thanks my man. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Richard!
Vince. You explained it well... thankyou..
Thanks John L!
Great explanation, Vince😁 May the 4th and God be with you!
May the 4th be with you my friend, always!!
It’s sorta like using a regular none impact socket for impact and it shatters while the impact socket is softer and doesn’t shatter but the impact socket wears out.
It’s the same with the various grades of rails we use, higher carbon temperature control cooled rails are more brittle versus some other types of lower carbon temperature control cooled rails.
Good point Jason thanks for the feedback
Sometimes there are hidden fissures from the manufacturing process.
Thanks for the explanation Vince! I believe we are going through a revolution of bit technology here now with these powerful cordless tools. It’s going to take us all a while to get used to and videos like this help! 👍💪💪👊
Thanks ABD we appreciate it!
Haha i love how hard you try and make every little thing you say sound so smart. My wife does that a lot haha
I got the matrix carbide Philips bits.. because of seeing your video...
With the 2.0 Milwaukee bits vs the dewalt bits for Philips... the dewalt always had a better fit ... imo...
Now the matrix bits are a different story.. they fit a Phillips #2 awesomely...
I'm by no means doing what a professional drywall person does... but I do enough that I was willing to spend the money...
And my take on them... well ... these have a lifetime warranty... it came in a 2 pack... one is in my ridgid impact driver... the other is in it's package.... when the tip does break... I will take my pic... send it to them... and while I'm awaiting for the new bit to arrive.... I will put in that second bit that came in the package....
Either way they basicly said from what you said both the 3.0 and the matrix will have fracture damage under hard conditions... well... overtime ... having a lifetime warranty will save you money compared to the 3.0 ... providing you don't lose them or they get stolen... which is why my matrix bit will live in that impact driver... cause i have 2 others I can use the other bits with.
Exactly. Milwaukee said these are the greatest and were driving and purposely spinning them around to strip screws but I see the big problem what Vince is saying against long fasteners with actual impact needs.... I bought the carbide matrix for the intent of wearing out the bit less due to being harder so the tip will not warp like other bits... I very much see the problems. I think they should have put a “wearguard” coating and keep it carbide.
It does have its purpose but that’s not how it was advertised.
Hard metals break, soft metals wear out
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Great explanation bud. Seriously.
"you may die of cancer, but at least your bits will still be good to go" 👍
Dewalt commercial before Milwaukee video lmao
Wiha impact driver bits. I get months of use out of a bit and I drive hundreds of acres a day, sometimes over 1000. Wood screws, self tapers, tapcons. All day long :)
So are the new Milwaukee shockwave bits worth it you think or should I stick with what I already have in my arsenal one of my neighbors is a HVAC technician and he uses them but he don't like them prefers either Makita or Bosch.
If you’ll be doing lower load highly repetitive tasks yes the matrix bits are worth it in my opinion!
I just picked up the 50x torx bits and #2 bits so far they work great. I also got the 6in #2 bit.
Hello Vince, The Gen 2 bits do not fix a Philips Plus 2 coated #10 Roberts head screw. Thats a problem. Also the Gen 2 star bits do not fit a Deckmate exterior coated star head deck screw well, and with Grip Rite general purpose #2 Philips head screws the Milwaukee slips out of the slot a bunch. I hope the Gen 3 is better. I still use the Milwaukee bits on a limited basics for small assembly work. I'm just not a fan of the Milwaukee bits. I use Kreg#2 Roberts bits a lot, Metabo bits, and as much as I dislike the Dewalt brand. I do purchase there bits. The Dewalt bit fits my screws very well. Thank you for the video sir.
Thanks for all the feedback Stephen we appreciate it!!
Hi Vince,
Thanks for that clarification on the Milwaukee bits. Milwaukee just need to advertise that a little more on the package. That should do it.
Hey if you get a chance check out (littlemilto) Milton. He's out of the UK and he always give you prop and thank you. The video will be under - Milwaukee, Matrix Carbid Warning on Application. He did a follow up with the milwaukee bits with your info.
Take care and keep does video coming
Yup little Milto is a very nice person!!
Good info. So pick them both up. Got it.
Great explanation & information! 👍🏻
Thanks MJC we appreciate it!
To be perfectly honest it got a little confusing trying to remember when to use what bit and for how long. I hope Milwaukee puts this on their packaging so we can at least make a label to put in the toolbox so the guys know when to use what bit.
Great heads up vince! That's why I watch! #VCG4LIFE!
Thanks Amos you da man!!
Happy Saturday!!
Happy Saturday Amos!!
The bit got stuck to the bit holder and wouldn't come off, is there a way to remove them? Seems like a poor design to me
Great Info. Vid...thanks Vince..!
Thanks Zee!!
Thanks for the confusion.... I mean clarification
This is going to be awesome
I bought a pack of the one inch and a pack of the 2 inch of the brand new never buy another bit lifetime warranty ones that came out 2 weeks ago. I took the first bit out put it in my impact driver and made it 1 and a half days before it shattered!! Literally shattering the entire head. I was only putting 1.5 inch drywall screws into drywall
Makes sense now I guess. I wrote that comment before I watched the video because I’m still pissed about the damn bits shattering like that.
Great video but didn’t you already say all this before ? The stander shock wave 3.0 is by far better then the first shock wave ! And love my matrix tips ! I been tuning a 3.0 tip everyday for the past month. When it wares out I send a photo .
Wanted to follow up just in case we didn’t explain well enough!! 🤣🤣
Thanks Vince!
Thanks Coupe!!
Wow thanks for the info vince but im not liking the different apps for different bits why not just make a stronger long lasting bit that doesnt slip for all ph2 applications why make it more confusing for the non informed i still will buy the matrix and will throw everything at it to see if i like it enough to make a switch i just think if that is true what there saying bout the matrix then its a point down imo because i just want buy a better bit and forget about it and just use it for everything
Hmm I'll have to re watch the video. They stated that the matrix carbide is for smaller screws, essentially. It's just that the marketing make these things sound like the beeze neez, and that they won't snap, but we're using it wrong? Sounds like Apple response to me
They should wear down with more screws driven under a smaller load is how I understand it!!
@@VCGConstruction so essentially it's a harder metal but brittle. Essentially like any other metal. Good to know. Unfortunately this won't work for me and will have to go with the 3.0 as I'm screwing larger screws into composite materials that would put a large load on the tip.
Which do you think would be better for exterior 1 5/8” screws for fencing (attaching cedar pickets to pine 2 x 4‘s)?
Thanks for the info it is Educational on the bit's thanks to VCG
Great info
Thank you Gustavo, we appreciate it!!
Hit that pulse Vince
Anyone know why they discontinued the matrix carbide bits?????.
I like my Milwaukee tools, but as an auto tech I can tell you Snap On bits are ridiculously good. You don't need a "pack" of bits. Just one will last FOREVER.
Driving 1" screws into mostly plugs sometimes 1.25" screw into stud 4 hours a day. Robinson #2 looking twisted after 3 weeks.
Ok well I’m going to buy the Milwaukee fish tape I hope u back it up bc I’m going to give to alll out
Pretty obvious they should have made a sheetrock bit for the carbide form factor.
@vcg can you talk to Milwaukee about 2 things they need to put into the jackets.
1- rubber or something like that on the shoulders. In the winter my bag slides off my Milwaukee jacket.
2- the one key. Cause I misplace my stuff.
Where to buy the New bits
good bits
I hate the gen 3.00 (new bits). They wear out way too fast, much faster the the old black tips, that unfortunately are no longer available in Canada. Have to experiment with some of the competition merchandise I guess.
Thank you for your service!
Great explanation @vcgconstruction
YO VINCE, WHATS GOOD MY GUY... I'LL GET STRAIGHT TO THE QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF 3" DRY WALL SCREEWS? WHAT SPECIFICALLY WERE THEY DESIGNED TO DO? I HAVE NEVER SEEN DRYWALL THICKER THAN 5/8TH OF AN IN. I KNOW THAT PPL SOMETIMES USE DRYWALL SCREWS IN WOOD WORKING PROJECTS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT DRYWALL SCREWS ARE DESIGNED FOR, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST CONVENIENTLY IN OUR TOOL BAG. WHAT WE'RE 2-3" DRYWALL SCREWS DESIGNED TO HANG OR ATTACH?
For attaching multiple layers of drywall. Most likely for a fire rating !
I lived in a row house once... instead of painting people would just add more drywall... i removed 4 layers of drywall... even the deep stud finders couldn't find the studs ... so we decided to take the wall down... we were shocked.
Thanks guys!
Sounds like they should make Matrix Carbide Dimpler bits
still waiting on the new bits in sarasota county florida !!!
The harder a metal is, generally, the more brittle and prone to fracture it is. Since this is extremely hard to reduce wear, it seems it can't handle tons and tons of torque.
@ vcg. Acme tools have the 3.0 ho milwaukee batteries for $99
Thanks for the heads up chuck!!
The point here is that every bit lasts 100 screws.Believe me i try many many brands and they all break someday.I hope these Milwaukee shockwave i buy will last a little bit longer.
Nice bits!
Awesome
Thanks bb
Good explanation, but Milwaukee's information seems flawed as carbide found in other applications, such as in waste removal machining, can take heavier loads but are simply very brittle. That is to say, the carbide tends to chip and snap under shock rather than under high torque demands. To be honest, it sounds like the person who got person sent out for damage control on this mixed up the information from the engineers. Regardless, I'd like to see the full testing data and come to my own conclusions.
Great informative video Vince @vcgconstruction
Hey just throwing this out their. Theirs a review of the driver brands. A guy was only able to drive less than 90 Philips screws into wood before the shockwaze was worn out. The screws were not that long. Sorry I don't have his channel info. Or details. I didn't get more than this. Mabe you can find it.
The top of the bit looks like they kinda copied the Dewalt maxfit I've been using for years, fits the screws better but tip breaks every so often.
I'm a Milwaukee guy but I LOVE my Dewalt bits and probably won't bother trying these unless someone buys me one for a gift.
Only problem screws aren't as tough.
There's no anti strip screws
Btw @vcgconstrution may the force be with you. / May 4
And may the 4th be with you as well my friend!!
Just the tip
I've had much better luck with dewalt bits. Almost every single newer style milwaukee bit has wore out on me or broken and it hasn't made a difference what head type it is. I still have dewalt bits from years ago with a high amount of use on them.
So they have different intended applications and different failure factors. Ok. ...But no mention of the lifetime warranty....
so do the matrix carbite actually "bite" in to the screw like Milwaukee claims
Yes they do and last a long time, I have the Phillips #2 ones and the torx # 25 ones and been using them both and they last long and work great. 👌 Home Depot has them in stock now.
The hands omg lol
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I will just stick with my Dewalt tough grip and flextorq bits!
Are they going to release any ina t20 or 25 bit size for decking screws?
yes...torx & robertson square bits are coming out in october 2019
Make it simple for us newbies best impact driver bits are???
My 1 Brooke after 2wks of work
Probably better to have the bit wear out slightly faster, than have you screw head damaged and unable to remove.