Australian Muscle Car takes on American Muscle Cars. 1971 Ford GT Falcon vs 60's Camaro and Mustang.

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • Aussie race driver Darren Smith behind the wheel of his 351 Cleveland powered historic road racer takes on some American Muscle cars at Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit in Australia. The 1971 XY GTHO Falcon was one of Ford's and Australia's most iconic Muscle Cars of the period. Today's Group Nc Historic category emulates Australia's Improved Touring Car category of the 60s and 70s, and also includes American derived cars similar to those raced in the USA Trans-Am series during the same period.

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  • @ozbusa
    @ozbusa 4 года назад +78

    Well, that just made my day finding this. I could watch this all day. Sorry all the new supertech stuff, but this is racing. This is what it's all about. Working the clutch and the H pattern box. Absolutely love it.

    • @jazpanoz4996
      @jazpanoz4996 3 года назад +12

      Otta Fish @ not to mention wrestling the steering lol epic workout 💪

    • @walthammond6816
      @walthammond6816 3 года назад +8

      This guy can drive!

    • @greygolem
      @greygolem Год назад +5

      And watching the shaker kick during gear change. Ah!

    • @crazyhorse2995
      @crazyhorse2995 11 месяцев назад +2

      Damn straight.🤘

  • @chrismoody1342
    @chrismoody1342 3 года назад +38

    I’m here in Kansas, middle of USA and know ever inch of Phillips Island track. Just love the flow of this track. Especially the charge downhill between turns 2 and 4. Ahh....what I would do to drive around it in real life with howling V8.

  • @BadApe351
    @BadApe351 4 года назад +47

    If only he'd got a better start. But the way he hunted them down goes to show what an awesome package the mighty GTHO was - even up against the best the USA had to offer at the time..

    • @choppaster
      @choppaster 10 месяцев назад +2

      looking at that it is as much driver skill as power

  • @dennisdobin8640
    @dennisdobin8640 4 года назад +37

    No better sound ,than a screaming ford v8, and that from and old Holden fan.

    • @savvasperisanidis
      @savvasperisanidis 3 года назад +6

      And from a Fordian nothing like the belch of a v8 holden. Lest we forget

  • @ckelley63
    @ckelley63 4 года назад +12

    You Aussies are some serious driver's!

  • @RiverSanguine
    @RiverSanguine Год назад +4

    I miss my GT and I am really trying to be environmentally friendly and everything but my lotto plans still start with a car wish list. 1) XW 2)XC etc etc 351 toploader and plant 30,000 tress just to ease the guilt .....

  • @davidmacfadyen165
    @davidmacfadyen165 3 года назад +12

    I just have to say it's AMAZING all the people who wouldn't let this guy through, i surely could not be the only who would notice this, says alot about the horses in a 351. Still was nice to watch though

    • @paulsontag9233
      @paulsontag9233 Год назад +4

      The red car early and later that blue car was being a dick.

  • @alanhill4338
    @alanhill4338 Год назад +10

    Wow, after a not so good start he "slowly" worked his way through the pack. I was hardly able to sit still watching him work his magic. 👍

  • @peterhoulis1184
    @peterhoulis1184 4 года назад +9

    Made in Australia

  • @alanchurch2203
    @alanchurch2203 4 года назад +12

    the shaker doing its dance... MMMmmmmm

  • @3800TURBO
    @3800TURBO 4 года назад +12

    Balls of steel. These classics cost as much as a house and they beat on them.

    • @dennisjackson3531
      @dennisjackson3531 3 года назад +2

      I have always thought that i would like to drive a race car but after seeing this , I can honestly say my balls are not that steely

  • @jefflundquist5771
    @jefflundquist5771 3 года назад +11

    That Aussie 1971 Ford GT Falcon really shined in the long straights. Not too shabby in the corners either!

    • @greygolem
      @greygolem Год назад +1

      If you watch carefully, he makes some serious ground on brakes and corner entry.

  • @anthonybrennan1075
    @anthonybrennan1075 4 года назад +14

    Thanks Glenn! This really shows how much hard work these old steeds are. Oversteer....understeer.....oversteer.....understeer. Awesome to watch. I'm wondering what Darren was upset about at the end though?

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  4 года назад +11

      Yes, they're a handful! I think he was super angry that he missed the start and let them get away.

    • @stevegrydzyn6038
      @stevegrydzyn6038 4 года назад +8

      @Anthony Brennan. He did have a bad start, otherwise he would have been much closer.

  • @simonhendry1
    @simonhendry1 4 года назад +13

    Spud gets a little animated at the end. That xy of his does sound bloody good.

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  4 года назад +8

      simonhendry1 I think he was pretty annoyed with himself for letting them get away on the start.

  • @pub6023
    @pub6023 4 года назад +11

    Great video, he was busier than a one armed taxi driver with crabs!

    • @ellieprice3396
      @ellieprice3396 4 года назад +1

      Or, a one legged man in a a...s kicking contest. From America, great video.

    • @danniielle
      @danniielle 10 месяцев назад

      That comment absolutely cracked me up! Gold!! 😁

  • @gardegnome69
    @gardegnome69 4 года назад +8

    Too many slow cars keeping the big girl behind... 😩

  • @axeman.982
    @axeman.982 3 года назад +4

    XY GT HO ,World's fastest 4 door saloon car 1971..👌🍻👍

    • @savvasperisanidis
      @savvasperisanidis 3 года назад +1

      There's a few GTs in this race. Im amazed how gutsy the race car drivers are to drive these full on knowing they worth as much as a house today wow

  • @donkinzett3961
    @donkinzett3961 4 года назад +6

    Awesome once the old girl got warmed up

  • @darylclifford
    @darylclifford 2 года назад +5

    My Sister had a blue GTHO! I used to watch that air intake “Shake” when the engine was loading or unloading power during gear changes !! It was a sight to see then as much as now ❤️👀🦘👍🇦🇺

  • @Dags470
    @Dags470 4 года назад +12

    When the machinery is fairly evenly matched, the size of the drivers balls means everything. 🤣

  • @briandurham7356
    @briandurham7356 4 года назад +6

    Like watching that hood scoop Rock in the hood

  • @MrFordpower
    @MrFordpower 3 года назад +5

    What an awsome sound.🥰🥰

  • @01Z06guy
    @01Z06guy 4 года назад +12

    Much more fun to watch than anything modern.

    • @dennisdobin8640
      @dennisdobin8640 4 года назад +1

      Go and check out the old mini's racing in the classic races in England,now that racing.

  • @davehad-enough2369
    @davehad-enough2369 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hey good to see that "shaker" doing it's thing in the bonnet. That driver was fearless under brakes ... that was his style. A XUI in the mix would have been interesting on the corners and under brakes.

  • @hobamasucs
    @hobamasucs Год назад +1

    "351 CLEVELAND " is an American V8 engine ! Not so much a True Muscle Car Engine but still it is an "American" Performance V8 from FORD ! "FORD" an AMERICAN car company , that makes the 351 CLEVELAND engine ,you Aussies are so proud of, for some reason !

  • @savvasperisanidis
    @savvasperisanidis 3 года назад +4

    The driver of this car has balls of steel and the skill of the Gods

  • @paulsontag9233
    @paulsontag9233 4 года назад +7

    He was killing them in the braking zones.

    • @dredrotten
      @dredrotten Год назад

      He sure was confident in those brakes, in fact, it was as if he became part of the car!

  • @montinaladine3264
    @montinaladine3264 4 года назад +3

    Wow, very thrilling 10 minutes in the passenger seat - ! Never realised how fast these cars actually go until you "feel" it like this.
    It looks like this car was slower than most of the others in acceleration (off the line, as I saw it) but had a higher top speed than most, would that be correct? He seemed to need to overtake a lot of them. Also it seemed to me that the steering linkage was not that direct- looked like a lot of play in it, lots of wheel movements needed all the time, is that normal? If the steering is too precise and direct, does that mean too much potential danger for losing control?

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  4 года назад +3

      Great question! He got a bad start and lost some ground, so he had to chase them down. It's a fine line, sometimes you get either too much wheel spin or you can even bog down. In a perfect world you get excellent acceleration and traction every time on the start, but there's no such thing as a perfect world. :-). The steering in these old cars is a lot different to modern race cars, the ratio's are slower, there is also a lot more compliance in the mechanical element and also the old school race tyres.

  • @jasonmcnamara2079
    @jasonmcnamara2079 4 года назад +4

    XY looked better in the corners than the American muscle, its where he seemed to catch them up.

  • @jackbiviano5048
    @jackbiviano5048 Год назад +1

    XY diff ratio is too tall designed for Bathurst the other USA cars are more like 3.5 to 1 . So they take off faster . That package made for conrod straight .

  • @MiniLuv-1984
    @MiniLuv-1984 Год назад +1

    What a great POV - next to the driver - brilliant. (Also, yes the patriotism gene struck hard).

  • @MrMotorNerd
    @MrMotorNerd 3 года назад +2

    He is taking some lovely lines through most of the corners .A little shortshifting too after MG .

  • @seanyuke3249
    @seanyuke3249 4 месяца назад +1

    How good is that? Feeding her the fat, braking way later than he has any right to. Great to watch. (and hear)

  • @philkelly8031
    @philkelly8031 Год назад +1

    Great drive just a bad start thenbeing blocked you had the speed that's for shore.

  • @peterharris38
    @peterharris38 Год назад +3

    This was real racing, muscle car no extras and gritty determination. And the grunt on acceleration oh yeah 😊

  • @velocityjet1884
    @velocityjet1884 3 года назад +3

    If he had a good start off, he may have had a good chance of taking out the yanks

  • @martinellul1604
    @martinellul1604 3 года назад +2

    I have done a few sprints at Pi in my XW, so much fun and workout on the arms for sure, love this video, these cars sure do slide around alot on those hoosiers 😍

  • @tcfordhotmailcom
    @tcfordhotmailcom 4 года назад +8

    Philip Island. What a great track! GTHO Falcon. What a great soundtrack! Bloke grew a big set of nuts and drove the arse off the big Falc after dudding the start. Cool vid.

  • @Antechynus
    @Antechynus 3 года назад +3

    Great track, great car, great driver. Awesome.👍

  • @warrenjones3408
    @warrenjones3408 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sweetest noise ever made
    V8 iron block

  • @Danger_mouse
    @Danger_mouse Год назад +1

    It's an evil handling mess on the turns eh 🙂
    Plenty of poke on the straights 👍

  • @peterlee6745
    @peterlee6745 4 года назад +4

    A Bit Slow at The Start Cost Him

    • @dennisdobin8640
      @dennisdobin8640 4 года назад +1

      Tyres may have been colder the the Mustangs?

  • @mikldude9376
    @mikldude9376 Год назад +1

    I was about to get some shut eye with a few tubes to unwind beforehand and stumbled on this clip , nice effort by the driver , and the mighty XY just music to the ears ,and puts a big smile on the dial ...... thanks for posting .

  • @DirtTherapyDownUnder
    @DirtTherapyDownUnder 4 года назад +2

    Talk about taming the beast.................

  • @davidmilledge221
    @davidmilledge221 Год назад +1

    Gee a few more laps he would have gotten them he's good at driving that old girl he proved something tho it blitzed all the other muscle cars he over took and gaining on the others up front , indurance racing them things were built for and they did prove it at Bathurst , go the Aussie muscle cars 👍

  • @kimbo3068
    @kimbo3068 Год назад +1

    That 351 Clevo sure has Balls!

  • @JJbrown3692
    @JJbrown3692 Год назад +1

    Time and money is all it needs..be awesome to see when finished..pure legend,,super Roo shaker.. XY phrase 3..

  • @davidb0126a
    @davidb0126a 4 года назад +3

    Hey, I'm an American, but an Aussie fan too. Australian muscle? The Falcon is probably built there in Australia but you're running a LOT of American parts. That shaker hood scoop originally appeared on 69/70 Mustangs, the 351W he's probably running was developed here (yeah, I know, it's built in Canada, but it is just over the boarder you know 😀). I'm not real familiar with the Australian Falcon but I'm sure there are many, many other American or American developed parts. I'd be willing to bet that everything but the sheet metal is based on the 69/70 or 71-73 Mustang and/or Torino. So, I guess it's really American muscle against American muscle with Aussie drivers. Great video though. Loved the first person aspect of it. 👍👍

    • @dennisdobin8640
      @dennisdobin8640 4 года назад +1

      The Falcon was basically and American 4 door sedan and your right most of the part are of American origin and where inter changeable with your basic American ford muscle car.That particular car the xy gt ho was famously associated with a driver named Allan Moffat,an other product from across your border Canada. That particular car was rated the fastest 4 door production car in the world when it was produced. David check out the next few model of the Falcon race car they where coups,great looking car.

    • @davidb0126a
      @davidb0126a 4 года назад +2

      @@dennisdobin8640 Yeah, I have looked at the later models. I agree, they do look good. We're watching the Aussie TV series Mcleod's Daughters. There's a Falcon GT in one of the episodes and I immediately recognized the shaker hood scoop. That's what led me to researching the Falcon. Kinda makes me think what Ford might have done here in an alternate universe. 😃
      Totally off the subject, but check out the old videos of a '39 Chevy coupe I used to have about 10 years ago. ruclips.net/channel/UCUZZ81nVjaZKN3mvnefwO1Q

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  4 года назад +2

      100% Correct and we're the first to admit and be proud of the US connection. All our DNA and in most cases design elements came from Detroit. :-)

    • @davidb0126a
      @davidb0126a 4 года назад +4

      @@GlennEverittMasterofMachines You know, with how crazy it is here in the US, Detroit is about as far away from us (I'm from Alabama) as it is from you. Maybe I should move to Australia. You think I'm kidding, but I don't know...

    • @randomdude4669
      @randomdude4669 4 года назад +1

      It's because it's ford they re use everything the only differences came later but even still they were diffrent, the xb or xa was never a carbon copy it had very diffrent styling and massive rear wheel wells for bathurst and better handling for our roads compared to mustangs of that year, definetly wouldn't call it american

  • @derekpierkowski7641
    @derekpierkowski7641 3 месяца назад

    Nice of you to let everyone go first!!!!🖖🤣 I'm throughly IMPRESSED!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @johnbiggins4864
    @johnbiggins4864 2 года назад

    Never really legendary at anything except being an overweight BARGE.........slow as a snail......i love the looks....like most Ford's...it promises so much

  • @jim-qy1mn
    @jim-qy1mn 3 года назад +1

    Hitting those apexes boy, only thing I seen needs tweaking is the suspension as there is body roll, and the tyres need bigger rubber maybe brakes as well then you have a super car... that engine sounds strong. driver was nailing towards the end starting to get right in the groove well done 👌

  • @bobuncle8704
    @bobuncle8704 Год назад +1

    That should have been a first pace run. There were 3 or 4 cars that continually cut him off corner after corner. If it weren’t for that he’d have won the race.

    • @0utcastAussie
      @0utcastAussie Год назад

      That's called Racing.
      If you don't want to get involved in that then make a better start !

    • @michaelcudby787
      @michaelcudby787 Год назад

      It wasnt so much the corners, that were the issue, it was the straights that those fu...wits kept blocking him. Corners are a different kettle of fish.

  • @darinhodge8015
    @darinhodge8015 Год назад +1

    Only an awsome driver could handle the gt falcon around a race track top drive man

  • @rono3045
    @rono3045 3 года назад +1

    Cleve baby Cleve..roll on

  • @rodneycroft5889
    @rodneycroft5889 8 месяцев назад

    Not enough long straights for the GTHO F 3 to out top speed them.
    If there was, it would be over after two or three laps.
    Speaking from a man who owned a GTS350, 4 barrel carb with Munster gear box an LSD.
    I had a mate that had one of these, and on the straights, I never stood a chance.

  • @discount8508
    @discount8508 3 года назад +1

    move over Stig

  • @sheridenboord7853
    @sheridenboord7853 3 месяца назад

    That was a nice drive. Kept it within his means. Yielded to other cars rather than crunch. Didn't look like he was out of his depth anywhere. Looked like he could do it all day long.

  • @ungurdani8346
    @ungurdani8346 4 месяца назад

    Salut my friend super car super video subscribe subscribe . ..

  • @Ekka007
    @Ekka007 11 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome drive, brut stuff..... spectacular to watch and the sound was distinct

  • @aceventura5398
    @aceventura5398 4 месяца назад

    The GTHO was considered a big car back in its day. Today it's like a medium popcorn.

  • @robertmoir7272
    @robertmoir7272 11 месяцев назад

    Awesome, a couple of laps tyre temp heat sync brakes, then the racer got in the groove well done. Ps do another TV motor show .

  • @JohnLee-mq4hk
    @JohnLee-mq4hk Год назад +1

    Its hard work for a driver to race and control that car.

  • @abbeyhall4624
    @abbeyhall4624 3 года назад +2

    Nice driving Darren.

  • @jasonspence7591scorpion
    @jasonspence7591scorpion Год назад +1

    JUST IMAGINE OLD FORD 351 WITH A 6 SPEED GEARBOX BEHIND IT ! IMAGIN HOW MUCH FASTER IT WOULD GO !👀😱🥴👍🤪😃😉💯🇭🇲DOC 🇦🇺

  • @Golden-dog88
    @Golden-dog88 Год назад +1

    woulda been better if it was Australia’s Little muscle car the Torana that little beast packed the heart of a monster

  • @timothydoult6025
    @timothydoult6025 Год назад +1

    sweet as bro

  • @nicholasaird8420
    @nicholasaird8420 Год назад +2

    Alway has been and always we be the sexiest ford ever made 😍

  • @lynettekent9712
    @lynettekent9712 3 года назад

    Awsum start! 😁

  • @Rassskle
    @Rassskle Год назад

    Like most of us, he couldn’t drive the beast...... made a fast car look so slow for the first 2 laps.
    The GTHO’s were big, bulky, heavy 4 door family cars with massive race engineered HP.
    He was steering via the steering wheel..... so slow.
    To be quick in a HO you had to steer via the GO pedal ( accelerator ) and use the wheel to keep the car balanced.
    Alan Moffat and John Goss were the only 2 who had the talent to master this technique and be really quick.

    • @MickH60
      @MickH60 11 месяцев назад

      Rubbish, you know NOTHING about the driver, he's better than you'll ever be Mr internet hero....FFS...

  • @uncletoy774
    @uncletoy774 10 месяцев назад

    wow ok i can't tell but are you guys not wearing the Han's devise

  • @robertmcfarlane3598
    @robertmcfarlane3598 3 месяца назад

    Nothing can beat the super roo Australian muscle is the best

  • @bubblesbubbles8978
    @bubblesbubbles8978 4 года назад +3

    Friggn awesome Darren and Glenn

  • @damionneranginui6546
    @damionneranginui6546 4 месяца назад

    I love watching 2 HOs picking a fight.

  • @walkertongdee
    @walkertongdee Год назад

    They are all American cars... Australia has never learned how to make cars.

    • @MickH60
      @MickH60 11 месяцев назад

      That's a really ignorant statement....

  • @StuartMurchie
    @StuartMurchie 6 месяцев назад

    Hey kansas man you want to take a few laps around bathurst

  • @TheRastler
    @TheRastler Год назад

    Spinning wheels do not make for a good getaway

  • @huskypilot6305
    @huskypilot6305 9 месяцев назад

    Watching that shaker live up to it’s name brought back memories from my childhood. My dad drove like a cop even when he wasn’t on duty

  • @theearthrexden
    @theearthrexden 11 месяцев назад

    The best car Australia’s ever made

  • @StuartMurchie
    @StuartMurchie 6 месяцев назад

    Put allan moffit in the car and see what happens

  • @leso204
    @leso204 Год назад

    Arm fulls of oversteer/understeer thats a workout racing those GTHO's ..............

  • @DoggyZworlD07
    @DoggyZworlD07 Год назад

    LoL except Ford is American, so it's an american muscle car LoL built in Australia LoL.

    • @MickH60
      @MickH60 11 месяцев назад

      No its not, It's designed, built and uniquely Australian....

  • @bugsy1254
    @bugsy1254 Год назад +1

    Yeah, not a great start and then a couple of drivers forgetting deciding that it wasn't a race but a game of blocking the guy behind. No so professional.

  • @scottschmidt75
    @scottschmidt75 4 года назад +1

    What's the orange #66 car? Kinda looks like a Dodge?

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  4 года назад +1

      That 66 car is exactly the same type that you're riding onboard with. It's our Australian 1971 Ford XY GT-HO Falcon, in fact its a replica of the 300 that were homologated for racing here back in the day.

  • @johncunningham4820
    @johncunningham4820 9 месяцев назад

    Muffed the Start badly . Oops .

  • @mattblack9344
    @mattblack9344 3 года назад +1

    Whats the hp and pound torque of these classic beasts.?Cheers, looks like fun. Go Aussie.

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  3 года назад +1

      I know this particular car makes around 550hp from its 351C. Not sure on torque though. Thanks for watching. 😊👍

    • @noname75737
      @noname75737 3 года назад

      @@GlennEverittMasterofMachines what was done to it to get those numbers?

  • @robertgow2026
    @robertgow2026 Год назад

    hahahahahahahahaha he not a good at it

  • @ericmeechglobalnetwork2273
    @ericmeechglobalnetwork2273 3 года назад +1

    rad.

  • @doonsiedoo9doonsiedoo984
    @doonsiedoo9doonsiedoo984 Год назад

    Isn't the 351 Cleveland an American motor?

    • @Wolfe351
      @Wolfe351 Год назад

      US design but was built at Ford's Aussie engine plant

  • @nickbotica5098
    @nickbotica5098 3 года назад +1

    mmmmmmmmm.
    mm perfection.

  • @paulllacey1344
    @paulllacey1344 Месяц назад

    Don't break, don't break🤞

  • @werahikoclay5586
    @werahikoclay5586 8 месяцев назад

    Awesome beat those yank tanks

  • @paulvincentyensonmusic
    @paulvincentyensonmusic 4 года назад +1

    Cool video dude!

  • @Stolencamaro
    @Stolencamaro Год назад

    How
    Many hp?

  • @iamthebroker
    @iamthebroker 4 года назад +1

    Does anyone know if the yellow Camaro is Adam Bressington?

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  4 года назад +1

      No, Adam is a friend of mine though. This car is a Group Nc example, raced here by Angelo Taranto.

    • @iamthebroker
      @iamthebroker 4 года назад +1

      Glenn Everitt - Master of Machines I also know Adam well👍🏻

    • @GlennEverittMasterofMachines
      @GlennEverittMasterofMachines  4 года назад +2

      iamthebroker , Adam’s an awesome guy and a great driver. I’m actually contracted to the naming rights sponsor of the TCM series as their event representative. It’s an awesome series.

  • @aspieotaku3580
    @aspieotaku3580 4 года назад +2

    Not bad. Im American BTW.

    • @mael-strom9707
      @mael-strom9707 4 года назад

      Thanks for all the fish... err V8's. 🤣😆😋

    • @aspieotaku3580
      @aspieotaku3580 4 года назад

      @@mael-strom9707 Fish are good too hehe.

  • @Tree30tree
    @Tree30tree 3 года назад

    Missed the start!! Get the big girl into second!!

  • @54Rocketeer
    @54Rocketeer 9 месяцев назад

    Amateur drivers

  • @josephwilliams1905
    @josephwilliams1905 Год назад

    Oi, Oi, Oi.

  • @arm_luvr1002
    @arm_luvr1002 4 года назад +1

    Great start lol

  • @rhettcorbett3346
    @rhettcorbett3346 2 года назад

    Aussie muscle all the way mate. Real men use the old school H patern. Ho Ho Ho & away we go. Ford Power. Aerodynamics of a brick. But friggen fast. Bring on Muscle Car Masters. This is what racing is about. Fishtailing, oversteer, understeer, bodyroll. Not these boring cars that look like they are on rails. .🥱🥱🥱.

    • @petersajkic6749
      @petersajkic6749 11 месяцев назад

      Ho's were top loader not h pattern

    • @rhettcorbett3346
      @rhettcorbett3346 11 месяцев назад

      @@petersajkic6749 Same thing.

    • @petersajkic6749
      @petersajkic6749 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@rhettcorbett3346I agree much more involved in driving old skool manuals than modern cars.and I understand your idea...but top loaders definitely different than h pattern manuals.driven both top loaders definitely takes some getting used too