I Tried Racing my Demon 170 Again and This Happened. So Frustrating!
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2024
- In this installment, I return to the quarter mile track in my 2023 Dodge Demon 170 to try different launch techniques to get a better 60 foot out of the car and hopefully set a new PR. Unfortunately, I continue to run into the same issues as when I raced the Tesla Model S Plaid. This car is an absolute handful. Watch as I try different 3 different launch techniques and give you my final thoughts.
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Crazy times we are living, when a 9 sec factory stock car is “disappointing” 😮
These run 8's multiple guys already ran 8's with these!
Yeah, but Dodge said it is a sub-9 car.
@@mypronouniswtf5559if so many things have to go right and try so hard for it to be an 8 second car then it’s not an 8 second car. It’s proven to be a consistent 9 second car though 😅.
A gutted interior and slicks and STILL almost a full second slower than advertised. 😂 EVs still dominating mopar's 'supercar' 😂
@@mypronouniswtf5559not stock they aren't.
You need beadlocks. Tire is possibly spinning around on the wheel. All you have to do to test this, is put a mark on the rear tires and on the wheels (a line) on both the wheel and tire, and if the line separates, then the tire is spinning on the wheel.
15 inch rims and thus, more tire profile hieght. Equiv to 70s..
Beadlocks lol no you don’t this ridiculous fad of guys with less than 2000 hp needing beadlocks is ridiculous
That was my thought as well. Maybe the wheel and tire combo from the factory isn't enough to handle that amount of power
@@eddiearchuleta615u sound like and absolute twit. U don’t need 2000 horsepower for beadlocks to be beneficial u absolute buffoon 😂 get urself together dude
I was spinning my tires on the wheel and thats just with a reg hellcat with just a lower so not even close to the HP this is putting down. I would get my dr's glued and that worked somewhat but for this kind of power, I would agree if your running less than 25 lbs then you may need to beadlocks
The fact the car runs consistent 9's spinning and not in the greatest conditions is wild. You'll figure it out!
I feel ur pain in my cat I do 0-60 at 4sec idk if that’s good or what
Yet a 40k dollar brand new gt mustang with a 10k dollar supercharger and drag tires will do the same let that sink in
@@eddiearchuleta615 you can also beat that with a 4G63 with 20lbs of boost or a Honda with a big ass turbo but a modded car will never be as reliable and comfortable as something like this
@@eddiearchuleta615 that combo is not only faster but 1/3 the price (or less) than that 170 farce.
@@rocknrolljesus3197It’s not faster
Thanks for the shout out Paul. Great to meet you and talk cars last week👍
Absolutely 👍.. good to meet you
Can’t wait for you guys to line up, hopefully in the near future.
@@speedracerjeffX better figure it out quick before the DA gets higher. Very small window left, especially in FL.
@@RacerX9 Your problem is you are not running enough tire pressure. I have a 2017 COPO Camaro, and I was having the same issue with trying to hook. I brought the tire pressure up to 23, I am also running a drag radial, and BAM! With a drag radial you do not want to tire to wrap up, the car has to DEAD HOOK.
I can't imagine how difficult it must be to launch a car with that amount of torque. Keep trying - you'll find what works. Just need to ignore all the 'arm chair' drag racers that think they know better 😂
For one it’s a heavy tank with 17s in the rear not ideal at all fox body and sn95 are running that with 450-500 rwhp
@@eddiearchuleta615how completely gutted looking like tin can ? I know Fox body is light but dam.
So true - paying over $140k plus substantial dealer markup for an under engineered tank that get spanked religiously by 4 door sedans that cost 50% of the 170.... Doesn't require an "arm chair" to see its a second slower than the 8.70s slopar advertised. 😂🤣
Only way an ugly fox runs 9.5 all motor is its totally stripped drag car only. Totally gutted and not a street car anymore but drag only. The 170 can be daily driven.
It's funny Mr. X is not having a good night, but still pulling 9's 😂 that Demon is a beast!!
Mark the tire and rim to make sure it's not spinning on the wheel
Ive learned anything with over 750ft lbs trq you gotta start look at bead locks especially for drag.
It’s the prep I’ve seen people with this car and wheels and get low 9s it’s just his track got to be
I Know 2 Big Ol Gals from St Louis called the Butt Sister ! 450 lbs a piece ! But them in the Rear where the Back seat outta and I guarantee ya It'll Hook ! 😂😂🔥🔥👍
What an amazing thing to get to complain about! I’d be looking at different tires for more traction.
Yeah it definitely needs different tires
He has ET Street R tires on it. Thats the best of the best as far as Drag radials go.
drag radials suck if youre trying to put down a number at the track.@@bluebomber697
The CF wheels are cool but you’re probably gonna need a wheel & tire setup maybe some beadlocks on MTs!
If i remember correctly he didn't go for the CF wheels. Think they're only good for shaving a few tenths off the time but its less rolling resistance and it'll spin more
Absolutely loved this video. Very informative, lots of hot runs with burn outs, and the car is an absolute beast !! 😃
You are doing great. Love all the coverage of the learning process.
Fastest vehicle i have ever driven had half the horsepower. 1979 Ford 475 cu.in. Pickup with a bored out, cammed and high rise intake with a huge holly on it and a race transmission. 12.5 quarter mile at 123 mph on slicks and in the real world you could punch it at 55 and smoke the tires and go sideways. It was frightening!
12’s is fast af in a car. I own sport bikes so I’ve experienced 9’s before but it feels so much faster in a car.
You need 15" slicks with studs to stop the tire spinning on the rim.
He should know this
15" rim might not clear the brakes
I'm enjoying the ride!!!! thank you!!!
Bad ass content. Love seeing this monster get down the track.
Ruffles have ridges, love those tires 👍
I think from your experience you know what you need to change and you mentioned it at the end of the video! Looking forward to more content buddy.
I'm kinda glad u gotta figure it out. You'll get it eventually. Just adds to the character of the car. Only few can handle the true power of the demon 😎😎
I think it's time to go into the "launch torque setup" tab and start building out some custom launch parameters. Obviously preset A and B are too aggressive unless the prep is ideal. C is clearly too soft. I'd start building out something in between B and C where it's fully ramped in by 1.0-1.2 seconds or something. It's pretty cool you could build out settings for virtually any track condition so it will make a clean pass.
Yeah my thoughts as well, only because I watched the episode of Leno’s garage where Kuniskis explains the custom torque parameter settings… 😊 pretty cool stuff.
Like your knowledge, didn't know that about that car,just so much power like I stated before, can't put it down all at once.
I agree 100%. I, along with a bunch of people commented this multiple times, but the guy would rather keep going out time after time blaming prep and one of the best prepped tracks.
Awesome content buddy 🙏👍💪
Fun to watch! Boy does that engine sound awesome! Maybe practice the trans brake a ton of times, get the sequence and timing into muscle memory. I’m sure you will get the time you are shooting for👍
A guy in Dodge K car ( front wheel drive) was running 10.3 @ 137mph about 28 years ago. 😂 Your car looks better though, and is a little faster.
That car was the Horizon Killer. He had a V6 motor. LOL
Man, I love my 2020 Dodge Charger Pursuit AWD 5.7L V8 with the W5A580 Transmission. With some mods, I am getting 415 HP and 425 Torque. With snow tires on I have taken on many 392's and have won on the race track. Since I took the limiter off, I can hit 173-175 MPH top speed. AWD is such a game changer.
Popping a wheelie in a car. NEVER gets old.
Thank you for this info an video.
G'afternoon from the high desert of the Southwest Idaho 🤠 . I'm a long time mechanic Gearhead and Motorsports Junkie & I absolutely agree with switching over to 15" rubber. Once you find a good tire and rubber compound in the car likes you'll have more sidewall to play with & if you were to add a good set of wheelie bars so you could really plant them I think it would make a helluva difference 🤓 .
How is the stock factory suspension,any racing components,front and rear, adjustable racing shocks,four link rear traction setup,front to rear frame connector s, monster torque on a factory cheap setup,lots of flexing!!!
Seat time is always key. Some 15s will help also test and tune nights prep is never the best but its just a learning curve you'll get it 😉
Test n Tunes allow street tires & that kills traction! Private rentals are the best besides an Event. I've been following quite a few of 170 owner's. All of them say the Torque management is very tricky to use. The amount of Torque at the launch is incredible & most have to take power out. Track Prep is a must to get these car's into the 1.2 60ft area. Knowledge is key & keep practicing & you'll get there. 💪🏼👍😉
I feel the frustration. I'm trying to learn how to launch a manual transmission car but I'm about .5 and 3-4mph off from where other, similarly configured, cars are. Doesn't help I burned the clutch pretty badly on one run and maybe damaged the throwout bearing in the process.
Anyway. Keep trying, keep learning. Meanwhile I'm pricing out a better clutch for my Vette...
It's sometimes a case of less, is more. They can put insane power in there, but if it can't hook up, it really doesn't matter. Seeing how hard it is to manage on a prepped surface, I can't imagine how hard it is to manage on the street on a cool fall day...
I’ll be watching. Keep it up. Your Canadian twin. lol.
Can you change anything on the suspension to allow more wait transfer to the rear? Im no one i never even had a rear wheel muscle car i drive a Hyundai Kona N which is quick as front wheel drive so maybe i have no idea what im saying. Im just trying to think of something that will help but you may of thought of that already.
I also suspect the prep is not great either. How were the other cars doing with regard to spinning? I am still trying to get a faster time out of my Hellcat (Whipple) and get so frustrated at what I am doing wrong. I am going to try some 17inch beadlocks and MT's to see what happens (I went with 17's as I did not want to mess around with the rear brakes. Car is a 2015 Hellcat Challenger.
with a 15 inch tire i bet you will hook a lil better. u need insane track prep and near perfect conditions for that car to run high 8s
That’s our buddy’s RT with the hellcat blower! My hubby helped him work on some parts. Lot of hours and busted knuckles went into that lol I hope you did catch up with him! He’s an awesome guy
Looks like you’re getting some suspension deflection. The Rear tire looks like it moves forward in the wheel well right before it spins.
Racerx.... I noticed you didn't have the chiller system activated.... is that a track rule?
This is what owning a factory track car is about. Tune, tune, hair pulling, and more tune!
Maybe not the results you wanted but still looked like a hell of a ride. Enjoy. Thanks for the video.
Hey RacerX I saw you were trying low RPM launches but some suspensions require a hard high RPM launch to make axle torque help plant the tire! I don’t know how well that suspension is set up but if it’s any good you should have to leave harder to get it to work properly! Or back half that car and it will hook on the street!! Good luck sir I’m really hoping you get a solid run out of that car soon!!!
So what are Dodge tech drivers using to get these numbers their claiming? Thx Racer X.
Yes 15” tire / Rim conversion and wider socks on the rear end. 🏎️
Motor sounds beautiful… it’s just gonna take time to figure on how to launch… little taller tire maybe.. just a beautiful car.. again, good luck 🍀..👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎
Another awesome video. I think it's the tires though
You should try a pure racing slick with a beadlock. The track prep you can't do anything about. I used to have a 69 camaro -800 hp, rossler tranny-transbrake-Coan converter. I launched the car at 4500 rpm on the transbrake and I could run 9.10's all day. This was on a track I knew they were too cheap to put the traction compound down.
I cant understand the logic of an off idle hit resulting in spin to then let's try more rpm and hope it sticks. Is the torque management available all the time or just off the brake?
You'll get it down bud. Totally understand that the Demon 170 is a handful. Perhapse that 15" conversion will make things a bit more compliant. I can't get really excited about Plaids doing consistent runs all day long as it doesn't require any skill. The Demon 170 demands a lot from A driver. Watching a driver have the skill to tame that beast is more exciting to see than a boring 'ol Plaid running consistently with absolutely no skill required. Great video, bud!
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You still did amazing work for a non-prep track. Goodness I wish the Demon 170 was all whee drive. It's all good brother.
Wow such a beastly car.
So the Tires wrinkle, no Biggie
Always ask around for Tire Pressure etc , the Front End isn't coming up enough either, does it have Adjustment?
newbie here.... better tires?...more stick... prodragster tech?... will the 170s computer setup adjust to a more prorace configuration?
based on our Comp racing....when you start seeing wrinkles in the sidewall, add air pressure. Also, look into a way to bolt extra weight above the rear axel.
I have a 22 Challenger RT. Love it as a daily, and I've always wanted to take it to a track just for fun. Watching this video makes me realize I have no clue what any of these racing terms mean! And I know my RT doesn't have all the options you have. I'll learn eventually I suppose!
Paul I wonder if you should consider a different drag race tire? For sure that thing is off the chain from the hit brother!!
tires and axle ratio is a true sandbag
You might want to check with your dealership if you're going with different Slicks regarding your factory warranty. Braking parts like axles, rear-end or drive shaft when using the car at the dragstrip especially with larger Slicks could void your warranty. My thought is Dodge uses this size of slick to reduce this from happening
It looks like you were at Bradenton last Thursday. I spun three times doing my usual thing, so maybe the track wasn't as good as it usually is. Humidity was a bit high.
I was at the track last weekend watching John force in the NHRA guys running last week. It’s a nice track came down from Maryland.😊😊
Why do I like this racer x guy? Just seems like the coolest neighbor
Looking at your video in slow motion at the launch,your driver side wheel want is to move forward meaning your rear housing not staying straight. Your need more rear suspension parts double adjustable rear shock ,rear poly bushing ect…. Dam that lower torque is gone maybe brake 😎💪👍something. I agree on a prep track no problem
This is Carl Rossler When I first raced my 2018 demon. The suspension was very lame like it was a stock challenger. I couldn't get it to hook or 60 foot.
I Discovered that I wasn't Activating the drag mode. I Add it in high horse power but not drag. Mode, and was lame. It wouldn't transfer weight. I also have a 170 but I live in Ohio. And it's 2 snowy to use.
Hope you get out there soon Carl
I'm confident that you will perfect your launch, if you don't give up.
so im talking out of my butt here but what if you added weight in the truck instead of taking out the interior? would that keep the rear wheels down for better traction or would the weight just kill the potential run times...A part of me feels like you can get a better run with a car full of friends than alone spinning but what do I know lol
I could try sandbags in the rear .. but I hate adding weight to the car! Hope you are doing well
@RacerX9 I told you a few months back that my Scat set better times with 300 pounds of tools in my trunk. Unfortunately it was totaled in January. Trust in the power to make up for the weight with better traction.
I'm also curious about this, definitely test this out with different weight placements in the trunk
@@RacerX9 Thanks hope your doing well too, and yes I know light means fast lol you just have so much power it cant use it all, best of luck figuring it out...
@@RacerX9it’s got got plenty of power adding weight isn’t going to appreciably slow it down but the weight will settle down that rear axle to connect the power to dig and launch. Stick the seats back in and add some sand bag tubes right along the back of the seat in the trunk over the rear axle 💪💪
GM guy here.. Maybe reach out to Dodge & see if you can find out what PSI They were running their tires both front and back & what rpm they launched from.. We know track prep is also huge and besides, you're in hot humid florida ship the car to me 😁 I'm in Wisconsin I'll get that 8.9 quarter mile your seeking lol
Honestly before you do a 15" conversion, I'd consider different tire compounds. I know they come with Mikey SS's but that is more of a street radial then a drag tire.
Just my worthless.02
I used to race superbikes (track racing). I have a 22' Challenger SP with minimal mods; currently I'm focusing on traction and handling - and I'm applying what learned with bikes and applying it to cars. I know, different worlds. To start - my suggestion is research tires - especially pertaining to the side wall/construction. That's A LOT of power you are putting down. When you are deflating, of course you are introducing more flex in the side walls (have to figure out what pressure works with whatever x,y,z, tire). Only my thoughts. God speed. Oh, one more thing - you might want to explore rear suspension tuning/config as well. Just remember your rear suspension tuning needs to correlate with your rear tire configuration - they have to work together. You probably know this stuff, only trying to help.
Thank you for the super chat my friend... I only saw the first one you sent and missed the second one. Yes tire pressure varies depending on prep as well and what type of prep. More VHT will typically allow you to run more pressure which means better trap speeds. Definitely still a work in progress but I am starting to dial it in. I appreciate your support buddy
Have you tried adding weight in the rear to give it more down pressure? Maybe try it with all the seats in it?
I’ve seen the Plaid run some rolling starts, have you did that?
Everyone goes through some growing pains when they get a new car. Once you start to get dailed in you'll be ripping it up on the track. Ignore the negativity and stay focused 💪
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I used the slap automatic and quickly got through gears 1&2. On my scat though lol
If TF And NHRA Factory auper stock can stick. Im sure we can figure this out. Could you dial it in w a team ? Obviously we know your knowledgeable on track however i figure maybe reaching out to @ redeye racing and others running similar power would have something to figure it out. Idk just a thought. Ik dragpaks have 1xxx hp and i done seen those an copo camaros fly. So ik its possible w a few tricks
Try launching at higher rpm ,just let leave ,let it transfer the weight then roll into it . Then figure out out much to let go before you can put down.
Just so much power without more suspension upgrades going to be hard to put it down all at once.
Man the 170 has a ton of power but it cant put it down.
I do low 10s in my F90 with 700hp consistently on ever pass.. Hope you get it set up properly
The Germans have always been able to make great cars that can put it down
You think the technology they put in this car and how much it cost? dodge should have put bead locks and MT slicks
What’s the numbers looking like on the track?
my et street R's in the same size 60ft the best at 15psi Hot. Dont be afraid to lower the pressure. the lower the psi the softer the sidewall is it will absorb the hit better and give a bigger contact patch.
The Demon folds the tire and the car unloads at anything under 18psi in my experience! 15 psi won’t work unfortunately
@@RacerX9 The et street R has a special construction sidewall so it can run lower pressure. I had the same issue your having. My s550 has instant torque and hits super hard down low. Check Mickey Thompson website recommended pressure is 14-18psi. Start at 18psi hot and work your way down. These tires are very stable even at lower pressure. Good luck 👍
Well that's the age old problem, with high horsepower, high torque monster getting it to hook is always
the most difficult part. Better track conditions, better tire combination, and more seat time behind the
wheel, you will get better knowing what the car likes.
Whats quarter mile time for your TT mustang and what's mustang dyno?
Come out this weekend for street car takeover, prep should be really good. Cletus is racing along with a bunch of others
You problem is you are not running enough tire pressure. I have a 2017 COPO Camaro, and I was having the same issue with trying to hook. I brought the tire pressure up to 23, I am also running a drag radial, and BAM! With a drag radial you do not want to tire to wrap up, the car has to DEAD HOOK.
Cant wait to I win my demon 170 🤘🏾🔥🔥
Wish they had a real trans brake. 15” conversion should definitely help though 💪🏻
what is that hole in the front bumper?
Has anyone put some race slicks on one with bead locks? I would have to think they would be better than running DOT tires. Makes track days a little harder but it would be nice to see one running at its full potential.
It all boils down to seat time, most people don't have the ability, time or funds to get hours of testing. The more runs you get,so you can learn the car itself and weather/track conditions doesn't happen overnight.
I would love to see you throw some belak wheels on it. 15 in the back and a real skinny up front. Along with some AAD suspension.
what is this "torque reserve on the foot break" you talk of?
Yup, That is what I thought, Better slicks!
This car is a monster
You need set tire pressure to 16.5-16.8 that way after your burn out you are about 18-18.5
You going to blow the tires off otherwise
Launch about 1100rpm
Does anyone know just how hard one has to press the brake pedal to get the trans brake to work? Mine never actuates on my scat.
Once it’s dialed in, will it beat the Plaid??
You have to have the moon and the stars lined up (like Dodge did) to get the car to go 8's.
After removing the seats you should remove the doors and trunk lid. Then sand the paint and primer off the car like I did to my hellcat.. and you will pick up another another 3 10ths ! 👍
What was the DA? 15" conversion would be sweet! Until then, I wonder if the 315 55 17 would fit? Has just about as much sidewall as a 15
Around 1500 I believe
@@RacerX9oh man, not great but not terrible for Florida. Closer to 0 DA would get you 147-150mph
Mickey Thompson recommends 17 psi at the track. Can you turn down the cars power from the launch and add it up top?
Yes that’s what I did on the last hit but the car was slow .. 9.7 by demon 170 standards is not great
What exactly does car dyno and what's it weigh?
Get a set of bead locks bet that tire is rotating on the rim a good inch per launch. If your spinning at that track somethings wrong there prep is on point always 12 to 15 psi cold is where guys run ends up being 18 23 after warm
Just curious. Maybe try a different brand tire? Just to see?