I put my Demon 170 on the Dyno.. How much Power?
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- Join RacerX in this exciting video as he tests the power of the Demon 170 on a dyno! Watch as he takes you behind the scenes at Jordan Performance and Racing to see just how much horsepower this beast makes to the tires. Will it live up to Dodge's claims of 1025 crank horsepower? Subscribe now to find out!
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So I have heard some people are saying that the demon 170 has been under rated for insurance reasons. I'm betting it has closer to 1100
Certainly more than advertised
Sounds like dodge did the numbers game like they did the old schools. Marked it for less when it really could potentially be making more than that.
What does an insurance company care between 1025 and 1100? lol
@@mik3ymomo you'd be surprised.
@@FWTE1969I insured 5 cars in my collection and they base the rate off the cars values. They don’t care at all how much the cars make for power. It’s all about replacement value. Now these are limited use policies and not daily driven cars but I recently got a quote on a new Huracan EVO and the rate wasn’t outrageous at all either with no mileage restrictions at all. I think the whole claim about insurance rates and HP was from a bygone era in the 1960’s and possibly 70’s.
Just to be clear - it doesn't matter what gear your in when you calculate horsepower. If your in a lower gear - you get more torque, but less rpm. The equation is HP = Torque x rpm /5250. What 1:1 gives you is less LOSS in the transmission because the trans is more efficient in 1:1 (and converter locked!)
I was a bit surprise when I heard the dyno operator said what he said. Also, I find, typically, that dynojets offer higher HP numbers than Mustang dynos.
@@Concern_Citizen Absolutely. Mustang dynos calculate by far the lowest HP output of all the mass produced dynos available. I've seen many instances where there was a 10%+ difference between a Mustang and a Dynojet.
Actually there is pretty much no difference in transmission losses between gears over the range of ratios most cars use. The myth that 1:1 is better came from older manual transmissions where the 1:1 gear wasn't a gear at all. A sleeve simply connected the input and output shafts in that "gear". Thus there were no gear mesh losses. But when you have teeth meshing, whether its in a 1:1, 1.3:1 or 0.8:1 gear the losses are pretty much the same. The difference in measured output in different gears often comes from the inertial loss changes in the driveline due to differing acceleration rates.
@@KZ-se4ik - You said a lot... it's an age-old argument. These were arguments we had in my mechanical engineering classes back in the mid-to-late 70s.
I'll attempt to go through your explanation... first, I'm not sure what you mean by "transmission losses between gears over the range of ratios...” It’s a matter of physics that rotational inertia consumes energy that will produce measured differences. As it relates to automobile’s gear ratio impact on horsepower loss, it’s all relative. As horsepower is the measurement of work over time, and gear ratios affect the speed of the output, there obviously would be differences measured.
However, there are other factors that would affect the results. How impactful are those differences, I guess, depends on the message. But I don’t think it’s safe to say there no difference in measured power loss (I’m assuming your term “transmission losses” equal power loss) between or across gears.
I’ll agree, relatively speaking, the measured differences may be minimal, but no non-existent. Just my two cents.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
I've tested different gear pulls on a few vehicles on my own MD-250 mustang dyno. Any time I'm not in direct drive, I lose power. This is with inputting the correct parameters and testing ratios. Automatics have more moving parts/drag when you are not in direct drive, just as a manual is. In my big block cuda with a 727, its a hefty difference between a 2nd gear and 3rd gear pull, even with changing all the appropriate ratios so that the software calculates correctly. On a separate example, tires, we had a 60whp difference on a 500" big block cuda going from 10psi in his drag radials to 25psi. Any drag or load whatsoever will effect your results. Having more parts moving in the transmission is no exception.
Man the way that front end lifts when he hits it. Wow.
I really like your videos, 14 minutes and there was no downtime, very informative all the way 👌🏽 once again congrats on your car!
First dyno video I've seen of the 170 !
Glad to see you back in a dodge X and thank you for the vids and allowing us to see that beast in action.
That is just what I wanted to see what a beast can only get better with modification, I have a hellcat and it’s scary. Can only imagine what you have. Congratulations.
Why modify? Dodge knew what they were doing. Already badass. Leave it alone
@@charlesmyers9765 shade tree mechanics know more than engineers, duh.
@@sktona So you're saying mods don't make power?
@@greebuh most mods don’t do anything on regular engines. And this one’s optimized, you’re not bolting anything on that makes a realistic increase in power. Other than nitrous.
@@sktona so you think going full bolt on does nothing... 👍
Awesome🎉 Impressive on the dyno. Thank you RacerX for this great video 😊
Definitely a beast from the factory. Just really hard to obtain for a average person. But it’s definitely a special vehicle.
It’s a status symbol really for the price
@@jakefox3677 Yeah pricing is ridiculous.
PEOPLE PAY OVER 100K FOR A PUSSTANG...
This Demon sofar is performing alot easier than the OG 18 Demon. All functions work alot easier. Impressive Dyno numbers forsure. I hope you get used to the Torque management real quick as others have got the 170 in the 1.2second 60ft area. This is going to be an entirely different animal compared to your Black charger. Sweet video & looking forward to more videos of your 170🙌🤟
Don't let that power get away from you
That Demon is a Beast. Congrats RacerX.
Love it, wow very impressive! Can't wait to see when you get it on the track! 💯
Thank You X...that was fun...I have been following you since the beginning...nice work such dedication..good for you...I have a 2019 Redeye been parked since Dec 22...lots of upgrades for safety and breathing etc...plus tune...it will be interesting to see what she can do on a dyno...once the work is done! Wishing you all the best! From Canada
That is totally freaking awesome, congrats bud, you have a ultimate street beast, very impressive/mind
blowing numbers for a production car. Congrats Racer X.
That is absolutely insane mate!! Can't wait to see it at the track!! Love your videos!
Wow thats impressive...the guy doing the dyno is absolutely knowledgeable....great video as always 🔥
Very impressive! The tuners smile said it all 😮
Excellent! What an amazing car. I think many of us agree we are glad you are sharing this with us.
That's damn impressive!! I would love to be in that car going through the quarter mile! Wow 😍
As always, congratulations. Great content
For the car to sound like this from a video is amazing. In person I bet this sounds phenomenal
It definitely does 👍
Great Video, Very informative and interesting content. It sounds to me like you will have a lot of fun with this beast at the track.
Enjoy it and we will definitely enjoy your videos.
i love the joy in ur voice...u r so blessed...love ur car...stay safe
this is exciting forsho. keep dropping bangers🔥🔥🔥
Justin is a good dude. You picked the right place. He has done some work on my Mustang.
Hot damn! For being stock, that is INSANE! Nobody does crazy stuff like this, quite like Dodge!
Congrats buddy! 🎉🎉
Thanks buddy
In the motorcycle world,that would be Kawasaki with their H2R!
Chrysler is owned by Stellantis which is a French company. Nothing made today by them is remotely American. Look at the jeep renegade. The door placard will say its made in Italy. The Fiat 124 Spyder... its just a ND Mazda miata with a fiat body & drive train with rotary shaped headlamps!😂
This doesn't just apply to Stellantis.... Hardly anything is made in America these days... It's either from China or elsewhere. That's how it is in this day and age. Love it or leave it.@@---zq1cz
It’s technically a modified hellcat, so it’s not really stock, it’s pushing more boost.
Insane content! Thanks for sharing
bow down to the Demon 170 !! Great numbers sir !
Awesome content. Can't wait to see the some track time💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Great video and man that’s power out the box. Crazy fun
Wow. Congratulations. I am so happy for you. Armando from Texas!!!!
Great video, Congrats on getting this beast!
Love the content RacerX Thank you!
Thank you my friend
So cool to hear the excitement in your voice.. like a kid in a candy store congratulations buddy it’s good to see you so Happy
Wow…. Real HP… unbelievable. RACERX👊 were you guys using the chiller while it was on the Dyno? Also try ignite fuel when you race the Plaid! That is a true 85% ethanol. You’ll get all the beans….What an awesome upload man super excited to see this car in action. Truly impressed Mr. X.
Very impressive numbers RacerX. Such a bad ass car!
Congrats man!
I can't wait to see everybody starting to set records with this car and then you beating them. That will be great entertainment. Great video as always thanks Racer X
An G80 M3 recently broke its record, actually.
Congratulations again RacerX!
I’m so freaking impressed with your car… my face is starting to hurt from smiling ☺️… I think this is best car you can ever own… So nice 👍🏻… 👍🏻😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Congrats RacerX
wow.. this gonna be some sick content folks.. some very nice numbers! 👊🏼💯
Awesome video. I’m truly impressed with the numbers.
been waiting for this for a while man only gonna be watching you for a demon 170 can’t wait to see you at the strip after a full break in!
Definitely loving the sound of the supercharger!
Awesome ur gonna have some great content for sure ❤
Nice!! I heard that the Demons and DC170s are speed limited because the drag radials won't safely handle more than 165mph. Most cars wouldn't hit that in the 1/4 anyway. Take the governor off and they will hit 205mph given enough runway.
Good job mr X your excitement is back yea yea
The sound is awesome
Just finished the other video and this one pops up 😂😂. Nice!
It's absolutely AMAZING that EVERYONE's dyno is stingy/tight/reads low/etc. Cool car!!
Yep, every time something don't make what they want it's the dyno reads low. Either way 900+ is crazy for a stock car.
Congrats sir !! That’s a heck of a car .
Wow! This car is insane! Great video and thanks for doing this! 👍👍
Thanks buddy
Proper dyno video with sae correction factor and uncorrected! Awesome!
It would have made more since if the cut was at 168mph nor 150 because of the speed rating of the tires. Congratulations cant wait to see it on rhe track.
Awesome content buddy 🙏👍💪
Awesome!! Love it!! Mopar Rules!! Miss my 2018 challenger hellcat which I sold last year for what I almost paid for it.
That's an awesome and impressive result.
WOW. AWESOME DEAL
Nice numbers. Remember X that there are more folks who are going to talk bad about the 170. They have their reasons. Not good reasons but their reasons. I like the fact that this is the ultimate Muscle Car and it does not pretend to be anything different. This is in a better category than my 70 GTX 440-6. It was just one of the street bruisers that stalked the streets in the 70s. Along with the 426 Hemi, 454 LS6, 427 Ford and a host of 455s . But this Demon 170 stands alone. Will it be beaten on the strip? Sure. But that’s always a drivers race to win or lose. Thanks for the video and before the haters come in and correct me on anything. Read carefully what I said. Emphasis on Muscle Car. Not sports car or sedan or all wheel drive electric machines. Just plain old all American Muscle Car.
I can see that demon puts a smile on your face awesome numbers congratulations on a awesome ride
Wow! Amazing! It’s badass X!
I’d call that 1100hp.. Amazing!!
That is fantastic numbers right out of the box
Again, it's good to under rate so customers won't be disappointed! Great video.
Unreal! Congrats, X! I think the PCM is speed limited to 150mph by design (as on the 1320). You'll likely never see the car trap above 150, but it might get close and it would be nice to have a bit of cushion. (PS please fix the weatherstrip center of the opening where it meets the headliner, thanks)
A couple 170s have already gone 151mph. The one that ran 8.89 went over 150.
Ron Silva’s 8.9 second pass was 150mph and change.
The 1320 scat isn't limited to 150. I know there is a destroyer grey 19, sitting in my driveway. Governor is set at 170.
@@karlhopkins713I’ve been to 171 in a 392
Very interesting, & your friend is very knowledgeable & professional with his dyno specs, need to keep this place in mine, being down the I-4 corridor from me, but Gr8 video!!!! 🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁
Justin is a good dude. He has done work on my Mustang.
@@freedom6919741 Got the 2023 Scat Pack, F8 Green Swing in the garage, still trying to figure out if I want to keep it or use it, the keep is winning & I've been in the autoparts biz my most of my life, Had Trans Ams & Formula 350 back in the ole days, but I have 450 miles on this sled pages haven't opened yet & the car is growing on me & @ 65 retired, been thinking about creating a sleeper, Central Flo hasn't seen in a while!!!! Not sure if I want to go with a super charge, don't wanna lose the Shaker, just a 6.4 build with cams, pistons, & want to keep the exhaust polite, mid muff delete & headers, but keeping the vacuum tail tips, if ya know what I'm saying. etc, etc!! I'll have to stop by this place, have a freon biz partner in Tampa & say hello!! Thanks for the reply!
Also I’ll say this - seeing Racer-X back in a high horsepower Dodge is like seeing a grande reunion. They were made for each other.
That thing is awesome hats of to dodge on that one for sure that’s a hot rod for sure congrats brother u got a nice car
When you started driving a Mustang, I quit following you. Now, seeing this... I resubscribed.
Enjoyed the video.
This car is just impressive all the way around. Could you put up the numbers from your Charger for comparison? Can't wait to hear your thoughts after the first couple of runs down the strip. :)
Your vids are always interesting to watch, but they're always better when your in the seat of a beast.
Can't wait to see you smoke everyone at the track. Last night I met some guy who had a ZL1 that he put in the shop to do over a 1,000 hp and I sht you not, that thing literally spit flames.
But we got on the highway and that car made my 2022 Dodge Challenger 392 R/T Scat Pack look like it was only a 4cyl haha.
Beyond impressive!
Frankie’s SRT in Germany 🇩🇪. You are back in the family brother!!!❤️
Great content videos.💯
This is one bad ass Hot rod 🔥🔥🔥🔥enjoy it my friend 🙏
Nice car X👍. Fun to see and hear her🇺🇸🚘
The demon 170 is the megalodon of the Mopar Family. NICE CAR💪🏿
I think I'll be a Race X fan for life.
Hey X.
Fantastic machine!!
Is it possible that the car cut the power due to the speed rating for the MT drag radial tires?? 🤔
That was amazing.
Glad to find your channel. I met you at the dealership, I have the ZL1. Great dyno run.
Thanks buddy.. I was great to meet you 👍
Wow, what a beast!
Love the round 1 fight
That car sounds so good
That whine is sweet music 😍😍
That is Awesome!!!!
Cars these days don't lose but about 10-12%. Hellcats, red eyes, mustang gt's, GT500's, etc. None lose 15%. That rule of thumb was made back when transmissions weren't as efficient as today. These cars aren't underrated when using more realistic drivetrain loss.
My 3 cars I have owned that have been on dyno for mods and these were the baselines: 18 Mustang GT Auto 10spd, 394wheel, rated 460crank, 19 Challenger Redeye 8spd Auto, 702whp, rated 797crank, 22 Camaro SS 1LE Manual, 422wheel, rated 455crank.. All 3 done on the same dyno, SAE Smoothing 5..
Beast!!💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Dude, 1054 crank is more than Dodge stated. Now you can mod it! Pretty neat that Bradley got his Demon recently too. Quite surprised it came black. I dont remember him saying that that was the color he had gotten. Congrats X!
Over 1000hp and the first thing ppl say is " now you can mod it" NO! It was designed to handle this power level. Leave it the hell ALONE!!
@@charlesmyers9765 He can make his own choices. But the mods I consider is a pulley swap and retune. Because the pulley is sized based on the limits of 93. Plus Im sure the thing can handle another 200. Im not suggesting body cutting and suspension mods. But maybe i shouldve said tuning.
Based on the official trap speed of 151 mph in the 8.91 run and the stated weight of 4275, crank hp is ~1134. Using 15% for drivetrain loss that would be ~963 at the wheel. Definitely underrated.
Agree! Hennessy dyno video was right in that ballpark at 924
rwd drivetrain loss is only 10% tho
@@blazesmooth5573 Dodge and Chrysler Lx platforms have not been known for efficient drive systems. The original Hemis with the German NAG1 5-speed were at best 15% (actually calculated to 17.1%). My 300s had the 5.7 rated at 340hp and put down 292 at the wheels. The SRT was rated at 470 and put down 417. Neither generation would achieve the efficiency of 10% loss…too much weight and too many moving parts.
Keep in mind the supercharger alone pulls over 100 HP out of the performance measures just to spin the system for boost.
@@blazesmooth5573big automatic trans probably over 15%
you are not getting 10% loss. Come on really @@blazesmooth5573
Congrats! Enjoy the ride.
The plaid taillights are waiting for you 😉
We will see tomorrow
1100!!!
Insane Power!!!
Racer X, pretty impressive. Let me know if you plan on going agian. I will let you use my WB street tires for a couple of pulls to see if that number improves. I am local!!
First, I'm very happy for you. The 170 is everything AND MORE! I do have some questions. With all your racing, have you ever blew up a Dodge differential? If not, what do you attribute it to? If you have, what have you done to deal with it. I assume this differential has been beefed up. How?
What was your oil pressure on your third pull? When very hot, what is your oil pressure at idle? Did Dodge put like a rev limiter in sixth gear or a governor? Love the channel.
I can't conceive you have twice the horsepower as my T/A 6.4. At 69, your 170 would probably give me a heart attack. Again, very happy for you and your sharing of your 170. I want more videos.
Love the power and congratulations Dodge But man this car is a butterFace
I’m 63 and a gear head. In the 80’s one of my best cars was a 1972 Lincoln Town Coupe. Had a built 460. It did low Ten’s in the Quarter mile. Loved her.As a street racer with that type of car weighing that much racers were intimidated. What is sad is that I was coming back from Detroit from a night of racing on I696 and was on the expressway and hit 6 deer. The car was totaled. She was beautiful. Had other cars before and after her. My 1972 Torino had a built by Holbrook Enterprises. Now my last hoorah in life is a 1957 300 Custom that will have approximately 2100hp. Looking forward to racing HellCats and others. Just be safe out there
That’s awesome. Once you make a few passes at the drag strip, I would like your thoughts on the Demon vs your previous 1,000 hp hellcat 😁.
For sure.. I think this will be the faster car
@@RacerX9 if its an automatic how did he keep it in 5th gear on his first run and then put it in 6th gear in his second run?
You just paddle shift it manually
@@RacerX9 its an auto with paddle shifters that you can manually shift? I never had paddle shifters. Thanks
Wow!! Impressive
Very impressive!
Did you ever have your old Hellcat on that Dyno? Just curious what those numbers were. Also was the charger 1000 RWHP or was that 1000 crank HP. Love your 170 BTW. THANKS