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@@rage_2000 If you press two jump buttons at the same time you will auto short hop. Setting a shoulder button to jump makes this easy for me but some people just like to press two pad buttons at the same time. .
@@itsbruh5270 broken fingers?? Playing claw does not break your fingers. I'll agree it took a while to get used to, but it turns out _really_ useful for things like this and cuts out a lot of unneeded movement.
I just tested it in training. You can press C-stick (CS) and jump at the same frame, press CS, then jump 1 frame after, or 2 frames after. So, for the most lenient example Frame 1, CS frame 2, CS Frame 3, CS+jump And if you press jump in the other 2 frames, it works. If its, Frame 1 jump Frame 2 jump+CS (or any frame after 1) Youll back air the wrong way. You basically performed a regular B-air If its Frame 1 CS ... Frame 4 jump Then the jump is too late, and a Fair will input. Note: this was tested with joker, but i believe its universal. So it really is IMMEDIATELY after, or same exact time, which will take some practice. I kept either jumping first or too late. Mad frustrating...
Malique Hyde im not a smash expert but it looks like yes, if its done on frame 1-3 then its fine, you can press both at the same time, its just really fast and can be hard to get
@@deadproject8548 lmao what. I was just explaining the order and why it might not come out right, brudda. Essentially, do it in the right order, and super quick. Oh, and git gud 😂
When you gotta stay on smash attacks because up smashing with Ganon gotta be in one separate input from up tilt. Fr tho I can't risk up tilting because I'll just fucking die
dunno if you will read this since its been 2 years, but you can adjust stick sensitivity so you can up smash more consistently while still having c stick on tilt attack.
I just wanted to say this videos quality is excellent. Very well explained, good pacing, music is fitting and not overpowering, and was just overall pleasant to watch. Thanks.
Lol this is so crazy. I e been doing this on accident thinking my controller was broken. But i discovered a new tech for smash 5 and didnt know it lol smh
Bro you're lying.This normally needs the jump on the ZL or ZR or either Z or R triggers.And it needs to be c stick 2nd to the left stick and the jump last.Doubt you would've know this without any video
The method you use to imitate a rar is actually not an attack cancel, it‘s an IRAR. The input is almost identical but at not point are you ever canceling an attack (you can even clearly see so in the slow motion clip you used)
Pressing jump before c stick. I just tested it in training. You can press C-S and jump at the same frame, press CS and jump 1 frame after, or 2 frames after. So, for the most lenient example Frame 1, CS frame 2, CS Frame 3, CS+jump And if you press jump in the other 2 frames, it works. If its, Frame 1 jump Frame 2 jump+CS Youll back air the wrong way. If its Frame 1 CS ... Frame 4 jump Then the jump is too late, and a Fair will input.
I swear I learned how to do this when the game came out and forgot it existed, no wonder I couldn't figure out roy and chrom, as well as meta knight turn around dair and up air.
bruh... it only took me 20 minutes to learn the back air, and I didn't want it because I though it was too much trouble. Thanks! (although I can hardly do the first cancel idk why)
I think a problem has risen. I am trying to do Falcon’s D-Throw to B-Air yet it does B-Air in the opposite direction. So ai try to mix it with a RAR, and while it’s possible, it is SO difficult to input. Is there anyway I can have it to be easier for me to do this?
Cool videos! Would like more things like this. There are various topics about Smash that some people don't know but are important, like the basic notions about frame data, terminology, wavebouncing, whiffs, Z drop aerials, and others. Would love to see videos about that!
Guys, I'm french and I heard the word momentum a lot in smash channels, but I'm not sure to fully understand it. Could someone quickly explain to me what it means please ?
Momentum can mean the property of the speed an object moves, simply. If you throw a ball, it soars through the air due to its momentum, and when it hits the ground it bounces. In smash, if you’re running, and you jump, you will move forward in the air due to your momentum.
On pourrait traduire ça par l'élan genre forward momentum c'est tu cours vers l'avant donc t'as de l'élan vers l'avant et quand tu sautes tu garde un peu d'élan qui fait que ton saut avance même si tu touches plus à ta manette
Does a lot of fox’s true combos need attack canceling ? I just picked this game up and having a real hard time with it. I didn’t play smash 4 I use to play melee so I picked up fox but it feels like his combos in this game are lack luster compared to others. But the clips I see people do true combos with fox but when I put in the exact inputs that were done it’s still not true combo even when I do it as fast as it looks in the videos or clips I see. For example Nair upsmash at 95% is true combo for fox and should kill, sometimes I hit it fast enough but most the time when I hit the nair and run towards them for the upsmash they DI instantly. Someone please help me with this. I can’t do a true combo to save my damn life and it’s so frustrating.
Attack cancelling is vital in foxs Combo Game especially after dtilt. He is quite technical in that regard. When it comes to Nair upsmash it's only true as a killconfirm from (character dependant ofc) around 90-120%. You have to fast fall the nair for it to combo.
@@Treantz Search for the official Fox discord for ultimate on google. Via smascords dot com. There are enumerated character Discords. Anything else can be given you there if you ask nicely and specifically what you want.
Using one of the shoulder buttons is easiest for me. I shield with only L and have R set to jump specifically for AC'ing. If I want to jump normally I use the default Y
you don't need to be able to short hop with shoulder buttons. when you execute the inputs properly, it does a short hop aerial because it's based off the short hop attack macro.
@@peanutbutterpikachu yeah so I was asking if any of those moves come out before frame 3 so you can potentially combo it into another move with attack cancel
I noticed that sometimes, while holding the control stick in the correct direction, I still manage to do the backair the wrong way Can someone help me out?
@@Sogoussb ah ok, so I should first input tilt attack and then jump? Not at the same time then? Or do you mean I should first dash a bit and then input the rest?
@@TodouIota move your tilt stick opposite of the direction you want to go, RIGHT after, move your control stick in the direction you want to go and jump at the same time
That turn around back air can be done much easier... When dashing/running you can hold the left stick the opposite way so after this jump and make the stick go back to the direction it was before then do the attack... Using the C stick for this puts you in a disadvantage because it is uncomfortable so you cannot play your best
The problem with that is, that method doesn't work out of an initial dash, as it will make you dash back before the jump comes out. The benefit to attack cancelling is it can be used out of a full dash and an initial dash. Also the technique will only not be natural and make you not at your best if you aren't comfortable with it yet. Once you practice with it enough, it'll be just as natural as the other input and you'll no longer be at a disadvantage.
You can only wavebounce with some characters like Zero Suit Samus and Mario. Now to do it simply jump while being in movement like while running, then after jumping input the neutal special followed by an instant flick to the analog stick (either left or right stick) to the opposite direction you're facing
@@jovannydiazabad6123 Thanks for the links :D I just think sometimes I obtain a B-Reverse instead of a Wavebounce, which is maybe why I don't have enough momentum. Let's just continue practicing. But I thought almost every characters was able to do it. But I still think ProGuide should do their own video on the subject. ^^
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You sound like one of the guys from TeamFourStar
I know I'm a year late but is this possible with a pro controller and if you said it is in the video I must have blanked out.
Why am i watching this video, I can't even tech consistently
Then get good
Little things at a time
Why am I watching this I *only own joycons*
I can’t even do short hops
@@rage_2000 If you press two jump buttons at the same time you will auto short hop. Setting a shoulder button to jump makes this easy for me but some people just like to press two pad buttons at the same time. .
william jackson it works with joycons too, but i can’t think of any situations this would be useful except for marth’s tipper hits
"So you'll have to change your controls to this and c stick to this and..."
*_Laughs in Claw Grip_*
Samuel Cho Laughs in broken fingers**
@@itsbruh5270 broken fingers?? Playing claw does not break your fingers. I'll agree it took a while to get used to, but it turns out _really_ useful for things like this and cuts out a lot of unneeded movement.
Samuel Cho I was being sarcastic but gliding your finger on the controller like that isn’t the best feeling I use claw for trick shots
@@itsbruh5270 oof sorry, I had a feeling you were but still wrote it in case.
Mah. My carpal says ouch
This was explained really well compared to a lot of other videos on the same topic, and production quality is quality. Well done and thank you.
"The Production Quality is Quality"
I'm sry I had to.
I never knew these stuff. Time to win against my friends muahahaha.
Time for playing competitive Smash for you xD
Time for you to go to EVO 2020 and win the tournament
@@umanzate xD
Not worth lol. Its lonely at the top
more realistically you'll fish for the technique all game while everyone else throws items at each other lmao
Wow this will really help I keep doing turn around forward airs because I often seem to Input the aerial too fast
I saw a video on this a couple of days ago, nice to see it make more sense now
Quick and right to the point. More channels need to be like this.
I thought the thumbnail said: learn how to thwack
down b
There’s no need for me to change my controls 👍
Said the Link main lol
Not with claw grip.👌👌
@@JonahDeroy Claw grip gang
@@royolvera3257 Someone lost to a Link and I'm guessing it's you
@@PotatoSoupThe64th link is just an annoying character lmao, whether you win or lose its rarely a fun match
I just tested it in training. You can press C-stick (CS) and jump at the same frame, press CS, then jump 1 frame after, or 2 frames after.
So, for the most lenient example
Frame 1, CS
frame 2, CS
Frame 3, CS+jump
And if you press jump in the other 2 frames, it works.
If its,
Frame 1 jump
Frame 2 jump+CS (or any frame after 1)
Youll back air the wrong way. You basically performed a regular B-air
If its
Frame 1 CS
...
Frame 4 jump
Then the jump is too late, and a Fair will input.
Note: this was tested with joker, but i believe its universal.
So it really is IMMEDIATELY after, or same exact time, which will take some practice. I kept either jumping first or too late. Mad frustrating...
LoonTink so I don’t have to press jump after c-stick, I can’t press them at the same time ?
Hi thanks for this, its confusing to me but i tried it in training and it seems about right with mario.
Malique Hyde im not a smash expert but it looks like yes, if its done on frame 1-3 then its fine, you can press both at the same time, its just really fast and can be hard to get
IM SORRY IM NOT A FICKING TAS MACHINE
@@deadproject8548 lmao what. I was just explaining the order and why it might not come out right, brudda. Essentially, do it in the right order, and super quick.
Oh, and git gud 😂
Pro guides helped me get much better in smash during quarantine, I can’t thank you guys enough 🙏🏻
When you gotta stay on smash attacks because up smashing with Ganon gotta be in one separate input from up tilt. Fr tho I can't risk up tilting because I'll just fucking die
dunno if you will read this since its been 2 years, but you can adjust stick sensitivity so you can up smash more consistently while still having c stick on tilt attack.
I just wanted to say this videos quality is excellent. Very well explained, good pacing, music is fitting and not overpowering, and was just overall pleasant to watch. Thanks.
I watched the mysmashcorner video about this and kinda had it. But this explanation was much mor streamlined and easier to grasp for me.
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Lol this is so crazy. I e been doing this on accident thinking my controller was broken. But i discovered a new tech for smash 5 and didnt know it lol smh
Well it's been discovered days after the game released. Just that proguides didn't start making vids for smash until recently
I’ve never seen someone call Ultimate Smash 5
Purps I usually see 5mash
Bro you're lying.This normally needs the jump on the ZL or ZR or either Z or R triggers.And it needs to be c stick 2nd to the left stick and the jump last.Doubt you would've know this without any video
Random Birb my jump is ZL and i have tilt attack on btw. I thought i was doing a rar bair but i was attack cancelling in the opposite direction.
I don't get the reverse bair from Fox. When i try this, I just get bair facing the wrong direction
Thanks bro, this really helped with mythra back air combos
Ty for the control guide. Very nice explanation.
The method you use to imitate a rar is actually not an attack cancel, it‘s an IRAR. The input is almost identical but at not point are you ever canceling an attack (you can even clearly see so in the slow motion clip you used)
wut
Does a turnaround Aerial work with any other controller like a pro controller?
it keeps doing the back air the other way. what am i doing wrong
Pressing jump before c stick. I just tested it in training. You can press C-S and jump at the same frame, press CS and jump 1 frame after, or 2 frames after.
So, for the most lenient example
Frame 1, CS
frame 2, CS
Frame 3, CS+jump
And if you press jump in the other 2 frames, it works.
If its,
Frame 1 jump
Frame 2 jump+CS
Youll back air the wrong way.
If its
Frame 1 CS
...
Frame 4 jump
Then the jump is too late, and a Fair will input.
@@chieffanLJ27 appreciate the in depth comment buddy :D
@@sera8356 yessir! I legit was JUST figuring it out and testing it lol, so figured id share the knowledge. I acknowledge the necro post tho
I swear I learned how to do this when the game came out and forgot it existed, no wonder I couldn't figure out roy and chrom, as well as meta knight turn around dair and up air.
You make it sound like a perfect pivot from Sm4sh. Am I allowed to say that?
bruh... it only took me 20 minutes to learn the back air, and I didn't want it because I though it was too much trouble. Thanks! (although I can hardly do the first cancel idk why)
How to do it with Ken? Down tilt -> run up bair
It's a little harder with a character that turns around automatically.
I have a hard tim attack canceling with ken and ryu
Just do RAR nair. Dtilt then run and slide the left joystick in the opposite direction. It’s easier to slide it across the top imo.
Idk what I’m doing wrong but I just can’t do it he just does the smash attack and he doesn’t jump at all even if I press jump 5 times
Whoa, I was not expecting to love this guys voice. It’s so soothing and clear. I could listen to him all day
thats weird
@@prestonfamily556 You probably haven’t even hit puberty yet
Dind't Smash Corner make an extremly detailed guide to it?
Yeah it’s how I learned a while back
Yeah this channel is out of date XD
@@tamertamertamer4874 new channel i think
What good are these techniques if you have to change controls to use each one?
I just keep dash down tilting when trying to do the first input. Any idea why?
whats the background music
I guess we'll never know.
@@ComputerRaid64 k
Mew and shaymin are adorable!
I think a problem has risen.
I am trying to do Falcon’s D-Throw to B-Air yet it does B-Air in the opposite direction. So ai try to mix it with a RAR, and while it’s possible, it is SO difficult to input. Is there anyway I can have it to be easier for me to do this?
Yea I. Having a similar problem, if I figure out how to help I will make sure to mention it here.
@@alcrix1953 Falcon player here, same issue. Please tell me one of you figured it out lol
@@Ick.- you must you a fight pad pro controller
@@spiritualak5147 Nah I use GC. I eventually found out that I was just a scrub. Attack cancel timing is tricky at first lmao
Music: Giants' Nest - 8 Money, PACMAN RULES!
pro guides, on your tier list olimar's weight is 1 bar and sheik's is 2 even though olimar is heavier than shiek
1\4 speed and I still can't make it work. Could having jump mapped to "L" possibly be throwing me off or am I just doomed to suck?
I tried doing the instant backair or whatever te ch from 2 minute mark and it was most inconsistent thing I've ever done.
I just heard about this technique and I think it might the hardest in ultimate, I’m trying to get this correctly, I just need more practice 😭
Wish I had people to play with and give me feedback. I WISH MY FRIENDS ALSO PLAYED THIS ONLINE AT LEAST
What about attack canceling on the Switch controls? Can you review that?
I’m using a wired pro controller. Idk why but this is impossible to do consistently. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
I can't seem to turn around with the tilt attack, it I keep getting dash attack instead of a reverse tilt attack and I can't figure out why :(
Because you are fully dashing you need to tilt in the first 10 frames of dashing
Than you so much for the help!!
why am i wathching this video ? i don't play smash and i got surprised cause the motivation guy is here so i liked and sub 2
What I’m just doing it backwards it’s not even raring
Thanks so much I learned so much!!! The most important thing I learned is that I'll never cancel!!! PS. I learned...a lil bit but im still dogwater😞
Im struggling with immediate turn around aerials
Am i the only one wondering whether it can be done with or without pro controller
yes it can i just did it
Concise and in depth. nice.
Cool videos! Would like more things like this. There are various topics about Smash that some people don't know but are important, like the basic notions about frame data, terminology, wavebouncing, whiffs, Z drop aerials, and others. Would love to see videos about that!
Will this work for King K. Rool?
This will never make sense to me. I just want to do captain falcons down throw to back air/up tilt to back air. I can’t turn around.
Name of the song plz
that's cool and all but, what's the background song?
very helpful video! thank you
I don't even want to learn to play at this good of a level.
Can you use a pro controller to attack cancel?
Guys, I'm french and I heard the word momentum a lot in smash channels, but I'm not sure to fully understand it. Could someone quickly explain to me what it means please ?
Basically how much speed is built up depending on mass and velocity.
Momentum can mean the property of the speed an object moves, simply.
If you throw a ball, it soars through the air due to its momentum, and when it hits the ground it bounces. In smash, if you’re running, and you jump, you will move forward in the air due to your momentum.
On pourrait traduire ça par l'élan genre forward momentum c'est tu cours vers l'avant donc t'as de l'élan vers l'avant et quand tu sautes tu garde un peu d'élan qui fait que ton saut avance même si tu touches plus à ta manette
google exists for a fucking reason
@@theblackening76 why do you need to be such a douchebag ?
im pretty sure you can full hop this? can anyone let me know how?
Does a lot of fox’s true combos need attack canceling ? I just picked this game up and having a real hard time with it. I didn’t play smash 4 I use to play melee so I picked up fox but it feels like his combos in this game are lack luster compared to others. But the clips I see people do true combos with fox but when I put in the exact inputs that were done it’s still not true combo even when I do it as fast as it looks in the videos or clips I see. For example Nair upsmash at 95% is true combo for fox and should kill, sometimes I hit it fast enough but most the time when I hit the nair and run towards them for the upsmash they DI instantly. Someone please help me with this. I can’t do a true combo to save my damn life and it’s so frustrating.
Attack cancelling is vital in foxs Combo Game especially after dtilt. He is quite technical in that regard.
When it comes to Nair upsmash it's only true as a killconfirm from (character dependant ofc) around 90-120%. You have to fast fall the nair for it to combo.
Legendiro Thanks man. Any other tips you can point this way?
@@Treantz Search for the official Fox discord for ultimate on google. Via smascords dot com. There are enumerated character Discords. Anything else can be given you there if you ask nicely and specifically what you want.
Legendiro Thanks man forreal lol
Legendiro you earned a sub
do you NEED the tilt stick to attack cancel back air?
I believe so. Because you're essentially cancelling a turnaround f-tilt into a back air
Using one of the shoulder buttons is easiest for me. I shield with only L and have R set to jump specifically for AC'ing. If I want to jump normally I use the default Y
I’ve played since brawl and I always have used smash stick. I’m gonna try switching to tilt, this is gonna take some getting used to
Denal _Lives its worth it tho
I cant short hop with a shoulder button so there goes this technique
you don't need to be able to short hop with shoulder buttons. when you execute the inputs properly, it does a short hop aerial because it's based off the short hop attack macro.
Why do I randomly keep getting an Attack Cancel Forward Air?? Pls help!!!
Maybe due to stick snapbakc
Just liked and subbed.. Please do a Capt Falcon advanced techniques vid!!!
Nice vid, unfortunately a lot of online players on know B, ⬆️B, ➡️B, and ⬇️B
Still struggling with Hydro and Teleport cancelling. Plz help
Wow@@..what a truly nice video 👌👌👌👌...u people r perfectionist in every aspect of life
Do any grounded moves come out BEFORE frame 3?
@@AprilMayCry And I know Zero Suit Samus' and Little Mac's jabs are Frame 1.
Squirtle's jab 1 and I think also Piranha Plant's jab 1 are active on frame 2
Toby Sullivan but idk if jab cancelling is much of a thing; it's mostly with tilts and dash attacks
@@peanutbutterpikachu yeah so I was asking if any of those moves come out before frame 3 so you can potentially combo it into another move with attack cancel
Works for corrin side b as well
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So you're telling me you do things in game only because of your control? Things I can't with a switch pro controller?
This one, I don't get. Every time I try this I have aerial momentum.
I noticed that sometimes, while holding the control stick in the correct direction, I still manage to do the backair the wrong way
Can someone help me out?
David Blezer you’re imputing too fast
@@Sogoussb ah ok, so I should first input tilt attack and then jump? Not at the same time then? Or do you mean I should first dash a bit and then input the rest?
@@TodouIota move your tilt stick opposite of the direction you want to go, RIGHT after, move your control stick in the direction you want to go and jump at the same time
@@hpq661 Thanks, I will try that out for sure!
Now I can leaen JV4 combos
I’ve known how to attack cancel for months now and I don’t use it lmao
Are you able to attack cancel smash attacks?
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Kirkland Thoman that’s disappointing, thanks for your reply..!
Crab Claw, People!
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It just doesn’t work for me
Ok this helps a lot thanks
Nice Jams
Can you do a marioKart proGuides
Thatnk ou so much
excellent presentation, wow
*laughs in meta knight controller setup*
I like. It. Easy to follow with diagrams. I like it
This doesn’t make sense,I always to the bair in the opposite direction
git gud kid
Kind of weird that I already know this
This can applies on heavys ?
Yeah but it's not as useful fox has a fast air speed so it benefits those characters instead of heavys
Fox combo guide?
That turn around back air can be done much easier...
When dashing/running you can hold the left stick the opposite way so after this jump and make the stick go back to the direction it was before then do the attack... Using the C stick for this puts you in a disadvantage because it is uncomfortable so you cannot play your best
The problem with that is, that method doesn't work out of an initial dash, as it will make you dash back before the jump comes out. The benefit to attack cancelling is it can be used out of a full dash and an initial dash.
Also the technique will only not be natural and make you not at your best if you aren't comfortable with it yet. Once you practice with it enough, it'll be just as natural as the other input and you'll no longer be at a disadvantage.
Lovely
I still can't do it :c
This shit is like reverse Kara canceling
I’ll stick to RAR’s if it means keeping my c-stick to smash attacks.
Same, definitely as a mewtwo main down smash needs to be pulled off quickly for a 2 frame... and up tilt up smash is so much easier with smash stick
Isn't this just spacing ???
How do you cancel wizard kick ?
III Stage Productions® its a special move and can’t be cancelled
@@therealivysaur but I see nairo do it. Is it a ledge cancel?
III Stage Productions® show me clips. I need to be educated.
III Stage Productions® yessir, it’s a ledge cancel
Bruh its been in every game since melee it's just a ledge cancel
Can you do this with forward air
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I would like to know if you can do that with Fair
Wavebounce please. I find it's quite hard to fully invert your momentum consistently when you do that personally
You can only wavebounce with some characters like Zero Suit Samus and Mario. Now to do it simply jump while being in movement like while running, then after jumping input the neutal special followed by an instant flick to the analog stick (either left or right stick) to the opposite direction you're facing
ruclips.net/video/qDl2kQviJSo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/3gbZJn8CHMk/видео.html
@@jovannydiazabad6123 Thanks for the links :D
I just think sometimes I obtain a B-Reverse instead of a Wavebounce, which is maybe why I don't have enough momentum.
Let's just continue practicing. But I thought almost every characters was able to do it.
But I still think ProGuide should do their own video on the subject. ^^
@@kyurei4478 every character CAN wavebounce, only some moves can't.