How to Wavebounce and B-Reverse in Smash Bros Ultimate
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If you ever see Banjo wonderwing in the wrong direction, almost guarantee it's a misinput of reverse DownB
Facts
Big facts
Literally me 20% of the time playing banjo
This happens more often than I'd like it to...
yep yep yep
"every character has 4 special moves"
terry: hold my crack shoot
Hero: Hold my Down B
Shulk: Hold my Monado Arts
Joker: hold my arsene
Miis: Hold my selectable moveset
Bayonetta: Hold my 4 side specials
I’ve been doing b reverses sometimes when I was playing online by mistake and I never knew how to replicate it. This helps me a lot. TY
Finally someone explains what the heck this stuff means. Comprehensive skills can only help so much when there is no explanation to how it's done. Thank you so much.
Same problem i had. I had to mostly figure out how to play by myself because of the severe lack of videos that explain what things are and how to do them
Wave bouncing felt so different from smash 4 and it feels harder. I used to short hop backwards and then b-reverse and it counted both inputs. Never got the idea that you actually put it backwards before the special move.
I remember when Rars and b reverses were braindead easy in Smash 4, now when I recover when facing backwards it feels like a 50/50 if I can b reverse my up B sometimes
If u hold diagonal up will be reverse up b
This is mostly due to the 10frame buffer. Smash 4 had a 6 (or was it 5?) frame buffer
What Wolfen Knight said: If you hold the control stick diagonally up towards the direction you want to do the special you can reverse and face back to recover. As simple as that, you don't need to do any gimmicky stuff.
the buffer would not change the difficulty of performing a static mechanic. Just gotta practice more Tin.
How do you do this with pro controller
2:40 actually, that's seperate. you can still B-reverse normally with falcon and ganon, but in addition, you can turn their neutral B around during the animation.
2:26 as a Lucario main I appreciate the aura sphere cancel 8)
how do u cancel the aurasphere?
Ryuzaki Lawliet - You press shield and let go of the button within 6 frames. Then to turn it into a combo you have to do something immediately out of it, like up smash or force palm grab
Solarwolf13 crazy how fast he did that. didnt even see shield
Ryuzaki Lawliet - Nope, if you let go of shield within 6 frames the shield animation doesn’t happen, that’s why you’re able to cancel and combo so quickly. If you do it wrong and hold the button a bit too long you’ll see the shield pop up for a second, and the combo won’t be true
Also for anyone having a hard time with wave-bouncing, my word of wisdom is to test the timing for when you can turn your special around with the direction input before the special move. The special input can be decently delayed. Once you figure out that timing, then add the b-reverse part. Then with that mentality down, do it with short hops. Don't know if I am helping anyone trying to use the c-stick method, but c-stick is annoying with joycons, so I hope I am helping.
You guys & Meta Of Smash is killing it with the advanced techniques.
Not that their they're the first ones to do it but still pretty good they're doing as well and not just some few in the community
Sirro Minus fr been watching them both a ton
Killing what?
Mastered the B-reverse, now I gotta learn the wavebounce.
pretty easy once you know how to b reverse
Same
I swear i get these so confused. I literally wave bounce unintentionally because i get so confused on how to do this.
No it is not
@@sotoriya9810 easy? EASY? YOU HAVE TO INPUT IT B AND C STICK AT THE EXACT SAME TIME
Since Smash 4, my favorite use has been Roy's dash away, b-reverse neutral b, slide back towards opponent. The combination of the massive hitbox and momentum change can catch people sleeping if they're too aggressive.
Brawl Mario in the thumbnail wow
I must say it looks a lot cooler
people pay these guys money for that
I guess because brawl is where these techniques originated
For anyone who wants to main snake at a decent level, learning this is a must
Same goes for Lucario, B reversing and wave bouncing are essential to catch opponents in aura sphere cancels
Ridley mains gotta practice b-reverse and wavebouncing neutral b like crazy, then they gotta practice b-reverse and wavebounce skewer to end them riggtly
@@JJSquirtle B reverse is also useful for Banjo's Breegul Blaster.
@@orangeslash1667 It's just generally useful.
@@JJSquirtle But its so hard for me pull off consistently.
Seeing Lucario doing the wave bounce just reminded me of how fun he was with smash4’s custom moves...
Lots of missed potential with that idea.
Loved his dash version of force palm, and the quicker and shorter extreme speed was such a good kill option!! It was like pikachu’s quick attack but with a hit box like fox and falco’s up b.
Lots of custom moves were super janky but they were fun for a while. Would love to see a mod one day where they are made in a way that suits each character.
Example: Link having the double hook shot as up b(or roc’s feather/cape) and spin attack as neutral(mash for some height gain). Side b, Pegasus boots to charge into a slash/jump attack. Then down b could be the megaton hammer. Mimic DK’s down b but with only one hit.
Done ranting about missed potential on something that essential even mentioned in this video 😁🤣🤣🤣
“techniques that can only be used with special moves”
*laughs in lucas zair*
parker taylor what’s a zair? I know what a uair, nair, dair, fair, and bair are, but I’ve heard people say zair and dunno what they’re talking about
@@pleasehold4910 Certain characters can use grab while midair as an attack (ZSS, Samus, Lucas,...) THAT is Zair
DJC Zair hype
As a lucas main, Zair is one special special move. Like stupid combos you can only do offline. Also dtilt to fsmash. Not true but works one-two times if you have never fought them before
@@pleasehold4910 it's called a Zair because most people use Z to grab with a GameCube controller.
I can see some fellow casuals are discussing what actually qualifies as a "Turnaround Special"..:
1) When facing/jumping away from your opponent, Side-B can automatically be turned around if you simply hold back towards them during the basic side input.
This has the same effect of a "turnaround special" without actually needing to do any tech.
2) Likewise, when facing/jumping away from your opponent, Up-B and Down B can be automatically turned around if you simply hold back slightly towards them during the basic inputs.
So, if you are on the left of the stage (i.e. jumping left, but wanting to turn and do the move to the right) these left stick directions will be 1-o-clock for Up-B and 5-o-clock for Down-B.
This is why you can recover to the stage while facing away from it, as you simply just hold the left-stick up and back towards the ledge (i.e. again, no actual tech is required).
3) Neutral-B turnarounds are more difficult, as holding a direction obviously makes you do a Side-B instead. As a result, you have to tap the direction just before the B press, which is quite a tight timing window.
Or you can just play as Byleth, lol.
4) The more complicated "B reverse" (quite easy) and "wavebouncing" (not easy) tech in this video is mostly about mixing up movement and performing surprise special attacks, so it's usefulness depends on the specific character and the nature of their Neutral B.
Your videos are beyond helpful 😅 admittedly I’ve been playing smash since the N64 data but have never learned these advanced techniques 🤦♂️🤷♂️
One of my favorite things to do with Mewtwo is b-reverse shadow ball, throwing it launches him backwards in the air and it's such a fun mixup
I haven't seen these two techniques for doing wavebounce Neutral B and Down B. Very good.
In project M, with falcon you can B reverse AND reverse falcon punch with the same input but by varying the timing. I assumed it worked the same in the other games. So you can do a wavebounce reverse falcon punch, and it is very satisfying!
4:28
Don’t mind it, just putting it for me
video starts at 4:00 i hate how most smash videos is 90% filler like i get it cus utube $$$ but jeez is it hard to find some miniscule info without filtering through all the crap
I already knew about b reverse and wave bouncing, I often use b reverse as Mario but not wavebouncing. I’ve done it before un training but not in a real match. May be a good time to start practicing wavebouncing and get more comfortable with the button inputs
We gonna act like that Young Link was gonna make it back to the ledge at 2:21??... Okay
Yes
Sure
Why not
Absolutely.
Hey he got the kill, it was worth it
Still helpful in December of 2021! Much love!
Wait you guys make smash content too? Ive only been watching your league guides
NICE
Very good explanation, and a needed slower pace.
I never even known about this except i known b-rev mario up-b roy and chrom neu-b and cap.falcon and ganon neu-b and this seems to be really useful information
This will help a lot!
3:00 Ganon and Captain Falcon can B Reverse in the same way as any other Character can. To use this, you have to do it as fast as you can. Because of this they are able to do a 360 Falcon or Warlock Punch.
To anyone having trouble inputing wave bounces, it’s worth considering changing your C-Stick to Special moves (I am aware of how stupid this sounds). I main Ness and changing my c-stick to specials has helped my greatly in mixing up my gameplay. Inputing wave bounces and momentum retaining double jump cancels is stupid easy with a “B-stick” control setup. It opens the door to so many ness combos and movement options with PSI Magnet and PK Fire.
Wtf I've been calling B reversals wavebounce this whole time!
LOL same..
Same here
Not same
this also had a mini snake guide in it
Best video on the topic
9:50 lol. I subbed.
Oh yeah, time to start schmoovin
This was great help.....
'Most likely used by snake and lucario'
Ness and Lucas would like a word with you
Tried wavebounces with joycons and never felt such intense pain in my left hand
Why does it sound like he's yelling at me
Can you stop yelling me it's really STRESSING ME OUT
This is the most useful video.
I knew about b-reversing, but i really got interested when i tried to do a special move and it launched me forward a bit.
The music is Violet Breeze - Giants' Nest
You're wrong about b-reversal only being implemented in brawl first. Melee had it, too. Wasn't as prolific as it is now. Was useful, doable, and noticable on a character like samus
I wasnt able to do it like this guide says but i found an easier way i think.
Left button is special, right trigger is jump and c stick is light attack.
For backwards wavebounce
Run away from opponent, jump, hold stick away and you add, LB+c stick(toward opponent)
For normal wavebounce
Jump towards opponent, LB+lft stick back+c stick forward
Low wavebounce
Run forward and hold stick, RT, C stick backwards, LB
Low wavebounce is the only difficult one, the other two are extremely easy and for b reverse you can do LB+C stick, you dont even need to worry about the timing.
I accidentally wavebounce wit Robin all the time and it always mess me up. Seeing this, I don't even know how I accidentally did it lmao
A loose stick, or playing on na pro controller will have you doing that alot bc the stick kinda "snaps back" when you let go of the stick
thank u
I saw a tribute to you and you scare me yet excite me. I love how you play Lucas! Big fan ngl
Hero has one of the better uses of b-reversal and wavebounce, with or without Acceleratle activated
I remember not to long ago, a friend of mine asked me how to b-reverse. And I was trying to explain it to him, but he never understood me. So this video helped me a lot, and I hope it will help him as well... THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
Had to mess around at 1/4 speed some and look up a wiki to explain turn-around specials to get it, but I can pretty reliably do them now! This will make some nasty plays with Robin.
The most useful comment ☝🏻 thanks 😊
@@franknfoot7200 You're welcome, Dood! 🤜🤛
I don't mean to nitpick, but Yoshi can also change direction when double jumping due to his unique flutter jump. Iirc he's the only character with a double jump that can do this
Can someone hook a homie up with the background music? That shit a whole bop.
Found it myself. For anyone else searching, its Violet Breeze by Giants' Nest.
3/4 of robins specials can be b reversed, pretty fun to mix up with him if you ask me.
THANK U
*Uses Brawl Mario in the thumbnail*
I don’t know how useful this really is but I’m certainly going to use it to style on people haha.
Brennan Jeppson fake our opponents thinking you’re backing off and catching them with a fire arrow to set up a smash with young link is all I really use it for
When he was talking about the snake example he sounded a lot like Sigint.
For Falcon and Ganon you can do a double turnaround in the neutral I believe
definitely a great video, but idk about the snake focus in the end, sorta random?
I just realized that what I thought was a b reverse is really just a turnaround LMAO
Would you be able to b reverse and wavebounce with Cloud’s down b? He doesnt throw out any attacks for it so im wondering before i end up trying to do it for hours lol
Fun fact: you CAN b-reverse warlock punch and falcon punch, but the timing is dummy tight. Obviously I'm not talking about the reverse animation "b reverse". I've only pulled it off like twice in matches, essentially you can reverse it twice. It's more or less frame perfect, so its not very reliable, but interesting nonetheless.
Entropic StarKid it's actually the same input as every other b reverse, just labbed it
At 2:27 how did the lucario combo aura sphere into up smash??
Some characters have notch b reverses like DK and mario. If you angle.it they will b reverse automatically. Not sure on any others. But they have very easy b reverses if you just throw ur stick in the notch.
"Easier Alternative"
"Hold the C Stick *and* B"
This man has 2 thumbs
Use claw grip, bring ur right index and middle fingers up to the buttons. Fairly well known style of holding the gamecube controller
the song is violet breeze
if we took the amount of brain power we use to learn reversal b's and wavebounces, and put it towards learning to invest in stocks, we'd all be millionaires lol.
Ehh.. maybe..
But none of these basement dwelling smash players ever gave enough attention in math class. So..
Que107 lol so hostile
lol Stocks aha very Punny
Yeah, but can stocks make Kirby fight Bayonetta at Luigi’s mansion? No! Because stocks can’t handle that level of awesome!
@@ryldmeh251 what are you talking about
i found out about this a while ago before i knew about competitive smash. I found out about it using young link and i tried it only on the 2 other links and in my head that was "WOW THIS IS CRAZY LINKS ARE OP" and i confused every1 with it and now that i think about it WHY TF DIDNT I TRY THIS ON OTHER CHARACTERS LMAO
You can normal b reverse falcons and ganons neutral b as well as turn around
What's this? A legit helpful smash vid from proguides?
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Ack. I can't get the regular wavebounce to work unless I add another step with my left thumb where I switch directions before tilt+special :(
I keep getting b reverse with the c stick method :/, I main samus and use pro controller. Guess I'll jsut stick to practice manual wavebounces :/
Same! It only worked when I executed it right after a jump from the ground basically canceling my back air with special. But I haven’t been able to see it after a high jump or when I’m already in the air. The funny thing is that I could easily execute it on training mode at a faster or lower speed but never at the normal speed. So the one I learned to do instead was to use the left stick for turn around special and immediately C-stick as a direction for a B-reverse.
So Sonic can't b reverse homong attack but he can turn it around. If i map a shoulder button to special and use the c stick method, would that perform a turn around special more easily without possibly sd'ing by homing attacking offstage in the wrong direction?
Can someone explain the neutral special wave bounce? I can get it consistently at 2/3 speed and about 60% of the time at 1.5. But at normal speed it always ends up as a turnaround special.
It do be like that.
I’m using the JoyCons because why not and I find the wavebounce very, very tricky to do. B-reversal has been second nature since I main Lucario.
Can someone please explain to me in vivid detail the inputs for the neutral wave bounce at 5:35-5:45?
I can easily pull-off the side special and down special wave bounce but I’ve never understood the neutral special wave bounce with these controller inputs. Yes “L” is set to special and C-stick is set to tilts in my controller settings.
Let's say we are default position, me on left.
I'll run away, to the left.
Jump, hold over for a biiiit more to get momentum
Let go of left joystick
Immediately do the trigger-special with the c-stick to the right
I mean I play Lucina not much situations where I necessarily need to b reverse.
Also standing b reverse is harder for me than doing it in the air for some reason
I keep doing these on accident while trying to use Zelda's Displaced Phantom macro.
This tech is good for projectile characters n set up characters duckhunt banjo samus snake the belmonts pacman mewtwo and lucario just to name a few
Im having trouble with the wavebounce neutral special with Mario, does the c-stick maneuvers work with normal joycons?
Even though I follow your orders correctly (I think) Mario thinks it's wavebounce cape and not wavebounce fireball
I've noticed I need to act like I'm gonna hit the button before the stick to make them go at the same time
You could technically reverse a neutral move in melee too. Also N64
Good
Why am I watching this? I already know how.
I know all this, still can't do it reliably at all :/
Mastered b reverse now can recover with Mario, Dr Mario, Ryu, Ryu 2.0, Marth, Lucina, Roy, and Joker
There might be more tho plz don’t hate
I found this video, then didn't watch it and found out how to b-reverse on my own
B reversing is on Melee aswell, but u gotta one tap the direction and then do the special, otherwise it doesn't work.
does it flip your aerial momentum
That's called a turn around b, a b reverse shifts your momentum as well
We not gonna talk about that brawl picture... okay
its pretty to hard to press the c stick diagonally. is it really that consistent after practice? I feel like its super hard to determine the perfect angle for it
B reverses seem useful for shield breakers
Got to set a trigger button to do wavebounce, set another trigger button to jump to do attack cancel… how do I shield though?
oh dude i b-reversed with mario without even knowing it was a tech lmao
i8 think ive been doing B reverse accidentally with kirby. it was starting to make me think my controller was broken
Oh wth didnt know you can use cstick on this. Thx
Could someone please tell me the name of the song used in the video?🙏
Cool
This is game changing wtf lol
Thanks this was great help, but is there an easier way to do this with double joy-con because that's what I use?
For me extra practice was the only way. I found 10 minutes and I could do it consistently
You gotta practice it a lot. Make sure you press b first before moving the stick.
I wonder if you can quarter-circle "turnaround up-b"s to get the input more consistently.
I just up b at a 35 degree-ish angle to reverse
What about b Reverse side special s
How precise do the inputs need to be? Because I've only managed to get it like 2 twice in 20 minutes