The dumbest thing people do is trading their trucks in to dealerships. Because you get screwed twice. Overpriced new truck is one. Number two is the under book value you get for your trade in. Dealerships are milking you like a cow 🐄
So why doesn't Canada make their own pickup truck to compete? By the time all the socialism gets rolled in it won't be any different in price and the truck won't be nearly as good.
@@EGGINFOOLS ...GM,Ford and FCA are also Canadian Companies...They are Domestic Vehicles in Canada !!! Truck prices in Canada are the same as in America ,reason truck prices are higher in Canada is because Canadians on average make more money ,thus everything is a little more.... Toyota,Nissan,VW,etc are Imports in Canada..GM,Ford,FCA are Domestic ! Furthermore America has as much Socialism as Canada does...Look at your State how many laws and rules,in most cases America has more laws/rules than in Canada..its changing Canada is catching up ,15 years ago Canada had less laws and rules.. ***I live in both Countries,born in the U.S lived in Canada with my Mom for a bit then went back/forth to my Dads place ... Funny,Canada was the Conservative place to be for 12 years while America was a Sociaist hellhole with Obama for 8 !!! Thats what youre getting at,right..
as long as people keep buying them they will keep the prices up! they are offering up to 20% off in the us now to try to unload the year end inventory! but they are still to high!!!!
@@01trsmar In Canada, median household income is only around CAD$70,000 and some change. In US dollars, that's only around $53,000. In the US, median household income is $61,372. That doesn't adjust for living cost, which is much higher in Canada. Canadians gets screwed all around. High prices + Less pay = Canadian living.
Thanks for explaining how the vehicles are provided. That SHOULD clear up most of the questions "how come you didn't have all diesels or all off-road?" Great video. You are a superb addition to an already great TFL group of channels.
@@crazyhass84 As this is true, my take on how this one came to be is "we asked the OEMs to send us a truck to do an all around test. comparison". They simple said bring what you want for this test and that's what they got.
GREAT VID! Love these Canadian edition videos and how he tests these vehicles. Stephen seems to be a very honest and fair reviewer! Glad to finally have a Tundra on the scene!
I understand that the automakers choose which truck to send you but that creates a dilemma. Your comparing apples to oranges. I think you should request a more level playing field from them. There's a Tundra with (amazing) off road fox shocks going up against a Ram on bags, a little diesel going up against a huge 6.2L.. just way to many variances...
Mike, that's the only thing the haters can bash on the Tundra. They can't both on it's solid build/reliability or it's fantastic resale value so they cry that its a gas hog...guess what? So is every other truck. We don't buy these for fuel economy.
And that was with the TRD PRO, which undeniably gets the worst mileage out of the entire lineup of trims. This is my biggest complaint with TFL. They seem to exclusively test the TRD PRO Tundras and then knock the truck for being what it is designed for. Especially in an ON ROAD test of capabilities. The TRD SPORT is the truck they should have tested here. Or a platinum/1794. The biggest knock of the truck was it's off road tuned suspension in a hauling test.... Like ... Duh.
Agree minus the rims. IMO the RAM's and GMC's rims are just horrific. I miss the simple 5/6 spoke design. I do really like the look of the Ford's rims, and that's coming from a GM fan.
Hey Steven ,you got that right.I been a F150 man all of my driving days.my first Ford was a '73 F100 red with the red stripes across the bottoms and chrome hubcaps and the 302 engine.
Little diesels are all about fuel economy not horsepower and torque. As luck would have it the shitbox couldn't communicate through the OBD port and the one category they could have taken was lost.
Evan Hasson it’s nit a truck, it’s a car with a bed, 15 year old interior, sluggish drivetrains, and resale is not the best, an 08 Silverado costs similar prices to a 2008 tundra, Toyota is years away from the big 3
It looks like 17 people agree with me and none with you. How can you tell me the Tundra isn't a truck lol. Its a dated interior with everything someone needs and a V8 that will make 650 horsepower supercharged. Even supercharged its still over 10,000 less than the competition @@jaredchampagne2752
Evan Hasson your comment is 4 weeks old and is a main comment not a side comment of course it has a couple likes from fan boys. Most people that comment on stuff on RUclips just hate on stuff they can’t afford, but I’ve driven them all. Okay, so you agree it’s a dated interior, it’s a dated truck, it’s sluggish, the body panels make it look like a crossover SUV, the big 3 have all the basics AND more! Why wouldn’t you go with the big 3, they’re tried and true, you don’t see commercial companies using Toyota’s do you? No because they’re for yuppies that should be driving a car but want a truck to fit in. A tundra is what ford Chevy and dodge were 15 years ago. There’s a reason that ford and Chevy sell 100 pickups to 1 Toyota, they can’t hold up to the same abuse as American trucks, you want to claim power? If you’re going that route, Chevy LS motors can handle 1000hp stock with a few bolt ons and be daily driveable lol. Of course any v8 can be supercharged, itd be weird if it couldn’t. You get what you pay for, a Tundra is a car with a bed.
Not sluggish actually, its faster than some of these trucks equipped with their respective diesels, tiny ass v6's and even V8's. You see the problem with "more" is that it opens the door for more reliability problems. There is a reason Toyota truck are so damn reliable and its because they don't have a bunch of extra nannies. It looks nothing like a crossover SUV and you couldn't even come up with an argument for that. You may want to get your eyes checked. Commercial companies don't use Toyota trucks because they want to support the American market. Also, the American truck brands have incentive deals for large fleets, something Toyota does not do. Ford, Dodge, and Chevy were nothing like the Tundra fifteen years ago because they broke down a lot. Also, the tacoma is the number 1 selling midsized pickup so I do not where you got that statistic. You are correct that a chevy could make that much power, its just that it is more expensive and less reliable power. Also, THE Ballistic BJ Baldwin drive a Tundra, as does Mark Owen from Seal Team Six and I'm sure you wouldn't tell it to either of their faces that they drive a car haha. One more, can a car tow a space ship, I think not. ruclips.net/video/3weSO1I5hrE/видео.html @@jaredchampagne2752
Stephen, you're a breathe of fresh air. All of your reviews are very thorough, informative and honest. TFL is lucky to have you on the team. The content that y'all are putting out is spectacular and is certainly helping all of us make informative decisions when it comes to our next truck purchase. Thanks for all of your hard work!
On my book the Tundra Trd pro beats all of those trucks any day because of how reliable it is and how good it feels using it off road and even cruising on the Highway
GREAT review I so appreciate concise no bull and fluff talk about feeling. Just plain scores on REAL world comparison on thing people would do with there trucks. With no loud music blaring in the background when the presenter is talking. Thank you so much for hard work on this. Please keep up the GREAT work you guy's are doing on TFL !!!
Yeah I agree with another commenter below, more snow! Jeep in snow, trucks in snow, snow in snow...snow stuff and cars is sorely lacking on the RUclips review scene as far as I can tell.
One time I got my old 2005 GMC half ton extended cab stuck about 4 miles up a snow covered dirt road in Montana, called a friend to come pull me out, he got stuck, so we both called a tow truck company which happened to be the same one, so the tow truck guy drives from an hour away and gets my friend out, and then got too scared to come further out to where I was so he left, and at this time it was about midnight or so. So I sleep in my truck and then in the morning I call again so they send out 2 guys from the same tow company and they bring up 2 snowmobiles and a tow truck, well they were too scared to bring the tow truck up to me so they come pick me and my dog up on the snowmobiles and by this time it's been 24 hours since I left home and had anything to eat or drink. So they get me on the snowmobiles and we leave my truck there and they drive me home. So then they drive an hour back home and the next day they bring a more capable 4x4 tow truck the next day and pull my truck out and then drop it off to me in town lol. So between 3 tow trucks and 3 different days I racked up a $1,600 (USD) tow bill, but I made my insurance cover it so that was cool. But yeah life lesson, don't go too crazy driving around in the snow, it gets expensive.
Nothing but Toyota truck for me. I am not rich like some guys are here. I buy stuff and keep it for long long time. I can't comment on any other vehicle coz I only have had toyota in my life. I had used celica in my college time but Once, I started working full time I bought me 2001 tacoma which I just traded in for 2019 tundra 2 months ago. I had 326k miles on tacoma with nothing changed except 1 o2 sensor and oil, tire. Same transmission fluid, never added. Same brake fluid, never topped it off. same power steering fluid, never topped it off. I have done nothing on truck except tire, oil and gas and 1 o2 sensor. 2001 Solara, I still have it, its my daily driver 260k miles. Same story, nothing done except tire, oil and gas and once in 5 years or so I add bottle of fuel cleaner. That's about it. Best part is, it still drives like just broken in. These 2 vehicle never gave me any problem. I was payment free for almost 14 years and only liability on vehicle, so my insurance was really low. I paid my house off with that saving. Also, I was able to buy tundra with trade in tacoma and Cash. No loan. And, I have always made less than 50k in my life. If I was rich, may be i'd go for some fancy stuff but Toyota keeps me debt free. ps, i forgot to mention brake pads and batteries changed here and there.
That's true that's why I'm switching to Toyota and currently have a Lexus LS400 1998 got it for 3k no issues at all 200k on it and getting a tundra now
Great video. I'm an F150 fan and will admit this new 3.0 PSD is a bit of a let down. Do you think the F150 would have scored higher if it had the 3.5 Ecoboost or the 5.0?
Hopefully next year all the trucks will have their v6 turbo diesels. Than that will be a good comparison. And yes, the f150 would have had a higher score with the 3.5 no doubt.
I bet my bottom dollar there was no issue with the Ford ECU communicating with the device. Ford said they didn't want their MPG listed. Typical Ford move.
I love my 2008 Tundra 5.7L 4X4. Plain, boring, but reliable. 178K miles now and have only replace the water pump and basic maintenance/tune up. It is sad that Toyota didn't change anything for a decade so i'll hold onto mine for now. I know it'll take me to the edge of the world and back safely.
@@christopherbrown1391 Would love it if they threw the 3.5L V6 Twin Turbo from the LS500. I get pretty bad fuel economy, 12mpg now that it's lifted with 35s. 2020 Toyota should revise the Tundra
Yeah I bet Toyota can go a lot of different routes can update the 5.7 drop the 3.5 and also do a 10speed and 8speed trans it’s all about options and Lexus luxury also.
Question on the MPG (US chart), you state that the RAM and the Toy both got the same on empty and with a payload, but then the Ram got .8MPG better with towing.... how did the Toyota get a .7 better average?
Just wanted to say great job with comentary, catching the needed details and keeping the flow not to drag things out with such an obvious large task. You are my favorite truck guys these days...thanks.
these are great, but i would still get the tundra for reliability, if you plan on keeping it for years when your lan is paid off it will be the truck that has broken down the less and still keep for more years to come
John S thats strange i myself have had 2 tacomas and both had no issues at all other then brakes and normal wear and i know two people with tundras a 2007 and a 2013 and both have had no issues. i guess things can happen but toyota is known for reliability, they do have their problems but toyota stands behind their products unlike some other brands.
@@dklein8207 but in the real world it was just opposite where I work in the oil field we had Chevys Fords Dodges and Tundras Tundras were the only ones that never broke down everything else broke down at some point and had to be taken to the dealership to be fixed. JD Power and Associates is paid off by different manufacturers anyway I wouldn't trust a word they say
Wow you've really taken this channel to a higher level. Really enjoyed your work on the other site your used to work for. But tfl is a great addition with your work.
How did you calculated the average fuel consumption? I'm no mathematician, but I learned that you add the 3 numbers then divide by 3. None of your averages do this, except for the Tundra in MPG (15.4). Also, what about the price? Paying top dollar for 1st place isn't always a win. Points should be awarded for lower pricing and better financing options.
Excited to see the next Canadian Truck king challenge. I purchased a 2020 GMC 1500 Denali ultimate 6.2l after watching every RUclips review and this video sealed the deal. This was one month after the pandemic and knew prices would be going up. Thanks for your content! If only I had knew I was purchasing a travel trailer a few months later I probably would have went with a 2500 gas. (The truck still does the job)
I think they should have had 1 more test...off road like they showed in the beginning of the video. Through mud holes lol...they definitely would have moved up the ranks.
Cause on the diesel, the fuel mileage didn't really change. With out a load or with a load, mileage was consistent. Thats why they didn't have numbers on ford. Biased ruclips.net/video/p0z8DFcPyhM/видео.html Check this out. Diesel power.
The suspension is bilstien shocks and I think Michellen att. It's actually cheaper to get the shocks installed and better att tires installed separately than it is to get the tdr sport. The only real reason to get the sport is the lock differentials. But that really matters if your going rock crawling
Thank you guys for providing another outstanding objective and subjective video. Yes I'm a Ford guy and would love to have seen the Ford come out on top, but I'm an automotive enthusiastic before a Ford fan and I'm glad to see how the outcome was. Very deserving. Good job guys
Did you factor in price in your decision? The reason I ask is I can pick up a Titan Pro4x for $45-50k CAD, whereas a GMC Denali is $65+CAD (and not even a power passenger seat). When the Titan's capacities far exceed my needs, the extra $20Gs for a comparable GMC or Ram becomes a hard sell for me.
Just an observation... you said that the Toyota had better overall fuel numbers than the RAM, but the individual test points for each of them are danged near identical, with the empty and towing being better in the RAM. How is it the comparable average is worse for the RAM than the Toyota? Thanks for your response, -Roger
Hey Roger, Here is an explanation from the outfit responsible for the fuel economy chart: "The comparable average does not average the fuel consumption values for the three test trips but rather uses the sum of the fuel consumed divided by the sum of the trip distances for all three trips, multiplied by 100. Essentially, this ensures that all fuel consumed and distance driven is accounted for." Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@SelmerVidz1 Hi Stephen, was there excess idling time for the Ram or something? It's strange that individual tests show better fuel economy, but lower overall. I know the EPA numbers are slightly better for the Ram than the Tundra (Tundra shows near the button on these metrics usually because it's still using a 6 speed automatic.) Just looking for clarity.
So the thing people want to know. How good fuel economy is with the diesel and you don't have any info. Top it off you didn't go back and rerun the test on the f150 to the mileage numbers. Good one guys really good.
Randy Thompson Right now diesel is $0.87 more than gas per gallon. IF the diesel got 9mpg more than the gas (and it’ll only get around 4-6 more) it would be even in dollars per mile. So you are loosing money with the diesel (and power and torque) not including the cost of the def, or higher oil change cost, or higher cost to purchase the Diesel engine. The way I see it, the absolute ONLY advantage of the diesel right now is more range on a single tank of gas. And my bladder can’t outlast a 30gal tank of gas getting 20mpg.
@@williamumbach592 my statement wasn't about costs it was about a failure by a tester to do the test properly and finish the test with actual results. Don't you think that running the test again with working equipment was in order?
Not quite sure what GM was thinking when they designed these things; but they sure helped make the 2007 (2014 refreshed) Tundra look downright handsome in comparison. Give the Tundra the 6 lug wheels it needs and I'd put it third place behind Ram and F150.
I wouldn't touch the Ram with the air ride with a 10 foot poll. My Dad has a 2016 with the air ride and it does not like cold weather, He has taken it in 3 times for months of repair work (waiting for parts) because it likes to fail at temperatures lower than -20C. And when he took it in there were other trucks there with the same problem as well. At least 2 of the times the entire system had to be replaced. Thankfully it was still under warranty. Note it was so bad the truck had to be towed 70 km to the dealership because the truck was undriveable.
@John S What I am worried about is what does my Dad do when the warranty runs out and it happens again? They extended the warranty by a year because of this but if they haven't fixěd the issue properly it's just going to end up back in the shop at some point.
that's the problem with the Ram and Ford trucks. They are cashing in on the "yuppie gadget crowd" with all the technology. This stuff ends up being unreliable and expensive to fix down the road. A lot of people around where I live look at Ford and Ram as trucks you just lease but, never buy.
@@Tusuperbis Yeah I see some of that where I live. I have a 2014 GMC and frankly while some of the new infotainment looks interesting I find no reason to upgrade as I still have my phone and it connects most of those features through Bluetooth. Frankly only a very significant increase in fuel economy would make me want to trade in now but my truck is paid for and there is nothing more awesome than not having a truck payment every month. I'm keeping my baby until she rusts out or dies.
@@loganholmberg2295 I don't blame you on the no payments! I didn't have any for 4 years until I seen the new 19 bodystyle. I traded in my paid for 12 silverado for a new 18 silverado back in june. It now only has 1400 miles on it. I'll be keeping it probably forever. My cousin has a 14 z71 gmc and he loves it. Traded in a 11 Nissan titan for it and he says that gmc is a keeper!
@@Tusuperbis I went from a 2001 Ford so my 2014 GMC was such an upgrade that I'm still on my honey moon phase with it. lol i only have 30000 km on it so she's still my baby. 😊
I'm amazed by the fact that the two trucks with the biggest wheels had the smoothest rides. I don't know if you are all ready for 3.0L diesels in North America yet, they work much differently than your big gas engines. 3.0L diesels have been used in SUVs and trucks for ages in Europe and Australia and they tow alot more than 7000lbs. You'll get there.
I really like what you guys are doing to get solid info about the different trucks out there to the population. However, I'm still a bit mind blown by the fact that none (that I know of) of multiples reviews about the Ram mention that this air suspension system is faulty in northern regions like Canada for instance. I mean, some of the TFL reviewers are from Ontario so they must of heard about all the troubles that comes with the air suspension on our cold winters. It was not meant to withstand our harsh winters!! It starts to feel like FCA told you guys to not talk about all the problems that people are experiencing with the Ram's air suspension. For those of you still wondering what issues I'm talking about, here are some (a quick google search will confirm all this): - empty suspension on cold mornings - system emptying itself while driving - compressor refuses to fill-up the balloons - frozen block-valve - frozen compressor - unable to use the different riding levels (stuck on a specific setting) - etc! So what gives ? I'd really love to hear you guys talk about it because as you are well aware, the problems are quite real.
Also very informative. The best tech here is the 12 inch screen and air suspension and reclining rear seats is a bonus in the Ram. The Tundra costs less to drive per mile than the GM does. TFL even showed a guy converting to LPG fuel in Europe just to get worse mpg because the fuel was so cheap so he paid less per mile to run his vehicle while getting worse mpg. The same can be said for the Tundra vs the 6.2 GMC. Too many fuel types out there to compare mpg. I know journalists have a traditional need to do this but it no longer makes any sense logically speaking. The Ram uses midgrade, GM uses premium and Tundra uses regular as recommended by their manufacturers. Then there is bio diesel, winter diesel and summer diesel. Now if journalists did this right and compared cost per mile and disclosed what fuel was in the tank when they got the truck and what they put in the tank then mpg and cost per mile could be accurately worked out but that is far too exhausting so we will just continue to see mpg wars and the ignorant move on clueless as to what just happened. Otherwise there was tons of great points in this video.
I love the video but I was trying to follow your math for the comparable mpg. How did you get those numbers. If I add of the other three numbers and then divide by 3. The math doesn’t work. Or am I missing something in how your averages are calculated.
I love these tests it really helps someone choose the very best truck and know all the options and all the information about him this video is very informative
just out of curiosity, how did you calculate your comparable averages? shouldnt ram have a lower fuel consumption than the tundra. every category above the comparable average the ram consumes less gas than the tundra
As always, TFL Truck does a great job with their tests. I really enjoy the thoroughness of the evaluations and the fact that you do a good job of separating the objective from the subjective. I just wish GM would have supplied one of their two trucks with the more commonly purchased, 5.3 liter V-8s. Would also liked to have seen the MPG numbers for the 5.3. Although it seems like everything is pointing to the Ram being my next truck. Ram Limited and GMC Denali are about the same price but I think Ram did a much better job on their interior update IMHO.
and also I love that toyota gave a new tundra to the nurse in california who rescued people from the fire hats down to the nurse and toyota for doing that
I never thought I would buy a turbo charged gas truck because of many bad preconceptions I had about them.,figured they would be unreliable and quirky etc etc. Tried one out and have no interest in the naturally aspirated engines anymore.But I do miss the sound of a v8 ,but do not miss the lack of power a stock v8 has. The low end torque is ridicolous in those turbo charged engines!
To be fair to the TRD Pro no off road course!!! Kinda out of its element going up against fancy trucks. I doubt any of them can do the Baja 1000 without falling apart.
It's out of its class of truck. It's a 4x4 offroad truck and not a towing/work truck. To be fair. And the ford also was out side the class Ae: diesel vs gas. The yoda and ford was out of place for this test.
@@dam1041960 I am looking at this the right way basically Toyota brought a knife to a gunfight considering the Toyota TRD Pro was built for off-road and not Towing
The spread between first and sixth says it all... These are all great trucks. As a consumer pick the strengths that matter to you the most. Thanks for the review.
This was an excellent probably the best test you guys ever did. Now let's come back in 15 years and see exactly who is driving their trucks on the roads...... you guessed it Toyota
Yup but that’s why you don’t and haven’t seen Toyota’s and all the other Japanese trucks on construction fleets cause they won’t handle the abuse that’s they last longer
JMGaming12 there might be some but I been construction and the only companies who use them are landscaping companies that don’t put racks on them even in this video the Toyota squats the lowest I couldn’t imagine that truck with a rack full of 2x12s , don’t get me wrong I wish US made trucks had that reliability but Japanese trucks still aren’t there yet , and truthfully I hope they don’t I like my money to be spent on American products , I do believe it’s sad US vehicles aren’t as reliable as the Japanese I do believe we have the technology to have solid reliable vehicles but they won’t do that cause then more vehicles stay on the roads longer and then they don’t make as much money
Sal Cardenas I prefer to support American workers too so I buy Nissan and Toyota since the Titan is made in Mississippi and the Tundra is made in Texas.
I have a wife, a 17 year old kid and a 90lbs dog. I am looking to get a pickup truck sometime next year 2020. I have watched your videos to try to see which would fit our needs best. The trouble is most all reviews focus on towing. My situation is a little different. My primary purpose is to haul the family and commute to work daily ( about 60/40 city/freeway) nothing extreme, and only about 50 miles a day round trip). The truck aspect is for the occasional trash haul, or helping someone move, or getting plywood at Home Depot for some project. With all that being said, I want the most comfortable room, best fuel economy, reliability, safety and price. What is your recommendation? Thank you
Love the reviews ..... with more buyers switching from sedans to utilitarian vehicles, it’s no surprise the once exclusive creature comforts of luxury cars have made their way into the truck market. Wasn’t too long ago that Single Cab was the only option with Double Cab reserved for duallies with fifth wheel.... now there’s Plush heated/ventilated massaging seats, Sat/Nav, sound deadening, multi zoned climate controlled padded interiors etc etc etc Gone are the bare cabs resting on frames with only a strip of color vinyl on doors & maybe ceiling in a metal box
I wonder how you calculated the average mpg. You didn't simply add them up and divide by 3 (or they would have been much closer). The Denali is definitely a nice truck. But I think if you factor in just how much nicer the Ram is on the interior, it would be my preference. That is where most people spend most of their time. And, the Ram is just a much nicer place to be (without sacrificing any functionality of a truck).
The Toyota did better than expected...until you factor in the two GM trucks. 14% more torque and still 10% better gas mileage is pretty amazing. The 5.3 definetly gets better gas mileage than the 6.2 so I which they had one of those now just for comparison reasons.
Come on Nissan! Others bring in the best engine for the F-150 with their diesel, GM with their 6.2L, why didn't you send them the XD with the Cummings?!!
One option you may consider for scoring is using the Fibonacci Sequence instead of 1-10. Its a more accurate scale. The idea is that someone would have a hard time identifying a quantitative difference between 5 & 6 points. However, we can more accurately identify a difference between 5 & 8 points.
I thought about a 2019 Silverado or a Sierra, around $700 a month for 72 months. No thanks, I will keep my 2004 GMC Sierra SLE 2500 with 88K, I don't need a new one with all the bells and whistles. I will spend the $60K on something that doesn't depreciate like a new truck. JMO
Very well done. This review gives lots of basic but pertinent details that most buyers look out for. Good job. I look forward to seeing the other reviews on these trucks.
My work place had a fleet of about 25 dodge 2500's, the truck wasn't bad but the dealership support was terrible, slow service, unable to get parts. I wouldn't buy anything from Fiat/Chrysler!
To their it’s own personal preference I just like how the ram looks and the tech it comes with and the tradesman is a perfect cheap work horse out of all of them but the service where I live is better than most Chevy and ford dealers
U can do whatever u want but the dealer sucking often isn't an issue with the company. I've been to good Chrysler dealers and terrible ones. My local one knows nothing about heavy duty trucks but if I drive 2 hours there's a dealer that that's almost all they do. Its kinda like if u go to 2 Wendy's and 1 is great the other isn't it's not Wendy's problem. It's a management issue.
Comparing a diesel's performance, capabilities, and efficiency in a group of gas guzzlers is like testing ballistic penetration of a 45ACP vs 300 blackout, 7.62x39 and 5.56. There is no fair chance for the Ford to compete. Couldn't they have just rented an actually gas f150 to test, and make it more of a fair challenge? Would have gotten my thumbs up for effort, that's for sure....
You're assuming Ford knew what the truck was going to be used for. Man, wouldn't it just be nice to tell them, "hey, I'm testing this, and this, and this, vs all these other trucks. Can you give me one that will compete?...." If that were the case, I'm sure you would be seeing a raptor in the lineup instead of a diesel hahahaha. Anyway, wouldn't you agree for the sake of a more accurate comparison, that going the extra mile as automotive journalists to get a comparable vehicle go a long way, and make for better quality content, instead of settling with what you are given?
@@ricko6514 no, Ford picked the vehicle they are trying to push. It was a marketing move, plain and simple. They didnt care if they won anything, they heard Canadian and TFL and figured they'd get in the free camera time. None of these trucks were good for all the tests. The pro4x and trdpro are going to suck ass at towing and MPG, and the others are going to suck ass off road
What the hell are yoll talking about. Its about towing not power. Did you see the ford economy numbers? No, they didn't show it. Cause there biased and ford killed it. That diesel was the best option ruclips.net/video/p0z8DFcPyhM/видео.html
I test drive both Trucks Ram Limited & the GMC Sierra & can’t make up my mind which truck too buy they both are the best trucks out too date for 2019 👍
2019, 2020, 2021 Tundra takes the cake. Not only concerning entry costs, but longevity, reliability, and resellability. I don't see many F-150's going for $15,000 over MSRP like the Tundra.
I tell you what it’s so hard to choose between these trucks they really are making these trucks very nice and durable! I have a 2019 Toyota tundra I just don’t have it loaded out I have the sr with the 5.7 v8. I may not have all the bells and whistles but it’s great for everything I use it for. But for it being the base model it’s very powerful and roomy. But one day I will have a loaded out truck I promise!
(11:08) why is the Chevrolet Silverado stiff and the (11:49) GMC sierra is the best riding one? Are they not the same truck with the same wheel base and the same engine?
Let me be the first to comment this. Who the hell buys a truck for luxury? I understand some perks and features like leather seats, or a smooth ride should be an addition, but I wouldn’t want a Denali simply because I don’t wanna scratch my 80,000 dollar truck. To me, trucks should be rugged with big tires and a lift with a powerful engine. Gotta say Denali, great engine but, really? 80K for a truck hell no
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I ear you bro . Im here
Toyota is the only CERTIFIED 1,000,000 GASOLINE engine miles. Since truck prices are skyrocketing durability is key so you keep it longer.
The dumbest thing people do is trading their trucks in to dealerships. Because you get screwed twice. Overpriced new truck is one. Number two is the under book value you get for your trade in. Dealerships are milking you like a cow 🐄
Why did Tfl have all gas engines with the Ford having a diesel? Not an apples to apples comparison that way.
The Fast Lane Truck is there a USA version of this video?
A big Mistake to all manufacturers their prices are OUT of Reach for the middle class Canadian and American just keep adding 84 months loans
Then your warranty expires half way through the loan process. Then we have to prepare for insane maintenance costs from then on.
So why doesn't Canada make their own pickup truck to compete? By the time all the socialism gets rolled in it won't be any different in price and the truck won't be nearly as good.
@@EGGINFOOLS ...GM,Ford and FCA are also Canadian Companies...They are Domestic Vehicles in Canada !!!
Truck prices in Canada are the same as in America ,reason truck prices are higher in Canada is because Canadians on average make more money ,thus everything is a little more....
Toyota,Nissan,VW,etc are Imports in Canada..GM,Ford,FCA are Domestic !
Furthermore America has as much Socialism as Canada does...Look at your State how many laws and rules,in most cases America has more laws/rules than in Canada..its changing Canada is catching up ,15 years ago Canada had less laws and rules..
***I live in both Countries,born in the U.S lived in Canada with my Mom for a bit then went back/forth to my Dads place ...
Funny,Canada was the Conservative place to be for 12 years while America was a Sociaist hellhole with Obama for 8 !!! Thats what youre getting at,right..
as long as people keep buying them they will keep the prices up! they are offering up to 20% off in the us now to try to unload the year end inventory! but they are still to high!!!!
@@01trsmar In Canada, median household income is only around CAD$70,000 and some change. In US dollars, that's only around $53,000. In the US, median household income is $61,372. That doesn't adjust for living cost, which is much higher in Canada. Canadians gets screwed all around. High prices + Less pay = Canadian living.
Thanks for explaining how the vehicles are provided. That SHOULD clear up most of the questions "how come you didn't have all diesels or all off-road?"
Great video.
You are a superb addition to an already great TFL group of channels.
Yes but they could request All gas or diesel! Stupid randomly throwing in a diesel
@@crazyhass84 As this is true, my take on how this one came to be is "we asked the OEMs to send us a truck to do an all around test. comparison". They simple said bring what you want for this test and that's what they got.
@@TdrSld yes. No shit. I know how it works. Doesnt mean i have to like it.
Nice review. You're a great addition to TFL
GREAT VID! Love these Canadian edition videos and how he tests these vehicles. Stephen seems to be a very honest and fair reviewer! Glad to finally have a Tundra on the scene!
Are you daft? this is the most irrelevant comparison ever ...
Great video. Everyone bashes the Tundra for such bad fuel economy, I was happy to see, there wasn’t much difference between them.
Mike MacNeil of course not. Big trucks regardless of the tech will suck down gas due to their size it’s just physics!
Sukhraj Dhillon which one is good us trucks 2019 ford nope ram nope Chevy and gmc GM nope Titan maybe
I understand that the automakers choose which truck to send you but that creates a dilemma. Your comparing apples to oranges. I think you should request a more level playing field from them. There's a Tundra with (amazing) off road fox shocks going up against a Ram on bags, a little diesel going up against a huge 6.2L.. just way to many variances...
Mike, that's the only thing the haters can bash on the Tundra. They can't both on it's solid build/reliability or it's fantastic resale value so they cry that its a gas hog...guess what? So is every other truck. We don't buy these for fuel economy.
And that was with the TRD PRO, which undeniably gets the worst mileage out of the entire lineup of trims. This is my biggest complaint with TFL. They seem to exclusively test the TRD PRO Tundras and then knock the truck for being what it is designed for. Especially in an ON ROAD test of capabilities. The TRD SPORT is the truck they should have tested here. Or a platinum/1794. The biggest knock of the truck was it's off road tuned suspension in a hauling test.... Like ... Duh.
To Fast Lane Truck bosses, don't lose this guy. He has the very best reviews out of all your hosts. As a matter of fact, give him a raise!
True
I agree. He is my favourite automotive reviewer/presenter
I’m a Ford man but I can’t deny that the RAM is definitely the best looking truck of the bunch. (My opinion)
Chevy/gmc guy here and I agree.
Agree minus the rims. IMO the RAM's and GMC's rims are just horrific. I miss the simple 5/6 spoke design. I do really like the look of the Ford's rims, and that's coming from a GM fan.
That Gmc Was Best Looking In My Opinion
Toyota TRD off road looks the best my opinion
chev exterior and ram interior
Hey bud. Ya know, I must say, you’re one of the best reviewers on RUclips right now.... Keep the videos coming man! 👍🏼
Ford shouldn't have sent that diesel.That's like sending a dog to a lion fight.
Charles Hill that diesels nickname is the lion though hahahah.
Hey Steven ,you got that right.I been a F150 man all of my driving days.my first Ford was a '73 F100 red with the red stripes across the bottoms and chrome hubcaps and the 302 engine.
Little diesels are all about fuel economy not horsepower and torque. As luck would have it the shitbox couldn't communicate through the OBD port and the one category they could have taken was lost.
Ford trucks will always be #1 to me.
@@scottfurlong5475 I know what you saying I'm a Ford man all way.I had just had hoped they would have sent one with the ecoboost or 5.0.
Stephen the truck man is in the housseeeeee!!!!!!!!!
Great video!
FINALLY a Tundra involved. Thank YOU!
Unfortunately they used an pro version.
Jay Trock - unfortunately, that’s what Toyota sent them
@@michael1326 👍🏻
Right! They hate JDM man it's stupid
@@michael1326 actually they pick them out
TRD Pro For Me. Looks the best, offloads the best, has the best resale, most reliable, has everything you need and nothing you don't
Evan Hasson it’s nit a truck, it’s a car with a bed, 15 year old interior, sluggish drivetrains, and resale is not the best, an 08 Silverado costs similar prices to a 2008 tundra, Toyota is years away from the big 3
It looks like 17 people agree with me and none with you. How can you tell me the Tundra isn't a truck lol. Its a dated interior with everything someone needs and a V8 that will make 650 horsepower supercharged. Even supercharged its still over 10,000 less than the competition @@jaredchampagne2752
Evan Hasson your comment is 4 weeks old and is a main comment not a side comment of course it has a couple likes from fan boys. Most people that comment on stuff on RUclips just hate on stuff they can’t afford, but I’ve driven them all. Okay, so you agree it’s a dated interior, it’s a dated truck, it’s sluggish, the body panels make it look like a crossover SUV, the big 3 have all the basics AND more! Why wouldn’t you go with the big 3, they’re tried and true, you don’t see commercial companies using Toyota’s do you? No because they’re for yuppies that should be driving a car but want a truck to fit in. A tundra is what ford Chevy and dodge were 15 years ago. There’s a reason that ford and Chevy sell 100 pickups to 1 Toyota, they can’t hold up to the same abuse as American trucks, you want to claim power? If you’re going that route, Chevy LS motors can handle 1000hp stock with a few bolt ons and be daily driveable lol. Of course any v8 can be supercharged, itd be weird if it couldn’t. You get what you pay for, a Tundra is a car with a bed.
Not sluggish actually, its faster than some of these trucks equipped with their respective diesels, tiny ass v6's and even V8's. You see the problem with "more" is that it opens the door for more reliability problems. There is a reason Toyota truck are so damn reliable and its because they don't have a bunch of extra nannies. It looks nothing like a crossover SUV and you couldn't even come up with an argument for that. You may want to get your eyes checked. Commercial companies don't use Toyota trucks because they want to support the American market. Also, the American truck brands have incentive deals for large fleets, something Toyota does not do. Ford, Dodge, and Chevy were nothing like the Tundra fifteen years ago because they broke down a lot. Also, the tacoma is the number 1 selling midsized pickup so I do not where you got that statistic. You are correct that a chevy could make that much power, its just that it is more expensive and less reliable power. Also, THE Ballistic BJ Baldwin drive a Tundra, as does Mark Owen from Seal Team Six and I'm sure you wouldn't tell it to either of their faces that they drive a car haha. One more, can a car tow a space ship, I think not. ruclips.net/video/3weSO1I5hrE/видео.html @@jaredchampagne2752
And TRD stands for TURD
Stephen, you're a breathe of fresh air. All of your reviews are very thorough, informative and honest. TFL is lucky to have you on the team. The content that y'all are putting out is spectacular and is certainly helping all of us make informative decisions when it comes to our next truck purchase. Thanks for all of your hard work!
I wanna see base models the cheapest from every brand
22chachalaca more reasonable to the average audience, not everyone has an extra 10-15k to drop on a top option or extras
I still like the dinosaur Tundra ✌✌👍👍
The tundra is not going to break
The tundra has nothing to offer against American trucks. But I can agree it is a good truck
10/10 if i where to buy another truck it would be a tundra, i love my chevy, but ive heard great things about the tundra
austin warnke It offers reliability. For me that’s important as I keep my vehicles for the long run.
austin warnke I don’t know about good looking the tundra is ok looking
On my book the Tundra Trd pro beats all of those trucks any day because of how reliable it is and how good it feels using it off road and even cruising on the Highway
Hell of a job, Stephen! Your videos are the best. Non-biased, and honest. Well done, sir!
That Toyota blue is drawing me in like a mosquito to the bug zapper, I don't want to like ittttttt!
Agreed!
GREAT review I so appreciate concise no bull and fluff talk about feeling. Just plain scores on REAL world comparison on thing people would do with there trucks. With no loud music blaring in the background when the presenter is talking. Thank you so much for hard work on this. Please keep up the GREAT work you guy's are doing on TFL !!!
Yeah I agree with another commenter below, more snow! Jeep in snow, trucks in snow, snow in snow...snow stuff and cars is sorely lacking on the RUclips review scene as far as I can tell.
The snow is coming, so don't you worry, I'll be doing plenty of snowy tests!
Plus cold start videos.
@@SelmerVidz1 Nice can't wait to see!!
One time I got my old 2005 GMC half ton extended cab stuck about 4 miles up a snow covered dirt road in Montana, called a friend to come pull me out, he got stuck, so we both called a tow truck company which happened to be the same one, so the tow truck guy drives from an hour away and gets my friend out, and then got too scared to come further out to where I was so he left, and at this time it was about midnight or so. So I sleep in my truck and then in the morning I call again so they send out 2 guys from the same tow company and they bring up 2 snowmobiles and a tow truck, well they were too scared to bring the tow truck up to me so they come pick me and my dog up on the snowmobiles and by this time it's been 24 hours since I left home and had anything to eat or drink. So they get me on the snowmobiles and we leave my truck there and they drive me home. So then they drive an hour back home and the next day they bring a more capable 4x4 tow truck the next day and pull my truck out and then drop it off to me in town lol. So between 3 tow trucks and 3 different days I racked up a $1,600 (USD) tow bill, but I made my insurance cover it so that was cool. But yeah life lesson, don't go too crazy driving around in the snow, it gets expensive.
Can you guys do the same thing for a 3/4 ton truck?
Yes, but it will be next year.
The Asian people don't have a 3/4 ton truck
I would like the same type of video for the smaller ones but, I realize we need some more time to get us a TFL Ford Ranger!
Ken Hughes lmao Toyota and Nissan can't even make a big boy truck
@@kenhughes9437 So?
Nothing but Toyota truck for me. I am not rich like some guys are here. I buy stuff and keep it for long long time. I can't comment on any other vehicle coz I only have had toyota in my life. I had used celica in my college time but Once, I started working full time I bought me 2001 tacoma which I just traded in for 2019 tundra 2 months ago. I had 326k miles on tacoma with nothing changed except 1 o2 sensor and oil, tire.
Same transmission fluid, never added. Same brake fluid, never topped it off. same power steering fluid, never topped it off. I have done nothing on truck except tire, oil and gas and 1 o2 sensor.
2001 Solara, I still have it, its my daily driver 260k miles. Same story, nothing done except tire, oil and gas and once in 5 years or so I add bottle of fuel cleaner. That's about it. Best part is, it still drives like just broken in.
These 2 vehicle never gave me any problem. I was payment free for almost 14 years and only liability on vehicle, so my insurance was really low. I paid my house off with that saving.
Also, I was able to buy tundra with trade in tacoma and Cash. No loan. And, I have always made less than 50k in my life.
If I was rich, may be i'd go for some fancy stuff but Toyota keeps me debt free.
ps, i forgot to mention brake pads and batteries changed here and there.
That's true that's why I'm switching to Toyota and currently have a Lexus LS400 1998 got it for 3k no issues at all 200k on it and getting a tundra now
Great video. I'm an F150 fan and will admit this new 3.0 PSD is a bit of a let down. Do you think the F150 would have scored higher if it had the 3.5 Ecoboost or the 5.0?
Hopefully next year all the trucks will have their v6 turbo diesels. Than that will be a good comparison. And yes, the f150 would have had a higher score with the 3.5 no doubt.
Yes definitely
Yea the F150 Limited should have been in this ... most definitely would have finished top 2 imo
Nope there just biased as hell. That ford took the win. They can't admit it.
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Very informative Stephen. Great job 👍🏻
Their prices are totally ridiculous!!!! Outrageous!!! I just bought a Nissan Frontier and I’m so happy.
I bet my bottom dollar there was no issue with the Ford ECU communicating with the device. Ford said they didn't want their MPG listed. Typical Ford move.
Do you think it’s because the milage isn’t as good as its advertised ?
It's because all diesels overreport their mpg. Just look at the VW scandal from a few years back.
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There's no numbers cause there biased. Ford won that
I love my 2008 Tundra 5.7L 4X4. Plain, boring, but reliable. 178K miles now and have only replace the water pump and basic maintenance/tune up. It is sad that Toyota didn't change anything for a decade so i'll hold onto mine for now. I know it'll take me to the edge of the world and back safely.
Vince Phan yeah they could at least do a major update just to stay competitive
@@christopherbrown1391 Would love it if they threw the 3.5L V6 Twin Turbo from the LS500. I get pretty bad fuel economy, 12mpg now that it's lifted with 35s. 2020 Toyota should revise the Tundra
Yeah I bet Toyota can go a lot of different routes can update the 5.7 drop the 3.5 and also do a 10speed and 8speed trans it’s all about options and Lexus luxury also.
Question on the MPG (US chart), you state that the RAM and the Toy both got the same on empty and with a payload, but then the Ram got .8MPG better with towing.... how did the Toyota get a .7 better average?
The total average MPG was also calculated wrong. Rerun the #s to get the averages again.
Just wanted to say great job with comentary, catching the needed details and keeping the flow not to drag things out with such an obvious large task. You are my favorite truck guys these days...thanks.
Thumbs up for the Tundra pro!!
Awesome job Steven. Glad they picked you up. Your reviews and content never disappoint
these are great, but i would still get the tundra for reliability, if you plan on keeping it for years when your lan is paid off it will be the truck that has broken down the less and still keep for more years to come
John S thats strange i myself have had 2 tacomas and both had no issues at all other then brakes and normal wear and i know two people with tundras a 2007 and a 2013 and both have had no issues. i guess things can happen but toyota is known for reliability, they do have their problems but toyota stands behind their products unlike some other brands.
Why is Chevy been voted most dependable truck since 1987?
@@dklein8207 ford and dodge also claim to be the most dependable.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix yeah but Chevy has been voted it by JD power and associates
@@dklein8207 but in the real world it was just opposite where I work in the oil field we had Chevys Fords Dodges and Tundras Tundras were the only ones that never broke down everything else broke down at some point and had to be taken to the dealership to be fixed. JD Power and Associates is paid off by different manufacturers anyway I wouldn't trust a word they say
Wow you've really taken this channel to a higher level. Really enjoyed your work on the other site your used to work for. But tfl is a great addition with your work.
Ouch. They used the crappy new f-150 diesel motor. Oh well. I want to see more reveiws of the coyote 5.0.
Benton Kranz Ford sent them this truck. They didn’t pick it.
I want to see the 2.7, fastest and most fuel efficient engine choice from what I hear.
GMC would still win with it's great 6.2L V8
@@dedalliance1 only when there is no 3.5 ecoboost twin turbo with the 10-speed.
Benton Kranz agree more 5.0 reviews!!!
How did you calculated the average fuel consumption? I'm no mathematician, but I learned that you add the 3 numbers then divide by 3. None of your averages do this, except for the Tundra in MPG (15.4). Also, what about the price? Paying top dollar for 1st place isn't always a win. Points should be awarded for lower pricing and better financing options.
Excited to see the next Canadian Truck king challenge.
I purchased a 2020 GMC 1500 Denali ultimate 6.2l after watching every RUclips review and this video sealed the deal.
This was one month after the pandemic and knew prices would be going up.
Thanks for your content!
If only I had knew I was purchasing a travel trailer a few months later I probably would have went with a 2500 gas. (The truck still does the job)
The Titan and Toyota have great off road capabilities...how did you think the ride would be compared to the Denali?
I think they should have had 1 more test...off road like they showed in the beginning of the video. Through mud holes lol...they definitely would have moved up the ranks.
The manufacturers messed up sending off road packages for a test that included towing.
This is one of the best truck test/reviews. This is how it should be done; put them to work. Keep up the good job!
Instantly disappointed when they showed the Ford with the diesel. Would be interesting with the high output 3.5 or even the base 3.5
Randy Potato - ford sent the diesel, get mad at them.
Yeah, why compare a Diesel to the regular gas motors?
Cause on the diesel, the fuel mileage didn't really change. With out a load or with a load, mileage was consistent. Thats why they didn't have numbers on ford. Biased
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Check this out. Diesel power.
@@michael1326 not mad at all, just wish it was the gas
Can't help but Think the Tundra would have rated higher if it was the TRD Sport. Completely different suspension and ride compared to TRD PRO.
The suspension is bilstien shocks and I think Michellen att. It's actually cheaper to get the shocks installed and better att tires installed separately than it is to get the tdr sport. The only real reason to get the sport is the lock differentials. But that really matters if your going rock crawling
Thank you guys for providing another outstanding objective and subjective video. Yes I'm a Ford guy and would love to have seen the Ford come out on top, but I'm an automotive enthusiastic before a Ford fan and I'm glad to see how the outcome was. Very deserving. Good job guys
I like Stephen，keep up the good work！
Did you factor in price in your decision? The reason I ask is I can pick up a Titan Pro4x for $45-50k CAD, whereas a GMC Denali is $65+CAD (and not even a power passenger seat). When the Titan's capacities far exceed my needs, the extra $20Gs for a comparable GMC or Ram becomes a hard sell for me.
Exactly. Especially when there is only a 7.5 point spread between the Titan and those top 2 contenders.
Just an observation... you said that the Toyota had better overall fuel numbers than the RAM, but the individual test points for each of them are danged near identical, with the empty and towing being better in the RAM. How is it the comparable average is worse for the RAM than the Toyota?
Thanks for your response,
-Roger
Hey Roger,
Here is an explanation from the outfit responsible for the fuel economy chart:
"The comparable average does not average the fuel consumption values for the three test trips but rather uses the sum of the fuel consumed divided by the sum of the trip distances for all three trips, multiplied by 100. Essentially, this ensures that all fuel consumed and distance driven is accounted for."
Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@SelmerVidz1 Hi Stephen, was there excess idling time for the Ram or something? It's strange that individual tests show better fuel economy, but lower overall. I know the EPA numbers are slightly better for the Ram than the Tundra (Tundra shows near the button on these metrics usually because it's still using a 6 speed automatic.) Just looking for clarity.
Love all these trucks. Love y'all doing this test. Thank u. Now which truck is gonna cost me less in repairs fo 10-15 years
Calling it fair, I would put 5.3 Chevy, and 5.0 Ford in this test. But great test! There is no bad trucks, it all depends on what your needs are.
monsword what both chevy and gmc were 6.2’s ?
That 5.0l dohc Ford motor probably weighs more then the 6.2l ohv v8.
There's a difference guys
It wasn't fair. The ford won the fuel economy by far. There just biased
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What a fantastic review! So much time and effort put into this. Thank you!
So the thing people want to know. How good fuel economy is with the diesel and you don't have any info. Top it off you didn't go back and rerun the test on the f150 to the mileage numbers. Good one guys really good.
Randy Thompson Right now diesel is $0.87 more than gas per gallon. IF the diesel got 9mpg more than the gas (and it’ll only get around 4-6 more) it would be even in dollars per mile. So you are loosing money with the diesel (and power and torque) not including the cost of the def, or higher oil change cost, or higher cost to purchase the Diesel engine. The way I see it, the absolute ONLY advantage of the diesel right now is more range on a single tank of gas. And my bladder can’t outlast a 30gal tank of gas getting 20mpg.
@@williamumbach592 my statement wasn't about costs it was about a failure by a tester to do the test properly and finish the test with actual results. Don't you think that running the test again with working equipment was in order?
Randy Thompson agree totally.
They don't have it cause ford was the best fuel economy. They're to biased.
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The Tundra is probably the oldest one out of all of them intern of Powertrains, but I still prefer the Tundra.
Thanks just picked up my gmc yesterday. Love it .
Not quite sure what GM was thinking when they designed these things; but they sure helped make the 2007 (2014 refreshed) Tundra look downright handsome in comparison. Give the Tundra the 6 lug wheels it needs and I'd put it third place behind Ram and F150.
I wouldn't touch the Ram with the air ride with a 10 foot poll. My Dad has a 2016 with the air ride and it does not like cold weather, He has taken it in 3 times for months of repair work (waiting for parts) because it likes to fail at temperatures lower than -20C. And when he took it in there were other trucks there with the same problem as well. At least 2 of the times the entire system had to be replaced. Thankfully it was still under warranty. Note it was so bad the truck had to be towed 70 km to the dealership because the truck was undriveable.
@John S What I am worried about is what does my Dad do when the warranty runs out and it happens again? They extended the warranty by a year because of this but if they haven't fixěd the issue properly it's just going to end up back in the shop at some point.
that's the problem with the Ram and Ford trucks. They are cashing in on the "yuppie gadget crowd" with all the technology. This stuff ends up being unreliable and expensive to fix down the road. A lot of people around where I live look at Ford and Ram as trucks you just lease but, never buy.
@@Tusuperbis Yeah I see some of that where I live. I have a 2014 GMC and frankly while some of the new infotainment looks interesting I find no reason to upgrade as I still have my phone and it connects most of those features through Bluetooth. Frankly only a very significant increase in fuel economy would make me want to trade in now but my truck is paid for and there is nothing more awesome than not having a truck payment every month. I'm keeping my baby until she rusts out or dies.
@@loganholmberg2295 I don't blame you on the no payments! I didn't have any for 4 years until I seen the new 19 bodystyle. I traded in my paid for 12 silverado for a new 18 silverado back in june. It now only has 1400 miles on it. I'll be keeping it probably forever. My cousin has a 14 z71 gmc and he loves it. Traded in a 11 Nissan titan for it and he says that gmc is a keeper!
@@Tusuperbis I went from a 2001 Ford so my 2014 GMC was such an upgrade that I'm still on my honey moon phase with it. lol i only have 30000 km on it so she's still my baby. 😊
It's so nice to see a video full of truck drivers using their blinkers for once..
Love those new gmc’s I think all those trucks deserved their rank
I'm amazed by the fact that the two trucks with the biggest wheels had the smoothest rides. I don't know if you are all ready for 3.0L diesels in North America yet, they work much differently than your big gas engines. 3.0L diesels have been used in SUVs and trucks for ages in Europe and Australia and they tow alot more than 7000lbs. You'll get there.
Outstanding review, Stephen.
I really like what you guys are doing to get solid info about the different trucks out there to the population.
However, I'm still a bit mind blown by the fact that none (that I know of) of multiples reviews about the Ram mention that this air suspension system is faulty in northern regions like Canada for instance. I mean, some of the TFL reviewers are from Ontario so they must of heard about all the troubles that comes with the air suspension on our cold winters. It was not meant to withstand our harsh winters!!
It starts to feel like FCA told you guys to not talk about all the problems that people are experiencing with the Ram's air suspension. For those of you still wondering what issues I'm talking about, here are some (a quick google search will confirm all this):
- empty suspension on cold mornings
- system emptying itself while driving
- compressor refuses to fill-up the balloons
- frozen block-valve
- frozen compressor
- unable to use the different riding levels (stuck on a specific setting)
- etc!
So what gives ? I'd really love to hear you guys talk about it because as you are well aware, the problems are quite real.
Also very informative. The best tech here is the 12 inch screen and air suspension and reclining rear seats is a bonus in the Ram. The Tundra costs less to drive per mile than the GM does. TFL even showed a guy converting to LPG fuel in Europe just to get worse mpg because the fuel was so cheap so he paid less per mile to run his vehicle while getting worse mpg. The same can be said for the Tundra vs the 6.2 GMC. Too many fuel types out there to compare mpg. I know journalists have a traditional need to do this but it no longer makes any sense logically speaking. The Ram uses midgrade, GM uses premium and Tundra uses regular as recommended by their manufacturers. Then there is bio diesel, winter diesel and summer diesel. Now if journalists did this right and compared cost per mile and disclosed what fuel was in the tank when they got the truck and what they put in the tank then mpg and cost per mile could be accurately worked out but that is far too exhausting so we will just continue to see mpg wars and the ignorant move on clueless as to what just happened.
Otherwise there was tons of great points in this video.
I love the video but I was trying to follow your math for the comparable mpg. How did you get those numbers. If I add of the other three numbers and then divide by 3. The math doesn’t work. Or am I missing something in how your averages are calculated.
Finally we have Tundra !!!!!!!!!
Thanks!!!
It's in the antique division
Right! I was so excited. I love my tundra
I love these tests it really helps someone choose the very best truck and know all the options and all the information about him this video is very informative
Should have used a TRD off road Tundra for the test imo.The Pro was made for a different crowd.
just out of curiosity, how did you calculate your comparable averages? shouldnt ram have a lower fuel consumption than the tundra. every category above the comparable average the ram consumes less gas than the tundra
Yeah it does and it consumes less gas then the both 6.2s and 5.6 but not the powerstroke
If they had done a comparison of the interiors the ram defenitly would have won.
As always, TFL Truck does a great job with their tests. I really enjoy the thoroughness of the evaluations and the fact that you do a good job of separating the objective from the subjective. I just wish GM would have supplied one of their two trucks with the more commonly purchased, 5.3 liter V-8s. Would also liked to have seen the MPG numbers for the 5.3. Although it seems like everything is pointing to the Ram being my next truck. Ram Limited and GMC Denali are about the same price but I think Ram did a much better job on their interior update IMHO.
I didn't see that one coming
but being a toyota fanboi I'd still take the tundra
and also I love that toyota gave a new tundra to the nurse in california who rescued people from the fire
hats down to the nurse and toyota for doing that
I never thought I would buy a turbo charged gas truck because of many bad preconceptions I had about them.,figured they would be unreliable and quirky etc etc. Tried one out and have no interest in the naturally aspirated engines anymore.But I do miss the sound of a v8 ,but do not miss the lack of power a stock v8 has. The low end torque is ridicolous in those turbo charged engines!
Gmc is great, Ram is awesome, but I will buy Tundra, because reliability is number 1.
Stephen thank you for this great review!! Finally all the Truck makes together to give us all a great comparison.. very informative.
To be fair to the TRD Pro no off road course!!! Kinda out of its element going up against fancy trucks. I doubt any of them can do the Baja 1000 without falling apart.
It's out of its class of truck. It's a 4x4 offroad truck and not a towing/work truck. To be fair. And the ford also was out side the class Ae: diesel vs gas. The yoda and ford was out of place for this test.
dam1041960 I agree so not a very good comparison if you ask me.
The Toyota TRD Pro off-road would have kicked ass out of all these trucks
@@gregpavitt309 maybe in the off road segment but not the on road towing. You are not looking at it this in the right way.
@@dam1041960 I am looking at this the right way basically Toyota brought a knife to a gunfight considering the Toyota TRD Pro was built for off-road and not Towing
The spread between first and sixth says it all... These are all great trucks. As a consumer pick the strengths that matter to you the most. Thanks for the review.
This was an excellent probably the best test you guys ever did. Now let's come back in 15 years and see exactly who is driving their trucks on the roads...... you guessed it Toyota
And Nissan
Yup but that’s why you don’t and haven’t seen Toyota’s and all the other Japanese trucks on construction fleets cause they won’t handle the abuse that’s they last longer
Sal Cardenas local construction company near me has a fleet of 15 Titans and Tundras and they’ve had the same trucks forever it seems like
JMGaming12 there might be some but I been construction and the only companies who use them are landscaping companies that don’t put racks on them even in this video the Toyota squats the lowest I couldn’t imagine that truck with a rack full of 2x12s , don’t get me wrong I wish US made trucks had that reliability but Japanese trucks still aren’t there yet , and truthfully I hope they don’t I like my money to be spent on American products , I do believe it’s sad US vehicles aren’t as reliable as the Japanese I do believe we have the technology to have solid reliable vehicles but they won’t do that cause then more vehicles stay on the roads longer and then they don’t make as much money
Sal Cardenas I prefer to support American workers too so I buy Nissan and Toyota since the Titan is made in Mississippi and the Tundra is made in Texas.
Good test. When I bought new three years ago, I tested all, and bought F150. But, I could have gone with any of them.
Awesome video all great looking trucks wow what a surprise ending 👍🔧🔧
I have a wife, a 17 year old kid and a 90lbs dog. I am looking to get a pickup truck sometime next year 2020. I have watched your videos to try to see which would fit our needs best. The trouble is most all reviews focus on towing. My situation is a little different. My primary purpose is to haul the family and commute to work daily ( about 60/40 city/freeway) nothing extreme, and only about 50 miles a day round trip). The truck aspect is for the occasional trash haul, or helping someone move, or getting plywood at Home Depot for some project.
With all that being said, I want the most comfortable room, best fuel economy, reliability, safety and price. What is your recommendation?
Thank you
Glad you included a tundra. Unfortunately you didn’t out it in any tests it was meant for
Love the reviews ..... with more buyers switching from sedans to utilitarian vehicles, it’s no surprise the once exclusive creature comforts of luxury cars have made their way into the truck market. Wasn’t too long ago that Single Cab was the only option with Double Cab reserved for duallies with fifth wheel.... now there’s Plush heated/ventilated massaging seats, Sat/Nav, sound deadening, multi zoned climate controlled padded interiors etc etc etc
Gone are the bare cabs resting on frames with only a strip of color vinyl on doors & maybe ceiling in a metal box
This is a great test and video! Thank you!
My dad has a 2017 Nissan Titan with a Cummings Turbo Diesel Engine and it is a awesome truck
1EPICGAMER 1 I heard gas is better
@@tbonecoop8646 eh, it depends, usually Diesel is better if you do a lot of hauling
Your talking about the XD though right?
@@tbonecoop8646 Yes
Definitely like the truck I would honestly choose gas over diesel because of the stuff I’ve seen
Awesome content guys! This is what it is about! Glad you included everyone.
I think fords diesel would be good if the hp was higher... I think good numbers would be about 310-320,hp. The tq isnt bad, but lacking power.
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Doesn't need more hp for towing
@@draintech5191 makes me feel better for sure. It just sucks that ram's ecodiesel is so much more efficient, with more power. Anyways. Thanks.
I wonder how you calculated the average mpg. You didn't simply add them up and divide by 3 (or they would have been much closer).
The Denali is definitely a nice truck. But I think if you factor in just how much nicer the Ram is on the interior, it would be my preference. That is where most people spend most of their time. And, the Ram is just a much nicer place to be (without sacrificing any functionality of a truck).
So the Tundra is not the lowest scoring on MPG... 🤣
MaxiiBoii ikr I was surprised by that.
Good to know considering that i just bought one!
Definitely was suprised by that given that they and Honda really dominate MPG out there.. really surprising
The two fake hood scoops on top of each other must help🤣
The Toyota did better than expected...until you factor in the two GM trucks.
14% more torque and still 10% better gas mileage is pretty amazing. The 5.3 definetly gets better gas mileage than the 6.2 so I which they had one of those now just for comparison reasons.
Would like data on long term reliability and cost of ownership. Do these trucks stand up to our bad roads and harsh operating conditions?
Come on Nissan! Others bring in the best engine for the F-150 with their diesel, GM with their 6.2L, why didn't you send them the XD with the Cummings?!!
One option you may consider for scoring is using the Fibonacci Sequence instead of 1-10. Its a more accurate scale. The idea is that someone would have a hard time identifying a quantitative difference between 5 & 6 points. However, we can more accurately identify a difference between 5 & 8 points.
Holy Sh...... my first house cost about 20,000$ less than the cheapest truck, and these trucks lose about 20,000$ a year in value.
It's so messed up. Market is out of control...auto manufactures are laughing all the way to the bank.
Inflation/deflation is making us slaves.
You must live in a dump
I thought about a 2019 Silverado or a Sierra, around $700 a month for 72 months. No thanks, I will keep my 2004 GMC Sierra SLE 2500 with 88K, I don't need a new one with all the bells and whistles. I will spend the $60K on something that doesn't depreciate like a new truck. JMO
Yep that’s why especially now never buy new. Let someone else take the hit and then buy it when it’s about 2-3 years old.
Very well done. This review gives lots of basic but pertinent details that most buyers look out for. Good job.
I look forward to seeing the other reviews on these trucks.
My work place had a fleet of about 25 dodge 2500's, the truck wasn't bad but the dealership support was terrible, slow service, unable to get parts. I wouldn't buy anything from Fiat/Chrysler!
To their it’s own personal preference I just like how the ram looks and the tech it comes with and the tradesman is a perfect cheap work horse out of all of them but the service where I live is better than most Chevy and ford dealers
U can do whatever u want but the dealer sucking often isn't an issue with the company. I've been to good Chrysler dealers and terrible ones. My local one knows nothing about heavy duty trucks but if I drive 2 hours there's a dealer that that's almost all they do. Its kinda like if u go to 2 Wendy's and 1 is great the other isn't it's not Wendy's problem. It's a management issue.
So far my dealer is pretty good. No complaints at all.
Good job you legit got every half tom truck and included the best models.
Comparing a diesel's performance, capabilities, and efficiency in a group of gas guzzlers is like testing ballistic penetration of a 45ACP vs 300 blackout, 7.62x39 and 5.56. There is no fair chance for the Ford to compete. Couldn't they have just rented an actually gas f150 to test, and make it more of a fair challenge? Would have gotten my thumbs up for effort, that's for sure....
Why should they compensate for Fords stupidity?
You're assuming Ford knew what the truck was going to be used for. Man, wouldn't it just be nice to tell them, "hey, I'm testing this, and this, and this, vs all these other trucks. Can you give me one that will compete?...." If that were the case, I'm sure you would be seeing a raptor in the lineup instead of a diesel hahahaha. Anyway, wouldn't you agree for the sake of a more accurate comparison, that going the extra mile as automotive journalists to get a comparable vehicle go a long way, and make for better quality content, instead of settling with what you are given?
@@ricko6514 no, Ford picked the vehicle they are trying to push. It was a marketing move, plain and simple. They didnt care if they won anything, they heard Canadian and TFL and figured they'd get in the free camera time. None of these trucks were good for all the tests. The pro4x and trdpro are going to suck ass at towing and MPG, and the others are going to suck ass off road
What the hell are yoll talking about. Its about towing not power. Did you see the ford economy numbers? No, they didn't show it. Cause there biased and ford killed it. That diesel was the best option
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I test drive both Trucks Ram Limited & the GMC Sierra & can’t make up my mind which truck too buy they both are the best trucks out too date for 2019 👍
2019 Ford Limited,lol.
Use tundra 1794 edition instead of TRD pro
Kelly Uchenna why
Tbone Coop because that is the best trim model Toyota Tundra ever had. Best of all!
Tbone Coop I owns a 2018 tundra 1794 edition so I know how smooth the beast ride!
What’s the difference between that and a normal Tundra
Tbone Coop the ride quality and how polished the interior even the chrome because I love chrome in a pickup trucks!
2019, 2020, 2021 Tundra takes the cake. Not only concerning entry costs, but longevity, reliability, and resellability. I don't see many F-150's going for $15,000 over MSRP like the Tundra.
Wow the pricing is crazy!!😱😱
I tell you what it’s so hard to choose between these trucks they really are making these trucks very nice and durable! I have a 2019 Toyota tundra I just don’t have it loaded out I have the sr with the 5.7 v8. I may not have all the bells and whistles but it’s great for everything I use it for. But for it being the base model it’s very powerful and roomy. But one day I will have a loaded out truck I promise!
WOW DUDE !!! You sound quite disappointed when talking about that Ford! I was really shocked to see you score it better than the Nissan & Toyota!
(11:08) why is the Chevrolet Silverado stiff and the (11:49) GMC sierra is the best riding one?
Are they not the same truck with the same wheel base and the same engine?
Even in the same model there can be differences. Maybe ones got the Bilstein and one's got the Gabriels. Gotta look underneath to know for sure.
Let me be the first to comment this. Who the hell buys a truck for luxury? I understand some perks and features like leather seats, or a smooth ride should be an addition, but I wouldn’t want a Denali simply because I don’t wanna scratch my 80,000 dollar truck. To me, trucks should be rugged with big tires and a lift with a powerful engine. Gotta say Denali, great engine but, really? 80K for a truck hell no
Michael Brubaker I use to say the same thing but I owe a Denali now and I wouldn’t give it up for anything.
Some people arent po'
I do!!!! Lol. I wanted a nice daily driver that I could tow with.
That's my 18' tundra twice plus $4000 yippy I love my tundra !
johnnyz yeah tundras are good trucks