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What's The BEST Half-Ton Truck Engine? Here’s Your Expert Buyer’s Guide!
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In this episode of TFL Talkin' Trucks, Andre and Nathan discuss all the various engines you can get across the whole market of half-ton trucks. Some choices like the Ford F-150 have a bewildering number of engines, and in this podcast we aim to give. you everything you need to know to make the best buying decision.
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Guys, you've developed a great channel here - thank you! One suggestion: for longer videos like this, add timing markers (my description, not RUclips's) with subjects. I'm starting to see this on more channels and it's a huge timesaver for the viewer. For this video, I would want to hone in on specific engines for your feedback, rather than fishing my way through the whole hour+ for those insights. Now.. hopefully this isn't a user error on my part. If it is, I'm sure I'll hear about it in the comments. :)
No one can turn a 7 minute video into a 1 hour and 7 minute video like these guys.
Great comment.
Andre and Nathan have a smoother conversational chemistry than Roman and... well, anybody. Not dissing Roman, who is awesome for having built all the TFL channels; we all have our strengths and weaknesses. A & N simply have a rapport that make their podcasts easier to digest.
Great content, informative and entertaining. Thanks guys!
Couldn’t have said it better. More Nathan, less Roman!
Roman comes across as a douchebag 90% of the time..
Beyond bias.
No apologies.
Interesting observation , I agree.
This was a very smooth and informative conversation.
Good show guys.
Roman has to look out for the entire team as the manager and unfortunately sucks on camera. He is a good business person but not someone the audience wants to hear from, keep him behind the scenes.
True
I work in sales for Ford. If a customer has any questions or doubts about trucks, I send them to TFL. They always appreciate it. This is the reason why, honest opinion about trucks. Towing, MPG, and even talk.
I have been following you guys for a while and I appreciate you guys! Take care.
Thats weird this 2 guys didnt choose the coyote that engine its been proven and good mpg even ford mechanics voted coyote for their choice 😁🤷♂️
@@michoacanom4320 well what do you expect ford mechanics to say lol
@@bryan70546 all the mechanics i onow choose the coyote over EcoBoost even chevy fan boys will choose the coyote and are affraid when they race one 😂🤣🤭 the first thing they ask me its that a 10sp coyote? Im like yes they go naw i dont race you no more 🤣🤣😂😂
If you want turbo lag and unreliability... then a Ford engine is for you!
@@michoacanom4320 I had a 17 GT 5.0 yea I would choose it over any ford motor too. But that was the only good part about the car the rest was meh.
TFL needs another channel. The Affordable Lane.
What would the content be? 20 year old used Buicks lol!
If you knew what you were doing, how long would it take you?
That's aka "The breakdown lane".
Just watch their three and four year old reviews and buy those trucks. That's what I do.
Read the editorial in Car and Driver, Inside the Bubble.
I would talk to independent shops. Those mechanics work on all makes unlike a dealership, And will give it to you straight.
I've worked with a lot of mechanics from all walks of life. African, Mexican, etc who own independent shops and they always recommend a Toyota truck. It sucks that they are so expensive but its worth it for me. I'll just save up for a new Tacoma.
Mechanics will be like “get a dodge”. And then do money rubbing hands when you turn around. Lmao
@@gjolinares23 mechanics put their kids through college based on doge truck repairs.
Love that Andre and Nathan love the 3.0L Duramax, and so do I. Back in May I purchased a 2020 Silverado LTZ Z71 4x4 with the Duramax (10 speed) with the intent of upgrading our 3,000lbs high wall pop-up camper to a travel trailer (2021 Rockwood Mini-Lite 2509S is what we purchased, great family camper under 26 feet in length). Driving around town (80% or more suburban driving), and using TFL's fill up method, I am always between 24-25 mpg between fill-ups (the truck gets better mpgs than the 06 Honda Odyessy we sold for the truck). My 50mi best mpg in Southwest Ohio on the highway showed 31.7 mpg. Towing: the 3,000lbs (probably closer to 3,400lbs when it was packed) from Southwest OH to Muskegon MI averaged 22mpgs. Towing the Rockwood Mini-lite from Southwest Oh to Cades Cove Campground in the Smokies (the hill-est parts of I-75), probably close to 6,000lbs loaded. Averaged between 11-12mpgs. Very smooth engine, great towing power (no power drop, passing other V8 trucks with trailers).
While not a Chevy guy I watched the review of the baby duramax and yes, I agree this is one of the best motors they put in a half ton truck. Power to the ground is very respectable. Decent amount of giddy up and go for a diesel, and some updates to GM’s interiors and exteriors. GM put a little thought into this one.
Emissions will kill this engines reliability
I love the Baby D-Max as well. I rolled the dice as soon as I knew it was an Inline 6. It’s been absolutely flawless.
Diesel vs gas isn't a good comparison when you're towing.
Yeah let us know when you get the bill for that stupid oil pump belt that you need to drop the tranny for needs replaced
I have a 2019 Sierra 5.3 with the 8 speed. So far have about 21000 miles on it, been the best engine and the 8 speed no complaints, it is so smooth I don't even notice that it is shifting. I must have got a truck that was put together on a good day. Also in the city I live the city uses a lot of GMC sierras as their fleet trucks for many years so that must say a lot for dependability.
After all the years of owning big V8s and diesels, crew cabs and double cabs..the one that outlasted them all is a nearly 20 year old Chevy manual 4.3 reg cab long bed 2wd. Literally the best truck I’ve ever had and a reminder that simple isn’t always incompetent. Happy holidays TFL crew!
375k miles and I'm an idiot who doesn't do maintenance
My coworker has one of those 4.3 5 speed Silverados. It's a giant piece of crap and it's rusting like crazy but it just keeps on going and tolerates all sorts of neglect. He drove it with like half of the instrument cluster not working for several years because he just doesn't care. It's a perfect beater truck and that's what he uses it for.
I had an boss probably 10 years ago, he had a single cab 4x4, odometer stopped working about 5 years previous, it had 255k miles on it at the time of the break. The truck runs fine to this day, so many miles that you can twist the ignition without the keys to start it.
@GMguy 0317 210k on 97 Vortec 350 and 4l60e. Towed 6.5k lbs 20ft enclosed trailer first few years, lots of unloaded highway miles, now tows 3.5k lbs14 ft enclosed trailer.
???k on 79 k10 400 th350 Both trucks original engine and trans. Both on my channel.
Right on GM Guy.
Just bought an 88 C1500, am amazed at
it’s simplicity. Affordable parts and stout build.
4.3 V6 is built like a Rock. Love it.
Ask yourself, toyota’s 5.7 is so ancient yet it scores the highest resell value and reliability ratings year after year while others are constantly changing. toyota’s QDR is impressive built in San Antonio Texas.
You should ask yourself why it costs so much for that ancient truck
@@paulhunter9613 Simply because it's much better than the Detroit 3. Read all the independent surveys.
The hemi is another Dino that is well loved. Comes in behind the toyota.
Dependable sure. But a dependable vehicle that drives poorly and seats are like stone. Add the generational boring looks. Is it REALLY a value ?
Not in most worlds. 😂
@@daleo7355 Totality disagree. Had the competition and the Tundra out shines them all. Try one you will agree too!
Can you guys do an episode on how TFL started and how you guys meet!???
I have had a few GM 5.3 engines and they were all great and reliable and did the job in every situation...but, I just went to the 6.2 in a Trail Boss and I will NEVER go back to the 5.3. World of difference.
The 5.3L Ecotec3 V8 L83/84 will be better on MPG, and the 6.2L Ecotec3 V8 will be more prone to Lifter failure.
What do you like so much more about it? Do you run premium?
@@craigschroh8490 basically the power. It's 65 more horsepower and appx 75 more fp torque than the 5.3 but feels like twice that much. So much quicker when passing even with a load. I'm getting the same gas mileage that I was getting with the 5.3. 16.8 - 17.3 mpg. Yes, I use premium gas.
@@dubltap7216 awesome! That’s great that it’s so much more noticeable. It seems like it would b such a strong engine. Have you used regular in it at all and if so have you noticed a difference? As I understand premium is only recommended, not required, is that correct?
@@craigschroh8490 I haven't used regular although the dealer filled it the first time and I'm guessing they used regular. I noticed my milage went up when I filled it the first time. Yes,you can use regular but being that gas is relatively cheap right now I'm using 91.
I bought a 2017 Silverado Z71 with 5.3 brand new. All maintenance done, top tier fuel, never abused, and has 79k Miles. Since July 2021 it’s had AC compressor replaced, oil leak fixed, and is currently in the shop having all the lifters replaced and torque converter replaced. Very disappointed.
My 2017 Sierra was horrible, cylinder 4 misfire bad
Check no GMC/Chevy
Same here on 2013 with 60k. Had to replace engine at 89k for 6k.
@@eddieboss5934 yep. Traded mine for ‘21 F150 Ecoboost 2 months ago. The day I got it out of the shop
For us poor people my 98 dodge pick up is on 300k miles n still running strong the best 318 n for chevy is the 05 silverado have 305k on that 5.3l 327ci n also running strong
Yes, my son’s 98 dodge is running with over 300,000 miles on it. The rear seal needs changed and it does have its share of electrical issues. But hey...over 300,000 miles!
Nathan isn't alone, the 2.7L ecoboost is the most purchased engine for the F-150. The tow ratings are hampered by the lighter duty 8.8 axle in most of the 2.7s and 5.0s that limit their GVWRs. The reality is that no one really tows more than 9,000lbs with a half ton truck, mostly due to lateral stability of the shorter wheelbases and lower weight compared to 3/4 and 1 tons. The 2.7 is MORE than capable of towing 9,000 lbs, and is physically the most heavily built gas motor Ford has beside the 7.3. Paired with the 9.75 rear end, it will more confidently tow than the 5.0, and deliver similar loaded efficiency, all whilst not consuming gallons of oil like the 5.0. It's the manic personality, even from low rpm, and the buttery smoothness that gets most people. The only thing that I plead with Ford to do is to expand the availability of the 2.7 payload package that gives the 9.75 rear end, beyond the XL trim. We know it's your best engine, YOU know it's your best engine (they put it in everything now) why aren't you letting it do it's best in the F-150?
The F150 is the best #1 selling truck in the United States
Best comment…my 2.7 blows every truck I’ve owned out of water. It’s sooooo smooth and powerful. It’s a beast!
Found the funniest comments here.
I’ve watched this video twice now and simply love how you both naturally and efficiently walk us through all of the engine/power train options available in the truck market. Very well done. Looking forward to listening/watching and learning more from you both.
I love my 2020 f150 with the coyote v8, test drove all 3 engines and couldn't resist the character and soul of the v8, no replacement for displacement lol
I drive a 2017 Ford F150 with a 5.0 V8 which so far has been a good truck so far .
@@buckgonsalvez384 yeah this was my first f150, I plan on doing the ford performance extreme exhaust and the fox 2.0 suspension kit from ford performance as well, should be awesome! Good luck with yours!
@@thehumungus1985 Thanks Buddy same goes to you as well ! CHEERS ...
Unless you want more pulling power and speed! People that hate the ecoboost have never usually ever driven one until that happens you just have no idea how good they are!
@@coryu2403 if you watch the poll taken by Town and Country Ford of their mechanics it was 9-2 for the V8. It’s much more reliable and easier to repair. Just saying 🤷♂️
Here's tip for those who are considering the 6.2. In Canada, regular fule is 87 octain. I put octain booster in (eg. royal purple or STP) When on sale they cost $3 to 4 per bottle. Typically saves me $10 to 15 per fill up depending on gas prices and how empty my tank is. Depending on the maker the octane boost is 5-7 points
I believe the one bottle of booster you are going Putting in, although it says x points, it takes 10 to raise it one octane so it’s still more pricy
@@Jeff-gf1vr agree, he needs to do some research on octane booster. It’s a gimmick.
A friend of mine got 465 thousand miles out of a 03 Tundra with the 4.7 before trading it. Never any issues, just normal maintenance. It was running perfect when he swapped it.
That's very common with most full size trucks. Maybe not 400k, but I know many people with Hemi Rams, Fords (v8 and ecoboost) and Chevy v8s in excess of 200k with no problems just routine maintenance. It's why you pay more for a truck, they build them to last longer than cars.
@@pbaker7160 yeah, tons of fords, dodge and chevy around pushin 200... 400 is double that man
Poor truck most trade in trucks get send to junkyards and stripped for parts.
400k on a 4.7 toyota while not uncommon REQUIRED $4000++ in scheduled maintenance....something the domestics do not need.
The 4.6L and 5.7L went to timing chains....no scheduled changes.
When I owned my 5.7 tundra, the water pump was a common failure....the dreaded pink slime.
Toy finally stepped up and extended the warranty on the air pumps...but many people paid $3000 to fix.
People have short memories regarding the front diff bearings that will howl.
Cam covers leak, warping dash among other nagging problems.
Mine ate brake pads like candy....but for some reason, according to a tundra web site, that wasn't that common.....toy did replace the ENTIRE calipers because of bad seals....still went through pads in less than 20k miles.
I liked my Tundra....but the reliability was no better or worse than other trucks I've owned.
@@johnpeters9793 You are delusional. The domestics don't need it because they get traded before a 100k..before they fall apart
Once you have proven reliability and mileage with low emissions, you just need to make them more versatile and meet people's needs.
Old or ancient vehicles are so good people restore them and it's worth it.
Like your house, you repair it and add to it.
You don't tear it down all the time and keep changing it.
The promises of amazing economy and power with versatility are the one to build.
Some of the best houses or most coveted are built right and very old. They have also been restored or repaired and are valued for giving even more than they were designed for originally.
These promises of fuel mileage have always resulted in the customer saying wow, I could had a v8
Such a good channel. Makes easier to choose the best truck for me. Love you guys competing on info on what makes these trucks good and bad. Love it 😊
As long as they make a 5.3 Chevy or gmc that’s what I will have. Easy 400000 mile engine have done on 4 different vehicles, and worked them hard towing.
07 plus shit lifters left and right.
After owning all 3 domestic brands over the years, my 96 and 98 C/K 1500 Extended Cab 2 and 4 wheel drive trucks were the most reliable. Both trucks had the 5.0L Vortec 305 engine. That's just my personal experience. After that, I had pretty good luck with a 2000 Expedition with the 5.4L Triton. Currently, I'm the owner of my second Infiniti QX80 and the 5.6L has been awesome. No issues at all and normal maintenance.
What year is your Infiniti? I'm curious about the 2ND gen Titans v8.
@@SlickSmooth84 It's a 2016, but we bought it used in 2021. Just went over a hundred thousand miles about 3 months back. I've only had to replace one coil. No issues at all and just normal maintenance. It's a beast of an engine, but the fuel mileage is terrible, which you probably already know. However, it's been my favorite gas burning engine out of all that I've ever owned. Strong, fast, pulls hard and just keeps going. I run 0w-20 in it just as a side note.
I have a 2020 f150 xl with 3.3l long box with vinyl interior only option is power window and locks. Great basic everyday work truck, love it. I don't tow much, but it will tow everything I need. The big three are very good at marketing and getting people to buy thing thee don't need. Especially in the 1/2 ton pickup market. Think about what you really do before you buy.
Straight six is where it's at. Ford should make a turbo gasoline straight six again.
I rrally think Ford should have put a clean-sheet turbo inline 6 in the new Bronco. Or something really out of the ordinary like a inline 7 or inline 9 (also turboed).
Best engine is an inline 6
Worst engine is an inline 3
I think powernationtv or such just did a Ford 300 turbo build. Awesome old school flashback
Something like the Mazda Toyota project in process. 3 liter and 300v system hybrid to power accessories. Keeps overall length down
Cost is why they don’t.
Awesome video and informative , interesting side note I'm sure you guys already know, the Warlock name is resurrected from I believe from limited run dodge truck with some special features , they made in the late 1970s
Slightly disappointed that there was no mention of repair per 100 produced. Usually I like how durable an engine is
My guess per 100 the number is less than 1. Also new engines don’t have reliability histories.
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Here's the scoop: ANY engine with active fuel management has had problems. The Ram 5.7 has had some issues but in general is a good engine. The Ford Ecoboost turbos tend to fail and leak oil as they pass 100k miles . I haven't heard anything about the GM 4 cylinder turbo as of yet so jury is out. Bottom line... Any V8 without active fuel management from any of the big 3 is solid, same goes for the V6's. The GM4.3 is traditionally bulletproof... although not a powerhouse for trucks...but comparted to V8 engines of yesteryear it surprisingly matches up (HP, Torque, towing) to those legacy engines quite well.
@@ahighervibe4086 while the engines may not last as long. They can Definitely tow alot more and way more fuel efficient and easy to maintain than the older trucks. The cost of engine will pay for itself in the savings of fuel. Sorry 10 to 15 mpg is not acceptable
@@ghostlegit you say that but you will have to buy a used engine with 150k for that to be true otherwise my price as a service manager at a dealership for a Remanufactured engine is bare minimum $3200 for just the motor and with your general engine job parts(plugs, thermostat, water pump, and a few gaskets that don’t come with the reman) along with labor, your going to be paying $5500 at least. So no the 1 mpg is not worth it. But if you get the cylinder deactivation disablers you get rid of the oiling issues and have a good reliable engine.
2nd 5.3v 8. ‘08 Yukon, 178K. Sold it to my mechanic. His wife now drives it. I bought the ‘20 Chevy Silverado, 5.3v8. I like this engine
5.7 3URFE hands down! One of the upmost reliable engines made!
Has its own issues though.
This guy says, "UPMOST"
I love my 2.7 F150. I can tow my RV and when I'm not I get great MPG. In sport mode it's pretty quick. I have to watch myself or I'll hit 80 and not even realize.
Same have to put it in eco mode on the street to avoid speeding
The 5.3L Ecotec3 V8 L83/84 solid engine with the 6/8/10 speed transmission we have 2019 Silverado Trail-Boss 27813 miles / 2021 GMC Yukon XL AT4 3620 Miles 31433 Miles total. We had a 2015 Chevrolet Suburban LT Z71 with the 5.3L Ecotec3 V8 L83 and it went 223,632 miles of tire changes/ oil-changes and just usual upkeep. To be said the 5.3L Ecotec3 V8 L83/84 is one heck of a solid bulletproof engine.
Great video. I bought a new pickup in Idaho and went to visit a sister in Aurora. We went up the mountains and it started snowing with summer tires. I don’t mind the snow if I have the right equipment.
Still love my 1st gen 3.5l ecoboost and I am over 220k miles
Same.
I put a tune on my 1st gen, runs strong 💪 90k on it
Wow you got lucky, mine has been a total disaster. In the shop for the 12th time.
I have a 2020 5.0 with 3.73 gears, OZ Omaga tune and run on E85. That thing rips.
6.2L
Awesome and very very informative thanks guys! I have a 2017 Nissan Frontier PRO-4X.
If your interested in a titan i suggest you talk to a body and frame shop just fixed one and the frames are light weight.
I just bought a 2021 Ford F150 with the 2.7L Ecoboost and I absolutely love this engine. I had the first gen 3.5 Ecoboost and its was very good to me but I never needed all the power which is why I picked the 2.7 for my new truck. Driving around I'm getting about 21mpg which is far better then my 3.5 was getting plus I have the extended range fuel tank(36 gal) on my new truck so my range is massively improved. Overall I'm extremely happy with my purchase.
The F-150 with the 2.7 is probably the best all-around vehicle in America.
It tows about 8K, carries 5 in comfort, gets good mileage (mine is 20 MPG over 40K so far), and has plenty of power to get out of its own way.
If I need to move more than four tons worth of stuff, I can rent a vehicle for a day or two. Way cheaper than the upcharge for the 3.5, 5.0, or 3.0.
And it looks good (being fair, most modern trucks look pretty good) doing it.
36 tank sounds nice.
The question is how long you'll love it for, I don't see those getting 400k on em
No exhaust either on that. V8s are going away and it's sad
@@carpetlite22 Buy one while you can…. ….the latest ones get decent mileage, and their durability seems to be pretty good, as well.
I have a 14 Raptor and a 07 Titan, so if I'm sad I start my Raptor and if I'm really sad I start both and stand in between. But for my future its the 3.5 hybrid after a couple of years of bugs.
I have a 2001 Explorer sport Trac with 295000+ on it the 4.0 cologne engine has towed it's max rating and was a daily driver for years starting to rust some underneath but is still in great shape,I drive it occasionally and will keep it!
Really good engine 👌
Might be a good engine but irrelavent to the post about trucks
My new favorite podcast! My wife hates it because I need a new truck everytime I watch!
Picking up a Chevy Trail Boss with the 5.3 liter/10 speed combo on Monday. Thanks TFL for justifying my decision with every review you guys have done on that truck. It really does check a lot of boxes.
www.carcomplaints.com/news/2020/gm-vortec-class-action-lawsuit-engines.shtml
Cancel the order and go test drive the Tundra. You won't regret it 10 years from now
@@rbmoose22 did you read the article? 2010-2014. I had a 2016, not one issue.
@@freeravenadventures6925 hell nah 2019 tundras don’t have a transmission cooler. I honestly find that stupid.
@@rbmoose22 ouch!
I’ve owned a 5.3L. Never again. I was always having to fill it with oil while topping it off with gas. Now, I own the 5.0 Coyote and I absolutely love it. I’ll eventually go to the new Powerboost. But, for now, I’m still loving this 5.0 Coyote.
I had a 5.3 in my 08, I hated it. Same situation as you, underpowered, adding oil. Drove GM for years. 85 GMC with a 350, 99 with a 4.8 (Great truck), 05 with a 4.8, good truck just felt underpowered compared to my 99. Had a 16 HD with a 6.0 and loved it, ran flawlessly, but very poor fuel mileage. Now I have my 3.5 ecoboost and love everything about it. Seems that more and more people switching to Ford nowadays. I can see why.
@@bigf1502 My 5.3L was on a 2007 GMC Sierra 4WD crew cab. And, it started burning oil the day I drove it home from the dealership. I would have to add 2-3 quarts of Mobil 1, at least, between every oil change and the dealership claimed it was “normal”. And, for a truck with 315 HP, I was only able to get 16 mpg (mostly highway driving). But, my 5.0L (with a few mods) has well over 400 HP and gets 16.5 mpg, and that’s with a lead foot because as you know, whether 5.0L or EcoBeast, they’re fun to drive!
yep rock solid. my 2011 water pump been done twice, one manifold done, now other one is noisy when cold... and now getting lifter rattle... gotta get some engine honey. and it has 84,000kms on it... not even 50k. Great little engines.
Should have got the 6.2. Almost identical fuel economy, no oil use and waay more power!
My 2007 Yukon Xl 5.3 was so bad it turned a lifetime GM guy to a Ram 1500. The Ram has almost 100 more horse power, gets 2-4 mpg better local and up to 24mpg highway. The Yukon never got more than 18 highway. I did a 4300 mile trip loaded bed from NJ to Steamboat Springs Co and averaged 21.5 with speeds up to 90 for hours at a time on Route 80. So far at 97k the Ram is the most reliable vehicle I have owned. This is also with a leveling kit and 33’s.
I have an 03 S10 with that 4.3. My daily driver. Love that truck. Bulletproof.
Thank you for the most comprehensive truck engine comparison I’ve yet to find!!!
I'm now on my seventh Ram. Six of them had/have the 5.7 Hemi engine. I have never had any problems or issues with this engine. In my case the reliability is 100 percent. I'll also admit that the E Torque makes the start/stop feature much smoother and acceptable.
I don't think I will ever have a turbo charged engine. Repairs can be frightfully expensive once the warranty has passed.
I had a previous gen 5.3 and liked it, actually a lot more than my triton 5.4. Now I have a 2.7 ecoboost and think its great, however it doesn't sound exciting. I'd love to drive a 5.0 and a 6.2 and see how I like them.
I've always liked the way the 5.3 sounds, but the 2.7 is an absolute rocket. I have a family member with one, and I'm always amazed at how quickly it propels a 4,700-pound truck.
Unpopular: The Chevy 2.7L Turbo with 348 pounds of torque, 20+ mpg, 9,000+ towing and 2,000+ payload is all the truck you need. I love it
Do you still love it? It’s the 4 cylinder right?
The 5.0 with a dealer added supercharger around 600 hp with warranty would be the the best in my opinion.
I f I were to give my top picks for 1/2 ton trucks.
If I were to give a award for the most reliable engine it would go to the Tundra 5.7L
If I were to give an award for best new engine on the market it would be the new 3.0L Duramax.
Other great engines are the GM 6.2L , and the Ford 5.0L , Hemi 5.7L. All great engines.
5.7 Hemi seems like a really nice well balanced middleground of all these different aspects. Not the most reliable, but more reliable than most. Moderate price, likes 89 fuel but can run on 87 (doesn't need 91/93) nice HP and torque numbers, not the most powerful but more powerful than most. Has a great sound, solid fuel efficiency (especially for its size), nice acceleration, really good towing capability. Just an excellent all-purpose all-rounder.
The 6.2 is close but it getting slightly worse gas milage AND needing the premium fuel hurts. The 3.5 Powerboost is close too but very expensive and not quite as reliable.
Hemi is my choice, from the gasers at least. Diesel I'm not familiar enough with.
"Hemi" is a modern day name gimmick
Got 18 Ram 1500 love it rides good 3.92 gears with 93 octane get 21.5 out of it in V8 mode pull my 10000. Lbs camper no issues
Love my HEMI 57. A shame there ending it for TT6 Hurricane. Will run hotter and faster and that means shorter life with our that HEMI rumble
Drove a 2003 F-150 5.4 320k. No engine issues but I did do ball joints, front wheel bearings and universal joints. Overall I was super happy with it and still got 6k trade in. 2018 now 5.0 so far so good but only 65k.
Bought a 2020 Chevy 1500 Silverado 4x4 with the 5.3 L and 8-speed transmission in MAY 2020. No issues so far with the transmission and the engine has been surprisingly pleasant. Just bought an MBRP middle side exit exit to give it a little "sound". Great video guys!
My brothers’ truck same year and powertrain with 72k the transmission just went down.. wishing you better luck
I’ve got a 2012 crew cab like your but it only has a 6 speed. I live in Alaska and it is geared lower for pulling. Face it we don’t use cruise control up here and hills are common.it only has 46 thousand on it but no issues and we pulled a camp trailer from New Hampshire to here a year after I got it. I got an old beater 98 Extended cab 2500HD. It’s got 170 thousand with no issues.
2015 Silverado here and transmission went at 100k .
What ford needs to make is the 2.7L ecoboost ford engine, with a larger electic motor, in a plug in hybrid configuration. It would would be the ultimate engine combination for inner city use, especially for efficiency. It would do great for highway towing, and have great durability, because of the compacted graphite iron block. This block is built much like a diesel engine block. They could also configure the engine to be able to use multiple fuel types. No manufacturer could compete with a truck like that.
I REALLY DO LOVE ALL of the "TFL talk" youtube posts/podcasts!!! YOU guys ARE MARVELOUS!!!.....JUST FASCINATING!!!
Love your channel!!! I’ve been speaking trucks since I could crawl! Keep up the awesome work TFTL
I have had great luck with my 2014 Ram ecodiesel and no issues and 140K on this unit. It has been a great truck.
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Love these guys!! Informative and smooth 👌
This is an awesome overview, great content!!
I have a silverado trailboss 2019 5.3 and bought it because of your reviews (bought in 2019) and absolutely love it. I have over 50 thousand miles and no issues with it at all. I have upgraded it airintake exhaust ect. I've thought of trading it in but there really is no reason for me to do so. Thanks for great videos and advice!!
I think transmission is more Important
I've heard that the heaver duty Ram trucks now use the ZF8 speed and that its
a very reliable trans.
@@mark98070 just the gas engines get the 8speed. And yes its a awesome trans
Yeah, transmission is a huge issue.
When a truck had a clutch pedal, you didn't have to worry about it.
Just a rebuild kit for these Alison transmissions are cost prohibitive
I don't tow nothing and I'm happy with my 3.3 ford v6 6 speed. No problems and I'm a Ford guy. 2019.
LM2 for me,.. rolling the dice on the small diesel,..
My understanding of towing ratings is that you should try to get truck that has 20-25% towing capacity above what you plan to tow so that your not bogging it down when you're towing and you've got some room left for those hauls every now and then that are heavier than usual.
Brakes are important and heavier is the way to go.
I bought a brand new 2019 Silverado half ton custom 4x4 5.3L with tow package 6speed for 36k$ during the pandemic. Added the afm/dod bypass chip and she shifts smoothly. Running 87 octane for normal use. My truck costed less at price point than my wife’s suv! Drove up to Sacramento on one tank of gas averaging 23 mpg from northern LA not pulling a trailer. Final price with tax, license, and finance is 46.5k. Still expensive but affordable in today’s economy. Best bet is to buy a used loaded vehicle if your budget is different. My work truck is a 26 ton Cummins turbo diesel and it’s the best motor in the fleet hands down reliability and fuel economy. Beats the Ford f450 7.3 gas motor, Volvo diesel, Ford powerstrokes, gm duramax , Detroit diesels, freight liners, mercedes diesels, macks, and Hinos. And I’m referring with full payloads. For smaller package cars, the best motor was the older generation Ford powerstroke diesels. Too much electronics nowadays to mess up Diesel engines. My two cents, good day folks and god bless.
Tundra TRD Pro Truck + 3.5TT PowerBoost and 10speed Auto + RAM air suspension + RAM infotainment + GM auto 4WD + Jeep front and rear Lockers = my perfect truck
GM auto 4wd? Is this new? Did they come up with the auto 4wd?
GMs auto 4x4 is not new, it has been around for over a decade. I have it on my 2006 and it's been nothing but trouble (been fixed 4 times in 9 years). I'd prefer a lever or even a lockable fulltime 4x4 system over it. Or just a reliable electronic system like Toyota's.
Matthew, I have to disagree. I think the ZF8 Ram uses is a much better option than the Ford/GM 10 speed. That said, Ram air suspension, Ford Powerboost, and GM style 4x4 would totally ruin the reliability and simplicity of the Toyota chassis. I think the Ram TRX is ideal. Huge power, great transmission, Dana 60 rear end with locker, Bilstien suspension, and that nice Ram interior.
Oh ! So you want a Power Wagon with a diesel and Auto 4WD? 🤣
get a tremor or ZR2. case closed. air suspensions don't work well in cold climates.
I have 17' F150 with a 3.5 eco, great motor and have ordered the new F150 with the 3.5 powerboost with the 7.2kw power pk. can't wait. I feel like Ralphie and his dream of getting a Red Ryder, Carbine Action 200 round BB gun.
Truck of the year
This is my 8 GMC truck I've own ...The last 2 were 5.3 L..2006...and now 2018..I have no complaints to make about the 5.3 at all.. Great on gas and lots of torque,,
I have owned several Ford and Chevrolet trucks. I’ve owned a couple of Dodgers. I recently bought the Toyota tundra 1794, because the I force V8 from Toyota has more trucks out there with a half 1,000,000 miles on them and even up to 1,000,000 miles on them than any other truck. I was willing to pay for more gas to have that type of longevity. Also, if you trade trucks often, the resale value on Ford Chevrolet and Dodge doesn’t quite compare to Toyota. Regardless, all the trucks out there are pretty decent and happy truck driving.
The lightest truck would be the Ford F150 Regular Cab Short Bed (6.5'), which is a combination no one else still offers. Add in the aluminum body and use the 2.7T motor with a tune and it will be FAST and efficient. I think i calculated the 4x4 version to be 4600 lbs. I am very tempted by that combination
You can also get the regular cab F-150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost which makes it a sleeper hot rod truck.
@@97I30T 3.5 EB not available in a short box. The real sleeper is the 400hp 5.0 std cab short box FTW.
Best is the 5.7 I-Force in the Toyota Tundra. Sadly no longer available. Not the most fuel efficient, but you can pass a lot of garage bays. That pays for a lot of gas! I Had a 2010, ran 370,000K, got my 2021 last October, the end of line for the 5.7 V8. Hope I have as many trouble free miles.
One of the best if not the best engine comparison conversations on half ton pickups period hands down!!!!!!! I love your channel and it is by far one of
My favorite channels keep up the great work guys !!!!!
I like/agree with one of the comments below saying ask some independent/unbiased mechanics their opinion on what is the most reliable. I know I did where I live, both said and own Tundras 5.7. Take the current 5.7 even though it really hasn’t changed in 14 years and pair it with a good 8-10 speed transmission it would hold its own against the competitions V8’s in overall performance. If I was going to buy a truck for just a couple years then trade it off I’d be hard not to look at the ecoboost.
How much money do they spend on gas each year? That is a big issue.
The LM2 Dmax will be my next truck engine.
Nissan v8 all the way. Simple, great power, longevity, great warranty and decent fuel mileage.
My 96 suburban k2500 7.4 original 220k miles runs perfect no tick uses no oil no leaks pulls anything trans and drivetrain work smoothly if you can find one buy it.
I'm kind of with Nathan. I currently own a 2017 armada with the 5.6. It's a pretty great engine. I've owned the first Gen 3.5 and 2 of the 2.7 eco boosts and a 2019 5.0.
The 2.7 eco is always in the back of my mind. It is a spunky little engine.
Have to agree, never thought I would be a V6 Turbo person, but I have been amazed by my 2.7 Eco boost. Grew up in a Chevy family, and I do like the 5.3, but to be honest, my 2.7 is quicker, and stronger.
I have it in my 22-ford bronco 2 door. it's an impressive little engine..
Just bought a 2021 Silverado with the 5.3 wanted to 10 speed but the only trim I was looking at was the RST so ended up with the 8 speed. So far happy with it, have yet to tow with it though.
Will tow 6000 to 7000 lbs just fine. Just have to watch the temps.
Just make sure it has the updated fluid placed in.
My 1996 F250 has the 300 inline 6, which i consider the absolutely the greatest engine ever put in ANY truck PERIOD!!!! No manufacture has ever put a engine like the Ford 4.9L in a truck, EVER! A person that has the 4.9 will never live long enough to wear it out if proper maintenance is done on it, AKA mobil110W30, mobil1 filter, and change coolant every 2-3 years. I would have no worries to jump in it and drive it coast to coast at any time!
That 300 inline was a great one, but sorry the 4.7 Toyota beats it.
Timing belt is the weakness of the 4.7 . If you do not change it, bye bye engine.
Great video. Thanks for hashing this out.
More videos of trucks I watched them all I think. Thanks rock on!
Great information, broadcast,
subjective views & opinions 👍👍
Hey, TFL, I just wanted to say that it was your initial reviews and drives with the GM 3.0TD that got me turned onto the engine. I am now a happy owner of a 2020 High Country with the 3.0, and I couldn't be happier.
I would have never considered a GM product before, and I want to thank you for opening up my eyes to something I was totally blind to. Cheers!
Please give up an updates once you are above 125k-130kish. I want to see how those GM 3.0TDs hold up and if they make it to 200k with routine maintenance and no major problems.
You’ll love it until replacing the timing belt in the rear of the engine
@@alpine9996 Big deal. I can just pay to have it replaced. 🤷🏻♂️
@@WRXXXual you can pay to replace anything on the truck, or to replace the whole pickup. Not really sure what your point is. A rear mount, belt drive oil pump should be on an Audi or BMW 🤣
@@daniels2761 Oh, do go on, Mr. Powertrain Engineer, show me the DFMEA where having that specific belt operating under the conditions it was designed to meet is a bad thing.
Love my 4.3 GM got the AFM delete runs like new still 120k miles do all the maintenance on time with fuel treatment each oil change want it to go 200k plus so my son can have it next year it’s a 2015 bought it new base double cab did my own upgrades suspension tires etc interior
Dang is this a all truck channel, im in. it could be a lot shorter format for vids but in podcast form I could take 30-50 minute segments while at work or cranking on the cars. Please do some inclusion of other trucks SUV in North America (Mexico) and in other parts of the world from time to time....Great work.
6.2 with a 10 speed auto is absolutely superb 💪
Not as superb as a 3.5EB with a 10-speed.💪💪💪💪
@@tedschmitt178 the 3.5 mated to a 10 speed is a great combo. I’ll take a GM interior and ride any day of the week. Naturally aspirated power in my opinion is superior with delivery. If I bought a Ford, which I considered in the buying process, it would be the 5.0 mated to a 10 speed auto. I’ve owned 2 of the Coyote generations in the Mustang. Absolutely wonderful power plant
@@darrin2053 I have a 5.0 with the 10 speed only because I couldn’t locate one with the 3.5 equipped like I wanted (2WD STX). I tow a camper which weighs ~6200 pounds, and the 5.0 needs to be revved much more. The 3.5 is effortless with more weight, especially going uphill.
@@tedschmitt178 I have had both. 6.2 has such a long reliability hx. But the eco is a beast. Both superb
@@tedschmitt178 effortless is the correct word
5.7 Liter--350 CID is One of the Best Engines ever Made for any Vehicle--as Grandma use to Say--Proof is in the Pudding!!!
A good motor with a ton of aftermarket accessories. I'd rank the 5.9 Cummins as the best engine ever put in a production, passenger vehicle, with the 7.3 powerstroke, 22re and the various LS engines as good runners up.
I recently purchased a 2018 f150 with the 3.5 ecoboost after test driving many trucks. You cant beat the power the 3.5 puts out for the money. Averaging 21.8 mpg. Great for stoplight to stoplight races as well 😂
Pulled next to a guy who had a 19 3.5 ecoboost while driving my silverado 6.2 10 spd, I hit 4hi light turn green and took him almost 2 trucks 0 to 100 mph lol that’s the end of that story
@@rickyleroy7795 I have had both. In performance mode he would kill you in the 3.5. Nice lies though
@@02hreblue30 I don’t know what year models you’re talking but from 2019 till now GM also has SPORT MODE... and the sierra and Silverado both have the 10 speed transmission when the buyer opts for a 6.2 liter, now also the f150 and silverado basically share the same transmission, oh GM also shaved off 350lbs these newer trucks compared to the last model.... we now are half aluminum.... I cannot speak for the 2021 model 3.5 ecoboost Although my bro just got one and he said its quick! But the 2019-2021 Silverado 1500 6.2 10 speed runs high 13s bone stock 1/4 mile and a 5.4 second 0 to 60 mph... stock vs stock the 6.2 silverado is both faster then the regular 3.5 ecoboost and 5.0 v8... the 2017 to 2020 3.5 eco.. is right there with the 6.2 but runs out of steam after about 60mph
I think it works have been interesting to talk about the modification paths for these engines. Like how you can just find 80+HP out of the 3.5 with just a tune or the broadly available supercharger for the Ford 5.0
Superchargers are just as available to LS and Hemi engines... and thats obviously out of the question considering relatively nobody is interested in installing an aftermarket supercharger
I have towed about 8k lbs travel trailer with the tundra. The engine is very capable with powerful motor and 4:30 rear end towing was easy. Some of these trucks have higher towing numbers but definitely cannot tow as well as the tundra. I drive a suburban as a daily driver and while it can tow 8k it definitely will not do it without lots of full throttle in the mountains. The Tundra pulls up grades no problem. The suspension on the tundra empty stiff, loaded fantastic.
Too bad you have to plan your vacation around the location of gas stations, empty or loaded
@@paulhunter9613 especially if you are towing and have the smaller tank. The fuel gauge was changing so fast my first reaction was is it broken. Then I remembered it’s a Toyota it’s not broken just thirsty.
The best for me is my 3.5 TT, fuel economy and brutal power is unmatched. Mine's dependable, people I know with them haven't had problems. As Nathan says the 3.5 TT is "Crazy Poweful", and that is true, every 3.5 TT owner I know, including myself says, "the power is scary".
Yup hemis around here know to mine their manners around 3.5tt Ruby😎
powerboost is even more powerful
I would have liked to hear if you had any problems with any of the engines. I know you guys won’t put out bad advertisement on any of these auto makers but a honest review on engine reliability would be nice
Great Info thanks... so the tow cap of the trail boss is the same across the board? I didnt hear mention of the tow cap for LT, LTZ... going to be buying one soon.. please help! (all crew cabs)
“Toyota Supra has it!” Someone at BMW just vomited. Lol.
I just can't possibly watch this for 1 hour. Can you just two just post a summary of what you both discussed?
Agreed. Some editing was in order. I'd think 10 mins would be best, 15 minutes would be good, 20 minutes max.
@@BPoweredLove Totally agree.
Come back when you have more time👍
@@tedschmitt178 You're unemployed, I assume. Good on you, mate.
Hello.. great vid... i have a question what do u boys think about the elavation 3.0L duramax diesel engine? Are they good on fuel and commute? Thanks
Fantastic on fuel. Ideal for long commute and 1/2 ton appropriate towing. Longevity likely with being a diesel. Time will tell. For short commute and little towing get a gasser.
Tbh best in my opinion is the 5.3l chevy V8. Great engine, even with the new Ecotec technology, the reliability is still very good, makes really good power (355 hp) and the 8 speed and 10 speeds are great transmission pairs. I do like the ford coyote 5.0 V8, great power aswell, although they are getting more hard to find now.
I don’t need HP. Give me that 3.0 diesels torque. The old saying is People buy HP, but they DRIVE Torque.
But if you dont tow regularly gas makes way more sense
@@The_Draque : I like diesels. I keep my vehicles forever. I have a 14 year old diesel SUV, and a 15 year old diesel car. They get 40% better mileage on the highway for about 20% higher cost of regular fuel in winter, the same cost as regular in the summer, and always less cost than premium. I like the torque going up hills and not downshifting. I don’t need speed. I love my Power Wagon but I would love it more with the 3 liter diesel.
@@alpine9996 concur! I just leased a 2021 gm 1500. Didnt buy it cause I want a real gad tank in the future not this little one. Also hope they put a stouter suspension on future models and mas tow. I personally want more than 2000 pound payload like old light duty 3/4 tons. This thing pulls so nice and does so very low in rpm band. Just needs to move from a city truck to future ones where you can option like the f150 heavy duty payroll package option. Thanks!!
2018 f150 xlt 2.7L 6.5 foot 2 wheel drive (bought new). 31 mpg with a light foot on the interstate. 10 mpg at 70 mph pulling 6500 pound rv. 16 mpg pulling 6500 pound rv at 60.
"Right now gas is really cheap..in the future it won't be" lf he only new just how true that statement would be 😂🙄
I've had 2 5.4 two valves and I got over a quarter-million miles out of the first one abusing it constantly driving across country over mountains pulling trailers I once drove it 2,200 miles from Texas to Washington misfiring on 3 cylinders and then I replace the coil packs and drove it until it got to a quarter million when it finally blew a injector out of the cylinder because the catalytic converters were cloged for driving it 2000 miles with three cylinders dumping gas into it and the sheriff towed it before I could get back to it and instead of getting it out of the pound I just bought another one for 2400 with 144000. Now it is at 160000 and runs like new.