wells here is the bottom line ( in my opinion) ALL !!!!! manufacturers are suffering terribly in the reliability department. and at these current prices. SHAME ON ALL OF THEM
They're not "suffering" they're making them to fall apart on purpose. Planned obsolescence it's horrible. Especially like you said when the prices are this high. Either make cheap crap vehicles and get pushed out of the market, or make good reliable quality vehicles that you can charge a premium for and ppl will willingly pay for that reliability. That's the whole reason Toyota ever got a foot hold in the US to begin with. 🤦
@@Fly-aaron92 as that is true if you look at stellantis for the ram factories, the manufactures are suffering, what’s the CEO is doing to them is terrible, I own a 2018 ram but at that time they were better now they are literally coming off the lines with problems before even being shipped to dealerships… the UAW workers are even suffering still, if you look up with the CEOs done to those as well it’s just terrible while he made a $38-$39 million profit less than a year while under paying the workers having the factories be gross and not giving a shit about products when it leaves the line while residing at the factory still.
The problem is the EPA drove them to make unreliable trucks and the manufacturers bowed down to it instead of fighting to the supreme court. Why would they though, by submitting to the EPA overreach, the manufacturers get to make and sell more vehicles because they have short lifespans.
I used to tow heavy crap all the time at work with 1 tons, then years later at a different job I pulled a trailer with a Ram 1500 (with the Hemi), and I was like, "This sucks."
@@Ringmacherexactly. Drivers think because the manufacturer claims a certain tow rating, they can pull that max weight. They don’t take into account how much payload they have with said weight. Payload ratings are based on dry weight. Fuel alone adds 150-220 depending on tank size.
There's a new RAM that was just delivered to my local dealer that has the bed liner de-laminating already after sitting in the sun for a few days. Probably a one off issue but jeez the truck is $83k...come on
Here's the thing. When I bought my truck, I drove them all and decided on a Ram. But when I went to actually buy, Ford was dealing and Ram was not. So I ended up with an F-150 and have not regretted it. The bottom line is that all these trucks are great vehicles so I would prioritize price and the quality of your local servicing dealer above just about anything else.
@@omardevonlittle3817Any naturally aspirated is a more known factor; the 5.7 in the Tundra was great too. That being said, we don’t know how reliable the new Hurricane or updated EcoBoost engines will be in 10+ years; history shows that turbos are more likely to have issues, but those turbos have also been improved to increase reliability, and only time will tell the real story.
@@Cloud30000 According to anecdotal evidence on the forums over the past 10 years, the 2.7 appears to be Ford's most reliable F-150 engine. I love mine. If your towing needs are modest I highly recommend it. And to be clear, it tows up to its rated limit better than the 5.0 and nearly as well as the 3.5. It just maxes out sooner than they do. The 5.0 has had some pretty serious issues. Not sure if they worked those out yet, but now they added cylinder deactivation, which is probably going to offset any improvements. But as Toyota has shown us, no modern truck is a sure thing when it comes to reliability. May as well just buy why you like and not worry about what you can't control.
@@atg1338 at least he has a plan. Unlike most today complaining about not affording a house, student loan debt and "Living Wage" Some of the nicest vehicles I've seen belong to broke A$$ fools
@@Voodoo-cz5hk Plenty of reports of it happening on the '24s. Toyota appears to be doing the minimum required by law right now because they don't know how to fix it.
85k would be for a highest trim lvl all the options truck. They start at right under 40k. Most sold version is around 54k. I sell trucks for a living. Also no one pays sticker in past few years. 23s are over 10k off. The 24s are 5 to 7k off.
I tested all 3 recently while looking to trade in my 70k mile, 2021 RAM Rebel. Still thought RAM did it best but Chevy was the only one wiling to deal. Ford and RAM offered around 5k off and Chevy offered $13,250. It’s a fairly loaded 66k MSRP truck and I’m very happy with my decision. Truth be told, they are all great trucks and whoever gives the best deal, will sell the most trucks.
@@richardalexander1838 They removed it for a reason. They want to hide oil consumption behind a digital display. And going 7k+ miles between oil changes causes many of the reliability and oil consumption issues today. The oil might have life left, but it's loaded with the diesel like soot that GDI engines generate and that additives do little to negate.
Awesome review guys! Owning Ford hybrid 7.2KW for two years. The best truck that makes me happy and smiling each time I drive this THING. Stop thinking about any other cars at all. Bought additional warranty up to 5 years or 75k miles. Will see what we have in 2027!
My thing is Nathan keeps talking about seats but it’s a lariat versus top trim gmc and ram should’ve got a kr or platinum if you wanted to compare comfort
All good. But Im bothered by the lack of oil dipstick in the Ram. Sorry but I dont trust a computer to tell me how my oil is doing. I prefer to see and touch the oil. Old school if you will
@@HemiJB91 Seriously doubt it. The production line tooling is going away - to bring it back and meet new regulation would cost a (a few) hundred million at this point.
In my personal opinion, I would rather buy an old truck and rebuild it. I am a simple person and hate touch screens, cameras, and all the junk that jacks up the prices that I would have to pay to repair in the future. If the companies came out with a basic work truck that had the power, powered windows, basic radio/cd player with knobs and buttons, ac/heat, no engine cut off, simple tailgate, I would be game. Get reliable items that last vs tech that is not needed.
Yes they all are having major reliability issues however, I still prefer a good old V8. No need to replace expensive turbos and, the V8 just sounds better.
Took my RAM in for service yesterday at the local CDJR dealership. Noticed the challenger Hell cat on the show room. 89,000 plus a 9,995.00 mark up sticker. Had a sold sign on the front windshield.. Someone desperate for that challenger.. Hope that they negotiated for at least. MSRP!!!
The biggest thing to me is you can get the PowerBoost in lower trim levels. The HO Hurricane is Limited and above. The 6.2 has gotten better availability but not quite as easily available as the PowerBoost.
With the prices on these new trucks, how have these manufacturers gotten away with not providing better/longer warranties???? They literally have the same warranties that they had 20 years ago.
The industry is moving to customers leasing over buying that is how they can sell them at a high price with low warranty. your payments are low and you give it back in 3 years when the warranty is up.
I agree, each one of these trucks are great, however if you are a RV or homeowner who lives in a power outage area, such as hurricane-prone, the powerboost being able to power your house, rv, job site, tailgating, is priceless no matter how you look at it. Being able to brew coffee or use a microwave while you're driving down the road call my wife using hair dryer, is it game changer. Not having to wait at the charging site for an hour to recharge is great. Everyone have a happy Father's Day.
My father worked for ford for 42 years! He just passed away and he was dissatisfied with fords quality. He still has his 82 F150 no rust and has the 351 Win. I drive it 3 or 4 times a month. They had grease fittings always keep up with.
I purchased a new 1980 F150 Lariat for a little over $8K, a significant price jump from the '75 model I bought new for $4K. The '75 was a base model with a V8, standard transmission, and no AC, while the '80 had a V8, automatic transmission, and AC; both had power steering, power brakes, but lacked power windows or locks, and were 2WD, long bed. In snow country, Fords suffered from rust issues, with salt on the roads corroding the body, chassis, and underparts. The '80 had better quality than the '75, but Ford's overall quality wasn't the best. Now, I own a 1971 F100, which was well-made for its time and remains clean and rust-free, having spent its life in the south. Ford's rust problems were notorious in the late '80s and '90s. Perhaps this was a source of dissatisfaction for your father, along with the introduction of more plastic components, problematic engines like the 5.4 3V in my 2005 model, and uncomfortable seats. However, the newer models seem to be improving in quality. Given their cost, one would hope for continued enhancements in Ford's quality. It's curious whether the trucks they manufacture today will last 50 years like their predecessors.
I am sorry that your father passed away! I had an 82 and 95 F150 with the straight six and manual transmissions. They just ran and never needed anything except the regular oil changes and routine maintenance. I wish that I still had them. I drove the 95 for over 20 years and that inline six was still as smooth running as new. I agree with you dad about quality issues at Ford! I have always driven Fords and love the American story of the company. For the first time in my life I own a vehicle that isn't a Ford. I was tired of the vehicle recalls, the wait for parts to repair the recall, and the recalls to fix the previously fixed recall. I also didn't care for Ford going woke and promoting lifestyles that are not natural. I wrote a letter to Ford and told them to concentrate on making a vehicle that doesn't need to be recalled and stop the wokeness! I never heard from them and I currently don't drive a Ford either!
Interested Hurricane engine in the Ram, but since I have owned my F150 2.7, I've been converted to a Ford guy. I love the standard features on the Fords. 36 Gallon tanks should be the norm.
The hurricane ho. Gonna drink the gas. And if you tow with it, its gonna guzzle the gas. Tow over 7k don't go 1/2 ton start at 3/4 ton and diesel engine. The chevy 1500 3.0 diesel is a great truck but heavy loads I go 3/4 duramax at 975lbs of torque.
@@ericj810 Ain't nobody buyin the HO. The base one is the what's going to get used, and no need to buy a HD truck if you don't tow all the time. The standard 3.0 will be fine. Buncha guys lying to their wives and stealing from their kids' futures to buy 3/4 and 1-ton trucks for weekend playing.
I agree with you there, I love my F150, and that 36 gallon tank is nice. I have the 3.5 EB with 68k on it, now I average about 22 mpg per tank in mixed driving.
The best truck award should be determined with the truck up in the air, looking at the under body and quality of the build. Not what features they have that will break in two years.
And 150,000 real world miles with service records to get longevity data, not just warranty period. Show who has the least planned obsolescence built in.
I'd like to see a video on issues, reliability, negatives etc. I have a 2023 6.2 and am seeing premature engine wear, its hard on fuel, has poor range, and uses premium.
They are as honest as they can be, but if they want to keep getting test vehicles from the manufacturers, they need to say something positive. They were less than glowing about a Subaru and now Subaru won’t talk to them….
you realize this is a channel which does mostly new pickup reviews? You should only watch Dave Ramsey so he can preach you are a poor worthless peasant and you should live like one.
I run my old 2019 hemi on the Ram 1500 running fine towing and having low maintenance cost, does the towing I need and the reliability is there. There might be more good trucks out there but I will stay with my old school engine, low cost and this is all about, it is not 0-_60 or sometimes else is what you need to pat to keep it on the road.
@@plmn93That's the unfortunate truth. On paper and probably for the majority of people driving these trucks they're built pretty well, they'll probably be reliable, and they'll probably last a long while But a bad dice roll for any given one of them brand new off the lot can be an unexpected nightmare. The thing about research online is that you're going to see way more horror stories compared to people who are satisfied with the vehicle. Because you're far more likely to be vocal if something's going wrong. Not that you shouldn't be vocal with something's going wrong, but I would wager it is still ultimately the minority
I'm officially out of the fullsize market. Just crazy money. Got a new ZR2 Colorado. Was it expensive? Yea...but it wasn't 90 grand. Love the truck so far...no regrets.
Wow that's great! You just grossly overpaid for a midsized truck. Congratulations! I get it, full size truck are over priced, just like most vehicles at this point. But, if there's one group of vehicles that are ridiculously overpriced for what they are it's mid size trucks! Great job my guy! You just paid 63k for a mid size truck lmao😅!!!! You could have has a full size well equipped elevation or something for the same price! You paid 63k for a dinky truck hahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahaha
@Sir_Mack 52K. Like I said...expensive. But the same features in a FS would go close to 90K. Handles better...easier to get around town...fun to drive. I'm pretty happy. If you don't have the money, keep driving your Prius, lad. Maybe you should be watching videos about old shitboxes, and not new trucks.
I love how the RAM has 10k+ towing capacity with an 1100 pound payload. Talk about nothing but marketing non sense on that towing number 😂. And it also sounds like a Hyundai when it revs
We bought our F150 based on FLT's test of the 2016 trucks. We were about to embark on 5 years of living and camping in our 25 ft. travel trailer, and we wanted reliable towing. The Ford had downhill braking far superior to the other brands. We've never regretted it. Great truck. It has towed us through 35K miles of camping all over the country, up mountains and down. That Ford is still making the best truck is not a surprise. We finally bought a house, but our old Ford will have us back on the road next summer.
Thank you thank you thank you for finally testing out the cruise and Lane assist capabilities of these vehicles and comparing them to each other. I'm waiting for somebody to do it on all vehicles.
The cost of ownership for the LZO option, diesel fuel, maintenance, and def quickly negate the MPG. Not even including the cost to replace the belt driven oil pump at the 100k recommended interval.
@@murrkem8239 the belt driven oil pump is 200k interval. GM did say that 100k would probably include a fuel pump replacement though and that is also on the back of the engine. The LZ0 is pretty much universally agreed to be awesome though. I could understand getting the 6.2 if you wanted to buy an aftermarket supercharger or something down the line but the ECU isn't even tunable yet afik.
@@murrkem8239Where I live diesel is only 40 cents more than 87, and the def consumption is next to nothing unless you’re towing a lot, and it’s cheap when you do get it. I only need to fill it every 5k miles or so. My drive to work is mostly highway and I get around 24 mpg in an at4. Would recommend the LZO to people considering a gm
@@richardtellez00tellez77 #1 truck sold would be GM. Chevy and gmc sell more than ford do. Ford has been in decline for last 5 years since they moved to these smaller engines and electric. GMC and Chevy use same engines, same drivetrains, same parts, just different interiors, but made by same company. So America seems to be buying v8s and diesels more than stupid unrealible turbo 6 and electric trucks
Well done, gents!! I know that its hard to put in a value for looks because it can be so subjective. However, IMO, the GM still trounces the other 2 in looks, as well as the sound. That's gotta be worth something...
They started putting 4 cylinders in mustangs in 84 with the mustang SVO fox body. Don’t think they used the stereo then to amplify. Probably around 2015 because I don’t remember anything prior to that.
I always custom order my trucks; the dealers always add BS to the lot trucks to increase the profit\asking price and I end up paying less by ordering exactly what I want, even if they are offering a slightly bigger discount on a lot vehicle. In this case, having the 7.2kw as an option makes more sense then increasing the whole line by $400 and making it standard.
You can always order your truck the way you want . Ford is cheap that’s why they don’t add stuff as a mandated thing that hikes the price as some may not want it but most will then you pay which makes prices competitive but really it’s bull. it’s up to the dealer to option out or add stuff then charge what they want for lot trucks upon allocation. This is why it makes sense to make your own orders as the other gentleman suggested above.
At 30:55 there was an error in the equation. Ram's total was listed as "13", but should have been listed as "12". Also, on "DB Sound" all three were given a score of "3". I am not sure if that part was intentional, but no other scoring options had equal scores between even two of the options; all others were ranked first, second, and third.
what about it? Do you own any of them? There are hundreds of thousands of owners of each that report never having issues - like myself. These owners, like myself take care of our vehicles, drive them with sense to get the most out of our investment. I would not have a concern about any of these trucks being able to get me through a blizzard, take me there and back again to some remote dirt road destination. I know if I do my part the trucks will do theirs. All of these three are very reliable vehicles anyone that says different either has a financial interest or is a fool.
It also didn't have all the safety equipments, all the leather, all the gizmos and things that weigh down modern vehicles. You want big payload, get a 2500 or larger.
Why would you have not chosen a higher trim for the Ford? Also a big win to the Ford for being aluminum, that is much appreciated by those of us who live in northern states!
@@BC08 yeah and all that takes is spray some fluid film on the frame once a year. I have never had a problem with a frame getting anymore than surface rust.
Great review! I’ve got a 2017 F150 Lariat. Started looking for my next truck. I’m not happy with what I’m seeing. Great styling, features, but truck capacity keeps going down. Mine as 1863 lbs capacity. I’m seeing trucks with 300+ lbs LESS capacity. I really don’t want to move up to 3/4 ton HD truck. BUT, take a truck for towing a 26-30’ camper, 2 adults, 2 kids, really NOTHING in the bed and you can be at or over the GVWR of the truck, quickly. I’m running consistently 400-500lbs over GVWR because of the heavy tongue weight of my camper. (Another industry issue for another day) I’ve upgraded my suspension, added a class V hitch. I went from a 2013 to a 2017 because capacity was going up. All these features are driving the capacity down.
I bought a 2017 F150 xlt supercab a year ago as I was planning on getting a new truck but didn’t like what I saw at the prices they were at! I absolutely love this truck with the 5.0 as it’s such a pleasure to drive! It has everything that I was looking for in a truck and nothing that I didn’t want! It also has a payload rating of 1958 lbs.
The Ford F250 with the 6.8 would be a great option for you. Look the Superduty line can handle ALOT more abuse than the 1/2 tons, they aren't as quick, they don't ride isn't as nice, especially for someone constantly towing, they are a better option.
You might be surprised to learn there are law firms that exist solely to file lawsuits against the big three. Why? Because they have a lot of money and when you complain about why cars and trucks cost so much, much like healthcare, the steady stream of frivolous lawsuits add to the cost.
Those 6.2’s don’t like to be brake torqued. You just have to come to a complete stop and then floor it. Still not bad though, but it can be a lot better by just flooring it
So true. I see a bunch of the 6.2 powered trucks where I live and they are definitely way faster than what they got. Even my old 2012 Silverado is the same way. If you brake torque it, it's slow, but if you just punch it it's much quicker.
@@ducktails1695 5.4 seconds to 60 without brake torquing is slow then i guess so. If you don’t believe me. Check car and driver and also motor trend. I myself have a high country with this engine so i know from personal experience that it’s quicker than this. I’m sure you probably drive a civic si or something. lol
Interesting that Ram has the lowest payload, yet doesn’t even have the weight of a sunroof bringing it down. My guess is that the rear coil springs are likely to blame.
They have long had terrible payloads. Coil springs typically can't support as much weight because they connect to a single point on the frame, while leaf springs spread out that weight over a few feet. This is also why air springs are a bad idea on a leaf sprung vehicle. You are focusing a high load on a part of the frame that wasn't designed for it.
@@plmn93 Doesnt the raptor use coils and has more payload than the ram? I think there is more that factors into than just the coils. New tundra went from leafs to coils and saw an increase in payload. So there are definitely other factors
@@YerBoyTroy Yes there are other factors, but with all else being equal, leaf springs are going to be able to handle more weight which is why they have been used in trucks for so long.
@@plmn93 To be fair ram knows their user base. I would say a higher percentage of owners benefit from the increased unladen ride stability vs max payload capabilities. Most folks in fullsizes these days aren't utilitizing the max payload often
I found a 2001 quad cab off road edition with the 5.9 magnum and only 62K miles in Washington state a year ago. No rust, had to get a few dents taken out by a paintless dent repair guy. Had the motor tuned up and a leaking intake gasket fixed, runs great now. The loan will be paid off in one year, cost me $85 in interest. New truck prices are out of touch with the customer. My 1996 ram cost $24K fully loaded and has been the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned 150K and going strong.
IIRC, those rectangles on the GM exhaust are not connected to the exhaust, just the bumper. The actual exhaust “tips” are hidden behind them under the truck.
I live in Michigan in the rust belt I will drive an alumiduty till the cows come home. Some kind of fluid film on the frame and some components and my truck from the bottom up looks brand new. Trucks are too much money to have them rust away.
I’m wondering if that noise was a loose turbo hose connection to the intake. I had a similar issue with my 2019 Ecoboost a year ago it sounded the same as that.
I wish I knew what made the seats on the Ram so much better, as I want to modify the seats in the Ford to be more comfortable. Going from a 2019 Ram to a 2022 Ford, the seats are one of the things I really miss.
Funny thing about seats, they change so much over the years and not always for the better. After 12 trucks my hands down favorite seats were the captain seats in my 93 F-250. I later had a 2001 F-250 with captain seats and they were crap. After that had a 2006 Silverado 2500, those seats were quite comfortable. I now have a 2018 F-150 and the seats are so so. Something to be said of old big Buicks from the early 80's, they were always comfortable.
Lads i miss my Ram V8 Hemi so bad having moved to England where we dont (we do but not really) have pickup trucks. Can’t wait to move back to USA to get me my pick up again. I asked my kids which of my cars they liked the most and we all think Pickup. Roadtrips are so cool in a truck. Love your videos.
The new Ram engines have been a nightmare to service. It is body off to reach anything on the back of the engine. This is from a Ram technician. Lots of power, smooth, but when any major service is needed, expensive.
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit It is underpowered for a pickup, but is relatively reliable and easy to service. Keep up with regular maintenance and it will last a long time. My personal Ram has the 5.7 Hemi which is smooth and great for towing. I get about 18 mph on my 50 mile round trip commute. The 3.6 would do a little better mpg, but could not tow my toy hauler.
I have a '21 Platinum Powerboost and had my fuel pump replaced a few months ago. The dealer gave me a '23 Lariat as a loaner with these same seats, and they were definitely stiff and not anywhere as comfortable as the seats in mine.
@@HemiJB91 Yea no shit, that was exactly my point. I commented about the seats they said were uncomfortable in the Lariat and said I noticed the same. Thanks for letting me know that my seats are different 👍
I was wondering the same they should have compared a platinum to the others. I have a lariat myself and although I find it pretty comfy I’ve been inside a king ranch before and the seats were better. I think the Ford seats are up there with Rams if you compare the top trims. GM seats are super stiff
My 22 F150 STX with the 3.5turbo makes the sucking noise when you hit it hard. It's not that new and yes my truck is fast even without the powerboost. Best in class performance at doing truck things!
You guys are right about the Ram interior. We have a 19’ limited and the seats really comfortable. However it’s not aging well the dash is coming unglued and labels are peeling off. The leather on the steering wheel is faded and lost its color. The boot to shifter ripped immediately. The padding on the top of the instrument cluster is not flushed with other panels and I can see behind it. The grab handle covers never stay in place. Meanwhile my 2020 F150’s interior is holding up just fine. No issues with interior not the nicest but aging waaay better.
That was one major thing i noticed about my Ram nothing seemed to hold up well interior wise. The Ford will still look good after 100k miles, Ram not so much.
Which is best comes down to reliability. What recalls are out in the first year? What percent of each brand had catastrophic failures in the first year? Looks are subjective, differences in 0-60 by seconds don't matter, towing differences of hundreds of pounds are minimal. We pay an outrageous, ridiculous, over-inflated price tag on vehicles that will beat my needs, not meet. Who purchases a vehicle without knowing if it will tow or haul to your needs? I want to know if I do the maintenance that my investment should run until the wheels fall off.
The grill of the GMC is ugly but the 6.2 sounds the best, sure wish Ram would've put their 6.4/392 in the 1500, the car motor at least in the luxury top of the line or express trim, one's not for work unlike the 2500.
Do they all use laminated glass in the side windows? I would suggest you do the noise test at ear level between occupants and one on the left ear level of the driver to be accurate.
@@BC08 Have a 2017 F-150 XLT 2WD Supercab 5.0 V8 , 6 Spd with 220,000 miles. Oil changes, brakes and tires. Nothing replaced under the hood. VERY reliable, durable and surprisingly fast truck. 4,150 LBS. No trouble to leave a BMW M series in the dust. Only complaint about the truck, is it is very basic and plain interior, but it was only 33,600 $ off the lot new. Oh, and the entire wiper system is junk (arms, transmission).
@@realjredecop Yes, and the 5.0 is arguably their worst F-150 engine according to reports on the forums, with cam phaser and oil consumption problems. But some people still seem to think these are the simple pushrod V8s from decades ago. They are every bit as complex and expensive to repair as the turbocharged sixes.
Even the Toyota fanboys are suddenly silent on that, lol. The fact is that ALL modern trucks are full of expensive technology that can be very expensive to repair.
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wells here is the bottom line ( in my opinion) ALL !!!!! manufacturers are suffering terribly in the reliability department. and at these current prices. SHAME ON ALL OF THEM
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They're not "suffering" they're making them to fall apart on purpose. Planned obsolescence it's horrible. Especially like you said when the prices are this high. Either make cheap crap vehicles and get pushed out of the market, or make good reliable quality vehicles that you can charge a premium for and ppl will willingly pay for that reliability. That's the whole reason Toyota ever got a foot hold in the US to begin with. 🤦
@@Fly-aaron92 as that is true if you look at stellantis for the ram factories, the manufactures are suffering, what’s the CEO is doing to them is terrible, I own a 2018 ram but at that time they were better now they are literally coming off the lines with problems before even being shipped to dealerships… the UAW workers are even suffering still, if you look up with the CEOs done to those as well it’s just terrible while he made a $38-$39 million profit less than a year while under paying the workers having the factories be gross and not giving a shit about products when it leaves the line while residing at the factory still.
He's not wrong
The problem is the EPA drove them to make unreliable trucks and the manufacturers bowed down to it instead of fighting to the supreme court. Why would they though, by submitting to the EPA overreach, the manufacturers get to make and sell more vehicles because they have short lifespans.
1 thing i actually totally agree with GM on. If you're towing more than 8500lbs get a bigger truck.
I used to tow heavy crap all the time at work with 1 tons, then years later at a different job I pulled a trailer with a Ram 1500 (with the Hemi), and I was like, "This sucks."
I agree. No way I’d max it out on these trucks. I’d consider it for short distances but no way I’d go any major distance pulling 10k with any of those
They can handle up to 13,200 idk where tf these guys got that GMC without any towing features
See, I’m right on that edge. Towing a 7500 lbs camper with heavy tongue weight that takes away from GVWR.
@@Ringmacherexactly. Drivers think because the manufacturer claims a certain tow rating, they can pull that max weight. They don’t take into account how much payload they have with said weight. Payload ratings are based on dry weight. Fuel alone adds 150-220 depending on tank size.
We need another review in 10 years to see how all the trucks have held up
no rust on the ford ;)
@@OverKill440Well there differentials will 😂
All will be in junkyards in 6 years. They are only designed to last the 5 years of an initial lease period
There's a new RAM that was just delivered to my local dealer that has the bed liner de-laminating already after sitting in the sun for a few days. Probably a one off issue but jeez the truck is $83k...come on
@mikexyz7461 really? How come my 2015 2.7l ecobeast f150 with 156,000 miles is still going strong?
Here's the thing. When I bought my truck, I drove them all and decided on a Ram. But when I went to actually buy, Ford was dealing and Ram was not. So I ended up with an F-150 and have not regretted it. The bottom line is that all these trucks are great vehicles so I would prioritize price and the quality of your local servicing dealer above just about anything else.
Bingo. While under warranty there's no discernable difference. After that point I'd trust the Coyote and the 5.7 Hemi most.
@@omardevonlittle3817Any naturally aspirated is a more known factor; the 5.7 in the Tundra was great too.
That being said, we don’t know how reliable the new Hurricane or updated EcoBoost engines will be in 10+ years; history shows that turbos are more likely to have issues, but those turbos have also been improved to increase reliability, and only time will tell the real story.
Great way to look at things.
Very practical.
Hopefully you don't pull up next to a Ram and have buyers regret over a few thousand dollars.
@@Cloud30000 According to anecdotal evidence on the forums over the past 10 years, the 2.7 appears to be Ford's most reliable F-150 engine. I love mine. If your towing needs are modest I highly recommend it. And to be clear, it tows up to its rated limit better than the 5.0 and nearly as well as the 3.5. It just maxes out sooner than they do. The 5.0 has had some pretty serious issues. Not sure if they worked those out yet, but now they added cylinder deactivation, which is probably going to offset any improvements. But as Toyota has shown us, no modern truck is a sure thing when it comes to reliability. May as well just buy why you like and not worry about what you can't control.
Same here. Got a f-150 tremor. 2022. So excited still. The only thing that keeps me from driving it is my 911
All great trucks. It's a shame that nearly no one can afford them. Let's see, retire comfortably, or buy a new truck.
So buying a truck is gonna stop you from retiring in comfort? Sounds like you didn't have a good plan🤣🤣
@@atg1338 at least he has a plan. Unlike most today complaining about not affording a house, student loan debt and "Living Wage"
Some of the nicest vehicles I've seen belong to broke A$$ fools
Uh, people can afford them because they're selling.
YOU can't afford them.
@@TheCapn23people are also not making payments, 2023s still on the lot and 0% interest deals in near future! Watch!
@@TheCapn23You mean the bank can afford them
Wheres the tundra?....blowing engines somewhere 😂
That new toyota is horrible. They need to go back to the 5.7
As if all of them aren't self-destructing. 🙄
@@doug6191truth…the issue is on 2022-2023 Toyota…not 2024 Tundras
Ha!
@@Voodoo-cz5hk Plenty of reports of it happening on the '24s. Toyota appears to be doing the minimum required by law right now because they don't know how to fix it.
$85K MSRP
That kind of money
Won't work for me
They are 120k up here in Montreal 😂
Buy an older model and rebuild it
Did they mention the price? I must have missed it. When was that?
@@DobyDuke sounds like a plan to me
85k would be for a highest trim lvl all the options truck. They start at right under 40k. Most sold version is around 54k. I sell trucks for a living. Also no one pays sticker in past few years. 23s are over 10k off. The 24s are 5 to 7k off.
11:41 The sucking noise is the sound of your money leaving your wallet.
That’s hilarious!! 🤣
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Read this as he said it 😆
I tested all 3 recently while looking to trade in my 70k mile, 2021 RAM Rebel. Still thought RAM did it best but Chevy was the only one wiling to deal. Ford and RAM offered around 5k off and Chevy offered $13,250. It’s a fairly loaded 66k MSRP truck and I’m very happy with my decision. Truth be told, they are all great trucks and whoever gives the best deal, will sell the most trucks.
I have a 23 Ram , but I’ll buy trucks with dipsticks. Making an engine without one is as dumb as an off-road truck without tow hooks.
So new synthetic oils last 7k-9k, so just continue to change your oil every 5k and you'll be ok. You guys with these dipsticks, lolol
Yeah, checking fluids in your vehicle is silly. Best to leave it to the dealerships who never lie to customers.
@@richardalexander1838 They removed it for a reason. They want to hide oil consumption behind a digital display. And going 7k+ miles between oil changes causes many of the reliability and oil consumption issues today. The oil might have life left, but it's loaded with the diesel like soot that GDI engines generate and that additives do little to negate.
@@GusFromDaysPastAny issue with oil in the engine is covered under warranty. Why else would they not have a dipstick
@@richardalexander1838 "You guys with these dipsticks" lol too - RAM REV and be done with it.
Awesome review guys! Owning Ford hybrid 7.2KW for two years. The best truck that makes me happy and smiling each time I drive this THING. Stop thinking about any other cars at all. Bought additional warranty up to 5 years or 75k miles. Will see what we have in 2027!
I've got to say that out of all the truck videos you guys produce I think the two of you make some of the best content. Solid video guys
Agreed. Keep Roman in the office.
Andre and Nathan are an unbeatable duo! Anytime they're in a video, you know it's going to be entertaining and informative!
What about Roman and him talking out of his ass with all his opinionated gibberish? Hahaha!
My thing is Nathan keeps talking about seats but it’s a lariat versus top trim gmc and ram should’ve got a kr or platinum if you wanted to compare comfort
Was looking for this exact comment 😅
But that's not the top trim Ram either.
All good. But Im bothered by the lack of oil dipstick in the Ram. Sorry but I dont trust a computer to tell me how my oil is doing. I prefer to see and touch the oil. Old school if you will
There will probably be an aftermarket dipstick
The Hurricane is based on the Alfa Romeo Giorgio 4-cylinder. It’s a true Fiat engine.
The Hurricane will prove to be junk long term.
Mark my words
@@BC08hemi will be back in 5 years.
@@HemiJB91 Seriously doubt it. The production line tooling is going away - to bring it back and meet new regulation would cost a (a few) hundred million at this point.
@@BC08 come back to this comment in 5 years. 🤡
In my personal opinion, I would rather buy an old truck and rebuild it. I am a simple person and hate touch screens, cameras, and all the junk that jacks up the prices that I would have to pay to repair in the future. If the companies came out with a basic work truck that had the power, powered windows, basic radio/cd player with knobs and buttons, ac/heat, no engine cut off, simple tailgate, I would be game. Get reliable items that last vs tech that is not needed.
You, sir need a 2017 F150 XL, because you just described my 90-year-old dad’s truck.
@@markhavelka4924 I will take a square body Chevy. Fords don’t have great engines. Or 1995 2500 Silverado
Ram made the ram classic which was kinda that idea. Idk if they still do
@@marcpomaville9429 I have never heard of that.
your statement is moronic. Prices haven't changed.
Yes they all are having major reliability issues however, I still prefer a good old V8. No need to replace expensive turbos and, the V8 just sounds better.
Took my RAM in for service yesterday at the local CDJR dealership. Noticed the challenger Hell cat on the show room. 89,000 plus a 9,995.00 mark up sticker. Had a sold sign on the front windshield.. Someone desperate for that challenger.. Hope that they negotiated for at least. MSRP!!!
The biggest thing to me is you can get the PowerBoost in lower trim levels. The HO Hurricane is Limited and above. The 6.2 has gotten better availability but not quite as easily available as the PowerBoost.
I miss my dads 95 Ford Ranger 4.0. Couldn't kill it. We tried but she just smiled and kept running. 😂
It was not professional grade
With the prices on these new trucks, how have these manufacturers gotten away with not providing better/longer warranties???? They literally have the same warranties that they had 20 years ago.
and the cost is literally the same as 20 years ago.
Free market. People need to speak with their wallets and not buy them. Only way to force the manufacturers to offer better pricing/incentives
@@GreenMountain565 see above
The industry is moving to customers leasing over buying that is how they can sell them at a high price with low warranty. your payments are low and you give it back in 3 years when the warranty is up.
This is a great point!!!
I agree, each one of these trucks are great, however if you are a RV or homeowner who lives in a power outage area, such as hurricane-prone, the powerboost being able to power your house, rv, job site, tailgating, is priceless no matter how you look at it. Being able to brew coffee or use a microwave while you're driving down the road call my wife using hair dryer, is it game changer. Not having to wait at the charging site for an hour to recharge is great. Everyone have a happy Father's Day.
@29:37; camera truck didn't show being left of center for the lane
My father worked for ford for 42 years! He just passed away and he was dissatisfied with fords quality. He still has his 82 F150 no rust and has the 351 Win. I drive it 3 or 4 times a month. They had grease fittings always keep up with.
I purchased a new 1980 F150 Lariat for a little over $8K, a significant price jump from the '75 model I bought new for $4K. The '75 was a base model with a V8, standard transmission, and no AC, while the '80 had a V8, automatic transmission, and AC; both had power steering, power brakes, but lacked power windows or locks, and were 2WD, long bed. In snow country, Fords suffered from rust issues, with salt on the roads corroding the body, chassis, and underparts. The '80 had better quality than the '75, but Ford's overall quality wasn't the best. Now, I own a 1971 F100, which was well-made for its time and remains clean and rust-free, having spent its life in the south. Ford's rust problems were notorious in the late '80s and '90s. Perhaps this was a source of dissatisfaction for your father, along with the introduction of more plastic components, problematic engines like the 5.4 3V in my 2005 model, and uncomfortable seats. However, the newer models seem to be improving in quality. Given their cost, one would hope for continued enhancements in Ford's quality. It's curious whether the trucks they manufacture today will last 50 years like their predecessors.
As long as repair parts are available it can last 100 years
I am sorry that your father passed away! I had an 82 and 95 F150 with the straight six and manual transmissions. They just ran and never needed anything except the regular oil changes and routine maintenance. I wish that I still had them. I drove the 95 for over 20 years and that inline six was still as smooth running as new. I agree with you dad about quality issues at Ford! I have always driven Fords and love the American story of the company. For the first time in my life I own a vehicle that isn't a Ford. I was tired of the vehicle recalls, the wait for parts to repair the recall, and the recalls to fix the previously fixed recall.
I also didn't care for Ford going woke and promoting lifestyles that are not natural. I wrote a letter to Ford and told them to concentrate on making a vehicle that doesn't need to be recalled and stop the wokeness! I never heard from them and I currently don't drive a Ford either!
Interested Hurricane engine in the Ram, but since I have owned my F150 2.7, I've been converted to a Ford guy. I love the standard features on the Fords. 36 Gallon tanks should be the norm.
The Hurricane is based on the Alfa Romeo Giorgio 4-cylinder. It’s a true Fiat engine.
The Hurricane will prove to be junk. Mark my words
The hurricane ho. Gonna drink the gas. And if you tow with it, its gonna guzzle the gas. Tow over 7k don't go 1/2 ton start at 3/4 ton and diesel engine. The chevy 1500 3.0 diesel is a great truck but heavy loads I go 3/4 duramax at 975lbs of torque.
@@ericj810 Ain't nobody buyin the HO. The base one is the what's going to get used, and no need to buy a HD truck if you don't tow all the time. The standard 3.0 will be fine. Buncha guys lying to their wives and stealing from their kids' futures to buy 3/4 and 1-ton trucks for weekend playing.
I agree with you there, I love my F150, and that 36 gallon tank is nice. I have the 3.5 EB with 68k on it, now I average about 22 mpg per tank in mixed driving.
Who cares about 0 to 60. More important - Reliability. Durability. Towing capacity. Driving comfort.
Agreed.
Agree
The best truck award should be determined with the truck up in the air, looking at the under body and quality of the build. Not what features they have that will break in two years.
And 150,000 real world miles with service records to get longevity data, not just warranty period. Show who has the least planned obsolescence built in.
One of the best vehicles to buy for options is a Range Rover.
The worst vehicle to buy based on reliability is a 1 year old Range Rover.😂
you shouldn't reproduce because your post makes absolutely no sense
@@spec1923another moronic post. 150K miles about the designated lifetime.
@@davidporter7051 you can accept but I do not have to. I have always put around 200,000 with minor repairs.
Any of these will be better than having a tundra with a blown engine 😂
or a landcruiser LC200 with a fubar transmission. Toyota sucks!!
The GM will likely smoke lifters then main bearings before 100K
@@rameylewis7730I take my chance with Toyota I always own Chevy gmc and ford and al of them have problems with engine transmission at early age
@@BC08 My buddys lifters collapsed at 8k miles, had to wait a month for an engine.
@@OtisFlint Very, very common
I'd like to see a video on issues, reliability, negatives etc. I have a 2023 6.2 and am seeing premature engine wear, its hard on fuel, has poor range, and uses premium.
They are as honest as they can be, but if they want to keep getting test vehicles from the manufacturers, they need to say something positive.
They were less than glowing about a Subaru and now Subaru won’t talk to them….
@@randykuta5146 sad but true
I’m keeping my ‘22 RAM Hemi for a long time, but if I had to buy a new truck I’d honestly go for an F150 with the 5.0 V8.
Sorry but I stopped watching when you said top end cost wise trucks. Not interested in spending $80k on a truck.
you realize this is a channel which does mostly new pickup reviews? You should only watch Dave Ramsey so he can preach you are a poor worthless peasant and you should live like one.
🔥Thanks Andre, Nathan
and the TFL Camera Ninja...
☕☕ Happy Thursday
I run my old 2019 hemi on the Ram 1500 running fine towing and having low maintenance cost, does the towing I need and the reliability is there. There might be more good trucks out there but I will stay with my old school engine, low cost and this is all about, it is not 0-_60 or sometimes else is what you need to pat to keep it on the road.
I want one of each..they all look awesome... really like the New 24' Ford 150
24 feet is a long truck
You can or can't go wrong with any of them. Meaning they are all awesome trucks, but they all can have serious issues as well.
@@plmn93That's the unfortunate truth. On paper and probably for the majority of people driving these trucks they're built pretty well, they'll probably be reliable, and they'll probably last a long while
But a bad dice roll for any given one of them brand new off the lot can be an unexpected nightmare. The thing about research online is that you're going to see way more horror stories compared to people who are satisfied with the vehicle. Because you're far more likely to be vocal if something's going wrong. Not that you shouldn't be vocal with something's going wrong, but I would wager it is still ultimately the minority
I'm officially out of the fullsize market. Just crazy money. Got a new ZR2 Colorado. Was it expensive? Yea...but it wasn't 90 grand. Love the truck so far...no regrets.
Wow that's great! You just grossly overpaid for a midsized truck. Congratulations! I get it, full size truck are over priced, just like most vehicles at this point. But, if there's one group of vehicles that are ridiculously overpriced for what they are it's mid size trucks! Great job my guy! You just paid 63k for a mid size truck lmao😅!!!! You could have has a full size well equipped elevation or something for the same price! You paid 63k for a dinky truck hahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahaha
Should’ve got A Maverick imo
Only reasonably priced truck rn
@Sir_Mack 52K. Like I said...expensive. But the same features in a FS would go close to 90K. Handles better...easier to get around town...fun to drive. I'm pretty happy. If you don't have the money, keep driving your Prius, lad.
Maybe you should be watching videos about old shitboxes, and not new trucks.
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit A MAVERICK!! 😄 🤣
@MrHand-ih4sz you have no clue what I drive and you wouldn't believe me if I told you anyway so. Enjoy your 60k overpriced dinky truck bud
I love how the RAM has 10k+ towing capacity with an 1100 pound payload. Talk about nothing but marketing non sense on that towing number 😂. And it also sounds like a Hyundai when it revs
Sir, my V8 Hyundai sounds WAY better than that when it revs.
Towing at 11k lbs for the ram with a payload of 1100 lbs is wild. You can't even drive the truck if your tongue weight is at the recommended 10%.
If you towing anywhere near 11k pounds get a HD
If you're towing anything over 8,500lbs you shouldn't have a half ton in the first place
But towing 11750 with 1200 on an F150 is ok?
@@hellkitty1014 maybe for a year or two then it all falls apart
GM, Ford and Ram might be forced to cooperate
We bought our F150 based on FLT's test of the 2016 trucks. We were about to embark on 5 years of living and camping in our 25 ft. travel trailer, and we wanted reliable towing. The Ford had downhill braking far superior to the other brands. We've never regretted it. Great truck. It has towed us through 35K miles of camping all over the country, up mountains and down. That Ford is still making the best truck is not a surprise. We finally bought a house, but our old Ford will have us back on the road next summer.
"good oldness" category would score GMC max points. Sound, displacement, good looking.
Thank you thank you thank you for finally testing out the cruise and Lane assist capabilities of these vehicles and comparing them to each other. I'm waiting for somebody to do it on all vehicles.
The 3.0 LZO for the Sierra is worth considering for MPG
The cost of ownership for the LZO option, diesel fuel, maintenance, and def quickly negate the MPG. Not even including the cost to replace the belt driven oil pump at the 100k recommended interval.
@@murrkem8239the oil pump belt service interval is 200k fyi.
@@murrkem8239belt replacement is now at 150k miles
@@murrkem8239 the belt driven oil pump is 200k interval. GM did say that 100k would probably include a fuel pump replacement though and that is also on the back of the engine. The LZ0 is pretty much universally agreed to be awesome though. I could understand getting the 6.2 if you wanted to buy an aftermarket supercharger or something down the line but the ECU isn't even tunable yet afik.
@@murrkem8239Where I live diesel is only 40 cents more than 87, and the def consumption is next to nothing unless you’re towing a lot, and it’s cheap when you do get it. I only need to fill it every 5k miles or so. My drive to work is mostly highway and I get around 24 mpg in an at4. Would recommend the LZO to people considering a gm
Our 14 Sierra 5.3 4x4 held up incredibly well for the 177K miles we had it, would buy another.
I hope GM keeps the diesels and v8s. No one wants stupid unreliable hybrids and small turbo 6 engines
America would say differently
#1 truck sold
@@richardtellez00tellez77 #1 truck sold would be GM. Chevy and gmc sell more than ford do. Ford has been in decline for last 5 years since they moved to these smaller engines and electric.
GMC and Chevy use same engines, same drivetrains, same parts, just different interiors, but made by same company. So America seems to be buying v8s and diesels more than stupid unrealible turbo 6 and electric trucks
@@richardtellez00tellez77 that schooling is free. You are welcome
@@richardtellez00tellez77 830k GM trucks sold 2023 vs 750k ford trucks and the gap is growing.
Well done, gents!! I know that its hard to put in a value for looks because it can be so subjective. However, IMO, the GM still trounces the other 2 in looks, as well as the sound. That's gotta be worth something...
Does “enhanced” exhaust mean it pipes fake engine noise in though the speakers?
Yes many fords have been doing this since around 2015 as far back as I am aware.
@@alexnelson09 wow, you know, I just wouldn't feel like a man if my pickup truck had to use its stereo to make vroom vroom noises lol
@@MegaBlackley I think it started when then put the 4 cylinder turbo in the mustang. Then they just couldn’t stop
They started putting 4 cylinders in mustangs in 84 with the mustang SVO fox body. Don’t think they used the stereo then to amplify. Probably around 2015 because I don’t remember anything prior to that.
@@joshreynolds729 first 4cyl was in 74. First turbo 4 cyl was 79. I test drove the 79 back in the day. It was very used and very much a dog.
Ford messed up by not putting the 7.2kw as standard. It’s small at a $400 option, but so many dealers skip it🙄
I always custom order my trucks; the dealers always add BS to the lot trucks to increase the profit\asking price and I end up paying less by ordering exactly what I want, even if they are offering a slightly bigger discount on a lot vehicle. In this case, having the 7.2kw as an option makes more sense then increasing the whole line by $400 and making it standard.
That being said, any dealer that skips the 7.2kw option is an idiot.
@@Cloud30000 yuuup. & bedliners! For whatever reason, fords around me never have them. Every GM dealer has their trucks bed lined. I don’t get it lol.
You can always order your truck the way you want . Ford is cheap that’s why they don’t add stuff as a mandated thing that hikes the price as some may not want it but most will then you pay which makes prices competitive but really it’s bull. it’s up to the dealer to option out or add stuff then charge what they want for lot trucks upon allocation. This is why it makes sense to make your own orders as the other gentleman suggested above.
Ford is cheap!!!!😂 cheap made and then nickel and dime you to death for every little option you want.
At 30:55 there was an error in the equation. Ram's total was listed as "13", but should have been listed as "12". Also, on "DB Sound" all three were given a score of "3". I am not sure if that part was intentional, but no other scoring options had equal scores between even two of the options; all others were ranked first, second, and third.
How about a review on the QUALITY and RELIABILITY of GM-Ford-Ram...
Boring zzzzz
what about it? Do you own any of them? There are hundreds of thousands of owners of each that report never having issues - like myself. These owners, like myself take care of our vehicles, drive them with sense to get the most out of our investment. I would not have a concern about any of these trucks being able to get me through a blizzard, take me there and back again to some remote dirt road destination. I know if I do my part the trucks will do theirs. All of these three are very reliable vehicles anyone that says different either has a financial interest or is a fool.
If you have to ask it to change lanes...the steering wheel is already right there. What is the point?
It's a demo.
What's funny is the payload of my 1989 Jeep Comanche is 1,478lbs.
I had a 1990 jeep Comanche I miss that truck
Ford and GM offers their more powerful powertrains in cheaper trims than Ram offers their HO Hurricane in. Something to consider.
When repairs are need GM hands down cheaper to fix.period. From a mechanics view.
I'm old fashioned I want my truck to sound like a truck
Just get a Chevy or ford V8 delete the 4 cylinder mode and put a Boris exhaust on it then
Oof, my 95 Ranger has a 1600lb payload capacity. Not to mention a bed I can actually reach into from the sides.
I miss my '07 Ranger badly.
That era of Ford Ranger was so good. I miss my 2000.
It also didn't have all the safety equipments, all the leather, all the gizmos and things that weigh down modern vehicles. You want big payload, get a 2500 or larger.
Why would you have not chosen a higher trim for the Ford? Also a big win to the Ford for being aluminum, that is much appreciated by those of us who live in northern states!
Good for sheet metal, but the Ford still has a steel frame, rear axle and some suspension components
@@BC08 yeah and all that takes is spray some fluid film on the frame once a year. I have never had a problem with a frame getting anymore than surface rust.
Great review! I’ve got a 2017 F150 Lariat. Started looking for my next truck. I’m not happy with what I’m seeing. Great styling, features, but truck capacity keeps going down. Mine as 1863 lbs capacity. I’m seeing trucks with 300+ lbs LESS capacity. I really don’t want to move up to 3/4 ton HD truck. BUT, take a truck for towing a 26-30’ camper, 2 adults, 2 kids, really NOTHING in the bed and you can be at or over the GVWR of the truck, quickly. I’m running consistently 400-500lbs over GVWR because of the heavy tongue weight of my camper. (Another industry issue for another day) I’ve upgraded my suspension, added a class V hitch. I went from a 2013 to a 2017 because capacity was going up. All these features are driving the capacity down.
I bought a 2017 F150 xlt supercab a year ago as I was planning on getting a new truck but didn’t like what I saw at the prices they were at! I absolutely love this truck with the 5.0 as it’s such a pleasure to drive! It has everything that I was looking for in a truck and nothing that I didn’t want! It also has a payload rating of 1958 lbs.
The Ford F250 with the 6.8 would be a great option for you. Look the Superduty line can handle ALOT more abuse than the 1/2 tons, they aren't as quick, they don't ride isn't as nice, especially for someone constantly towing, they are a better option.
Nice review but dunno if a Denali Ultimate is comparable to a Lariat
Waiting to see $70,000 1/2 ton trucks with no recalls or class action lawsuits on them.
You might be surprised to learn there are law firms that exist solely to file lawsuits against the big three. Why? Because they have a lot of money and when you complain about why cars and trucks cost so much, much like healthcare, the steady stream of frivolous lawsuits add to the cost.
Those 6.2’s don’t like to be brake torqued. You just have to come to a complete stop and then floor it. Still not bad though, but it can be a lot better by just flooring it
I can't believe after all these videos they still brake torque them! Just floor it and it's way faster off the line
So true. I see a bunch of the 6.2 powered trucks where I live and they are definitely way faster than what they got. Even my old 2012 Silverado is the same way. If you brake torque it, it's slow, but if you just punch it it's much quicker.
It's still slow as shit...just goes to show that V8's aren't necessary today. You're basically paying for the sound which is stupid.
@@ducktails1695 5.4 seconds to 60 without brake torquing is slow then i guess so. If you don’t believe me. Check car and driver and also motor trend. I myself have a high country with this engine so i know from personal experience that it’s quicker than this. I’m sure you probably drive a civic si or something. lol
@@jcrews3 Sure....I bet you really got 5.4 seconds lol. Good one!
Interesting that Ram has the lowest payload, yet doesn’t even have the weight of a sunroof bringing it down. My guess is that the rear coil springs are likely to blame.
Lawyers* all of these trucks are underrated on payload by at least 30%
They have long had terrible payloads. Coil springs typically can't support as much weight because they connect to a single point on the frame, while leaf springs spread out that weight over a few feet. This is also why air springs are a bad idea on a leaf sprung vehicle. You are focusing a high load on a part of the frame that wasn't designed for it.
@@plmn93 Doesnt the raptor use coils and has more payload than the ram? I think there is more that factors into than just the coils. New tundra went from leafs to coils and saw an increase in payload. So there are definitely other factors
@@YerBoyTroy Yes there are other factors, but with all else being equal, leaf springs are going to be able to handle more weight which is why they have been used in trucks for so long.
@@plmn93 To be fair ram knows their user base. I would say a higher percentage of owners benefit from the increased unladen ride stability vs max payload capabilities. Most folks in fullsizes these days aren't utilitizing the max payload often
I found a 2001 quad cab off road edition with the 5.9 magnum and only 62K miles in Washington state a year ago. No rust, had to get a few dents taken out by a paintless dent repair guy. Had the motor tuned up and a leaking intake gasket fixed, runs great now. The loan will be paid off in one year, cost me $85 in interest. New truck prices are out of touch with the customer. My 1996 ram cost $24K fully loaded and has been the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned 150K and going strong.
I wish you guys could do a 200k test. My guess is the GMC 6.2 would win, turbos fail.
You are one of my FAVORITE RUclipsrs and I like how y’all get all the info for the viewers😍😍😀
Give me the GMC all day
Why?
IIRC, those rectangles on the GM exhaust are not connected to the exhaust, just the bumper. The actual exhaust “tips” are hidden behind them under the truck.
Can't afford all that crap
make more money
Why are you here? Get to work!
@@cwqrpportable haha im at work right now good point
@@tsu.cameron You have a good day. Prices have gotten crazy for everything.
@@cwqrpportable thanks
Just bought a 25 Ram.
Feels like I'm driving around in tow haul mode all the time. Missing my F150 with the wonderful little 2.7 and 10 speed.😥
I live in Michigan in the rust belt I will drive an alumiduty till the cows come home. Some kind of fluid film on the frame and some components and my truck from the bottom up looks brand new. Trucks are too much money to have them rust away.
I’m wondering if that noise was a loose turbo hose connection to the intake. I had a similar issue with my 2019 Ecoboost a year ago it sounded the same as that.
I wish I knew what made the seats on the Ram so much better, as I want to modify the seats in the Ford to be more comfortable.
Going from a 2019 Ram to a 2022 Ford, the seats are one of the things I really miss.
Funny thing about seats, they change so much over the years and not always for the better. After 12 trucks my hands down favorite seats were the captain seats in my 93 F-250. I later had a 2001 F-250 with captain seats and they were crap. After that had a 2006 Silverado 2500, those seats were quite comfortable. I now have a 2018 F-150 and the seats are so so. Something to be said of old big Buicks from the early 80's, they were always comfortable.
Seats are very subjective. Fords have always been some of the best for me, but some of that is just how they tend to position the seats.
I have a 2018 F150 with leather and the seats in my 2004 Expedition are so much more comfortable
I loved that data. You guys did an amazing job at testing the trucks
But will the rear window seal fail on RAM and corrode the RF module, and take 2 months to get parts?
My customer had the rear window seal fail and mildew his entire interior from Rain
Great video as always. I’ll wait for you guys to test the upcoming RamCharger though. That’s the one I’m interested in.
TFL-The Ford Lovers' channel lol.
The f150 limited does not offer the 3.5 high output ? Because I think that would be more comparable to the hurricane high output
3 Ohhhhhh Duramax way to go!
That engine is so good. Just been in one!
Lads i miss my Ram V8 Hemi so bad having moved to England where we dont (we do but not really) have pickup trucks. Can’t wait to move back to USA to get me my pick up again. I asked my kids which of my cars they liked the most and we all think Pickup. Roadtrips are so cool in a truck. Love your videos.
The new Ram engines have been a nightmare to service. It is body off to reach anything on the back of the engine. This is from a Ram technician. Lots of power, smooth, but when any major service is needed, expensive.
What is your opinion of the 3.6L V6?
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit It is underpowered for a pickup, but is relatively reliable and easy to service. Keep up with regular maintenance and it will last a long time. My personal Ram has the 5.7 Hemi which is smooth and great for towing. I get about 18 mph on my 50 mile round trip commute. The 3.6 would do a little better mpg, but could not tow my toy hauler.
@@Springfield2016 I was looking at the 2025 Ram Charger is why I ask about the 3.6L
@@Springfield2016 Common follower failures, common timing chain issues. Pentastar is junk
I hate working on a dodge never seen one easy to work on not a fan of dodge yeah there trucks are nice but when it's time to work on it nightmare
I have a '21 Platinum Powerboost and had my fuel pump replaced a few months ago. The dealer gave me a '23 Lariat as a loaner with these same seats, and they were definitely stiff and not anywhere as comfortable as the seats in mine.
No shit, you have a platinum. Platinum seats are different to the rest.
@@HemiJB91 Yea no shit, that was exactly my point. I commented about the seats they said were uncomfortable in the Lariat and said I noticed the same. Thanks for letting me know that my seats are different 👍
@@cjsaint09 welcome 🤡
I was wondering the same they should have compared a platinum to the others. I have a lariat myself and although I find it pretty comfy I’ve been inside a king ranch before and the seats were better. I think the Ford seats are up there with Rams if you compare the top trims. GM seats are super stiff
My 22 F150 STX with the 3.5turbo makes the sucking noise when you hit it hard. It's not that new and yes my truck is fast even without the powerboost. Best in class performance at doing truck things!
@@xSUPERoMANx I have the exact same set up and love it!
@ag8782 my friend in his scatpack was surprised at how hard he had to try to race my truck. He's an ecoboost believer now.
One of the categories they should have had for comparison is price. That’s very important.
You guys are right about the Ram interior. We have a 19’ limited and the seats really comfortable. However it’s not aging well the dash is coming unglued and labels are peeling off. The leather on the steering wheel is faded and lost its color. The boot to shifter ripped immediately. The padding on the top of the instrument cluster is not flushed with other panels and I can see behind it. The grab handle covers never stay in place. Meanwhile my 2020 F150’s interior is holding up just fine. No issues with interior not the nicest but aging waaay better.
Does the f150 have any problems so far?
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit nope
I have a 2017 XLT and the interior still looks like it’s brand new! 5.0 and it purrs like a kitten!
You obviously are full of crap! there is no boot in the Ram limited with the dial shifter!
That was one major thing i noticed about my Ram nothing seemed to hold up well interior wise. The Ford will still look good after 100k miles, Ram not so much.
You didn't mention the pricing...
What were the MSRP's on the trucks?
Andre and Nathan are like watching Tigger and Eeyore.
Keep doing videos like this. It was very well-made like it a lot.
Sounds like an angry Cuisinart lol
I have one and unfortunately it does lol
How are the seats in the higher trim levels of the Ford vs the Lariat?
As someone who’s worked at a Chrysler dealer for 11 years… it’s not the Ram
Was the 3.6L V6 reliable atleast? I wouldn’t buy a hemi
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit The Pentastar 3.6 is a massive hunk of crap
of course. Anyone with a pulse could say this
Nathan: “when you went hard, I didn’t feel any lag”. 11:31 mark 😂😂
Which is best comes down to reliability. What recalls are out in the first year? What percent of each brand had catastrophic failures in the first year? Looks are subjective, differences in 0-60 by seconds don't matter, towing differences of hundreds of pounds are minimal. We pay an outrageous, ridiculous, over-inflated price tag on vehicles that will beat my needs, not meet. Who purchases a vehicle without knowing if it will tow or haul to your needs? I want to know if I do the maintenance that my investment should run until the wheels fall off.
Aside from features, power, etc... I'm definitely more interested in build quality, longevity, and avg. repair cost post warranty, up to 100k miles.
The grill of the GMC is ugly but the 6.2 sounds the best, sure wish Ram would've put their 6.4/392 in the 1500, the car motor at least in the luxury top of the line or express trim, one's not for work unlike the 2500.
I couldn't disagree more on that new grill. I think it looks fantastic. To each their own 🎉.
Do they all use laminated glass in the side windows? I would suggest you do the noise test at ear level between occupants and one on the left ear level of the driver to be accurate.
On the Dodge Ram, when it showed from your camera truck. It did not look like it was more to the left. It looked like it was in the center of the road
If there's a coyote, that's the truck I'm picking
At near sea level, the 5.0 F150 is best overall half-ton going.
@@BC08Absolutely!
@@BC08 Have a 2017 F-150 XLT 2WD Supercab 5.0 V8 , 6 Spd with 220,000 miles. Oil changes, brakes and tires. Nothing replaced under the hood. VERY reliable, durable and surprisingly fast truck. 4,150 LBS. No trouble to leave a BMW M series in the dust. Only complaint about the truck, is it is very basic and plain interior, but it was only 33,600 $ off the lot new. Oh, and the entire wiper system is junk (arms, transmission).
As much as I hate to say this, but GM wins because of the 6.2 and the 3.0 Duramax. I just can't get over Ford and Ram taking away the V8.
GM has lifer failure and the worst transmission of the three.
Ford didn’t take away the v8, have the 5.0
@@realjredecop On the higher trim levels they did.
@@sprint2648 I don't think so.
@@realjredecop Yes, and the 5.0 is arguably their worst F-150 engine according to reports on the forums, with cam phaser and oil consumption problems. But some people still seem to think these are the simple pushrod V8s from decades ago. They are every bit as complex and expensive to repair as the turbocharged sixes.
What were the price differences between the two?
Or....which truck is the most reliable over time?
None of em
Even the Toyota fanboys are suddenly silent on that, lol. The fact is that ALL modern trucks are full of expensive technology that can be very expensive to repair.
Titan 😂
Sadly it's in its final production year and discontinued after 2024!@@Drg24800
Most reliable truck made in the last 15 years 15-17 5.0 F150.
Yes, it’s also more reliable than the 5.7 Tundra
i got a 2013 ram 1500 310,000km on it and still running very good. definitely just going to buy an older used truck when my current ones time has come
The Gmc looks and sounds the best. Ideally, for towing and fuel economy, there should be a diesel hybrid that would be awesome.