FORD vs GMC, The Truth and nothing but the Truth
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- Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2023
- Today we compare the 2023 Ford F350 Lariat with 6.7 Power Stroke Diesel to the GMC 3500 AT4 with Duramax Diesel #1FORD #diesel #GMC
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I will never have a truck as nice as these. Let alone two of them. This, said, I will never stop trying.
One day bro
Been watching you guys for years - but never commented so here goes. We 2:41 love the stories and the videos. We are in Aruba for two weeks and the best part of the trip is my wife and I still get our daily dose of Mike Morgan!! Continued success.
Great (and unbiased I feel like) comparison Mike. Surprising the difference in the fuel mile between the two which after a year really adds up.
Great job on your review. I have enjoyed a lot of your content. Your tractor related videos played a role in my Kubota tractor selection. My current daily driver is a 2023 GMC Sierra 2500 Denali short bed with the Duramax Diesel. I've loved the truck for many of the same reasons you say here, especially the soft ride and maneuverability. You mentioned that your AT4 has adaptive cruise, which is interesting because my Denaili does not. It has the controls and the display icon, but I've never noticed it to work. Be patient on the mileage issue. You should be seeing improvements soon. I noticed quite a large improvement on MPG once the truck passed 10K miles. I'm currently at 20K and I've noticed it improve a bit up to this point. When I purchased, the dealer mentioned that mileage would be poor for a few thousand miles while the motor "broke in". I've never checked mileage by doing the math at the pump but the truck displays an average 20+ mpg at highway speeds all the time now. It was pretty awful (similar to what you said) for the first 10K miles. You also mentioned that you expected the power steps to break. I noticed a few times around 10K miles that they would deploy and stow 2x when I opened my door. It didn't happen every time, but enough that I noticed it several times. I happened to have it at the dealer for an oil change and they asked if I noticed any issues with them because they had a programming recall. After the re-program I haven't had any problems with them. I'd love to see you hang on to both trucks for the purpose of long term reviews. Thanks again for the your insite and efforts. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Arizona!
GM didn't introduce Adaptive Cruise on any HD truck until the 2024 model year and is why I wouldn't have considered one until now. It is a standalone option on lower trim trucks, and is either included or can be added with other packages on mid trim and higher trucks.
@jamesmoore9008 It's crazy how much new tech is in the '24s. I have a friend that purchased a "24 SLE and it has several options including adaptive cruise that my truck doesn't.
I vote to keep the trucks and ditch the Bronco too!!! No pressure Melissa, you got this!
Agree
Next thing you'll say is ditch the Rubi...Dems fighten' words 😀
I like the bronco, think they’re pretty cool but I think I’d keep the trucks. As for the jeep, I’d keep it and i bet Eva would agree.
Keep both and put a topper on the GMC so you have good storage out of the weather. Then you can set up the F350 for a gooseneck if that ever comes down the line. Bye, bye Bronco.
Hope you actually went out and voted today??? Come on America your vote matters! Trump 2024
Hi Michael! Informative comparison, thanks! I’ve been watching your experience with these trucks with interest, and thought I would add my two cents. I have a 2021 GMC Sierra 5.3 gas, loaded up. I don’t put many miles on it, and about a year ago almost to the day, I was stopped at a light near my house, and noticed the engine running rough. Light turned green, went by the GMC dealership and the engine felt worse. I pulled into a parking area, and every light on the dashboard lit up! Limped back to the dealership, it was broken lifters! At barely 7,000 miles! It’s not an isolated problem Michael, I know several other people that it’s happened to. It was fixed and returned in 2 days. I still have the truck, with about 14,000 miles, but like I say, watching your comparison with interest! Oh, I will say, I’ve heard of catastrophic engine or transmission failure with all three US manufacturers! It’s not a good feeling.
Unfortunately GMC’s full size trucks aren’t that reliable anymore but all the Fords from the 1500 to 3500 aren’t any better.
The GMC 2500s with the Duramax and Allison transmissions are far more reliable than the Ford offerings.
Toyota Tundra, 5.7L V8 or 4.6L V8 (million mile engine). Skip the new ones.
Great review.. I have 6500 miles on my 24 Chevy 2500 Duramax. I am seeing a mpg increase the last 500 miles. I was averaging g 13.6.. now I’m see closer to 16-17 . It did improve for me. I do like the power stroke also… in fact I like all three diesels. The front independent suspension does make the difference for GM.
Great video, fair comparision on both. Add a Carli suspension (2.5") level on the Ford and she will ride better than our GMC 1500. Major difference and no sacrifice on load and pulling ability. Handling as well as overall control will also be better. I then added 37's and PCM to adjust speedo.
I’m laughing so hard from the nap story. My dad passed a couple years ago, but this would have totally been something he would have done. Thanks for the good laugh Mike. Appreciate you!
Yeah the nap story was good. I did that once years ago in road construction. I was the first one in line at the flagman and I was familiar with this particular const zone so I knew I was going to be there about 15 minutes. So I took a little nap, mid afternoon, and when I came around, I looked up just as the flagman was turning the sign around. Honest. LOL I couldn't believe it!
Nice comparison. I'm needing a daily driver farm truck and am in the Chevy/GMC gas 1 ton camp for ride quality around local roads. One of your recent videos told me all I need to know about choosing by GVWR for the use of a 14K trailer. Manufacturers are now blurring over the 12K GVWR that restricts what you can tow without a CDL. Thanks again Mike.
You can just get different stickers and if your running private id doubt you will ever have any problems from DOT even if you go over weight
Brand new truck and a decent looking trailer you will likely never get pulled over but if you get in a wreck you might be in trouble. Farm plates can get you away with almost anything withing 50 or 100 miles of the farm depending on where you are .
Also be careful about the GVWR since in my F150 it's rated for 13K but only with weight distribution. Without weight distribution, it's rated for 5k. It was on a sticker under the hitch
Excellent video, thank you. I have the exact GMC truck as your, except in the Denali Package. I've installed Sulastic Shackles, and front/rear Bilstein 4600 shocks. I installed each, one at a time, to find out how each would improve the ride. The shackles and rear shocks didn't have too much of a noticeable improvement. However, the front shocks replacement was very much an improvement. I would at a minimum do the fonts, you will be happy. Good luck, keep up the great videos.
Mike, I've been watching you scince you were a guy showing chain saws and log splitting. Like a backyard guy getting ready for winter. How much has changed over the years! I'm glad you're doing so well; and I like all the wood splitting and especially the sawmill tips. I'm not commercial, so I work on a much smaller scale. God bless you and thanks for being there for us RUclipsrs.
Good for Melissa. Focusing on comfort and function makes a lot of sense.
Great video Mike! Both beautiful trucks! I do like that Ford, one thing that stands out is the keypad…I love never having to worry about keys I always leave them in the truck. Simple thing but it matters to me.
Both have a phone app to open doors if you wish to leave the keys in them...
@@waynetharp I have had both the keypad is most reliable to me, the apps didn’t always work for me plus that means you do need to carry your phone also. Choices are a good thing!
"Taxylvania!" YUUUP! Thanks for a fair review. Both are great trucks. I am on my third F350 CCLB diesel (2022 model) and they are beast in parking lots for sure. I'm used to it. Personally, I'd struggle with owning a vehicle with massive capabilities and then not being able to slide a sheet of plywood in the bed, put up the tailgate and pull over the tonneau cover. But, that's my priority. I live in more rural area so LB is fine. I get great mileage with mine. It is sensitive to speed. I think you should do a real mileage performance review where you capture a loop and include a regeneration cycle in each. Also, thanks for posting real towing mileage. I see so many people trying to say they can get 15mpg towing a 14K# fifth wheel triple axle camper. I'm like...I have never seen that with lighter loads even. Keep up the good work!
I have a 2015 Denali Duramax 3500. I purchased used in 2019 with 92,000 miles on it. Since then I've but another 80,000 miles. As far as I know, the brake pads hadn't been replaced when I purchased it and I haven't replaced them Either. There is still plenty of pad left. Since I live in the mountains I use my exhaust brake almost all the time. I love that I can step the cruise control down when the speed limit goes down and it will bring it to the new set point quickly
Nice review Mike fair and objective in my opinion. As others have stated check the rear end ratio on both as it really determines fuel mileage. Good luck whichever you choose.
You know that the rear end isn't the only gear on the truck right? Tranny gears plus rear end will tell you the whole story
@@jeffhall768 Very true Jeff however, the customer has no choice in transmission gears only the rear differential.
Thanks Mike. Great review. I can see where trading the Bronco would make sense. I have always seen vehicles like Broncos and Jeeps as fun play and off road vehicles but not very useful as hauling and towing platforms. The truck world has come a log ways to add creature comforts while still maintaining a good hauling and towing vehicle.
I have a crew cab 8 foot bed Silverado and its a lot of fun trying to park in these tight parking lots. I just bought myself a brand new personal truck recently too a new Denali Ultimate. I kinda wish I waited a little bit because right after I got it the 24 3/4 and 1 ton Ultimate came out. Not that I need another HD truck but it would have been nice. That half ton Ultimate though is so damn nice. It has the LZ0 Duramax and it gets crazy fuel mileage. I have a house just a little north of you and I live on the beach in SC. I just went from up north back to SC for a few weeks and when I left up there I hadn't filled up in 2 weeks. I got all the way to High Point, NC and still had between an 1/8th and 1/4 think it only has a 22 gallon tank. I topped off in NC and drove another 5 hours home and I still had 3/4 tank when I got home. I drove around 3 weeks and still had a half tank. On the highway I have got as high as 39mpg. It averages like 27mpg just daily driving. The LZ0 is a 3.0 straight 6 diesel. 305hp and 475 ft/lbs. What gears do you have in these trucks. Maybe they are geared different that could account for the difference in fuel mileage. I guess these new 10 speeds kinda make up for it some but if you have something like 410 in the GMC and say a 373 or something in the Ford that can explain the difference in fuel mileage. Are you using additive in your diesel? I add every filling. They tell you to buy top tier diesel but there is literally nowhere around here that sells it. Even if they did I would still add additive.
I have a RAM 2500 Power Wagon. They only come with a 6.4 Lt Hemi but it has performed beautifully for me. I too haul tractors to my farm but most of the time it back and forth to work and a "grocery getter", so it's had a pretty sheltered life, but it has performed outstandingly. My only complaint about the truck is, it hasn't met a gas station it doesn't like...A LOT!!! But that comes with the territory of a truck that size.
To your comparison of the driving of the FORD being like driving a school bus, I understand. I only have a 6ft bed and the turning radius really stinks, making parking in any parking lot (and staying between the lines) a real challenge. I can only imagine what it is like with an 8 ft bed.
Like you said, making a choice between is really a personnel one and I agree. Both look like great machines its about what you like the best. Personally I would go with the GMC because I don't like the 8 ft bed. If I need to haul something longer than 6 ft and I don't or can't let it hang over the tail gate I just use my trailer. But that's just me. You do you Mike.
Sorry. Hopefully you can get a better truck soon
Best milage i have gotten out of my 2022 gmc is 21.7. It did take about 15000 miles before it started averaging right around 20mpg. I would guess the ford may even improve more as well. Great video!
I'm at 22k miles in my 2022 at4 3500...I average around 16, but mine is lifted 6 inches on 37's.
A very good video. They are both nice trucks. I see in the comments some people mention GM's independent front end. When those came out in the late 80's I was driving a 1978 K20 4x4 work truck. It was great. I remember thinking what has GM done to the heavy duty trucks? That's a deal breaker for me. It seems some other people agree. As always thank you for a good video.
Great review, Mike! Those fancy tailgates are fine where they don't use road salt. I give them 5 years max in Michigan winters and they will be failing left and right. When I had a truck as my daily driver, I would remove the tailgate from November through May just to keep it from rotting out.
Both have aluminum tailgates so maybe that will help with the longevity
@@tpresten Salt can be very unkind to aluminum as well...only time will tell.
Yeah Michigan is a horrible place. Ter rorists moose limbs and liberals. Well they are the same thing.
Seems like it would be better to just move south!
@@AppliedOCDroad salt has been nothing to my f150
I like your story about the nap in stopped traffic. I used to pick up my daughter from middle school. While waiting in the pick up line I fell asleep twice, held up traffic like you described. It was embarrassing.
We’re at 650,000 miles on our 2019 f350 with no major breakdowns. I have always said the GM trucks ride nicer. I would think that with the fords riding rougher that the front end parts would wear out, not any yet. We do replace the OE shocks with bilsteins, huge improvement.
650 thousand miles uh you might want to consider trading that worn out turd in just saying 😅
@@Michael.j130 nope. Still earning $3,000 a week. I think we’ll keep her.
@@Michael.j130gm is way worse
Great truck review, Mike. I feel SURE that with Melissa's input, the Bronco is history !! Personally, I lean more to the GMC !!
On the Multipro tailgate. I always saw it as kind of gimmicky too until i owned one. After having my 24 GMC 3500 since June i dont know if i would ever want to go back to a standard tailgate again. As a not so tall person at 5'8" it makes a huge difference for bed access on my 3500 and it makes getting in and out of the bed so much easier especially for my wife who is like 5'3".
I like your story Mike, about the nap. I did the same thing back in the day went to sleep beside the road. I was tired and I was trying to get home for Thanksgiving and some guys stopped behind me to either steal the truck or steal what was in it and when I woke up and sat up in the seat, they ran back, got their car and took off so I went ahead and started my truck and went on home. It all turned out good.
Thanks for the comparison. I wonder what each would be like in 10 years.
Very fair/accurate/ impartial reviews for both pickup trucks. I also agree that both pickups will remain in your fleet, keeping both of you happy. It appears that both of you have fell in love with the pickups and have pretty much decided on what you want especially being the Bronco is just sitting collecting dust. Good luck with your new dump.
The reason Fords Ride is so ruff? Just look under it and look at the frame! It's built to handle way more weight than the gvw says!!!! Yahoo Ford
agreed
Great review Mike. It would be very interesting to see the purchase cost comparison.
Good review Mike, I can see where this is going. Great choice Melissa, you look good in the GMC and you'll enjoy it too. Thanks for sharing with us and you both will be happy with your choices together. Stay safe and keep up the good work and videos. Fred.
Melissa looks good in a rusty Yugo.
I'm a GM kind of person. I have owned Fords and Rams. One Ram i bought, I was in love with it for 508 miles until filling up the gas tank and the motor blew up. The dealer never told me why or what went wrong with the motor. They called me a month later to come in and pick out another truck. They had given me a loner. So I picked out another truck just the same as the first. It had other issues of it's own, later on. The whole front end none of the bolts were tight and I mean everyone. Once fixed it was good. On to the Chevy truck i have now. Driving home which was 30 miles, wasn't sure i would make it home. The steering wheel would wander everywhere. So going down the interstate i would be in one lane, hit a bump and end up in the other lane. This all happened after the dealership was closed, at night. After returning to the dealer, they said nothing was wrong with it. And i came very close to punching the service manager in the nose. I ended up going to another dealership and they found out the steering box was defective. As i stood outside of the cab and turned the steering wheel the tires didn't turn. Me personally don't like sunroofs. The truck i have now was the one with the bad steering which I bought at the beginning of 2018, it has barely over 16,000 miles on it. I've been retired since the end of 2010 and really don't drive much. It's a 2500 HD 4x4 bright red with the black interior with console. I prefer the console over the flip over seat thingy that a lot of trucks have. That's all I got to say about that!
Ford is better
@@issavibez394 that is a laugh
Ford looks more aggressive plus their the most used truck in business industry it should tell u something
Best review I've seen, I'm personally a Ford guy but nothing wrong with that GMC. Sharp truck.
Same here. And I usually end up preferring the looks of the GMC over the Chevy.
@@willb3018
No doubt, GMC looks a lot better than it's brother.
Same here! Ford guy too but gotta admit that I can't resist the GMC.
I assume they both have the same axle ratios and similar tire size. My Chevy 2500 HD Duramax 3.73 rear gets slightly over 21 mpg empty in the mountains of Potter County Pa. Good video Mike, I enjoy watching!
Thank you for this video my husband is debating on these very 2 trucks I'm going to show him this video thank youuu
Great video Mike. I enjoyed the nap story! God bless the Morgan family 🙏🦅🇺🇸
The aluminum body on the Ford truck is amazing in northern northern ny I have a 2015 f150 no rust on the body!
Hi, love watching your videos, got into watching you because of the saw milling and excavator. Thanks to you, I've just tipped over my first tree, an 80' tall ash.
Anyhow, I would trade in the Bronco, you can get a nice flat top cap for the GMC and it will be an amazing vehicle for Melissa.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Another great video Mike. Great comparisons/review on the pick up trucks.
I like your honest assessment of both vehicles. Ford and GM produce high quality vehicles. It appears that there are similar features and to make a decision on what your truck you prefer is certainly a personal choice. I've always owned Chevrolet S-10s and a Silverado until I went and purchased a 2015 GMC Sierra. The 2015 Sierra turned out to be wise selection. Sadly, the 2015 was totaled in a motor vehicle accident caused by a driver that was texting. With the insurance settlement, I went out a purchased a 2018 Sierra which I'll keep since it does not have a lot of miles and I'll be retiring soon which means that I'll put less miles on it.Great video. Have a great day. From your friends in Northern Vermont.
Just make sure to take care of your transmission in that 18'. Lost mine a few months back with only 120k miles. Now the engine is surging and the tailgate won't open. Forcing me to consider a new one which hurts because I bought it for 23k back then, and now that same truck is 48k. 😮
I'm always like Chevrolet trucks
Hey Mike. I had a couple questions about the differences in the trucks. I was wondering if you noticed any difference in ride quality between the 2 loaded and also does one squat more than the other with a lot of tongue weight from a trailer. I enjoy your channel very much. Thanks!
The gmc handles better and rides better, they squat about the same.
But gm's ifs allows the gmc to make a unturn on a 2 lane no problem, the ford's gonna need to do a 3 point.
Thank you!
Very insightful review. I wanted to make one comment regarding the brake dust of the Ford. Race cars put soft rubber tires on because of their extra grab. Super hard tires slide. The same goes with brake shoes. Softer ones give you better stopping distance, however they shed more dust. You'll notice Mercedes and BMW's due to their softer brake pads all have the dust problem. You may want to look into the stopping distance stats on each truck. Imagine if you were doing a panic stop, and the greater braking ability made all the difference between a collision and not having one. (I understand that would be a pretty dramatic difference.)
Also, pertaining to the comfort ride a softer suspension will do that but they tend to hop more when going over bumps reducing contact and performance.
All the fancy little features aside, for me it comes down to comfort, ergonomics, and driveability, i.e. are the seats comfortable? especially for long trips. how are the controls? are they where they should be? How does it perform?- good throttle response, tow-ability etc.
Love the review. Thank you.
Great review on both trucks. I'll bet the Bronco hits the road as I agree, they cramped inside compared to these two one tons. I would go the GMC only because I have broken my back in 5 places, and ride is without doubt number one in my book
wow...what happened compadre? ....if it's not too personal
There was no real Need for the Bronco.. They have a Jeep in the mix that does the job quite adequately … The Bronco looks like a Jeep that got stung by bee’s LOL…
Ford has better seats.
@@BCDanno63 Sttaus symbol. lol
@@bennym1956 😶………🫡😶🌫️🫥……… 😉
I love your comment about fuel efficence parking. I'm a Chevy guy but your are correct.
This is by far the most honest review of two different brand of trucks.
Thank you.
I appreciate this review. Fair comparison. As someone whos towed a light landscape trailer 4-5k daily for the past 6 years I got rid of my 2500hd due to the atrocious ride and cost of maintenance. Ive picked up a Tundra a few years back and have never been happier. Plenty of power, comfortable and didnt break the bank. Long term reliability IDK yet but should be good knowing toyota. If I needed an HD truck again I think I might go ford and that's after owning GMs for 20 years. I just find their reliability to have slid quite a ways.
I’m in the same boat, been driving gm 3/4 tons for almost 30 years, currently on my second hd diesel, love the Powertrain but it just seems to go to hell everywhere else. Thinking of trying ford next time around. The aluminum body panels interest me. No rust, that way.
The older 2500s were the bomb. My 2004 has 301,000 miles and never been in the motor or tranny
The truck still drives excellent and I can’t justify buying a new one .
@@jphickory522 my experience too. Pre 07 body style change they were rock solid. Had many 90s and early 2000s trucks that gave hardly an issue except some trans issues.
Interesting cause I'm a landscaper that had 2 tundras but sold the one to get a new HD. Towing and working in general with an HD it's a big difference compared to the Tundra. Tundra is still very decent for the easier jobs and lighter loads but also it will require more maintenance (new brakes etc) if you use it for work compared to an HD that it's made for it. Just my experience. I like having both. HD for heavier loads that the Tundra can't do and Tundra for lighter stuff
@@Pantelifts10 Yep different strokes for different folks. I got rid of anything i needed an HD truck for. Keep in mind the tundra can tow 10k which is plenty for me. It feels more powerful and stable at speed(my 2500hd would get thrown all over the place when I hit uneven surfaces). Ive got 62k on it now and just replaced my first set of tires. All other wear parts(including brakes) are in the green according to the sheet the service department gives you. I dont tow heavy. 3-4k 5-7 days a week since new. My 2500hd was rated for 13k. The motor was a dog and trans let loose at 120k. Not to mention the other 10k in repairs it cost me over that 120k( i could make a list a mile long of failures from major to annoying) . I just plain don't trust GM after 2 major failures at or below 120k( the other was an engine in a previous truck). I do maintenance on time and whenever is recommended by the dealer. Like I mentioned above, I would probably buy a ford if i needed another HD truck. Not sure what manufacturer you went with but I hope you have better luck than me.
Hi Mike, I’m from Australia and we do have these here but they’re so expensive but I like the GMC I just think they look better but that’s only a personal reference. I’m not a Real Ford guy , I’ve had a couple and they always give me trouble
Mike another great video you know the big thing is I think in life is when you take the time to really resource things before we act if we all did that I think would be in a better world. Thanks for being in it buddy.
“A swing and a miss.” Like that,,,I’ll be using that sometimes in the future. 😊
Had both in 21 and after having an 18 L5P I was really disappointed in GM. Had tranny issues, electronic issues, ac didnt work, long story short I got rid of it at 5k miles and bought a F250. Its been amazing, really like it so far I will see how it holds up.
My experience with GM as well. Falling apart at 30K miles. Traded 2015 Yukon Denali for 2019 Ram Limited and didn't look back. Still have the Ram not a single problem since new.
I bought a new gmc 2500 in 2020 and started having emission problems at 15k. Straight to the dealership to trade in. Went back to ram, no problems since.
Why the hell would you have problems with a 2 month old ram? 😂😂😂@@treeamigo8447
Ford sucks too. Sorry.
@@lastcall170 no worries I dont get offended by immature non factual opinions
The 3.0 duramax makes the power of the big diesels from 15-20 years ago, and gets incredible mpg. I'd honestly like to see a heavy half to fill the void between the line up that would make more sense for more ppl. Having a truck that can pull a building off of its foundation is overkill for most people who have them.
The Ford F150 3.5 has more hp and almost as much torque as my 2005 2500 duramax with the Allison transmission. 400hp and 500 tq. There has been many documented on RUclips problems with the 3.0 duramax I think they put the motor out too soon. I think most of the issues have been ironed out
I think those mirrors on the GMC has that backup light in them. It makes a huge difference when backing.
That Multipro Tailgate is sweet as long as you are not hooked to a trailer. i have owned 2 Duramaxs with a combined total of 800k miles and no one issue with the Allison Transmission.
Fantastic review ! As a current 2021 AT4 (38,000 miles) owner (5th GMC) and past super duty owner (5 of those) either way you are getting a great truck! Pittsburgh city driving I see about 14; pittsburgh highway around 18-19; Highway elsewhere 22-25; all unladen. 8500 lb trailer 13-14 city (unless in regen) or highway. I will say whether PowerStroke 7.3, 6.0 or Duramx 6.6l I have witnessed a couple mile increase around 10,000 miles. I (as well as many others I'm sure) was/am starting to wonder if you may keep both and trade something else
First time watcher. Great video. Liked the nap story 😂. Just got a 23 f250 tremor. Only complaint is the terrible turning radius. Been driving long bed crew cab diesels (not fords) for over 26yrs and never missed as many turns as I have in the last 3 weeks in the f250, and it’s a short bed…
Get an F450 next time. The turning radius will blow your mind.
Great review Mike! On your analysis of "are you sure"? 100% accurate. Lol
Thanks for the most comprehensive and unbiased review I have ever heard.
Both pick up are very nice. Can't wait for your next video to see what you keep. THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
Thanks Mike for the video......I was sitting here wondering what are the Gear Ratios between the 2 trucks , sounds like the GMC has a lower gear ratio from the Ford hence the lower fuel mileage...
First thing I thought of what rear ends do the have
The GMC is 3.42, that is the only ratio they put in them with a Duramax. Ford i believe they offer 3.55, 3.73 and 4.10 in the F350. None of those would be better for fuel mileage than a 3.42 on paper.
Very good reviews, the Ford SD's have a straight front axle housing where the GM's use independent front suspension. Hence the reason for the different rides, in my opinion.
I,ve had the long bed truck, the standard bed (half back door), and the full 4 door with short bed, my vote is for the standard bed, it has decent storage and much, much easier to navigate turns and parking lots.
Good morning , love your review. I agree with the others Bronco should be the one to trade in if the money all works out. Love my Ford 2023 F350 6.10 bed. 4K payload . Selling our 37 year business and will start traveling next year. FYI have 7.3 gas and mileage ( only have 2800 miles) no load 13 , with camper 10-11. Needed to go with gas to get best payload . Thanks again.
Good Tuesday morning Mike, Melissa and family! Rut is still going strong here in SE PA. Still waiting on my target buck! Have a day and shoot straight!
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Morning
My Son goes to work about 4 in the Morning, he has been seeing huge Bucks and lots of Does about an hour West of Detroit 😊
Great video, Mike! We really are enjoying our F350 with the big V8 gas engine. There are some issues with the transmission (we've made some videos about it), but overall it's a great truck.
Is that the 7.3L?
Is that the one they call the Godzilla motor?
Just drove a friend's Ford with the 7.3 gas.
Nice truck.
Hate those holes in the roof !!
@@haroldphipps3457 Yes- it’s commonly called the Godzilla 7.3 gasser. We’ve made several videos about it on our channel if you’d like to check them out.
Transmission problems with a Ford truck? No kidding. Really. And have to remove the cab from the frame to access the transmission. Some Ford engineers “better idea”.
@@jrwstl02By design, do your homework!
@@mr.wilson8340 oh mr.Wilson, I more than “did my homework”. I spent $80k and owned one for 40k miles. The cab was removed twice, trans replaced, converter replaced. Never again. Replaced Ford truck with GMC, over 120k now, no problems.
👍👍👍👍👍👌thanks for the reviews very important for those looking at different models and specs, thanks for sharing.
Good review. I just looked at a new 2024 Chevy Silverado crew cab trail boss. I havent looked at Ford, but you convinced me after seeing the interior, I have to check out those plush looking seats!
I put alot of miles on my daily driver, and my Butt comfort is important! Have a great week Morgan's!
Here's my experience with both trucks.
2023 GMC Sierra 2500 Denali Duramax (owned 9 months): Leaking rear window, adaptive cruise control not working, fluid leak from rear differential pinion seal, "typewriter" tick from engine. Great looking truck that has an outstanding ride. The Duramax is a thirsty motor compared to the PSD for sure. Found brake pad dusting on the wheels to be worse on the GMC than the Ford. Traded with 2600 miles.
2023 Ford F-350 Lariat (ultimate) S.O. PSD: 2000 miles: no issues. Exhaust brake on the Ford is stronger than the GMC.
It would be interesting to keep both trucks and see how they perform over the long term.
Most people really want to know total cost after about 150K miles.
The adaptive CC and auto high/low beams are my favorite features on my RAM
I hear ya on long wheel bases, my 3500 Silverado crewcab with 8 ft bed really does make getting a trailer backed around in the woods between the trees a chore.....but the longer wheelbase makes towing a large camper much better in high winds or with tractor trailers passing , no sway.
Nice review. I would like to point out that your GMC has the first gen L5P and it makes 445 hp and 910 foot pounds of torque. The gen 2 in the 2024s is what makes 470 hp and 975 pound feet of torque.
Interesting about the fuel mileage. Usually they both get similar and both are a lot closer to your GMCs than the Ford. But it is what it is in that regard.
The GMC “short bed” is 6’10”.
Geez, kind of wrecks the comparison lol
In east central Alabama a couple days ago, diesel was $3.62 / gal. Offroad was $ 3.51.
That is a great price for Diesel. Last time I filled up in with regular gas in North Texas it was $2.62😊
Good vid, great content comparison, honesty. Nice trucks both.
Nice comparison . Thanks!
Almost as good as Eva's review! :) Nice trucks, can't go wrong.
What is the rear end gear ratio in both trucks ? That will make a big difference in fuel mileage. Great content by the way . Been watching a long time .
Right.. I've never seen a ford truck get better mileage than a gm truck equipped the same....
The GMC is 3.42, that is the only ratio they put in them with a Duramax. Ford i believe they offer 3.55, 3.73 and 4.10 in the F350. None of those would be better for fuel mileage than a 3.42 on paper. Transmission are geared pretty similar too so if that Ford has 3.55's in it they would be pretty darn close on the gearing. Close enough that it probably does not matter.
I wonder if the mileage drop off on the GMC was because the truck was doing a DPF regen at the time that he checked it. I own a 24 Denali 3500 with DRW and my truck will do over 22 unloaded on a long highway trip so long as its not doing a regen then it drops off into that 17 range. Unfortunately GM does not tell you when the truck is doing a regen so the only way to know is a scanner app or something like an IDash.
@@MrBubbahunt9 - May be the Ford 10 speed trans making the difference, but the horror stories about the Ford 10 speed trans and fuel system issues, no thanks.
@@collinmorgan20 - Interesting. If I was going to take either, it would be the GM for the ride quality. But that being said, I have owned Dodge / Ram trucks with cummins since 1999 and they have served me well with high towing mileage and minimal issues.
@@collinmorgan20 They are not exactly the same transmission. There are quite a few teardowns videos here on youtube showing the differences in both. Same "design" on paper but very different implementations. Gear ratio's differ slightly too.
Fuel systems are not the same either. Ford still uses the Bosch CP4.2 pump. In 2017 GM went with a Denso HP4 pump on the L5P engines which is said to not have the reliability issues the CP4 has. The rail and injectors are Denso as well on the L5P.
My wife daily drives a 2019 sierra 3500 duramax. She loves it. She runs 20 mpg. So I think you'll eventually get better, but driving style means a lot in fuel economy with the duramax. It does love to drink fuel with a heavy foot. My warning to those wanting a diesel for daily driving would be a lot of short tripping destroys the dpf. My wife runs 70 plus miles a day and in 75,000 miles, no issues. Thanks for sharing, Mike. I love a good comparison review. Especially when you own the both and have experience.
Nice review of the trucks Mike. good points, my chevy was over 12k before mileage started to go up..
Melissa is more comfortable in the trucks now..
Great unbiased video. We have a 23 F250 Tremor and a 23 Bronco Sasquatch. I fully support trading the Bronco. Its a fun vehicle, but when it comes to comfort and practicality the truck wins. In fact, that’s been the case with every set of vehicles we’ve owned - usually a truck and an suv- the truck always gets the call for long road trips etc… To be honest my F250 rides nicer than the Bronco imo, that may be in part due to the Tremor suspension. As for the Ford vs. GMC, both nice trucks and the better ride is explained by the independent front suspension on the GMC vs Ford’s solid axle. For long term reliability in an HD truck I prefer the solid axle even though ride and handling do suffer.
Mike,
If I was in your position with a business. I would keep both trucks and get rid of the bronco. Can't carry a load of firewood or lumber in the bronco. And maybe someday you both may want to get a Fifth wheel or a travel trailer. If I got rid of one of the trucks it would be the GMC. The gas mileage would be determining factor.
Good morning Mike,
Good, fair and honest review. Personally I'm a bowtie guy. Having a vehicle with all the goodies can and does hurt the pocketbook on repairs. I believe you have the extra warranty which is probably a good thing, because something(s) will go goofy and dealing with ANY dealership is ridiculous in labor rates AND parts. The only thing you commented that confused me is that you don't go in for ALL the doo-dads. With that said, did you not ORDER the Ford specifically the way you wanted?? I know that you've said numerous times you don't care what we think or do and I'm good with that. Just 1 person's opinion. Have a good time with the new vehicles.
Great comparison of the two trucks. The highs in your opinion and the lows also. Truth - I like the GMC, not a fan of Fords. Personel reasons but that another story. I relate to your statement of making sure "If the wife is sure make sure she is sure that she is sure she is sure. Otherwise.....well ya know. Think it will be the Bronco that goes on the trade-in. Have a good day today and a better tomorrow.
GOOOOOOD
MAAAAAAAAWNIN EVERYONE OUT THERE IN OWTM VIDEO LAND!!!….Thanks for the review Mike.
Hoping Melissa makes a great decision & NEVER 2nd guesses it.
Have a Day
HELLOOOO Hunter 😊
Hi Jack
@@OutdoorsWithTheMorgans don’t ever say that on an airplane ✈️
Trade the bronco. That way if you have a lot to take to WV you can hook a trailer up to both pickups and Melissa can drive one too.
Bet the Bronco is GONE!😊
You waited a long time for that Bronco and always wanted one but best to go with what Melissa wants. Nice review on both vehicles.
Really happy with my 22 Silverado. Does ride very nice.
But I absolutely hate the driver seat. I’ve been searching for a wrecked Ford to buy a driver seat from to see if I can retrofit the bottom portion to fit with the heated/cooled seats lol.
Superb side by side comparison, Mike! I am somewhat shocked at the vast difference in gas mileage unladen, but not much variance when laden. There’s just something about a truck . . . I think there’s a country song about that.
Mike: Did you see the dump box on the truck displayed by Chris/In The Woodyard RUclips (todays release)? Wowser!
Great honest comparison. Of course a plethora of things affect fuel economy but superficially the larger flat nose on the GM is certain to reduce aerodynamics. That’s lot of wind to push out of the way at faster highway speeds. A way to determie that is doing slower speed mileage comparisons of the two. I doubt it accounts for the entire mileage difference, but I bet a significant amount.
Thanks for the great review as usual. I agree with pretty much all you mentionned in it. I'm a very satisfied owner of a 2022 Ford SuperDuty F-350 Powerstroke in the Platinum trim. My previous 2017 F-350 also had retracting steps and they need to be cleaned and lubbed once in a while. Besides that they work well. There is so much tech in the new Ford trucks... you didn't even mention the onboard scale. I like gadgets which is why I go with the Ford since they bring new cool stuff in their trucks. Most of the time you'll find it in the other brands a few years later. Good luck with whatever the boss decides to let go...
The independent torsion suspension on the GMC is what I believe allows for the better ride and turning radius. I am a GM fan but I really wish they would do better on their seats. They are too hard in my opinion. I wonder how the new 2024 GMC would fair against the 2024 Ford.
Have owned a duramax and that torsion bar front end is garbage on a real truck constantly you lose alignment especially if you put a little larger tires on your truck.
Have switched to powerstroke and everything about the truck is built better from the brakes to the doors handles and interior.
Also the damn head unit that comes in my Denali HD had to be replaced twice by the dealership was the worst luxury head unit have ever experienced.
I watch your videos ALL THE TIME, I love 'em!! Today's on the two trucks was interesting and enjoyable, but I have a question for you. I have often wondered especially when you said you never had a GMC before, I was wondering if you ever considered a 5th Gen RAM? I drive as a daily driver a 21 RAM 1500 which has been incredible. One of the BEST vehicles I have ever owned. I know they're 3500 HD's are leaders in torque , Towing, Technology, Ride, Interior comfort and storage within the vehicle. Next time I think you should look, I think you' d be pleasantly surprises. No, in case you are wondering, I don't work for RAM just a strong believer in their product.
One thing about the 8' bed on the Ford is that if you ever get a 5th wheel trailer or camper it's easier to back up the trailer and has a tighter turning radius. Is there much of a difference in the loudness in the cab between the two?
I'm surprised the gmc rides better with the shorter wheel base.
We also have the 2023 gmc AT4.
Ours however is 3/4 ton and is gas.
We love it for pulling our 30 foot, 8000 lbs travel trailer.
Have a Jesus filled day everyone Greg in Michigan
The GMs have independent front ends that is why they ride better basically.
@JesseLJohnson
Interesting, what do the ford's have? Leaf springs?
@@greghomestead8366 Its a twin I beam front with coils on the Fords think its the same or similar with Rams both of those I have seen have death wobble too not sure I really ever seen that with the GMs at least stock. I imagine it can happen when people put wheel spacers and those ridiculous wide rims and tires on them.
Actually I then the 2x4 are the twin I beam and monobeam for the 4x4 trucks
Trade the Bronc, everyone wants one them now and they probably have good resale value.......cannot tow much with it also.
Great vid and good comparison.
Awesome video really is a good video to see what are positives and negatives
What a terrible problem to have I hope you keep both the trucks, One question if you had it to do over again would you order the Ford with the 8' bed or the shorter bed like the GMC?