The Fast Lane Truck So, now we know that the EPA does a lot of “copy and paste”, Dodge kept quiet about it and GM owned up to it...lay-offs to follow... Ps. Based on a few of my friends experiences over the last 20+ years...I wouldn’t buy a Chrysler/Dodge product on a bet.
@@joselouissimeon9872 Google is your friend: Boss - 19.2mpg=12.25L/100k Raptor-17.8mpg=13.2L/100k Ram-17.5mpg=13.44L/100k 2nd fill Boss-19.31mpg=12.1l/100km Raptor-17.29mpg=13.6l/100km Ram-17.92mpg=13.12l/100km
Ford Raptor - 17.2 MPG (2% better than advertised) Dodge Rebel - 17.9 MPG (21% less than advertised) Chevrolet Silverado Trail Boss - 19.3 MPG (3% better than advertised)
My thoughts exactly like the chevy has 32s, the dodge is on 33s, and the ford with 35s and its staying up with the other 2 in mpg, k think thats a win for the raptor in my books. Was kinda shocked the chevy on got the 19.2 considering it has a 3.23 rear end.
These pieces probably get the least views (technical) but are the most impressive/appreciated pieces that bring so much street cred to TFL. Keep kicking butt guys and thanks for all the information and entertainment!
I like all 3 of the trucks, and while MPG numbers may be sticking point for some, if I want to save on fuel, then I'll get a Chevy Volt (used because new ones won't be available anymore).
@khronosfateless We have a 4Runner and love it. I was going to buy a Tundra but they do not make the CrewMax cab with the 6.5' bed which I had to have. My Ram has been great so far but I have piece of mind with the lifetime warranty. It's no longer available though.
The F150 is 5" wider than the Trailboss, has bigger tires, sits high, and has 95 more hp and averages 1 mpg under it with actual off-road capability. Yeah, Ford is winning.
@Brian Taylor Most people dont realize how many Ford and Chevy vehicles today have turbos. I would bet half of whats sold no less than a 1/4. Hell, my wifes escape has them. Turbos are a very reliable system. They SHOULD be considered however a LRU(Line Replacable Unit). At some point they will have to be changed. Must be aware of that and place it in mx costs. The old school push rods are cheaper to maintain yes, but look at the advantages you get with that system. Put the Chevy and Dodge on 35s with a 410 rearend and you will see a big difference.
First generation EcoBoost engines are getting well over 150k on the original turbos. Everyone is forgetting that all of these companies have been working with turbos in their diesel trucks for years and they have the technology to make the turbos reliable. It’s way better than the turbo cars in the 80’s where you couldn’t get 100k miles out of a turbo. Considering the rpms and heat that turbos endure (150,000+ rpms) the reliability is amazing. Yeah it’s an added expense but it’s one you’ll probably only pay once in your ownership, maybe twice. I wouldn’t consider replacing turbos as a real expense concern, even with the high output version.
@@eliteexposure5594 Just because Fiat is garbage doesn't mean Scotty is NOT an idiot. He's just got Toyota shoved so far up his ass he can't acknowledge that anyone else makes a decent vehicle.
@@claytonroot806 He acknowledges Honda also made great vehicles. Fords, Chevy, Chrysler are all junk, especially now. The majority of American cars break down and have expensive repairs before 150k. Toyotas and Hondas all last well beyond 200k if you keep up with minor maintenance.
@@eliteexposure5594 "Especially now" is the polar opposite of the truth. Ford and GM were trash in the 80s through about 2005. Now they're good. GM and Ford trucks are very similar and both beat anything Toyota has to offer. GM cars are industry average, comparable to Honda - the only Honda that is noteworthy for reliability is the Civic, Honda hasn't gotten worse, but everyone else except Chrysler and Fiat got better. Ford cars are very good, nearly as good as Toyota. But Toyota cars aren't the best anymore, that goes to Hyundai/Kia - actually it's Porsche, but it's not fair to compare them.
Konstantin Malyugin TOYOTA is being bullied into a corner They have monopolized for too long ... the United States limits the amount of manufacturing facilities in U.S. per automotive brand TOYOTA is at capacity Hence why TOYOTA must use Subaru to build sport's cars Mazda builds the iQ & ia & affordable cars The diesel option for the tundra couldn't be a TOYOTA diesel because they'd outsell the big3 easily No1 is gonna buy a duramax or pos Colorado or ranger if the Tacoma or helux does more than a fullsize towing capabilities and OFFROADING is still Toyota quality aswell as reliability! The big3 cant have that ... Vw is no w #1 in sales Toyota 2nd & ford tries to stay ahead of kia chevy looses to Nissan but Those vw diesel engine's that were "tricking the emissions tests" might have been but the average vw diesel driver reported 100mpg or more by the thousands it was SUPOSTA get 83/84 hwy MPG depending on the model but almost everyone saw above 90mpg combined The government couldn't have this & thus that car was deamed dirty & should be "crushed" & bought back ect Ill run my 2uzfe v8 by TOYOTA for the 1million miles it will go ... when it goes im sure i can import a TOYOTA turbo diesel engine by then!
Konstantin Malyugin try 91 or 93 octane aswell you will see a 2- 3mpg jump My FGT first gen tundra 02 4.7L v8 2uzfe 4x4 access cab gets 16mpg with ac on ,on 87 in 122degree Arizona heat I average 19mpg On road trips over 150miles on cruze control i got close to 24mpg
Let me get this straight, FCA can sell a lifted version of its truck with big off-road tires on it, and still use the EPA numbers for a different truck without a lift and with normal, all season tires? How is that even allowed? It is not exactly a mystery what happened here, that truck should not be using the same mpg numbers as a truck that hasn't been significantly modded for off-road use by the factory.
That MPG is bad but. Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust.
heres a tissue for you to clean up with kid. you gonna be ok? no one here cares about your little wind up cars so just have fun and we will call you for dinner
Results like this are what moved me from being 25 year Mopar guy to Ford. Dodge just isn't very honest about some important things. And their engineering is quirky AF. 1. Power costs fuel. Whichever of these trucks you hop into and stomp the gas on, fuel efficiency is going right down the toilet. It's not due to brand loyalty, it's due to PHYSICS. 2. so... if you bought any of these vehicles based on fuel efficiency, you bought the wrong vehicle. 3. This is totally the kind of comparison I would do. I'm obsessed with my Mustang GT's gas mileage...
I don't think anyone would buy any of these off-road focused trucks for fuel efficiency. However I do think it is important know, especially if you were thinking the Rebel was going to get 22 miles per gallon and got 17.5 MPG.
@@wantsomemor6513 lmao, you’re welcome to spend more money on gas in your dodge, getting the exact same things as in a chevy. Some business rely on trucks and fuel economy can lead to thousands of dollars of expenses every year, and in a fleet, such as construction contracting where you have a few hundred trucks under the same company, that can literally lead to hundreds of thousands of dollars of difference, and if you are too smooth in the head to understand that then take your money and flush it down the toilet or burn it in the fire because when you buy that ram that’s literally what you’re doing. Either you’re too young to understand or you don’t have a business that requires a truck. Either way, you’re ignorant and if you don’t care why are you watching this video in the first place
@777mikmik honestly I can excuse your mindset if you’re 11 but like god damn, trucks are tools and if your tool is causing unexpected costs, you shouldn’t own that tool. Be my guest though, a 5mpg difference is literally as much as 2 grand a year if you’re driving 30k+ miles a year. I’m a construction contractor who’s in the market for a new truck, I’m about to put a down payment on a 2020 LT trail boss, I have a life outside of contracting and I love to be off road, but I’m also driving over 200 miles some days. If I was to get nowhere close to rated mpg for example 22 down to 17, that could cost me $10 dollars a day, now throw that out over a 6 day work week for 5 weeks straight. $300. that’s a biweekly payment right there, and all because some duche bag up in ram decided to cheap out and not provide legitimate ratings. That could and would effect my business, that $300 could be the difference between eating or not. Lucky to have life handed to you on a silver plater, that’s not how it is in the real world and for some people, $300 can make a significant difference
some slight effort in noise cancellation? Another thing to take off when you bring it in for repairs to cost you? to look clean and organized? IT'S USELESS MOST LIKELY
No it doesn't there is no insulation on any of those covers. go stick a db meter on a engine with the cover on and then off and you'll see that it makes no diff in sound dampening. its nickname is called a beauty cover for a reason, because that's all it is there for, looks and nothing more.
Joseph Rodecker Idk anything but I heard that it's an law in the US and Canada? Something about the size of an engine in certain types of vehicles have to have the covers for some reason. Maybe if a gasket fails it doesn't fling all over the engine bay? I'm not sure. Just what I've heard from a few people who know a lot more about that shit than I do.
You know whats pretty confusing..... They put all this tech into these trucks to increase MPG over the last 20 years (VV-T, Cylinder deactivation, Turbo, 10-speed transmission, overhead cam, Hybrid Technology, ECO system, Air dynamics, Lighter weight body and frame, etc...) and there basically getting the same MPG has a truck from the early 2000's. Granted that they make a lot more power (100--150HP), but you would think that a consistent 20+ MPG highway would be achievable by now....
The thing is though they make 100-150HP at FULL THROTTLE. In everyday driving they would be using about the same HP, so not much improvement at all for all the tech
Overall, trucks are still heavier than their older counterparts with their required safety systems, cushy interiors, etc. Rolling on bigger, heavier wheels and wider tires. Pick up a 90's F150 with a 4.9, 5 speed, stock height on stock 215's and you can absolutely pull down 20+ mpg consistently unloaded.
@@kylesonsalla7620 I was in the USAF/MSANG with a guy whose main ride was a F-150 "Big Stick"; mostly unloaded, he averaged just over 26 mpg between fillups, cruising 75-80 mph. I think that was with the injected Windsor 302 V8. I had an 89 SHO that got mid-28 mpgs between fillups; my car was way faster, but didn't have anywhere near the utility of a pickup.
If I were a buyer of the Rebel I would be surprised if it had gotten 22mpg - regardless of the EPA. The Chevy has the least powerful engine and the highest gearing so it is not surprising that it got what it did. If anything, the Raptor is the surprise of the group. Buyers of these type of off road trucks are not really looking at MPG as a major factor.
It's under 1000 miles trust me as engine break in mileage gets better I got complaints when working at Toyota from customers stating mpg was bad I had to explain it's normal all the time.
Not bad really, 18 mpg for a truck with 33" tires. About 1 mpg off of the Chevy. That's not going to be a big deal to most people looking for an off road truck.
How fast did you go on the interstate? Highway speed limit in Utah is 80MPH while most of Colorado is 75MPH. Colorado River road from Moab is a must drive, very scenic road. Highly recommend it. Good for Chevy to ask EPA to lower their highway estimate!
I had a 2016 quad cab express that got 19.5mpg mixed driving with an intake and exhaust on it. My 2018 has AT tires and a 1 inch lift from the factory and it won't break 16.5mpg to save its life.
Why are you guys suprised by worse fuel mileage with added weight and big tires? I had a rental base ram hemi 4x4 for a few weeks and it was fantastic easily averaging over 20 mpg.
Joshua Jeremy not really surprised at all I work oil field and landscaping for while, dodge get the worst fuel efficiency overall I have Ford, Chevy and even dodge.
I'd like to see the same test repeated at, or close to, sea level. You did this in Colorado, mostly above 6000 ft. Air density could have a big impact on mileage.
As the owner of a 19' Ram Rebel Hemi eTorque 4X4 with 3.92 rear axle, I can tell you not to hold your breath waiting to get good gas mileage. Because it isn't going to happen. I'm down in 'flat country' (Florida), my Rebel has just over 5,000 miles on it now and I drive it like an old grandpa. I've done one round trip from Florida to Kentucky - all highway miles with cruise control set at 70-72 mph. I got 17.5 mpg average between the trip up and down. In the city, the eTorque is actually very helpful. I'm at about 16-16.5 mpg city now and that I can live with. But the highway mileage is dismal, especially since I've been driving diesel trucks for the last 7 years. I absolutely love the truck, but I find it very disingenuous of Ram not to separate out the Rebel 4x4 from the standard EPA rating on the Monroney. First, it's the same old 5.7L Hemi it's always been. If it didn't get 20+ mpg in the past, it isn't going to get it now. You have the axle ratio working against you with the 3.92 and the engine running 300 rpm higher than it would if it was a 3.42 or 3.55 rear end, with bigger, wider, heavier, more aggressive tread tires with high rolling resistence not helping any. You don't have the wind-cheating, aerodynamic assistance from a front end chin spoiler, no radiator louvres that close, etc. etc. The truck will, at best, maybe work it's way up to 18.5/19 mpg if you are lucky.
Just curious, why buy a Hemi if you only drive like "an old grandpa"? Why not save a ton of cash and get a 6 banger? I'm not judging, I'm just extremely curious. That Hemi is meant for fun and excitement, and a whole lotta noise.
@@EM-fi2qg The short answer is because I tow up to 11,000 lbs. Not often, predominantly I tow 8-9,000 lb trailer. V6 can't cut the mustard for that. FYI - I have a C7 Corvette for "fun and excitement, and a whole lotta noise" as you put it.
I own a 2018 Raptor supercrew. Had it almost a year with about 14k miles. I average between 17.2-18.0 for combined mileage which I am fairly pleased with. It's what the sticker said I should get, plus its about the same mileage I got on my last truck (2012 F150 Supercrew XLT 3.5 Ecoboost 4x2 on stock tires.) I think they answered their own question about the Ram mileage in the very beginning when they said the EPA uses the same ratings as the other non-Rebel trucks with the lower ride height, smaller tires etc. Those additions would certainly effect efficiency and how Ram got away with using those numbers is beyond me. All in all I bet they ditch the Ram for a Gladiator or the Ranger Raptor in the next year or so? I just don't see Roman sticking with the Ram for as long as the previous Raptor unless he's contractually obligated because of the discount he received. Hopefully they negotiated a minimum term/length up front. Maybe i'm just a biased Ford fan?
I always kind of ignored those EPA numbers, just because they always seem to be higher than what you normally get on trucks. I own an old Durango that is rated at 14/19, but I only get like 9/15. I also own an old 5.0 Explorer that is rated at 14/18 but it only gets like 8/13. I usually look at the EPA numbers and subtract 4 or 5mpg, and that is what it usually is. Also, from what I understand about that e-torque system on the Dodge, it isn't supposed to do anything on the highway other than charge the battery.
Hey I was thinking of getting a new 2019 ram rebel red color but hear many people transmission and shifting issues also camera goes off and on Fiat junk and I want a 2019 raptor but Ford have tranny issues what should I get not keep gladiator have steering wheel loose issue
Adam Kyle Jackson what about a new raptor v6 3.5L 61 dollars to fill up what about gallons like the gas can of 5 gallon how many of those I need to fill up a new raptor
Adam Kyle Jackson I can tell you this. You was most comfortable in the ram. Chevy needs to take note on how to make comfortable seats from ram... no comparison..
I owned a 2016 Ram 1500 4x4 Lonestar for over a year. Had it on numerous road trips. The thing never averaged close to the EPA ratings. It averaged about 3mpg less. Although on the highway it would reach over 20mpg, no etorque, no nobby tires or lift though. I think the main reasoning was mine had a 3.92 rear end. I noticed the mpg ratings at the dealerships for other Ram's were the same regardless of which rear axle ratio they had. So perhaps that's what's throwing the numbers off for the Rebel? I believe all Rebel's have the 3.92 rear end.
I had the opposite experience when I had my 2014. Went on a few 1,000+ mile road trips. Averaged 22-23 going 70-75. 3.21 rear end with Michelin LTX M/S tires.
I sold Fords for four years and had a chance to talk in depth about the stated mileage verse gear ratio. He stated that the manufacturer can bring the best gear ratio available per spec to get the MPG ratings. So Ford for instance would bring a 3.15 or 3.31 when most trucks had a 3.55 or 3.73. So as they say, “results may vary.”
@@danielslavy6694 Very insightful! Like I said, mine would see 20+ on the highway (EPA rating was 21 hwy) easily, but it was the overall and in-town mpg that was nothing near the 15 city and 17 combined rating that they gave on the sticker. I kept a very detailed and consistent log of every tank I put in the thing and after 25,000 miles, the actual overall average I saw was 14.32 mpg.
I had a 2014 ram crew cab 4x4 with 8spd/3.92 gears. averaged 20-22mpg highway, and about 17 with mixed driving. Completely stock, express model with 20" wheels. My buddy had a 2wd version that got about 2mpg better than mine. i got improved mpg as it broke in also. if they realize the etorque isnt really for highway speed mpg why do they keep mentioning it... lol
When changing variables, you only ever change one or two at the most between data recordings. If something changes and you changed too many variables, you just won't know what actually effected it.
Thank you for what you gentlemen are doing; this is important for me scene i use the Chevy Silverado for my handyman services. While I like the New Dodge styling; I'm going to stick to the Chevy Silverado. Thanks again for the good work you're doing.
Must be nice to be young. I helped a family member move from Main to Indiana by driving a Uhual. I found out the hard way that I'm getting abit old for alot of driving on very little sleep and alot more stress than I'm used to.And I'm only in my mid40's.If memory serves the last leg was something like 1500 miles. He had alot of drama going on so we didn't get as far as we should have the first day. By the time I got home me and the wife was glad to turn in early.
Id be pissed if I had factored in fuel economy into my buying decision for the rebel. Sorry but there is no excuse RAM should have advertised it accordingly. Nissan was doing the same thing about 10 years ago posting best case scenarios on their stickers and thus a lot of frontiers, xterras, and pathfinders have found their way to the junker because the fuel economy was no where near advertised.
I had an '04 Frontier with the 2.4 4 cylinder and a 5-speed. That thing was incredible on fuel for a pickup. 26-27 mpg on the highway. Typically around 24 mpg in mixed driving. Exactly what they advertised.
Honestly I’ve always been a GM guy. Just really like their trucks. In today’s world they’re all equal. I mean really they are. Hard to buy a “bad” truck today. I’ve had a 05 06 Silverado which were best looking trucks to date in my opinion respectable MPG. I’ve had a 08 and 14 Nissan Titan. Solid trucks very stout. Horrible MPG. I love the titans and tundras but lord their MPG is just to horrible to own and drive daily. The tundra will stomp most these trucks and it’s because that HUGE 4.32 rear end they use. I currently have a 14’ Silverado best mix of them all in my opinion.
@@AlvinBrinson if you need a truck for work but you also need an off road truck because work isn’t the only thing in life, these trucks are perfect. If you own a business 5mpg can make a large difference, especially if a truck is a requirement. I need a truck as a construction contractor, I’m about to buy a 2020 LT trail boss and I understand the circumstances revolving around higher fuel economy. However I do need the truck to tow a 6000 pound trailer and do trails in northern Ontario. The trail boss compromises on none of these things, plus it gets rated fuel economy. What’s more to ask for, calculated the trail boss will cost me just about 6k a year in gas, with those numbers from the real world test in the ram, I’d be looking at almost 7k, some weeks I can be driving 200 miles a day, that means having a truck that gets rated fuel economy is very important
I have a 2019 1500 with the 5.7 and there is LITERALLY NO WAY to get the EPA rating. I've tried just about everything and I've never been close. You might be able to get 22MPG if you're willing to drive at 50mph, but anything resembling normal high way speeds you are deep into the teens. It's certainly a dissapointment
The e-torque system will only help in stop and go traffic, on the highway it wont make a difference. Also give the truck some miles to break in. Love the hand calculated tests love seeing that. Keep up the great work!!!
incorrect. They designed it to supplement cruising power when going up an incline. That way no increase from throttle or a downshift to maintain speed.
@@tbomb887 besides doing a bit at a stoplight all it does is helps smooth out the gear transition. The little battery it has would not have enough capacity to assist you up a hill.
Excellent video. About the best real world tests I have seen. You are to be highly complimented. My current truck is a 2007 F-150 , 4.2 l six, extended cab (no jump seats) currently with 82,000 miles on it. It was someone's garage queen, I bought it a year ago. It had been in one accident, some salt rust under, broken springs and front main seal leak. I have replaced everything under the truck,, balls, calipers, discs, bearings, struts and shocks, tires, wheels,,, only the rear axle remains. With a full load,, just less than 2,000 pounds,, everything driver, fuel, tools,, everything.. 19.1 to the gallon on the highway. 2,000 mile trip.
I have a 2018 Raptor and a 1998 F250 LD. The ‘98 is 1000 pounds lighter and has the 5.4 V8. Max highway is 17mpg combined average is 15.5 mpg. It can tow only 400lbs more, but hauls 1000 lbs more. It takes twice as long to get to 60 mph as the Raptor. Like them both for what they are designed for...Ford trucks are rock solid!
GREAT COMPARISON GUYS !! It would be interesting to see if the non-Rebel 4x4 models achieve 22mpg on the highway. If so, then it was a mistake on Ram's part not to have the EPA rate the Rebel model separately. An EPA rating of 18-19 mpg on the highway for the Rebel would not be bad, although the best result the Rebel got in this test was 17.9. I highly doubt it would gain more than one MPG after so-called break-in. I don't think break-in means much these days.
Keep us posted on any improvements. I don't blame Roman for being upset. It would be different if RAM donated the vehicle for testing. But at the end of the day it's false advertisement. RAM definitely has some questions to answer.
who would be stupid enough to buy a crappy red dodge, of course tfl was given the rebel as a long term promo advertisement, and now they are trying to shove it down everyones theoats, tfl looked pretty stupid here
I think they calibrate the speedometer to some average tire diameter somewhere between new and worn out, so that's why each truck is showing different distance traveled.
@@lento7421 I have 2014 EcoBoost fx4, worked since day one, 355 rear end blew, to much boost with trailers up escarpments, and rear main seal gone, currently at 175ooo kms, and flawless, always maintained with the best replacement parts! lov my fords and gems, mostly own gems in my commercial fleet
There is a problem with using different pumps for a test. Mainly the pitch at what a vehicle sits in a parking lot, I see it all the time in my car. Sometimes the tank doesn't quite get all the way full if it is at a slight pitch
mike hawk Yep that is very true, I know when I switch out for my winter tires which a just a studless ice tire that my average difference is 1.6mpg less than when I run my normal tires.
Is there really anything Ram can do when it is the EPA number? The EPA actually revised their testing back in the early 2000's because hybrids were getting way more efficiency on the test than in real life. The automakers wanted to correct it, but they couldn't report anything other than the EPA number.
alanhassall Yes ram could have done something, they cant change the way the EPA does their testing but ram could have submitted the rebel separately to the EPA to have its own ratings instead of just grouping it with the other 5.7 1500s, which is what Chevy kinda did with the trailboss. But since the basic truck is same there is no requirement to have it tested seperatly. Just like a ford xl and a platinum model truck are under the same EPA test without two different trucks being submitted for testing.
I'm loving your guys reviews. No bs. I'm also going to buy a truck in the next 3 years and weighing my options. It makes sense to do this review at a gas station, since most of your time with any truck will be spent there. :)
My Ram has never got 18 mpg as was rated when I initially bought it. Now 10 years later, same 5.7 Hemi and it gets 13 mpg. All Chrysler vehicles I've had never got close to rated mpg. Always off by at least 20%.
@@rigging1377 same with my 2014 sport. 3.23 rear end going 70-73mph with cruise control on wearing bf goodwrench ko2's factory size got 21mpg. Was considering getting the new one with the 3.92 rear end but will stick with the 3.23 rear end. I do want to put 295 60 20's on there though, that wont help mileage thats for sure..
I am wondering how much time the Ram was in the front of the group while on the freeway or if you had all the trucks spaced out so drafting was not a variable for your tests.
Soo glad you guys used the same pump. Only other thing I'd mention is to share equal time driving in front of the pack, but that doesn't take other traffic into account
Keep in mind if a brake is dragging on any one wheel(s) of any one truck the numbers will go slightly or way off. Same with any mechanical tightness or slight malfunction causing drag. Even a temperature change can affect part sizings and drag on them thereby. Nothing is simple in a complex machine, but it is a fun video to see what the realities of driving these trucks may be.
What’s interesting here is how people criticize the ecoboost engines for not being efficient. Here we have a Raptor with a wider body, more weight, 35s and more power coming within 1 MPG on the Hwy to the 5.3L trailboss. The trail boss Silverado isn’t as wide, makes less power, rides on 32s and is lighter. I think the ecoboost should be criticized for the addictive power it has and how it encourages heavier foots lol.
Plus the fact that a lot of Folks refuse to put Premium in the tank( If you are going to do that you might as well buy the V8( Of course I am saying this not knowing whether the V8 requires premium or not) 5.0 good engine. probably as good as LS.
Kevin McCune The regular 3.5L isn’t required to run premium but does run better on it. I’m sure it’s more important or a requirement for the Raptor. I wish TFL would say what they put in these trucks in all videos where performance testing or MPG is tested. Something interesting,0 the 6.2L recommends 89+ or 91+ remember which and the 5.7L Hemi recommends 89+ but they all run comfortably on 87. The 5.0L and the 5.3L are rated on 87 and don’t have a higher recommendation per mfg.
@@JsGarage Thats interesting , that would put the icing on the cake for Me, both of these engines are great( the durability of the LS series amazes Me) and I have nothing but good feelings for the 302, as tempting as ecoboost is , I think you will find some trucks wheezing around with bad turbos, in this neck of the woods back in the day when a turbo went out on a 2.3 or a Subaru, the most common fix was delete. Sort of hope the Ecoboost will not even run with one of the turbos deleted.
Kevin McCune The ecoboost isn’t quite a unreliable as some would like to claim it to. With that said though there are other great choices as well. The updated 5.0L and 10 speed is a wonderful option. The update to the power and the 10 speed really helped wake the 5.0 up further.
I had the same experience when I first got my Ram 1500 5.7. I got around 17 mpg until about 10,000 miles. Then it improved to 20-21 on the highway. I did a cat back and K&N drop in filter with a soft roll up cover after about 1200 miles. After about 60,000 miles , the mpg dropped back down to 16-17. Not sure why, I traded out of it before I did any kind of injector cleaning or anything.
I have a 2019 Lariat 3.5 EB, any highway trip with the cruise set at ~75 mph I see 23+, put it in manual shift mode and keep it in 10th and 24+ starts showing up.
Suzuki samurai. Stock 1.3L with an MSD ignition. To be fair it only got 28mpg before i rebuilt the carb and put the msd in. Also to be fair, if you were to argue that it isn't a truck I wouldn't have a good retort other than it can no longer hold humans in the back.
I wish the two of these companies would make raptor equivalent. The rebel and trail boss just are not a fair comparison to the ford. They are just trucks with a little extra lift and some better tires. The raptor is probably the best and only ford vehicle i would ever buy, the other ford cars are just kind of blah. Ford did a great job with the raptor and i want to see a true raptor competitor someday.
I agree. There is not a production vehicle out that compares apples to apples. The Chevy and Ram are more comparable to an F150 with an off road package. There is a lack of competition in the market for the Raptor.
I own a 2016 F-150 3.5 Eco-Boost with 3.31 axle, use 87 octane gas and when I changed my motor oil to Castrol Magnetic 5W30 my gas mileage instantly increased to 21.2 from 17.3 and I always measure (everytime I fill up) and use the same gas station, same pump,, with the same gas pump measurement with calculator that TFL uses. I was amazed that a different brand of motor oil gave me a BIG increase in gas mileage. The oil changes before that was done at Ford Dealer. I would suggest to try different motor oils and watch how gas mileage numbers change.
@@fubarmodelyard1392 i wouldn't believe Consumer Reports to tell me the correct time of day! yes, they have always been anti-Chrysler. they have rated the Jeep Wrangler the "worst" SUV of all SUV's each year for at least 5 years and the Wrangler continues to be the best selling SUV of all time. Motor Trend named it SUV of the year this year.
@@bbhbdb so was the EcoDiesel!!! Lol and that thing is the ultimate turd box thanks to the DPF system. Don't buy a RAM. Take it from someone who bought one and paid the price.
Chrysler always lies about their mpg numbers, my wife used to have a Jeep Patriot and we could never ever get it over 19 MPG but they claimed 30 MPG on the highway and 23 in the city, we owned it for 3 years and it never got better... utter garbage.
Par for the course with Ram. I haven’t seen one of their trucks even get close to their advertised mpg. Ram has a reputation for lying about their efficiency systems & this is no surprise. BTW, the RAM I USED to have, kept going down in mpg, vs. going up with break-in miles.
blueduster74 - I had my own, plus managed a fleet of Ram work trucks. Every single one (both ½ & 1 ton of various years) had a catastrophic or electrical failure & NONE got the reported mpg. We got rid of all Rams. I guess we should have purchased a fleet of Rebels according to you...
Why would someone even think it possible for mileage to go up with break in miles? Modern fuel injected vehicles are shipped with a shitty one tune fits all engine variance program, then they try to reel it in with closed loop operation, and whatever is wasted gets chewed up by the cats. Closed loop operation does not occur after break in..... it occurs every time the engine reaches operating temp.... whether it has 0 miles or 100k miles. As an engine breaks in and the rings seat you might notice a performance increase, but not a mileage increase..... then after that period it's all downhill and called "engine wear" for a great reason..... mileage and performance both taper off eventually. I won't say my RAM has EVER got the advertised mileage, but then again I am pretty sure all those mileage ratings CLEARLY say "estimated" and are based on "if you are exactly 125lbs, driving at 5000ft elevation, using 5%ethanol, and lightning strikes estimations. Just like a sub amp.... "2000 watt Class D AMPLIFIER! then the little tiny text on the back clearly says "PEAK output 2000 watts @0.5ohms w/15v input" but of course the amp is only 1 ohm stable so yeah you get a cool 600 watts RMS.....lol If you are upset because you felt cheated by advertised mileage, well I need only say Caveat Emptor :)
No. Just no. Just because you believe it, and you feel everyone else does, does not make it fact. I can assure you that the motor itself is well broken in as soon as you hit the 20 mile mark and ANY improvement in gas mileage from the engine break in would be so negligible you wouldn't even be able to measure it in any quantifiable manner. These are not carbureted cars from the 1970s. They are modern fuel injected cars time's have changed and the age old methods have gone away. Next you'll tell me that cold air intakes outflow stock air boxes and add 30hp just because the sticker says so....... NO. If you want to prove to me that I am wrong, start a youtube channel and buy a new car and vlog EVERY fill up and mileage, sadly even in doing so you will just waste a ton of money and prove me right yet again. (Deep down inside, I hate saying I told you so...)
I bought a 2018 1500 Ram 2X4 5.7 Hemi and it was getting 12 MPG city new. After it broke in at 2000 miles it does around 16 city. I went on a trip from San Francisco to San Diego it did 21 mpg. The mileage will improve. I was devastated when I first bought it the same as you but as I drove it. The better the efficiency. That’s with gunning it every now and then.
@@DetroitLove1977 No, they said they switched it between runs. The Ram led the convoy for the first 340, which is why it's not surprising to me that the truck that wasn't riding another truck's draft, is still within its break-in period, and running at expressway speeds, got below-EPA fuel economy. EPA highway numbers are assessed at 55mph (used to be 42, but they upped it recently), of course none of the trucks are going to get those numbers at 75mph, drag increases exponentially with speed.
@@nathanantilla5713 I stand corrected. I thought roman said they switched spots during the drive, but after re watching they only switched the lead vehicle on the way back (which was not even the same I-70 route they took there). Sorry i should have paid better attention. also for TFL please post these very important details below the video.. Also yes you are spot on in regards to highway speed numbers. They do alot of testing on I-75 in Michigan and do actually get close numbers but that is after they have passed the break in period. I also think TFL should have stated the ODO numbers for the gm and ford. Guess these are things for them to think about in the future when making a video like this. Kind of a worthless video now that i look at it deeper
Its amazing how advancement in technology has vastly improved mpg . I have a 1990 Chevy c1500 silverado with a 4.3 tbi Vortec and 3 speed auto trans, Ac, cruise, etc.. with 306800 miles that gets mpg average of 18 mpg. Oh wait. So all the tech and computers havent really improved mpg? They just make trucks break more and cost more to repair.
@@damham5689 either way 280 vs 400hp and you are getting either identical or slightly better mpg than then. And you are also comparing a v6 to a V8 not exactly the same thing. And need doesn't matter in the slightest
@@damham5689 that 4 cylinder is underpowered and moving 6000lbs isn't exactly easy either then that truck from 30 yrs ago was around 4500lbs so again it similar a comparison as you think
It's active steering. They come on as you turn the wheel to light up the road. If he would have turned right the left would have been off and the right on.
The odometer mileage can likely be explained with weaving/swerving during travel. With exception of the RAM which was very far off. The only thing I can think of for that is that the computer was never recalibrated for the larger tires from the standard 4x4.
It's understandable seeing the RAM that far off, the Rebel should be rated separately from the rest due to its worse highway performance (being higher, with 33 in tyres and so on). Moreover the e-Torque won't do much at highway speeds, unless you change gears
Steven Strawn the 4.3 GMC back in 91’ was the famous Syclone that did a quarter mile run in 13.4 sec and 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. It was turbo charged. GM is thinking about bringing it back of course with more hp.
I don't have a Rebel, but I do have a Laramie. There's something going on with the trip computer. If you idle the truck thinks it's getting 0 mpg which is correct, but if you idle quite a bit then it creates some very wacky numbers in the computer.
It also depends on the driver and how he works the gas pedal. Ryan Newman demonstrated that driving nascar races all the other teams couldn’t get close to his mileage and they thought he was cheating. This was a number of years ago.
First time I have ever saw Roman upset, I don't blame him tho 4mpg is alot. I know it sucks for u but I was actually contemplating trading my 3.5 built EcoBoost 4x4 screw for a Rebel. Sorry Roman but glad ur the guinea pig sorry. I want a rebel not gonna lie.
Go to the rebel you'll be making the biggest mistake. Because of 4 MPGs. The Ford has 450 horsepower and 520 torque compared to the rebel not even close and the looks of the Raptor destroys the look of the rebel by a long shot . So you're going by for MPGs to make that decision. Lol give your head a shake
@@stevendensmore7653 it's also not true for the rebel? The rebel do the worst out of the three. Lol that's why Ford is always been number #1 in the truck Department there the leaders and the rest follow or try to. Lol
im curious, why do you guys fill up gas after the first click for 30 seconds? is this something that's better for your truck/car? i thought it was harmful for the fuel pump to overfill? thanks and great video.
@@tigersaint124 yea but why not just fill them all till they pop once and done? In another video they say they wait 30 secs for the fuel to settle, then they pump again till it clicks. I always thought second time top up was bad for your fuel pump. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe after it settles there is some room that opens up for a healthy top up?
reset it when on highway and cruise control on, see what it gets, in city reset it again and see what i get their, and on my other setting i let it run continuously for both
You guys should do a video looking back over the discrepancies between truck trip computers and actual calculated mpg. I'm curious how many manufacturers fudge their trip computer mpg calculations to make owners feel like they are getting better fuel economy than they actually are...case in point, my 2019 Ford Raptor trip computer mpg calculation is always at least 1 mpg better than the actual fuel economy I'm getting (which aggravates me). You guys didn't experience quite as much of a discrepancy with the Raptor with only a 0.6 mpg difference...but it still over estimated the fuel economy for you as well.
Mild hybrid doesn't do much in steady driving on the highway, Roman, so stop harping on it. Mild hybrid is for city driving. Still a disappointment, though.
mountainhobo it isn’t really for improved MPG, it is more for easier towing by having much more torque when starting. It will provide better MPG when towing or hauling large loads.
Its a brick on wheels flying down the highway, hybrid or not its a damn truck built to haul/tow people still can't grasp the fact that a truck is made for working not to be a family economy sedan.
It's too bad you couldn't get a trail boss with the 6.2L to test against the other trucks. It's not really the same comparison with a 5.3L since the 3.5 ecoboost in the raptor is more powerful than the standard 3.5 eco in the regular trucks.
Thank you for running this comparison. It will be good to see how the RAM does over time, while wearing in. Was tire pressure checked and set to factory recommended settings (for No Load/empty bed & no passengers) when cold, before each leg of the trip? If the tires were aired down (pressure reduced) for better off-road compliance and traction, was it then reset to on-road pressures? Did you measure and calculate the off-road fuel efficiencies?
Something is wrong then. I'm getting 18.5 (mainly 75) hwy and 16+ pretty evenly mixed on my 2019 quad cab Ram 4x4 off road, 3.92 gears non etorque hemi. I have the 18" rims but with the lift, falken AT tires, and no active/lowering air dam with the off road package. The 22's would hurt some, but shouldn't be that far off. I don't drive conservative. I don't beat on it constantly, but at 3000 miles it's still new to me and I'm still having fun with it. I'm expecting it to get better once it gets more miles like my other trucks/cars have and I get bored playing around in it. Man it leaves quick with the 3.92's and I'm prob going to get the pedal commander to smooth it out a bit. I'd bring yours in and have it checked our with that mileage Jando Cruz!
my 2018 crew cab says its around 12.5 because i spend a lot of time idling (so i dont freeze my ass off up north) but if i reset it before going into the city i get at least 16-18mpg or about 19-22mpg on the highway.
You think that's bad, drive a Toyota Sequoia. 14 mpg in city, 16 mpg on highway. Its slurps gas!!!! But it's a great old school SUV, I'm driving it till the wheels fall off...because it's a Toyota I can. Built in America.
I'd take the raptor anyways it's got 450 hp other two have less than 400 of course it's getting less mpg and not to mention 35s aren't fuel efficient Ford Raptor all day!
To use the 450hp you need to spin the motor up to 5000rpm I severely doubt the did that once over the whole trip. Heck I doubl they ever came close to utilizing the 510lbft of torque any where along that trip either
@@jasonlarsen3515 actually it's 5600rpm for the chevy. The point was that on a real world drive like that the guys wouldnt have spun the Motors up to that point to use the rated horsepower of any of the engines. To use these engines at rated hp all the time it would be in the 3-6 mpg range.
Recently bought a 2019 Rebel as well and definitely disappointed in the MPG. FCA has clearly got the EPA numbers wrong on this one. I am currently averaging 14.4 MPG in mixed driving conditions, not the 19 MPG stated by FCA. As a consumer, a little bummed by this and hope my numbers improve as the engine breaks in (I'm just over 1000 miles). I wonder how FCA will remedy the situation with all their RAM Rebel customers if the situation doesn't improve.
Seriously? Do you all really care about a few mpg's either way? Honest question, my 17 Rebel is a bit thirsty, somewhat due to my heavy foot, but I just enjoy the truck, the engine note, etc. I did not look at the rating and say yea since it gets 22 vs 18 I am buying it, I respect you all's opinions and points of view though
My 5.3 liter Ford truck, when purchased new, took about 10,000 miles before the fuel economy improved. However I had street radials on it not 33 inch off-road tires. Between the deep differential gear ratio and 33 inch tires that will definitely affect your fuel economy. It would be safe to assume the truck the EPA tested most likely had smaller street radials in order to get better performance so Dodge would be in compliance.
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The Fast Lane Truck So, now we know that the EPA does a lot of “copy and paste”, Dodge kept quiet about it and GM owned up to it...lay-offs to follow...
Ps. Based on a few of my friends experiences over the last 20+ years...I wouldn’t buy a Chrysler/Dodge product on a bet.
Talk about disappointing on your new Ram purchase! Sorry guys. I say return it and get the Trailboss
The Fast Lane Truck HA HA and 16 spark plugs!!! Ha ha Hemi!!!!
@@joselouissimeon9872 Google is your friend: Boss - 19.2mpg=12.25L/100k Raptor-17.8mpg=13.2L/100k Ram-17.5mpg=13.44L/100k 2nd fill Boss-19.31mpg=12.1l/100km Raptor-17.29mpg=13.6l/100km Ram-17.92mpg=13.12l/100km
What's MPG? convert it to l/100km
Ford Raptor - 17.2 MPG (2% better than advertised)
Dodge Rebel - 17.9 MPG (21% less than advertised)
Chevrolet Silverado Trail Boss - 19.3 MPG (3% better than advertised)
Toyota who?
Wait wait aren't they supposed v8 to be fair
So what millage the ford gets on a v8 not v6
Thank you!
@@shavelson1 if anything it's not fair to the raptor v6 because its producing a couple hundred more ft pounds than its v8 competitors.
Raptor 4 % LESS than advertised and Silverado 3 % LESS than advertised
Am I the only one that thinks it’s absolutely awesome that a Raptor has those tires the HP and Tq numbers and 4.10 gears and still gets 17-18 hwy!
Curtis D it's a v6...
My thoughts exactly like the chevy has 32s, the dodge is on 33s, and the ford with 35s and its staying up with the other 2 in mpg, k think thats a win for the raptor in my books. Was kinda shocked the chevy on got the 19.2 considering it has a 3.23 rear end.
Good numbers as long as you are NOT in boost!! If your in a headwind its hard to stay out of boost.
That's horrible mpg.
@@Ballista762 for 450 hp and over 500lb of torque along with a big truck this heavy, those are great numbers
Fast forward 5 years "a limpy 600 hp engine, mated to a 28 speed automatic transmission"
more like 20 hp electric with no driver inputs
I'm not buying until they come out with a 666 speed tranny!
@@Dirtyharry70585 The future is bright my electric car has 760hp with 1000ft*lb of torque plus or minus 40 of those numbers ^^
Or just full ev. We need no gasoline.
@phục êwê more like 300+ miles
These pieces probably get the least views (technical) but are the most impressive/appreciated pieces that bring so much street cred to TFL.
Keep kicking butt guys and thanks for all the information and entertainment!
It's great you guys do these real comparisons. All 3 are nice trucks.
Ron Dail you sir are the best here, real car enthusiast respects all brands you may be one of them, respect 👊
@@TecDLogic 😐
I like all 3 of the trucks, and while MPG numbers may be sticking point for some, if I want to save on fuel, then I'll get a Chevy Volt (used because new ones won't be available anymore).
@@TecDLogic contraire my friend. Some car brands are a piece of shit and that's the truth. Car brands shouldn't get respect if they don't deserve it.
eduardo lara your right some are but even tho, I respect all brands
Hemi = she has a drinking problem but i love her
Isn't that truth. Edge tuner and Pedal Commander put smiles on my face on a daily basis.
@khronosfateless We have a 4Runner and love it. I was going to buy a Tundra but they do not make the CrewMax cab with the 6.5' bed which I had to have. My Ram has been great so far but I have piece of mind with the lifetime warranty. It's no longer available though.
Its not a hemi tho lol it's a dual wedge. And is actually a surprisingly efficient head
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@khronosfateless The funny thing about that is my sister's 2010 Tundra gets worse MPG than my 05 MegaCab HEMI.
The F150 is 5" wider than the Trailboss, has bigger tires, sits high, and has 95 more hp and averages 1 mpg under it with actual off-road capability. Yeah, Ford is winning.
Gas mileage surely won't make up the price difference.
Xavier McQuiston, the Raptor is also lighter
@Brian Taylor I bet it lasts longer than that etorque
@Brian Taylor Most people dont realize how many Ford and Chevy vehicles today have turbos. I would bet half of whats sold no less than a 1/4. Hell, my wifes escape has them. Turbos are a very reliable system. They SHOULD be considered however a LRU(Line Replacable Unit). At some point they will have to be changed. Must be aware of that and place it in mx costs. The old school push rods are cheaper to maintain yes, but look at the advantages you get with that system. Put the Chevy and Dodge on 35s with a 410 rearend and you will see a big difference.
First generation EcoBoost engines are getting well over 150k on the original turbos. Everyone is forgetting that all of these companies have been working with turbos in their diesel trucks for years and they have the technology to make the turbos reliable. It’s way better than the turbo cars in the 80’s where you couldn’t get 100k miles out of a turbo. Considering the rpms and heat that turbos endure (150,000+ rpms) the reliability is amazing. Yeah it’s an added expense but it’s one you’ll probably only pay once in your ownership, maybe twice. I wouldn’t consider replacing turbos as a real expense concern, even with the high output version.
Scotty Kilmer would say blame Fiat since they own Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep.
Scotty is an idiot.
@@AlvinBrinson How is he an idiot? Fiat is garbage.
@@eliteexposure5594 Just because Fiat is garbage doesn't mean Scotty is NOT an idiot. He's just got Toyota shoved so far up his ass he can't acknowledge that anyone else makes a decent vehicle.
@@claytonroot806 He acknowledges Honda also made great vehicles. Fords, Chevy, Chrysler are all junk, especially now. The majority of American cars break down and have expensive repairs before 150k. Toyotas and Hondas all last well beyond 200k if you keep up with minor maintenance.
@@eliteexposure5594 "Especially now" is the polar opposite of the truth. Ford and GM were trash in the 80s through about 2005. Now they're good. GM and Ford trucks are very similar and both beat anything Toyota has to offer. GM cars are industry average, comparable to Honda - the only Honda that is noteworthy for reliability is the Civic, Honda hasn't gotten worse, but everyone else except Chrysler and Fiat got better. Ford cars are very good, nearly as good as Toyota. But Toyota cars aren't the best anymore, that goes to Hyundai/Kia - actually it's Porsche, but it's not fair to compare them.
I get 16 mpg on my 2018 tacoma with a 3.5l v6, that dodge is heavier, bigger engine, and gets better mpg. WTF Toyota?
Konstantin Malyugin TOYOTA is being bullied into a corner
They have monopolized for too long ... the United States limits the amount of manufacturing facilities in U.S. per automotive brand
TOYOTA is at capacity
Hence why TOYOTA must use Subaru to build sport's cars
Mazda builds the iQ & ia & affordable cars
The diesel option for the tundra couldn't be a TOYOTA diesel because they'd outsell the big3 easily
No1 is gonna buy a duramax or pos Colorado or ranger if the Tacoma or helux does more than a fullsize towing capabilities and OFFROADING is still Toyota quality aswell as reliability!
The big3 cant have that ...
Vw is no w #1 in sales Toyota 2nd & ford tries to stay ahead of kia chevy looses to Nissan but
Those vw diesel engine's that were "tricking the emissions tests" might have been but the average vw diesel driver reported 100mpg or more by the thousands it was SUPOSTA get 83/84 hwy MPG depending on the model but almost everyone saw above 90mpg combined
The government couldn't have this & thus that car was deamed dirty & should be "crushed" & bought back ect
Ill run my 2uzfe v8 by TOYOTA for the 1million miles it will go ... when it goes im sure i can import a TOYOTA turbo diesel engine by then!
Konstantin Malyugin try 91 or 93 octane aswell you will see a 2- 3mpg jump
My FGT first gen tundra 02 4.7L v8 2uzfe 4x4 access cab gets 16mpg with ac on ,on 87 in 122degree Arizona heat
I average 19mpg
On road trips over 150miles on cruze control i got close to 24mpg
@@ilovetoyotatrucks i use 92 octane as that is the highest in the PNW. Got 18mpg on the highway today empty. What a letdown.
Konstantin Malyugin if it's brand new under 75k miles it's gonna get bad MPG all brand new cars get bad gas for those first 50k atleast
Between all the other comments an gearing is where the Tacoma is losing its mileage
Let me get this straight, FCA can sell a lifted version of its truck with big off-road tires on it, and still use the EPA numbers for a different truck without a lift and with normal, all season tires? How is that even allowed? It is not exactly a mystery what happened here, that truck should not be using the same mpg numbers as a truck that hasn't been significantly modded for off-road use by the factory.
Epa makes the numbers. FCA doesn't. Up to epa how to make numbers for truck. Doesn't have to be for each model.
Its all in how much money they slide under the table to the EPA. I've yet to find any vehicle live up to the numbers on the window sticker.
The Trailboss and the Raptor were close....Don't make excuses for the Ram when they were using the same source for information as the other two.
But who is the bigger fool that sees these two truck on the lot and thinks it's true? Like some kind of magic trick.
It's because it's classed as an option.Not a different truck
That MPG is bad but. Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust.
heres a tissue for you to clean up with kid. you gonna be ok? no one here cares about your little wind up cars so just have fun and we will call you for dinner
@@philtripe it's a.......movie reference lol
You know I owe you a 10 second car, I can't afford to lose again!
Lol 😂
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Results like this are what moved me from being 25 year Mopar guy to Ford. Dodge just isn't very honest about some important things. And their engineering is quirky AF.
1. Power costs fuel. Whichever of these trucks you hop into and stomp the gas on, fuel efficiency is going right down the toilet. It's not due to brand loyalty, it's due to PHYSICS.
2. so... if you bought any of these vehicles based on fuel efficiency, you bought the wrong vehicle.
3. This is totally the kind of comparison I would do. I'm obsessed with my Mustang GT's gas mileage...
robsolf you should look into buying a Prius. If gas is a big concern
I don't think anyone would buy any of these off-road focused trucks for fuel efficiency. However I do think it is important know, especially if you were thinking the Rebel was going to get 22 miles per gallon and got 17.5 MPG.
@@wantsomemor6513 lmao, you’re welcome to spend more money on gas in your dodge, getting the exact same things as in a chevy. Some business rely on trucks and fuel economy can lead to thousands of dollars of expenses every year, and in a fleet, such as construction contracting where you have a few hundred trucks under the same company, that can literally lead to hundreds of thousands of dollars of difference, and if you are too smooth in the head to understand that then take your money and flush it down the toilet or burn it in the fire because when you buy that ram that’s literally what you’re doing. Either you’re too young to understand or you don’t have a business that requires a truck. Either way, you’re ignorant and if you don’t care why are you watching this video in the first place
@777mikmik honestly I can excuse your mindset if you’re 11 but like god damn, trucks are tools and if your tool is causing unexpected costs, you shouldn’t own that tool. Be my guest though, a 5mpg difference is literally as much as 2 grand a year if you’re driving 30k+ miles a year. I’m a construction contractor who’s in the market for a new truck, I’m about to put a down payment on a 2020 LT trail boss, I have a life outside of contracting and I love to be off road, but I’m also driving over 200 miles some days. If I was to get nowhere close to rated mpg for example 22 down to 17, that could cost me $10 dollars a day, now throw that out over a 6 day work week for 5 weeks straight. $300. that’s a biweekly payment right there, and all because some duche bag up in ram decided to cheap out and not provide legitimate ratings. That could and would effect my business, that $300 could be the difference between eating or not. Lucky to have life handed to you on a silver plater, that’s not how it is in the real world and for some people, $300 can make a significant difference
Why should we care about black plastic engine covers? I want to see brightly colored steel engine blocks again!
some slight effort in noise cancellation? Another thing to take off when you bring it in for repairs to cost you? to look clean and organized? IT'S USELESS MOST LIKELY
Nah it's just for show. You can't tell any sound diff between it being on or off. It's cheap thin plastic.
SteelCity1981 it does dampen sounds.
No it doesn't there is no insulation on any of those covers. go stick a db meter on a engine with the cover on and then off and you'll see that it makes no diff in sound dampening. its nickname is called a beauty cover for a reason, because that's all it is there for, looks and nothing more.
Joseph Rodecker Idk anything but I heard that it's an law in the US and Canada? Something about the size of an engine in certain types of vehicles have to have the covers for some reason. Maybe if a gasket fails it doesn't fling all over the engine bay? I'm not sure. Just what I've heard from a few people who know a lot more about that shit than I do.
Wow 😮 the Raptor did amazing with such low gears I ccan’t believe that with big tires and a 4-10 rear end that’s phenomenal!!!!!!
The 10-Speed really helps it out. Low Gears for acceleration, and a triple Overdrive for highway.
ripfletching The Raptor is a 10 speed tranny. The RAM is 8 speed. It's all about final RPM at cruising speed.
ripfletching with tires that big the high gears help the MPGs. Another factor is the transmissions. Also the width of the body helps as well.
Pat MyGroin it’s still amazing about the Raptor regardless
Main Street Customs 33513 Absolutely. If I had the money I'd be looking at the raptor.
You know whats pretty confusing..... They put all this tech into these trucks to increase MPG over the last 20 years (VV-T, Cylinder deactivation, Turbo, 10-speed transmission, overhead cam, Hybrid Technology, ECO system, Air dynamics, Lighter weight body and frame, etc...) and there basically getting the same MPG has a truck from the early 2000's. Granted that they make a lot more power (100--150HP), but you would think that a consistent 20+ MPG highway would be achievable by now....
The thing is though they make 100-150HP at FULL THROTTLE. In everyday driving they would be using about the same HP, so not much improvement at all for all the tech
Overall, trucks are still heavier than their older counterparts with their required safety systems, cushy interiors, etc. Rolling on bigger, heavier wheels and wider tires. Pick up a 90's F150 with a 4.9, 5 speed, stock height on stock 215's and you can absolutely pull down 20+ mpg consistently unloaded.
My 06 Silverado is getting about 14.5 lol
@@kylesonsalla7620 I was in the USAF/MSANG with a guy whose main ride was a F-150 "Big Stick"; mostly unloaded, he averaged just over 26 mpg between fillups, cruising 75-80 mph. I think that was with the injected Windsor 302 V8. I had an 89 SHO that got mid-28 mpgs between fillups; my car was way faster, but didn't have anywhere near the utility of a pickup.
@@wireflight Wish the Windsor 302 with the auto I used to drive would get that. It would do 8 mpg in the winter and 11 in the summer
If I were a buyer of the Rebel I would be surprised if it had gotten 22mpg - regardless of the EPA. The Chevy has the least powerful engine and the highest gearing so it is not surprising that it got what it did. If anything, the Raptor is the surprise of the group. Buyers of these type of off road trucks are not really looking at MPG as a major factor.
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O yes they are. Its off road preformance and mpg as they daily drive it
I’m not sure but i think the Chevy is offered with the 6.2 giving it one of the highest power numbers still with a high epa
@@jakeweber4514 and the 10 speed
Jake Weber you cant get the Trail Boss with the 6.2. Have to go to GMC with the AT4.
That is very disappointing.
It would be interesting to hear a response from Ram.
The Rebel should have a different EPA rating then a regular Ram.
benjaminwayneb You’re exactly correct. It’s 2 completely different trucks.
It's under 1000 miles trust me as engine break in mileage gets better I got complaints when working at Toyota from customers stating mpg was bad I had to explain it's normal all the time.
afte i raised my truck i had better gas highway milage on my ram ????
and 2019 interior is superior thats what they are betting on
Not bad really, 18 mpg for a truck with 33" tires. About 1 mpg off of the Chevy. That's not going to be a big deal to most people looking for an off road truck.
How fast did you go on the interstate? Highway speed limit in Utah is 80MPH while most of Colorado is 75MPH. Colorado River road from Moab is a must drive, very scenic road. Highly recommend it. Good for Chevy to ask EPA to lower their highway estimate!
I have a 2019 Rebel with over 10k miles... NEVER has it hit 20mpg even when I try 🤬, hope you guys give Ram hell!!!
George best yeah I have a 19 lone star and I get about 15 hwy
I never trusted dodge gasoline don’t matter what
I had a 2016 quad cab express that got 19.5mpg mixed driving with an intake and exhaust on it. My 2018 has AT tires and a 1 inch lift from the factory and it won't break 16.5mpg to save its life.
Why are you guys suprised by worse fuel mileage with added weight and big tires? I had a rental base ram hemi 4x4 for a few weeks and it was fantastic easily averaging over 20 mpg.
Joshua Jeremy not really surprised at all I work oil field and landscaping for while, dodge get the worst fuel efficiency overall I have Ford, Chevy and even dodge.
Under the Hood of the Raptor "Is a Brand New Engine Cover" LOL
I'd like to see the same test repeated at, or close to, sea level. You did this in Colorado, mostly above 6000 ft. Air density could have a big impact on mileage.
As the owner of a 19' Ram Rebel Hemi eTorque 4X4 with 3.92 rear axle, I can tell you not to hold your breath waiting to get good gas mileage. Because it isn't going to happen. I'm down in 'flat country' (Florida), my Rebel has just over 5,000 miles on it now and I drive it like an old grandpa. I've done one round trip from Florida to Kentucky - all highway miles with cruise control set at 70-72 mph. I got 17.5 mpg average between the trip up and down. In the city, the eTorque is actually very helpful. I'm at about 16-16.5 mpg city now and that I can live with. But the highway mileage is dismal, especially since I've been driving diesel trucks for the last 7 years. I absolutely love the truck, but I find it very disingenuous of Ram not to separate out the Rebel 4x4 from the standard EPA rating on the Monroney. First, it's the same old 5.7L Hemi it's always been. If it didn't get 20+ mpg in the past, it isn't going to get it now. You have the axle ratio working against you with the 3.92 and the engine running 300 rpm higher than it would if it was a 3.42 or 3.55 rear end, with bigger, wider, heavier, more aggressive tread tires with high rolling resistence not helping any. You don't have the wind-cheating, aerodynamic assistance from a front end chin spoiler, no radiator louvres that close, etc. etc. The truck will, at best, maybe work it's way up to 18.5/19 mpg if you are lucky.
smartest comment here !
except it's not really Ram's 'choice' to not separate the Rebel on the Label, FCA is just following EPA's rules..
Just curious, why buy a Hemi if you only drive like "an old grandpa"? Why not save a ton of cash and get a 6 banger? I'm not judging, I'm just extremely curious. That Hemi is meant for fun and excitement, and a whole lotta noise.
@@EM-fi2qg The short answer is because I tow up to 11,000 lbs. Not often, predominantly I tow 8-9,000 lb trailer. V6 can't cut the mustard for that. FYI - I have a C7 Corvette for "fun and excitement, and a whole lotta noise" as you put it.
@@SW737Flyer Fair enough.
I own a 2018 Raptor supercrew. Had it almost a year with about 14k miles. I average between 17.2-18.0 for combined mileage which I am fairly pleased with. It's what the sticker said I should get, plus its about the same mileage I got on my last truck (2012 F150 Supercrew XLT 3.5 Ecoboost 4x2 on stock tires.) I think they answered their own question about the Ram mileage in the very beginning when they said the EPA uses the same ratings as the other non-Rebel trucks with the lower ride height, smaller tires etc. Those additions would certainly effect efficiency and how Ram got away with using those numbers is beyond me. All in all I bet they ditch the Ram for a Gladiator or the Ranger Raptor in the next year or so? I just don't see Roman sticking with the Ram for as long as the previous Raptor unless he's contractually obligated because of the discount he received. Hopefully they negotiated a minimum term/length up front. Maybe i'm just a biased Ford fan?
9:18 That cap-less fuel filler is an underrated feature. 👍
Levi P nah it sucks my car has one and you can only fill it at a gas pump or use two screwdrivers to fill it up with a gas can because it locks shut
Nothing like a $400 filler neck when it goes bad.
I always kind of ignored those EPA numbers, just because they always seem to be higher than what you normally get on trucks. I own an old Durango that is rated at 14/19, but I only get like 9/15. I also own an old 5.0 Explorer that is rated at 14/18 but it only gets like 8/13. I usually look at the EPA numbers and subtract 4 or 5mpg, and that is what it usually is. Also, from what I understand about that e-torque system on the Dodge, it isn't supposed to do anything on the highway other than charge the battery.
Lol tommy looks like he’s 5 seconds from freezing to death and Andre is completely fine. I’m thinking this is just like Russian summer!
The Ram number at 16.3 is right. I just drove from Denver to Houston in a 2019 1500 5.7l 4x4 and averaged 16.7 per the truck calcs.
Hey I was thinking of getting a new 2019 ram rebel red color but hear many people transmission and shifting issues also camera goes off and on Fiat junk and I want a 2019 raptor but Ford have tranny issues what should I get not keep gladiator have steering wheel loose issue
Adam Kyle Jackson what about a new raptor v6 3.5L 61 dollars to fill up what about gallons like the gas can of 5 gallon how many of those I need to fill up a new raptor
John Mcclane they all have their problems.. just get what you want and hopefully it won’t break down...
Adam Kyle Jackson I can tell you this. You was most comfortable in the ram. Chevy needs to take note on how to make comfortable seats from ram... no comparison..
I owned a 2016 Ram 1500 4x4 Lonestar for over a year. Had it on numerous road trips. The thing never averaged close to the EPA ratings. It averaged about 3mpg less. Although on the highway it would reach over 20mpg, no etorque, no nobby tires or lift though. I think the main reasoning was mine had a 3.92 rear end. I noticed the mpg ratings at the dealerships for other Ram's were the same regardless of which rear axle ratio they had. So perhaps that's what's throwing the numbers off for the Rebel? I believe all Rebel's have the 3.92 rear end.
I had the opposite experience when I had my 2014. Went on a few 1,000+ mile road trips. Averaged 22-23 going 70-75. 3.21 rear end with Michelin LTX M/S tires.
My 14 average about 20.4 MPG from California to Oklahoma that was a little over 1500 miles 2WD 5.7 Hemi 3.92 gears
I sold Fords for four years and had a chance to talk in depth about the stated mileage verse gear ratio. He stated that the manufacturer can bring the best gear ratio available per spec to get the MPG ratings. So Ford for instance would bring a 3.15 or 3.31 when most trucks had a 3.55 or 3.73. So as they say, “results may vary.”
@@danielslavy6694 Very insightful! Like I said, mine would see 20+ on the highway (EPA rating was 21 hwy) easily, but it was the overall and in-town mpg that was nothing near the 15 city and 17 combined rating that they gave on the sticker. I kept a very detailed and consistent log of every tank I put in the thing and after 25,000 miles, the actual overall average I saw was 14.32 mpg.
I had a 2014 ram crew cab 4x4 with 8spd/3.92 gears. averaged 20-22mpg highway, and about 17 with mixed driving. Completely stock, express model with 20" wheels. My buddy had a 2wd version that got about 2mpg better than mine. i got improved mpg as it broke in also.
if they realize the etorque isnt really for highway speed mpg why do they keep mentioning it... lol
When changing variables, you only ever change one or two at the most between data recordings. If something changes and you changed too many variables, you just won't know what actually effected it.
Thank you for what you gentlemen are doing; this is important for me scene i use the Chevy Silverado for my handyman services. While I like the New Dodge styling; I'm going to stick to the Chevy Silverado. Thanks again for the good work you're doing.
Sorry Roman but you’re crazy to think your rebel will pull 22 mpg, let alone 20. Ram should derate this just as Chevy did.
Bryan Schaffer mine gets 21 at 75mph between Vegas and Oceanside. Every time. 9k on it.
My 2010 1500 gets north of 20 at 55-60 all day. Come over ill show ya
@@phoenix92xdan Same with my 2014. However get it on the freeway running 75/80 mph, and it only gets around 16/18mpg.
@@phoenix92xdan Is that what you call highway speed? You are kidding, right? What's it get at 70mph? 17? 18?
Ahhh to big young again. Roman is talking about a long day and Tommy looks like he's ready to head back to Moab. You guys have a great channel.
Must be nice to be young. I helped a family member move from Main to Indiana by driving a Uhual. I found out the hard way that I'm getting abit old for alot of driving on very little sleep and alot more stress than I'm used to.And I'm only in my mid40's.If memory serves the last leg was something like 1500 miles. He had alot of drama going on so we didn't get as far as we should have the first day. By the time I got home me and the wife was glad to turn in early.
That's what 5 hour energy is good for. :)
Id be pissed if I had factored in fuel economy into my buying decision for the rebel. Sorry but there is no excuse RAM should have advertised it accordingly. Nissan was doing the same thing about 10 years ago posting best case scenarios on their stickers and thus a lot of frontiers, xterras, and pathfinders have found their way to the junker because the fuel economy was no where near advertised.
I had an '04 Frontier with the 2.4 4 cylinder and a 5-speed. That thing was incredible on fuel for a pickup. 26-27 mpg on the highway. Typically around 24 mpg in mixed driving. Exactly what they advertised.
From watching the video, it seems like the OEM’s have no real input on the EPA’s published estimated fuel mileage....
Honestly I’ve always been a GM guy. Just really like their trucks. In today’s world they’re all equal. I mean really they are. Hard to buy a “bad” truck today. I’ve had a 05 06 Silverado which were best looking trucks to date in my opinion respectable MPG. I’ve had a 08 and 14 Nissan Titan. Solid trucks very stout. Horrible MPG. I love the titans and tundras but lord their MPG is just to horrible to own and drive daily. The tundra will stomp most these trucks and it’s because that HUGE 4.32 rear end they use. I currently have a 14’ Silverado best mix of them all in my opinion.
To be frank, if fuel economy is your concern you really shouldn't be buying any of these trucks.
@@AlvinBrinson if you need a truck for work but you also need an off road truck because work isn’t the only thing in life, these trucks are perfect. If you own a business 5mpg can make a large difference, especially if a truck is a requirement. I need a truck as a construction contractor, I’m about to buy a 2020 LT trail boss and I understand the circumstances revolving around higher fuel economy. However I do need the truck to tow a 6000 pound trailer and do trails in northern Ontario. The trail boss compromises on none of these things, plus it gets rated fuel economy. What’s more to ask for, calculated the trail boss will cost me just about 6k a year in gas, with those numbers from the real world test in the ram, I’d be looking at almost 7k, some weeks I can be driving 200 miles a day, that means having a truck that gets rated fuel economy is very important
I have a 2019 1500 with the 5.7 and there is LITERALLY NO WAY to get the EPA rating. I've tried just about everything and I've never been close. You might be able to get 22MPG if you're willing to drive at 50mph, but anything resembling normal high way speeds you are deep into the teens. It's certainly a dissapointment
The e-torque system will only help in stop and go traffic, on the highway it wont make a difference. Also give the truck some miles to break in. Love the hand calculated tests love seeing that. Keep up the great work!!!
incorrect. They designed it to supplement cruising power when going up an incline. That way no increase from throttle or a downshift to maintain speed.
@@tbomb887 E torque is only for stop start and to assist when pulling away from a stop, it doesn't help at all at speed.
@@tbomb887 besides doing a bit at a stoplight all it does is helps smooth out the gear transition. The little battery it has would not have enough capacity to assist you up a hill.
@@benjaminwayneb its been discussed in several videos from the launch of e-torque where the RAM folks explained this.
Excellent video. About the best real world tests I have seen. You are to be highly complimented.
My current truck is a 2007 F-150 , 4.2 l six, extended cab (no jump seats) currently with 82,000 miles on it. It was someone's garage queen, I bought it a year ago. It had been in one accident, some salt rust under, broken springs and front main seal leak. I have replaced everything under the truck,, balls, calipers, discs, bearings, struts and shocks, tires, wheels,,, only the rear axle remains.
With a full load,, just less than 2,000 pounds,, everything driver, fuel, tools,, everything.. 19.1 to the gallon on the highway. 2,000 mile trip.
Good job Raptor! If the raptor had a V8 there is no way the fuel economy would be this good. So that’s why I love the V6!!!
el Caballero agreed! The 6.2 was rated at like 9 and 12 with 10.5 combined! 😂
I have a 2018 Raptor and a 1998 F250 LD. The ‘98 is 1000 pounds lighter and has the 5.4 V8. Max highway is 17mpg combined average is 15.5 mpg. It can tow only 400lbs more, but hauls 1000 lbs more. It takes twice as long to get to 60 mph as the Raptor.
Like them both for what they are designed for...Ford trucks are rock solid!
GREAT COMPARISON GUYS !! It would be interesting to see if the non-Rebel 4x4 models achieve 22mpg on the highway. If so, then it was a mistake on Ram's part not to have the EPA rate the Rebel model separately. An EPA rating of 18-19 mpg on the highway for the Rebel would not be bad, although the best result the Rebel got in this test was 17.9. I highly doubt it would gain more than one MPG after so-called break-in. I don't think break-in means much these days.
With the recent news of Subaru trip computers lying about the MPG, I really appreciate you guys doing this kind of testing.
That Raptor MPG is amazing for the tire and HP and Torque it has. I want one!!
Keep us posted on any improvements. I don't blame Roman for being upset. It would be different if RAM donated the vehicle for testing. But at the end of the day it's false advertisement. RAM definitely has some questions to answer.
who would be stupid enough to buy a crappy red dodge, of course tfl was given the rebel as a long term promo advertisement, and now they are trying to shove it down everyones theoats, tfl looked pretty stupid here
I think they calibrate the speedometer to some average tire diameter somewhere between new and worn out, so that's why each truck is showing different distance traveled.
I've always thought anything FCA makes as being inefficient. The Raptor does surprisingly well considering it's specs.
GM is the most reliable truck here, like a rock!
They are like rocks they stay in one place because they are always broken down.
@@lento7421 I have 2014 EcoBoost fx4, worked since day one, 355 rear end blew, to much boost with trailers up escarpments, and rear main seal gone, currently at 175ooo kms, and flawless, always maintained with the best replacement parts! lov my fords and gems, mostly own gems in my commercial fleet
Made is china.....we'll see how the longevity holds up now.
There is a problem with using different pumps for a test. Mainly the pitch at what a vehicle sits in a parking lot, I see it all the time in my car. Sometimes the tank doesn't quite get all the way full if it is at a slight pitch
RAM screwed up... no way the rebel will get the same mpg with off-road tires as a RAM with highway tires.
mike hawk
Yep that is very true, I know when I switch out for my winter tires which a just a studless ice tire that my average difference is 1.6mpg less than when I run my normal tires.
@@fordmud you pay attention... not many do... details matter.
Is there really anything Ram can do when it is the EPA number? The EPA actually revised their testing back in the early 2000's because hybrids were getting way more efficiency on the test than in real life. The automakers wanted to correct it, but they couldn't report anything other than the EPA number.
alanhassall
Yes ram could have done something, they cant change the way the EPA does their testing but ram could have submitted the rebel separately to the EPA to have its own ratings instead of just grouping it with the other 5.7 1500s, which is what Chevy kinda did with the trailboss. But since the basic truck is same there is no requirement to have it tested seperatly. Just like a ford xl and a platinum model truck are under the same EPA test without two different trucks being submitted for testing.
@@fordmud the tires make a big difference...
I love tests and videos done by intelligent people!!!!
so u came to the wrong channel
I'm loving your guys reviews. No bs.
I'm also going to buy a truck in the next 3 years and weighing my options.
It makes sense to do this review at a gas station, since most of your time with any truck will be spent there. :)
My Ram has never got 18 mpg as was rated when I initially bought it. Now 10 years later, same 5.7 Hemi and it gets 13 mpg. All Chrysler vehicles I've had never got close to rated mpg. Always off by at least 20%.
My 6.0 Chevrolet gets about 13.5 MPG on average. Long highway trips may go to 15 MPG on flat ground.
Alot better than 97 suburban 5.7 about 7 mpg lol
I just did 500 highway miles in my ram and got 22mpg. Around town about 17 to 19 depending on stops.
@@rigging1377 same with my 2014 sport. 3.23 rear end going 70-73mph with cruise control on wearing bf goodwrench ko2's factory size got 21mpg. Was considering getting the new one with the 3.92 rear end but will stick with the 3.23 rear end. I do want to put 295 60 20's on there though, that wont help mileage thats for sure..
I am wondering how much time the Ram was in the front of the group while on the freeway or if you had all the trucks spaced out so drafting was not a variable for your tests.
Soo glad you guys used the same pump. Only other thing I'd mention is to share equal time driving in front of the pack, but that doesn't take other traffic into account
Funny how the quote "old school V8" got the best mileage of the bunch. Hmmm...
Yep, don't fix what isn't broken.
It has the least amount of horse power. Why would you expect anything different.
@Mark Godfrey have you seen fords catch fire? they literally burn to the ground... and also ya ever heard f150s are only 100,000 mile trucks lol.
@Mark Godfrey Wow, someone is salty their brand isn't the best.
It had the least amount of horsepower and torque. It's not really a surprise.
The driver can contribute up to 30% difference on fuel economy.
John Jackson they changed drivers.
Keep in mind if a brake is dragging on any one wheel(s) of any one truck the numbers will go slightly or way off. Same with any mechanical tightness or slight malfunction causing drag. Even a temperature change can affect part sizings and drag on them thereby. Nothing is simple in a complex machine, but it is a fun video to see what the realities of driving these trucks may be.
Hey, those numbers look pretty good to me considering my 2003 F150 5.4 running on 35's get about 10-11 mpg combined 😂
What’s interesting here is how people criticize the ecoboost engines for not being efficient. Here we have a Raptor with a wider body, more weight, 35s and more power coming within 1 MPG on the Hwy to the 5.3L trailboss. The trail boss Silverado isn’t as wide, makes less power, rides on 32s and is lighter. I think the ecoboost should be criticized for the addictive power it has and how it encourages heavier foots lol.
Plus the fact that a lot of Folks refuse to put Premium in the tank( If you are going to do that you might as well buy the V8( Of course I am saying this not knowing whether the V8 requires premium or not) 5.0 good engine. probably as good as LS.
Kevin McCune The regular 3.5L isn’t required to run premium but does run better on it. I’m sure it’s more important or a requirement for the Raptor. I wish TFL would say what they put in these trucks in all videos where performance testing or MPG is tested. Something interesting,0 the 6.2L recommends 89+ or 91+ remember which and the 5.7L Hemi recommends 89+ but they all run comfortably on 87. The 5.0L and the 5.3L are rated on 87 and don’t have a higher recommendation per mfg.
@@JsGarage Thats interesting , that would put the icing on the cake for Me, both of these engines are great( the durability of the LS series amazes Me) and I have nothing but good feelings for the 302, as tempting as ecoboost is , I think you will find some trucks wheezing around with bad turbos, in this neck of the woods back in the day when a turbo went out on a 2.3 or a Subaru, the most common fix was delete. Sort of hope the Ecoboost will not even run with one of the turbos deleted.
Kevin McCune The ecoboost isn’t quite a unreliable as some would like to claim it to. With that said though there are other great choices as well. The updated 5.0L and 10 speed is a wonderful option. The update to the power and the 10 speed really helped wake the 5.0 up further.
@@JsGarage To an old 'Plata" like myself, after driving old buckboard trucks modern V8 power is wonderful( no matter Who produces it )
I had the same experience when I first got my Ram 1500 5.7. I got around 17 mpg until about 10,000 miles. Then it improved to 20-21 on the highway. I did a cat back and K&N drop in filter with a soft roll up cover after about 1200 miles. After about 60,000 miles , the mpg dropped back down to 16-17. Not sure why, I traded out of it before I did any kind of injector cleaning or anything.
I have a 2019 Lariat 3.5 EB, any highway trip with the cruise set at ~75 mph I see 23+, put it in manual shift mode and keep it in 10th and 24+ starts showing up.
You guys are awesome, great info!
Buyers remorse sets in at 12:43. sorry it is not as good as you thought, hope it improves for you.
Raptor has tallest tires, lowest gears, best ride(on and off road), best looks and most power. The fact that it gets 18 mpg is just icing on the cake
As opposed to the 31mpg my 30 year old truck gets? What is your icing made of? Camel semen?
It's almost like why do they keep testing it. Ford already did that's why it cost so much and definitely has the best resale value
Looks is an opinion, but the other facts you stated as a fact. But I do agree that the raptor looks really nice.
@@jameselliott8541 What 30 yr old truck gets 31mpg
Suzuki samurai. Stock 1.3L with an MSD ignition.
To be fair it only got 28mpg before i rebuilt the carb and put the msd in.
Also to be fair, if you were to argue that it isn't a truck I wouldn't have a good retort other than it can no longer hold humans in the back.
I wish the two of these companies would make raptor equivalent. The rebel and trail boss just are not a fair comparison to the ford. They are just trucks with a little extra lift and some better tires. The raptor is probably the best and only ford vehicle i would ever buy, the other ford cars are just kind of blah. Ford did a great job with the raptor and i want to see a true raptor competitor someday.
Ram TRX is on the way soon. Center console shifter to.
I agree. There is not a production vehicle out that compares apples to apples. The Chevy and Ram are more comparable to an F150 with an off road package. There is a lack of competition in the market for the Raptor.
If they ever actually come out with the ram rebel trx that would be a competitor
Chevy just figured out how to center the steering wheel in the drivers seat. Give them time, the GM truck engineers are trying their best.
Raptor vs Ram's dedicated 4wd which I think you all know what I'm talking about.
I own a 2016 F-150 3.5 Eco-Boost with 3.31 axle, use 87 octane gas and when I changed my motor oil to Castrol Magnetic 5W30 my gas mileage instantly increased to 21.2 from 17.3 and I always measure (everytime I fill up) and use the same gas station, same pump,, with the same gas pump measurement with calculator that TFL uses. I was amazed that a different brand of motor oil gave me a BIG increase in gas mileage. The oil changes before that was done at Ford Dealer. I would suggest to try different motor oils and watch how gas mileage numbers change.
Must be why Consumer Reports rated the Ram One of the worst vehicles ever.
What! just rated truck of the year dude. look it up
Ram is owned by Fiat I believe. Fiat is absolute garbage so ram is for sure to follow
Cr has always had an anti Chrysler bias
@@fubarmodelyard1392 i wouldn't believe Consumer Reports to tell me the correct time of day! yes, they have always been anti-Chrysler. they have rated the Jeep Wrangler the "worst" SUV of all SUV's each year for at least 5 years and the Wrangler continues to be the best selling SUV of all time. Motor Trend named it SUV of the year this year.
@@bbhbdb so was the EcoDiesel!!! Lol and that thing is the ultimate turd box thanks to the DPF system. Don't buy a RAM. Take it from someone who bought one and paid the price.
What you fail to realize is, the testing methods for the EPA numbers
Altitude may be an issue with the Chevy and Ram. The Ford has Turbos. What are testing perimeters for EPA ratings.
Chrysler always lies about their mpg numbers, my wife used to have a Jeep Patriot and we could never ever get it over 19 MPG but they claimed 30 MPG on the highway and 23 in the city, we owned it for 3 years and it never got better... utter garbage.
Par for the course with Ram. I haven’t seen one of their trucks even get close to their advertised mpg. Ram has a reputation for lying about their efficiency systems & this is no surprise. BTW, the RAM I USED to have, kept going down in mpg, vs. going up with break-in miles.
Cmdr Darwin baloney. My 2019 Rebel has 9k on it now and got 21 on each of my 4 trips to Vegas and back from Oceanside.
blueduster74 - I had my own, plus managed a fleet of Ram work trucks. Every single one (both ½ & 1 ton of various years) had a catastrophic or electrical failure & NONE got the reported mpg. We got rid of all Rams. I guess we should have purchased a fleet of Rebels according to you...
Why would someone even think it possible for mileage to go up with break in miles?
Modern fuel injected vehicles are shipped with a shitty one tune fits all engine variance program, then they try to reel it in with closed loop operation, and whatever is wasted gets chewed up by the cats.
Closed loop operation does not occur after break in..... it occurs every time the engine reaches operating temp.... whether it has 0 miles or 100k miles.
As an engine breaks in and the rings seat you might notice a performance increase, but not a mileage increase..... then after that period it's all downhill and called "engine wear" for a great reason..... mileage and performance both taper off eventually.
I won't say my RAM has EVER got the advertised mileage, but then again I am pretty sure all those mileage ratings CLEARLY say "estimated" and are based on "if you are exactly 125lbs, driving at 5000ft elevation, using 5%ethanol, and lightning strikes estimations. Just like a sub amp.... "2000 watt Class D AMPLIFIER! then the little tiny text on the back clearly says "PEAK output 2000 watts @0.5ohms w/15v input" but of course the amp is only 1 ohm stable so yeah you get a cool 600 watts RMS.....lol
If you are upset because you felt cheated by advertised mileage, well I need only say Caveat Emptor :)
@@bobbyd9583 Because mileage increases after break-in. Everyone knows it. My ram got better mileage after 5K or so. I get around 21 highway
No. Just no. Just because you believe it, and you feel everyone else does, does not make it fact. I can assure you that the motor itself is well broken in as soon as you hit the 20 mile mark and ANY improvement in gas mileage from the engine break in would be so negligible you wouldn't even be able to measure it in any quantifiable manner. These are not carbureted cars from the 1970s. They are modern fuel injected cars time's have changed and the age old methods have gone away.
Next you'll tell me that cold air intakes outflow stock air boxes and add 30hp just because the sticker says so.......
NO. If you want to prove to me that I am wrong, start a youtube channel and buy a new car and vlog EVERY fill up and mileage, sadly even in doing so you will just waste a ton of money and prove me right yet again. (Deep down inside, I hate saying I told you so...)
I bought a 2018 1500 Ram 2X4 5.7 Hemi and it was getting 12 MPG city new. After it broke in at 2000 miles it does around 16 city. I went on a trip from San Francisco to San Diego it did 21 mpg. The mileage will improve. I was devastated when I first bought it the same as you but as I drove it. The better the efficiency. That’s with gunning it every now and then.
What vehicle drove in front cutting the wind for everyone else?
they said the kept switching positions to eliminate that as a factor
@@DetroitLove1977 No, they said they switched it between runs. The Ram led the convoy for the first 340, which is why it's not surprising to me that the truck that wasn't riding another truck's draft, is still within its break-in period, and running at expressway speeds, got below-EPA fuel economy. EPA highway numbers are assessed at 55mph (used to be 42, but they upped it recently), of course none of the trucks are going to get those numbers at 75mph, drag increases exponentially with speed.
@@nathanantilla5713 I stand corrected. I thought roman said they switched spots during the drive, but after re watching they only switched the lead vehicle on the way back (which was not even the same I-70 route they took there). Sorry i should have paid better attention. also for TFL please post these very important details below the video.. Also yes you are spot on in regards to highway speed numbers. They do alot of testing on I-75 in Michigan and do actually get close numbers but that is after they have passed the break in period. I also think TFL should have stated the ODO numbers for the gm and ford. Guess these are things for them to think about in the future when making a video like this.
Kind of a worthless video now that i look at it deeper
The only good thing about a Ram truck is the low purchase price. They break more often and cost more to operate. And I was an idiot when I bought one.
Appreciate the candor.
Interesting take. I had my Dodge Ram 2500 for 13 years since new and the only major thing I had to replace was the A/C compressor after 12 years.
Is you lifted your truck or put bigger offroad tiers? If yes it is going to change the MPG numbers bro.
Its amazing how advancement in technology has vastly improved mpg . I have a 1990 Chevy c1500 silverado with a 4.3 tbi Vortec and 3 speed auto trans, Ac, cruise, etc.. with 306800 miles that gets mpg average of 18 mpg.
Oh wait. So all the tech and computers havent really improved mpg? They just make trucks break more and cost more to repair.
But that truck has what 150hp compared to 400+
@@damham5689 either way 280 vs 400hp and you are getting either identical or slightly better mpg than then. And you are also comparing a v6 to a V8 not exactly the same thing. And need doesn't matter in the slightest
@@damham5689 that 4 cylinder is underpowered and moving 6000lbs isn't exactly easy either then that truck from 30 yrs ago was around 4500lbs so again it similar a comparison as you think
The trucks are heavier and bigger, with twice the horsepower and off road packages... yet they still get the same gas mileage.
@@damham5689 yes you do, I would take nothing less than 300hp in a truck, esp a 4x4. Don't forget, these trucks are huge compared to a 1990 model.
24:05 the passenger side fog lights are not working.
It's active steering. They come on as you turn the wheel to light up the road. If he would have turned right the left would have been off and the right on.
They act as corner lights when turning, it’s mostly common in European cars though. Great to see it here in the US.
Corning lamps, wheel direction-dependent.
Pretty cool!
The odometer mileage can likely be explained with weaving/swerving during travel. With exception of the RAM which was very far off. The only thing I can think of for that is that the computer was never recalibrated for the larger tires from the standard 4x4.
It's understandable seeing the RAM that far off, the Rebel should be rated separately from the rest due to its worse highway performance (being higher, with 33 in tyres and so on). Moreover the e-Torque won't do much at highway speeds, unless you change gears
I wonder what a factory GM 4.3 ecotec v6 twin turbo would put out power wise.
Steven Strawn the 4.3 GMC back in 91’ was the famous Syclone that did a quarter mile run in 13.4 sec and 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. It was turbo charged. GM is thinking about bringing it back of course with more hp.
I don't have a Rebel, but I do have a Laramie. There's something going on with the trip computer. If you idle the truck thinks it's getting 0 mpg which is correct, but if you idle quite a bit then it creates some very wacky numbers in the computer.
"If the belt goes you loose air conditioning." Wait what? Water pump and alternator don't matter? We know your priorities.
"a brand new engine cover !!" lol, love it.
It also depends on the driver and how he works the gas pedal. Ryan Newman demonstrated that driving nascar races all the other teams couldn’t get close to his mileage and they thought he was cheating. This was a number of years ago.
First time I have ever saw Roman upset, I don't blame him tho 4mpg is alot. I know it sucks for u but I was actually contemplating trading my 3.5 built EcoBoost 4x4 screw for a Rebel. Sorry Roman but glad ur the guinea pig sorry. I want a rebel not gonna lie.
Go to the rebel you'll be making the biggest mistake. Because of 4 MPGs. The Ford has 450 horsepower and 520 torque compared to the rebel not even close and the looks of the Raptor destroys the look of the rebel by a long shot . So you're going by for MPGs to make that decision. Lol give your head a shake
@@twis7edashice106 no but if the MPGs aren't true what else is in accurate?
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@@stevendensmore7653 it's also not true for the rebel? The rebel do the worst out of the three. Lol that's why Ford is always been number #1 in the truck Department there the leaders and the rest follow or try to. Lol
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How much for the raptor?
im curious, why do you guys fill up gas after the first click for 30 seconds? is this something that's better for your truck/car? i thought it was harmful for the fuel pump to overfill? thanks and great video.
Think it's just to be consistent with their tests
@@tigersaint124 yea but why not just fill them all till they pop once and done? In another video they say they wait 30 secs for the fuel to settle, then they pump again till it clicks. I always thought second time top up was bad for your fuel pump. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe after it settles there is some room that opens up for a healthy top up?
I have heard it is bad for the carbon filters that are near the neck of the fill to do the top off click.. I think possibly Scotty Kilmer said that.
@@johnromero6642 I think I may have heard it from Scotty too lol
reset it when on highway and cruise control on, see what it gets, in city reset it again and see what i get their, and on my other setting i let it run continuously for both
2:40 15 seconds for a 2 second answer. Really good video. Tighten it up.
I love this show very informative it helps to know the mpg. Saves 💰.
You guys should do a video looking back over the discrepancies between truck trip computers and actual calculated mpg. I'm curious how many manufacturers fudge their trip computer mpg calculations to make owners feel like they are getting better fuel economy than they actually are...case in point, my 2019 Ford Raptor trip computer mpg calculation is always at least 1 mpg better than the actual fuel economy I'm getting (which aggravates me). You guys didn't experience quite as much of a discrepancy with the Raptor with only a 0.6 mpg difference...but it still over estimated the fuel economy for you as well.
Mild hybrid doesn't do much in steady driving on the highway, Roman, so stop harping on it. Mild hybrid is for city driving. Still a disappointment, though.
I dont think that hybrid will deliver much savings in town either. Its a good idea..but.
mountainhobo it isn’t really for improved MPG, it is more for easier towing by having much more torque when starting. It will provide better MPG when towing or hauling large loads.
Its a brick on wheels flying down the highway, hybrid or not its a damn truck built to haul/tow people still can't grasp the fact that a truck is made for working not to be a family economy sedan.
To many, a truck is a fashion/"lifestyle" statement purchased to address deep-seated feelings of inferiority. Mfg's marketers feed off this.
That's my thought also, he's harping over something that doesn't help with normal highway driving.
It's too bad you couldn't get a trail boss with the 6.2L to test against the other trucks. It's not really the same comparison with a 5.3L since the 3.5 ecoboost in the raptor is more powerful than the standard 3.5 eco in the regular trucks.
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The 6.2 lost to the 5.0 in power and acceleration, Chevy is falling behind.
@@JS-nd1po You may wanna check your data. The 6.2 outpulls the 5.0, and the 3.5 eco beats them all, but with the worst mileage of the group.
Thank you for running this comparison. It will be good to see how the RAM does over time, while wearing in. Was tire pressure checked and set to factory recommended settings (for No Load/empty bed & no passengers) when cold, before each leg of the trip? If the tires were aired down (pressure reduced) for better off-road compliance and traction, was it then reset to on-road pressures? Did you measure and calculate the off-road fuel efficiencies?
The Chevy's styling went from class to ass 👎
Yes the fact that they all want Baja Style trucks is sad.. the chevy's previous chromed z71 was so classy
Its always been that way bro 😂
Wait till you see the 2020 Silverado LT it makes this look REALLY GOOD.
I feel that my 15 black Silverado 1500 high country is the best looking pickup in recent history. Seemed to go downhill from there
I like my 06
I'm averaging 12.8mpg on my 2019 crew cab Ram 4x4, 3.92gears, 22"rims,... I was at least expecting 15mpg because I drive very conservative.
Something is wrong then. I'm getting 18.5 (mainly 75) hwy and 16+ pretty evenly mixed on my 2019 quad cab Ram 4x4 off road, 3.92 gears non etorque hemi. I have the 18" rims but with the lift, falken AT tires, and no active/lowering air dam with the off road package. The 22's would hurt some, but shouldn't be that far off. I don't drive conservative. I don't beat on it constantly, but at 3000 miles it's still new to me and I'm still having fun with it. I'm expecting it to get better once it gets more miles like my other trucks/cars have and I get bored playing around in it. Man it leaves quick with the 3.92's and I'm prob going to get the pedal commander to smooth it out a bit. I'd bring yours in and have it checked our with that mileage Jando Cruz!
my 2018 crew cab says its around 12.5 because i spend a lot of time idling (so i dont freeze my ass off up north) but if i reset it before going into the city i get at least 16-18mpg or about 19-22mpg on the highway.
Jando Cruz apparently you don't drive like a grandma getting 12mpg.
Aaron Kapustinsky bwahahahahaha... You can't go by the computer, and you're always idling?? Bwahahahahaha 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ stop complaining!!
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk did you even read my comment guy? I wasn't complaining
...and the award for the most dramatic filming of gasoline pump display goes to... TFL Truck :-)
The raptor impressed me. Specialy with 4.10 gears
It's called overdrive....
It has the shortest gears but it also has the tallest tires to even everything
You think that's bad, drive a Toyota Sequoia. 14 mpg in city, 16 mpg on highway. Its slurps gas!!!! But it's a great old school SUV, I'm driving it till the wheels fall off...because it's a Toyota I can. Built in America.
Any lane changes or outside lanes on curves and bends would make your truck read a little higher than the mileage google says it is also
I'd take the raptor anyways it's got 450 hp other two have less than 400 of course it's getting less mpg and not to mention 35s aren't fuel efficient Ford Raptor all day!
To use the 450hp you need to spin the motor up to 5000rpm I severely doubt the did that once over the whole trip. Heck I doubl they ever came close to utilizing the 510lbft of torque any where along that trip either
you have to spin the chevy past 5000 to get 380 hp, whats your point? @@jnk26
@@jasonlarsen3515 actually it's 5600rpm for the chevy. The point was that on a real world drive like that the guys wouldnt have spun the Motors up to that point to use the rated horsepower of any of the engines. To use these engines at rated hp all the time it would be in the 3-6 mpg range.
It also cost 20K more than the other two
jnk26 Raptor is the best like it or not.
Recently bought a 2019 Rebel as well and definitely disappointed in the MPG. FCA has clearly got the EPA numbers wrong on this one. I am currently averaging 14.4 MPG in mixed driving conditions, not the 19 MPG stated by FCA. As a consumer, a little bummed by this and hope my numbers improve as the engine breaks in (I'm just over 1000 miles). I wonder how FCA will remedy the situation with all their RAM Rebel customers if the situation doesn't improve.
Stephen Grigoriou mileage will improve whilst the engine breaks itself in
Stephen Grigoriou ditto that for my 2019 Lariamie.
FCA was cheating EPA numbers like VW was but it wasn't reported in the news. Gotta search for the articles but FCA got in trouble as well.
Seriously? Do you all really care about a few mpg's either way? Honest question, my 17 Rebel is a bit thirsty, somewhat due to my heavy foot, but I just enjoy the truck, the engine note, etc. I did not look at the rating and say yea since it gets 22 vs 18 I am buying it, I respect you all's opinions and points of view though
@Todd Weeks I can agree with that, what year and model do you have? If I may ask
My 5.3 liter Ford truck, when purchased new, took about 10,000 miles before the fuel economy improved. However I had street radials on it not 33 inch off-road tires. Between the deep differential gear ratio and 33 inch tires that will definitely affect your fuel economy. It would be safe to assume the truck the EPA tested most likely had smaller street radials in order to get better performance so Dodge would be in compliance.