Exactly my sentiment. If the rumored PPS M3 comes out I might get one, but in the meantime I felt no particular pressure to buy one of the many other "micro 9" high capacity teeny guns. The P365 feels like crap in my hands anyway. The PPS shoots like a much bigger gun.
There are rumors that Walther is finally coming out with a PPS M3 with improved capacity. I'm not holding my breath, and I don't really care as I've been carrying my PPS M1 and M2 for years and feel completely comfortable with 7 or 8 rounds in the magazine. Would I like a few more rounds, sure, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
@@willlambert1809Right, but is it really worth the expense and effort for one more round? An extra two would make Mag Guts a no brainer. I live in the very restrictive state of R.I. and 10s the limit so I may buy this as my first gun.
I’m sure it’s about capacity for most but I went to indoor rnage with my Glock 26 yesterday is hot it ok but not as accurate as I like rents a pps m2 after 100 rounds of fmj and 50 rounds of hornady critical defense I traded my Glock 26 for one it’s now my carry in a sticky pocket holster very low recoil very Ery accurate at 5 and 7 yards I was shooting it as good or many better than my xd 9 service full size
You can't compute the manufacturing cost on a simple fraction of what wholesale and retail outlets pay; the manufacturers have overhead, taxes and labor costs on top of materials so it's not a simple matter of "this mag only costs $3 to make." Especially in Europe, the labor and energy costs are astronomical.
Walther gets its magazines from MecGar so they probably are paying a premium for them being that MecGar is among the best manufacturers out there. I'm glad the LE edition came with 3 mags and I still got it for $300 brand new.
I read somewhere that the average (and median) number of shots fired in self-defense shootings is 2. Having 4x that amount in my PPS seems more than prepared for 99.9% of encounters. If Walther comes out with an improved capacity version of the PPS I'll pick one up but I'm not worried about it while I wait it out.
@@kirkeric Yeah there certainly isn't harm in getting improved capacity with minimal size gain, but I haven't been especially impressed with the P365 variants. Also they are heavier when fully loaded. I'd rather spend my money at the range on cutting my time to first shot on target, lol.
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I totally agree. While I understand it's certainly advantageous to have more rounds and even spare magazines, the statistics that you mentioned make it much more tenable to carry without all of the extra weight and stuff.
@@kirkericYeah I've been watching self defense/crime videos ever since they started appearing on the internet and shot placement is far and away more important than magazine capacity.
@kirkeric Have had the PPS M2 for over 5 years. Carry with the 7 round mag, and the 8 round as my spare. I always carry a spare primarily in case of a problem with the one inserted.
I really, really liked this gun. I shot almost all of the micro 9s and used a process of elimination to determine my EDC. After 4 sessions, the 2 guns left were the Shield plus & the PPS. The Shield barely won b/c I liked the grip texture and the barely thicker grip of it. Also, on multiple shots, the extended mag of the PPS pinched the skin of my pinkie.
I have both and I do enjoy the grip contour on the M2. The grip on the M1 was so bad I bought a Hogue sleeve for it. Otherwise it's a great pistol with the rail and good trigger.
Been Carrying this thing since 2017. I don't care that I am only have 8+1. It's safe, reliable, accurate and shoots like a full size.
Exactly my sentiment. If the rumored PPS M3 comes out I might get one, but in the meantime I felt no particular pressure to buy one of the many other "micro 9" high capacity teeny guns. The P365 feels like crap in my hands anyway. The PPS shoots like a much bigger gun.
Love the Walther PPS M2 only drawback is magazine capacity compared to other pistol in the market. Very reliable weapon.
There are rumors that Walther is finally coming out with a PPS M3 with improved capacity. I'm not holding my breath, and I don't really care as I've been carrying my PPS M1 and M2 for years and feel completely comfortable with 7 or 8 rounds in the magazine. Would I like a few more rounds, sure, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
Mag guts
@@willlambert1809Right, but is it really worth the expense and effort for one more round? An extra two would make Mag Guts a no brainer. I live in the very restrictive state of R.I. and 10s the limit so I may buy this as my first gun.
I’m sure it’s about capacity for most but I went to indoor rnage with my Glock 26 yesterday is hot it ok but not as accurate as I like rents a pps m2 after 100 rounds of fmj and 50 rounds of hornady critical defense I traded my Glock 26 for one it’s now my carry in a sticky pocket holster very low recoil very Ery accurate at 5 and 7 yards I was shooting it as good or many better than my xd 9 service full size
Love mine as well. Very reliable and accurate.
I absolutly love my PPS M2. I have had mine as an EDC for 3 years now.
You can't compute the manufacturing cost on a simple fraction of what wholesale and retail outlets pay; the manufacturers have overhead, taxes and labor costs on top of materials so it's not a simple matter of "this mag only costs $3 to make." Especially in Europe, the labor and energy costs are astronomical.
Walther gets its magazines from MecGar so they probably are paying a premium for them being that MecGar is among the best manufacturers out there. I'm glad the LE edition came with 3 mags and I still got it for $300 brand new.
I have one after range feels so good then I got other one, so I have two now 😅😅
I read somewhere that the average (and median) number of shots fired in self-defense shootings is 2. Having 4x that amount in my PPS seems more than prepared for 99.9% of encounters. If Walther comes out with an improved capacity version of the PPS I'll pick one up but I'm not worried about it while I wait it out.
Good to see someone finally saying this.
@@kirkeric Yeah there certainly isn't harm in getting improved capacity with minimal size gain, but I haven't been especially impressed with the P365 variants. Also they are heavier when fully loaded. I'd rather spend my money at the range on cutting my time to first shot on target, lol.
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I totally agree. While I understand it's certainly advantageous to have more rounds and even spare magazines, the statistics that you mentioned make it much more tenable to carry without all of the extra weight and stuff.
@@kirkericYeah I've been watching self defense/crime videos ever since they started appearing on the internet and shot placement is far and away more important than magazine capacity.
@kirkeric Have had the PPS M2 for over 5 years. Carry with the 7 round mag, and the 8 round as my spare. I always carry a spare primarily in case of a problem with the one inserted.
I really, really liked this gun. I shot almost all of the micro 9s and used a process of elimination to determine my EDC. After 4 sessions, the 2 guns left were the Shield plus & the PPS. The Shield barely won b/c I liked the grip texture and the barely thicker grip of it. Also, on multiple shots, the extended mag of the PPS pinched the skin of my pinkie.
I love this gun, the only problem that I've had is a bit of trigger pinch.
Walthers are not Glocks. Triggers are a bit better. I own the PPS .40 cal and P99 .40 cal. You couldn't pay me to own a Glock.
It's odd the M2 is not nearly as nice as the first one.
You mean the M1? Why do you like the first better?
I have both and I do enjoy the grip contour on the M2. The grip on the M1 was so bad I bought a Hogue sleeve for it. Otherwise it's a great pistol with the rail and good trigger.
I disagree.