Honest truth behind the Kel-Tec PMR30 Review. All the good and bad things about this unique pistol.
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2022
- This has been a very interesting and talked about polymer pistol.
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I just want to let everyone know, I like the PMR and the issue was a fluke with the firing pin spring. Kel-Tec took care of it for no charge. When loaded properly with the proper ammo, this is a reliable and practical pistol. I hope everyone takes that away from this review.
On our ranch,we all carry PMR30’s when checking fence and field water tanks. The 22WMR has the power we need and zero weight to carry all day. My brother and I converted to these after talking to our neighbor ranchers. We run CCI ammo and load the magazines with Kel-Tex’s new loader.
That Winchester X also shot well with the Glock 44. Seems to be the ammo that is most reliable.
Have had one for years and it is awesome
No you guys dont
My pistol I purchased in 2015, it functioned perfectly with Winchester, when the pandemic dried up, it would not function with CCI. It sat on the shelf for 2 years. I purchased the M*Carbo upgrade kit and sent the kit with pistol to KelTec. When the pistol returned, I loaded two mags with CCI and went to the range and emptied 60 rounds, malfunctions or jams. It’s my console pistol, no bad guy is going to stick around when someone is sending accurate rounds at them. The .22 Magnum is just below the .223 center fire rifle rounds.
I've got a brand new one and use cci 40 grain hollow points.
Never had a single problem period. Done went through 200 rounds before cleaning. Damn good pistol. My ruger mark one and two are the same damn way, zero failures of any kind.
Very accurate and dependable pistols, BOTH BRANDS!
I’ve had mine for a couple years and can count the malfunctions on one hand. Almost 100% reliable. It’s a sweet gun. I always have it in my hiking pack as it’s light weight. My only issues with it is it is very loud.
I just purchased one last night. my buddy had one 5 years ago once I shot it I fell in love. I love mcarbo having some real nice aftermarket stuff to fix the issues.
Purchased one two weeks ago. I have 300 rounds of CCI through mine with no issues. Even with no hiccups I expect there will be some lower quality rim fire ammo it's not going to like.
Really because I can’t get it to cycle more than 8 rounds
@@mikemazulo3820 none of my other .22s like federal ammo very much. I stick to cci and Remington golden bullets.
@@Swizzzchezzedd I wish I had the answer. It does seem like some of the pistols have more issues than other. I hope you find the answer to reliability.
I have a couple PMR-30s. They are both reliable, for me the success of the firearm is in the ammo used and proper loading of the magazine. I have a loading tool and my malfunction rate is nil for rimfire (1/250) when I use it. Ironically, for me the Winchester Super X Is the “problem child.” Thanks for the video.
RUclips amateurs hate for PMR 30 kept me away. Eventually bought one read the manual and followed their advice. The company is both innovative and cost effective. Have found the products work as well as my Sigs, S&W's, Ruger's etc.
I hope my video did not come across as me disapproving of the PMR, I have sold thousands. Only the first batch when they first came out, and a handful of models afterward have had issues. Kel Tec is very good about taking care of its customers. I have no hate at all for the PMR or Kel Tec in general, unlike many other.
I purchased my PMR30 when they first came out. Initially I had a problem with Winchester DynaPoint ammo, probably a bad couple of boxes. Since then I have a little over 2000 rounds through it with only one failure to feed. I had a magazine that somehow got a crack in it which prevented the last round in the mag from loading. I like the PMR so much that I bought a CMR30 and have over 1000 rounds through it without a problem.
Yeah, no more dynapoint for me, the CMR30 doesnt luke it, theough the Pmr does
Good honest delivery... Thanks for the heads up.
Thank you for being kind.
I just bought a new PMR30 today. Ran 120 40 grain CCI mini mags through it. At least 1 in 10 failed to eject. No other issues and still enjoyed shooting it. I'm hoping it will smooth out with use.
I like your non-nonsence and straightforward take on things. Honesty is such a rare bird to see fly in todays skies.
Thank you much, I sold guns for 20 years and just want people to make an informed decision with their money.
George Kellgren already had the 30rd 22WMR figured out with the Grendel P30. He closed Grendel, founded Kel-tech, and the PMR-30 is just a redesign of his P30.
FYI :
Load the rounds into the mag correctly and you'll avoid feed issues and jams.
Most jams on these are in my opinion feed issues due to rounds not seated fully aft and aligned inside the magazine.
I haven't experienced light primer strikes with mine, but it was manufactured only several months ago.
Thank you for the honest review.
I really like his work style and he seems very honest and very professional.
Thank you, I am glad that your happy with my content.
Brother, your review of the Keltec PMR30 is Spot On! Accurate and detailed video display! Thank you, very much. My PMR30 has 2 mags run through it, and I have had the exact same experience you did. Another video suggested oiling all moving parts first, which I will do also....carefully.
Thanks, again!
I tend to run my autos a bit on the wet side, especially to keltec's and they run fine.I have a PMR,CMR, P17,and Sub 2k. I run them all wet and they all run well.
I appreciate a good unbiased review. You had plenty of problems but still managed to look on the bright side. I'm sure once you got it fixed, it turned out to be a great pistol.
It did indeed, thank you.
I own the pmr30 and it’s big brother cmr30 rifle. I had the same problems. I used CLP to fix any and all problems. That little bit of lube and preservative was the best thing to loosen up the two and make them reliable to no feed or firing problems. Just a few drops on the bolt and a wee bit in the magazine to get them thar shells to a feeding reliably.
Thanks for your honest demonstration of the gun on csmera.
I have one , and it works fine !! I've always used CCI in it ! No problems as of yet ! Great little gun !!
They really are, the issues are rare, but easy to fix up.
I purchased the pmr30 last month, and it had a few hiccups when i was breaking in the magazines, but all in all it is a great little magnum, 10 out of 10 with mag capacity and weight of the firearm, i get excited taking my pmr to the range for targeting and plinking.
I love mine. A few gliches in the first few mags. After that, runs like a watch. 800 + rounds out of one and counting!
great honest review - I really like the lock "hack" I will be using that for sure! thanks
Happy to help
I have 2 of the PMR 30's. Bought the first one when they first came out. It was problematic, mostly ftf. Being bullheaded, I refused to send it back. I did a little polishing on it and it works 99% of the time now. Bought my second one about a year ago. No issues with it. Never had a light primer strike with either one.
Mine had lots of failures to feed and failures to eject. I had the dealer I purchased it from send it back to Kel Tec. Since I got it back it has been very reliable (provided the magazines are loaded properly). I tried several different speed loaders, but what seems to work best for me is to carefully hand load the magazine, tapping the back of it against the table every 4 or 5 rounds. I just need to show patience because it takes a while to load 30 rounds that way.
Good info.
The manual says after loading a couple of rounds to tap the magazine to make sure the shells are seated at the back of the mag and settled in.
Which is very good for the feeding issues that some people experience, the light primer strikes was an issue with the firing pin spring.
I have two of these.
One is black and the other is OD Green.
I have discovered that they can be finicky at times.
But they are definitely fun to shoot.
The OD green was a fair amount more.
And they are a bit loud.
I had one and it was a straight shooter. But it needed cleaned about every 50 rounds. I think the ammo was most of it. 22WMR seems extra dirty. But i had a lot of FTF,, FTE,, and some fails to fire. Also the ill fitting mag was some of the problem. So i traded it for something else. Thank you for the video.
Had very little failure to fire with mine. I always attempt to try the round again a few times and it appears that you just get some bad rounds that wont fire
We have 2 of the 2nd gen pmr 30s. They’ve both been flawless with several types of ammo, when loaded correctly as per the instructions. We do use a Lula loader for them. Armscore has been flawless with 40gr SP. Hornady , Winchester , CCI, all have worked with no issues.
For the first 100rnds we did load only 25 to let the pistol cycle and break in some. It works fine with 30 now , but we still usually load 25-28 rnds. The originals seemed to have mag issues, 2nd gen I think they’ve been resolved.
I have one. Mine is also ammo picky. The loading of the magazines really requires a Lula device to load them flawlessly. The difference is amazing, no matter how good you think you loaded them before. They really do not like under 40 grain soft tips, but mne will go through 4 mags of Horandy Critilal Defense (45 grain) without a hickup of any kind. I'd send that pistol you used back to Keltec
It went back, came back working perfectly now.
This has become my carry pistol. That's an achievement since I had considered getting rid of it. Fails to feed was my vexation. Guess what I was loading the magazine improperly and once I got an education from KelTec rep on that.....POOF no more fails or very rarely....Love this pistol now!
I had the same dud crap when I got my PMR30. But, after I cleaned it and put CLR in all the RIGHT places, it runs like clockwork. And I had the same problems with my CMR30 and I followed my same clean and lube with CLR it too runs great now.
i just bought a PMR 30 and CCI MAXI MAG 40GR jhp all fired fine and fast as you want
did you tap the mag once loaded to set the rounds to back of the magazine wall
Hey mate, great vid yeah. I found that these updated PMR30s have a more precision manufactured hammer spring, resulting in closer tolerances in length and tension. Some of the earlier ones would get a weak spring, right, resulting in poor hammer performance. It's a bit of a balancing act to get the exact hammer impact from correct spring tension, without effecting slide cycle efficiency, which directly effects ejection. They finally got it right and mine works like a center fire all day long. Stay safe mate, cheers!!
Mine like Speer 40 grain it doesn’t like 30 grain thanks for the review
I just purchased my PMR30 last December and so far I'm trying very hard to get this gun to malfunction! I don't know what I'm doing wrong but right out of the box, it has been flawless. I have about 300 rounds threw this gun and I shoot 3 mags every week at my Local gun range! Maybe as I keep shooting more rounds, it will start to Malfunction like I have seen in some of these videos and then again It may Never Malfunction. I now have 2 P17's, one CP33 and one PMR30 and they all just refuse to Malfunction! OK, I lied little because I did have a few Dud Rounds and one Failure to Eject in over 2000 rounds! Oh well nothing is perfect, so I will have to just Live With It!
I am no stranger to sarcasm sir. I hope my video did not come across as critical of PMR line. The vast majority work very well and tje few that do not get a quick trip back, then work good forever. Light primer strikes is very odd, but I agree with you. I have sold 100s of these and have had only a few issues.
OK, but no Sarcasm this time. After posting this, I started to experience several FTF which I thought I corrected but then my Firing Pin Broke! I called Kel-Tec and they sent me a new firing Pin which I replaced, with the help of RUclips Instructions! I tested it at my LGR and of 100 rounds, I had 3 FTF but I will continue to keep shooting at my LGR once every week and time will tell if other problems happen! Thanks for your reply and good luck! @@RattlesnakeDefense
For some reason if the top round in the mag is on the left with a round already in the chamber the first shot fired will cause a malfunction . If the first round on the top of the mag is on the right hand side of the mag with a round already in the chamber there will be no malfunction in firing the whole mag.
I too am dealing with the same issues EVEN after spending $250 on MCADO's fix kit. Serious LOVE Hate issue. Would love ONE video on how to fix the issue. Thank you for being honest. Respect
Adding the M-Carbo Keltec PMR-30 All in One pro bundle took care of a lot of the problems!!!!!!
I went from 1911 to the PMR, weight, high cap mag, close to same damage as 9mm.
With rimfire bullets in a clip make sure that each subsequent bullet's lip is in front of the previous bullets lip and not behind. This ensures flawless feeding and performance.
Just bought one ,put 20 rounds through it had no issues.paid 399.00 really going to like it.
I think you will love it. Very unique and practical pistols.
love mine but here in illinois they just passed a law that outlawed mags over 10 rounds. so my question is can i buy a 5 or 10 round mags for this gun? tia
Just did a search of all my distributors, Kel Tec does not make anything other than 30 rounds for this handgun. However, I cant post a link here per youtube rules, if you do a quick search on google, you can find some modified magazines that will work for you. Good luck.
After mine came back it worked fine. Use the ammo they recommend. May work better if you only load about 25. Also don’t forget the Keltec cmr30 uses the same mags, a big plus, and mine came with a threaded barrel. Finally be careful how you load the mag. If you dent the casing it will have feed issues. Take your time loading the mag. Mine works fine. Also note: Keltec warns against using a suppressor on the pmr 30 but actually provides a threaded barrel on the Cmr 30. Go figure. Nice vid.
I have 2. I only shoot the federal 50gr HP. That's what mine likes best. 100% reliable so far. I have 2 CMR 30' they are also great. I just wish they would make them in 17HMR.
I agree
This pistol requires 40 grain high velocity ammo, the three types you tested did not meet the specifications to reliably cycle the action. However, loading the magazine correctly is tricky, most failures are a result of the magazine not properly loaded. It is crucial that each round is pushed all the back into the magazine, tap the mag ever 5 rounds or so and it will reliably cycle. I went ahead and ordered the Magula speed loader for the PMR30 and it is a game changer. All rounds are pushed all the way to rear and they all cycle properly. The light primer strikes is an issue that Kel-Tec will have to fix for you. It's a pretty awesome gun, mine is 100% reliable with Winchester super X and CCI 40 grain Maxi-Mags. Good luck to you.
A well broke in PMR will shoot most standard power mag ammo. The mag load is tricky, but Kel Tec did take good care of me on the repair, and it works very well now.
Do you think the MCARBO upgrade would be useful, for example, stiffer recoil spring ?
Thanks
I may have to try that.
I went ahead and got the All-In-One PRO bundle kit ($249). Had I'd known about the aluminum alloy frame model then I'd be $150 ahead right now. Still love my PMR though.
Mine runs good, after I put about $200.00 worth of after market parts in it. Now I have a S&W M&P 22 mag that has some problems, but it is getting better with a break in of over 200 rounds, but I still have my Kel-Tec PMR 30.
Are you ensuring that the rounds are loaded fully to the rear of the mag?
I have a Gen 2 and run Armscor through it with NO problem’s.
I would suggest taking the cover off of the top, and make sure that tiny roll pin insnt dragging. I believe thats your issue.
Mine seems to like 40gr CCI so I just buy them when I find them and don't bother with the lighter stuff
I've had my PMR for 9 years and functions flawlessly , only use Hornady 30 gr with the red tip.
I cant wait to get one then im gonna get the cmr 30.
The PMR-30 has like a 50-pound trigger pull and that's why I sold it one week after purchasing it!
I have handled hundreds of PMRs and all of them have about a 3.5 to 4lb trigger pull. Was there something wrong with yours or was it the 50 state legal trigger perhaps?
Is there a threaded barrel available for a suppressor?
Not on the primary market. Due to the design of the PMR, a suppressor would increase the gas volume and lead to reliability issues. It would be nice, might have to look into the WMP design.
I wish Kel TEC would make a subcompact version of the PMR 30 .Maybe a PMR 15 or a PMR 10 .
Is it accurate enough to use on small game in a pinch rabbits or a squirrel preferably head shots
That is going to depend on the individual gun, I have seen some that shoot that well. Not all.
I had an old AMT 22 magnum jammed all the time great idea get fired the best with the aguila 22 Magnum in the Winchester 22 Magnum
start a new pmr30 off with copper plate round nose 40 grain to break in... mine liked the winchester.. had mine for 3-4 yrs.. it is to the point now can shoot hollow points thru it.. love the keltec's.. own and bought a few.. #2-p-17's [.22lr semi auto].. and 2-pmr 30's..
Do you know anything about the aluminum model that is more readily available at Academy than the polymer model which is always out of stock? It costs about $100 more,and I'm not sure if it would be worth the extra cost.
I'd never seen that until you mentioned it, and I went and looked it up. That's odd as heck. I'd love to get a hold of one and run it through the ringer.
I agree, never saw one. Need to aquire and try one.
@@RattlesnakeDefense I will be waiting for the video revue.
I seen several reviews of this model. The gun itself has had most of it's problems worked out and users find it reliable. Like most slide guns it can be finicky about the ammo and several brands and loads need to be tried to see what works in each gun. It is hammer fired and the light primer strikes indicates it needs a stronger spring which if Kel-Tec does not address then someone in the after market will offer one.
The weak point is it's magazine. Seems you need to practice proper loading it correctly. T requires loading a certain procedure and way. After every few rounds you have to tap the mag to make sure they are seated against their base. That and alternating how they are pushed into the mag side to side.
I would like to add one of these to my inventory.
This is all very true, good info.
Grendel P 30 was fine . 30 or 40 gr. Worked . It works with CCI MAXI40 gr.
What's the hat ur wearing in this video & where can i find one please? It's very nice!
Condor Tacticsl in coyote brown. Should be everywhere on the internet.
The magazine must be loaded according to the instructions or it will jam and Miss feed
I love the pmr 30 Only had a couple issues I probably put close to 1000 rounds through it. I like it. I think it just needs to be worked out clean oil you know break it in good I just like it.
Let's not forget the early model that keyholed !
Growing pains ?
I try to give a brand new platform a bit of room to settle in. There were a few issues on the way, but they stayed the course.
I have one, its never fired a full mag without a hiccup
I had one of these, but I suffer from the dreaded "big hands syndrome". I could barely get through a magazine without hitting the mag release with my palm. If they redesigned that I'd probably get another. I didn't experience any of the light primer strikes or any other issues.
The decision to use a mag release at the back of the grip is an odd choice. Not a good fix for that.
I've only used cci ammo and have never had an issue
Their customer service is great
Thank you
Yes it is
Put the Kel-Tec upgrade kit in it
Any comments about the improved 2nd generation of this item?
I went from sending many back for feeding issues, to only sending a few. It seems to have made several improvements and made it much better for the same money.
I have the PMR 30 and I bought it five or six years ago. The only true issue that I have with it is the loading of the magazines. If you load it by hand, I guarantee you’re going to have fee problems if you load it with the little loader almost no problemspolish that feed ramp, especially if you’re gonna use hollowpoint ammo
Couldn't a heavier striker fix the lite primer hits?
It did, A trip back to Kel Tec got her running fine, just needed some adjustments.
Love mine
FYI KelTec has come out with a firing pin revision, and I am convinced that it will solve most if not all problems when it comes to light strikes.
In the end, between loading the mags perfectly (using the Lula speed loader it's impossible to load it anything but perfectly) and using the "right" ammo (40gr MaxiMag or 45gr Critical Defense) the gun can be made to be 99%+ reliable. You can also tweak the gun via mcarbo stuff, but you also can add reliability by get an RJ Feddersen threaded barrel. The added 1" or so of barrel length seems to allow the gun to cycle with lighter rounds like 30gr V-Max.
Got the LULA PMR-30 and it loads the mags perfectly. Plus now you can load fast too. Can't wait to go to the range and see if my jams disappear.
There is also a steel feed ramp available now
There is a steel feed ramp available now to
I bought mine 3 years ago and it shoots everything I load in it. Never had a misfire. I did screw up loading the mag once and hopped the rim behind the rim on the previous round, they won't feed that way. 😂
I never saw you Tapp the mag down
I got me one and I love it
Guess you never heard of the ten second rule of hangfire?
As much as I like it I have been torn over getting the pmr-30 or the S&W .22 msg.
I can only afford 1-2 guns a year so I can’t afford to have something that shoots when it wants.
I have wanted a .22 mag since my dad had his 1956 Ruger .22 mag which I loved that revolver and it’s round up
That's a hard one. Keep in mind, even in my comments, people still love the PMR even with the flaws. It's a very unique pistol with unique challenges. If it helps, the pistol in the video runs fine now.
Every video on this gun I've watched has shown that the ones who have trouble are the ones who ignore Keltec's ammunition recommendation. I don't get it. Would you buy a car that requires high octane gas and use regular?
My pmr eats anything high velocity... loves the v max ..loves the Hornady critical defense rounds loves the a22 35 grain. As long as it's not a broad hollow point it eats it right up and I've never had q light primer... not 1... maybe a couple stove pipes.
Mine runs like a champ
I have 2 of them and both run flawless! They eat anything that I put in them!
CCI maxi mags shoot the best in mine very accurate with short barrel!!
Mine was crap at first . But if you look at the clio it has a little bit of play in it , I fixed that and I can shoot any ammo with little to NO hang ups !! It shoots 35 grain polymer tips all the way to 45 grain hollow points and everything in between . Love my gun now !!
People don't understand 22 magnum is a very underrated round, its always has been.
it punches very deep for a tiny bullet a 40 or more grain bullet, moving at 1875 to 2200 muzzle speeds and punching over 12 to 16in OR MORE.
Its more than enough to put somebody down, especially if you have a 30 of themor less even.
I don't understand why people compare it to a 22 long rifle, when it's far superior in penetration.
I have the walther no jambs no light primer strikes just accurate no nonsense shooter
That caliber is completely capable for self defense
Put a Kel Tec Pro kit in one. Done. The buffer bushings are weak. Replace, repeat.
When the thumbnail is a safety violation, you gotta watch.
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Break in is important, proper loading, cleaning and lube. Kel Tec will get it working perfectly.
Kel Tec took good care of it. They have very good customer service from a dealer standpoint as well.
Mine still gets a round jammed in sideways at least once or twice ever mag. I sent it to them once and they replace the ejector and barrel and said it works flawlessly. Sent it back and it’s still doing it. I have put Mcarbo feed ramp, enhanced guide rod spring, flat trigger, mag release and it still FFE every mag. I’m really wanting this gun to run but mine sucks Biden.
This gun has been around many years now and they should have the “issues” worked out by now. I understand you will have problems but this is ongoing to say the least…
PMR 30 Mcarbo Kit...👍
My walther wmp is a great gun 0 ftf 0 fte it just runs and now you can get it for 450.00
The light primer strikes come from that plastic top plate with the orange sights in it! If you’ll take your weapon and pull the slide back you can see the flat rectangular piece of the firing pin! Push it back and fourth, oh wow and she sticks!!! Loosen the screws and sand that long rectangular piece of plastic that you see has rubbed the firing pins paint off in that same rectangular shape! Now sand it down or take a chisel very carefully and remove said plastic strip from under the plastic slide cap replace what may already be a broke firing pin and get their new updated firing pin and 💥 no more light strikes! You’re welcome
All guns jam, if you use them long enough, when I was in the military to different branches the 45 an excellent gun but a magazine can go bad while you're firing a week round of ammunition spring go bad especially under grueling conditions that's why that's why everybody's taught how to clear a jam or a misfire because it happens live with it, that's why you carry more than one, it's quicker to grab another 1
I like the pistol in theory