22 MAGNUM SELF DEFENSE AMMUNITION GEL BLOCK TEST - SHORT BARREL
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Hornady Critical Defense FTX, SPEER GOLD DOT, and Federal PUNCH 22 WMR from the Smith & Wesson 351C into a Clear Ballistics 10% block.
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Very convincing test. Well done!
Thanks. Appreciate that!
Hey would yall happen ta know whatever happened to the "Ammo Quest" guy?
Shooting the bull 410
Taufullugermeister Is in the comments from California .. 😁😁
@@buffalosoutdoors I am surprised the 22LR Punch out performs the 22 Mag Punch in a lot of testing. You should try them head to head, if you can.
This is my regular carry ammo in this pistol. When I’m not carrying the SW327PC - it’s big for a snubby but 8 shots 357mag and very low kick. But I’d be perfectly fine carrying 351pc- if I could only have 1 EDC it would be 351c!
That's a good result from the federal punch. I am amazed at how much improvement has been made in rimfire ammunition in the last few years. Great video Buffalo!!!
Thanks. I agree, it's come a long way!
Why is it already sold out with no backorder?
@@ted.angell7609we seem as Americans to have a problem asking the right people the right questions, calling out treason, communism and terrorism essentially. The people behind the decisions We the people allow to slide by, usually at worst spreading memes and little else to voice concern, disagreement or plain insisting on accountability. These people in our gov't, fortune companies etc know exactly what they're doing despite the majority not agreeing with it. They'll continue to subvert and take everything away little by little until we just can't take it anymore, then they'll declare a martial law and try to finish the job. All comes down to the people working against their conscience, our constitution and mainly Bill of rights. They keep just following orders, lead & ceo's keep progressing agenda 2030... We'll see it get worse and worse, until the true gov't We the people put our feet down to live on instead of our knees and our money's where our mouths are. Basically so I've heard.
Short version:
Hornady: 😖
Speer: 😏
Federal: 😁
I'm not surprised Federal wins the contest. I use HST ammo in all my carry guns. Federal seems to be outstanding at producing defense ammunition.
Thanks, Buffalo. Your shot placement was perfect!
Thanks Gary!
Beautiful woodsy property! What state are you in?
@@onedirection3510 He is in Kentucky
@@garyK.45ACP Thanks
I think you got your Hornady and Speer mixed up. Speer had more velocity, but Normandy had more foot pounds of energy and they do more damage to their targets (meat and the like). Hornady also has more penetration.
Buffalo gets Clear Ballistics gell blocks and commences to show them exactly how they SHOULD look! Like a fish aquarium and not some pond water block!
The man with the clearest gell blocks on RUclips!
The clear gel blocks do not replicate tissue as accurately as the “pond water” gel blocks you disdain. Those blocks are made in house out of a powder and have to be cooled. They are used by the FBI for ballistics gel testing, as the resistance simulates human and animal tissue more accurately and will affect the expansion of projectiles differently than mail ordered ballistics gel.
It looks like Federal did their homework on the Punch line of bullets. It performed well in about every caliber I’ve seen tested. Yet another great video sir.
Thank you and I have to agree they did their homework.
Federal Punch is really setting a high standard for the rimfire world. Love to see it.
I agree. Their punch .38 special is great too
Well Buffalo, one thing I can say for sure is that you are a damn good shot! So many guys shooting multiple rounds at gel blocks miss their aiming point at short distances, just like you are shooting at (and HITTING your marks). Even more impressive is when you stretch a little revolver out to 50 or 100 yards and rarely miss. I really appreciate good marksmanship! Keep up the excellent work!
I'm telling Tools & Targets what you said!
Thanks I appreciate your comment!
Well done and a very satisfying video.
Your point of aim, controlled shot placement and your cool hand firearm in hand experience overall meant that you presented a very neat results.
Also as a bonus to you not having to use another gel block if you had premature exits to the side or top due to improper shot placements.
You are a great shot sir
The 22 master at it again. You made 22's cool again. Thanks Buffalo.
Thanks!
If you do carry .22WMR for self-defense, that Federal Punch is the way to go. Thanks for the information, great video, as always.
Thanks for the comment!
I'm glad to see that ammo companies are making defensive 22 ammo now. I carry a Smith and Wesson 43C loaded with Federal Punch
Nice! 👍
Excellent methodical presentation, Sir! One of the best I’ve seen on RUclips. We can really learn something from such a vid. This is the way it should be done. Thanks for your efforts and expertise!
Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful! Thanks for the comment!
I agree! Great video, and it encourages me with same caliber in a Davis Derringer and Ruger 10-22M! I Use whatever ammo available , prefer Armoson. Thanks for your video!
Federal Punch is very impressive.
Surprisingly it did better through the denim .
Appreciate that information
That surprised me too!
I was thinking about this too. I think it’s all about quality control. Federal looks like it has better quality control than the others.
.22 Federal Punch is close to .32 S&W Long FMJ, which used to be (I think) a standard police carry round.
It would be interesting to see if the performance trend followed in 4" to 6" and 18" guns. Great video as always. Thanks
Yup! I have a 3" LCRx, 4" Heritage and Henry 20' rifle. I'd love to see what kind of velocity, energy, penetration and expansion these all get out of similar guns.
I ain't afraid to wear a topic out! I proved that with the tiny revolver series. I can make this a series if need be! Thanks for the suggestion!
All about learning
@@buffalosoutdoors Cool! I'm thinking that maybe the FTX and GD just needed a wee bit more velocity to perform correctly...maybe. By the same token would the Punch disintegrate if used from a rifle? Since all this ammo is advertised for PDW's, does any of it give advantage in longer barrels vs traditional 40grn SP's & HP's for personal protection, vermin & small game? Big ask, but the results would be very interesting.
Yeah I agree. The stats on paper are nearly identical from these three out of this gun. Does that continue or will there be more major differences in longer barrels at higher velocities???
Also important for chronograph readings are air temperature, altitude, and humidity--so you did good.
Jacketed pistol bullets at less than 1000 fps impact velocity won't show a lot of expansion. The little bit you got in your test was better than I expected. Good work!
Depends on the bullet construction and material. Softer lead core, thinner jacket, etc. will help a round expand without as much velocity. Federal is great for doing it right. So do the others, Speer being a Federal company, and Hornady has always been a solid ammo company.
That's a good reason to get jacketed soft points. Expands a little, doesn't need to expand at all
45 ACP Federal HST has no problem expanding to 0.85 inches at 100 yards. It's all about the bullet's construction and composition.
@@vlogfriendsutopia that's good to know--the FBI protocols test at ten FEET. Who tested Federal HST expansion at 100 yards and in what media?
@@alancranford3398 That'd be Lucky Gunner.
As a Brit I enjoy watching these type of videos, I was a little surprised what a loud report those rounds had plus recoil, I remember shooting .22 LR from a pistol in the 1980's and the recoil was minimal
I have stoked my 351PD with Hornady Critical Defense, I will now change that over to Federal Punch. Thanks for the enlightening video. 🇺🇸👮🏻♂️👍🏻
Glad you found the video helpful. I was a Gold Dot man for years when it came to .22 magnum. This PUNCH stuff is a game changer.
Very good testing Sir. I've shot the Punch out of a Barkeep into gallon jugs of frozen water & it mushroomed down to the base. This was at 12ft. It will do the job but boy the price has gone up in last 3 months. Thank you for the comparison. 👍 🙏
That's the truth about the pricing. People must be catching on to it. It's also gotten harder to find as of late.
@@buffalosoutdoors I checked earlier but couldn't find any in stock but kygunco might have lr. 👍
My EDC is a Black Widow NAA 22 mag. i use critical defence so this video was very helpful. Thank you Buffalo!
I love the black widow 🕷️
She’s loaded with Federal 🤜
I have two 22 magnums that I carry for a back up. I'm going to go with that Federal Punch. Thank you so much for these accurate tests.
Through the years, this has been, and is my go to channel. Thanks Buffalo.
Thank you!
👍👍Thanks Buffalo,your ammo test are always top notch. I for one value your opinion on ammo selection.
Thanks! I appreciate that, if I say something on camera it's what I truly believe at the time. In the past I have recommended the Gold Dot ammunition in 22 Magnum but I am not afraid to change my mind when presented with new evidence and I am a Punch man now when it comes to .22 Magnum for self defense.
When I tested the Hornady & Speer from a PMR 30 in organic gel, the expansion of both was very impressive due to the higher velocities from the longer barrel. What was more interesting however, was that the 30gr V-Max did a lot of damage from pretty repetitive tumbling and deformation. Would be interesting to see what those do from this snub nose, if they still tumble and tear up a block...
Well done Buffalo, another channel has done many tests with the Federal Punch LR and it always beats all the other LRs, so it's no surprise the Federal Punch 22 Mag is just as good.
22 magnum is not a bad round for self defense. Low recoil and light.
Very well done comparison. As usual your videos of this type are well presented. Educational without being boring. Thanks for making this new one.
Be safe out there, and take it easy man.
I try to keep things moving, I have a bad habit of getting lost in the weeds sometimes...
Good job! 35 years as a LEO, convinced me, the .22 is a lethal as a snake bite! Semper fi
Thank you Buffalo. Your humility and honesty are greatly appreciated.
That's a lot of great information, this gives someone looking to possibly carry a 22 mag for self defense data on how the the popular round may actually perform.
Got me sold on Federal Punch, brother. Amazes me how it penetrated further on the denim test. As usual, great video!
Great video. Not too much wasted time talking. All business. Great shooting. VERY informative demonstration. The .22 Mag is looking like a very versatile round.
Dang, that punch hits the spot. 😁
It sure does!
Amazing test Buff.! That Federal PUNCH is the best choice for these small revolvers.
That shed some light.
Thanks for doing what you do Buffalo.
I always appreciate ya watching buddy!
I'll always be watching. May take me a few days but you put out a can't miss show.
I would definitely never carry a 22 anything as my EDC primary but your tests prove that it makes a capable secondary. Good video. 🎈🥳🎈 I'm considering my many options.
Fair enough! Thanks!
I've been running 22 lrs and 22 magnums through the years and I've always had good results with them. But what a lot of people don't know or under stand is all of the 22 rim fires are the same caliber just different cartridges. I use mine for hunting smal game/ varmits, and i always use the cheapest round for target practice or when someone has me clean up or repair their 22. These are a fun round to shoot.
Interesting! Like you, I wouldn’t choose 22 mag as my primary, but that Punch did better than I expected.👍
First of all your shooting skills are AWESOME! I carry the S&W 351PD and is what I love to have on my person. Great video!
Thank you! I appreciate that. The 351PD is on my radar, as soon as I find one priced right I'm all in!
Another superb "no nonsense" video. Big fan of the WMR and usually use the Punch and the 50 grain Game Shok loads. All the best! "The JJ" SW Penna.
The only quality defensive 22mag I can regularly find in my area is the Speer Gold Dot. I keep my NAA min mag revolver on me 24/7 whenever legally possible. I've never felt under armed relying on the Speer load. 22mag is no joke even about of a ridiculously short barrel at bad breath range.
It's absolutely no joke! And that Gold Dot is quality ammo. The Federal Punch beats it out of the short barrel but it's still a force to be reckoned with.
People usually know if they have been shot and they aren't concerned with the caliber or brand. People rather leave than get shot more.
@@bobjohnson1633 Very true. Way more defensive uses of a firearm that go unreported vs actually having to shoot because brandishing it and telling your would be attacker to think twice usally sends them scrambling.
This is exactly the video I needed. Thank you so much for the thorough testing of these.
Great review I would feel comfortable carrying a 22 magnum with federal punch in it.
Thanks!very good to know. I'd seen tests for Punch .22lr that weren't as convincing, so it's good to know about the magnum.
Outstanding test/comparison! Thanks so much for taking the time to create and share this. 👍
Excellent job Buffalo!
I know it adds a little more to the test in setups but in my rifle testing I found a lot more info using the chronograph at every stage of testing. You will know the velocity entering the gel block as well as the average velocity test. Just a suggestion to add to an already excellent test my friend.
Thanks for the time, money and effort you put into these for all of us to see for free.
Outstanding job!
Keep'em coming!
I love your honesty and charming and polite personality. thank you
Thanks for the compliment!
As usual great test. Federal punch line is impressive across the board for all calibers. I was die hard Hornady until I saw the light haha
I was a Gold Dot man (22 magnum) and have recommended it many times in the past. However I am not afraid to change my mind when presented with new evidence! Thanks for watching!
Naturally, I'd love to see this repeated in your 3" LCRx.
Even putting a piece of dense 1/4" fiber wood after about 2 to 3" of gel before the rest of the gel block would simulate bone. Would be interesting to see how they perform after denim, wood, and gel.
Sir, gel already simulates various density tissue the bullets might have to go through on its way via rib cage/sternum, lung, heart muscle, tendons, arterial tissue, other lung, other heart (if need be and you are shooting a Klingon or similar xeno). If this piece of info happens to be a new to you, be sure to find more on topic of ballistic gel terminal performance testing methodology as established via works of Drs. Fackler and Gary Roberts and others working in this field.
@@titanscerw Application. I've seen boat loads of plain gel videos by varied and independent testers. Also, I've seen the denim and hard barrier tests by various testers. I've also seen a setup that's intermittent, meant to simulate clothing, followed by pectoral, followed by a hard smack on a bone, followed by more tissue.
The results? Bullets that function in plain gel or denim followed by plain gel, start to fall apart in their function with the layered approach, more closely simulating the drastically changing densities and conditions of a torso..... which is not all the same density all the way through, and which doesn't require lots of simulation or equivalent estimations.
I understand what you're saying and I get that request quite often. However I am reluctant to go down that rabbit hole. No matter what I put in front of it I will get a ton of comments saying I should have used this or I should have done it like that. I try to keep things simple and repeatable so that the tests I do today can be directly compared to the ones I done in the past. That's why I always shoot the bare block first. That is the baseline. Who knows how thick, or strong the denim was in the video I did 2 years ago... not me that's for sure. The more stuff I add in front of the block the more variables it introduces from one test to the next. I'm not arguing with you, I am explaining why I do things the way I do. I always appreciate your comments!
@@buffalosoutdoors Certainly, I understand.
Bare gel is a very common, very predictable, very repeatable basis of comparison. From that aspect, it has a lot of value and is a great visual representation between two loads of a given thing on the same given day.
What analogue people take from that and apply to animals or criminals, that's up to them.
I guess the point I wanted to make, is a lot of common hollowpoint stuff these days is touted as "new bullet technology, modern powder technology" and it's fired in gel and sure it performs well. Yet in other tests, a piece of wood and some denim are mixed with gel, and everything falls apart with bullets, except the best ones survive.
I bought 2 bricks (1000 rounds) of the federal punch when it first came out, at a damn good price compared to what the price is now. It fragments all to hell when I shoot gel with my wmp, and the base passes through the whole block on some shots. The combination of gun and ammo really make you think about 22 wmr being a viable option.
What velocities are you getting out of that WMP? It must be trucking!
@@buffalosoutdoors I don't have a chronograph, but you do... You should definitely do a test with these 3 out of your wmp. Put a dot on that sucker and shoot groups too.
Great video Buff! Straightforward and honest as always!
Excellent test.
I don't use it as a carry, but I have a Walther WMP and I think I will pick up some of the Federal Punch. I do leave it loaded for my Mom when I am not home. I know she can handle the recoil of it if she needs to, and it has a 15 + 1 capacity.👍
I prefer a 3.5" to 4" barrel but still, this gives a good idea of how well they perform. I knew the parallax on the camera caused the difference between what we saw and what you said. I just take your word for it myself. That Federal round was the clear winner.
I love the 22 msg
Great video, very informative. Would like to see this test done in a longer handgun barrel like my Ruger Single Six. 6 1/2 barrel.
Thank you for this, sir. I came here looking to learn how a .22 magnum hit. You did a great test. Thank you so much for this.
I love the way you cover all the bases. You'd make Yogi Berra proud.
Thank yee!
I wasn't impressed with punch in 22lr (give me stingers any day) , but seems like 22magnum is a different story.
Nice review, my wife’s carry is a S&W 351PD and guess what she’s getting :-) Thanks for sharing.
We have been loading either the Hornady or Speer in our 942 for a while now...the Federal appears to be equally competent, so if I see a box or two I'll pick some up...we really don't expect to win the war carrying .22wmr, but we do feel it is adequate to break off most battles, which is a win...of course at home the caliber is an afterthought, but for Wal-Mart or a city park no need to load for bear, at least not in our area...
Thank you for a GREAT!! review on these 3 rounds. I MUST ADMIT that Federal Punch is the REAL DEAL. I always loved my Gold Dot self defense but the Federal has kicked as@ in all the reviews I've seen so far. Will be my new self defense round.
I feel the same way as you. I was a Gold Dot 22 magnum man for a very long time but better things are coming along it seems. I'm glad to see Federal pushing the envelope of what these rimfire rounds are capable of.
Thank you. You set yourself apart with your accuracy but what got me to subscribe was describing the caliper measurements in .000’s. I’m a machinist.
It was a different climate the last time you tested the fed punch with impressive results, so now we have hot and cold testing, thank you for this.
Thanks
Thanks for the test! I'm putting Federal Punch in my 351C.
That's what I did!
Excellent test ! Federal been putting out great ammo for many years !
Thanks!
Great video! Federal Punch is pretty impressive stuff… I keep my 9mm’s and my 40’s loaded with it… and If I had a 22 magnum handgun small enough for carry instead of a 6” heritage rough rider , I’d definitely use this ammo!
Thanks! I appreciate your comment. It is indeed good stuff!
I've been waiting for a video on the the 22 mag self defense in a short revolver for petite women.
I would like to see the Federal 327 mag done the same way.
Great job 👍
Thank you!
Federal Punch is what I run in my NAA Black Widow. Easy carry pistol in FL weather.
Great video. 🤙🏻 The Federal Punch appears to be the best of the three
It sure does.
I been carrying the Good Dots in my snubbie for a few yrs now but gonna try out that Punch ammo..another great video brother 👍!!!!
Great test .thanks I have a box of the Hornady I saw a box of the spear at the shop today. I happy the 22 mag I being available again
Really well done - makes me reconsider rimfire as light clothes carry. I imagine that this took alot of time to do and edit. Thanks alot for making this.
Always enjoy a Buffalo's Outdoors video! And that is a nice public service message at the end (too bad the people that most need to hear that are watching global warming or pandemic videos and missing the message)
Thanks! I am glad that you enjoy the videos!
Interesting results. My wife carries the Ruger LCR in 22 mag. I have been getting her the critical defense. I think I will switch her over to the Punch. I did not see that coming.
Thanks.
Glad you found the video helpful! I was a Gold Dot man for years when it came to .22 magnum in a short barrel but this PUNCH ammunition changed my mind!
Like to see there is an offering that performs well in 22 magnum. Thanks
Much better, than a sharpen stick.
Good video.
Every shooter I know love 22Mag
Love to see results in 16" barrel
Your videos are really good, Buffalo. Very thorough and real world useful. I appreciate what you're doing and how you're doing it. Keep up the good work.
Thank you! I really appreciate your comment!
Excellent! I was headed out today to purchase a Taurus 942M UL. Now I know what ammo to buy!
Excellent results here, keep the revolver videos coming Buffalo! :)
Thanks!
We heard someone shooting up a storm in eastern Kentucky - the sound carried good today over the hills and tuned into your channel. Sure as tootin’ it was you shootin’
Darn right it was me 😁 thanks for the comment!
@@buffalosoutdoors We liked your Little Badger review so well we bought one, in 22 magnum. We also liked Jeff Quinn’s on this in 22 mag and he got it for his grandson. Wonder if you could tell us more on what he said he thought was ok, to shoot 22LR through it some. He said the cases flare out some but he didn’t see anything wrong with it in the 22 magnum chamber for this gun. We really miss Jeff, he’s earned his glory with the Lord.
Great test. I love the no hype approach .
Best again. Honest man, honest reviews.
Thank you! I appreciate that!
I will be grabbing the Punch for my 3" LCRx , beautiful test !
Great video! I like your style - straightforward, thorough, plain and simple. You are a good communicator. I subscribed.
Great test Buffalo! Punch knocks em out again!
Great stuff man. Been watching your vids for so many years now. 22 mag has become my favorite caliber. 357 mag for my revolvers but 22 mag for all of my Henrys. I've done the speer gold dot and hornady critical defense in my Henrys but would love to get these federals through a long barrel. Great stuff Buffalo, keep the tests coming 👏.
I'm glad you enjoy the channel! I plan on shooting these through a long barrel soon, I've gotten a ton of comments asking for it!
@@buffalosoutdoors awesome, looking forward to it!
Legit test! Thank you for putting in the work.🇺🇸
Good shooting! I love the little revolver. If you're looking for a new slomo camera, check out the Samsung Galaxy S9 series of phones. They cost about $100-200 used, have an automatic trigger that works well, and records at 1000 fps.
Thanks for the lead! I did a factory reset on that gopro and it's working again but I can't trust it.
Thank you so much for the velocity and energy comparison slide!
Gonna start including that in all my ammo test videos! Thanks for the feedback!
Looks like my 351C will be eating Punch...as usual, nice review Buffalo...👍
In my experience, research, and what I've seen from other people Federal almost always comes through. For larger calibers the GD is a great round. Hornady Critical Defense is great too. I have no idea why people circle around those two so much when Federal rounds usually come in higher than the claimed velocities and meet penetration requirements dead on. Hell, the 9mm Syntech HP has to be the most consistent round I've ever seen by a mile. Even with FBI clothing standards it still penetrated the exact same amount as a bare block. All 10 shots stopped at the exact same depth like there was a brick wall in the gel. On top of that Federal is usually significantly less expensive than the ones most people talk about. Point is the Federal Punch didn't surprise me. Just reinforced my happiness in going with Federal in my EDC and home defense pistols. All that said, great job with the test. Keep up the good work. Stuff like this educates people and helps keep manufacturers on their toes.
Excellent job! You started this, you might as well continue on and see how they do in the 3” LCR, and any other barrel length you have
Might as well! LOL Thank you!
impressive performance
a great video, espec since I often carry .22WMR! Again, thanx so much🤓🇺🇸
Nice review Buff! I'm always impressed with your accuracy! Stay safe and healthy!
Great comparison. Although I have both the Hornady and Gold Dots, I wasn't able to find any Punch in 22 WMR until I found some on the Internet last month.
You are the best in the business,
Thank you, Buffalo for all you do.
Jim
Another great review! I would love to see that repeated with a 3" LCRx. I have heard (you tube) that sometimes that extra 1 1/8 inch makes a difference in .22 WMR.
Great suggestion!