V-MAX BALLISTIC GEL TEST ~ .22 WMR vs .17 HMR
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- .22 Magnum vs .17 HMR with some .22lr CCI Stingers thrown in for comparison from 100 yards into 10% gelatin.
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No need to apologize for the camera work it’s perfectly ok for what you are doing. If people want to criticize or complain they can make their own video and we’ll see how good they are. Enjoyed your work, I’m a big fan of 22wm and it was very informative. Thanks keep up the good work.
Or they could buy him one and send it to him...
Holy cow, an actual clear block of ballistic gel! I can't remember the last time I saw someone do a video with a block that didn't look like a fishtank full of oatmeal! I'm kidding, I know they are absurdly expensive and I really do understand why people use them until they are practically dark brown. But it is mice to see a new one once in a while, lol...
LOL I know what you mean. I love a brand new fresh gel block!
Very 'mice' 👌😂
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@@greggriffin3882 Jesus Christ loves you and everyone
I think they are two different blocks. The clear on is silicone based and the brown ones are animal/bone/soup or some such?
The 17hmr is an awesome little round, very accurate.
Agreed. Thanks!
Ya, the HK 4.6x30mm would be awesome, if it gains any steam. A hand gun in it would be just as nice as the 5.7x28mm.
I like the 17 HMR, but it blows up rabbits and squirrels if I mess up on a head shot. The 22 mag at least leaves the hind quarters if the shot isn't perfect at 50 to 75 yards.
I love the 17 HMR for Whistle Pigs (Groundhogs) and similar size pest on the farm. They both are great rounds and have their place in my collection.
Since it is all but impossible, to find 25 Stevens now I use the HMR in its place. When I got the Stevens Favorite I had 1500 rounds that I inherited also and now I only have 2 unopened boxes in my collection. I'm hoping on of the companies will do a run of them again as they have done every 20 or 30 years.
very exspensive too
@@barbarafike4487 way less expensive than 22 mag here
Been using 22 mag for since the mid 70's. Strongly recommend the Winchester 40 gr hollow point for expansion.
I'm personally very happy with the results from the .22 magnum, 15 inches of penetration is perfect.
indeed ! and the wound hole is quite the same as a expanded 17HMR but longer ! Now imagine a bone is in between....no chance for the 17HMR but the 22Mag has a good chance to splitt it and expand itself !
@APEX PREDATOR that's fine, it's a 40gr 100 yards away.
22 hornet
@@kubanskiloewe Actually the .17hmr tends to blow right through bone. It's the preferred MS poacher round because a head shot on a whitetail just drops it instantly. A .22lr still needs shot placement even in the brain cavity to drop the animal. Also I've seen it shot at ballistic glass and it penetrates.
That's 15" with no bones and consistent density throughout.
If you get a chance, try the 22 Magnum at 25, 50, and 75 yards and see if the lack of expansion is due to the drop in velocity at 100. This will determine what the max usable range if your purpose needs expansion.
Can you imagine the energy dump from the 17 hmr at 25 yards 😳😂
@@henriknielsen9674 "dump" is the new word for "transfer." I'm just gonna dump this wheelbarrow of energy over here someplace, if you don't mind.
22 mag all day.
@@meme8315 , yep.......
I came to say same thing, I bet at 50 yds or less very different results
Those wound channels are like night and day. I’d definitely go with the magnum.
I believe if you use a semiautomatic in any gel testing you will lose velocity.
Somethings very wrong with his testing. I've been a big fan of the CCI Stinger since it was introduced in 1975. Whether fired in 6" revolvers or 4" auto pistol, the Stinger has been devastating. Far more devastating than a .22 LR traditional HP from a rifle. The traditional .22LR HP from a rifle was unreliable on 8 pound jackrabbits running. But a Stinger from a pistol drops them. Stingers are also very accurate.
I think the problem lies in the "ballistic gel" he's using. It's not going to trump 49 years of experience of great performance on live critters.
@@LuvBorderColliesStingers are slower from a pistol than any HP from a rifle and they are lighter to boot. They're also absolute bottom of the barrel accuracy wise. This "devastating" performance might be the result of confirmation bias.
I bet the CCI Maxi Mag TNT would expand well in this test.
Depends on what you're hunting. So far I haven't come across any animal that I would shoot with a 22wmr that I wouldn't shoot with a 17hmr. There aren't any animals made of jello....ok really thick jello. A 17hmr will go through a treated 4X4 but a 22wmr will not.(using fmj in both). So are you convinced that 17hmr is better now? I'm not because I don't know of any animal that's wood either. Also, the few animals that I have shot and cleaned, that the 22wmr didn't blow through, the bullets expanded. The animals I've cleaned after shooting them with the 17hmr have had more than adequate penetration and lost a lot more blood. The downside of the 17hmr is, unless you get a head shot, you're going to lose meat. So it really is, what are you hunting?
Thank you for another outstanding video with excellent hands-on analysis. I confess that didn't pay much mind to the 17HMR when it came out 20 years ago but it's hard to deny the expansion of those 17gr Hornady rounds !! I can definitely see why it has steadily grown in popularity.
I'm loving these videos on 22WMR ballistics. It is my preferred rimfire cartridge for woodchucks. I have no issues putting chucks down in their tracks inside 150yds. But I had no idea that the bullets weren't expanding at all past 100yds. I'd like to see some 50 yard gel block results with the 22 mag. Maybe the expansion will be more apparent. Plus 50 yards is a pretty common distance when hunting varmints.
I shoot varmints with 22 mag vmax and it always expands. Flesh and gel are very different. It levels anything at 100yds with no pass through. I dropped about a 75lb coyote at 40ish yards. It expanded perfectly and almost passed through.
@@mdnghtrdr79 75 pounds 🙄 you'd have a world record if you got anywhere close to that.
I'd believe 40 pounds
@@jordanhicks5131 you should see the ones on camp Pendleton CA that eat the Marines MREs with 4,000 calories in them out of the dumpsters, we used to watch them come in at night and then leave in the morning using our taps and revelle announcements daily, this was back in 2008 before I got out in 2010 after my third and final deployment in Helmand Afghanistan.
That particular Hornady bullet didn't expand. A copper clad, led hollow point would do better, but the ballistics wouldn't be as good as that particular hornady bullet. And the .17 only expanded to the same diameter of the .22 mag. Good observation, though!
@jordanhicks5131 eastern coyotes average around 40 pounds
Your comment on the lack of expansion in the . 22 Magnum is taken to heart! It really is shocking that a hollow point at 2200 fps muzzle velocity won't expand AT ALL🤔😒. Many RUclips videos show 25 yds. and still NO expansion. Bring an air rifle shooter/Hunter as well, I can tell you it's simply a problem with the leaf being too HARD. Airgun pellet and slug makers get full expansion at just 900 fps because they use soft lead in the projectile. It's high time rimfire ammunition makers change this!
I can remember years back a manufacturer came out with .25 caliber handgun rounds that would expand . The had a steel pellet in front of a cavity in the nose of the bullet . Don't recall if they were any good , but tests showed that expansion was satisfactory even down to 700 fps
I think the 22 Mag did excellent and would perform great on larger predators and game.
I’ve popped a couple coyotes around the 120 yard mark and none of them went anywhere. 22 mag is awesome
Sold an hmr and built a wmr just based on terminal performance. Hmr is fun for blowing up rodents.
@@realblakrawb On edible rodents, ground squirrells etc, .17 Hmr is excellent for headshots and not wasting meat. I cant imagine shooting an animal just to 'blow' them up. the only reason to use a firearm- practice, self defense, hunting animals to actually eat.
@@roydunn4649
Unless, of course, you have an infestation and have to destroy a lot of them
@@roninkraut6873 unless it's edible or a target I don't shoot it. What you do is up to you
I am always impressed by the power these small and rather cheap calibre rounds can achieve.
I absolutely think the 22 Magnums wound cavity is King.
I sometimes ponder the kings cavity of the 220 swift versus the 17wsm inadvertent strike force of the 308 magnum incendiary congruency to the obtuseness of the ever flatness of the .204 out to about 350 meters.
@@vinceoleyar9411 Oh shut uppppppppp lmao
@@vinceoleyar9411 I had a 243 mith 55grain sierra bobtail hollow points it was 200 feet slower than 220 swift
Same, that was a much larger wound cavity on the first 22 mag shot.
As far as I can see, thee 22mag penetrated farther and the wound channel was longer and just about as wide.
I'm with you. Like that wound channel. I always used the CCI in my 22mag. Bought 1 bx of these 30gr. vmax and never even tried them yet. That's why I tuned in just to see what to expect. Probably won't shoot them until I run out of CCI but still look better than 17
@@johnpoole8321 I have used 22 WMR for back yard varmints for decades. I find Winchester Super X or CCI Maxi mags, in 40 grain HPs work best on small game. I use it for hard-to-kill snapping turtles, beavers, coyotes, etc. The lighter rounds will do it, but on a beaver or Snapper, penetration is more important.
@@nathanlambshead4778 Yes, i'm a CCI guy as well.
The 17 hmr has a better wound channel. It dumps its energy in a small animal much faster and would be a more devastating hit.
The CCI 40 grain hollowpoint for the 22 Magnum should expand a lot better. At least that has been my experience.
Mine too. It is my go-to for chucks and beavers.
Believe it or not but at 100 yards with the winchester superx, far superior on wood chucks
TNT bombs in .22 mag are my favorite, 30 grain speer bullet with a large hollow point, these outperformed the hornady in my testing.
I've tried the Hornady 30g in my magnum and don't like it due to lack of expansion. I use it on rabbits and they are quite often sitting on their Warren so u want a fast kill. The Winchester power point and cci cause way more damage.... speaks for its self and for some reason the Winchester ammo groups best through my mag
@@michaelware7294 just curious what the rifle is that likes Winnie’s better? Twist rate maybe? Thanks
I’d be interested to see if the 22 mags would expand better at closer range. My best guess is that maybe since they are moving slower at 100 yards than the .17 that maybe that is why they don’t break up.
I’ve shot 700+ gophers with my 22 mag this summer. Browning 40gr sp CCI 40gr maxi mag and Winchester HV 30gr. The 30 gr chrony at 2308fps. devastating at all ranges.(out to 120)Close up they blow up gophers and toss them a foot sometimes 2.
Those v-Max’s don’t expand unless they hit something kind of hard, throw a maxi mag wmr in it and watch the magic happen
Yes they expand well on cotton tails kind too much if keeping for me very messy
The first non-pellet gun I ever owned was in .22 WMR, because my parents didn't know it wasn't just a .22 LR, which they'd meant to buy me. I misjudged the penetrating characteristics when I draped my house key fob over a 2x4 and ended up cutting the key hanging over the backside of the board in half. Luckily, by then they were enured to the fact that they'd had a bit of a slow child. Thank you for the fine video, as always.
I'm not an active hunter nowadays, but it seems to me that the multiple pieces of fragmentation while beneficial leave you with a chance of missing some when cleaning the animal. Albeit tiny pieces but they're enough to chip or break a tooth or have lead in your system. I'd rather have a round that expanded than fragmented when hunting.
Valid point for sure but I find the 17hmr is so accurate that head shots are easy peasy.
I am late to the party, but for good effect on soft targets, I recommend CCI segmented hollow point rounds. I fired one into a large bucket of water, it seperated as intended.
It was one of the subsonic rounds as well.
I did this test a few times and it was a similar result every time.
50 yards might be a better chance for expansion. But that wound channel is what drove me to the 22 WMR. Even without expansion, it made a reasonably ugly hole.
👍👍Thanks Buffalo. When my chickens aren't laying very well or there're giving me trouble I always go eat a chicken leg in front of them and that always seems to straighten them out.
Thats true .....Liberal Fact check said it was
For 22 mag the best preforming round I’ve used on game is the Federal 30gr TNT hollow point. The Speer Gold Dot 40gr hollow point also does well in my rifle even though it’s made for short barrel pistols.
Roster wont give you a break. Too funny. Another great video
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed it! That rooster is a menace!
#4 Buck on that silly Rooster ! There will be a puff of feathers and... no more Rooster !
nice comparison on the .22 Mag and the .17 mag. You and the Gun Dungeon are doing great work with ballistic gel.
Thanks. I really like TGD. He does a great job. Thanks for throwing him some recognition!
Need an actual hp for 22wmr expansion. Take it all day over 17hmr. The 17 will deflect and not penetrate more than half the time when it contacts ANY bone.
22wmr is the most underrated round out there. Best overall survival rifle round available.
Don’t forget the long rifle there’s some hot shells that fly very fast for what it is 1500 - 1640 out of stingers which is impressive I’m glad Ive read your comment because I’m caught in between getting a wmr or 17 and now I’m pretty dead set on the wmr
WOW I am very surprised by those 22 mag no expansion at all.. Great video Buffalo.
Thanks for watching Terry!
Tell the rooster you will make Chicken Noodle soup and he would be guest of honor!
I would suggest coq au vin. Great recipe for tough chicken meat. Or Brunswick stew: one chicken, one squirrel, and one rabbit with the vegies of your choice, cooked low and slow. (That's what the old black man in rural Georgia told me, and I have no reason to doubt him. Man, could his wife cook!)
I had a talk with him after the video! I told him about how much I love chicken and dumplings. He mumbled something about his union steward as he walked away....
@@buffalosoutdoors Well struck, Buff!
@@buffalosoutdoors thats funny
My friend had a monster of a rooster. He attacked her one too many times. She shot him in the chest with a 22. He came back to life. She gave him a week. He attacked her again. She upgraded to buckshot.
17hmr works great on prairie dogs out to 300 yards. Hard to beat that little bullet. Nice video buffalo.
Now that would be some fun shooting! Thanks for watching!
That rooster was just asking to catch a 22 mag round 😂
Really surprised at the hmr. Actually didn’t know what to expect. But I think that’s what it is meant to do dump it’s energy quick. Nice test.
Yes. That's what a V-MAX bullet is designed to do. It failed to do it's job with the .22 Mag.
@@buffalosoutdoors try the CCI Maxi-Mags for the 22 mag
I noticed the first 5 inches of the 22 mag in the gel was about the size of a silver dollar that would be a big wound
Cut apart a wound in actual flesh and see what a 20 grain .17 hmr does. In flesh it basically disintegrates and causes 1 wound channel smaller than the .22, bit it causes a larger wound with all the fragments.. Though I would never use my .17 on anything larger than a coyote unless it was in a starvation situation, I am highly confident that my 17 would take down a deer with proper shot placement within 75yds.
You had a BIG ol’ shout out on Taofledermaus’s new video! The Kentucky windage is literal, but only when you are testing .22 sized ammo! 😅
They're the ones who brought me here. And yes, I subscribed. 😁👍
@@BigDave423 me too!
You won't regret it gents, I can assure you if that!
What do you mean the 22 magnum didn't give any expansion look at the first 10 in?
The .22 bullet never expanded. The channel is from the bullet tumbling. That's why the bullet is still completely intact in the back of the gel
@@teddibiase5332 I agree with you million dollar man lol what I meant to say is that it still had a decent size channel. I've never seen any 22s really expand so to speak
the 17 is made for varmints. like ground squirrels and such. the .22 mag was made to reach out a little further than a .22 long rifle. I would say that this shows that they all work as designed.
I believe that the bullet construction is the major cause of poor expansion. The older production Federal and Winchester 22 magnum bullets use a large open tip copper jacked hollow point bullet. The newer bullets polymer tips just don’t perform the same as the old ones do. With the ammo shortage problem it makes testing other bullet types near impossible. CCI makes a 22lr segmented 32 grain load and a 40gr Velocitor load that might be interesting tests; if you ever come across any. One thing your testing does show is the size of the disruption the path of the bullets make. These types of videos are interesting and save on ammo costs; they are a great source of good information too.
Two rifles with two different purposes. .17 HMR when you want to blow up vermin and not for food. .22 Mag. for hunting food and needing a little more penetration than .22 L.R.
Great explanation my friend possible the best I've ever had! Thanks you very much!
Headshots when it's for food 👍
@@SR-wz2iv Yes sir! It is very accurate too!
A very little bit more penetration than the.22 LR. For my money the Stinger is the more effective round coming in at 1/2 the price of the other 2.
Muy buena explicación, excelente video, felicitaciones, me quedo con el 22 Magnum
I'm surprised the .22 max didn't expand. I use them on squirrels, and the bullet expands really well. I used to shoot 1gal RTV antifreeze jugs filled with water. The mag would punch a hold in the front and expand in a way that made it look like box cutter sliced the back open. I had a playwood board behind the jugs and it was peppered with fragments.
The Stingers were a real shocker. That test totally wipes out my 49 years of experience with Stingers. Stingers in a 4" auto pistol outperform .22LR HP from a rifle. From a pistol it'll stop or shred gophers, crows, rats, prairie dogs and 8 pound jackrabbits. I strongly suspect a problem with that "ballistic gel". I don't think CCI forgot how to make Stingers all of a sudden.
Stingers are also very accurate...AND...Stingers are FAR more reliable if you have a .22 auto that's finicky about ammo.
Thank you for an awesome video. This gives me good information for hunting. I use all three calibers on squirrels and rabbits, depending on the environment and circumstances, noise, wind and distance. I favor 17hmr but sometimes it calls for one of the other. No one else has done gel at that distance, I don’t understand why. Thanks again I appreciate the information.
They really need to change the metallurgical composition of the 22wmr in some of their bullet weights to make expansion possible at that distance. Mind you there was a cci load in 30gr maxi mag +V that was a great expander. But no longer available.
I wonder if the 22 mag would expand if you pulled the red tip out.
probably not at 100 yards. Smaller rimfire bullets tend to lose a lot of energy downrange since they typically shed velocity pretty quickly, even when fired from a full rifle length barrel. Now if the target was closer i think you'd have better performance, but at 100 yards i'd be surprised to see a rimfire bullet expand unless it was entirely softer lead.
I use this exact type: .22 WMR Hornady V-MAX - for turkeys. Both I've taken had no noticeable damage at all. On one of them I wasn't even able to find where exactly I hit the bird. So - zero meat wasted due to the ammo used.
And I think the V-MAX are not designed for expansion but for speed (it's light for the caliber) and high BC (the ballistic tip and overall shape helps it keep energy downrange better than other bullet types, even those which might be heavier and/or have a bit higher initial energy).
Hornady V-MAX are great rounds for pushing the range of a given cartridge to and perhaps past it's limits.
Hey Buffalo ! Thank you for testing out the Performance of the 22 magnum rifle rounds. Crazy the lack of expansion on the 22mag. So far ! Any chance you could also test the Hornady critical defence 22mag ammo with a 45gr FTX bullet and either the Federal premium V-Shock 22mag ammo or the CCI Maxi Mag TNT ? They both use the same exact 30gr Speer tnt hollow point bullet. Supposedly designed for “rapid and explosive expansion” I would love to see if the do in fact expand !
I can tell you the Speer 30gr is devastating
When British forces were moving from 7.62mm to a smaller caliber, .17in (4.5mm ish) was considered as well 5.56mm- from a centre fire intermediate cartridge not a rim fire cartridge. The .17cal had a much flatter trajectory than 556. I’m guessing that was before Kevlar and body plates.
Flatter yes but wind kicks it around quite a bit side to side
I wanna see a 17 wsm in the gel testing
I also would enjoy a review of that round
One step up from this would be a 22 Hornet!
i have one, and in ballistic apps, the hornet has more power at 100 yards, then 22 WMR at the muzzle.
How about CCI 22 quiets segmented hollow points, they are 710 FPS, into gelatin at 30 to 50 yards?
The .22 magnum penetrated much better. According to FBI standard, 12” is their bar. There was still a respectable secondary wound cavity.
The .17 is impressive, planning on getting one very soon! I had better luck with hollow points 22mwr (cci) than any red tip, the V-max or whatever else, not impressed with them. Good video & nice bonus with the stingers.👍
Good video! I’ll take the 22 mag.
Wonder at what distance, the wmr will expand?
Recently purchased a Henry lever in 17HMR. I am shooting this Hornady round and I love this gun with this round.
use the 20grain without tip is way better
I love the Hornady ammo. I shoot it in my Marlin 917v 17hmr. Its a good shooter. Right now my wife's 22mag is a Ruger American with the same bullets it does great in groundhogs anyway. And that 17hmr is a beast no matter what. Good video Buffalo huge fan of the Hornady ammo. I have Winchester CCI and Hornady 22 mag.
Just curious have you ever eaten groundhog
Owning two almost identical rifles, Ruger American 22Mag & 22LR, I can assure you that either one groups well. Ofcourse the Mag can reach out quite a bit further, but both are extremely accurate.
The 22 Mag is capable of dropping a hog @ 100yds without effort, providing you make it a head-shot.
I use CCI 40gr. Hollowpoint because I can rely on them.
With the 22LR I also use CCI Mini
That 22 mag 30 grain vmax blows the heads clean off squirrels and rabbits!
I shoot the same Vmax ammo in my 17hmr and 22wmr, and I have to say this backs up what I get on small game / vermin. With foxes, the 17hmr is not very effective unless it's a perfect head shot. With the 22wmr, it is much less effective on rabbits unless it's a clean head or heart and lung shot - it tends to just puncture them whereas the 17hmr just destroys them regardless of where you hit them. The 22wmr is much more effective on a fox with a good body shot because it always reaches the vitals.
Love .17hmr, I call mine the hammer of Thor. Every critter I've ever shot with it drops dead on the spot. Lights out!
I like the sound of the Shockwave of a good old rifle
You just reminded me that I have a 17hmr in the safe I forgot about. Great test, that 17 is for sure a great varmint round. May have to start using it to take out the ground hogs, been using my ar-15 but that 17 looks like it will get the job done!
.17 will take care of Ground Hogs nicely. .22LR will do it too. 5.56 seems a little much tho...might want to get "anger issues" counseling? 🤣😉😉
@@stillededge haha. I’ve hit a lot of groundhogs with a .22 and unless I hit them perfect they will get hit and run into their hole sometimes (they are tough animals). Most likely die underground but I get paid based on how many dead groundhogs I can kill in the fields. So avoiding them escaping is ideal for me, I don’t care how destroyed they are after haha. .223 is considered a varmit round after all, but this year I’m going to test out the .17
That explosive power of the .17 is perfect for my use on Prairie Dog.
I think your videos are really good. I shoot a Remington 597 and the only ammo I use are the Hornady VMax. They don’t jam and are spot on consistently at the 87 yards to my normal target area. Very few targets get more than about 20‘ away. I used to own both the .17 and the .22 mag, but always loved the .22 mag performance with the Hornady V max.
I really love the CCI 17hmr TNT rounds. They make things go boom haha
You should hook Jeff from Taofladermaus up with that gel recipe.
I love Jeff's gel. His best recipe is for his Russian ballistics gel. :)
@@lowtdave 😂 or the Australian lol
I think the recipe is not shooting the ever-loving hell out of the same gel after it's fallen in the dirt a hundred or so times. :)
Your absolutely right about that go-pro camera.
CCI makes a 46 gr polymer coated segmented hollow point. I'd like to see if they do it at 100 yds.
Great demonstration, thanks!
I’d like to see some Remington Yellow Jackets in the ballistic gel. These rounds are one shot death on woodchucks.
My favorite .22 round ever!!
Are they faster or do they expand better than Stingers?
@@joshrandall3632 the tapered hollow point makes for great expansion and its very fast being the lighter round.
@@fishsammich2822 Do they actually expand? I'm sure they do a fine job up close on groundhogs, but I've yet to see a .22 LR HP that expands, at any velocity.
@@joshrandall3632 yes,although it's not a perfect mushroom expansion especially after it hits a bone or something. They flatten out pretty good and I've seen them break up in several pieces in certain situations. Very destructive for a small round.
Very interesting video. I just watched the same ammo tested on a different channel using plastic water filled bottles where the 17hmr stopped and exploded in the 1st while the 22wmr stopped in no.4 with the front hollow point part completely gone, destroyed. So full expansion.
Thank you for the excellent information. I wonder if the 22 mag will expand at 50 yards. But at least they seem to tumble even though I don't think they can be trusted to do that every time.
The chickens were a nice touch. Reminds me of my childhood. Yes, the 22 mag should have expanded, oh well. Still one of my favorites.
Ha!!! We use to have a rooster as a kid it would chase the poor dog out of his house when it started to rain. Ha!!
HAHA! They can get mean!
@@buffalosoutdoors Ha!!! He was a ornery little thing.
That thwap sound from the .17HMR always lets you know that you hit a varmint squarely.
Very interesting i have a 17hmr marlin for coyotes i really like it thanks for bringing us along buffalo.
My pleasure Steve!
All contenders deadly at that distance on fox size critter, but the LR lacks margin of error. You live in a gorgeous place!
It’s interesting that the 22 magnum will hit 2200fps and that .223 will make 3000 but it takes so much more powder
@ 100yds? The 22 mag was doing 1400fps if that. I like the fact it doesn't expand; it gets some penetration that way. I have several of both calibers I have taken many varmints from bearer to fox & coyote to chucks. I am happy with the little 17 most times for small critters, & I have taken plenty of bever up to 60 lbs with 1 shot. But the 30gr v-max is always good for the same critters and usually drops them faster. It's a jacketed bullet under the plastic tips. it's a bit tougher to get expansion. But usually on fox and yotes you get 2 holes instead of one. The HMR goes in and hardly ever exits because it has more velocity @ 100yds, 22 mag is good for blood because 2 holes are nice 1 in & exit hole. If you want expansion almost all the time, use CCI 40gr hp's, they are plated not jacketed and will usually expand @ yer 100yd test jug or whatever you have.
Bit late seein and responding but great video. Thank you for posting. God bless.
Thank you for this excellent comparison!
I now wonder how a .22 Hornet shooting, e.g., 35 or 40 gr. hollow-points would do in comparison to these two, fine rounds?
Back in my better days, I shot an 8 point White tailed buck at 92 steps with Winchester Supreme .22 Magnum and the buck “reared up” , and fell backwards dead! Got the head mounted and he weighed 162 pounds. I love my old Marlin model 25 MM 👍👍
Enjoyed your video, thanks.
Don't have a.22 mag, maybe one day. I do have a Savage .17 and love shooting it, very accurate round. When I do go out and shoot the 17, sometimes I'll let a friend fire a couple of rounds for fun. Almost always after they shot the 17, they'd get one of their own. They're that much fun in my book, the bad thing is that 17 ammo will get harder to find one day..✌
I had a h&r 17 hmr single shot heavy barrel years back.after they first came out. Very very accurate. I could actually shoot a wood screw Into that was screwed into a golf ball at around 60 yards. Some dirt at stole it along with some other firearms. One thing I found they are to fast for real same game like squirrel but great on groundhog
I’ve dropped coyotes in their tracks with the 17 HMR, 100 yards is my max range.
I must add that shot placement is important.
I was using the TNT bullets
The tumbling of the 22wm kinda made up for the lack of expansion. Thank you for the info
I don’t have much faith in clear gel. In actual use shooting varmints out the kitchen window, vmax 22mag always performs. It’s 100yds on the button to the woods. I seldom get a pass through at that range and it leaves things a bloody mess. There’s always fragmentation. When the range gets a little closer, it’s leaves about 9mm size exit wounds. It also shoots .4moa in my marlin. I’m pretty surprised to not see expansion here, but having seen other loads fail to expand in clear gel that definitely does in use...
Good call on holding off on the CZ Top Three video. I love your videos man, and thats a perfect example of why.
If you want expansion try the the CCI segmented hollow point, basically a stinger same weight and speed, plus the tip is pre cut to fragment. Turns prairie dogs into tomatoes 🍅..
Don't be concerned about the roosters, you voice goes right over them.
Good to see smaller calibers now and then.
Thanks for not mentioning Scott.
Thanks Wil. Those roosters seemed a lot louder while I was filming than they turned out to be on the video. I think that mic I wear helps with it a little bit. I really don't know what I could add about Scott's accident that about a million other RUclipsrs haven't already said. I've had him in my prayers. Thanks for the comment!
Neighbor had purchased 10 chicks but ended up needing to move only a couple weeks later. I said I’d take them. Every stinking one turned out to be a rooster. 😂 I can handle 2 roosters but 12 next to the house every morning was a bit much. I donated the roosters to a needy family. I love roosters crowing but 12 standing on the porch at 430 am screaming was a bit much. 😂
Other RUclipsrs using Scott's incident at his expense just to get numbers.
Great show.
I would say most of the videos about Scott's accident are with his approval ie demo ranch, ak guy, and Mark Serbus video but the ones saying it was his fault are the kind of people we don't need in the gun community. If the maker of the gun and Scott are both saying there wasn't anything they could have seen/done to change that outcome those people blaming him are ridiculous.
@@moodster55 you haven't been looking into it.
Some just do it hoping to increase their numbers,
Matt of Demo Ranch, Brandon Herrera the AK GUY and Mark Serbu are the only ones that are true friends of Scott and are working with him that I've noticed and I'm sure there are more, but on the other hand others I've seen are out to get numbers.
As time goes by we'll see what transpires. I never said they put the blame on anyone, just trying to increase numbers.
Prayers to ya Scott
Wound track on .22 mag looks good though.
I would suggest that the resistance provided by the gel block alone is not enough to cause the expansion of that .22 WMR Round. If you used slightly more resistance, you would probably have more expansion with that particular round. The .22 WMR is a bit more geared to the larger version of small game. Or so it would seem.
Cool video and great comparo I think we all wanted to see 👍
Thanks man! I always appreciate ya stopping by!
@@buffalosoutdoors Yessir, my pleasure. Still one of my favorites sir 👍
I had problems shooting ground hogs with 22mag and it just going clean thru. If you didn’t hit something vital they usually lived to dig another day.
The 22 mag is designed to work within 50 yards, 75 tops. Inside of that range, it works well. The 17HMR is designed to work within 125 yards, 150 tops. Inside of 75 yards, the 17 HMR over expands so much that the penetration is very shallow. Just test them and see what I mean.
Its really odd that Buffalo seems to be the only guy who's made videos showing .22 mag performance out of a rifle. As the cartridge was intended to be used! ALSO, be cool to see the max range the .22 mag does expand
WoW that energy dump is impressive on that 17hmr! Great video Buffalo!
Much more impressive on a big chest, while this is a great video it appears the gel block don't show actual real life damage ,but either way the 22 mag should have released its energy with that ballistic tip.
I dont think some people realize that certain bullets only expand at certain speeds/ftlbs . If the bullet goes to fast it'll blow up, if it goes too slow it'll act like a fmj. Even centerline bullets act the same, shoot a soft point at 100 yards and mushrooms perfect shoot it at 500 and barely mushrooms. Speed and power effects expansion
That .22WMR made much bigger damage path because it turned sideways halfway through, that make up for the lack of expansion.
Interesting comparison Buffalo. Thanks!
the 17 is a great gun ,it can deflect of a blade of grass its going that quick a clear shot is perfect fox shooters love it.
The idea of that rubber tip is to keep denim or clothing from penetrating the hollow points which gives it the opportunity to expand when its in channel… It’s just acting like a pointed bullet piercing the Gel low resistance I have personally seen great expansion from my 22 mag Savage
So, where can you actually buy .22WMR? I have not seen any in stores for almost two years! (literally) EDit: Also, no one seems to have any online. Some sites claim they do, at grossly inflated prices, but when you try to order some, it always says out of stock, despite the site claiming the opp[osite.
That wound channel from the 22 mag is knarly tho
Might try the test at 75 or 50 yards for the 22 mag. Might not have enough energy at 100 yards to for the bullet to expand properly or maybe it needs to hit a harder surface first. You'd think it would expand considering the velocity but ya never know! Good video man.