22LR vs 17 HMR vs 22 MAG: Never Would’ve Guessed
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
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Always had a soft spot for thw 22 Mag. Can't shake it
This has been a good demonstration for why we need to use the barrel length, the bullet weight and the bullet speed to calculate the foot lbs. of force from a cartridge.
For the price, why not just go 5.56 military surplus ammo?
Same. Especially with a hornady vmax
Idk why I have the same feeling man, can relate 100%
Yep, same here. Got a rifle and a Smith model 48. Great stuff.
Growing up in the hills of the Appalachian mountains, a 12 gauge and .22lr were the only two long guns needed. Oh, and did I mention that everywhere had those two for sale?
To hillbillies everything else is just a "niche" round. 😆
Yep, Country boys learn young that you can take a heck of a lot more food home with a little bullet placed properly than with a big bullet placed poorly.
Hell yeah!! Appalachian and Allegheny Mountain raised!! Hunted with both ,a Marlin 22WMR bolt action,and a 12 gauge Remington 870. (Had a Marlin 36 30-30 in the gun rack) For what we hunted that's all the gun we ever needed
I agree but now you get a combo gun. 30-60/12 gauge for deer/quail or the ultimate squirrel gun 22 mag/410 over unders. Yrs ago you could get a "drilling" but their not made anymore and stupid expensive. Side by side shotgun with a rifle between/top of the shotgun. Now. If you can find one? 10-15 thou $$ is on the cheap side.
@kennethlocke4213 I had one of those 30 plus years ago. Didn't know what I had then 😞 .22lr on top .410 on bottom. Can't remember who it was made by as I got it in a trade for a 70s Buick Centurion. $45, a.22lr, and the over under. That was just before I left for the Army in 85. Not sure where it is now.
Nostalgia took over and bought me a Pardner .410 3inch last year. I bought a 9mm sleeve for it due to hard to find slugs and my grandson (14) loves shooting it 🙂. Not to much longer it'll be his 😊. Hope he hangs on to it better than me.
@@kennethlocke4213 do you remember who mfg the 22/410?
Awesome video! I myself am a 17HMR guy and have a good buddy who shoots 22mag and we find them very comparable in most real world applications.
No they are not comparable, the 22 mag will never shoot with a 17 HMR
@@MrCobb-rq8ivSure it will, just add a 5 mph cross wind. Both have their uses, when times got tight during the ammo shortage, could always find 17 HMR, have put a bunch through my Savage.
Uytff
Would be interested in what the 5mm mag rimfire would do
Truly a really fun video. 22 mag for shorter distances. 17 for longer. Bit flatter trajectory.
I know when I was a kid I seen my dad shoot a red fox at about 100 yards with a 22 magnum and it took its lower jaw off and I know this because I seen it first hand, i have never shot a 17 hmr so i will not knock that round at all.
I'd agree. However if I was in the field and I'd only be carrying one it'd be the .17 HMR due to that flatter trejectory and ability to reach further out and touch the varmits. The only downside IMHO is if you've got a bit of wind the mass of the 22 mag would have less drift. The compromise would be to have one with swapable barrels, however that would not be ideal to do in the field.
Exactly spot on.
@@PaulAtreidesMuadDib Agree 100%. The .17 will be affected more by crosswind.
17 HMR does have a flatter trajectory way past 100 yards but it loses energy must faster than the 22 mag. If your shooting rabbits it won't matter. If your shooting tougher game like Coyotes it will.
Just for bullet weight and speed combo, ill take 22 mag all day long. Nice vid.
It started with the Automag II for me and now I'm using the PMR 30 for my EDC.
Got em both, hate the mag, 17 HMR all day long, or night.
@@MrCobb-rq8iv your choice, mag doesnt break up as much, speed and bullet weight combo always wins for my needs. enjoy
@@MrCobb-rq8iv Haven't had a chance to play with 17 HMR yet so can't say - what's wrong with WMR that you HATE it versus simply preferring HMR?
but if you hit a rabbit or pigeon they'll be smashed.
I think that the 22 mag was compromised by hitting center of plate . Center of plate has more flex give . I think that if you shot the 22mag again near the side of plate it would go thru one more plate
I was thinking the same. But I just like the 22 mag alot more. Great rimfire cartridge
Looks like a lot of people have their own opinion 's,no one has made another video to prove or disprove what was illustrated...... show me
@@paulpetty3331 maybe who tee who will show us
@@neilmoreland5476 probably a neat idea , but as of now 32h&r mag is very hard to find and favor seems to be falling from 327 as I type . In my opinion 327 is a very practical round as interchangeable with 32 long and 32h&r mag.Also 32 calibre bullets are renowned for accuracy. I don’t know what’s going on with ammo manufacturing but many calibers seem to be non existent.I always wanted to see an N Frame 8 shot in 22 hornet
@@randyblackburn9765 Randy ,,Thanks for your response and imput on the 32 cals..I'm aware of the current 32 cal centerfire cartridges which are pretty available here in SW OHIO where I reside. I'm bout 20 miles SW of Dayton Ohio.
What I was really talking about is the 32 cal Rimfire ammo which has been obsolete since the early 1900s. There use to be many different Rimfire calibers available until the centerline rounds started dominating and the 22 cal long rifle rimfire hit the market and it too dominated the market. If my memory serves me right,, 32 and 44 calibers Rimfires date back to use in the Civil War even.
I've shot some 32 cal long, Rimfire in my old Stevens rifle that my Dad had bought and was very impressed with it,,so I'm hoping some manufacturer of both guns and ammo might jump on the bandwagon and bring it back,,,and maybe make a rimfire, Long Rifle and Magnum round also both in rimfire.. I have 3 boxes of 32 caliber rimfire I bought early 2000 that's made in Brazil,,,Last run of 32 cal rimfire that I'm aware of. It was $41.00 a box of 50 then, round 2005.. Guess what it's going for now? Might as well be a box of GOLD now.. Wish I'd bought more,,guy said he had a pallet of it,,buy all I want..Duh,,I bought 3 boxes then.. But I wasn't aware the Brazilian company was shutting down production of their 32 cal rimfire long ammo then either...
Penetration was very close. But the way the .17 broke up would cause much more damage to tissue.
More little bits to pick out of your meat.
It was also a hollow point that was designed to break up. It is my assumption that if they all three had jacketed solid lead bullets the .17HMR would have gone through more plates.
Which would be better for pest control, but not so much for small game hunting.
Great fun, I also have a 17, an LR and my new Savage 22 mag. They are all so much fun at the range, loved to to see the underestimated power of these three rounds going through Stainless.Enjoying the videos from British Columbia Canada
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Surely you can't be serious...
@@billrowan1957Johnny how about some more coffee? No thanks!
@@billrowan1957 He is. And stop calling him Shirley!
Glad to see I'm not the only old guy watching 😂😂
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The 22 mag was at a slight disadvantage because it was just above the plate support which would cause a little more flex and absorb some of the shock. I believe if the shot were as low as the first two the mag would have made it through the fifth plate.
I agree if the shot placement of the 22mag was lower it would have gone through 5
Should have simply inverted the plates before shooting the 22 Mag.
@@glennrishton5679 Or new plates, nothing about this test was correct, pure BS.
I think that the 17 did the best. It basically matched the result of the 22 mag at half the weight. I do see the point of the place even with that. Half the weight.
I agree. The flex in the center of the plates ate up more of the punch.
Great video. The next time I would like to see the 17 HMR switched out to the 17 WSM. Thanks again.
Love my 17 WSM. Nasty little round
@@UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkhisn't that a centerfire cartridge? I'm not familiar with it.
@@patrickgriffitt6551 its a rimfire cartridge adapted from a .27 cal nail gun cartridge using 15, 20 or 25 gr .17 projectiles. It is currently the fastest rimfire in the world and the trajectory is absolutely amazing on it!
Yes me too…. ! ✨🇫🇷✨🫡
@@UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkh
Love to see a video featuring the ballistics of that round.
everybody loves a "how many does it go through" video of any calibre!
I often wondered which was more powerful so now we have a pretty good idea, Thanks to you! And stainless is very tough! Ruining a few drill bits in my day drilling the stuff. Of course I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of any of those rounds! Kind Thanks and Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Dude, you are mine and my boys favorite bull lots feller😂 Got 2 boys and we always put your videos in our top 5 and enjoy. Congrats on having a crap ton of subscribers and staying real brother.
Thanks for watching!
Great video! I'm loving this test rig and comparisons.
I have always been a 22 WMR fan. Thank you for the comparison!
.22LR subsonic is my all time favourite. Not as deadly as the others, but still deadly on small game and almost silent when suppressed. For everything else, there is centrefire.
Seems you can put a Lamb's Nipple on the barrel
22 60 grain aguila is my favorite pistol and rifle round for 22
I sold off my Ruger 77/17 years ago but was impressed with the damage that 17HMR did at the level of noise that it produced.
They are surprisingly loud for sure.
I guessed the 17 hmr which is one of my favorites. Would like to see a 17 mach2 which is awesome. Great video, thanks for showing us!!
Excellent Comparison of the 3 Calibers Adam 👍. Thanks for the Video 👌. Cheers 🍻🙏🍁.
Maxi-Mag hp+V 22 WMR 30 Grain are awesome performers in 22 mag , that’s all I use
I’m with you my friend 👍 that’s my #1 coyote round out to 150 yards.🤠
Don't forget hornady 45 gr critical defense, goes into 8" ballistic gel!!
I bought the 22 magnum and never looked back
Thanks for the content. You covered about everything except for the grade of stainless steel and the gauge.
Most excellent comparison demonstration. All three rounds have definitive uses. .22lr = targets 25# or less @ 100m. 22mag = targets 100# or less @ 100m. .17mag = targets 75# or less @ 200m.
Just a basic rule of thumb...
Interesting test. I like the .22 Mag myself. New sub here from Australia
I love this! If you get the opportunity, could you do 17 hmr vs 17 wsm tests?
Great comparison video. Thanks for taking the time to do it.!
Thanks for watching
Hi Larry here I have them both, my personal belief is that little 17 HMR is a wicked round, have used it a lot, KEEP UP THE GOOD VIDEOS I LOVE WATCHING THEM
My experience, 17 is the pool for small critters, long range! It just doesn't seem to have enough penetration for raccoons or larger animals.
22mag here. I missed the 50grain game shock These were great on sml hog, coyotes, and NA River Otters. Hard to find. these but they do travel slower but the penetration is great.
Thanks Who for another great video! Love your down to earth tests! Just a suggestion if possible, why not try small caliber center fire rounds (e.g 17 Remington, 204 Ruger, 220 Swift all those rounds are pushing the 4000fps relm) and shoot from a 100 yards or less at that same target set up. That would cool to see the results and after do the clay tests to make some modern art. Thanks again brother looking forward to the next videos. Keep up the great work!! God bless ya!
That was a good video! Thanks!
Rim fire fan here WhoTee so i enjoyed this one a lot ! I love the MacGyver metal sheet stand !!! All three rounds pack a lot more punch than most folks realize !
So true
Love your tutorials. this demonstration was well executed and helpful thank you . Keep up the good work.!
Appreciate you watching!
That .17 has some “boogie”.
I’d love to see PCC’s or Henry’s shooting pistol rounds and the same test. 9mm, 45ACP, 38 spl, .357 mag, .44 spl, .44 mag, …….whatever you can “round” up. Some of us would love to get a rifle with the same ammo as a pistol. Maybe one rifle round at the end for comparison. Thanks WTW.
Loved my Remington 22mag semi auto. Dropped some fallow with it
So entertaining!! Your the best!!
Thanks for watching!
Cool video, I was leaning toward the 17HMR.
Fun to watch the battle of the rimfire!!
great job! thank you.
As always, a really fun video! Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
I wasn’t gonna guess cause I had no clue! Lol. I have and hmr and a 17wsm. I like them both. Don’t have a 22 mag yet. Great video! 👍🏻👍🏻
Nice rig you set up. I like it.
Almost twice as fast, not over twice as fast. Love the vids, hooty hoo
Thanks for watching!
Great video, WTW! I luv, luv, luv the 22 Mag!
Fun test............well organized. Thanks. Wonder how the 5.7 pistol would have done?
Great video thanks👍
Still like your "How many water jugs" the best but the plates are really cool.
I still like the 17 HMR because it has an edge on accuracy over the 22 Mag. For another test try the 20gr FMJ in the 17 HMR vs the 40 FMJ in the 22 Mag and lets see how they compare
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I would love to see same caliber different boo-lots, same plates. Just to see!!
Agreed.
They don't or ever won't compare, this XXXX tried to skew the test by shooting a hollow-point 17 against a FMJ, nice try but I call BullWinkle.
@@MrCobb-rq8iv 17 and 22mag were both JHP.
Love your video sir! Really interesting. Just curious about CCI Stinger ammo and your thoughts on its speed and accuracy as well as others opinions. I used to shoot that lots. Now I switched to Ely subsonic for fox squiirrels
I’ve shot several groundhogs at 165 and 135 yards with my Savage 17 HMR with bull barrel. On the other hand I like my Savage 22 mag for fox and coyote at closer rages or when breezy conditions. Both are good tools for the right job. Thanks, I enjoyed your comparison!
I would say 22LR because you can get them anywhere. Great video.
I’m a rimfire man 👍🏻👍🏻 This test was GREAT !!! Thank you so very much!! All the best from Alabama ✌️
Thanks for watching!
I guessed the 22 mag would win because I love my Henry 22 Mag lever action and it's actually my favorite rifle
Even the lowly 22 short will kill. I set up a similar test to yours with white pine 2x4's (nominal) with .22 short, .22Long Rifle, and .22 mag out of a North American Arms revolver (short barrel) and the short protruded just out of the first board and the 22 LR and .22 Mag were about the same through 4 boards. A brain or heart shot with any of these and "game over". Thanks for the test !
.22 mag is my go to but all of my small game shots are under 100 yards. Anything past that I would definitely go with the .17. Great video!
Not surprised by the outcome. Next time maybe try a 30 or 32gr bullet in 22 mag and and a 25 gr in 17. Closer weights. Good video Mr., thank you.
I picked up a Ruger 10/22M years ago at a pawn shop. Best used firearm purchase I've ever made.
I've never felt outgunned with a 22Mag.
Would love to see more .22lr comparisons like Punch vs Stinger vs GB or something like that. Cool setup, I love me some 22!
Thanks for the scientific explanation of bullet performance...
Neat video with results as expected. Wondering if different loads would be the same?
Still thinking you need to try 22TCM! I will continue to remind you about this under appreciated ammo!
Nice video! I would like to see the 22Mag with a 50 grain bullet and a 17HMR with the 20 grain for comparison.
Great video Hootey. How far was the muzzle from the first plate? It would be interesting to see how the three performed at rimfire ranges at say 50 - 70 yards. Thanks for sharing.
Like 5 yards
The live chat disappeared. Thank you for this video. I want a 17 or A 22 mag, so this will help me. I appreciate it.
Thanks for watching
Nice video. Id wish more pistol manufacturers would make a 17hmr auto pistol
Hey WTW ! This was a fun video for show ! Love the home made steal holder yep yep !
I'll stick with the 17HMR with a 20g fmj. Great video!
Yeah, and not Hollow point 17 hmr like 2 other 22 cal
Love that stuff! 😊
The only real bummer with a 17 is a windy day. I have a buddy that gave me some shells to sight in the new 17 he bought. I shot and hit to the right, adjusted and hit right again. I shot the magazine full and kept adjusting. Then I grabbed my 17 and shot, it hit right as well. Then the wind blew made my paper target fold over and my inside voice said "DUH"... I then went from the open gravel pit to a little draw with some brush and no wind. Zeroed in with no problem. I don't know how fast the wind was but it changed impact 3" at 25 yards.
out of these 3 the 17 HMR has the least wind drift though
3" at 25 yards, LOL, come on, be real! Were you shooting during the peak of a hurricane? A 40 grain .22LR will shift around 6" at 100 yards with a 10MPH cross wind. 3" at 25 yards for a 17HMR, please, LOL...stop lying...
@@irishkelly654yeah I thought the same thing, I have all three 17hmr, 22lr, as well as 22mag if he was getting a 3 in drift at 25 yards I would think the wind had to be blowing pretty hard and anybody with any experience with those three rounds would know thats not the time to sight in a rifle lol.
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Excellent video. Really perfect.
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Lets go. Love me sum rimfire showdown
Another good video. Thanks!
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Thanks for the share!!
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Very interesting video who tee who thank you sir
The 17 did much better than I expected, I love mine! Great video! I’m assuming the 17 bullet was fmj as the others explode
You just got a new subscriber hailing out of North Carolina brother 🎯
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I have been wanting to get a rimfire for a while. I think you talked me into it!
Before you get into rimfire, take a look at the latest modern pellet guns or known as air rifles out nowadays, close to as powerful as a rimfire 22 LR, cheaper to shoot and quiet, it is all that a person needs, with a scope.
Great job. Thank you 😊
Thanks for watching
Nice work !
Nice. Continue with these tests with pistol calibers. Metal sheets are more reliable than paper plates
I’m a big fan of the li’l ole .17HMR. Only have 1 gun chambered in/for it though and it’s a Taurus revolver and it’s a 6” barrel and the model 617 I believe it is?
But then I also like the .22 Win Mag. And who doesn’t like the .22LR?!
Great video and demonstration Hoot.
I was falling a sleep the first and second times watching this ( not video's fault ).
I had the same thoughts as some of the other commenters.
After I woke up I went back and rewatched a third time ( hope in some way it help with the analytics ).
Saw that both the 17 HMR and the 22 mag were JHP's I've always wondered about 22 mag.
Awesome idea on this comparison was going to suggest FMJ's compared but if memory serves me correctly no one makes a 17 FMJ in fact the 1 shot here is the closest to that....
Nice comparisons
Great video buddy
I'm a 17hmr guy and also love 22lr. But seeing your test shots I do like that 22 magnum. Seems to hit hard! A friend of mine loves his 22 mag and has it dialed in to take turtles at 40 or so yards and it does do very well. Thanks for showing your test shots and the stainless panels depth guage!😊
Great comparison WhoTeeWho. Could you do a video of 17 HMR vs 17WSM. That would be cool. Thanks
Wow WTW you have a lot more subscribers than you did last time I saw. Congrats on the success
Thanks for watching. I am working hard at it. New videos every day
The .22 mag wins hands down. Not only did it give more damage at the final plate it also gave a larger hole from begining to end. The .22mag is a very under rated cartridge in times past would be the only caliber rifle a household would have due to its versatility. Small game, predators, deer and even used for a slaughter gun for livestock. If anything more was needed the household usually had a shotgun of some type.
Another .22 cal. I would like to see you spend some time on is the .22 hornet. Many backwoodsmen here in my area loved this caliber as a go to for everything. Nowdays its kinda considered a novelty caliber but i still believe it hard to beat in the predator hunting game. Unbelievably Its also legal for deer in my home state.
22 mag. is a very well designed cartridge. It put several small centerfire rounds out of the varmint business. such as the 25-20 and 32-20 because the ammo and rifles are cheaper but still get the job done at short ranges.
Most people don't need or want .22 mag. Return on cost isn't good.
The 22 hornet is an old cartridge, I think it dates back to the 1880's also it's a center fire so it would out perform just about any rimfire. For being an old round it's very expensive. I knew a rancher in Oregon who like it, he said is good flat shooting round up to 200 yards, used mainly for coyotes, small game and non-game varmints on his land. Always kept the rifle in his ranch truck.
@@michaelmurphy6869 - that is the problem with the Hornet - cost and availability. That's why the 22 mag. put the small varmint centerfires out if business. Ammo and rifles are cheap, and it is good up to 150 yards for varmints which is plenty for most farmers, hunters, etc. Compare the cost of a 22 mag. rifle to a 22 Hornet, no contest.
17 takes it. It was only 17grains and did the same as the mag lol. I bet the 20grain 17 will go threw 5 plates
Good job thank you
If I ever go refrigerator hunting or any other stainless-steel appliance, I'll know which caliber to use but other than that what is your point?
Are the 17hmr and 22 mag available without the copper jacket, or is there a 22lr that has a copper jacket? The reason I ask is because its the jacket that allowed the rounds to carry further to some degree. So in this case the 22lr is already at a disadvantage specifically because its just lead, and as your video shows, breaks up quicker. Good video and a great way to compare rounds over all.
Thanks for an interesting and informative video.
The .22 magnum in 40 grain plastic nose hollow point is a very nasty rimfire cartridge from a carbine or rifle. It is much underrated.
Thanks for watching
That 17 fmj fragmenting is so cool. Someday ill get a .22 that isnt single shot, almost bought a .22 long Bernadelli pistol, but ill find something similar in italian origin
The 17 was a hollow point. I think if it was an FMJ it would have won. Same principle as the 243 and 25-06 piercing through steel easier than a 7mm or 30 cal.
The .17 hmr is my varmit cal . I use all 3 calibers a lot 😊
Me too crazy for rimfire
17wsm for myself myself. But it's good to see the difference of the ballistics I considered. I nearly went for the 22 magnum
Velocity matters. Fragmentation can make wounds much worse if penetration depth is sufficient.
How far was the barrel to the plates? I wished you had also used CCI Mini mag lr. loved the set up. good presentation.
Like 5 yds
Good video. Maybe next time you could test them out with the ballistic gel? STS is ok but the gel will give you real time performance per say.
great video!
Thanks!