22LR vs 22 MAGNUM self defense ammo ~ PUNCH 👊
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Federal PUNCH in .22 WMR and .22 lr shown side by side in a 10% gel block.
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Bruce here,Your videos are always appreciated here.I’m a 74 yr. Old husband married 51 years I have always believed that I am responsible for my brides safety I have a Tomcat pistol which I like but I really appreciate the reliability of a revolver. My hands have arthritis so a larger caliber is a no go.Your video answers some key questions I had about .22 long rifle for personal defense.Thank you. One thing I would like to see is how these smaller rounds handle a heavy jacket or even a car window/windshield.
Agree 😮
Good-controlled information. Didn't think any 22 LR could go toe to toe with the Magnum. It might be worth going with the LR for cheap ammo and load up Punch rounds for serious work, whereas with 22 Mag there is no cheap ammo.
It can't go toe to toe with, look at the difference in projectile weight. 50% more weight, same velocity. That's A LOT more powerful.
Plus, if there's a barrel over 3 inches the magnum will start pulling ahead massively, the "ballistics by the inch" website which is exactly what it sounds like, shows that the jump from 2 inches to 3 inches in barrel length, showing bullets of every weight gains ~200 fps from that one inch alone.
For .22 LR, 27 grain CCI from a 2 inch to 3 inch: 861 fps to 907 fps. Barely any increase compared to magnum.
I love .22 mag, such a fun and capable round.
No cheap.....I just got 50 rounds for 15 bucks....? Rural king
@@Nexy9 That's why my .22 WMR is 6.5", the extra length really helps.
@@Nexy9 same exact results. did you watch?
You're so good at what you do, Buffalo! A scientist and a cool, laid back country boy all in one. Always love your stuff! 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Thank yee~ I appreciate your comment!
Your closing needs to be shouted from every roof top in this once Great Country. Keep it up.
Rimfire ammunition has improved tremendously especially .22LR
I agree.
Hi
22LR good defense ??
What is the best 22LR ammunition for defense in 2024?
Which manufacturer makes a good Colt 1911 22lr model in 2024?
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Just wanted to say I appreciate the videos you put out Mr. Buffalo
Buffalo, I just came across this video. I would never have believed that a 22 LR out of a 2 inch revolver would do that much damage even going through clothing as well. I remember years ago, I'm 72 now, my dad told me when I was a 8 or 9 years old when he took me shooting with his 22 rifle to never forget the power of even a small cartridge like a 22. Thanks for your video's looking forward to seeing more of them.
Clearest gel on YT! Freedom is the greater good - love it.
The baby brother 22. Caliber is quite a tough guy 🤔🦸♂️💥
"Freedom IS the greater good". YES SIR !!
Love that quote.
It ABSOLUTELY is!
There is no freedom without obligations
The common American has been derelict of government duties for a very long time, and is purposely kept ignorant of what these duties are, and what understanding is required for these duties.
To prove the point, just ask the common coworker or individual off the street what their opinion of politics is, or ask them to demonstrate some general knowledge of political things, and you'd probably get one of two responses: scorn and despising attitude, or ignorance.
"Gubmint is for those people, not for me."
We are a Constitutional Representative Republic. How do we expect representatives to represent, when we never communicate with those representatives, much less know their names, or that the office exists? We can spend boat loads of time griping, moaning, whining, complaining, arguing, debating over why crap is the way it is, but we know almost nothing about our own system. Now just how do we expect to fix it? When a ship builder is nowhere to be found, the ship is sinking from damage, and everyone is running around the boat hollering at each other about mutiny, how is the boat going to stop sinking?
Thanks for doing this test. I thought it was amazing that the heavier 22wmr had almost identical penetration and the wound track being so similar was unexpected. That clear gel really helps seeing the results.
I didn't expect them to do so similar either!
That’s a real fluke. Should not be that way. Just more powder and more pressure. The difference is because the LR is pushing a 29gr bullet, and the WMR is pushing 45gr. I’d try something different than the Punch ammo. And with both pushing the same weight it will be a different story.
@@denmar355 the magnum is a hollow point, the long rifle is a solid.
High speed photography might show a larger temporary wound channel for the magnum. My thinking is maybe the long rifle lead bullet is a little harder than the low cost rounds. The fact that the magnum still expands after passing through two layers of denim is pretty impressive.
Both are very effective in short barreled handguns. A win win in my book.
Thanks alot for doing those expensive gel block tests. Good stuff.
I like both of them. I applaud the continued effort to improve the performance of rim fire cartridges. I use rim fires more than anything else, and these offerings give me two more excellent options. Thanks for the video.
I have the LCR in 22lr and was considering getting one in 22 WMR. I think I'll stick with the 8-round 22lr and spend the extra to get that Punch ammo. Thanks Buffalo!
Yes get the punch ammo! I bought for my wife and it works really well and it is effective towards attacker.
Hornady Varmint Express Rimfire .22 Magnum is also an excellent choice in the ballistic gel testing the trauma it causes it's pretty incredible for the size of the bullet it'll cause a significant wound
If you're using a 22 long rifle the philosoraptor rounds have 320 to foot-pounds and that's more foot pounds than some 9 millimeter or if you get the segmenting around those are pretty devastating as well because they split off into three different fragments upon impact causing three different wound cavities
@@TriggerHappy007 I think you mean a 22 magnum from a rifle is 300 plus????
Both are great rounds for their caliber. The 22wmr was Ava. for $19.99 but I think most has jumped $5 more. The 22wmr really flattens out hitting a more solid object. For defense Gold Dot might be slightly better depending on the firearm. Great comparison. Thanks for your time. 🇺🇸 👍 🙏
I do love Gold Dots. I've shot more of them than any other .22 magnum ammunition. Extremely reliable and very potent. I did a video of the Gold Dot vs PUNCH from a 3" barrel a little while back and in that test the PUNCH came out on top but both were great.
Great test. The results surprised me, as the 22lr held its own. I keep the 22lr in my LCR for just a quick throw it in my pocket trip to the store. I would have thought that the 22 mag would have done much better.
Hey Buffalo, thanks for sharing this tests! There're not only entertaining, but truly helpful! Thanks again brother!
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting. The two cartridges have different specs in every respect and yet in practice perform very similarly. Videos with the surprising unexpected results are always good!
That's a very good video both of those rounds Are pretty impressive coming out of those short barrels
They both impressed me for sure!
Thanks very much. Just what I've been looking for.
Awesome!
An eight shots .22 lr snub revolver is starting to become a serious concealed carry defense gun with that ammo. Let's see future developments of that caliber. No need to buy an equivalent six shots .22 magnum and in my opinion much less a five shots .38 special but I would still prefer by the moment a six shots .327 Federal Magnum over the rest.
Have some .22 WMR Punch coming in the morning. Great video, and I too was surprised at the penetration of the .22 LR. Have the LCRX in both 2" & 3" in .22 WMR and love em both. I'm very impressed at the quality of your videos and your easy going demeanor. All the best!!
That punch seems to be a decent little round. The 22lr decent performer. Definately is in both my lcr and lcpii. Great video!
Yeah I agree, Federal seems like they capitalized on the strengths of the little .22lr cartridge, the WMR too for that matter. Glad you enjoyed it!
Would be a good EDC self defence option for the elderly and others that can't handle a stiffer recoil.
Personally for the elderly I would recommend a 380 S&W Shield EZ. Has more punch than a 22, easy recoil, and coming out of a S&W Shield EZ its gonna be easy to rack that slide and reload the magazine
Everyone always claim it's for people who can't "handle" recoil, which is a common ignorant train of thought. The .22 wmr is also perfect for for who live in tropical climate where folks are either wearing a T-shirt or thin hula shirts. If I'm wearing my board shorts, my auto loader is pulling my shirt. s down where my .22 wmr is light enough. It's this gun shaming "can't handl e recoil" fudds do that keep folks from carrying the right tool for the job.
@Brooklyn1530 something to consider with elderly is limp wrist hold could cause a stove pipe and may not be quick enough due to age to clear it and back on target, 22lr snub nose seems like best option for older folk
I agree the long rifle performed much better than I thought it might.. well done Buffalo..
That's right! Freedom is the greater good! Thank you for the video Buffalo, If I had to choose between the two, I'd definitely pick the 22lr over the .22 wmr for one reason, the flat nose is going to penetrate deeper which in .22lr is a must
Different results from what I was expecting
Me too.
The .22 LR was used very effectively by assassins, especially silenced. They definitely are not toys.
Extremely concealable, and can save your bacon in a pinch.
That lil' Ruger LCR 22lr with Punch is my wife's EDC/Load combo. Even hides it in a Flashbang bra holster! Great video, Buffalo! 🥰🔫
Surprising results. Not my first choice for self defense but it is a potential. Better than a sharp stick. Thanks.
You are the best gun guy on this channel. Thanks for another good video.
Great one Buff! 👍😃✌️🇺🇸
Thanks!
Thanks again for all you do my friend. Hope you get to feeling better.
You create the best rimfire videos on RUclips. It would be interesting to see if the .22 WMR performance would improve out of a three inch barrel. Of course that gets into apples and oranges territory. Thanks for a very interesting video.
This is the second time I've watched this video and the .22 Punch long rifle ammo still impresses me. I carry a S&W 43C loaded with 8 rounds of Punch. I have considered getting a .22wmr revolver but looking at this test I don't see any advantage. Thanks again Buffalo for a great test.
Same. Beyond confident with my 43c loaded with punch. The amount of drill time I get for such an inexpensive cost is underrated.
I have a LCR in 22LR. I also have a S&W 351pd in .22wmr (like Buffalo's 351c, but with an exposed hammer). I was going to buy a 351c for my wife, but now, I think I'm going to ask her to try both. I think she'll like the LCR better and I'll feel better that she will be well armed. Can't go wrong with either; however, I've just bought 2,000 rounds of Federal Punch in 22LR!!!
The real advantage with the 22 mag is about 50% more energy
St19 I don’t understand. It seems all that matters is the penetration performance. Depth, wound track width. Could be argued the 22lr is a tad better, in these super short barrels. What effect would energy have, maybe a mental one? If the BG is super stoked, then maybe not.
Hello there Mr. Buffalo Bob, I've watched a few of your videos' and absolutely love this one. I am 63 and in good shape. I hit the gym 3 days a week and do not look or feel 63. The point is that regardless of the lack of strength or the ability to handle larger caliber I love the 22lr. I have 3. I do have a 9mm and a .380 but my all time favorite is and EDC is the Ruger LCR and the Ruger LCP. I can shoot fast, accurate and with nearly no recoil feel very confident I have the ability to stop or to change the mind set of pretty much any conviction that may come my way. I'm not in law enforcement so I am not putting myself into drug houses, chasing gangs or any high risk situations like that. I love watching videos like your because 22lr and Mag are not what they used to be or what the Big ego truck drivers that look down on 22lr carrying. Keep up with these great videos.
Joe
Great vid ! I’m in the 22 club because I was given one and it’s my protection as well. I doubted it at first, but after putting the magnum cylinder in it, I love the mag rounds. CCI Maxi’s are amazingly devastating I fully trust it 👍🇺🇸
Great video my friend. I have been interested in the federal punch in 22lr for a while now and no one really does anything with them. The ballistic gel test was awesome.
My suggestion sir would be to apply this knowledge to some solid targets. Maybe use these rounds against pumpkins or eggplant due to their density. Make sure to do up close and personal distance to see the actual energy the federal punch 22lr puts out.
My problem is that everyone talks down on the 22lr & 22 mag simply because their small. I think their a fantastic round.
well looks like we need a cci vs punch LR test
I agree
That was surprising. The .22lr did very well indeed. I will have to pick up both kinds. Thanks for testing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I couldn't wait for morning to watch this one. Great stuff, as always. Hope you get to feeling better soon.
I love the tests in ballistics gel, gives the best true picture of the ammo results!
Great comparison Buffalo, I have had good consistent luck so far with the punch ammo. I really like it, and federal has done a great job at creating a new self-defense line of ammo
Thanks buddy! Yeah it looks like they done their research and development on these!
@@buffalosoutdoors they have had some really good ammo come out lately. Good to see the market isn’t getting stale!
Good comparison and test. Been keeping my eye out for some for my north American 22 mag
Excellent presentation.
Thanks for coming out to test when your sinuses are in revolt. Those are two very pretty cartridges! I was considering buying a Ruger LCRx in .22 22Magnum, but this .22 LR is very impressive! At the comparative cots of the ammunitions, the .22 LR version might be the way to go. Thanks again.
If you go the .22 WMR route, Federal make a 50 grain that has a nice (no pun intended) punch. I've shot a lot of those with excellent results.
@Frank Hinkle, you don't have to choose, just get both.
@@corysather6640 That occured to me.if I could find either I'd buy it.
Thank you for sharing. I'm equally surprised by how close the results are.
Thanks for the demo!! I've been curious about these since I saw a brick of them at dunham's, will have to try through a variety of 22 pistols and rifles myself.
They are definitely worth taking a look at. THanks!
Excellent discovery! Thanks for this great video. Greetings from Ottawa. I wish you a quick recovery, too.
Thank you very much! Hello from Kentucky!
two great little guns and interesting results.
Thanks!
Keep the 22 mag videos coming! Love my 351c all modded out and it’s my carry gun out here in hot California.
Again, thank you for helping us out.
Very good information.
I too was surprised by the actual velocities and penetration depths, especially the 22lr.
The expanded hollow point and penetration depth of that 22WMR is impressive too. Good work by Federal AND you sir. Thank you!
Thanks for a great video. I would never have thought they would be so close.
It surprised me too.
I am digging 22 WMR these days.
The Keltec PMR 30 is my main 22 WMR gun but there are others.
It's an interesting round.
Sort of like 22lr rifle ballistics out of a snub nose.
I think the 22 WMR needs a longer barrel for it to shine.
I just picked up a Walther WMP so you will see that on the channel soon. I am digging 22 WMR too!
@@buffalosoutdoors i got the Keltec instead of the Walther. But then spent $249 on an M*Carbo upgrade for the PMR.
Sometimes I wonder about my decisions!
@@Iceaxehikes Ain't nothing wrong with your decisions! That sounds pretty awesome to me.
Excellent video and surprising result, thank you very much.
I like very much .22 mag but in rifles ;) (I have a winchester 9422M)
Same wound cavity with both. I will take the 22lr at a much less expensive price. 22lr is actually a better defensive round. I've seen a lot of videos showing the 22lr being more impressive than the 22mag. But this isn't the same round. The 22 mag is a hollow point. The round and flat nose bullets are superior to hollows as far as penetration for any 22 caliber gun. If you use 22lr or mag for self defense always go with the flat or round nose. Hollow point 22 bullets are not going to penetrate enough.
Enjoyed your video! That was amazing. I would like to see both of those rounds in 20 inch rifle barrels!
Hmmmm.... I'll see what I can come up with!
I'd be interested to see anything 16"+.
That was a great test. My pistol 22lr is loaded with punch.
Awesome! And glad you enjoyed it!
That’s awesome in the gel block - never expected that!
Great stuff buddy! 🙌🏻. Keep having fun. 👍🏻
I loved that comparison and like you, was surprised at the 22lr Punch performance. I think it would be very interesting to see the CCI 22 mag with the full metal case bullet compared to either the LR or Mag Federal Punch with the same short barrel revolver.
Nice video. I wouldn't be afraid to carry either of those rounds for a backup or even a primary when called for.
Thanks for the video. If you still have your 3” Ruger’s that would be an interesting comparison. Thanks again.
Very surprised with these results! The LR is plenty stout! Whoda' thunk it!
Wow 5:40 looks like a piece of art!
thanks bo love the 22lr punch always performes great
Welcome! Glad you liked it!
Buffalo always provides good information in his videos! Thank you so much!
this ammo does better than you'd expect
.22 ammo has came a long way! Would like to see what they do out of rifles..
I have been impressed with the Punch 22lr for sometime. I know 22lr not much for carry but my wife's arthritis is bad. And she runs this in her MP 22 compact and does great. So cool to see in jell block
They've come a long way with rimfire ammunition. This PUNCH stuff is proof. Thanks Scott.
Excellent comparison/evaluation/review of two very interesting .22 rimfire cartridges, Buff! Many thanks for your videos and for the banjo music that closes them out!
CCI is abundant in my state. I've never seen Punch. Anything is better than throwing a rock.
Man after seeing this test I don't see any need for me to buy magnum punch rds in my convertible Uberti revolver......That 22 lr Punch did an amazing job and that wound channel was absolutely amazing.
.22WMR in my mind is superior in most ways. From hunting to self defense, a .22WMR can kill the same game and larger game than the .22LR without ruining much more meat. Out of a rifle or even a 4in revolver it is night and day differences. The cost holds it down more than anything but I have noticed .22WMR experiencing more of a revival post Covid due to its availability while .22LR flew off the shelves, arguably the same reason .350 Legend got so popular so fast. Either way you can’t go wrong with either, or just be like me or Buffalo and have one of each, the .22WMR can be more of a carry gun while the .22LR can be more for practice.
In my mind, the 22lr performed better than I expected. Obviously, a 22lr is not 44Mag but it’ll work better than nothing! Great video, thanks for sharing!
Those first two shots looked like they could have come out of the same box. Thanks for another first rate video.
Thanks Buffalo, good information to know. HAPPY NEW YEAR! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Both rounds impress but the 22 magnum has superior energy which is expected. I like how it expanded and combined with more weight. Punch makes the 22 round viable.
Thanks for the good work Buffalo. Based on your test results, I have just bought two 2nd hand pistols in cal. 22lr, an ERMA pocket Pistole in the size of a Walther TP, and a Baikal Margolin for target shooting...25 and 50 meter distance shooting 🌠
You sure are delivering to us the best kind of much needed info!
Thank you! Glad you like it!
It’s crazy how much these results change when you use a longer barreled revolver
Excellent demonstration.I've yet to hear anything negative about the Federal Punch rimfire ammo.
I think out of anyone on RUclips, you can do a 25 yard shot into a gel block. Ret from demonstrated concepts did a longer range test on these and I'm curious if you get the same results.
Great video as always! Thanks for the test.
That would be interesting! I only have time for so many videos but I will consider it!
@@buffalosoutdoors appreciate any video you do anyway. Keep up the good work!
Can’t find the punch 22WMR anywhere but the 22 punch is plentiful here in upstate SC.
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It comes in stock here but goes fast. If I don't get it right after it's stocked it's gone.
Great video Buffalo! Been wondering about this ammo.
I would LOVE a SW 43c, sounds like so much fun!
Thanks for the great information. I would not have guessed that their performance would have been so close.
Good test. It’s hard to beat the punch either 22 LR or 22 magnum. Both have good performance. Thanks for the video.
Thanks, I'll stick with the Punch LR !
Welcome!
That's an awesome .22lr round. I am surprised the heavier magnum bullet didn't penetrate farther than the lr round.
On thing to note, some 22 chambers won't accept the stinger length case. That may add a point to the magnum in my book. Both good rounds and a very well put together test.
Thanks Buffalo!!!
Wow great comparisons! Way to go Federal Punch!!Thank you for your informative videos.
What ever happened with the rock island 22 magnum revolver that you were having issues with since we are talking about 22s?
Update video coming soon. It's kind of a long story. Bottom line is it's working good now.
Awsome😊
I'll definitely be looking forward to the update on the magnum RIA Buffalo.
Great insight and info. Thank you Buff!
Great Vid. For your throat: Try an ounce of bourbon, mixed with an ounce of warm honey, and a good squirt of lemon juice. Repeat as necessary.
Looks like the punch ammo line is a good one ! I picked up a couple boxes in 40 s&w...still don't have a 22... Thanks for the test.
awesome video like always Buffalo, keep them coming
Great comparison video, Buffalo. I never would have predicted the results you got either! Went out, located and bought 12 boxes of .22 punch .22 LR today. The jury is still out concerning the .22 WMR punch ammunition. With gel block results being so similar, it’s hard to justify spending 60-65% per round more for WMR.
Nice shooting and great review of these two rounds. With these results, no need for a 22magnum as I have several .22lr revolvers already. I have bought several boxes of the .22lr Punch! Thanks for making this video.
How does the .22 LR Punch compare to the CCI Stinger? My High Standard .22 LR holds 9. Shoots "low noise" ammo too.
I enjoy your videos, very helpful